1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: my name is Noel. 7 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We are joined as always with 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 3: our super producer Alexis codenamed Dot Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,959 Speaker 3: you are you. You are here, and that makes this 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 3: the stuff they don't want you to know. It is 11 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 3: the top of the week, and as you know longtime listeners, 12 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 3: fellow conspiracy realist, we like to we'd like to explore 13 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 3: what we call strange news at the top of every week. 14 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 3: Today we are going to explore some wonkiness in the 15 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 3: dea going to talk about the musical genre narco corrido. 16 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 3: We are also going to begin with a bit of 17 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 3: an update, a bit of a follow up on an 18 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 3: episode we did get this, guys, all the way back 19 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen, before the news became huge in the 20 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 3: United States. In twenty eighteen, we did an episode called 21 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 3: the Modern Vampire Longer Life through Younger Blood. Do we 22 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 3: all remember that one? 23 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: How could we forget. 24 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 4: All these big wigs bathing in the blood of virgins 25 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 4: and what maybe okay, okay, that's a little bit overstating 26 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 4: the case, but yeah, certainly about access, the term blood boy, 27 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 4: blood bag comes to mind. 28 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah, we'll get to We'll get to blood boy, 29 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 3: which may be familiar to fans of the fictional show 30 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 3: Silicon Valley. The idea of this is essentially that people 31 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 3: with a certain level of wealth, which in transparency we 32 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 3: do not we do not have access to. People with 33 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: a certain level of wealth and a certain level of 34 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 3: fear of mortality were creating these startups with this idea that, 35 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 3: based off research on mice, you could live longer, you 36 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 3: could maintain your quality of life through regular plasma transfusions 37 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 3: of blood from younger people. And there was a weird 38 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 3: market that was just on the precipice of going mainstream, 39 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 3: wherein people in their teenage years or lower twenties would 40 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 3: donate plasma to very wealthy older picture Monty Burns from 41 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 3: the Simpsons type folks, and they were convinced that they 42 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 3: would be able to maintain a higher quality of life 43 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 3: through the regular transfusion of this plasma. The science has 44 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 3: never been approved by anyone who wasn't trying to sell 45 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 3: this concept to someone with a lot of money. 46 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 4: Just to be clear, is the efficacy of it even 47 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 4: like confirmed? I understand what you're saying, man, but like, 48 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 4: is this really just sort of like a vanity thing 49 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 4: for the super wealthy. Is it something that we actually 50 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 4: believe in scientifically or is it kind of snake oil? 51 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 3: Well, nol, It's interesting that you would say you would 52 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 3: pose this question, because the people who do believe in 53 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 3: the efficacy here, they are ten toes down on it, 54 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 3: and most specifically, just a few days ago, a very 55 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 3: wealthy guy named Brian Johnson got in the news. I 56 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 3: think the story broke first on Bloomberg for using his 57 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 3: seveneen year old son named Talmadge and his seventy year 58 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 3: old father Richard as part of a three way blood swap. 59 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 3: It reminds I think most people in the West of 60 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 3: that scene in the beginning of mad Max Fury Road 61 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 3: where the war boy has to use mad Max for 62 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 3: fresh cancer free blood, basically right and just like. 63 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 4: A dystopian science fiction film, just to be clear, right, 64 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 4: And yet we see it mirrored in society much more 65 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 4: closely than might make any of us comfortable. 66 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 3: And it's weird because our exploration all those years ago 67 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 3: was somewhat prescient. The story hit big in twenty nineteen 68 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 3: and people sort of lost track of it. But this guy, 69 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 3: Brian Johnson, he has been super into the idea of 70 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 3: not just extending his biological age, but extending what we 71 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 3: call his period of youthfulness. And so he gets in 72 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 3: the news because he went to a clinic in Dallas 73 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 3: with his dad and with his son and they exchanged blood. 74 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 3: It turns out this is not the first time Brian 75 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 3: Johnson has been to a clinic to get blood transfusions. 76 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 3: He got the blood of an anonymous donor in the past. 77 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 3: He also spent a lot of time and money selecting 78 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 3: this donor based on things like their blood type, obviously, 79 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 3: but then their overall health and their body mass index, 80 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 3: their BMI, as well as their diet. And he has 81 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: a couple of things. I shared some of these sources here. 82 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 3: You can see pictures of him and his son. I 83 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 3: want to go ahead and just let you guys react 84 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: to this. Do you want to see the picture of 85 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 3: him and his son, or him and his son and 86 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 3: his grandfather? Why not? All three. 87 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, the full flavor. 88 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 5: Okay, Richard and Talmadge. I was I knew that name 89 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 5: rungs presidential name, isn't it Like Richard Talmadge was a 90 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 5: German born actor that was in a bunch of stuff 91 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 5: like early in film history, and uh, I just remember 92 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 5: that name. Sorry, just putting that out there. Richard Talmadge. 93 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 4: Oh you know else's Talmadge. There was a several governors 94 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 4: of Georgia, Herman Talmadge and Eugene Talmadge. 95 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 3: We're putting it together and all together. 96 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,119 Speaker 4: Okay, the dynasty vibes. 97 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 3: So I'm sharing the picture now so you guys can 98 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 3: see it. Uh. The one left is the first strap. 99 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: The one in the middle is Brian Johnson. The one 100 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 3: on the right is the father and grandfather. They're all 101 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 3: in white tank tops wife beaters we call them here 102 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 3: in the US often and you can tell they're related. 