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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 1: back with you and Buck. I say, we don't mess around.

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Speaker 1: Let's just bring in our good buddy right now. We

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Speaker 1: always love it when Bruce Feldman from Fox get a

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Speaker 1: it's not. It's actually worked out that way. Most of

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Speaker 1: I think the frustrating thing and watching it play out

430
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Speaker 1: with the Rickie quarterbacks has been you're having a lot

431
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Speaker 1: of quarterbacks who have not played a lot of games. Yeah,

432
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Speaker 1: we're asking them to do very complex stuff at the

433
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Speaker 1: NFL level instead of meeting them halfway. I think if anything.

434
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Speaker 1: This conversation suggests that at least the first year, you

435
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 1: should try and have a blend of whatever they've done

436
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,920
Speaker 1: and mix it in with what you eventually want to do.

437
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Speaker 1: But you have to get them comfortable because I'm looking

438
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Speaker 1: at Sam Donald now in Carolina versus to Sam Donald

439
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Speaker 1: that we saw with the Jets, and it's night and day.

440
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Speaker 1: But some of the things that I'm seeing them doing

441
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Speaker 1: Carolina or what he did at USC and so I

442
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:25,200
Speaker 1: just don't understand why there's such a reluctance to meet

443
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Speaker 1: these young quarterbacks halfway when Bruce, you see them guys

444
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,639
Speaker 1: melt down in Elite eleven, you know, when we started

445
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 1: asking them to other stuff. So if you just think

446
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,360
Speaker 1: about it, I just don't understand the reluctance at all

447
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 1: levels to try and meet the quarterbacks where they are. Bucky,

448
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 1: you played in the NFL, So I'm gonna defer to

449
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 1: you on this and entirely, But like, don't you think

450
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot of coaches that are they're they're not

451
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Speaker 1: very umpliable, Like I think it's like I think that's

452
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Speaker 1: where you're up against, is there aren't a lot of

453
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Speaker 1: coaches who are willing to try stuff that's really out

454
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Speaker 1: of their comfort zone. If it's really out of their

455
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 1: comfort zone, you know, Like I'm glad, you know, Kyler

456
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Speaker 1: Murray gets to play for Cliff Kingsbury, but there was

457
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Speaker 1: a lot of other coaches who would want nothing to

458
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Speaker 1: do with some of that stuff. Like again, this is

459
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Speaker 1: not to too like I love Patrick Molomes, is not

460
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Speaker 1: a negative on him. Patrick Mahomes went to the guy

461
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Speaker 1: who would be you know, Patrick Mahomes went to like

462
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Speaker 1: the rest of the teams. I don't know if Patrick

463
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 1: Mahomes is a pro bowler. I'm not even sure if

464
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 1: he's a hard for them, because they would try to

465
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Speaker 1: do stuff with him that just wouldn't play to him.

466
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Speaker 1: So I just think it's I feel like that's more

467
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Speaker 1: of a coaching thing as much as it is anything else.

468
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: And I think there's probably people listening right here who

469
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Speaker 1: are throwing stuff against the wall thinking that's blasphemous that

470
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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, because of his talent, his transcendent talent, could

471
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Speaker 1: have gone to any of the thirty two teams and

472
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Speaker 1: he would have emerged this unbelievable superstar player. It's just

473
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Speaker 1: that's where you see now, that is not where he

474
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Speaker 1: was coming into the draft process. He went to the

475
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Speaker 1: right place. He sat for a year, and he had

476
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Speaker 1: Andy Reid who built this thing around him and allowed

477
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: this incredible ability. This kid has to to shine through

478
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Speaker 1: and he is a mega superstar, best player in the league.

479
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Speaker 1: But I do I'm with you, Bruce. I agree, and

480
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Speaker 1: I think, uh, some people want to agree with us

481
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Speaker 1: on that, but I firmly agree that that is a

482
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Speaker 1: big result was where he went and how that all

483
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Speaker 1: came together. Buck. I want to get you on this

484
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Speaker 1: real quick because you're mentioned about uh, we're talking about

485
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Speaker 1: Sam Donald. So these are the these next gen stats.

486
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Speaker 1: We just got this packet this morning. I was coming

487
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Speaker 1: through it. Uh, so I thought, both of you guys

488
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 1: are gonna kick out of this. So Sam Donald, think

489
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Speaker 1: about this versus four or fewer rushers, right, So no

490
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Speaker 1: pressure they're only rushing for his time with the Jets

491
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: versus his time with the Panthers. Obviously brief here with

492
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Speaker 1: the two games, the pressure rate with the Jets when

493
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Speaker 1: they were only rushing four was thirty point four percent.

494
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Speaker 1: With the Panthers it's twelve point eight percent. Like look

495
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Speaker 1: at how stark a difference that is that's massive his

496
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: completion percentage goes from sixty two to sixty eight, yards

497
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Speaker 1: per attempt, from six point eight to eight point four.

