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Speaker 1: about Luke Weaver, Devin Williams, whether or not they'll be back,

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Speaker 1: and some major targets for the Yankees. Plus should Don

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Speaker 1: looking for his next job. I got a good idea

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Speaker 1: where he could find one. Got Frankie Baseball on the show.

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Speaker 1: Coming up next missus Pinstrip Territory's whim to cook at four.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back everybody, and welcome back to mister

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Speaker 1: Frankie Delano Baseball. How you doing, my friend.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great, Derek. I'm happy to be here. Although

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Speaker 2: I will say I wish we still had more baseball.

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Speaker 2: I know that you know it's opposed to the end,

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Speaker 2: but after that World Series and after that Game seven,

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Speaker 2: I just wanted more of it. It was such an unblo

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Speaker 2: We didn't talk about it here at the end of

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Speaker 2: the series yet, but I thought it was just an

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Speaker 2: absolutely thrilling Game seven and just a great advertisement for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hope we have baseball in twenty twenty seven,

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Speaker 1: as you said to me privately. But all right, so

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Speaker 1: we got some news. We're gonna talk through Louisaga's career

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Speaker 1: coming to a and with the Yankees. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about Luke Weaver, whether or not he should come back.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Devin Williams, whether or not he

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Speaker 1: should come back. We're gonna take a look at the

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Speaker 1: metrics for Edwin Diaz, for Pete Fairbanks, for Riise El

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Speaker 1: and Gleasis, for Ryan Helsley, and for Robert Suarez, several

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Speaker 1: names that the Yankees have been linked to this winner,

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Speaker 1: and we'll just kind of talk it through and see

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Speaker 1: who makes sense for the Yankees. They've also got a prospect,

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Speaker 1: Brian Bashman keeps bringing him up. We're not gonna talk

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Speaker 1: talk about him during an upcoming episode about prospects. Harrison

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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and get to Let's start with Jonathan

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Speaker 1: LOUISAA salute, twenty one gun salute, Pass one around and

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Speaker 1: pour it out for Johnny Lasagna, who was cooked. The

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Speaker 1: Yankees declined his option. It was only five million bucks.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing. He's he can't stay healthy. He's

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Speaker 1: a likable guy. The radar looks good, you know, approaching

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Speaker 1: triple digits. But Frankie, he just can't stay healthy.

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Speaker 2: That's really you know, what do they say, the the

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Speaker 2: over the last few years. It's an outher shame because

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Speaker 2: he was great to watch for the Yankees for a

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Speaker 3: Just killed him.

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Speaker 2: Although you know, he's just one of those guys that

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Speaker 2: He's gonna go on I canna All Star season next year.

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Speaker 2: It just seems like he's one of those people. I

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Speaker 1: I want to go to the other direction. I hope

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Speaker 1: You thirty one years old, sixty seven games this year,

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Speaker 1: Me indefinitely for to his own amusement? Oh yeah, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: We've got Luke Weaver becoming a free agent this winter. Frankie,

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Speaker 1: where do you stand on Weaver? He had sixty four

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Speaker 2: still fixable. I was actually at his first game back

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Speaker 2: I hope that he can return back to twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm kind of undecided. What I want to do

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Speaker 3: You know, Edwin Diaz. I was thinking about.

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Speaker 2: This is kind of was kind of the Devin Williams

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Speaker 2: After that, he regrouped and he'd become an unbelievable closer

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Speaker 2: The problem is, I feel like, again, I think it's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would retire as a fan if he

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Speaker 3: Do not miss you, buddy, And I don't know why.

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Speaker 2: It is that you were so good in Boston, but

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Speaker 3: You blow a couple posseason saves, so we don't miss you.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye, Audios, audios, al Vider saying farewell. Let's talk about

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Speaker 1: Pete Fairbanks. He's got eleven million dollar option with TV

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Speaker 3: I think they find this option.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, So he is now a free agent. So

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Speaker 1: thirty one years old, sixty one game, sixteen to thirty innings,

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Speaker 1: He's basically Luke Weaver, but with more talent. I think

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on Fairbanks?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's a great audition for the Yankees

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Speaker 2: don't feel like there's not a lot of I love Yankees,

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Speaker 2: but there's not a.