103 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 3: But it looks kind of weird, just since we're an 104 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 3: audio podcast, just to give everybody a sense. When I 105 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 3: first pulled up this picture, I thought it was a 106 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 3: deep fake because I thought it was Joe Biden on 107 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 3: the far right there. 108 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 4: Oh wow, there's some serious caressing going on in this 109 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 4: image here, it's very like a Calvin Klein underwear ad 110 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 4: or something. A lot of I think the word might 111 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 4: be homo erotic vibes here. 112 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 3: There's some eroticism to it, apparently, like the father of 113 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 3: the patriarch or grandfather if you wish, is behind his son, 114 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 3: holding him with both arms along as midriff, and the 115 00:07:55,880 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 3: youngest male talmage is hold his father's right arm with 116 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 3: his head leaning on his father's shoulder. I'm gonna stop 117 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 3: sharing that one so that we don't all continue staring 118 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 3: at it. 119 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 4: Can I just add those two that both of the 120 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 4: younger talmage's nips are fully erect, just putting that out 121 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 4: the context. 122 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 5: It is weird to think like each one is recursively 123 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 5: made from the other one's sperm, right, It's kind of strange. 124 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 4: And then just I don't know, we're hot depending on Okay, 125 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 4: I never mind too much. 126 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 3: Sorry, No, I understand you, man, because the it is 127 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 3: strange and general to think about the way human reproduction works. 128 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 3: But this guy, our main character, Brian Johnson, is only 129 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 3: forty five years old. He made a ton of money 130 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 3: when he was thirty, and ever since then he has 131 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 3: been spending millions of dollars a year, an average of 132 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 3: two million dollars US a year on a quest for 133 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 3: eternal not life life, but eternal youth. And he has 134 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 3: his son, Talmach is seventeen years old. Obviously, all three 135 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 3: of the guys in this family are consenting to this arrangement, 136 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 3: and the idea is that they are going to be 137 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 3: able to somehow put some higher octane gas into the 138 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 3: function of their organs, possibly the cognitive functions of the brain, 139 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 3: possibly functions of the central nervous system. But when I'm 140 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 3: looking at this guy, I think, when we're all looking 141 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 3: at this guy not being a doctor or something, and 142 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 3: it doesn't look like he's getting younger. It doesn't look 143 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 3: like he's using a superpower. It looks like he is, 144 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 3: you know, he got that Rich Berston shined. He looks 145 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 3: like regularly. 146 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 4: It looks his age. 147 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 2: It makes me think of in movies. 148 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 4: You can always tell when there's like some miraculous cure 149 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 4: of the going to happen in a movie, because why 150 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 4: is that actor wearing old man makeup? Oh, so they 151 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 4: can slowly take it off throughout the course of the 152 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 4: film so you can see them, you know, regain their youth. 153 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 4: Whether through some witchcraft or scientific remedy. That's what it 154 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 4: makes me think of. 155 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 3: Agreed, It's kind of like the rom com move, which 156 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 3: is such a trope where whenever you see a protagonist 157 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 3: in a rom com who has glasses and her hair 158 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 3: pulled back, you know that she's supposed to be mousey, 159 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 3: no matter how actually beautiful she is. And then gradually 160 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 3: at some point the glasses get removed. It's very I 161 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 3: don't know, somewhat condescending to viewers. 162 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 5: No, but I see it does feel like the guy 163 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 5: just has a skin care regiment or something. That's what 164 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 5: I'm seeing in the picture. 165 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's called it's called rubbing blood over your face? 166 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 4: Is it not how the blood is administered? This is 167 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 4: not how the blood is administered. 168 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: That's right. They boof it, so they don't poof it. 169 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 3: I see, fellow listeners see, I see the guys shaking 170 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 3: their heads. All right, Well, no, I say we leave 171 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 3: it in. 172 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 4: I was waggling my eyebrows for the record. 173 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 3: Who feeds a funny joke? So and a real thing 174 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 3: that a Supreme Court justice did. So. The interesting thing 175 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 3: about this, the reason when to bring this up, is 176 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 3: because it can make some ephemeral headlines, and then it 177 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 3: can quickly disappear. If you want to read more about this, 178 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 3: do go to blueprint dot Brian Johnson dot coo. Brian 179 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 3: Johnson has an entire website about his As you said, Matt, 180 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 3: his regiment, and his regiment is pretty extensive. It's the 181 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 3: kind of thing that most people cannot afford in terms 182 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 3: of both financial concerns and just the amount of hours 183 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 3: they have in a day. And we run into this 184 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 3: a lot when we see celebrities or when we see 185 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 3: world leaders who who are just absolutely yoked, you know, 186 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 3: or they're ripped, and they're you know, as you said, Matt, 187 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 3: their skin looks great, their hair looks great. It's usually 188 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 3: because they have a team that is entirely paid to 189 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 3: make them look that way. And I think we've all 190 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 3: we've all run into this before, you know. 191 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 4: I mean, I've been investing lately in a regiment of 192 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 4: some time with a personal trainer, literally thirty forty five minutes, 193 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 4: three times a week. And I do this because if 194 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 4: I didn't, I wouldn't work out, I wouldn't go. I 195 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 4: need to be beholden to somebody, and to me, that 196 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 4: is worth the money. But this is like one person 197 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 4: that I'm paying three days a week to work out 198 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 4: with and not and I would not constitute a team. 199 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 4: But you know, we're talking folks that are working with 200 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 4: somebody every day, multiple times. Sometimes they have a live 201 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 4: in person, you know, not to mention hair and makeup 202 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 4: and all of the skincare stuff. I mean, yeah, you're 203 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 4: talking folks that are at the beck and call of 204 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 4: these types of individuals. 