1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang. On today's show, Zach Kershman joins me. Together, 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: we're joined by Tom Pelliicerol, NFL Network insider and all 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: around good guy. 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 2: That's right. 5 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: He gave us a lot of his time when he 6 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: was in town recently for Inside training camp. The conversation 7 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: covered Jonathan Gannon, his staff, Kyler Murray, of course, as 8 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: well as the rest of the NFC West and many 9 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: of the top storylines around the league. It's Cardinals Cover two, 10 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: Episode seven to seventy nine, and it starts now. 11 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 3: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 12 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: Poda Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable. 13 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 3: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 14 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 3: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 3: dot Com slash podcast. 16 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: He's a the ten half five. 17 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: He's it again. 18 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: Some more hurry magic. 19 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 3: Whow Here's Craig Grioler. 20 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: So no practice or availability on this Monday, Yet here 21 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: we are Zach again. It's the no days off mantra 22 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: of Bill Belichick. 23 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: No days off. 24 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 4: I can't even tell you the last time we had 25 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 4: a day off. 26 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,199 Speaker 1: It feels like well, Sunday was a day off, true, 27 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: but here we are back on Monday. 28 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 2: Now that's fair, that's fair. 29 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 4: Its just it's the Mondays. It's a case of the Mondays. 30 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 4: That's all it is. 31 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: Of course. The Red and White practice. Shout out to 32 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: the Bird Gang. Overall, a record twenty six thousand in 33 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: attendance at State Farm Stadium. Still can't still can't wrap 34 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: my hands around just the different vibe it was on 35 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon compared to previous years. Yes, the crowd was alive. 36 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: They were handed out flags to fans as far as 37 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: you know, cardinal flags out and the stands. It just 38 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: it felt different. And it was a good, hopefully precursor 39 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: of what's to come a week or actually to say 40 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: in a couple of days from now, well later this 41 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: week on Saturday, when that first preseason game arrives. 42 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 4: Prior to Saturday's Red White practice, I was looking at 43 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 4: the videos on my phone from the previous Red White 44 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,399 Speaker 4: practice from twenty twenty three, and man, what a difference. 45 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 4: And you could sell, you could sense just how excited 46 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 4: this fan base really is. They were loud, and they 47 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 4: were out there, and it wasn't like they were just 48 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 4: screaming at their favorite players to get their autographs, as 49 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 4: opposed to some of the video I have from last year. 50 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 4: It's you see James Connor running along the sidelines playing 51 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 4: catch with some of the fans in between drills. When 52 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 4: he's not doing something, you see the players interacting with 53 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 4: the fans. It truly is something special, and it's not 54 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 4: just like it's the team, the culture, it's the fan base, 55 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 4: it's the entire Bird Gang. It's the city, it's the valley, 56 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 4: it's everybody coming in together. It's not just about the team, 57 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 4: but the fans are also a part of this team 58 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 4: to make it a whole global type thing. 59 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: But a baker brought it up post practice. Michael Wilson 60 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: brought it up post practice on how much of a 61 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: game like vibe there was because of the fans in attendance. 62 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: There are two more open practices on Tuesday and Wednesday 63 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: of this week, and then that's it. Thursday, the last 64 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: dray of Cards camp is a closed practice and the 65 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: preseason opener on Saturday, August tenth against in Orlands Saints. 66 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: So time is running out if you want to come 67 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: out to see the Cardinals before the preseason and regular season. 68 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 4: There's no there's no cooler thing, at least in my opinion, 69 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 4: then seeing how a team is evolving. You get to 70 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 4: see them from the start, the origin, the training camp, 71 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 4: the grind, the grind time, and then you get to 72 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 4: see them hopefully turning those those moments, those training camp 73 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 4: practices into wins. And if you're a fan and you 74 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 4: get to say, I saw this happen from the from 75 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 4: the very jump, I was bought in, kudos to you. 76 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: You win, you win the you win. 77 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 4: The offseason, as Paul Calvicy likes to. 78 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: Say, speaking of practice. Last Thursday, the NFL Network was 79 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: at State Farm Stadium for its Inside Training Camp show. 80 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: NFL insider Tom Pellisero was part of that broadcast, and 81 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: after their broadcast ended, he was kind enough to join 82 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: us here on Cardinals Cover two. Well, first off, thanks 83 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: for joining us here out at Cards camp. In your 84 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: first impressions on what you saw here from Jonathan Gannon 85 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: and company. 