498
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Speaker 1: Thirty three touchdowns, thirty picks with the Jets, three touchdowns,

499
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Speaker 1: no picks with the Panthers. Obviously it's a small sample size,

500
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 1: but it's amazing how much better you get at playing

501
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Speaker 1: quarterback when you don't have bodies in your face with

502
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: the freaking seven guys back in coverage. It really is,

503
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Speaker 1: like DJ, I think it's one of those things that

504
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: we talked about, and I think it's really applicable when

505
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Speaker 1: we begin to talk about some of these college quarterbacks.

506
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Speaker 1: I believe, Man, the stuff around the quarterback matters more

507
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Speaker 1: than what some of the quarterback. The stuff that the

508
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Speaker 1: quarterback has. Man, we talked about it, what protection, play caller, playmakers.

509
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Speaker 1: When you surround those guys with the three p's, you

510
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Speaker 1: see them play differently. And so in Sam Donald's case, Man,

511
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Speaker 1: even if you're skeptical him coming out of New York,

512
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: it now clearly looks like, uh, that wasn't a player issue.

513
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Speaker 1: That's a help. You need some help right front, the

514
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: front office issue, because you didn't you invested all that

515
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Speaker 1: money in the quarterback, and yet there was McKay backed in.

516
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 1: They did obviously draft, but it wasn't like, you know,

517
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Speaker 1: are you signing free agents who you think can help

518
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Speaker 1: him or are you just setting him up to fail?

519
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Speaker 1: And Ladder, Yeah, it was percent. We we've even said

520
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Speaker 1: like there was an upgrade and all three of those

521
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Speaker 1: pis when you went from the Jets to the Panthers.

522
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Speaker 1: Now I still and and you know, let's let Zach

523
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Speaker 1: Wilson get his legs underneath him and see what he's

524
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Speaker 1: gonna become. I think it was from a timing standpoint,

525
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Speaker 1: it makes sense for the Jets to push the reset

526
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Speaker 1: button and try and give Zach Wilson what you couldn't

527
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Speaker 1: give Sam Donald while you still have all that you know,

528
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Speaker 1: these five years on this rookie contract, to try and

529
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Speaker 1: build up an offensive line that still needs a lot

530
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Speaker 1: of help. Um. So it'll be interesting to see how

531
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Speaker 1: that goes. I wanted we touched on the USC thing, Bruce.

532
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Speaker 1: I want to delve into that a little bit more

533
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: and kind of connected. We're just talking about with Sam

534
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Speaker 1: what we can go through the different candidates, and you've

535
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Speaker 1: written about this on the Athletic everybody should check it out.

536
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Speaker 1: Bruce list lays out all the candidates who he believes

537
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Speaker 1: are the top candidates for this job. To me, they

538
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Speaker 1: promote Dante Williams to the interim head coach. They had

539
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Speaker 1: a big win, they go on the road beat Washington State.

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Speaker 1: He's out of reputation as the is an elite recruiter,

541
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Speaker 1: probably nationally, right, Bruce, because you have a national refu Yeah, yeah,

542
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: there you go. So he's got those ties there. To me,

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Speaker 1: it almost kind of makes sense if you say, Okay,

544
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Speaker 1: he's gonna be the one carry over from this current

545
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Speaker 1: staff to the next one. Allows him to kind of

546
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Speaker 1: keep recruiting through this this whole year, and he could

547
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Speaker 1: you know, if he's given a guarantee by the administration

548
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Speaker 1: that he's going to be around, he can sell that

549
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: to the kids. But then if you married him up

550
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: just from the recruiting standpoint as a tie in, then

551
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: just go get you know, California. We see these quarterbacks,

552
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: mean Bucky talk about every week all these Southern California

553
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: quarterbacks playing all over the SEC, the Big Ten. They're everywhere.

554
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: So go get somebody that can that can put in

555
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: the mind of the quarterback who if it's at modern

556
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: day or Bosco wherever the hot shot quarterback is that

557
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: I can't turn down USC. This is too good to

558
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Speaker 1: turn down. And I think that almost has to be

559
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Speaker 1: some way that can develop that that quarterback position. So

560
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: if you had a Joe Brady as a head coach,

561
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Speaker 1: but then you surrounded him with some you know, recruiters

562
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Speaker 1: and experienced guys. I was intrigued by that by that option.

563
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: So two things on Joe Brady that I don't want

564
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: to throw water too much on that idea. But one,

565
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how much Joe wants to recruit and

566
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: to be a college coach. Um, Like he did it

567
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: for one year and he didn't really even make it

568
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: to the signing day basically, I mean he didn't. He

569
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: didn't you know they had then, but he was gone

570
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: right after the National title game. Two, we're just talking

571
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Speaker 1: about what Sam Donald and the Panthers are doing right now.

572
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: Joe Brady is may not be that far away from

573
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: interviewing for an NFL head coaching job. He interviewed last year. Yeah,

574
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: I mean, like in getting one right, especially if like

575
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Speaker 1: if the Panthers go ten and six or something, which

576
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like it's that far fetched seven Bruce, So yeah,

577
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: a new math now, that's right. So yeah, they go

578
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: eleven and six. Um, then he could probably get a

579
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Speaker 1: head coaching job at whatever he is thirty two now. UM.