205 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 3: And Matt and I both have, I suspect our own 206 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 3: kind of personal I don't want to call you out, Matt, 207 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 3: but I've got my own personal sort of clock or 208 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 3: schedule of stuff that I do, which has all been 209 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 3: messed up by movie. But there is a world in 210 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 3: which this kind of science or pseudoscience becomes normalized again 211 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 3: if you listen to our Modern Vampires episode. Also, yes, 212 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 3: we know the stuff about Elizabeth Bathory bathing in the 213 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 3: blood of virgins is probably propaganda that was meant to 214 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 3: disenfranchise her in the political sphere of her time. But 215 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 3: if you look at this, what we can see is 216 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 3: that more and more people are going to jump onto this. 217 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 3: They're going to jump onto the idea that this particular 218 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:12,359 Speaker 3: brand of biotech thomaturgy will be somehow beneficial. And without 219 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 3: a long term study of this, we don't know how 220 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 3: it works out. But I would like to go on 221 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 3: record thanking Brian Johnson when we none of us have 222 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 3: ever met, for kind of hacking the idea of a 223 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 3: longitudinal study. You know, it's a three generation study that's 224 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 3: happening in real time. He says that he is now 225 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 3: as a result of Project Blueprint and this blood plasma 226 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 3: transfusion with his son. He is claiming that he has 227 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 3: experienced an epigenetic age reversal of a little over five 228 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 3: years and that he, as a forty five year old 229 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 3: human male, now has quote the heart of a thirty 230 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 3: seven year old and a lifetime ban from the hospital. Kidding, kidding, 231 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 3: that's an old joke. I don't know what do you 232 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 3: guys think, Like, would you this is a question we 233 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 3: posed before, would you consider if it was entirely consensual? 234 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 3: Would you consider this kind of procedure or regimen if 235 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 3: you were in your early fifties or something. 236 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 4: No, I don't think so, not for me. I also 237 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 4: don't like needles. Transfusions really freak me out. 238 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 5: If it's something where if I knew it was going 239 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 5: to help like my one of my parents and some 240 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 5: of their health issues, then I would like advocate for it, 241 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 5: probably for them. But I think unless I found myself 242 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 5: in a situation where it was a real health issue 243 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 5: that I thought could be aided by this process, I 244 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 5: probably wouldn't want to do it. 245 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 3: That's a good point. Yeah, I think about that as well. 246 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 3: Like if we're in a situation where I could help 247 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 3: someone who needed help, then of course I would. I 248 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 3: would be first in line. If it was something where 249 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 3: I was asking for help from someone or being kind 250 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 3: of imperialistic about this, like you, young broke person, give me 251 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 3: your blood, then that feels self aggrandizing, you know. But 252 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 3: then again to your point, Matt, if there is if 253 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 3: there's something where you have perhaps a terminal genetic condition 254 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 3: or a debilitating genetic condition, and some sort of transfusion 255 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 3: could save your life, then it just becomes the bone 256 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 3: marrow donation conversation all over again, right, I think that 257 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 3: makes sense. Anyway, We are not sponsored by vampires or 258 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 3: blood merchants, as I hope they come to be called, 259 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 3: but we do want to hear your thoughts because these 260 00:16:55,880 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 3: are some pretty deep questions. Would you do your blood 261 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 3: to an older person that you know if you knew 262 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 3: and could prove that doing so would expand their quality 263 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 3: of life and extend their biological life? Would you take 264 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 3: blood from someone else if you felt like it would 265 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 3: keep you in your prime for a longer amount of time? 266 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 3: Can't wait to hear from you. We're going to take 267 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 3: a pause for a word from our sponsors, and we 268 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 3: will be back with more strange news. 269 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 5: All right, and we're back, guys. Before we get into 270 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 5: the story, has anyone tried to log into Netflix today? 271 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 2: By chance? Not today? 272 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 4: What's up? 273 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 3: They put the hammer down? 274 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,479 Speaker 5: They did put the hammer down today as we record 275 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 5: this on Wednesday, May twenty fourth, all those accounts that 276 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 5: you share are the one that you log into. 277 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 2: It's sorry, it's over. 278 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 5: Playtime is over, as well as probably Netflix profit share 279 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 5: for at least a time. 280 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 4: So now it's some kind of like two factor situation, 281 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 4: right or like you can, I believe, authorize it on 282 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 4: two of your own devices, but even that requires. 283 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 5: A little bit of you know, gotta be the same household. 284 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 5: Can't be a phone and a tablet in two different locations. 