86 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 5: This was a highly competitive team last year that was 87 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 5: constantly punching above their weight. It's you know, you were 88 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 5: in a transition phase. I think that Monty has done 89 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 5: a really good job a massing assets, you know, the 90 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 5: trade that he made in his first draft to pick 91 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 5: up additional draft capital like that. Stuff's huge when you're 92 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 5: talking about really turning over the roster. And so the 93 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 5: things that jump out, not just from my eyes but 94 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 5: just from talking to people here is the competition level 95 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 5: is better positions like wide receiver. It's not just Marvin 96 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 5: Harrison Junior. It's bringing in Zay Jones, and it's filling 97 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 5: out kind of the back end of the roster, and 98 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 5: better competition. Same thing at the running back position. You know, 99 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 5: are they if you're stacking at the NFC West right now, 100 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 5: I think that you'd be hard pressed to not rank 101 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 5: them fourth out of four on paper, just because you know, 102 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 5: you've got the San Francisco team that's a perennial contender. 103 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 5: You've got the Rams, who they got to figre out 104 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 5: how to replace Aaron Donald. But anytime you have Matthew 105 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 5: Stafford and Sean McVay, you're gonna be a playoff contender. 106 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 5: And then the Seahawks were so dismayed by what they 107 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 5: felt was underachieving at nine to eight that they moved 108 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 5: on from Pete Carroll. So they're absolutely anticipating that they 109 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 5: can make a big leap forward here for the Cardinals, though, 110 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 5: the expectations do ratchet up. And we had Gannon on 111 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 5: Inside Training Camp Live, and you know, I asked him 112 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 5: about that. 113 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 2: You know the fact that it's all well. 114 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 5: And good, that hey really competitive team and you beat 115 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 5: the Steelers and the Eagles and the Cowboys. 116 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 2: But four wins is four wins. The goal is higher 117 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: than that. 118 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 5: And what Gannon said was, you know, even last year 119 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 5: he felt like if they played at their best, they 120 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 5: could beat anybody. They could hang with anybody. Now, your 121 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 5: talent level, there's no question just looking at the roster 122 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 5: that they're more talented than they were a year ago. 123 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 5: There another year into that team building phase. Your draft 124 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 5: class from a year ago, you're hoping is taking a 125 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 5: big leap forward here if it revolves you're on the 126 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 5: quarterback and Kyler Murray, but you also have to look 127 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 5: at all the pieces they're trying to put around him. 128 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 4: Well, we talked to j G at the end of 129 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 4: the at the end of the season last year, he said, 130 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 4: those four wins, when you look at it, it wasn't 131 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 4: good enough. So I get what you're saying there. When 132 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 4: you spoke to JG on the show, earlier on early 133 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 4: on Thursday. What are your impressions of the head coach. 134 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 5: Well, I mean I've known I've known him for a 135 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 5: while now. You know, he was in Minnesota, I live 136 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 5: in I live in Minneapolis, and you know, we we've 137 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 5: talked through the years. I mean, he's that energy level. 138 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,799 Speaker 5: I think that people were almost taken aback by it initially, 139 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 5: but that's his personality. Like, yeah, it's it's a little 140 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 5: bit different personality. But I think the what you see 141 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 5: is now he's he's kind of a little bit more 142 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 5: comfortable in the surroundings. He's going to bring that and 143 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 5: he's gonna needle guys. 144 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: You know, he was. 145 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 5: Talking about Kyler and we were asking a bunch of 146 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 5: Kyler questions, and I know how much he can't stand 147 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 5: the fact that people still talk about, oh the work 148 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 5: ethic and the leadership, and you know, it's almost like 149 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 5: when does it end? Like what what does he have 150 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 5: to do to show that it's not that? But you know, 151 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 5: we were we're talking about and I was like, man, Kyler, 152 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 5: you know when he's when he's moving like he can 153 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 5: because now he's not coming off the ACL at this 154 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 5: time of year ago, he's in sweats, but he can 155 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 5: be a pain in the ass the defensive coordinators, right, 156 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 5: And Gann was just telling the story about the air 157 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 5: day in practice. He's like, hey, he saw Kyler take 158 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 5: off and he runs forty yards and he goes to 159 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 5: the next play he misses a throw. I think there's 160 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 5: a lot of bress. So you gotta you know, you 161 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 5: guys should get on about that, like you got to 162 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 5: get in shape, little man, Like that's the stuff he 163 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 5: can say. People might look at the quote be like, 164 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 5: oh my god, why is he saying that, But it's like, no, 165 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 5: that's that's his personality. And Kyler's got some of that 166 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 5: to him too. So I think it's a really cool 167 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 5: kind of mesh here in terms of those guys. You know, 168 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 5: Jonathan is again he's a he's a different type of personality. 