580
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: I think if you were to ask Joe Brady um

581
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Speaker 1: offline and say, hey, which would you rather be an

582
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: NFL head coach or have a big, big job on

583
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: the West Coast is head coach at USC. I don't

584
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: think Joe Brady grew up thinking I want to be

585
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: the next Pete Carroll and coach at US. I don't

586
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: think he's that's I don't think that's him, especially when

587
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: he could get either this year or next year. The

588
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: way things are going, he could get an NFL head

589
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: coaching job. I think, Remember, this is a guy who, yes,

590
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: he did spend time on James Franklin staff, around Joe

591
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: moorehead at Penn State, and he did spend that time

592
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,479
Speaker 1: on the national title team with l s U. But

593
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: he also spent time around Drew Brees and and Sean

594
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: Payton and you know Pete carmichae on those guys with

595
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: the Saints, and I think that was a big deal

596
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: for him, and so I suspect the next time, Joe,

597
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: when Joe Brady becomes a head coach, is gonna be

598
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: an NFL not. It also has Matt Rule right there,

599
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: who he could ask walked down the hall and say, hey,

600
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: you've done both, what's better? And I'm sure knowing Matt,

601
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: he'd probably tell him this is I'd rather spend my

602
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: time coaching Bald than recruiting. So yeah, through a lot

603
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: of you didn't just throw some water on that, you

604
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Speaker 1: freaking doust it. Well, listen, I like some of the

605
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: NFL names on some sense, you know, makes you know,

606
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: are intriguing. But you know, I talked to a lot

607
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: of coaches who have either been in you know, been

608
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: in college and then went to the NFL, and the

609
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: thing that they have the hardest time with is recruiting

610
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: is all consuming right and by the way, and I

611
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: don't know if they get this part of it, but

612
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: you co coach the USC, you're gonna have to go

613
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: compete against Mario Cristo Baal, who is basically like at

614
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: Osan on two point oh, where he's the head coach

615
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: who is obsessed with recruiting. Most type are can be

616
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: good recruiters, they're not obsessed with it are Crysta Ball

617
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: is obsessed with it, and that's what you're gonna have

618
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: to compete against. And I'm not saying that's all you're

619
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Speaker 1: gonna have to compete against, because right now, everybody comes

620
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Speaker 1: into southern California to you know, whether it's Dabbo now

621
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Speaker 1: is coming in one, was Clemson in here like years ago? No?

622
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Speaker 1: Um Ohio. You know l s U got Eli Rix

623
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Speaker 1: out of here. Certainly Nick Saban has you know, has

624
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: gotten at least out of California. He's got some really

625
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: good players and so and sark is gonna come out

626
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: here now right because these AREUS of Texas, Lincoln Riley's

627
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: gotten players. So it's just I think if you are not,

628
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Speaker 1: if you don't really get recruiting, like I think on

629
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: the part where where Chris Peterson kind of nailed it

630
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: was you do have to you know, like you have

631
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,239
Speaker 1: to want to battle on that you can't that's not

632
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: who you are. Um, you're gonna come up empty. Because

633
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Speaker 1: I know I have a story that I'm doing the

634
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: for the athletic that that's gonna come out in a

635
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: couple of days on kind of how USC lost its way,

636
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: And I've talked to a lot of guys who coached there. Uh.

637
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Speaker 1: And one of the things that's come up was just

638
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: Clay Hilton just really was not able to close. And

639
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: when he could not go head to head, you know,

640
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: you can set up if you're on his staff, you

641
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: can say, hey, we're setting up a home visit for

642
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: the head coach. And if he comes in there right

643
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: after urban Meyer came in there, that's not a fair fight. No,

644
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: it's not a fair fight. It's like you're going it's

645
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: like you're going to a gunfight with a with a

646
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,959
Speaker 1: plastic you time soul. You know that just that really

647
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: undermine that program. And so and I could writle off

648
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: a lot of names after we get off and say, hey,

649
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: this guy was a four star and this guy's a

650
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: five star. And I know you guys both follow recruiting

651
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, I forgot about that. That's a

652
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: real bad evaluation. But because they because they committed to USC,

653
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: they became a four star guy. Um. And so that's

654
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: the that's the conundrum with this job, right and so,

655
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: I it's not just Joe Brady. I just think there's

656
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of NFL names that get thrown

657
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: out that are probably non starters realistically. You know. Um,

658
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: it's funny because in listening to DJ's idea you can

659
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: have a lot of pushback from those who are pegged

660
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: as recruiters. Is yeah, I don't want to just stay

661
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: on staff as the major recruit without getting the nibble.

662
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: How um plausible is it for Dante Williams to stay

663
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: around if he doesn't get the hit job? Well, two things.

664
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: It's my understanding Dante Williams has like a three year

665
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: deal and I think it's close to a million dollars

666
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: a year. So if Dante Williams gets an associate head

667
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: coach title with it, um, and you're saying just to

668
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: stay on as an assistant, not to keep the job. Um.

