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Speaker 2: of course, with Courtney Armstrong and Body Moven on this

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Speaker 3: So hi ladies, Hello, Happy Monday. Happy Monday. Tekend I

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Speaker 3: got a case of the Mondays too, dude, I am three.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, if you want a visual, I'm feeling

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Speaker 4: a little blue tonight. I happen to be wearing a

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Speaker 5: Ye.

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Speaker 3: This is like a little blue bear. Yeah you do listen.

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Speaker 4: This is this really is my best part of the day.

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Speaker 4: So I'm so happy to see all your face. I'm

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Speaker 4: happy to see you guys. I feel like I haven't

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Speaker 3: It seems that way. I feel like a lot keeps happening.

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Speaker 5: Well, it was just like a long weekend with everything

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's going quick, it's going quick. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know where should we Where should we begin tonight?

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Speaker 4: Courtney Armstrong, do tell yeah, let's get into the trial

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Speaker 4: of Colin Gray.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think this is the most important

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Speaker 4: Honestly, it is going to whatever the results are will

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Speaker 3: So this is as body said, want.

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Speaker 6: Hi, this was Nancy from Connecticut. And believe me, I

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Speaker 6: am not condoning anything that this father or son did. Granted,

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Speaker 6: you can say, we're recommending therapy. Who's going to pay

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Speaker 6: for therapy? Is very expensive? It's the school recommends that

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Speaker 3: Says great question? That is.

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Speaker 5: That's a that's a fair point, right, Like, therapy is

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And and we we do know from previous testimony

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Speaker 4: that the father, Colin Gray, some of his Google searches

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Speaker 3: And where so if it.

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Speaker 5: Didn't mom like try to set up some therapy and

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Speaker 4: That is it direct according to what the mom, what

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Speaker 4: mom and dad were living separately, as yeah, many families do,

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Speaker 3: And dad's part.

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Speaker 4: There were a lot of difficulties just to set the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like dad's going to have to take

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Speaker 2: Again, as a parent, you hate to pile on but boy,

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Speaker 2: Your child an a legal weapon underage and not have

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Speaker 3: All that to be said, it's a tough spot.

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Speaker 2: get tried for this. It's murder and you know, unfortunately

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Speaker 2: they have to do the time. You can't imagine how

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Speaker 2: how guilty they must feel. You know, no doubt this father,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he took the hands off the wheel.

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Speaker 2: And that's why it's so important that we even talk

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Speaker 2: not that we're the source, but at least the conversation

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Speaker 2: at least maybe bring some therapy into it or something,

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Speaker 2: because our caller is right, therapy can be really hard

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I wanted to get into some of the testimony

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Speaker 4: that happened. So the defense there was one witness, one

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Speaker 3: That was it.

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Speaker 4: So in his testimony, what he says is that he

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Speaker 4: gave his son the rifle as a Christmas gift in

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Speaker 4: a whole other site of cult I didn't know existed.

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Speaker 3: Could I have done better?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Could I have done more? I see that now, So

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Speaker 3: a couple of other things. You know, this struck me.

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Speaker 4: He said he was quote learning on the fly, raising

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Speaker 4: therapy and mental health care for his son. He broke

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Speaker 4: To your point, Stephanie, he had tried to protect a son,

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Speaker 4: and he maintained he had no knowledge that his son

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Speaker 3: But can we impact that for a moment.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel a little empathy for him, Like you're

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Speaker 5: But wasn't there a split custody arrangement. Didn't he just

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Speaker 4: The living situation was such that he only his son

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Speaker 5: So he had custody, full time custody or whatever of

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Speaker 5: the school, right all. Yeah, And he's saying that he

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Speaker 3: He did a Google search.

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Speaker 5: But I can do a Google search, you know, and like,

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Speaker 5: that's not trying but to our.

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Speaker 3: You know, again, I'm not defending him.

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Speaker 2: I do think he's going to have to be the

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Speaker 2: I'm curious how this will shake out. But all that

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Speaker 3: You're flying by the seat of the pants.

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Speaker 2: And this guy is admitting, like look, he was grading

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Speaker 3: He was he didn't do a very good job.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, that might mean he has to, unfortunately, be

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Speaker 2: Like it doesn't spare his son, well, it certainly doesn't

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Speaker 2: bring those those four lives lost.

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Speaker 5: His daughter, the accused killer in this case, his daughter,

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Speaker 5: the accused sister, testified that dad was very well aware

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Speaker 5: I had no idea that my son could be capable

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Speaker 5: of such violence. Like what do you mean, correct, police

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Speaker 8: Hey, guys, this is about the great case.

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to say.

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Speaker 9: My opinion is that no sane parent who's worried about

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Speaker 3: Give their mentally ill child an assault rifle.

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Speaker 10: There's literally no way, especially for a child that didn't

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Speaker 3: It's just weird. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, when you put it that way, it

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Speaker 5: To his testimony though, it seems like when they went

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he wanted to bond with his son, right, But

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Speaker 2: Maybe it was the time spent alone with his dad

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Speaker 2: But in this case, you know, again this is just

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Speaker 3: But seveny you say, little did he know?

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Speaker 4: His own daughter testified that he was well aware of

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Speaker 3: So he may have known little, but he knew that much.

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Speaker 4: Also, if you're gonna hunt, go ahead and hunt and

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Speaker 2: And we lock it up so often. How many cases

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Speaker 3: This was the kid's gun, the kid's gun.

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Speaker 2: Like and Mom also alerted Dad that they didn't. She

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Speaker 4: The defense argued that dad could not have foreseen the shooting,

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Speaker 3: It is true.

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Speaker 2: By the way, this isn't spare his son, who hasn't

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Speaker 4: So you know, as you said, Boddie, this will absolutely

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Speaker 4: Well on Katy Studios.

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Speaker 5: We did a podcast, right and we covered Jared's case

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Speaker 5: Now, he had been married previously. In twenty ten, he

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Speaker 5: like one week on, one week off, okay, So they

442
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Speaker 5: would spend a week with the twins. They would spend

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Speaker 5: a week with Jared and Kirsten, and then they would

444
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Speaker 5: spend a week at Shana's wish Shana and her new

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Speaker 5: husband Mario.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Shane's mom, the twins is mom, correct, So.

447
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 5: The twins is mom, right, The twins is mom right.

448
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 5: So when they were at the other parents home, they

449
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Speaker 5: would have something called date night, okay. And this date

450
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Speaker 5: night was like every Wednesday, and the other parent would

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Speaker 5: go to the other parent's home pick up the kids

452
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Speaker 5: for the night because they were you know, they didn't

453
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Speaker 5: see him for a week, and it was a way

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Speaker 5: for the kids to you know, see the parent that

455
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Speaker 5: they hadn't seen in a week.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 5: So then they would have this date night and the

458
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Speaker 5: other parent would go pick them up and they would

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Speaker 5: go to and then the other parent would take them,

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Speaker 5: you know, back to the other parents home.

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Speaker 3: So this was a date night, okay.

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Speaker 5: So Jared drove to Shana and Mario's home to pick

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Speaker 5: up the twins, and he brought his little daughter who

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Speaker 5: loved her older siblings, you know.

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Speaker 3: With him half siblings and then her half siblings.

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Speaker 5: She loved them. So they all go to dinner. They went,

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Speaker 5: and then they went and got ice cream. Jared drives

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Speaker 5: back to Shana's, drops them off, says goodbye, kisses, hugs, love,

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Speaker 5: and is driving home. And this happened like only a

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Speaker 5: couple miles away from the drop off, and it was

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Speaker 5: at this interesting intersection where you cannot move out. He

472
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Speaker 5: would have to get out of the car to move

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Speaker 5: the tire. And so when we were we were discussing

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Speaker 5: this case on the podcast, it was prior to knowing

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Speaker 5: what happened. Well, now we know what happened, and what

476
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Speaker 5: happened is that, allegedly, right, Shana and Mario hired a

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Speaker 5: hitman to kill Jared in front of his little girl.

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Speaker 2: So that's they're the ones that came up with the

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Speaker 2: facacta plan to hire a hitman and put the tire.

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Speaker 3: In the way Jared knowing the road.

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Speaker 5: He would be traveling, knowing his route right, knowing his

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Speaker 5: route right. So yeah, that's basically the story. Guess who

483
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Speaker 5: Shana's lawyer is. Who's that Jose Bias of Casey Anthony Fame.

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Speaker 3: Of Casey Anthony Fame. Isn't that wild?

485
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Speaker 2: Always if you if you met Shana, like if you

486
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Speaker 2: saw her again, these seem like she seems like really

487
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Speaker 2: like a likable woman, and you know, she was raising

488
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Speaker 2: her twins, she had, you know, remarried kind of a

489
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Speaker 2: odd guy, right, Like I feel like he was sort

490
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Speaker 2: of like the Mario Lincoln.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he was kind of I mean looking at photos

492
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Speaker 5: of Shana and Mario, they were kind of like an

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Speaker 5: odd couple in my eyes, right, Mario's kind of like

494
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 5: a short guy, and Shane is very tall, she's very athletic.

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Speaker 3: She's beautiful. Just a weird couple just looking at them,

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Speaker 3: so it's really.

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Speaker 5: Very Yeah, like they didn't match.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, and maybe that's the attraction. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 5: But so we can get into what's new in the case, right,

500
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Speaker 5: So what's new in the case is that, well, not really,

501
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 5: but this is what happened Mario and Shana. Shana comes

502
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Speaker 5: from a very wealthy family, and you.

503
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Speaker 3: Took a nice, really good family.