169 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 5: He is really confident in his abilities. That's going to 170 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 5: flow through everybody else on staff and through the locker room. 171 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 5: And he's got such a young coaching staff too. I 172 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 5: don't think you can overlook this because Jeff Rodgers is 173 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 5: still here as a special teams coordinator. He's been doing 174 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 5: it forever and Jeff's a great guy. Uh, But Drew 175 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 5: Petsing now goes into year two. Nick rawlis who would 176 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 5: be the second most famous person in the NFL from 177 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 5: me down in high school behind somebody sitting in this room. 178 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 5: Those guys are in their second year now, and they've 179 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 5: learned and they've gotten better. I think that there's a 180 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 5: lot of reasons to buy the upside on this team, 181 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 5: though again on paper, you almost have to put him 182 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 5: forth out of four, and I just think that the 183 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 5: way that the gannon is geared, he kind of likes 184 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 5: that that, even though they should be better and the 185 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 5: expectations are higher, let everybody doubt him and we're gonna 186 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 5: go punch him in the face. 187 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: Hearing you talk about this coaching staff players, it's year 188 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: one to year two. 189 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 2: That jump? 190 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: Is there a similar jump when you're talking about a 191 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: first time head coach going into year two and first 192 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: time coordinators going into year two? 193 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 5: Well, I think that they're definitely for the coordinators, just 194 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 5: because you're growing into it the first time around. I mean, 195 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 5: Drew is a really smart guy. He's a future head 196 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 5: coach in the league Rawless, I don't even want to 197 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 5: put future head coach on him yet because he's like 198 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 5: thirty years old. I mean, like, let's just let's go well, 199 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 5: but I know, like what, I know a smart those 200 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 5: guys for me, Diane are and I know kind of 201 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 5: like why everybody believes in him and you know why 202 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 5: he became the youngest coordinator ever. I think that it 203 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 5: always helps, like anything in our jobs. You know, the 204 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 5: first time through my first year as a beat writer 205 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 5: in two thousand and three, I didn't know what I 206 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 5: was doing. I tried really hard and I tried to learn. 207 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 5: In two thousand and four, I was better at it, 208 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 5: you know, and then over time, it's twenty plus years later, 209 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 5: and I hope I'm better at it, but you know, 210 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 5: you're still you're feeling it out. I think that having 211 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 5: gone through it and called games, having that experience under 212 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 5: your belt is is. 213 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: Always going to be beneficial. 214 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 5: I think that for head coaches, and I've always said this, 215 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 5: I always think one of the biggest dangers. Nobody wants 216 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 5: to go four to thirteen, right, Nobody wants that to 217 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 5: be the record that you have. But realistically, were the 218 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 5: Cardinals personnel wise better than a four and thirteen team, 219 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 5: You could easily make the argument they were worse, especially 220 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 5: before Kyler was playing because you're you know, you're playing 221 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 5: with Josh Dobbs, you acquired two weeks before the start 222 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 5: of the season, three weeks before whatever it was, and 223 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 5: just trying to make the best of it. I've always 224 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 5: thought one of the most dangerous things that can happen 225 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 5: with a young head coach is you overachieve in year one. 226 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 5: Go back to last year with Brian Dable and the Giants. 227 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 5: They in his first year in twenty twenty two, they win, 228 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 5: I think they were ten and seven or eleven and six. 229 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 5: They go to the playoffs, they beat the Vikings in 230 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 5: Minnesota in the playoffs, and Dable's smoking cigars and he 231 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 5: signed autographs and everybody always fixed it. And then last 232 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 5: year they go six and eleven, and everyone's like. 233 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 2: Should they fired Dable? Like what happened to these guys? 234 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 5: It's like, well, everyone on the team got hurt, for starters, 235 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 5: the quarterback, the running back, the left tackle, like they 236 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 5: were devastated by injuries. But also they weren't a ten 237 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 5: to eleven win team in twenty twenty two. They won 238 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 5: a lot of go back and look they won all 239 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 5: close games. Same thing the year before with the same 240 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 5: year with the Vikings, they won a lot of close games. 241 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 2: It's like that's not replicable. 242 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 5: The best teams last game. In the analytics communitee, the 243 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 5: best teams are gonna die dominate inferior opponents. The teams 244 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 5: that are winning close games. Yes, they're coaching in that right. 245 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 5: It's situational football, but then also luck involved, and there's 246 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 5: a bounce here and there, and there's a good or 247 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 5: bad play here and there. So I think that having 248 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 5: four wins as the baseline is actually a benefit going 249 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 5: into year two because if somehow this team had won 250 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 5: seven eight games last year, which they had no business 251 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 5: doing based on where the personnel was, then you're going, okay, 252 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 5: it's got to be playoffs this year. This allows them 253 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 5: to kind of ease into it. I don't think that 254 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 5: there's a heavy degree of pressure on You can't go 255 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 5: out and go two and fifteen this year. But if 256 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 5: you're able to take that next step forward again with 257 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 5: a really young team that's growing, you can show that 258 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 5: you're going in a positive direction and we're not leaning 259 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 5: upon outcome based analysis to say well, you won this 260 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 5: last year, now you won this, you might be a 261 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 5: better team and win fewer games. That's not gonna be 262 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 5: the case here because you're coming off four and thirteen. 263 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: The major conversation with this team obviously is Kyler Murray 264 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: year six. He's no longer that young player, is now 265 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: the veteran in that room. And you talked earlier about 266 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: the narrative whether it's local or national. The next step 267 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: for him, obviously it has to be winning ball games 268 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: because that will quiet all the talk correct. 