669
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: I think the challenge is going to be whoever takes

670
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: over has got to I don't say they gotta be convinced,

671
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: but like you don't want to be dictated who's going

672
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: to be on your staff all the way either. So

673
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: most of the guys I think will consider the job.

674
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: I don't think they're West unless it's christ of Ball himself.

675
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: I think most of the guys would be guys either

676
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: from the Midwest or like I look at James Franklin.

677
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: I'm like that would make a lot of sense there. Um,

678
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: I know Penn State fans hey when I say something

679
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: like that, But Penn State it's a really good job.

680
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: US is an even better job. There's just way more

681
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: talent in your two hour drive from there, and there

682
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: is no Ohio State in the pact twelfth South. You

683
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: are set up to win big if you are James

684
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: Franklin or if you're Matt Campbell or Luke Fickle. Um,

685
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: you need guys who know the PAC twelve, you know,

686
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: and so I think that you know, Dante Williams the

687
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: one the probably the best thing I think you can

688
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: say about him is they were really reeling and recruiting

689
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: me because Clay Helton had been on the hot seat

690
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: for three years. One thing Dante Williams did really good

691
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: job of was he cultivated relationships with key people, especially

692
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: in southern California. But I'm a West Coast and I

693
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: think that makes him a big asset to them. You know,

694
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: it's not like they're very good on defense, but he's

695
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: not the defensive coordinator either, So I can see him

696
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: being you know, the current USC administration pushing for him

697
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: to stay on because I know they really value what

698
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: he brings, so go ahead. You brought up guys in

699
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: the names that you brought up, James Franklin and met

700
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: Uh Campbell and Luke Fickle, all Midwestern guys, Like do

701
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: you believe that it's a drastic change to go from

702
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: coaching in the Midwest to coaching on the West Coast

703
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: and what they want to embrace this celebrity it comes

704
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: along with being USC's coach. I think that's the interesting

705
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: dynamic of all this because you talked to and I

706
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: work with two former USC stars and Matt Leonet Reggie Bush.

707
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: You talked to a lot of people who've been out here,

708
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: and they think one of the things that was key

709
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: to Pete Pete Carroll was Pete Carroll got the locker room,

710
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: but he also got the city and got the celebrity

711
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: aspect of it and embraced it and used it to

712
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: his advantage. It's a kind of a thorny thing, though,

713
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: because you can also go chase the wrong thing and

714
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: you end up there's a lot of parallels between Texas

715
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: and USC soft. You know, kind of players not accountable,

716
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 1: caught up in the wrong things, and so I think

717
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: that is the tricky part. Now, Now, if you're Matt

718
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: Campbell and Luke Fickle, I don't think from what I know,

719
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 1: and I know Matt Campbell better Luke Fickle, but those guys,

720
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: I don't think they can if if they were to

721
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: take job, and I don't think that Luke Fickle is

722
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 1: probably gonna consider it that much. I'd be surprised. He's

723
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: got six kids. I think everything I've heard is he's

724
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: so midway. Matt Campbell, I think might be more intrigued

725
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: because I don't know how much further he could take

726
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: the Iowa State program. But if you come out here,

727
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: I don't think and he takes a job, and I

728
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: don't think he would do this either. But you can't

729
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: try to become something you are not because people will

730
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: see through it. I think Clay Hilton, to his credit,

731
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 1: never tried to be Hollywood. I don't think, um, James Franklin.

732
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's Hollywood, but James Franklin, you guys

733
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: have been around him and probably yeah, and he has.

734
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: He has a presence to him that's a little different.

735
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: He's also coached, you know, he's coached in the conference.

736
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: He was on Mike Zimmers staff a long time ago

737
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: at Washington State. UM, I could see James Franklin out

738
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: here more. I can see him kind of connecting with that.

739
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: Of all the candidates who I think are realistic fits,

740
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: he is the one guy to say he feels a

741
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: little more like he's I'm not saying he would go

742
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: Hollywood and kind of run it like Pete Carroll did,

743
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: but there is a little more of a connection to

744
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: it with him than I think the other guys who

745
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: USC will rule. Seriously consider well, when you talked about

746
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: the home visit being able to close, and you talked

747
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: about having kind of that charisma and personality, and James

748
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 1: Franklin was the first name that I thought of. Mario

749
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: Cristo Ball comes in there on Friday night and James

750
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: Franklin comes in there Saturday night. I think that's a

751
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: that's not a that's not a plastic utensil at that

752
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: point in time. From a closing standpoint, here's one that

753
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: we've heard banned about a little bit, which I another

754
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: guy who I think has NFL opportunities if he wants it.

755
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 1: But do you think with with Oklahoma. I know everybody

756
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: looks at it is this great thing that they're going

757
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 1: to the SEC. I don't necessarily share that opinion. Um,

758
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: they go from pretty much walking into the college football

759
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: Playoff every year too, now you're you've got four or

760
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: five teams with as much or more resources than you

761
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: do and a better recruiting base than you have. Is

762
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: that Does that change the thinking at all that that

763
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley would maybe can sit or if it's not

764
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: USC the NFL, that you can see him move on.