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00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 5: Like they own like this massive company in Utah that

505
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 5: makes like stationary products. Okay, okay, So they have a

506
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 5: lot of money, like a lot of money. And Sharet,

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00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 5: Jared and Shana had this custody arrangement and it was

508
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Speaker 5: annoying to Shana. She didn't and money was not going

509
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 5: to be at Jared was a like the perfect father,

510
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 5: Like I'm not even kidding, the perfect father. There's no

511
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 5: amount of money that you could have paid him not

512
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Speaker 5: to see his children, no amount of money. And I

513
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 5: think that kind of pissed Shna off. She didn't, you

514
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 5: know what I mean. She wanted the full custody. She

515
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 5: wanted it all. So it was her basic like want

516
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Speaker 5: in the world to get rid of Jared. And the

517
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 5: prosecutors have just released a bunch of text messages going

518
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 5: into details about what she was trying to do. And

519
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 5: we covered this too, because Shana, when she got divorced,

520
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 5: she went and got a bunch of tattoos, all right,

521
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 5: and she tried to like ask her tattoo guy if

522
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 5: he knew anybody that you know, could get rid of

523
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Speaker 5: her ex.

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Speaker 7: Oh, like, oh oh, she was looking for a pitman.

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Speaker 5: She was for a hitman, right, And then these text

526
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 5: messages with her friend, you know, she's talking about like

527
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 5: she would always call Jarrett stupid. That was like her

528
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 5: code name for him, and she said things like she said,

529
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 5: what does she say? I had it writ in front

530
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 5: of me. Now I lost it. But she said.

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Speaker 3: I dream of slitting his throat. She said it.

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00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 5: And then and then she's like telling her friend. She's

533
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Speaker 5: telling your friend, I really want somebody to take care

534
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 5: of this, and her friend literally reaches out to somebody

535
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 5: and says, Shana needs help. Do you know anybody that

536
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 5: can get rid of somebody like a magician? Like any anyway? Okay,

537
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 5: So knowing all that, pause for.

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Speaker 2: One second though, just like this is what was a

539
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,719
Speaker 2: little bit disorienting about this case. Also because when we

540
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: started this case to do the podcast again, all the

541
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Speaker 2: players kind of look like anybody that you would meet

542
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: at Target or you know, always share an office with family,

543
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: good families, like if Shanna the accused was, you know,

544
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: sharing a cubicle, well you'd quite like her. And Kirsten,

545
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: who is Jared's new wife, his Quartifi woman when he

546
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: was married, like she's like wonderful, like somebody you would

547
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: want to be friends with immediately.

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Speaker 3: And she was so good.

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Speaker 2: To the twins that she, you know, kind of inherited

550
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Speaker 2: her like those were her stepkids.

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Speaker 3: She took them in like her own.

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Speaker 2: So and she she would describe Jared's remember his hands,

553
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: she would described strong hands, like she loved her husband

554
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: so much and just respected him so much. And you know,

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00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: by all accounts it sounded like Jared was like one

556
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Speaker 2: heck of a dad who was there for all four We're.

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Speaker 5: Running out of time and we were just speaking about

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Speaker 5: Kirsten Body and I want to talk to you guys

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00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 5: really quick about the Bentley Boxes. So you know, Jared

560
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 5: was killed in front of his daughter, Bexley. Okay, she

561
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,239
Speaker 5: was she was two years old. I think she was

562
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 5: almost two years old. Well, the cops came, and you know,

563
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 5: obviously the cops came and they took her back to

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Speaker 5: the station. Well she didn't have you for comfort items

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Speaker 5: with her. So what Kirsten does is she founded the

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Speaker 5: Bridigan Foundation and they created something called the Bexley Box.

567
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 5: And what they do is they fill it with toys, blankets, diapers, bottles,

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00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 5: other essentials and they take it to police stations so

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Speaker 5: that children in the future will be comforted with some

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00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 5: teddy bears. And she's just a remarkable woman. Please follow

571
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 5: the Bridigan Foundation. It's very near and dear to all

572
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 5: of our hearts.

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00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just a beautiful way to impart change.

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Speaker 2: Listen, we are discussing some of the cases that we

575
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: should be following trials that are upcoming, and also kind

576
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: of getting through some of your talkbacks.

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Speaker 3: So let's get through one of them right now.

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Speaker 11: Hey, everyone at MALI from Pennsylvania. I'm listening to the

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Speaker 11: February twenty fourth episodes, and you're talking about the Cold Gray.

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Speaker 11: I do want to say when you come from a

581
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Speaker 11: rural background, it's really common to be gifted at gun.

582
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Speaker 11: As a child. I was gifted three guns by the

583
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Speaker 11: time I was sixteen. Granted it of a twenty two,

584
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 11: a shotgun, and a two forty three, all of which

585
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 11: are used for hunting. So typically we are gifted guns

586
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Speaker 11: for hunting purposes. And it's not legally the child's gun,

587
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 11: it's in the parent's name. As Body pointed out, I

588
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 11: think the main issue with this case is not that

589
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 11: the dad gifted the son a gun. The issue is

590
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Speaker 11: the son was not responsible enough and mentally well enough

591
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 11: for a gun, and the father should have been aware

592
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Speaker 11: of that. And even when I was gifted guns as

593
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Speaker 11: a child, they were mine but not mine's access as

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Speaker 11: I please. They were maintained in our lock safe to

595
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Speaker 11: which I did not have the combination, as were all

596
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Speaker 11: of my siblings guns. We were supervised every time those

597
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Speaker 11: guns were duced, either for target practice or hunting. So

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Speaker 11: the nitty gritty of it, in my opinion, is not

599
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Speaker 11: that the gun was gifted. It's the circumstances behind the

600
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Speaker 11: gifting of the gun. Just why I do so there

601
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Speaker 11: take care.

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00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair.

603
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Speaker 2: And by the way, I guess it's the assault rifle

604
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: part of it, right, That is also a little added

605
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: factor because it wasn't a hunting gun.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but we hear this a lot, and that is

607
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 4: a it's so well said. Yeah, absolutely, and you're exactly right.

608
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Speaker 4: The God is in the details in this case as

609
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 4: in many cases. And lock your guns up, right, So

610
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 4: because dad had I'm sorry, it's not being the.

611
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 3: Gun, which is fine, right.

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00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 5: Dad buys them the gun and locked it up and

613
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 5: only took it out when they went hunting or whatever,

614
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 5: we wouldn't have this thing.

615
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 3: But that's not what happened, right exactly.

616
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Speaker 2: And I guess that's the place that we're at because again,

617
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: we are so much conversations about gun control, and my

618
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: personal opinions put those aside. Who cares, they don't really count.

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Speaker 2: There's laws and people are able to have guns, and

620
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: we just have to do it really responsibly, right, So

621
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Speaker 2: how do we do that to the next level? Knowing

622
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: that this school shooting thing has gotten you know, it's.

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Speaker 3: You can't do that.

624
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 2: It's an undeniable epidemic. But you know, safety, mental health,

625
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: those proper checks. Really just I can't believe that we

626
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: don't have those in place necessarily to the extent that

627
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: we should.

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Speaker 3: But that's why we're talking about it.

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Speaker 2: Because again, these are cases that shape policy, and I

630
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 2: don't think people are looking to have their guns taken away.

631
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Speaker 2: It's really just a matter of making sure that people

632
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 2: are really responsible being responsible for them.

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00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, and I was just Molly, We appreciate it,

634
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Speaker 3: Thank you. It was a good talk back.

635
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Speaker 7: And body you brought up earlier called Gray's trial. I

636
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 7: just wanted to follow up with that. His next schedule

637
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Speaker 7: hearing is set from March eighteen March eighteenth, but they

638
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 7: don't have a future trial date as of yet.

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00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 5: So yeah, because I think he's still being evaluated right

640
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 5: for like mental corrects and all that good stuff. So

641
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 5: I think that's probably a competency hearing or something along

642
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 5: those lines or something like that.

643
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, this is might be anecdotal.

644
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: But you know, when you're going through a breakup or

645
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 2: a separation, and I don't know this to be true

646
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: in their case, but just reading between the lines and

647
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 2: their dynamic mom and dad cults parents, you know, when

648
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 2: like you have an ex and it's you guys are

649
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 2: in dissension mode. You literally do not hear each other,

650
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: like it becomes alice noise.

651
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 3: That's and you know, we know.

652
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: Mom was like, hey, look the school is still calling,

653
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 2: and hey look you got to lock the gun up.

654
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Speaker 2: And you know that might have just like fallen into

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Speaker 2: that category of X you know, ex wife talk and

656
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: ex husband talk, And that's also something for us all

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Speaker 2: to kind of be mindful of too when going through

658
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Speaker 2: a breakup, when you're co parenting, it's so hard, it's

659
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: so hard, and you're heartbroken and it's life is so

660
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: stressful and everything is so new and complicated, and you know,

661
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: you can see how things slip through the cracks, but

662
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 2: you know, this is not a crack to come back from.

663
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: So again, it's just an important one for us to

664
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Speaker 2: kind of keep an eye on.

665
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Speaker 3: And Stephanie, I absolutely grant you that.

666
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 4: And I've never been specifically in that situation, but boy,

667
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 4: I can really understand it.

668
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: However, the police, you know, Dad was I guess I

669
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: got it.

670
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 2: But like again, it's like sometimes couples fighting just like

671
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: it's just a mess. I have a friend right now

672
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: that they are so in it, and you know, it

673
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: seems very obvious from the outside looking in, Like I see,

674
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: it's like you're not you're missing the plot.

675
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 3: You're really off the plot right now.

676
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: And the only people who are aware of the plot

677
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 2: are your kids. And these are really smart, wonderful, functional,

678
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 2: incredible humans just going through a really bad breakup and

679
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: are just not seeing the world clearly. And sometimes during

680
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: those times, like the kids really could could slip out

681
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 2: the back.

682
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: Door with a gun in their hand and you know,

683
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Speaker 3: shoot up a school.

684
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Speaker 2: And I'm curious why, like three of the kids were

685
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: with mom somehow.

686
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 3: You know, the one way where word.

687
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: Emotionally unwell kid is somehow with dad who doesn't seem

688
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: to totally have his hands on the wheel, Like, how

689
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 2: did that mix up happen? Complicated? I'm sure very nuanced.

690
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 2: I'm not you know, I'm not claiming to know the

691
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 2: details of it, but.

692
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 3: It's hard. Yeah, let's go to it. Hey, true crime.

693
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Speaker 12: I am losing my mind right now because you're talking

694
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 12: about this meda caase and bodies really throwing parents under

695
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Speaker 12: the bus. And another caller called in and said, because

696
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 12: if the parents were giving them the cigarette, y'all, kids

697
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 12: are going to.