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Speaker 2: That's why Schlitler is so interesting right now, like going

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's gonna have to back it up, but

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Speaker 3: We hear about it.

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Speaker 2: The Yankees try so hard to keep their guys vanilla,

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Speaker 3: I think Yankee fans would love him right away. So

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Speaker 3: I would love to see him come over here to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's on He's on my off season wish list

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Speaker 1: for sure. Let's talk about rise Iglsias. Iglesias, Sorry I

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Speaker 1: put an and in there when there's not one. He

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Speaker 1: is a experienced guy. He's thirty five years old, seventy

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Speaker 1: games this year. I worry about guys in their mid thirties,

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Speaker 1: you know, pitching over seventy games. You know, that's a

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Speaker 1: lot of games. But seventy three strikeouts in a whip

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Speaker 1: He's literally on the charts, but the charts are very

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Speaker 1: good for him. He is you know, you have boys,

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Speaker 1: hard hit balls. He doesn't walk a lot of guys.

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Speaker 1: He's a four pitch pitcher, fastball, change up, sinker, slider. Frankie,

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Speaker 1: how do you feel about Rice elle Iglesias as a

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Speaker 2: Very good stats there, as you mentioned, one point three

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Speaker 2: And if you can get him for cheap, maybe, but

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be the one. I want to rest out Again,

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Speaker 2: he's a good pitcher, but I don't want to be

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Speaker 1: Circleing the drain. There another guy who kind of dropped

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Speaker 1: You know, he got traded to the Mets, and he

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Speaker 2: As you said, he's already proven that he can't really

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Speaker 1: And I wouldn't roll out a potential trade. The Yankees

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Speaker 1: But they've also tried that with a few guys recently

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Speaker 1: recycled them, but delicious.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 1: Yankees offered grish twenty two million, the qualifying offer thirty

436
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Speaker 1: four home runs, his metrics improved this year, solid defender.

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Speaker 1: Do you think he'll take it? Do you think he'll

438
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Speaker 1: try and go somewhere else and get just as much?

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Speaker 1: Let me ask it. Let me ask that a different way.

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Speaker 1: You're Trent Grisham. Okay, you have sucked your entire career

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Speaker 1: except on defense, and then this year you go off

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Speaker 1: and hit thirty four home runs. Okay, and you got

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Speaker 1: a great mustache, and you're the center fielder for the

444
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Speaker 1: New York Yankees. If you can do it again, you

445
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Speaker 1: could probably get more money. Do you gamble on yourself

446
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Speaker 1: and take the one year knowing that last year you

447
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Speaker 1: made five million, now you can make more than four

448
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Speaker 1: times as much.

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Speaker 2: So do you do the one Soto Aaron Judge, bet

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Speaker 2: on yourself and go for it again?

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Speaker 3: You know what?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's time for me to say that. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: if I'm someone with maybe Trunk Grisham's mindset and someone

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Speaker 2: who is a professional athlete to always think they can

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Speaker 2: do better, sure why not?

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Speaker 3: I would take it.

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Speaker 2: But he's probably gonna want to maybe look around and

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Speaker 2: see is anyone out there gonna be willing to offer him,

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Speaker 2: you know, a couple more years and a couple what

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Speaker 2: do you think it's like the most he can get?

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Speaker 2: What is like the maximum the craziest that someone can

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Speaker 2: get for him?

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Speaker 1: I could see somebody going four years, fifty two million, right,

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Speaker 1: seventeen million, like, you know, it's less than the twenty

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Speaker 1: he would get this year, but more in total package.

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Speaker 1: You know, that would be basically I think that's about

467
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Speaker 1: what Johnny Damon made when he signed with the Yankee

468
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Speaker 1: something similar to that. I don't think he's in the

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Speaker 1: twenty million dollar a year category yet because he's only

470
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Speaker 1: really had that one good year. But I could see

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Speaker 1: somebody giving him fifty spread out over four. That's what

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Speaker 1: I would think. I'm gonna say, who oh, that's a

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Speaker 1: good question. Maybe. I mean, how would he how would

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Speaker 1: he do in San Francisco? You know, you know, it's

475
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Speaker 1: a big it's a big right field, you know, so

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Speaker 1: his power numbers wouldn't play, but he would probably get

477
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Speaker 1: more doubles, more triples, you know, and he can cover

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Speaker 1: a lot of ground, you know. I could see him

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Speaker 1: going someplace like uh, Texas maybe you know, they're they're

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Speaker 1: gonna lose a Doulas Garcia, you know, and and he

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Speaker 1: could put up some power numbers. They got money to pay, right,

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Speaker 1: What do you where do you think?