765
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: I think it's more his next move, and I don't

766
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: know when it would come, would be to the NFL.

767
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 1: I don't think he's pretty close to competing for having

768
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: a shot at really winning a national title now, and

769
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: it's taken him a while too. You know, he got

770
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: the right defensive coordinator in there. I think he's got

771
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: a lot of other pieces there, by the way, and

772
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: this is not this I think is an an under

773
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: scored point. He worked for the best a D in

774
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: college athletics and jokes stilly one. There's a lot of

775
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: skepticism about you know, Mike Bone. Mike Bone for those

776
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: who don't know, is the USC the U s C

777
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: A D. He made a really good Hir at Cincinnati

778
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 1: with Luke Fickle. He made some really questionable hires when

779
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 1: he was the a D at Colorado. I think there

780
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: are some coaches out there who aren't sure what to

781
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: make of Mike Bone. And I think you know, if

782
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 1: you're Lincoln Riley and you are basically at the top

783
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: of the food chainer right there, I think you care

784
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: about who your A D is a lot because you

785
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: know the partnership there, and so I just think you

786
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: know everything. You don't know the SEC because you know,

787
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: look when he you know, I was on the at

788
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: the UH the Mercedes Benz Stadium in Atlanta where l

789
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: s you could have beat him by seventy points in

790
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: the semifinal game. Like you've seen some SEC teams and

791
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: you know, like just they hung with Georgia when they

792
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: had Baker at the Rose Bowl. But there's been some

793
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,959
Speaker 1: other things that have not been good. So the SEC

794
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: is going to be a different kind of challenge. I

795
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 1: agree with you, but you still to win a national title,

796
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to go through those teams at some point.

797
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: You either have to go through them in November or

798
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: you gotta go through him in January. And I just

799
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: think that USC is not going to be built to

800
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: go jump in and win a national title right away.

801
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: I mean, somebody could take him over and probably be

802
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: a top ten team, I think, but to actually beat

803
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: these other teams, you do not have the infrastructure. You

804
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: do not have the lineman, you do not have the

805
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: defensive players, You definitely don't have the offensive lineman. You

806
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 1: don't have a special you know, like a special running back.

807
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: So um, there's just a lot that needs to be added,

808
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 1: and I think that's gonna take time. So I don't

809
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: think he's a I don't think he's a real candidate.

810
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: So so here here's my last question for me on

811
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: this with the USC thing. From my rule standpoint, I

812
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: was curious, we have kind of the free transfer rule.

813
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,919
Speaker 1: Is that going Is that the case going forward? Are

814
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: you allowed to so you're gonna get that free don't

815
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: have to sit out of your transfer? Is that what

816
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: it will be for next year? Yeah? But you also

817
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: you have a one time transfer exemption, so it's not

818
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: like if a kid jumped, he can't keep doing it.

819
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: But you still got a manager roster to some degree.

820
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 1: It's not like it's gonna be massive free agency, and

821
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: there's some of this legislation that's going to come through

822
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: that may give you some of the flexibility, but I

823
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't expect like like we've seen, USC has taking a

824
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: ton of transfers now, I mean, yeah, but Bruce, you

825
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: guys put out I mean the athletic put out the

826
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: top one transfers, and I combed through that thing, and

827
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: I was looking at different teams in USC had twelve transfers,

828
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: and I think the highest rated one on that list

829
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 1: was in the forties. Why. Question is, if we've talked

830
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: about all this talent from southern California that's been farmed

831
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: out all over the country, if you hired the right coach,

832
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: all these kids know each other, crap, half of them

833
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: played together at either Modern Day or Bosco, and say, okay,

834
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: now they've got the coach at USC, we all have

835
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: a free time transfer. We can all come back together.

836
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: To me, it just seems like where you'd have to

837
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: build up three recruiting classes and wait for those kids

838
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: to get older and stronger to turn a program around.

839
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: Has it ever been easier to have a quick, fixed turnaround,

840
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: That's my question. Probably not. I mean, one of the

841
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: guys we had really high on that transfer list was

842
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker, who was running back at Wake Forest and

843
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: now is at Michigan State. And the guys I know

844
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: on that staff were like raving about him and we're

845
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: three ends in the season. He's I'm not saying he's

846
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: gonna win the highest, but he is killing it for them,

847
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: and like the guy I know on that staff like,

848
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: you gotta see this guy. And I was like, it's

849
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: interesting because like a year ago, everybody talked about the

850
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: quarterback going to Georgia and from that team, and he didn't.