269 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 5: For Kyler, Yes, yeah, absolutely, And I think that Kyler 270 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 5: has won games. I mean he went to the playoffs. 271 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 5: You know, it wasn't a great playoff game against the Rams, 272 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 5: but like you know, he's been to the playoffs, he 273 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 5: has won football games. He's he's played at a high level. 274 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 5: I think that, you know, for him, and just talking 275 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 5: to people within the league, it's about making that transition 276 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 5: from being a guy who's a highlight reel player or 277 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 5: where you put the highlight reel on you're like, oh my. 278 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 2: Gosh, this guy's great. 279 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 5: And in those moments Kyler Murray can be great. But 280 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 5: then if you watch the whole game, is he consistently 281 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 5: making the reads, is he playing in rhythm? Is the 282 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 5: ball going to the right spot? And those are all 283 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 5: things that you know, they take time, and they take repetition, 284 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 5: and Kyler lost, you know, a lot of time last summer. 285 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 5: He wasn't repping stuff at this time of year, you know, 286 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 5: in training camp. You know, I just saw him down 287 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 5: there and you know, spoke them very briefly. 288 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: I know. 289 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 5: Kyler's very confident. He's a prideful type of guy. He 290 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 5: wants to go out and have success. And I think 291 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 5: that that's where I when I talk about Gannon kind 292 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 5: of being sick of like what, you know, what does 293 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 5: Kyler have to do for people to stop saying that stuff. Well, 294 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 5: Kyler has to do what he's been doing behind the scenes, 295 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 5: which is everyone I've talked to over two years. And 296 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 5: I saw this team last year when Kyler wasn't practicing 297 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 5: yet and they had the joint practice up in Minnesota, 298 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 5: and I talked to everybody there and it was they 299 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 5: haven't seen any of that stuff, whatever was said in 300 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 5: the past about Kyler and whatnot, even when he was 301 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 5: hurt last summer when he wasn't practicing, He's in every meeting, 302 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 5: He's engaged in every meeting. He wants it. Now, let's 303 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 5: find out last year they were what three and six 304 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 5: I want to say once he came back, or three 305 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 5: and five with with Kyler as the starter, Parco five five, 306 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 5: so they're three and five with them down the stretch. Well, 307 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 5: that's him coming in cold. How many times does a 308 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 5: quarterback come in midway through the season coming off an 309 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 5: injury and had success. Doesn't happen a whole lot for 310 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 5: one thing, But it's also it's hard because it's a 311 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 5: you know, it's all about rhythm and timing and tempo 312 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 5: in NFL passing offenses. So now he's out there getting 313 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 5: all the time. He looks I mean, he looks fantastic 314 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 5: if I don't know what level of atrophy there might 315 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 5: have been last year just coming off of that injury. 316 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 5: But it's hard when you can't lift lower body for 317 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 5: months on end, like he's always had, like the biggest thighs, 318 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 5: the biggest button. I mean that in a complimentary way, 319 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 5: like he is for a short guy, like he is 320 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 5: thickly built. All that's back now it's is he still 321 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 5: as elusive? I mean the one thing, the one depreciating 322 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 5: asset for any player, but in particular quarterbacks, is the elusiveness. 323 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 5: It's the speed it's the scramble ability if you lose 324 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 5: a little bit of it. I mean, look at Russell 325 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 5: Wilson over the past several years here, from the start 326 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 5: of really the twenty what was that the twenty twenty 327 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 5: season might going way back. My years are getting lost 328 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 5: in here, but the whole let Russ Cook thing and 329 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 5: he's playing great. Then he started throwing a bunch of interceptions. 330 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 5: Pete Carroll was like, I don't recognize this team, and 331 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 5: then they went back to just playing stallball, run the football. 332 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 5: They end up firing Brian Schottenheimer because he had it 333 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 5: rolling and then all of a sudden it wasn't. And 334 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 5: then they decided, you know, this was not gonna work. 335 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 5: They're bringing a different coordinator, but us, you know where 336 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 5: it fell off for him was just that little extra elusiveness, 337 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 5: and we saw it twenty twenty two. He came in 338 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 5: way heavier in Denver and he just couldn't move the 339 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 5: same way. You know, Kyler's in again, fantastic shape. He's 340 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 5: not as old as Russell was at that time in 341 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 5: his career, but you never get faster as you get older, 342 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 5: you don't become more elusive. Let's see him with a 343 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 5: real offseason. Does he move Can he make those things happen? 344 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 5: Because if he still has that element in his game, 345 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 5: all these other things in terms of operating the offense 346 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 5: and playing in rhythm, it enhances your ability to do 347 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 5: that because teams so fear the mobility. It impacts the coverages, 348 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 5: the schemes you face, It impacts the math of how 349 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 5: they're trying to stop you. And when you have a 350 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 5: guy like Marvin Harrison Junior, if you can't double cover 351 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 5: to that guy often in a game, there's going to 352 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 5: be playmaking opportunities for him. Ever since high school, Kyler 353 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 5: was always that guy and we've been able to see 354 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 5: his transition from college to the NFL on he always 355 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 5: was that most well known player on the field. What 356 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 5: would you say is the most underrated aspect of this 357 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 5: Cardinals team? Though, because we're always going to be talking 358 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 5: about Kyler, Murray, Marvin Harrison Junior. But in your eyes, Tom, 359 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 5: what would you say is the most underrated aspect of 360 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 5: this team? 361 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 2: Well? 362 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 5: I think that we haven't really even talked about the defense. 