285 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 2: Watch out, they're coming for you. 286 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 5: You may have to pay up to twenty dollars a 287 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 5: month if you want premium, I think plus eight dollars 288 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 5: per other household or account or whatever. Anyway, it's gonna 289 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 5: be nuts for a while in the Netflix world. So 290 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 5: we'll see what happens there. But that's not what our 291 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 5: primary story is for this segment. We are going to 292 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 5: the Indian River County Jail. Indian River County Jail. Your 293 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 5: Fort Lauderdale, Florida, guys, who got a story of a 294 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 5: jail break today, I'll give you the I'll give you 295 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 5: the title here spoil it a little bit. Millionaires elaborate 296 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 5: jail escape plan foiled, Florida sheriff says, and that sheriff 297 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 5: is Indian River County Sheriff Eric Flowers. He gave a 298 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 5: press conference this past Monday, as we record today about 299 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 5: this situation, this development. Let's say, you guys, know we 300 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 5: I think we all enjoy a good jail escape plan, 301 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 5: especially when it's gone like horribly wrong or incredibly right, 302 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 5: you know, or is an absolute show. Well, this is 303 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 5: kind of in the middle here a little bit. 304 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: Guys. 305 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 5: There was a rather elaborate escape plan put together by 306 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 5: this person. His name is John Manchek, m A n c. 307 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 2: Ch Ec. 308 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 5: This person has a lot of money, is quite wealthy, 309 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 5: and he basically employed a bunch of people to do 310 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 5: a bunch of things to get him out of jail, 311 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 5: and his plan was to escape to France, where he 312 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 5: has a castle. 313 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 3: And France has quite a track record of not extraditing 314 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 3: known criminals convicted of a specific genre of terrible offense. 315 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 2: Right, well, would that be been? 316 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 3: Well, that would be The proper term is CSAM child 317 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 3: sexual abuse material, sometimes called child pornography. But that's obviously 318 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 3: that's obviously not a great way to describe such a 319 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 3: horrific thing. 320 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, that is the thing that this person, John Manchek, 321 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 5: was attempting to escape because guess what, he's done it before. 322 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 5: He has escaped to France before on charges of those 323 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 5: depictions of horrible images of children. This man is seventy 324 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 5: eight years old, and I don't know, I guess. The 325 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 5: only fun thing about the stories the escape plan. The 326 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 5: guy is clearly a piece of crap. The man is 327 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 5: charged with some horrible, horrible things, which if true, my god, no, 328 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 5: thank you, go away forever. But he did have some 329 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 5: interesting ideas, Oh god, that sounds horrible to say. He 330 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 5: put together a real plan. Okay, so let's go over this. 331 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 5: The plan begins with a doctor's appointment where this guy 332 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 5: is supposed to leave the jail where he's being kept 333 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 5: right now before because he hasn't stood trial for these 334 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 5: things yet, right he's just in the jail, he's not 335 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 5: in the prison. Plan is to go out on this 336 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 5: doctor's appointment, and then some of his associates who are 337 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 5: currently not in prison, would basically accost assault the prison 338 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 5: guards or the jail guards that would be with him. 339 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 5: Plan was to pepper spray them and I guess while 340 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 5: they were incapacitated, abscond with the many eight year old dude, 341 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 5: and then get in a van, drive that van to 342 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 5: I believe. I think it was either a yacht or 343 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 5: a plane. 344 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 2: A plane and a. 345 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 5: Yacht were both involved in this escape plan, get him 346 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 5: to one of those things, set off, and eventually end 347 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 5: up at his castle in France. It just seems insane 348 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 5: to me. 349 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 3: And and you know, unfortunately, there's the Roman Polansky precedent. 350 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 3: This ap article that you linked us to, Matt shows 351 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 3: that France had previously denied US request for extradition terrible 352 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 3: job France. I can't even I can't even perform sarcasm 353 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 3: on that. You guys really shit the bag on that one. 354 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 3: But so he escaped once or kind of like weaseled 355 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 3: out once, and then he got arrested again. And this 356 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 3: was his this was his attempt to prison break or 357 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 3: conduct a heist on himself. 358 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 5: Yes, I'll go ahead, read you from this AP news 359 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 5: article written by Frida Frizaro on Tuesday, May twenty third. 360 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 5: Manchek was arrested in twenty fourteen on forty nine child 361 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 5: pornography charges. Flowers said he left the country to avoid 362 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 5: prosecution after posting a nearly five hundred thousand dollars bond 363 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 5: and moved to his This is what it says, medieval 364 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 5: estate in southern France, the Chateau Petregal. 365 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 3: I pulled up the picture of it. I hate to 366 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 3: say it. It is swank. 367 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 4: It is like the place, the castle or whatever, like 368 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 4: Epstein Island level swank. 369 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 2: Ben's sharing an image with us right now. 370 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 4: Oh boy, let's see it. Yeah, it's very Robin Hoodie. 371 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, like Sheriff of Nottinghamy, you know, 372 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 4: Prince John E. 373 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, is that a parapet Is that what you 374 00:23:59,320 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 5: would call that? 375 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, we can defend themselves from invading arm and arrows. 376 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 3: This looks like look at the windows here. This is 377 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 3: built such that you could pour hot oil on evading hords. 378 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 3: Is It's crazy. So this guy is seventy eight years old. 379 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 4: You just want to add I have a feeling that 380 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 4: the interior is modern and megaswank probably. 381 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there are pictures of the interior as well. 382 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 5: But well, let's get back to that time in twenty 383 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 5: fourteen when he was charged with those forty nine counts 384 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 5: and then he escaped to France. France wouldn't do anything. 