851
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: He never played. Um, and then it's this kid. So

852
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: I do think if you get a couple of the

853
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: right guys, it can make a big difference, no doubt,

854
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: because they can literally hit the ground running. UM. So

855
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 1: there is that, and there's certainly a lot of Southern

856
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: California kids who, you know, maybe if it's not working out,

857
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: like Bryce Young was once committed to USC but he's

858
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: not gonna I don't think. You know, you're talking about

859
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: kids who are there have to be some reason why

860
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: they're leaving the place they're leaving, you know, it's like

861
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: just for that. And but maybe there are a handful

862
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: who would say, hey, I always when I grew up

863
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: a USC fan and I had the chance to go

864
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: play for him, maybe maybe there there will be a

865
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,959
Speaker 1: handful of those I would imagine. Yeah, I mean, look,

866
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: I think the USC thing is fascinating, But I can't

867
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: let you go because you brought up this team, Sarkin, Texas.

868
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: What are expectations over the next two years? Do you

869
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: think he has enough to be able to jump started

870
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: and really get it going at youtub? I think he

871
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: has enough to work with. He to his credit, he

872
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: hired what I think is a really really good staff.

873
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: He's got good recruiters, good position coaches, I think, good coordinators.

874
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 1: He has one elite running back in Jean Robinson, who

875
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: might be as talented as any running back in college football. Now,

876
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: they got a couple of good, big people on the

877
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: d line. But where I feel like similar to USC.

878
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: You know, Tom Herman hired hired recruited a bunch of

879
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: top ten classes and a lot of dbs who were

880
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: four and five star guys who nobody's gonna ever hear

881
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: of when it comes to the NFL draft. So you know,

882
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: like I was surprised they played as well as they

883
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: did against Louisiana who's a really good sun Belt team,

884
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: and I was the flip side. They looked equally as

885
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: disappointing the next time out and when they got just

886
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: man handled by Arkansas, right, and you know, DJ was

887
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: talking about the ou thing going to going to the

888
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: SEC like that was an SEC team. It wasn't an

889
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: elite SEC team, but it was like, hey, we're gonna

890
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: punch in the mouth like three times. Let's see what happened.

891
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 1: And it didn't go well. So how quickly can Stark

892
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: and that staff fix that? Because that is a huge

893
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: Texas problem, right, And that's and they don't see that

894
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: much in the in like Matt Rule would try to

895
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: do that. Kate State occasionally would try to do that,

896
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: but you don't see that in the Big twelve. So

897
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: um and they you know, Bucky in your time frame,

898
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: that's right around the time they're probably gonna get into

899
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: the SEC, and that's gonna be a tougher challenge. Like

900
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: I'd heard great things about Hudson Card from guys on

901
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: that staff, but he wasn't ready. And now Casey Thompson's

902
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: got it. Maybe Casey Thompson will play well enough where

903
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: he doesn't give it up for for for the rest

904
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: of his time there. I don't know, but they have

905
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: a couple of pieces. They do not have enough of them.

906
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: They're very to me, they're very similar to USC and

907
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: that they have enough like front line wow guys where

908
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: they can beat anybody on their schedule, but they can't

909
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: you know, go much more than you know like That's

910
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: why I think Stark's got to really flip it internally

911
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: and I we'll see if he can get it done.

912
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: The last one. For me, I'm always curious looking for

913
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: these next group of guys and coaching wise, you know,

914
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: where is the innovation coming from? I know, just flipping

915
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: on games on Saturdays. If I see a Coastal Carolina game,

916
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: even though their arrival of ours up at app State,

917
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: I'll watch Jamie chadwill because I want to see what

918
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: he's doing with this offense, because they're pretty darn innovative. Um,

919
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, hey, what do you think of him? And

920
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: be you know who are some of these other young

921
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: innovators that are that are coming up. Yeah, you took

922
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: the first one out of my mouth. Jamie Chadwell and

923
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: what they do his and I don't know if you

924
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: guys remember this name, Bucky's from kind of not far

925
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: from where you're from. Willie corn Um quarterbacker crew went

926
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: to Clemson, didn't work out then then playing in a

927
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: much smaller school, and they do some funky stuff on offense.

928
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: And you know, Grayson McCall fit, he's kind of where

929
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: from where um um Sam Howell's from. I think at

930
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: some point, you know, like they're basically from the same

931
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 1: maybe the same county. We turned him down at app

932
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 1: by the way, he came to a camp. He wanted

933
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: to go there and we didn't take him. Yeah, that's

934
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: not looking too too Prussian, but but like they do

935
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: really interesting stuff. I think he was up for a

936
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,959
Speaker 1: couple of SEC jobs. Tennessee could have had him, South

937
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: Carolina could have had him. What my understanding was there

938
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: was a little bit of hesitation that well, both he

939
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: and his entire staff. I've never worked in Power five.

940
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: They're all small school guys. Jami Chawe was gonna wanted

941
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: to bring his whole staff there, and unlike like let's

942
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: say USC, I mean geographically, I mean he's from East Tennessee,

943
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: played at East Tennessee State. That would have worked at Tennessee.

944
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: Like if I'm a Tennessee fan. I'm I'm like, you know,

945
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: get nauseous every time I watched Coastal Carolina played, you know,

946
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: because that should have been there. And again, maybe maybe

947
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: it'll work for Josh Hypele. He's a good offensive coach,

948
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: but like that was a guy and some you know,

949
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: like unfortunately for USC, some of the guys who I

950
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 1: think you know are ready to take a big step

951
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: up geographically, I'm not sure how they fit at USC.