363 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 5: All the talk is gonna be about Kyler and Marvin 364 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 5: Harrison and James Connors. Is a big season for him, 365 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 5: he's in a contract year. They've invested in the offensive 366 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 5: line with Paris Johnson now bringing in Jonah Williams. I 367 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 5: think defensively, outside of Buddha Baker, how many fans around 368 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 5: the country can name three guys on the Cardinals defense. 369 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 5: I mean that respectfully. I don't know that I can 370 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 5: sit here and name three guys on the Cardinals defense 371 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 5: completely off the top of my end. I know they 372 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 5: drafted Max Melton, and they drafted Robinson, a lot of 373 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 5: the other guys. Davin Collins is still here, a former 374 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 5: first round pick, but these are not like household names. 375 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 5: So for Gannon and Rawless, this is going to be 376 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 5: the big challenge is being able to take that scheme, 377 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 5: which again they I mean, they played tough against some 378 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 5: pretty good opponents last year. It's doing that consistently and 379 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 5: those young guys coming along. I keep going back to that, 380 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 5: and that's something that you're talking to Manty earlier today. 381 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 5: He was saying too, it's everybody always looks at like 382 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 5: the rookie class, and what's the rookie class. 383 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 2: Going to do? 384 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 5: The second year guys are the ones who, for the 385 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 5: first time, they got a real offseason and they weren't 386 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 5: spending all their time training for things that aren't football. Rookies, man, 387 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 5: when they come in the league and they've gone through 388 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 5: the gauntlet of the whole pre draft process and then 389 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 5: you're Pro Day, and then you're right into the draft 390 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 5: and then right into rookie Mini camp, right into OTA. 391 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 5: Is like guys can get worn out and they don't 392 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 5: have that additional time on task through the spring. So 393 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 5: those guys are the ones who you have to be 394 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:40,959 Speaker 5: looking at and saying, all right, if you're gonna take 395 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 5: a leap forward or you for a guy like Zaven Collins, 396 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 5: who I believe was in year four, right, he got 397 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 5: his fifty year option declined, and you know, this is a. 398 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 2: Big year for him. 399 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 5: We've seen dudes who have had their fifty year option 400 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 5: decline and they go out and they play their ass 401 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 5: off and all a sudden they get a monster contract. 402 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 5: So Saven step up. The second year dude, step up, like, 403 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 5: let's see there's no more you know learning. Yeah, the 404 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 5: young guys, the rookies have to learn. But for the 405 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 5: everybody else, this is the scheme. Go out and play 406 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 5: fast and let's see what you can do again. Knowing 407 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 5: that in your own division, you're gonna be going up 408 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 5: against some some pretty good players. 409 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: Since you are here and you are the NFL Network insider, 410 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: so we can we call you the insider. Is that 411 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: gonna upset your courts? 412 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 5: No? 413 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 2: I mean, okay, I'm the tallest. 414 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: I like that this season, what intrigues you? What has 415 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: you most interested in? And if it's the new kickoff, 416 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: it's a new kickoff, But is there something league wide 417 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: that has your attention upcoming? 418 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 5: I do think that the kickoff is super interesting because 419 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 5: the people the coaches I talked to who were especially 420 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 5: head coaches who were against it or were skeptical of it, 421 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 5: felt like as much as it had been a play 422 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 5: that had been so unimpactful, as Trevins put a dead 423 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 5: ceremonial play, it didn't even matter to now we could 424 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 5: actually overemphasize it because you're basically looking at on paper, 425 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 5: this looks like cover zero. Every snap, it's break one tackle, 426 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 5: get through, just create one crease, and guys are gonna 427 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 5: be going to the house. I think that you know, 428 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 5: in my travels, and this is the sixth of twelve 429 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 5: camps that I'm going to in a twelve day span, 430 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 5: here just watching how different teams are repping in without 431 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 5: giving away who's doing what and scheme and stuff. I 432 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 5: think you're gonna see a lot of directional kicking. I 433 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 5: think you're gonna see a lot of pop up kicking. 434 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 5: I think you're gonna see teams, basically from a kickoff perspective, 435 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 5: trying to cut the field in half, almost like Coffin 436 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 5: corner style kicking, because you had to land the ball 437 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 5: in the setup zone. That's what for all the talk 438 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 5: about well we'll use position players, you don't want the 439 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 5: kicker being involved. I don't know how much we're gonna 440 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 5: see that, because you need to have somebody who can 441 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 5: place the ball. It's not just hey, justin Reid go 442 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 5: bang it through the end zone. It's we got to 443 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 5: be able to pop it up and get the hang 444 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 5: time and put it right here and do that on 445 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 5: a consistent basis. I think it's gon fascinating. Then how 446 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 5: do the kick return teams counter that. I've seen teams 447 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 5: try throwbacks in camp. I've seen reverses. I've seen unique 448 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 5: blocking techniques of like drills that are basically the foundation 449 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 5: of them are trail blocking, which I've never really seen before. 