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Speaker 1: Sports Podcast. Today, I'm speaking with Justin Here, head baseball

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Speaker 1: you use the word creative, what a great way to

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Speaker 1: build like team bonding. And I feel like, you know,

432
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 1: so many people strive. I know, we all do. I

433
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 1: mean gotta, you know, at my own family. You know,

434
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 1: you find you try to find ways to bring everyone together,

435
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 1: you know, to be driven towards a certain purpose and

436
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: to create. Like you mentioned in identity, Well, how do

437
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 1: you do that? You have to live in order to become.

438
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: I feel like in order to become something, you have

439
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: to live it. You have to live it every single day.

440
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: You can't fake it. So I feel like the creativity,

441
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: you know, living it, all those things you get everyone

442
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: to buy it. It's not like you're selling an idea

443
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: to people. Hey, here's what we're gonna do. No, you

444
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: went and did it. And how was the reaction to

445
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: the players? You know, do they feel like, man, this

446
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: is what we are, this is what we do. Does it?

447
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 1: Does it make them feel like I have an extra

448
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: little chip on our shoulder, like walk around a little

449
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 1: extra swag, because, let's face it, in the failure piece

450
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: of baseball or any sport, you know, you need things

451
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 1: to hang on to to to give you that positive mindset,

452
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 1: to have that confidence no matter how bad things may

453
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: be going. You gotta have a short term memory, you

454
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: know at times. So does that does that whole gym

455
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: think kind of fuel your identity and keep those guys

456
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: from a chemistry standpoint moving in the right direction. You know,

457
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer. Again, I think there's plenty of um,

458
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: there's plenty of doubt and self doubt and failure in

459
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 1: the game of baseball and then the game of in

460
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: any sport, right in any in the game of life.

461
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Speaker 1: Right Like, I know this that when you feel like

462
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: you're in shape and your uniform looks good and you

463
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 1: feel like you're strong, you feel like you know you're

464
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 1: getting into the box to face ninety five miles an hour,

465
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Speaker 1: But you've trained to face ninety five miles an hour

466
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: every day for the last three months. I know that

467
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: you have a lot more confidence when you step into

468
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: the arena when you feel prepared. Right when when I'm

469
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: going to go ask a pretty lady on a date,

470
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: I feel more confident when I'm in shape and my

471
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: clothes fit good. Like. It's the same thing in baseball

472
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 1: as it is in life. If I'm going to go

473
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Speaker 1: ask for a raise, I feel more confident when when

474
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: I feel like the prep work that I've done and

475
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: the skin that I've put in the game has earned

476
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Speaker 1: me that right, like has earned me the opportunity to

477
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Speaker 1: sit down and genuinely ask for a raise, or ask

478
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,959
Speaker 1: for a job, or go after a job. All of

479
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: that stuff comes down to preparation, comes down to confidence level,

480
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: comes down to feeling like you've earned the opportunity to

481
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,479
Speaker 1: be sitting at the table or be in the arena

482
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: of competition, and so any chance that we get to

483
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: pour that into our guys and to connect the dots

484
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: for our guys, that confidence is king. But confidence comes

485
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: from preparation. Here are the tools of the trade to

486
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 1: be prepared and here's the plan, and let's go to

487
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: work every single day, and our coaching staff will be

488
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: out there at five or five thirty or six o'clock

489
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: in the morning in the hotel parking lot getting after

490
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: with some music jam and you know, our guys are

491
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: coming down to breakfast and we're walking in from getting

492
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: to work out. Like they see that, they see that standard,

493
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 1: and I can't help but think that they, hey, man

494
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: like coach is getting after a man like I've got

495
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 1: primer lift at eleven o'clock today, like I'm gonna get

496
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: out there, I'm gonna get after. We're gonna be ready

497
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 1: to go tonight Friday night to face X y Z whoever.

498
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, Like there is a certain piece of

499
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: living that standard every day of pushing yourself and your

500
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: organization every single day, asking them to give a little

501
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: bit more of themselves because you're willing to give a

502
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: little bit more of yourself every day. That breeds that preparation.