698
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: Do what they're going to do.

699
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 12: What they're going to do.

700
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 3: The parents have to guide them. But they will find that.

701
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Speaker 12: Cigarette in school, yeah, or they will find the social

702
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 12: media in school.

703
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: So true, true or other buddy's house who has older

704
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: siblings and stuff like. It's just there is no perfect

705
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 2: vacuum anymore. We all wish we could have that level

706
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: of power. Sure, but again, we listened to this last

707
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 2: case with you know, Cole Gray, and it's like, on

708
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: the one hand, were like, you should parent better, and

709
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: on the flip we're like, oh, sorry, social media, we

710
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: can't really do much about it.

711
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 3: Out of our hands.

712
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: So it's like I kind of personally would I would

713
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: personally like it always can we just like but it's

714
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: that's what's so nuanced and complicated about it, Like it's

715
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: like all hands on deck, right, yeah, And.

716
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 5: I don't I don't even know how I feel about that,

717
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? Like I I and one hand, obviously,

718
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 5: the algorithm is not the same as it was when I,

719
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 5: you know, back in the day. Right, I've got my

720
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 5: cane and my walk around now, right, it's not the same, right,

721
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 5: The algorithm does make things different, but these allegations are

722
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 5: like a decade old. So I just I don't know.

723
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 5: I just I'm not sure how I feel about it.

724
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 3: I'm open.

725
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 5: I'm not like set in Stone, like, oh, the parents

726
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 5: need to have responsibility for what their kids look at online.

727
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 5: I know that's not possible. I mean, I'm not I

728
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 5: don't live in a fantasy land. But at some point

729
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 5: you can't buy the tools like a gun or a

730
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 5: phone and then be like, oh, I didn't know, you know,

731
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 5: you know, you know.

732
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Speaker 2: But the odds are a little bit being stacked against us,

733
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 2: against us purposely, and we're experiencing it as well. If

734
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 2: we put the meta even aside from our from kids,

735
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 2: from our kids, our neighbors kids, our loved ones kids.

736
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Speaker 2: You know, I think at this point it does really

737
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: take a village and all hands, Like I said, all

738
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 2: hands and eyes on deck, we have to kind of

739
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 2: protect our kids.

740
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 3: Agree with that, and you know, but again taking.

741
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: That aside for one second, you know, all of this

742
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: AI future and the tech talk is so relevant right now.

743
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: Even just in this last weekend, Open AI has been

744
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 2: given the largest possible imaginable contract with you know, with

745
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: the government, and a defense contract that basically says we

746
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 2: have no more guard rails, that they could do strikes

747
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: that are imminent without any guardrails, or that they could

748
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: surveil without any guardrails. And that is a very real

749
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: piece of this equation right now that I think is

750
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: fish tailing out of this meta lawsuit and the idea

751
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: of a digital ID. Now that I've said it, I

752
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: definitely want to set time to discuss that further and

753
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 2: maybe Body you can help.

754
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 3: Us with it.

755
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: All of the rabbit holing that I'm down, including all weekend,

756
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: one thing that's very productive that I think we can

757
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: unpack from all the scary things that we're learning about

758
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: and getting overwhelmed about in the Epstein Files is the

759
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: idea of meta in artificial intelligence in general, but the

760
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: idea of digital currency being something that we all have

761
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: to sign up for globally, and it seems like that

762
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: is an initiative that whether it's our government or many

763
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: governments seem to have in mind.

764
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 3: It's going into the UK right now.

765
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Speaker 2: But what that really would mean is that, imagine you

766
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: have an app on your phone that's ultimately controlled by

767
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,959
Speaker 2: the government or the world government. The one source which

768
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: is frankly not even a regulated source because it would

769
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: really be artificial intelligence kind of controlling this app on

770
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 2: our phones that has all of our banking records, all

771
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 2: of our tax information, all of our medical records, everything

772
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: personal are social footprint entirely on one phone or one app,

773
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 2: and then ultimately the government would control that. So on

774
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 2: its nose, that might sound really convenient. On its nose,

775
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 2: it sounds actually quite the same real I would like

776
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: you to look into it.

777
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 3: Can you can ask you?

778
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 2: You know? With the digital ID being a big factor,

779
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: that seems to be the larger goal in the Epstein Files,

780
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: and there's lots of chatter about that in this current

781
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 2: war that we have now entered.

782
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, no, I you guys know, I bedrotted all

783
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 5: week so I even texted you.

784
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't want to bother you over

785
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 2: the weekend, but like to understand the bitcoin piece of it.

786
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 3: I did understand. I did.

787
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 2: Philanthropic Philanthropic also was the original search engine or the

788
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 2: original platform.

789
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 3: Open eight.

790
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 2: Philanthropic is a company that the US government was asking

791
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: to have take on all of their defense work, but

792
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 2: they wanted them to remove certain guardrails, meaning there would

793
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: be no there would be no guardrails for doing these

794
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: like I said, missile, uh fire some and then also

795
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: this you know, us kind of surveilling our privacy, that

796
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: there wouldn't be any more guardrails on that. And Philanthropic,

797
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: this company declined and said, no, we will not do that,

798
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 2: we cannot do that.

799
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 3: Against it, We're against it.

800
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: And then Trump said the US will never work with

801
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 2: them again, and we're killing all those contracts. Even though

802
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 2: I think Philanthropic was a part of this most recent

803
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: attack in Iran. Now open ai has stepped in, and

804
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 2: I believe that's Oracle and.

805
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 3: Larry Ellison. They've all stepped in to say they won't

806
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 3: do it, we'll do it.

807
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 2: So again, this is all the meta conversation in terms

808
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: of privacy, guardrails, things that they could be doing to

809
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: keep us safer. Now those things are being removed, and frankly,

810
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: that's a real that's the real.

811
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Speaker 3: Something that we should all be keeping a very close on.

812
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 5: It's a Fourth Amendment violation with the guard wills on

813
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 5: privacy let alone. I'm not sure what kind of violation

814
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 5: it is with the Constitution about having guardrails on weapons. Well,

815
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 5: I don't understand that, you know, I think we'll also

816
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 5: have more information. I'm actually just looking, and it seems

817
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 5: that just about a half an hour ago, Altman.

818
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 4: Has come out and said that's open AI CEO Sam Ullman,

819
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 4: saying that the deal was opportunistic, opportunistic and sloppy and

820
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 4: that yeah, so this is just coming out, So it

821
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 4: seems that real time right now?

822
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 3: Correct? Oh good?

823
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 4: Uh. The company said its tools would not be used

824
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 4: by intelligence agencies, among other tweaks, and admitted again that

825
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 4: they rushed the deal.

826
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 3: So well, let's let's talk.

827
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Speaker 5: And talk about that, because for sure I am interested

828
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 5: in what the deal was, you know, again. I bedrotted.

829
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 5: I watched bad TV all weekend. I didn't paint.

830
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Speaker 9: Any any news, so this is all news to me. Yeah,

831
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 9: this is the thing. Yes, we're heated rivalry. That's a

832
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 9: good one.

833
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Speaker 3: GC. I don't have HBO, so I don't.

834
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 4: Okay, well we'll sort that out.

835
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Speaker 3: We'll shout out. I've heard it's great. I just don't have.

836
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 7: HBO, so I think we have Do we have time

837
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 7: for one more quick talk back? That'll make a put everyone?

838
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 8: Okay, Hey, y'all, this is Alicia from Mississippi. I went

839
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Speaker 8: back in time and started listening to Crazy and Love.

840
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 8: I finished every episode of True Crime tonight and I

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Speaker 8: D and D set pieces. I just can't say how

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Speaker 8: has come. In every episode you can hear the quality

845
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Speaker 8: just progressively get better.

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Speaker 2: So I just.

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Speaker 8: Wanted to say that I'm proud and amazed of all

848
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Speaker 8: the hard work that you've done, and I wish you

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Speaker 8: nothing but joy and success in life.

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Speaker 5: First, before, I want to know what kind of set

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Speaker 5: pieces you're making.

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Speaker 3: Do you make dice?

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Speaker 5: Because if you do, I want you to get in

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Speaker 5: contact with me because I need some new dice.

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Speaker 3: She makes D and D pieces.

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Speaker 2: Love it by the way. Also, that's her biggest compliment.

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Speaker 2: You could ye possibly pay us because.

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Speaker 3: We were really bad in the beginning. Crazy Love is

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Speaker 3: a podcast that we love. Crazy in Love.

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Speaker 2: We did fifty two episodes old school og kt Courtney's

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Speaker 3: And somehow it was so much work. We've never worked harder.

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Speaker 2: It was like a boiler room of stories about murder. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and we were nervous and like it was sometimes so terrible,

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Speaker 2: but not because we weren't trying so so hard.

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Speaker 3: But it was like a lot of work that.

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Speaker 2: Was like a hard that was hard put it was.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was hard and long and thank you very much,

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Speaker 4: and yeah, that kind of did a vol that really

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Speaker 4: avauld Thank you, like really embarrassed and appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Well. Listen, stick around because at the top of the hour, we're.

874
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Speaker 4: Going to talk about the fact that Bill Clinton was

875
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Speaker 4: under oath about Jeffrey Ebstein, the hours of newly released

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Speaker 4: deposition video, also what he has to say about Gileen Maxwell,

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Speaker 2: that as well. Nice job on the downloads, and of

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Speaker 2: course you could always leave us a talkback. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, listen. Last week was a really big week. Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton, former Secretary of State and obviously a former

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Speaker 2: running mate against Trump, testified regarding the Epstein files, and

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Speaker 2: then followed, of course, on Friday, behind closed doors, her husband,

901
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Speaker 2: Bill Clinton, former President Bill Clinton, also testified, and look,

902
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Speaker 2: so much happened soon thereafter, you know, the war broke out.

903
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Speaker 3: We were all standing by for you.

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Speaker 2: Know, transcripts that were going to be turned around within

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Speaker 2: twenty four hours from Hillary's testimony, then followed by Bills.