952
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: Jamie Chadwell, Billy Napier at Louis Louisiana has done a

953
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: really good job. Billy Napier has a really good staff.

954
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 1: I think he is you know, he's coached at Alabama. Yeah,

955
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: I was gonna say coach at Alabama. He was at

956
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: one point a coordinator at Clemson front of a coach.

957
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: He has taken a lot of lessons that I think

958
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: worked out very well. Um, I think are are you know,

959
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: are translating a couple other guys like I mentioned this

960
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: guy Um when we talked about Ohio State, like Bryan Hartline,

961
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, he has gotta be on people's radar

962
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: because what he has done for Ohio State. He has

963
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: the best receiver room in the country. He's not just

964
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: proven to be an elite recruiter. I think, you know,

965
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 1: he was obviously a really good player because he played

966
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: in the NFL for the Dolphins and after he played

967
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: at Ohio State. And I think he can be choosy

968
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,479
Speaker 1: and I think he will because he's an Ohio State

969
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 1: guy and that's in his DNA. But if Luke Fickle

970
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 1: leaves Cincinnati, maybe to go back to Marcus Freeman who

971
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: left there to be the DC at Notre Dame. But

972
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: like I think, Brian Hartline is gonna rise fast on

973
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: on on people's eyes just because of what he's doing there.

974
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: And I think work in hand in hand with Ryan Day,

975
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: I think is a big deal. Um, those are guys

976
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: that I think. I think it's it's critical if you

977
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: have somebody who can really develop the room, right. I

978
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: mean to me, that is the thing that often is

979
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: the most overlooked aspect of of you know what sometimes

980
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: we talk about in the media. We get caught up

981
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: an X and o's a lot, which is not not

982
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: saying it doesn't matter, but I think it's like, how

983
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: do you have guys ready, because especially at some of

984
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 1: these positions, you're gonna if you're a receiver. Receivers definitely

985
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: could be you know, could bail out, you know, to

986
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: go to the NFL early, And how do you replace him,

987
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: and how do you kind of translate how do you

988
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: get that You're also dealing with a lot of ego,

989
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: you know, not say the skill positions of it more

990
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: than maybe lineman do. But I think that's something that

991
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: that that really is. You know, people take note of that, right, Um,

992
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: you know, I think Joe moorehead Stock will get hot again,

993
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: you know, like he was. Yeah, I mean he he

994
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: out coached Ohio State so badly in that matchup, right,

995
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean they you know, I don't know how good

996
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: of a prospect Anthony Brown Jr. Is he's gonna. He

997
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: played at BC, played a lot, He's a really bright kid.

998
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: He's had you know, two major knee injuries, but he

999
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 1: played really well in that game. But it's not like

1000
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: Oregon has the same They don't have anywhere near the

1001
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: receivers that Ohio State did. And Joe moorehead is such

1002
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: a good play caller and he's really creative, and people

1003
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: are you know, people maybe get nauseous of here in

1004
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: the term r P O but he RPOs the heck

1005
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: out of people, and I think he put together a

1006
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: really good game plan. I think Kalendbor in Fresno. People

1007
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: talked about what's his background, because I don't I don't know.

1008
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm just learning here in His name was really small,

1009
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: n ai school did really well. At some point Indiana

1010
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: hired him to be the o C. And I didn't

1011
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: know anything about him when he was there, but I

1012
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: remember talking to a buddy of mine who was a

1013
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: defensive quarter in the league. He was like, the guy

1014
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: at Indiana do some really cool stuff and they play

1015
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: their painting the butt to deal with because he game

1016
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: plans really well. And so, you know, I living out

1017
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles, I know the U c l

1018
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: A staff really well. And they had a week two,

1019
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 1: you know, they had a bye week, and they were

1020
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: very concerned about him, and they knew there was a

1021
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: bunch of like pack twelve transfers there. Ty Jones, who

1022
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 1: was a bigger fruit for Washington. He's there. Jake Hayner,

1023
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: who physically, um, you know, probably looks, you know, doesn't

1024
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: look like an NFL guy in terms of just like

1025
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: walking around, but he slings it around pretty good, and

1026
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: he like, I don't know if you guys had a

1027
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: chance to watch that game, Oh, watch the watched the

1028
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. Watched the TV copy to be honest, because

1029
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: you will see the wind sing, you know, like you

1030
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: get like like he throws a touchdown pants late in

1031
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: the game against U c l A. It's not even

1032
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: the game winning touchdowns the one before that, but I

1033
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: guess it gives them a lead back where I was like, man,

1034
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: I must have been a really late hit because why

1035
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: is he on the ground because nobody was close to him.

1036
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: Will you realize he took two hits on the play before,

1037
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: and one looked like it was either in the kidneys

1038
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: or the ribs where he was wincing so bad that

1039
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 1: after he threw the ball, he just went down in agony.