385 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 5: They would not extrade him even though he's facing those charges. However, 386 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 5: he took a trip to the Dominican Republic in twenty 387 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 5: twenty where he was picked up and sent to Florida, 388 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 5: and that's where he's been. He's been hanging out in 389 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 5: jail basically waiting for his time in court or whatever, 390 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 5: his trial date and all of that stuff. And he 391 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 5: was quote suffering from chronic medical conditions, which again kind 392 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 5: of led down this lane to developing a plan to 393 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 5: get sent to a doctor's appointment where he he actually 394 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 5: had a couple of people working within the jail. They 395 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 5: were going to assist in the plan. His roommate, I 396 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 5: guess in jail, his sally. He paid for that guy. 397 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 5: He helped that guy out, gave him a bunch of money, 398 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 5: and then allowed him to stay at his house after 399 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 5: his cellmate got out. And then the cellmate was basically 400 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 5: on the other side of the wall planning this the 401 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 5: rest of the stuff being his fixer or something like that. 402 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 3: WHNCH goes to, like what you were saying earlier, the 403 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 3: purchase of vehicles, the use of his I think he 404 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 3: already owned the yacht. 405 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 2: Right m hm, and a plane in a plane okay. 406 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 3: And so this person who has not been identified publicly yet, 407 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 3: this this other cellmate, they were they were bought into 408 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 3: the concernspiracy. I assume that they are back in jail. 409 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 2: Oh yes, uh never. 410 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 5: I don't think ever got to leave or even attempt 411 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 5: the escape plan because somebody came forward with an anonymous 412 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 5: tip like, hey, guys, you know that weird old guy, 413 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 5: like really weird old guy. Messed up dude, he's like 414 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 5: trying to get out of prison, and here's the plan. 415 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 5: And there was a cell phone that was recovered or 416 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 5: found I guess discovered. And there are a bunch of 417 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 5: text messages from this dude mancheck and like going out 418 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 5: to these various parties, and they all use the term 419 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 5: quote paint job when referring to what was going to 420 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 5: go down. 421 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, it's a super gross specific case, but 422 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 3: that kind of opsect is common, right. 423 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And it is interesting that this ap article 424 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 5: and I guess the Sheriff's department refers to his co 425 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 5: conspirators as employees because he literally just had enough money 426 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 5: where he just paid people and they were working for him. Right, 427 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 5: It's like having underlings or something, you know. 428 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,479 Speaker 3: Question question for you, Matt. Does that mean that, uh 429 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 3: is the choice to call them employees which is accurate 430 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 3: at the very least of their contractors, right? Does the 431 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 3: choice to call them employees maybe have some legal ramifications? 432 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 3: Like this is entirely speculation on my on my part, 433 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 3: But does that enable them to push further charges or 434 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 3: something of that need? Maybe I'm curious. 435 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 5: Well, I also wonder how it affects those individuals, right, 436 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 5: because I don't know the legal arguments for I was 437 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 5: being paid by my employer to do you know, X, 438 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 5: Y and Z preparing the yacht or something. 439 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 2: I had no idea. 440 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 5: Maybe they could argue, I had no idea that it 441 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 5: was actually meant as an escape plan. I thought he 442 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 5: just asked me, you know, he prepares yacht. I thought 443 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 5: he just needed me to refuel his plane. 444 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 3: Or sometimes people want you to buy a van, you 445 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 3: know what I mean. It's a gig a con. 446 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,959 Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's weird how that like positioning it 447 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 5: as employee boss employee relationship kind of thing is very 448 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 5: different than just a co conspirator in a plot to 449 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 5: you know, get this guy out of prison. 450 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 2: It's interesting. 451 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 3: I'm still now I'm looking at how he made his fortune. 452 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 3: Aro Shade Technologies a ro O, the leader in sun 453 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 3: protection and light control for aerospace. 454 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 2: What. 455 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how he That's how he became a multimillionaire. 456 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 3: Oh and the company is still up. They sell like 457 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 3: sun visors for cars and stuff, but their emphasis seems 458 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 3: to be on private planes. 459 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 2: Weird. 460 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 3: Weird dude. 461 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 5: Well, maybe we need to look deeper into this guy 462 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 5: and the company and all that stuff, because there's shades of, 463 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 5: you know, some kind of villain here in a Marvel. 464 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 3: Movie or something. Oh. Absolutely, agreed, and they might not 465 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 3: have caught them at all unless it had not one 466 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 3: of those conspirators come forward. 467 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, this would have been a very different story. Today, 468 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 5: a millionaire child exploiter gets to France again for the 469 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 5: second time. 470 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 3: Jesus Christ France. You know what I mean? 471 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I do, I really really do. Okay, Well, 472 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 5: that's it for this segment. We'll be right back with 473 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 5: more strange news. 474 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 4: And we have retired with one more piece of strange news, 475 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 4: this one regarding the genre of Latin American music known 476 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 4: as narco corridos. We've talked about it in our coverage 477 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 4: of cartel violence various subjects, you know, surrounding Mexico and 478 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 4: the US Mexico border. Kind of you know, usually thought 479 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 4: of as folk song sort of ballads, you know, singing, 480 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 4: maybe not not always the praises, but at the very 481 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 4: least chronicling the exploits of well known drug runners and 482 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 4: drug cartel bosses, criminals, you know, and the narco and 483 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 4: there specifically refers to refers to drugs, you know, and 484 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 4: drug traffickers. And it's interesting because, you know, if you're 485 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 4: familiar with Mexican drug culture and the history thereof then 486 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 4: you know, of course about Pablo Escobar and Median and 487 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 4: how oftentimes you know, in this country which has very 488 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 4: very poor parts, there is a certain benevolence bestowed upon 489 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 4: the communities by these drug lords, you know, and so 490 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 4: consequently they are often looked at with a certain amount 491 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 4: of reverence, or at least historically that is the case. 492 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 4: Am I characterizing that right? 