906
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Speaker 2: We were anxiously looking out for it, and of course

907
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Speaker 2: so many bigger events sort of seemed to take things

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Speaker 2: over in terms of our thoughts and in mine. So

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Speaker 2: I'm glad that we're able to get to it today

910
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 2: because pretty staggering some of the some of his testimony.

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Speaker 3: Courtney, where do you want to begin with this? Uh?

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Speaker 4: Well, the House Oversight Committee has released the full videos

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Speaker 4: of both Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton's testimony, and they

914
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Speaker 4: each were a little bit more than four and a

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Speaker 4: half hours, so nine hours.

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Speaker 5: Shorter than I thought, honestly same. I really did think

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Speaker 5: it was going to be like, you know, a day

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Speaker 5: or two at least, So, I mean that's I.

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Speaker 2: Thought it was like six hours, six six hours, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think Hillardersinton said she had done a six hour interview.

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Speaker 3: Does the break breaks. That photo from and Bobert that's

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Speaker 3: chat or restroom break.

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Speaker 4: So I mean the exact time, at least in what

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Speaker 4: I'm looking at is Bill Clinton was four hours thirty

925
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Speaker 4: three minutes. Hillary Clinton was four hours thirty five. But

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Speaker 4: in any case, the full videos are out. And of

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Speaker 4: course this all had these depositions had to do with

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Speaker 4: the Clinton's knowledge of Jeffrey Ebstein, who we all know

929
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Speaker 4: as the convicted sex offender and trafficker, and his longtime

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Speaker 4: associate Gilaine Maxwell.

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Speaker 3: So I think should we go to a talkback first, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: let's do it. Let's do a talk.

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Speaker 13: I understand all the frustration and the anger that goes

934
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Speaker 13: along with these Epstein files, I really do. But when

935
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Speaker 13: the devil comes to you, he doesn't come to you

936
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Speaker 13: as an ugly fella. He's going to come to you handsome.

937
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Speaker 13: He's going to come to you rich, He's going to

938
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Speaker 13: offer you the world, and that's how he controls the world.

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Speaker 13: So I think this is all very, very evil, and

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Speaker 13: it's all if you read the Bible, it's right there,

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Speaker 13: have a good night.

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Speaker 3: Great point. Everybody keeps telling me this and it scares me.

943
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Speaker 5: I mean, this kind of equates to like what I

944
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Speaker 5: talk about, like killers and stuff like what is it

945
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 5: what like? Because people like, oh, that kind looks like

946
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Speaker 5: a serial killer. I'm like, what do you think serial

947
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Speaker 5: killers look like?

948
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

949
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Speaker 5: Anyway, they don't. They're they're all well in disguise, just

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Speaker 5: like our talkback said.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these guys are charismatic, they're you know, kind, they're affable.

952
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Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many survivor testimony transcripts I've written.

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Speaker 2: I've been reading where some of these young girls victims

954
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Speaker 2: that were, you know, some of them twelve thirteen years old,

955
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Speaker 2: retrospectively looking back, they really say Geelaine Maxwell was really

956
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Speaker 2: the harsher of the two of them. Meanwhile, they were

957
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Speaker 2: being abused by both allegedly, but they were somehow were like, well,

958
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Speaker 2: Jeffrey was like at least he was like interesting and nice,

959
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: like somehow, even though they were getting abused by him

960
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 2: and trafficked by him, per their testimony or you know,

961
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Speaker 2: their recollection, there was like something about him that made

962
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Speaker 2: them not somehow eat him as much.

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Speaker 3: They seem to have such disdain for Gilaine and also

964
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Speaker 3: for Les Wexner.

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Speaker 2: He's the man that we discussed that is the owner

966
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Speaker 2: of Victoria's Secret in the limited Abercrombie and Fitch, the

967
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Speaker 2: man who lives in Ohio that we covered and has

968
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Speaker 2: those ties to the Ohio State Hospital, which is also

969
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Speaker 2: getting a lot of a lot of details coming out

970
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Speaker 2: about it. So yeah, you're you're really right. I mean,

971
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Speaker 2: I guess we have to be careful because this guy

972
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Speaker 2: knows how to people, know how to con.

973
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Speaker 4: Right, and in order to do it, you do it

974
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 4: is almost a necessary evil to come in, charming, come in, hey,

975
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Speaker 4: tell me about yourself, you know, and disarm people. And

976
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Speaker 4: that's I mean, that's come up a lot when you

977
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Speaker 4: see Ebstein's correspondence with people in the files. But okay,

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Speaker 4: Clinton's testimony, Oh yeah, yeah, let's do it.

979
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Speaker 3: Says do it.

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Speaker 4: So I'm just gonna throw out a couple of opening

981
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Speaker 4: in general statements and we'll pause when we want to

982
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Speaker 4: talk about it. One, I saw nothing and I did

983
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Speaker 4: nothing wrong. Two, as someone who grew up in a

984
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Speaker 4: home with domestic abuse, not only would I not have

985
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Speaker 4: flown on his plane. If I had any inkling of

986
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Speaker 4: what he was doing, I would have turned him in

987
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 4: myself and led the call for justice for his crimes.

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Speaker 3: Not sweetheart, deals.

989
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 4: I'm gonna pause right there myself because give me a break.

990
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, give me. This is the same about Montic Lunsky,

991
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Speaker 3: so in front of Congress, I did not have sex

992
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 3: with that woman.

993
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 5: Right, and so you know he he lined in front

994
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 5: of Congress. So I don't know that I'd necessarily believe

995
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 5: him this time around. Like same Fuomi wants shame on

996
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.

997
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, fool me twice, shame on me exactly for.

998
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 2: Him to step in there after We've seen all these

999
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 2: photographs and seen all the mentions, and at this point

1000
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Speaker 2: it be.

1001
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 3: Like I have no idea. I just don't know.

1002
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 2: Anything is obscene a little bit, and it's not helping

1003
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 2: the victims and the survivors. Like the hope would be

1004
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 2: that both Hillary and Bill would speak before, you know,

1005
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 2: speak before this committee, so that they could maybe shed

1006
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 2: some more detail to maybe further the investigation and bring

1007
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: justice to justice to the survivors who have been so

1008
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 2: cast aside for decades and decades and decades.

1009
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,439
Speaker 3: But that does not appear to be the goal here.

1010
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Speaker 5: Do any of the survivors accuse Bill of anything though,

1011
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 5: Bill Clinton, Oh you're muted.

1012
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 2: No, sorry, No, I never know this moment, I'm not

1013
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 2: I mean anything of an accusation. Maybe he's just some

1014
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: like you know, excited guy that just likes to go

1015
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,720
Speaker 2: on trips and he's like a party pans.

1016
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 4: Possibly, yeah, but I fall out like because no, there

1017
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 4: are no at this moment or maybe ever, accusations I'm

1018
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 4: aware of.

1019
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 3: But when when when Bill Clinton says I didn't have

1020
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 3: an inkling of what he was doing, give.

1021
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 2: Me a break, That's what I'm saying. Everybody had access

1022
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 2: to these files too. Everybody you were exactly we're looking

1023
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: back and correct me if I'm wrong, because again, this

1024
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Speaker 2: is where I get.

1025
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm going to breathe, per our callers, I'm

1026
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 3: going to breathe.

1027
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:20,919
Speaker 2: But what I guess I get real bummed out about

1028
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 2: And just to give it to you straight, like every

1029
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 2: administration since we're going back now to you know, the

1030
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 2: two thousands who have now had access to these accusations,

1031
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 2: you know that have had the files to their access.

1032
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: Everybody keeps pointing to the other administration. Oh will Biden

1033
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 2: could have done it? Oh well Obama could have done it,

1034
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 2: Oh well Trump could have done it.

1035
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 3: Oh will this one could have done it? Yeah? Yeah,

1036
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 3: By the way.

1037
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 2: You're all right, every single administration, both Democratic and Republican,

1038
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 2: had the exact same access points. So whether you were

1039
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 2: involved or not, put that aside. How about the fact

1040
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 2: that you were well aware that these files existed, that

1041
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 2: there were cover ups being done real time, that investigations

1042
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: were being halted. We know this as fact now just

1043
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 2: looking at these files, now, why would everybody look the

1044
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 2: other way? Mm hmm, including everybody that I voted for.

1045
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 2: So this is like every single every single It's impossible

1046
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 2: to imagine whether they is it Is it a crime

1047
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 2: to know that it exists and not stop it if

1048
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 2: you were the most powerful person in the nation.

1049
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 5: My understanding on why like Biden and then you know,

1050
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 5: before him Trump and then before him Obama and then

1051
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 5: before you know what I mean nothing happened is because

1052
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 5: it was Glaine's case was still open.

1053
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 3: They could not do what they say. That is true.

1054
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 2: That is definitely. It is definitely what is said. That's

1055
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 2: what kind of covers. But that doesn't of covers. But

1056
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean they couldn't. It just that just means

1057
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 2: means they couldn't.

1058
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 5: Release the files though, right, or doesn't mean they couldn't

1059
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 5: prosecute that people mentioned, and I don't know.

1060
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 3: Well, let's go.

1061
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 2: Back because the Acosta deal, alex Acosta and the very

1062
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight, two thousand and eight, two

1063
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 2: thousand and nine, good memory, that initial sweetheart deal where

1064
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein had been brought up on many charges. He

1065
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 2: was ultimately only charged with I think one count where

1066
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 2: he didn't really have to do an appropriate amount of

1067
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: jail time and didn't even have to stay in jail.

1068
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 2: He just like went home every day every day. You know,

1069
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 2: that was two thousand and eight. So who was president

1070
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 2: at that time? Like, who was who was what?

1071
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 3: Who? Who has been in charge all of these years,

1072
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 3: thirty plus years that.

1073
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 2: This has been going on for. You're going to tell

1074
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 2: me that thirty plus year's worth of administrations have looked

1075
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 2: the other way because Jeffrey Epstein compromised everyone?

1076
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 3: How is that even possible? How is that? I don't impossible.