503
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: And when you're prepared, you're confident, and when you're confident,

504
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: you have a much better success rate in anything that

505
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: you do. And so we're always trying to surround our

506
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: guys with the tools and with the ability and connecting

507
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: the dots for them for if we do this, we'll

508
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: feel better about that, and then we'll be able or

509
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: have a better opportunity to achieve these things. And so,

510
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: whether that's in the classroom, whether that's in the weight room,

511
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: whether that's on the field of competition, or when they're

512
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: sitting down for an interview for their first job, or

513
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,719
Speaker 1: asking you know, their girlfriend to marry them, or whatever

514
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: the case may be in their life, we're always trying

515
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: to provide them the standard for which will allow them

516
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Speaker 1: to be successful in whatever environment they end up surrounding themselves.

517
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: At you and I, I believe around the same age.

518
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm forty two old of you. I'm forty three two.

519
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: All right. So we grew up in you know, identical eras.

520
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: So you know, it's a different era today, right, you know,

521
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: I feel like it was a little bit more. Uh, guys,

522
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: stick your chest out, you know, don't talk about things

523
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: such and such when we were growing up. I mean

524
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: it was almost like a mental health and things of

525
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: that nature were almost like a negative stigma. Quite frankly, Um,

526
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: you were, I was, you were. You didn't want to

527
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: show any weakness. You know, it was almost like you

528
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: weren't masculine quote unquota if you did that, you know,

529
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: twenty thirty years ago. Well that time has changed, thank god.

530
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: Where you have you know, professional athletes and coaches and

531
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 1: you know, professionals at the highest level of whatever it is,

532
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: you know, being vulnerable allowing themselves to to do so.

533
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: And it's giving people the opportunity to feel comfortable sharing

534
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: things they may not have. You know, back when you

535
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: and I were growing up, and I was fortunate to play,

536
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: like I mentioned for Mike Fox, and he was one

537
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 1: of the first you know, adults that weren't my parents

538
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: that I was around playing for where I felt like

539
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: he gave me the opportunity to When I was a

540
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: little freshman and I was insecure and I was trying

541
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: to figure out my space, he put his arm around me,

542
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: you know, tell me how good hey, hang in there,

543
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 1: you know. But I watched him kind of coddle me

544
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: a little bit. But I saw him with other freshman

545
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: who can take a little bit more of a stern.

546
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: He figured out each individual how to bring the best

547
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: out of them. He knew which players responded, and I

548
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: don't know. I talked to him about it quite a bit,

549
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: and he says he took so many notes, like in

550
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: the beginning of the fall year, to try to get

551
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: to know each player what made him tick, and he

552
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: still did it. And he said when he retired he

553
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: actually had like I don't know, binders or folders of

554
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: players from like years and years, and he sent them

555
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: all to him, you know, I mean, like, hey, this

556
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: is what you know, and the guys were like, this

557
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: is amazing. But he did the work that was needed

558
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: to really find the way to connect with those players,

559
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: which was probably what made him such a great coach

560
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: for such a long period of time. Is that something

561
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: that you do with your players to try to find

562
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: what makes them tick to bring the most out of them.

563
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: Because I feel like the best coaches are the ones

564
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: that the players know they love them more or just

565
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: as much as a person than just the athlete. Yeah,

566
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: you know, gosh, I should probably work on being more

567
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: disciplined like Coach Fox and taking better notes and stuff.

568
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: But but but I think our sentiment here, I think

569
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: is the same is that we're just people, man um,

570
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: you know, And and I tell our guys this all

571
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: the time, and we try to make sure that it's

572
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: it's the truth. Our job is to love them right.

573
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: Like my job is is to love each and every

574
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: one of the guys in our locker room. Their job

575
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: is not to love me back. Their job is to

576
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: love each other right. And so they need to understand

577
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: or or or it's my responsibility to make sure that

578
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: they understand that that I've got a job to do.

579
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: There's a certain side of it that is the business.

580
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: But ultimately, I'm not perfect. Man, I am a human being.

581
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: I will make probably way more mistakes than they will

582
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: over there four or five year period here, you know.