450 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 5: In other words, the blocker starts a yard behind the 451 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 5: block e because they're so close in the setupsode that 452 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 5: odds are those guys are gonna get by? So how 453 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 5: do you now teach guys to get a block on 454 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 5: without getting called for holding when they're blocking from behind? 455 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 5: You're gonna see better players with the ball in their hands. 456 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 5: I would predict you're gonna see like starting caliber players 457 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 5: being back there. I mean, if you're facing the Lions, 458 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 5: would you rather see whatever special team or they put 459 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 5: back there, or would you see Jamison Williams. Just from 460 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 5: a fan perspective, give me Jmo and let's see what 461 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 5: happens on these kickoffs. I think you're going to see 462 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 5: a lot of that that'll play out through the course 463 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 5: of the preseason. I think that the other big storylines 464 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 5: in the league this year, and some of these things 465 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 5: will be resolved in the coming weeks. But it's you know, 466 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 5: the state of the Dallas Cowboys. Mike McCarthy is in 467 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 5: a contract year, Dak Prescott's in a contract year. I 468 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 5: don't ever remember a quarterback head coach combo both entering 469 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 5: the last year of their contract, much less two guys 470 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 5: who have won twelve games together three years in a row. 471 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 5: I understand the Packers playoff game was not good. It 472 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 5: went to hell from the beginning. But that's, you know, 473 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 5: obviously the Ceedee Lamb situation, Like that's a really intriguing 474 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 5: kind of macro storyline. It's what happens in Pittsburgh, not 475 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 5: just in camp in the preseason, but through the season. 476 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 5: With Russell Wilson, justin Fields two more guys who, by 477 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 5: the way, are in contract years right now. I think 478 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 5: that there's some really intriguing divisions. The AFC North is 479 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 5: certainly one of them. When you look at just you know, 480 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 5: the quarterbacks from top to bottom, not even that they're 481 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 5: all necessarily I mean, Deshaun Watson, we haven't seen sustain 482 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 5: a high level of play. You know, he didn't play 483 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 5: in twenty one, suspended in twenty two last year, plays 484 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 5: best game against Baltimore with a broken shoulder, and then 485 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 5: didn't play again. But Joe Burrow, who again another guy 486 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 5: who's had a lot of injuries coming off one, he's back. 487 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 5: Lamar's the MVP. I think that division top to bottom 488 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 5: is really interesting. I think the NFC North is really 489 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 5: interesting from top to bottom. I mean, who's even the 490 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 5: best team. If you're talking about who's the best team 491 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 5: in the NFC, I think a lot of people would 492 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 5: say the forty nine ers. But who's the team most 493 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 5: likely to challenge them? It quite possibly be somebody from 494 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 5: the NFC North. But based on how the end of 495 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 5: the year went, the Lions were, of course playing at 496 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 5: a high level throughout the season. They nearly beat the 497 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 5: forty nine ers, but so did the Packers. The Packers 498 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 5: had the forty nine ers on the ropes the week before, 499 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 5: and they seem to be ascending with this really young 500 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 5: group with Jordan Love who just got paid on a 501 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 5: four year, two hundred twenty million dollar extension. All his 502 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 5: receivers last year were end tight ends. They were all 503 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 5: everyone on the roster was a rookie or a second 504 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 5: year guy. Those are no second and third year guys. 505 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 5: That's a team that looks like they're on the come. 506 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 5: I think that, Yeah, who can knock off the Chiefs? 507 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 5: That's probably the number one macro storyline. I mean, I 508 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 5: was in Chiefs camp, I don't know what day of 509 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 5: the week is three days ago, and I said this 510 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 5: on the Rich Eisend Show the other day. I know 511 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 5: everybody looks at Miami as like the ultimate track team, 512 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 5: and they they're faster than anybody. I would love to 513 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 5: see a Chiefs Dolphins like one on one battles of 514 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 5: like the top six fastest guys in the roster. I'm 515 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 5: telling you the Chiefs with Hollywood Brown, with Xavier Worthy, 516 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 5: Kadarius Tony, Rashi Rice. I mean, they've got a bunch 517 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 5: of extremely fast guys on that team. You know that 518 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 5: speed element. The Chiefs weren't even they weren't good on 519 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 5: offense for like a lot of last season. They founded 520 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 5: at the end, but I mean Christmas Day they got 521 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 5: blasted by the Raiders at home and then all of. 522 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 2: A sudden, Okay, they found it. 523 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 5: Kelsey didn't look like he has legs under him for 524 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 5: one reason or another throughout the course of the season. 