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Speaker 2: What if Pittsburgh just decides, fricket, We're gonna spend all

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Speaker 2: of our money on trud grishaon fifty million dollars.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't see that happening, Frankie. One more

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Speaker 1: topic we got to cover. Don maddingly stepped down from

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Speaker 1: his role with the Blue Jays today, and I gotta

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Speaker 1: say the main reason that I was rooting against the

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Speaker 1: Blue Jays was that they celebrated like Jerks. But the

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Speaker 1: secondary reason was, though I want don Maddingly, my hero,

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Speaker 1: my favorite baseball player ever, to win a ring, I

492
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Speaker 1: wanted to be with the Yankees. And I realized that

493
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Speaker 1: there is no vertical move with the Yankees because you know,

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Speaker 1: you can't go from bench coach to you know, he's

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Speaker 1: not gonna go from being the bench coach of the

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Speaker 1: Jays to being anything higher than that with the Yankees,

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Speaker 1: because he's not going to replace Aaron Boone, right, and

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Speaker 1: there are manager jobs available. The question is he willing

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Speaker 1: to come in and be a bench coach? Is he

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Speaker 1: willing to be a hitting coach? You already have Rouson?

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Speaker 1: Could he help Ben Rice learn how to play first

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Speaker 1: base like he did with Vladimir Carrero? Does it make

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Speaker 1: sense for him to just be back in the organization,

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Speaker 1: maybe as an understudy of some kind, maybe a special advisor.

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Speaker 1: He know, the Yankees can pay him just as much

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Speaker 1: as he was making with Toronto, right to be a

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Speaker 1: bench coach, to be like someone who doesn't work quite

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Speaker 1: as much. Right, he's got older kids, like he can

509
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Speaker 1: watch play ball or whatever. But you know, what are

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Speaker 1: you what are your thoughts on on Donnie Baseball? Coming back.

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Speaker 2: First of all, he was the main reason why I

512
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Speaker 2: was rooting for the Blue Jays and some Yankee fam

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Speaker 2: I got mad at me for that, but he was

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Speaker 2: the main reason I wanted him to get a ring,

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Speaker 2: and I felt so heartbroken for him to just fall

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Speaker 2: that short.

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Speaker 3: I think he should. I think it makes all the

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Speaker 3: sense in.

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Speaker 2: The world for the Yankees to bring him back for

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Speaker 2: you know, not only his expertise in terms of baseball,

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Speaker 2: but also.

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Speaker 3: How many We've talked about this before, how many Yankee

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Speaker 3: legends have a good relationship with the organization.

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Speaker 2: Not many. Jeter and Arod are on TV ripping Hatchman

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Speaker 2: to shreds. You know, Reggie Jackson's over there. It was

526
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Speaker 2: in Oakland or Houston or something like that. Like, they

527
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Speaker 2: don't have a lot of those legendary guys in there

528
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Speaker 2: on their team in some capacity. So I think it

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Speaker 2: makes all the sense for a pr standpoint, from just

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Speaker 2: a good will standpoint, just to bring Donnie back.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it.

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Speaker 2: Will happen, though, because, as we said, for whatever reason,

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Speaker 2: Cashman is just hell bent on not bringing any of

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Speaker 2: these legends back in any way and alienating them. So

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Speaker 2: I don't think it'll happen, but I would I think

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Speaker 2: it would be great. Like what's the worst that can happen? Like,

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Speaker 2: I know that mattically he doesn't have the best reputation

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Speaker 2: as a manager, and I that's I'm not asking is

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Speaker 2: I'm not asking for him to take over as manager,

540
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Speaker 2: but just having him to be part of the team.

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Speaker 2: I don't see what the what the problem is this year.

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Speaker 2: I think I think at a win win for everyone.