583
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: But regardless, like I'm gonna love him, I'm gonna love

584
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: them like they're my own. And it's my responsibility to

585
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: to build that relationship with them right, to be on

586
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: their level, to figure out how to communicate with them

587
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: the best individually, collectively and everywhere in between, because I

588
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: think that's how you get people to be their best

589
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: right is to have a certain amount of comfort level. Yes,

590
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: is it okay for them to feel a little bit

591
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: uneasy sometimes, to feel like, gosh, man, don't you know

592
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: like a healthy fear, like a healthy like I better

593
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: be on top of my stuff, man, because like I'm

594
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to probably pay for on some level, right,

595
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: Like I've got to be on top of it. But

596
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: coach is going to be on top of it. Two

597
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: And when he's not, he's going to tell us that

598
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: he's not. And you know, there there is that in

599
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: my opinion, for us to be successful, I need our

600
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: guys to see authentically who I am because because they

601
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: are going they're going to be able to spot the fake, right,

602
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: They're going to be able to spot when I'm not

603
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: being authentic with them, when when I'm trying to be

604
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: something that I'm not. And I don't think that that

605
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: breeds trust. I think when when I could admit that

606
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: I was wrong, or I can admit that I made

607
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: a mistake, or I can admit that that I was

608
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: scared or or that I was struggling with whatever it was,

609
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: I think it humanizes that relationship. And when it humanizes

610
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: that relationship, I think it helps to build trust between

611
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: the two parties. And when you have trust, man, like,

612
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: it kind of unlocks some things that that maybe you

613
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: didn't know that we're there, or that you didn't know

614
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: that we're there. But maybe you couldn't access them as easily.

615
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: And I think maybe that's where we've had some success,

616
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: right Like, I think that's maybe where people might say, well,

617
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: Campbell's been able to overachieve from maybe where they've been.

618
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: I think it's because between our staff and our players,

619
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: there's a lot of trust, and there's a lot of love,

620
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of authenticity to who we are

621
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: as people. And there's not a huge divide between players

622
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: verse coaches or coaches verse players. It's a true feeling,

623
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: like you said before, of a brotherhood of all of

624
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: us are in this together, man. And we even define

625
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: that and try to get our guys to understand that

626
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: the definition of a brotherhood is not that we're going

627
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: to get along all the time. It's not that we're

628
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: always going to agree. I've got three brothers. I promise

629
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: you we don't always agree. We don't always get along, right.

630
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: In fact, I think being a part of a brotherhood

631
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: or having brothers, I think insures that you're not always

632
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: going to get along. There are going to be things

633
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: that annoy you. There are going to be things that

634
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: you don't agree on. There are going to be ways

635
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 1: that you live your life day in and day out

636
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: that are a little bit different than maybe how your

637
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: brothers do. But being a part of a brotherhood is

638
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: being able to say, we're going to have our differences,

639
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna have our disagreements, but when it's time, we're

640
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: going to take those differences and disagreements and we're going

641
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: to set them aside. And because we're brothers, because we

642
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: love each other, because we're here for the betterment of

643
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: the whole, we're going to be able to set those

644
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: things aside, and we're going to be able to attack

645
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: the bigger problem together between the white lines, and we're

646
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: gonna do what we've got to do so that the

647
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: team and the brotherhood and the program is successful at

648
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: the highest level we can possibly make it. Dude, you

649
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: got me, You got me. I'm like, I have no muscles.

650
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: How I do is run, but like any veins of

651
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: muscle like to have our When you were talked about started,

652
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: I almost started flexing, like I was like, Oh, be

653
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: fired up, dude, my guy tell me this. Man, there's

654
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: to be people that are probably feeling the same way

655
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: listening to this, Like, dude, I want to They either

656
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: know about Campbell, they've heard of you before, Maybe they haven't.

657
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: Maybe their parents or kids are listening to this, like, dude,

658
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: I want to play for this coach. Like, listen, there's

659
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: a twenty billion dollar youth sports industry right now, and

660
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 1: it's estimated coach to be upwards of a seventy six

661
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: billion dollar industry by twenty twenty six. It's it's like,

662
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. My point is, I think it's built around recruiting. Right.

663
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: Everyone wants to get to the next level. Kids are

664
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: working their train and parents are traveling everywhere. How can

665
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: they They heard you, They want to connect with you

666
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: or your staff. They want to get on the radar.