1077
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 5: I just don't know that that's a accurate reality. Yeah,

1078
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 5: I mean maybe not on the note was accurate, But

1079
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 5: I just don't know that that's reality. I think that

1080
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 5: you know, it's a Florida prosecution, right. And Obama was

1081
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 5: president in two thousand and eight. That's when he became president, right,

1082
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 5: George Bush was president. Obama took over in two thousand

1083
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 5: and eight, And I just don't know that, you know,

1084
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 5: they kept it like this big secret. I think there

1085
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 5: were open investigations. I think they knew about what was

1086
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 5: going on, but I just don't know that they I

1087
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 5: don't know what I don't know.

1088
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Speaker 3: Actually, let me just start over. I don't know all knew.

1089
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 3: I think at the highest levels they knew.

1090
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Speaker 4: As a timeline to refresh Bill Clinton, actually he ended

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Speaker 4: he was done being president in two thousand and one,

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Speaker 4: and in his deposition, what he testified was that his

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Speaker 4: relationship with Jeffrey Epstein ended in two thousand and three,

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Speaker 4: which would have been five years before, according to the

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Speaker 4: testimony as well as prior statements. You know, and this

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Speaker 4: seems a little convenient. It seems like he was saying

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Speaker 4: that he used the plane because it was so convenient

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Speaker 4: to do his charity work with the Clinton Global Initiative,

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Speaker 4: and that at that point he decided to find other transportation.

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Speaker 3: It does appear that.

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Speaker 4: Their main contact were between two thousand and two and

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Speaker 4: two thousand and three, which includes four of the international

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Speaker 4: trips on the plane. Anyway, this was just a refreshing

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Speaker 4: myself and I I was a little surprised, actually, I thought.

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Speaker 3: You think.

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Speaker 2: I got to do too a little bit compromised, honestly,

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Speaker 2: I do. And that's a scary word, and I don't

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Speaker 2: even know what its and what it leads to, but

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Speaker 2: it seems like there's been a lot of people had

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Speaker 2: to look a lot of the other way to have

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Speaker 2: this guy so functional. You know, little Saint John That island,

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Speaker 2: you know, is actually owned initially as a known slave

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01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 2: trading location from you know, back in the day, so

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Speaker 2: there's clear roots there also, and we're tracking that now

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Speaker 2: to kind of figure out what was the point of

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Speaker 2: this particular island. Why in that particular part was that

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01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 2: because of there being you know, obviously there's probably some

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Speaker 2: tax implications and things that you can avoid if you

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Speaker 2: want to launder money. So okay, if that was also

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Speaker 2: a a you know, a slave trade route back in

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Speaker 2: the day, and this is the same place where human

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Speaker 2: trafficking is happening, so.

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Speaker 3: What is that route exactly and exactly?

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Speaker 2: And if in fact Jeffrey Epstein was in fact bringing

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Speaker 2: all these people and there's all this tape there seems

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Speaker 2: to be a pretty big gap in the files from

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen to twenty twenty two, and I'm not totally

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Speaker 2: sure why that is.

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Speaker 5: Well, he died in twenty nineteen, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But there's a gap, and just like there's like a

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Speaker 2: complete like void in correspondence even regarding him, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: So they're kind of looking into that, which is kind

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Speaker 2: of leading into all things COVID.

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Speaker 3: It's like a rabbit hole that you can't get out of.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know, I don't know that I buy

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Speaker 2: Bill Clinton's opinion honestly.

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Speaker 5: So he's saying that he stopped communicating with him long

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Speaker 5: prior to him being convicted of sex crimes, Okay, And

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01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 5: there's no correspondence to prove otherwise.

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Speaker 2: There's not too much to be other than photographs of him,

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01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 2: you know, with him at parties and stuff and like

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01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,959
Speaker 2: in the hot tub and just some like.

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Speaker 3: Very rich Those were all photos. Those were all dated

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Speaker 3: prior to him being convicted.

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Speaker 4: Correct, Okay, Okay, So on the photos, what Clinton said

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01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 4: was the first time was meeting him on a two

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01:01:55,600 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 4: thousand and two flight, and so then for like a year.

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Speaker 4: That's what the allegation first time was in two thousand

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Speaker 4: and two, and that led to four or five flights.

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Speaker 4: He went to Asia, Africa and Europe on his plane,

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Speaker 4: and these trips were purely for charity, not personal benefit.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, he didn't seem to be doing too

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01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 4: much charity in that hot tub. Regarding the picture of

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Speaker 4: him in a hot tub with an undisclosed what he

1155
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 4: said was I did not know her, and also clarified

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Speaker 4: that there was no sexual contact.

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Speaker 3: So or that before from him. Yeah, haven't we all

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01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 3: had heard that before. I'm going to keep an open mind.

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Speaker 5: But coming up, it's True Crime and chill your talkbacks

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Speaker 5: on love Ted Bundy and the moments from the documentary

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01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 5: we can't stop thinking about. Keep your right here, true

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01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 5: friend tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeart Radio. We're

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Speaker 2: talking true crime all the time. I'm Steph here with

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Speaker 2: Courtney and body. Has you guys been looking at all

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Speaker 2: the chatter about Jim Carrey, yes, being cloned and taken

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Speaker 2: from us?

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Speaker 3: Is that real? Well? I listen, I have I listened.

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Speaker 3: You know me in a rabbit hole. I loved it.

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01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 2: I was really on the fence and come Sunday it

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01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 2: was like Sunday morning. I was going to text you

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01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 2: guys at the crack of dawn to be.

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01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 3: Like, did they steal Selena Gomez.

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Speaker 2: Well rest assured that Jim Carrey's publicist did this. Justin

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Speaker 2: has reached out and spoken in on the conversation and

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Speaker 2: she says, yes, it's Jim Carrey. He was in France

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Speaker 2: and he is alsood in the hood.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Cari sixty four years old. I think like he

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Speaker 3: my age.

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Speaker 7: It looks like he had some work done, which is why.

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Speaker 2: It was like a very upper eye left for the

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01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 2: upper eyeb left. It's that little It's what Ratley Cooper did.

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Speaker 2: It's what I'm a free story I need to get done. Okay,

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Speaker 2: thank you, all right, so mom, listen up. So Jim Carrey,

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01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 2: the hilarious actor who.

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Speaker 3: We all know and love.

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Speaker 2: From the Mask, and you know, he's been in and

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01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 2: out of Hollywood, and he has sometimes gone to award

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01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 2: shows and spoken out against the elite in Hollywood and

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01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 2: has said some you know, air quotes, outlandish things that

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Speaker 2: were interpreted as a little bit crazy at the time,

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01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 2: and then he's disappeared again and he hasn't been in

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Speaker 2: a movie in a really long time.

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Speaker 3: Remember the eternal.

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01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 2: Eternal of the spotlight spotless mind. If you haven't seen that,

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Speaker 2: please do please do it so good.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, so he.

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Speaker 2: Made an appearance at a red carpet in France over

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Speaker 2: the weekend, and it started trending because, you know, he

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Speaker 2: looked a little different. I actually thought he looked fine,

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01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 2: but they were. The big thing was, yeah, like were

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01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 2: a little tighter and maybe he had an upper bleft.

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01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 5: That's a little He has to look a catwoman though,

1204
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 5: you know how like these women get these wow were.

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01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 3: Just his eye color looked different.

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01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 2: It looked there were some very basic things that did

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01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 2: look a little different, and they were really pointing to

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01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 2: his eye color.

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Speaker 3: And the spirit of this debate online was that what

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Speaker 3: has everybody done with Jim Carrey? They've cloned him and

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Speaker 3: taken him from us.

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Speaker 2: This was the conspiracy chatter because he had spoken out

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01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 2: against the Hollywood elite. Now there's all this chatter about

1214
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 2: Hollywood elite and somehow Jim Carrey was allegedly cloned.

1215
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 5: This guy came forward too, I can't remember his name,

1216
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,439
Speaker 5: but he was like, I was hired and I wore

1217
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 5: this mask, and you know how like these masks look

1218
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 5: super real nowadays.

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01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 9: Oh yeah.

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01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 5: He posted a photo of this like latex mask that

1221
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 5: he said he designed and that he was hired to

1222
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 5: portray Jim Carrey and it was really him the entire time,

1223
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 5: and I'm like.

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Speaker 3: What, No, But that was going on for like a

1225
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 3: couple of days.

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01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 2: Yes, no, I I was like, no, you really no.

1227
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 3: I didn't believe it, but I found it entertaining.

1228
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 5: I didn't believe it, but I was like, for a moment,

1229
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, maybe, but then I was like, no,

1230
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 5: there's no way.

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Speaker 7: But also they're doing the side by side of his

1232
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 7: really older pictures. If you do yeah picture like one

1233
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 7: before the France event, it does you can see, Okay,

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01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 7: I can see this slow gradual change, but he does

1235
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 7: look like he's definitely had some fillers and some A

1236
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 7: couple of things.

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Speaker 3: Leave our gim volume.

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01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 2: The chatter is it's Selena Gomez, it's Justin Bieber. These

1239
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 2: are old people that I love, by the way, so

1240
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 2: this is not crap talk on them.

1241
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 3: They are perfect.

1242
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 2: It's Selena Gomez, Justin Bieber, my Britney Spears, who is

1243
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 2: definitely whirling in the.

1244
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,479
Speaker 3: Wrong direction right now and breaking my heart out.

1245
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 2: And then Jim Carrey was being added to this like

1246
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 2: list of Oh my god, these are the most famous

1247
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 2: people who are somehow having their brains melted by the

1248
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 2: Hollywood elite, or they've been.

1249
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 3: Melted their brains because they know too much.

1250
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 2: Who whatever. But this is all the Reddit chatter. But

1251
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 2: I'm sharing this more as a giggle. It turns out

1252
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 2: Jim Carrey is just fine.

1253
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 3: Thank God for that. I think it is for that.

1254
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 4: To me, Moore got dragged mercilessly for her alleged you know,

1255
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 4: face work and maybe losing too much weight, and but

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Speaker 4: it was all the stuff that was just in the

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01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 4: substance the movie. Oh I know, but she also depression can.