493 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 2: Guys? 494 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 3: I think there's a bit of deification. I mean, obviously 495 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 3: Mexican cartels may cooperate or collaborate with cartels from other countries, 496 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 3: like the Escobar medayin operations, but yeah, there is you know, 497 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 3: it's similar to gangster rap. It's similar to the old 498 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 3: school ballads glorifying wild West outlaws in the United States. 499 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 3: And I'll say, like, I've been in places where I've 500 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 3: seen those songs played and their kids singing along. It's 501 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 3: like a it's a family event. A lot of them 502 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 3: are catchy. But I think, you know, Nola, you nailed it. 503 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 3: The lyrics, the message of the music often sort of 504 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 3: commemorates these very messed up things, right. Sometimes the protagonist 505 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 3: of the of the song is portrayed as a person 506 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 3: with a good heart fighting the system which is a 507 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 3: little bit, a little bit sanitized, a little bit airbrushed 508 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 3: exactly right. 509 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 4: And then this is a pretty historical concept. I mean 510 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 4: there's even like if you go to any shops Trare 511 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 4: in an area that has sort of like Mexican shops 512 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 4: that sell some of those saint candles and various acutremala 513 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 4: goes on in this one called Jesus Malverde, which is 514 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 4: known as the Angel of the Poor, the Generous Bandit, 515 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 4: or the narco Saint. And this is an individual who 516 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 4: was actually born in eighteen seventy and died in nineteen 517 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 4: oh nine. So there is this kind of, like you said, 518 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 4: been deification of these folks, and that extends to these 519 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 4: narco corrido songs. And you mentioned gangster rap, and that's 520 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 4: also its own thing that's starting to gain popularity in Mexico. 521 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 4: The narco curritos are a little bit more kind of 522 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 4: dance music. There are some that are more traditional and 523 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 4: on the folky side. But as we have also discussed 524 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 4: in recent times, was once kind of this white sand beach, 525 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 4: clear blue ocean resort city of Cancun. You know, it 526 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 4: almost was a cliche. You talk about taking your senior 527 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 4: trip to cancuon spring break, you know, and all that stuff. 528 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 4: It has become more and more dangerous with all of 529 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 4: this cartel violence, and to the point where, you know, 530 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 4: some of the folks that maybe would have considered vacationing 531 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,479 Speaker 4: there giving it a second thought. And the government of 532 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 4: Cancun is taking action, but it might not be the 533 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 4: kind of action that we might believe to be the 534 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 4: most effective in actually curtailing drug violence. Vice news writer 535 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 4: Nathaniel Janowitz recently published an article titled Cancun is banning 536 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 4: narco concerts as violence sores. He specifically refers to a 537 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 4: handful of artists El Commander, Grupo Fairmey l Millionaro, and 538 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 4: al Lemon, and the last two are actually more or 539 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 4: gangster rap in the gangster rap genre that's kind of 540 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 4: coming up there in Mexico actually gaining some crossover success 541 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 4: here in the States with some I believe Alamon, if 542 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 4: I'm hopefully I'm pronouncing that right has done some collaborations 543 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 4: with be Real of Cyprus Hill and also Snoop Dogg. 544 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 4: Let's start with what's happening specifically with these more traditional 545 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 4: narco corrido singers who are hugely popular, they are said, 546 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 4: the government is saying that their music is straight up 547 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 4: promoting violence. And you know, we've been through all of 548 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 4: this here in the States, you know, with gangster rap, 549 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,879 Speaker 4: with Marilyn Manson, with you know, congressional committees that are 550 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 4: put together to kind of censor this stuff or at 551 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 4: least create sort of an uproar as to you know, 552 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 4: what this music is doing to the kids. While there 553 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 4: certainly was gang violence in places like New York and 554 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 4: Los Angeles, certainly nothing to the level of the kinds 555 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 4: of cartel massacres, you know, know, and just absolutely atrocious 556 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 4: acts that we read about happening in Mexico and in 557 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 4: some of the places where drug cartels basically are more 558 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 4: powerful than the government. So it's interesting that the government would, 559 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 4: or specifically the general secretary of the Cancun City Council, 560 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 4: a man by the name of Jorge Aguilar Osario, said 561 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 4: in a video statement on Twitter, quote, we will not 562 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 4: continue to allow people to promote apologizing for violence. Of course, 563 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 4: you respect freedom of expression, but we cannot continue to 564 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 4: encourage events that promote violence. 