667
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: They want to see what's the best way for these

668
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: high school kids to get on the radar justin here

669
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: Campbell University or any school and put themselves into position

670
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: and potentially be recruited by you in your program. Yeah,

671
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: you know, in general, I'm gonna get I'm gonna approach

672
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: it two different ways that in general, right, be good, right,

673
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: like be talented. I think that that that's and that's

674
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: that's subjective for each per right like, there is there

675
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: is some subjectivity to that. What I think is talented

676
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: might be different than than what Wake Forest thinks or

677
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: or unc pembroke things or who whomever. Right, the beauty

678
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 1: is in the eye of the beholder. But but be talented,

679
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: Wall coach. I'm working hard. I'm playing all that. Hey listen.

680
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: Like the biggest underutilized or underdeveloped side of youth or

681
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: high school athletics, in my opinion, is the lack of

682
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: dedication to the strength and conditioning side of things, especially

683
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: in baseball. I think we are in such a time

684
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 1: and age of you gotta play all summer, you gotta

685
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: play all fall, you gotta start, you gotta work out

686
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: with your travel team all winner, and then you got

687
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: to play high school ball starting in January through whatever,

688
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 1: and then it's right back. And we look at guys

689
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: that are fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years old, and they're lacking

690
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: physical strength, and they're lacking speed, and they're lacking some

691
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: of those things that instead of playing one hundred games

692
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: a year at at fifteen years old, maybe maybe let's

693
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,959
Speaker 1: spend some extra time in the weight room, right, Maybe

694
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: let's spend some time on our diet and nutrition and

695
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: being physically strong. Because when we go evaluate people, nick,

696
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: our eyes are first drawn to the most physically imposing

697
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: guys on the field. It's just the truth, man, Like,

698
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: that's just that's who we are. That's that's what's important

699
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: to us. And so we want to be looking for

700
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: physically imposing guys. Well, how do you become physically imposing?

701
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: That has to be a priority for you in your

702
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: development process from fourteen, fifteen, sixteen years old and on up.

703
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: I think that that's an area that gets lost in

704
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: today's youth drive to play all the time, right and

705
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: and I just can't imagine having lived a high school

706
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: life that didn't involve playing football and didn't involve being

707
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: in the way room. There's so much to be gained

708
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: from that beyond physical strength. But I think that piece

709
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: is really important. So, you know, for for me, for us,

710
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: for our staff, I think obviously being good on the field,

711
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: but being physical and being strong and being fast and

712
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: having you know, developing some of those developable tools is

713
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: really important. Um now, how do how do you get

714
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: on our radar? Like, what's the best way to reach

715
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: out to us? For us, it would be to contact

716
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: our assistant coaches. Joey Holcomb and Tyler Robinson are are

717
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 1: both phenomenal evaluators of talent. They are on the road

718
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: a lot. Um they develop our guys when they are here,

719
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: and um, there are two of the best in the business.

720
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: Tyler Robinson is our pitching coach and kind of our

721
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: high school like our heads up our high school recruiting

722
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: UM and Joey Holcomb works with our hitters and our

723
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: catchers and kind of heads up our junior colleging transfer recruiting.

724
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: And obviously there's plenty of us over there. But reaching

725
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: out to those guys directly, either via Twitter and sending

726
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: them videos that way, or reaching out to them, you know,

727
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: via email and all that kind of stuff is the quickest,

728
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: easiest way to get on our radar directly. So would

729
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: you rather because you mentioned the football and strength and track,

730
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: so would you rather see if you saw a kid

731
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: who was you know, just looked like a baseball player,

732
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: I mean a baseball player, you know, not so much

733
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: physically imposing, but beautiful swing, can run well, I mean,

734
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: certainly can play at the next level, could potentially play

735
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: at Campbell and maybe even be an impact player, Versus

736
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: a kid who may be more physically imposing, you know,

737
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: may place them football or whatever the sport is, you know,

738
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: but more of a physically imposing kid than that other

739
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: idea was describing. Maybe a little underdeveloped in this skill

740
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: set standpoint, but because you see the physicality, there may

741
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: be more upset Like do you look at it, go wow?