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Speaker 3: Of course, of course.

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Speaker 5: I'm I'm just not comfortable comment on women's looks in general,

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01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 5: and it's just not something I'm all about. But I

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01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 5: was holding them up. Yeah, I agree, we should be

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01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 5: building them up, right. I'm just I'm just not in

1263
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 5: the habit of that. But I came across it on Twitter.

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01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 5: It's the only reason I don't even know about it, But.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I was not feeling good about that

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Speaker 3: conversation the.

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01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 2: Same like born along, she's just lost her dad father.

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Speaker 5: I do I do have concerns, obviously, I don't. I

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Speaker 5: think every rational person does. But I'm just not here

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01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 5: to comment on how a woman looks.

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Speaker 2: But by the way, like six years ago or ten

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Speaker 2: years ago, they were saying that Kelly Osburne was too

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Speaker 2: thick or whatever.

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Speaker 5: So I women, celebrity, you know.

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Speaker 3: You just can't you leave him alone and give me

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01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 3: more cut her hair. I like the haircut.

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Speaker 2: I think I like good but I think the haircut

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01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 2: is a nice shed to me, and I think it

1279
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 2: suits you, even though I personally love long hair.

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Speaker 3: I think that Bob is adorbs.

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01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 5: I think it's cute. I just I didn't like the

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01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 5: wet look she had going on.

1283
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 3: But whatever. Yeah, you know it's a choice, do you

1284
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 3: If I can look.

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01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 5: Listen, if I can look like her at her age,

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01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 5: I would be so blessed at.

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Speaker 3: The supermarket trader Joe's.

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01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 2: For me.

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01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, what am I doing?

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01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 7: We could go to a quick talk back to segue

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Speaker 7: into our next conversation.

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Speaker 3: I unders see it.

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Speaker 14: Hi, true crime tonight, friend, This is Mew from Fredericksburg, Virginia.

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Speaker 14: I just finished watching our true crime and show loved

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01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 14: to Bundy, and I thought it was a very well

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01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:46,639
Speaker 14: done documentary. I especially thought it was interesting how they

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01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 14: show the dichotomy between poor sweet Edna, how kind and

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01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 14: gentle and thoughtful she was, and Ted and how he

1299
01:09:55,479 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 14: was very selfless. Like Edna was thinking, is this turn dangerous?

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01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 14: With Ted in my car? What am I going to do?

1301
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 14: I know, I'll crash my car into a parked car so.

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01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 15: That I don't hurt anyone.

1303
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 14: Meanwhile, Ted is trying to use the people around him

1304
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 14: to hunt for victims or to find a place to

1305
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:24,560
Speaker 14: take the dead bodies. So Jess showed how different they are. Meanwhile,

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01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 14: she's so desperately trying to find out why Ted has

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01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 14: done all this. But I think that's the real issue here.

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01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 14: I think because she doesn't think like him, she's never

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01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 14: going to understand. So just my two cents, you all

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01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 14: do a great job. Thank you so much for all

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01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 14: the work you do.

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Speaker 2: Love you.

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01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 3: Great summation.

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01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 5: She summed it up like pretty well, right, I was, like,

1315
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 5: she took the words out of my mouth, right, Like

1316
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 5: just in your own family, you've got like this a

1317
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 5: really kind hearted, thoughtful individual, and then this other person

1318
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 5: like the other side, the complete other side of her, right,

1319
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,679
Speaker 5: And how you're dealing with that and wanting to find

1320
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 5: answers for the families because remember in the last years

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01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 5: of Ted Bundy's life, you know, he was on death

1322
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 5: row and he was trying to save himself and he was,

1323
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 5: you know, not confessing he would he was talking to

1324
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 5: detectives that was being recorded. There were many many families

1325
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 5: who still wanted the remains of their loved ones that

1326
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 5: Ted knew the location of he wasn't given them up.

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01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 5: And one way that Ted thought he could get out

1328
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 5: of the death penalty and getting the chair you know

1329
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 5: in Florida, was by kind of teasing the cops and

1330
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 5: telling them things. And you know, She's trying to also

1331
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 5: help the families and get you know, information from Ted.

1332
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 5: To imagine that your flesh and blood, who is you know,

1333
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 5: basically withholding information about giving families peace? You know, I

1334
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 5: don't know, it's just like the juxtaposition.

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01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 3: It's very interesting. Yeah, what did you think? You know?

1336
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 4: I thought it was such a cool perspective And when

1337
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 4: we don't often see we don't see what it is like,

1338
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 4: you know, and I think to see Edna's transformation, and

1339
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 4: I loved I think we can spoil so little little

1340
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 4: spoileryer alert. But what she sort of gets to at

1341
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 4: the end is, you know why she finally, so many

1342
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 4: years after the fact, ended up writing the book and

1343
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,440
Speaker 4: ultimately participating in this documentary.

1344
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 3: Was because it was making her sick.

1345
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 4: She had just been holding it so long, and she said,

1346
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 4: you know, it's so important to talk about things, and

1347
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 4: you know, for her to try and manage all of

1348
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 4: these things of you know, is this in me since

1349
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 4: we write to your point body right?

1350
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 3: You know.

1351
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,600
Speaker 5: That or this gene that makes you do this, Like

1352
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 5: that's got to be hard. And also like even like

1353
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 5: in private communication showing how Bundy was like deflecting, in

1354
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 5: denial and whatnot, even with you know her and you

1355
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 5: know guess guess and even her in her naivete right,

1356
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:24,640
Speaker 5: because she's she's kind of pure, right, I would you know,

1357
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 5: That's how I would describe her. Very hard and even

1358
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 5: thinking that she could get to him, the naivetee. And

1359
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,639
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that in an insulting way. I'm saying

1360
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 5: it like in a pure way, like thinking that she

1361
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 5: would be able to reach him, you know, because because

1362
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 5: she loves him and he loves her and their family

1363
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 5: not not really understanding, bless her heart for the you

1364
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 5: know this that he's voided those emotions and isn't that.

1365
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:54,719
Speaker 2: The exact same thing to our earlier caller was mentioning

1366
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 2: even with Jeffrey Epstein, is you know Bundy is the

1367
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 2: perfect example of a charismatic psychopath that I would completely

1368
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 2: have been the perfect victim for, because again, you know,

1369
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 2: this is somebody who's basically trained on looking for, you know,

1370
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 2: somebody who's going to be a pushover or maybe this

1371
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 2: person will help you know, Oh, who's the person that's

1372
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 2: going to help me get the books in the car,

1373
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 2: or who's the person that's going to help me carry

1374
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 2: my groceries if I'm carrying, you know, if I'm on

1375
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 2: crutches or something. Oh, it's going to be that pushover

1376
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 2: girl who is naive and sort of a dumb. Dumb

1377
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 2: is going to come off because she doesn't she's not

1378
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:33,839
Speaker 2: from that world.

1379
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 5: For those who don't know all the whole world of

1380
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 5: stuff is talking about. Ted Bundy would also would often

1381
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 5: pose as like a man in distress to lure women

1382
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 5: into his car and then take off of them, so

1383
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 5: he would he would like have crutches and like be

1384
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 5: carrying boxes, and of course kind hearted people, particularly women,

1385
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 5: young women are going to be like, oh, do you

1386
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 5: need help? And he would be like yeah, and then

1387
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 5: he would handcuff them and you know, off the doors.

1388
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 2: And can you imagine anything scared than being locked in

1389
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 2: the car and suddenly you're handcuffed to the door. Now

1390
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 2: the doors are being locked, and again he was he

1391
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 2: was literally hunting college students. So here it is his

1392
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 2: family member, his cousin has loved one is you know

1393
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 2: of age. He's literally hunting college students in and around

1394
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 2: the area. And the way he does that is by

1395
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 2: just being kind of charming and sweet and helpless and

1396
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 2: looking for a young college student to help him with

1397
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 2: his books because he's on pretend crutches or he has

1398
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 2: a pretend cast like Miss Psycho was literally plotting to

1399
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 2: try it was entrapment.

1400
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was half the fun.

1401
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 7: And also thinking a few steps ahead, because I liked

1402
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 7: in the documentary there was one point where Edna mentioned

1403
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 7: how he worked at a suicide prevention hot lot. He

1404
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 7: also worked oh my good right, and he also worked

1405
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 7: on he wrote some articles about sort of great prevention.

1406
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 7: So I think he was getting a.

1407
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 3: Lot of color. I was about to say that was

1408
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 3: a parallels.

1409
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 7: As soon as I was watching it, I'm like, this

1410
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 7: is so Brian Coburger, Like he even worked with law enforcement,

1411
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 7: so he was really just trying to figure out how

1412
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 7: to get loopholes in their system or how to work

1413
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 7: around their issues that they were having.

1414
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:15,680
Speaker 5: He's not They're not the first to do that. So

1415
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 5: many killers have done that in the past. BDK did that.

1416
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 5: The co ed killer kep Ner does that.

1417
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he mentioned any of that.

1418
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 2: I always wondered if sometimes when these prolific serial killers

1419
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,759
Speaker 2: did that, like they went and worked at a rape

1420
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 2: crisis hotline or worked in law enforcement, maybe because they're like,

1421
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 2: oh my god, can I use.

1422
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 3: These thoughts for good?

1423
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:42,679
Speaker 2: Is there a way for me to channel this, because

1424
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 2: maybe they're like feeling, oh my god, I'm feeling human

1425
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 2: and guilty for a hot moment. But we now know

1426
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 2: these cycle paths really don't ride that way. You know,

1427
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:54,480
Speaker 2: if you're truly psychopathic, you don't really have guilt.

1428
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 5: I think Ted got something from it emotionally. I think,

1429
01:16:58,240 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 5: you know, even though we you know he's an emotional

1430
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:03,679
Speaker 5: I think Ted got kind of off on hearing these women.

1431
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:04,560
Speaker 3: Totally.