565 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 3: Be goes on. 566 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 4: Public shows should not promote any type of violence, and unfortunately, 567 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 4: we have that incidence every time there are these types 568 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 4: of concerts. Have not seen any follow ups in this 569 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 4: article or in other sources that I looked at, citing 570 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 4: specific instances of like how these concerts are the cause 571 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 4: of the violence. And just to clarify the beginning of 572 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 4: that quote, the idea of apologizing for violence, I believe 573 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 4: this is a translation. I think maybe is sort of 574 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 4: referring to the idea of being a violence apologist, you know, 575 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 4: like sort of justifying violence, and that is often what 576 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 4: happens in some of these songs, particularly one by l Commander, 577 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 4: who is the author of one of the most kind 578 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 4: of controversial narco credo songs called Sanguinarios del m One, 579 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 4: which translates to m One's bloodthirsty guys. So, I mean, 580 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 4: these songs really and truly do glorify the actions of 581 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 4: these folks. And oftentimes there's even another genre, kind of 582 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 4: a more specific genre that goes even further in describing 583 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 4: ultra violence perpetrated by some of these gangs, very specific gangs, 584 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 4: and this subgenre is known as move amiento alterrado, and 585 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 4: the Vice article specifically refers to to lyrics describing very 586 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 4: specific acts of violence against civilians and against enemies of 587 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:12,280 Speaker 4: these gangs, such as beheadings, burning people alive, and things 588 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 4: like that. There's a lyric from al commander that says, 589 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 4: we're the best at making people disappear. Always in a caravan, 590 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 4: all my homies well armored, armed and ready to execute. 591 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 4: On the one hand, it is a challenge to freedom 592 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 4: of speech. On the other hand, desperate times call for 593 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 4: desperate measures. I kind of just wanted to bring it 594 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 4: to the group, you know, like, is this a situation 595 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 4: where it is appropriate to limit speech? Is this hate speech? 596 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 4: Is this speech inciting in a way that's somehow different 597 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 4: than the gangster rap of the nineties, you know, in 598 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 4: the uproar around that, or things like Marilyn Manson and 599 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 4: death Metal supposedly causing violent actions, etc. 600 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 3: Exactly. Yeah, well, I guess yes, that's a great question. 601 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 3: So to respond to that, one of the things we 602 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,320 Speaker 3: would I think it's smart to look at precedents and 603 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 3: other cultures. We should also acknowledge, without casting aspersion on 604 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 3: the authorities in Cancun, that it is much easier to 605 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 3: ban a concert and entertainment genre than it is to 606 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 3: address the systemic causes of the horrors perpetrated by the cartels, 607 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 3: or the reason that the drug traffic trade became so profitable, 608 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,319 Speaker 3: so powerful in the first place. And look again, as 609 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 3: I said earlier, I am very much in a class house. 610 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 3: Here bump some narco corrido stuff, just like I bumped 611 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 3: some activist rap that might be found controversial. Right in 612 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 3: the world of hip hop, you know, immortal technique is 613 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 3: not for everybody, as we can confirm, and there are 614 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 3: there is this history in the world of music and 615 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,879 Speaker 3: entertainment of this idea of speaking truth to power. Right, 616 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 3: But with all that, with all those coveats, you know, 617 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,240 Speaker 3: it does sound like from what you're telling us, based 618 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,240 Speaker 3: with this vice article, it does sound like the authorities 619 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 3: are acting, as you said, out of kind of a desperation. 620 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 3: Maybe the cartels are too powerful to fight, so let's 621 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,479 Speaker 3: not I mean, Also, these are politicians, right, No one 622 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:37,399 Speaker 3: wants a brutal attack on tourists to occur under their 623 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 3: watch if they could have prevented it. So logically, whatever 624 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 3: the motivation may be, it does make sense, right, like 625 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,359 Speaker 3: do what you can, I. 626 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 4: Suppose so, and again I'd like to hear a little 627 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,879 Speaker 4: and maybe it's irrelevant I'd like to hear a little 628 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 4: bit more about some of the specific acts that are 629 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 4: being referred to by the folks in charge that are 630 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 4: banning these concerts. Get it, Maybe it is sort of 631 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 4: like putting their foot down on as much as they 632 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 4: can and not spreading, you know, an ideology that they 633 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 4: disagree with or one that that goes, you know, against 634 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 4: their notions of peace and nonviolence. You know, there's another 635 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 4: the governor of another kind of beachfront area nearby, Quintana 636 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 4: Rouze the name of the town, and MARAA. Lizama is 637 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 4: the person saying this, we promote peace, a culture of 638 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,799 Speaker 4: values and family, non violence and the rejection of destructive attitudes. 639 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 2: So I get. 640 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it's sort of a symbolic act, 641 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 4: I think. 642 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 3: More than anything symbolic or performative. 643 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 4: That's the thing though, right to me, it's a little 644 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 4: I'm leaning towards I'm trying to give them the benefit 645 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,879 Speaker 4: of the doubt by using the word symbolic, because these 646 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 4: things do have power, but they're not gonna they're not 647 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,240 Speaker 4: gonna do anything. They're just gonna piss the cartel people 648 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 4: off more of anything. 649 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 3: Well, a lot of those again just you know what, 650 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 3: I'll say it. Some people make it mad, but a 651 00:40:55,120 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 3: lot of the like so called gangster rap, called gangster 652 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,800 Speaker 3: hip hop and so on, those folks aren't the real people. 653 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:05,439 Speaker 2: No. 654 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 3: You know, Freeway, who is an amazing lyricist, is not 655 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 3: the same as Freeway Rick Ross, and the most popular 656 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 3: Rick Ross in that musical genre used to work in 657 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 3: the prison system on the staff. Like these folks are 658 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,319 Speaker 3: they are entertainers, they're barred, they are performers. And we 659 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 3: see a lot of the well known narco corrido artist saying, hey, 660 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 3: we're just entertaining. We are creating something enjoyable. People are 661 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,919 Speaker 3: paying us a ticket price and we want to make 662 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,800 Speaker 3: good on that. There's a great quote in this article 663 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 3: you found well by one of the more prominent entertainers 664 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,879 Speaker 3: in the genre, a Laman, and a Laman I think 665 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 3: Alaman makes a very valid point about the wholesomeness or 666 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,879 Speaker 3: the community and the entertainment value of the whole thing. 