742
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: That kid wow? When he gets on campus, we may

743
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: there may be a lot more left in the tank

744
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: because he hasn't played baseball year round versus the kid

745
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: who wow. He might be a little bit ahead, but

746
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how much of a ceiling he has.

747
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: Is there a correlation there? Sure? Yeah, And it's not

748
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: an either or. The only absolute in the world is

749
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: that there is no other absolute you like, you know,

750
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: and so it's certainly by a case by case basis.

751
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: You know. Again, there's going to be some guys that

752
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: are naturally gifted that are really good baseball players that

753
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: we look at and there may be a little bit

754
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 1: undersized or underdeveloped from a physicality standpoint, and we feel

755
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: like that's something that we do a good job of.

756
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: We provide our guys with the resources and the things

757
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: to add weight and add strength, and so you can

758
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: look at him and say, hey, man, like that guy's

759
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: a pretty good baseball player. He's got some good skills.

760
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: If we can add fifteen or twenty, he might be

761
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: he might go from a burner to a baller where

762
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: he's stealing twenty bases and hitting twenty home runs instead

763
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: of just stealing twenty bases. Right, Um, you know, we've

764
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: got a plan for that. We might see the the

765
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: you know Tommy Harrington, who was the thirty sixth overall

766
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: pick in last year's draft, he was a high school quarterback,

767
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: never played year round, was a little bit physically underdeveloped,

768
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 1: but also had some feel to pitch and had only

769
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: really pitched one year full time and was a competitor

770
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: oldest of five high school quarterback at at at Southern League.

771
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: And we felt like, man, if we can get him

772
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: here and get him on the throwing program and have

773
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: him do baseball, you know, three hundred and sixty five

774
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: days a year, it might be pretty special. And lo

775
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: and behold, it was pretty special. Right, And so I

776
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: think that there's a combination there. Um, I just you know,

777
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: I guess my whole point of saying that is that

778
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: is that there is more to development than and then

779
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: playing baseball at fifteen years old, one hundred games a year,

780
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: you know, And I think that that's a vastly missed

781
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 1: part that if you know, and I'm just throwing out numbers,

782
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: if you only played fifty games a year, and you

783
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: took those other fifty days and you spent time in

784
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: the weight room and speed training those fifty days that

785
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: you actually did play, you'd probably play better. I love

786
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: that great point, coach, Here, where can we find you?

787
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: What's the best way? You know? You're on Twitter? Where else? Yeah?

788
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: Twitter at Jay har O three j H A I

789
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: R EO three And on Instagram same thing, um at

790
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: go Camel's bsbum is our Instagram and Twitter handle there

791
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: that that Brook Brown and her crew m with our

792
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: creative team does a phenomenal job. Yeah. I mean those

793
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: those are probably the two best places in today's day

794
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: and h to find us man or come out to

795
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: in Perry Stadium and watch us play or catch us

796
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: on the road. I think that's that's the other piece Nick,

797
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: that that we talked earlier about having some informed decisions. Um,

798
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: whatever sport it is, you play soccer, you play baseball,

799
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: you wrestle, you do whatever you know, and and you

800
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: think you want to go to X Y Z school,

801
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: spend some time. Go watch X y Z school, Go

802
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: watch the schools that are in your area. Go watch

803
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: those college programs play, and what that physicality looks like,

804
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: and what that that speed of those games look like.

805
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: Because I think there is there is not a better

806
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: eye opener for parents and youth age kids than to

807
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: go and watch it in person and see what that

808
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: commitment actually looks like and see the speed of the

809
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: game and the speed of those competition and the strength

810
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: of those UM college age athletes actually looks like UM

811
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: for them to get a real feel for um, how

812
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: realistic it is for them to play at whatever level

813
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: they're hoping to play. Justin here, the Campbell cambell is

814
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: one of the slickest uniforms out there. I love the logo.

815
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 1: It's freaking phenomenal. Man. We're gonna see you in Omaha hopefully. Hey,

816
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll see you there this year. Man. But I

817
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: can't thank you enough for your time, brother, keep up

818
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: the good work, and man, I just appreciate you. Appreciate you. Man.

819
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: That's justin here, head baseball coach at Campbell University. Thanks

820
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: for listening to the Reform Sports Project podcast. I'm Nick

821
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,960
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822
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,960
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