1432
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I thought what I learned from the from the

1433
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 4: doc which also I thought that the seventies. I don't

1434
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 4: know what you guys thought, but the painting, the picture

1435
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 4: of the time, I thought the archive was beautiful. It

1436
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 4: was such a good vibe and a difference. So I

1437
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 4: thought that was beautifully done. But what I had not

1438
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 4: realized was how close to the very end body You

1439
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 4: mentioned that Ted Bundy was trying to tease law enforcement,

1440
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 4: but that was so far like it was like, minutes

1441
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:41,680
Speaker 4: were minutes, We're ticking until he was going to be executed.

1442
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 4: When he's like, well, maybe i'll give you a little

1443
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 4: something FBI guy. And I loved how Edna said, She's like,

1444
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 4: but his power was gone and that was it, and

1445
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 4: it seemed to like release her somehow.

1446
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 3: Hmm. I don't know, Yeah, I don't.

1447
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 5: I just can you imagine.

1448
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 3: One if it's a relative, I don't know how I would.

1449
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 3: I don't even know. That so difficult.

1450
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 5: It's on one hand, it's not your fault and how

1451
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 5: could you know and you know, But on the other hand,

1452
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 5: i'd be like, oh, is that in me too?

1453
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I don't know.

1454
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 7: I think that almost with every case that we cover,

1455
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 7: I'm like what that person's sibling or well.

1456
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 5: In the you know, the close family just goes through

1457
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 5: so much too, like the Coburgers, right, they went.

1458
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 3: Through a lot. Mm hmm, so much.

1459
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 5: Well, stick around, we have more to get into. We're

1460
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 5: gonna be talking about some talkbacks.

1461
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 3: I think keep it right here true for tonight.

1462
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

1463
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

1464
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 2: my favorite true crime ladies, Body Move In and Courtney Armstraw.

1465
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 3: What's up? How is the night Fly? Bye?

1466
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 2: That's impossible. Can we go to another talk back? I

1467
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 2: feel like we had to get a few more in. Yes,

1468
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:09,639
Speaker 2: we want to know from you.

1469
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 3: No time to waste. Oh my gosh, you guys.

1470
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 15: True Crime and Chill is back from Texas. I'm so excited.

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01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 15: But I am just now into love Ted Bundy. But

1472
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 15: when she talks about needing to wear gloves because of

1473
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 15: the evil in his letters gave me chills And oh

1474
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 15: my gosh, I'm so glad this is back. Leave a

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01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 15: comment for these guys.

1476
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 3: They love you, We love them.

1477
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 6: Bye.

1478
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 2: Wait, so everybody has to start leaving us some can

1479
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 2: you write us in like a nice positive comments on

1480
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:51,600
Speaker 2: the iHeart website. Yeah, true Crime tonight, that would be

1481
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 2: so nice, by great talk back And this is why

1482
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 2: we're back, April. Frankly, I think because of you, because

1483
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:01,480
Speaker 2: of the swell of the swell.

1484
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 3: The demand. It was a demand them wanted back. We

1485
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 3: heard the prize, we heard the cheers and answered, oh

1486
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:12,480
Speaker 3: I tried.

1487
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 2: But and here's to mar War Entertainment and mar War Productions.

1488
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:21,759
Speaker 3: That's Joe Freed and Alison Berkeley.

1489
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:25,520
Speaker 2: Joe came on the show with Edna from the documentary

1490
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 2: to promote it. Joe and Allison at mar War Productions. Uh,

1491
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 2: Courtney and I worked with them and they're the best.

1492
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 2: They're this tremendous human beings and a game humans and.

1493
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they deserve it.

1494
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 5: She had to wear gloves while reading these letters because

1495
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 5: she didn't want to like touch the couch, you know

1496
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 5: what I mean. And it's such a sweet It really

1497
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 5: just goes to show like how sweet she is, right and.

1498
01:20:54,360 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 4: How I was struck when Edna's daughter talked about the

1499
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:04,640
Speaker 4: one time she went to almost touch a letter and

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01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 4: Edna was like get away, you.

1501
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 3: Know, like just didn't want her child to absorb this.

1502
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 2: Ted Bundy had a lot of love though, because he

1503
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 2: had family who loved him. Obviously in Edna. I don't

1504
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 2: know if you saw the movie. It's based on a book.

1505
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 2: I believe it had. Who's the actor from high school

1506
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 2: musical who I Love? He was also an American, he

1507
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 2: was Cory Something. No, he's a very popular young actor.

1508
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:37,839
Speaker 2: He was also in the Greatest Showman also Zach Effron

1509
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 2: musical Zach Effron.

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01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 3: So, Zach Effron plays Ted Bundy in a movie on one.

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01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 16: Of the streamers, and basically, yeah, it's basically it's a

1512
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 16: love story because he had somebody who he loved very much,

1513
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:58,879
Speaker 16: Ted Bundy, who was a girlfriend of his, and probably

1514
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 16: more significantly, this young girl who was a single mother.

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01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 3: She's got a great documentary.

1516
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 2: By the way, Ted Bundy's girlfriend, she loved him very

1517
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:11,720
Speaker 2: very much, and you know, by all accounts, he was

1518
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 2: really good to her and to her daughter and was

1519
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 2: like a second a stepfather almost in a way to

1520
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:20,879
Speaker 2: her daughter. And you know, can you imagine you're dating somebody,

1521
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 2: and as a single mom myself, you can only imagine

1522
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:27,599
Speaker 2: how difficult it is when you're you're like adding in

1523
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 2: a man to your child's.

1524
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:30,679
Speaker 3: Life, your daughter's life.

1525
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 2: That's such a sacred thing and you don't do that easily, right,

1526
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 2: So and then of course Ted has this nice relationship Rian.

1527
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 5: It turns out to be a serial killer, a serial killer.

1528
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 5: And by the way, her name was Elizabeth Elizabeth and

1529
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 5: she has a documentary and it's freaking amazing and it's

1530
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 5: called Ted Bundy Falling for a Killer and it came

1531
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 5: out during COVID.

1532
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and that's in her own voice too, which

1533
01:22:58,200 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 2: is interesting.

1534
01:22:59,000 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 3: She's in it.

1535
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's so good and I think I think there's

1536
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 5: a lot of episodes too, there's like four or five episodes.

1537
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 3: I think it's on Amazon.

1538
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 2: But doesn't that just go to show like you don't

1539
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 2: know who you love, who you're living with.

1540
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:13,599
Speaker 3: You know, sometimes we think we have such great judgment.

1541
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 2: I don't, but like you know, sometimes mehow but you know,

1542
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 2: but you know, you know, just.

1543
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 7: Like they present a different side sometimes it.

1544
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 2: Almost in a very specific way, especially when somebody's abody.

1545
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 2: We're a psychopathic. It's a mask and they're masking the

1546
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 2: entire time, and.

1547
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 3: They become really good at it. Yeah, oh wow, let's

1548
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 3: go on to.

1549
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 10: There we go, Hi, True Crime fam. This is how

1550
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 10: they're catching up on the podcast listening to you talk

1551
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 10: about jury duty. I got called three and a half

1552
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 10: years ago to be on a jury for a murder

1553
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 10: trial that lasted four and a half week. It was

1554
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 10: a crazy concept to shove all these strangers in a

1555
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 10: room to decide someone's fate. I learned a lot about

1556
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 10: blood splatter that I didn't think I needed to know.

1557
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 10: They ended up finding him guilty and he's has time

1558
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 10: in jail. What a wild ride?

1559
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 3: WHOA, I don't know what, child.

1560
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 2: I can tell that that's the kind of jury you want,

1561
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 2: Like I can tell because you cared about the blood splatter,

1562
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 2: you will in the moment you were like, listen, this

1563
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 2: is an insane ride. But this guy's life is in

1564
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:20,519
Speaker 2: my hands. The victims looking, she's looking, They're looking to me.

1565
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 2: The family is looking to me to make the right

1566
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 2: decision here. That's a very serious thing. You want to

1567
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 2: see people.

1568
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:28,679
Speaker 5: I want to know if sometimes they just zone out,

1569
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 5: because like sometimes I mean, like I'm watching these and

1570
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 5: I'm like, what I have to rewind What did they say?

1571
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 3: Because I zoned out?

1572
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 2: I like, and the rooms are so like uncomfortable, Bill,

1573
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:46,599
Speaker 2: and are uncomfortable people just people do not off.

1574
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I just started watching that that show Jury Duty.

1575
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 3: Did you got that? Do you think about it? I do?

1576
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 7: But there's a moment where they keep showing the woman

1577
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 7: like nodding off in his job is to keep her awake,

1578
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 7: and it's just anyway.

1579
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 4: I loved it because you guys recommended Jury Duty, I

1580
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 4: too picked it up and finished it. And the guy

1581
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 4: who's the main character is maybe the most darling human being,

1582
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 4: Like we.

1583
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 3: Should make him president.

1584
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 2: He's so nice and he really like always did the

1585
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 2: right thing.

1586
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 3: But it's because we would have universal health care under him.

1587
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 3: I think you are right, we would for sure. One. Yeah,

1588
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:37,639
Speaker 3: I love, I love and actual.

1589
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 4: The series is returning with a new unsuspecting star.

1590
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 3: Yes, and I into that.

1591
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 7: They're not going to do a Jury duty a jury version.

1592
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:52,640
Speaker 7: Now they're doing a work retreat because they knew they

1593
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:56,320
Speaker 7: couldn't get away with another. So this time they bring

1594
01:25:56,400 --> 01:26:00,080
Speaker 7: someone into this unusual work retreat where like it's everything

1595
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 7: HR would hate, like sexual harassment happens in front of

1596
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:04,799
Speaker 7: him and he's like, so it's all these weird, awkward

1597
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 7: things where they're catching.

1598
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 3: Can I love a retreat? I want us to go

1599
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 3: on a work retreat, you know it just.

1600
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 2: Like we don't get enough like days off and we're

1601
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 2: in different cities. But it's all the April thing because

1602
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 2: I just really want us to be able to.

1603
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 3: I don't know how a work retreat sound. I love it.

1604
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 4: Before let's go, it's done.

1605
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:33,640
Speaker 3: Deal, dumb deal, another talkback.

1606
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:37,720
Speaker 11: Hi, it's Carla, and I love you guys and the

1607
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 11: whole team.