667 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, and again, this guy's more on the gangster rapp 668 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 4: tip of this whole debate here. So you could argue, well, 669 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 4: let's let's just hear it from directly from him, and 670 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 4: this is what he argues. At my shows there are 671 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,799 Speaker 4: children who always get on stage to break dance with me. 672 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,240 Speaker 4: We come to have a good time and not hurt anyone. 673 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,800 Speaker 4: I've always spoken to them and my songs about getting ahead, 674 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,920 Speaker 4: looking for success, looking for a better quality of life. Truthfully, 675 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,239 Speaker 4: I feel that this law that they have here is 676 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,799 Speaker 4: imposed against freedom of expression. 677 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 2: So there you go, And. 678 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,839 Speaker 3: A question that will come up in one of our 679 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:36,240 Speaker 3: future episodes about books spoiler alert. When you ban one 680 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 3: kind of music, you ban one song, does it not 681 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 3: open a door to banning everything else. 682 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 4: Any of The short of answer is yes, yeah, I 683 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 4: don't know. 684 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:45,879 Speaker 3: Matt. 685 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 4: Do you have any anything to add before we close 686 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 4: out this one? 687 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,320 Speaker 5: I had so many thoughts you guys, but my network 688 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 5: got taken out by the hackers. 689 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,840 Speaker 2: No, just joking, it's just one of them. 690 00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 5: But no, I'm kind of leaning towards stuff. The Ben 691 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 5: was saying about it being more of a gesture than 692 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 5: anything else, but it is competing profit motives, right. All 693 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 5: the people were talking about the places that want to 694 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,720 Speaker 5: ban the music. They want tourism, They need those tourist dollars. 695 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 5: They need it to be safe, they need it to 696 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 5: feel safe more than anything right, got to feel safe, 697 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 5: and if they can somehow reduce some surface level thing 698 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 5: that might give someone coming in pause, then yeah, they're 699 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,399 Speaker 5: probably gonna do it and continue to do that kind 700 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 5: of thing. 701 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 4: And just you know, let's be clear, we're not talking 702 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 4: about hundreds of American and European tourists being you know, 703 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 4: executed on mass I think there's another story on a 704 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,360 Speaker 4: Vice by Jeff ERNs. The headline says it all Narco 705 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 4: Hittman on jet skis sprayed at Cancun Beach with bullets, 706 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,759 Speaker 4: killing two people. And I've read about the death of 707 00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 4: Los Angelino and a European individual I believe, And so 708 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 4: you know, we're not talking about massive amounts of casualties here, 709 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 4: but that doesn't matter because one or two is going 710 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 4: to be enough to make people change their vacation plants. 711 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 2: And so to ban these events. 712 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,319 Speaker 4: May to your point, Matt, feel more like. 713 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,239 Speaker 2: The illusion of safety. 714 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 4: Are that where you don't support all this, See we're 715 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,239 Speaker 4: banning these shows, therefore everything's cool, But it doesn't necessarily 716 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 4: mean everything's cool, and nothing you can do is going 717 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,080 Speaker 4: to stop the cartels from doing what the cartels are 718 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 4: going to do. Sort of like all out war, and 719 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 4: frankly they're more armed than the government. 720 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,360 Speaker 5: In some cases, For me, it's an illusion of fear 721 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,360 Speaker 5: and an illusion of safety. 722 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,000 Speaker 2: Right, it's very much just. 723 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,240 Speaker 5: Where you are going to be and what you're doing, 724 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,359 Speaker 5: often right, except for a very rare chance where that's 725 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 5: when you're in danger. 726 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 3: But I think it was most deef who said there's 727 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 3: hunger in the streets and it's hard to defeat. Some 728 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,040 Speaker 3: steal for fun, but more steel to eat. Usually when 729 00:44:55,120 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 3: there's an operation targeting the vulnerable, right, it is is 730 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,759 Speaker 3: it is a profit motive, or in some cases it 731 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:09,000 Speaker 3: is to send an ideological message. It is true that 732 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:15,640 Speaker 3: murders and acts of violence robbery have accelerated in parts 733 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,520 Speaker 3: of Mexico, but that is also true in many other 734 00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,040 Speaker 3: parts of the world. And sometimes US media gets this 735 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,720 Speaker 3: wrong because they love to they love to be fearmongers 736 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,440 Speaker 3: about any other sort, any sort of other I should say, 737 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,760 Speaker 3: but I think this is a really interesting conversation. Maybe 738 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 3: something we continue in an episode. 739 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 4: I certainly think so, and thank you both for your 740 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 4: thoughtful responses. But yeah, I think that that's a good 741 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,279 Speaker 4: place to put a pin in this one for now, 742 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,840 Speaker 4: and hopefully we can dig a little deeper in a 743 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 4: future episode. 744 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 3: Also again, some Narco Corrido songs absolutely objectively slap and 745 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,680 Speaker 3: music has always been Music has always been a way 746 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,080 Speaker 3: for society to hold a mirror to itself, as is 747 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,080 Speaker 3: the role of all art. We can't wait to hear 748 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,040 Speaker 3: what you think, folks. Tell us more about prison escapes 749 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 3: planned or successful. Tell us what you think is up 750 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,920 Speaker 3: with France and their weird refusal to extradite terrible people, 751 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 3: and let us know what you would what you would 752 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:26,440 Speaker 3: do regarding modern vampirism and blood transfusions. We can't wait 753 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,600 Speaker 3: to hear from you. As always, we try to be 754 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,440 Speaker 3: easy to find online, to find on a phone, et cetera, 755 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:33,960 Speaker 3: et cetera. 756 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, Online, you can give us a holler at the 757 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:43,000 Speaker 4: handle Conspiracy Stuff on Twitter, YouTube and Facebook. 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