525 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 5: He kind of found it in the playoffs. I think 526 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 5: that you know, they've invested on the offense after really 527 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 5: building that defense the last couple of years. I think 528 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 5: this might be a better Chiefs team seen the last 529 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 5: couple of years. So everybody looks at the AFC. I 530 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 5: just named a bunch of the teams everyone looks at 531 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 5: and says, hey, that that conference is stacked. Jim Harbaugh, 532 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 5: that's another huge storyline in the league. You know, I 533 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 5: was just in that camp obviously, justin Herbert's dealing with 534 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 5: a Planter Fasca injury, which will be something to follow here. 535 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 5: But the bars set really high for Jim Harbaugh first 536 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 5: year in San Francisco in twenty eleven. He takes a 537 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 5: team that was kind of a mess in that last 538 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 5: year under Mike Singletary and goes to the NFC Championship game. 539 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 2: So the AFC is stacked. 540 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 5: Buffalo's there, you know every single year, Aaron Rodgers and 541 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 5: the Jets. But who emerges out of the NFC in 542 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 5: my mind in the forty nine ers, just based on 543 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 5: they've done it. Brock Purty quietly has been a top 544 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 5: ten quarterback over the last couple of years. Kyle's one 545 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 5: of the best play callers offensive minds in all of football. 546 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 5: But they got, you know, transition. The Cardinals are the 547 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 5: only team, as Pep Hamilton point out during an NFL 548 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 5: never broadcast earlier, Cardinals are the only team that's the 549 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 5: same defensive coordinator from a year ago. Because the Rams 550 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 5: lo Austraheim Morris to the Falcons head coaching job. Chris 551 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 5: Shula comes in there, you've got Seattle totally revamped with 552 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 5: Mike McDonald and Aiden Dirt eight And then who am 553 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 5: I forgetting? I left somebody out here? At any rate 554 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 5: he did the same thing. Actually, that's kind of funny. No, 555 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 5: I did name all three. I named all three at 556 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 5: any rate. Oh, in the forty nine ers, they move 557 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 5: on from Steve Wilkes after going to the Super Bowl, 558 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 5: and Nick Sorenson and Brandon Staley are now there. I 559 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 5: knew I was forgetting somebody. Man, it's been it's been 560 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 5: a long few days, guys. I'm sorry, road I get it. 561 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 5: But you know, see all three of those teams with 562 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 5: significant transition on defense. I think that that's really fascinating 563 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 5: the NFC. Beyond the forty nine ers who have been there, 564 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 5: it does feel like it's kind of wide open. I 565 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 5: think that, you know, if you're asking people across the 566 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 5: country who are your Super Bowl favorites, it's like the 567 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 5: chiefs versus the field. It's everybody's chasing them and trying 568 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 5: to stop them from doing something that we've never seen. 569 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 5: This is the first time in twenty years we've even 570 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 5: seen a team get the opportunity to attempt a three 571 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 5: peat since the five Patriots, who of course fell short 572 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 5: of that. So that's a long winted answer to the question. 573 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 5: I mean, I think that there's always so many storylines. 574 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 5: You know the fact that you got all these quarterbacks 575 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 5: who have something on the line here, You've got a 576 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 5: really bright young group of quarterbacks that are coming up, 577 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 5: and then you got those guys like Kyler Murray here 578 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 5: who I think people nationwide don't really know what to 579 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 5: expect from Kyler Murray. They know the video game plays, 580 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 5: they know the reels that they see on Instagram and 581 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 5: TikTok and the highlights here and there, but can he 582 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 5: win at a high level? 583 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 2: I think he's in a good spot. I think the. 584 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 5: Cardinals in general are in a good spot because the 585 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 5: expectations internally are there, but externally it's still looked at 586 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 5: as Cardinals aren't going to be a factor right in 587 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 5: twenty twenty four, just realistically. I'm not saying that disrespectfully, 588 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 5: it's just I don't think people are looking for the 589 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 5: Cardinals to be a team that can go out and 590 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 5: make the playoffs. But you know, internally, they know how 591 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 5: competitive they were and they feel like the roster has 592 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 5: gotten that much better and those young guys should get 593 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 5: a year better here and finally healthy. I think there's 594 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 5: a lot of reason to be excited about watching the 595 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 5: Cardinals through the course of this season starting September eighth 596 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 5: in Buffalo. 597 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: I think that's a fair assessment and something that a 598 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: lot of fans around here feel as well. Yeah, obviously 599 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: have to prove it on the football field. Can't thank 600 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: you enough for your time. I'll leave you with this. 601 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: If Ian Rappaport can have a YouTube page, there's no 602 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: reason why Tom Pelli Cero can't have a You. 603 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 5: Two Pier's the thing like Ian posts he started a 604 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 5: TikTok last year or two years ago, and he was 605 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 5: posting like fifteen tiktoks a day. It was like like 606 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 5: literally like walking through the airport with my luggage and 607 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 5: like that was a TikTok. 608 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, what do you do? Like so you flound 609 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 2: him for it? 610 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, well then I joined TikTok. His first one, 611 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 5: his first TikTok, he was dancing. My first TikTok was 612 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 5: me reacting to him dancing and just staring at the camera. 