1608
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 8: And I wanted to leave a talk back about go

1609
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 8: bags and emergency kits because you also need to.

1610
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:46,680
Speaker 11: Remember your pets. So I hope I can get this

1611
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:47,959
Speaker 11: still in in the quick.

1612
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:51,759
Speaker 12: Time vaccination records with a printed picture attached to it,

1613
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 12: a pet.

1614
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 1: First aid kit, micro chip.

1615
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 12: Records, backup callers named eglicias, carriers, blankets, towels, bowls, bottled water,

1616
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 12: flood and treat refresh those every six months, toys.

1617
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 5: I have everything, accept I have everything, except I don't

1618
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 5: know why I would need vaccination records.

1619
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 3: You try to get vaccination that record ending and I

1620
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 3: have my go bag.

1621
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 5: They're not going to be stopping me because Lemon didn't

1622
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 5: get a board of teleshop.

1623
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:27,640
Speaker 3: Well what if they do? Yeah, you want an airplane?

1624
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 5: An airplane the world is ending, a comet is landing

1625
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 5: on the ocean, where am I going?

1626
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 4: Or body, if it is something that is happening specifically,

1627
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 4: may God forbid it in Las Vegas, and you need

1628
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 4: to get out, like when I with.

1629
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:49,719
Speaker 3: You know again the fires which I bring up.

1630
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 5: I mean, I travel with the dogs and I've never

1631
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 5: gotten stopped because to see my vaccination the dogs.

1632
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not going to get stopped.

1633
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 2: It's just a matter of if you can't go home again,

1634
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 2: what do you really need to have in your go bag.

1635
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 3: I think it's the spirit of that.

1636
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 2: And if your dogs can't go home again again, may

1637
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:09,800
Speaker 2: God forbid, you know. But if you're going to be

1638
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 2: gone for an extended period of time, you know, and

1639
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:14,679
Speaker 2: you don't want to have to deal with any vaccination chatter.

1640
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 2: Also the other one that somebody just reminded me of today,

1641
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:21,639
Speaker 2: obviously everybody should go to the bank and get out

1642
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 2: some cash if you can. That should be a tomorrow thing, honestly, everybody,

1643
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 2: Like I'm not spreading some panic, but as much as

1644
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 2: you can, and again you probably don't want it in

1645
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:36,760
Speaker 2: hundreds if you can get smaller bills. The spirit of

1646
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 2: that is if for some reason. Let's just say the

1647
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 2: grid God forbid went out, or if just the make

1648
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:44,880
Speaker 2: machines went out for a hot minute, if you needed

1649
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 2: to buy stuff or raid things.

1650
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:49,680
Speaker 3: No one's going to be able to break a hundred.

1651
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 2: If it's not at an actual cash machine, so you know,

1652
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:55,720
Speaker 2: get things in you know, fives, tens, twenties.

1653
01:28:55,320 --> 01:29:00,599
Speaker 3: What have you. And although they don't exist anymore anymore.

1654
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:04,679
Speaker 2: Lighters, matches, by the way, I have that.

1655
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 5: I have waterproof matches, and I have an electric lighter

1656
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 5: that I can charge. I have several like I have

1657
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 5: three or four different solar charges in my bag. I

1658
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 5: do have the dog bowls and then you know the

1659
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:19,799
Speaker 5: collapsible they collapse in on themselves.

1660
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:23,519
Speaker 2: They don't think any medications that you may need, including

1661
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:25,640
Speaker 2: tail and all iodine.

1662
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:29,440
Speaker 3: I have iodine in mine. Make sure you remember your son.

1663
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 3: This is becoming like a suitcase now that tampons you

1664
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 3: got there. I have my big bag. I should try.

1665
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:39,160
Speaker 5: I should bring it over here and show you guys

1666
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 5: one day.

1667
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 3: I mean, I have a mind. You can't care. You

1668
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 3: can put it on here, you can, okay, But no.

1669
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 2: Having kind of lived a little small version of this

1670
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 2: non apocalyptic one thing, I had in my go bag

1671
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 2: pre fires was just like all my dirty old work

1672
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 2: clothes that I would never wear again but didn't want

1673
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 2: to throw away, so they somehow made it into that bag.

1674
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 3: Makes total sense.

1675
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:08,600
Speaker 2: You know, sneakers that you have, but then you end

1676
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 2: up wearing the damn ugliest clothes. So in your bag

1677
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 2: you should have just whatever the closet, your favorite most

1678
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:19,840
Speaker 2: comfortable items, whatever that may be for you.

1679
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 3: For me, it's like sweatpants, you.

1680
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:26,040
Speaker 2: Know, sweatpants, my cozy T shirt, but just imagine that

1681
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:28,519
Speaker 2: you might be in it for five days. That was

1682
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:30,519
Speaker 2: a mistake that I made, So I only had my

1683
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 2: the crappiest, ugliest, oldest clothes with like worn down shoes,

1684
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 2: and then you end up like living in it for

1685
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 2: close to a week.

1686
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:39,679
Speaker 3: That's kind of lame.

1687
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 2: So I would just actually get something nice that you

1688
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:44,760
Speaker 2: like that's small in compact, you know, just like a

1689
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:46,760
Speaker 2: little jumpsuit or maybe just.

1690
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 5: Legging a little simple is get like one of those

1691
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 5: vacuum seal bags. Make it so small that I can't

1692
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 5: just throw it in there. I'm going to do that

1693
01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:57,120
Speaker 5: this weekend because I like something that.

1694
01:30:57,040 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 2: You wouldn't be uncomfortable in and that you wouldn't be mine,

1695
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 2: you know, you wouldn't mind being and you want to

1696
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:05,679
Speaker 2: have something to sleep in if you sleep in something,

1697
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,439
Speaker 2: you know, the smallest little stuff the most.

1698
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 4: But I re upped my sockstats for sure comfortable.

1699
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 5: I think the most important thing I have, there's I

1700
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 5: think there's two most three. Three most important things I

1701
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 5: have is the wind up radio because it's in you know,

1702
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:26,599
Speaker 5: it's an actual like analog radio like air waves, right,

1703
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:29,639
Speaker 5: because you know, something happens with the grid. At least

1704
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 5: I have that and it winds up. It's also a

1705
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 5: flashlight and it's solar powered and it has a USB charger.

1706
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 5: Was fourteen dollars and it works. I've tested it. The

1707
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:43,599
Speaker 5: second most important thing I have is a life straw. Oh,

1708
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:47,640
Speaker 5: it's a life straw. It's that you can stick in

1709
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:50,639
Speaker 5: the water, in dirty water and it purifies the water

1710
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:51,639
Speaker 5: as you're drinking, it.

1711
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:55,240
Speaker 3: Goes through the straw. Yes, yeah, life straw.

1712
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 5: And then the third thing I have that's I think

1713
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 5: is really important and I carry it in my car

1714
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 5: is Pokey Stick and it's a fishing pole. It's a

1715
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 5: and it's not this big, it's only like maybe eight

1716
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 5: inches long, but it expands, it's a fishing pole, it's

1717
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 5: got a compass, and it will also break windows.

1718
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:15,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1719
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 2: Can I add one more thing to think about that

1720
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 2: I just ordered but I haven't gotten yet, is like

1721
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 2: a book of maps, because again and then, when was

1722
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 2: the last time you had a map in your hand?

1723
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:34,640
Speaker 2: And that's also take to get a little notebook. And

1724
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:36,599
Speaker 2: I'm going to do this after the show tonight. In fact,

1725
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 2: and your family members, your friends, your immediate people, write

1726
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:45,640
Speaker 2: their phone numbers down and their home addresses, because god forbid.

1727
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:45,960
Speaker 3: We don't use it.

1728
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:48,599
Speaker 2: We can't get our phones, we lose access, we can't

1729
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 2: even like, we don't even know where to go. We

1730
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:53,800
Speaker 2: don't have people's addresses or a letter if we want

1731
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 2: to send it. So just like your immediate people, this

1732
01:32:56,479 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 2: sounds very insane, but just for peace of mind the moment, we.

1733
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 3: Also had a little nuts but and like some of the.

1734
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:08,679
Speaker 2: Nutty things that we've been talking about are like nuttally

1735
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:09,639
Speaker 2: coming true.

1736
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:12,120
Speaker 3: So you know, I don't it's.

1737
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:15,920
Speaker 5: Really interesting what they have these little packs of soap,

1738
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 5: but they're like slivers. Have you seen these?

1739
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and then they like get they get bigger

1740
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 3: with soap.

1741
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:25,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like a little sponge with soap in it.

1742
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 5: And they're tiny, tiny, tiny, and a pack of one

1743
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:31,559
Speaker 5: hundred of them is probably the size of a playing

1744
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:34,160
Speaker 5: cards because listen, if you're going to be in these

1745
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 5: gross clothes for five days, you wonder wash up somehow

1746
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:42,559
Speaker 5: you're gonna start to crush paste exactly, and then waterproof

1747
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:45,760
Speaker 5: matches are probably I think you have to have those things.

1748
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:46,720
Speaker 4: I think, yea.

1749
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 3: I have a knife too.

1750
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 5: I have camping equipment like pots and pans.

1751
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:59,639
Speaker 3: I have never felt I don't know why I did.

1752
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:02,640
Speaker 5: I can't remember what was going on. COVID made me,

1753
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:04,599
Speaker 5: do me mean sane? COVID made me insane?

1754
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:08,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well now we had the test run. Now

1755
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:12,679
Speaker 2: we had the test run. That's the government put on us.

1756
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 2: Nice that I called all the rules on that one too,

1757
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:20,200
Speaker 2: But I digress. Well, listen, tomorrow we have many exciting

1758
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:22,519
Speaker 2: things to be discussing, taha. Which would be most looking

1759
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:26,720
Speaker 2: forward to are no pop Star. We're covering that tomorrow, right, and.

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01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 7: We're doing it with forensic expert Joseph Scott Morgan.

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01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 2: Morgan Okay, great, so he's going to be back with

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01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:54,160
Speaker 2: us tomorrow, and listen, we hope you have a great Tuesday.