1040
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: Nobody touched him. And I was like that the rest

1041
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: of the rest of the game, Like, I think freds no,

1042
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: like they've been kind of my sleeper for a while.

1043
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: I thought they were. They were twenty point underdog to Oregon.

1044
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: They gave him all the good handle um and then

1045
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: they obviously beat I what I think is still a

1046
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: good U c l A. Team. I mean, we talk

1047
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: a lot about Cincinnati and they're good. We talk a

1048
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: lot about b y U and they're good. I think

1049
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: Fresno is really good. This is a really, really good

1050
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: college quarterback, and it's a really good coach who I think,

1051
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: you know, the Mountain West has has produced a lot

1052
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: of good coaches who springboarded up Kaling. The board to

1053
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: me is probably that next guy. Oh Man. I could

1054
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: go on and on. Bruce, You've been generally us with

1055
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: your time here. Buck. Anything else you want to get

1056
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 1: out of Bruce, drag out of him before we wrap

1057
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: up Bruce Marcus Freeman, How quickly can he fix was

1058
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: ailing Notre Dame's defense, because right now the transition hasn't

1059
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: looked smooth. Do you think he gets it fixed before

1060
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: the end of the season. I do think he Look

1061
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: he has one piece that almost nobody has back there,

1062
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: like the Wow guy. Yeah, I mean the ground he

1063
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: covers and the range he has. I think what's different

1064
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: for them is I think the front seven is kind

1065
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: of limited, you know, like the expectations are high. I

1066
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: don't like, I feel like you have one elite, elite

1067
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: player and then and I don't want to say he

1068
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 1: had better players at Cincinnati, but he had Sauce Gardner

1069
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: is a big time corner, right, and he has like

1070
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: probably three guys in the front seven who are like

1071
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: two guys are almost twins or six five to sixty

1072
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: and super like they were both my freakslist guys, Um

1073
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 1: Beavers and j Sanders. And they have an other guy

1074
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: who can like they had a lot of speed on

1075
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: that defense, right. So um, I think he will. He's

1076
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: a really good coach. I I don't have any doubts

1077
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: that he'll get it better. But I think what what

1078
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: to me you're talking to Notre Dame is more interesting,

1079
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: not more interesting, but more of an eye opener. Is

1080
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: they're struggling on the offensive line, which hey, maybe they

1081
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: were long past due because they've been so good on

1082
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: the offensive line with tight ends too, that this is

1083
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: the first time that they're looking pretty shaky. You know,

1084
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: they're getting giving up pressures. They're not running the ball

1085
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 1: as well. I think that's probably a bigger concern than

1086
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: like I think they'll get they'll they'll be fine on defense.

1087
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: I think he did give up a bunch of big plays.

1088
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: I think it was young guys kind of figuring out

1089
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of a new system. But it's the

1090
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: offensive line I'm more interested by because I'm more curious

1091
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: where that goes from here. All right, Bruce, I said

1092
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: that was the last question, final one that I'll let

1093
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: you go. I've just come across some very interesting names year.

1094
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: Your favorite name in college football as we wrap up, Um,

1095
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: mine would probably be Smoke Monday or it's either Smoke

1096
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: Monday or Coblasier Smoke. That's pretty good. Yeah. And if

1097
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: a guy who smoked two cigarettes in my life and

1098
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: not in the last probably three. What's what's the name

1099
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: of what's the name of my guy at Alabama? They've

1100
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: got a great name at Alabama? Oh God, what kool aid?

1101
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: M coolid ye? The guy othern Utah and I would

1102
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: butcher the name there. I told you about him, right, DJ.

1103
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: This is they have a linebacker who's from Hawaii who

1104
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: was super athletic, was like track background and if you

1105
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: watch the film of them against Weber State last year,

1106
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 1: you'll see like you call him chasing the guy, right Yeah,

1107
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: And it's like it's like a Hanohano Hano Davis or

1108
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: something some some like super long name. It's not fitting

1109
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: on the back of a jersey, but that would probably

1110
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: if I could say it, that would be my favorite name. Okay, well,

1111
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: we have four and I've I've taken measures to make

1112
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: sure that we don't have a fifth. But if we did,

1113
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,959
Speaker 1: cool it was very much in the mix for number five.

1114
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: The days when kool Aid covers the Coldest Crawford and

1115
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: it's coming next year when he gets to l s U.

1116
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: I'll be the matchup we're waiting for. I love it. Hey, Bruce,

1117
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: you're the best man. Thanks for your time. I appreciate you.

1118
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: Always a pleasure. Thank you, guys. Thanks Bruce Buck. There

1119
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 1: you go. There's our buddy, Bruce Fellman um as great

1120
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: as always. Love having him on again. Encourage everybody check

1121
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 1: out the athletic for all Bruce's work. It's fantastic. That's

1122
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 1: gonna do it for us today. I appreciate you, guys.

1123
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: Hope you enjoyed it. We'll catch you next time. Right here,

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00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: I'll move the sticks.