613 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 5: So yeah, we we have a lot of fun. The 614 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 5: Insiders is a really fun show to do because me 615 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 5: Ian and UH and I have been closed for so long. 616 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 5: Judy Batista of course, is in the mix as well. 617 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 5: We have fun, We rag on you in a lot, 618 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 5: We do news, we break it down, you know. Excited 619 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 5: to be in primetime. The show is it's a little 620 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 5: sporadic right now because we run every preseason game. So 621 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 5: if you're somebody listening to this podcast out of state, 622 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 5: every Cardinals game will air eventually on NFL Network. We 623 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 5: got a whole bunch of live preseason games that we do. 624 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 5: But on the days that it's on seven pm Eastern 625 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 5: four pm Pacific, I never know what the hell time 626 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 5: it is in Arizona? 627 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 1: Is this Pacific right now? 628 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 2: Is there? 629 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 5: We are, like, I completely don't. I never know. I 630 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 5: never know what time it is here. But but yeah, 631 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,959 Speaker 5: to the extent that we're on, you know, please tune in. 632 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 5: We're a podcast now too, so people can can download that. iHeartRadio, 633 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 5: Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. And before you 634 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 5: know it, man, we're gonna have real live regular season 635 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 5: NFL football and I can't wait. 636 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait either. Tom again, appreciate it. Best 637 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: to luck in your travels and enjoy the season ahead. 638 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Fell, It's glad to be here. 639 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: Covered a lot there, didn't we a lot with Tom, 640 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: and honestly we could have kept going, but didn't want 641 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: to take up too much more of his time. And 642 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: again appreciate Tom joining us, because when you talk about 643 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: the NFL insiders, whether it's Tom or Mike Garrafola or 644 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: of course Ian Rappaport, you got to ask about the 645 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: league overall, and sometimes we get in our own little 646 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: bubble and don't think outside of the Arizona Cardinals or 647 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: the NFC West. But interesting to hear his thoughts on 648 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: the dynamic kickoff, what's going on at different camps, and 649 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: certainly the quarterback, which is always going to be a 650 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: hot topic regardless of what team it's. 651 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 4: It's fascinating because when you get to talk to a 652 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 4: guy like Tom, who knows everything about the league, you 653 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 4: sometimes question, like how much of this is just show 654 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 4: notes that you get ahead of time versus but this. 655 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 2: Was just right off the cuff. How are you feeling 656 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 2: about it? Bam? 657 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 4: Let me tell you about all thirty two teams. I mean, 658 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 4: it's quite awesome. And to get that sort of insight 659 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 4: from the Insider, just that whole crew, all their knowledge 660 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 4: put into one it's it's really awesome. And for them 661 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,959 Speaker 4: to also recognize and acknowledge the sort of improvement from 662 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 4: the Arizona Cardinals in all different facets. Tom talking about 663 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 4: his connection with Jag knowing about him from Minnesota and 664 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 4: just how he has grown as a coach now becoming 665 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 4: the head guy for the Arizona Cardinals. But to hear 666 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 4: from the insire's perspective is quite neat. They get to 667 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 4: hear from our perspective. We're the Cards insiders, but the 668 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 4: league the league insiders. 669 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: That's pretty cool too, and it does say a lot 670 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: that it was one of the NFL insiders that was 671 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: at Cards camp. Give Tom a follow at Tom Placero 672 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: and again The Insiders not only the TV show during 673 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: the week, but if you miss it during the week, 674 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: it's a podcast as well. Certainly I subscribe to it 675 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: because if you're not in front of the television or 676 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,479 Speaker 1: you don't get the chance to see it, you can 677 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,239 Speaker 1: at least listen to it on your own. As far 678 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: as some news and notes surrounding the league. 679 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 4: And They're also posting a lot of great stuff on 680 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 4: each of their personal social media accounts on the NFL 681 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 4: social media accounts all across. As long as you search 682 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 4: it up, you're gonna find great content. And hopefully when 683 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 4: you do search it up come November December, it's going 684 00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 4: to be talking about the Cardinals and a playoff race. 685 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: As mentioned, the Cardinals do not practice or do not 686 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: have availability on this Monday, So the next time we'll 687 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: hear from head coach Jonathan again and his thoughts on 688 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: what he saw from the Red and white practice will 689 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: come Tuesday, and again Tuesday and open practice Wednesday and 690 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: open practice and then that's it. Cards camp closes for 691 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: the public. They'll have a closed practice on Thursday. I'll 692 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: walkthrough on Friday, and then the first preseason game is Saturday, 693 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: August tenth against the New Orleans Saints. So Bert Gang. 694 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: If you want to watch the Cardinals before the preseason begins, 695 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: just go to Azycardinals dot com forward slash camptis that 696 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: is Asycardinals dot com forward slash camptics for information and 697 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: of course digital ticketing is required to get inside State 698 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: Farm Stadium. And on that note, we'll put a lid on. 699 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: This edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai, proud 700 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to 701 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: our executive producer Jim on one Hundre, our associate producer 702 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: Coddy Fincher. For Zach Gershman, I'm Greg Rayelu. We'll talk 703 00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two