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Speaker 1: His leadership skills alone in presence in the clubhouse I

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Speaker 1: think makes a real difference, especially with some of the

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Speaker 1: younger guys. We did get one voicemail today and reminder

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Speaker 1: to call in seven one, eight, eight, nine, nine, ten

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Speaker 1: sixty eight. I'm going to try and do more shows

548
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Speaker 1: here over the next several weeks as we ramp up

549
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Speaker 1: the hot stove chase. We're gonna talk prosper becks next time.

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Speaker 1: But we got to call here about the World Series.

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Speaker 4: Hey, dere Jason from Allentown. I know you didn't play

552
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Speaker 4: my last voicemail after the Dodgers won the World Series.

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Speaker 4: That's all right, I you know, I get all these

554
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Speaker 4: baseball content videos all over my YouTube channel, and everybody's saying, oh,

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Speaker 4: this is the greatest World Series. That Game seven was

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Speaker 4: the craziest Game seven of all time. It's like, how

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Speaker 4: quickly do we forget like twenty sixteen? Like really, like,

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Speaker 4: I don't know twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: So he goes on for a little bit while longer

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Speaker 1: about twenty sixteen. But yes, I was actually in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: I think the Cubs won it in Cleveland. But I

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Speaker 1: was in Chicago when that happened, and there were fireworks

563
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Speaker 1: going off outside my hotel and I was way I

564
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Speaker 1: was like one of those work meetings. So we had

565
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Speaker 1: really good hotel rooms in this nice hotel, and I

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Speaker 1: was looking out over the study and you could see

567
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Speaker 1: the fireworks going off. It was like the end of

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Speaker 1: Fight Club. It was cool.

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Speaker 2: That is so cool, man. Yeah, back when he mentioned, like,

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Speaker 2: what are the other great World Series games? That was

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Speaker 2: the first one. That game, in my mind, I think

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Speaker 2: it's in my lifetime. I think those are the two

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen Game seven where Cleveland comes back and then

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Speaker 2: the Cubs went in the extra innings, and then I

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Speaker 2: would put this one right there. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: it's better than that. I think the Cubs one hundred

577
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Speaker 2: and eight years puts it over the top. But this

578
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: game had everything, you know, with the home runs, the dramatics,

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Speaker 2: the great plays, the benches cleared.

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Speaker 3: That's what we had.

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Speaker 1: Forgotten about seven. Yeah, I mean I have looked. I

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Speaker 1: was loving this game. So I was watching it with

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Speaker 1: my buddy Rob, who was just getting into baseball a

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Speaker 1: little bit. He was not into baseball at all until

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Speaker 1: he stayed with me for a few months last summer,

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Speaker 1: and I kind of taught him about the game a

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Speaker 1: little bit. I mean, if you're living with me, you're

588
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Speaker 1: gonna get some baseball by osmosis, right, is just because

589
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Speaker 1: I immersed myself in baseball. And what we did we

590
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Speaker 1: set up the TV by the fire and we just

591
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Speaker 1: watched the game and uh, you know, the outside fire.

592
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Speaker 1: We had the little TV on a cart. And that

593
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Speaker 1: was generally like one of the more fun sporting events

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Speaker 1: of my entire life because it's just kept going on

595
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Speaker 1: and on and on, and I mean you had all

596
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Speaker 1: these dramatic at bats and and just the way it

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00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: ended on that double play just just so so fun.

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Speaker 1: Yamamoto coming in, He's earned my respect for life.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 1: I wish the Yankees had gotten him.

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Speaker 2: Legend, just an absolutely incredibleformance and the the both of

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Speaker 2: those two games that we mentioned have a very similar

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Speaker 2: moment to me in that the Roggie Davis home run

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Speaker 2: and the McGall ROAs home run, in which I felt

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Speaker 2: like I felt like my weird moment where like I

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00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 2: left my body for a second, like it was one

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Speaker 2: of those like just crazy, out of control, like you

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Speaker 2: don't know where you are moments, like you're just like

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Speaker 2: I remember both times screaming, oh my gosh, Game seven

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Speaker 2: of the World Series is tied. And but and both

611
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Speaker 2: were unlikely. I don't know if anyone's expecting rod J.

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Speaker 2: Davis to do it, and no one was expecting Migul Rojas.

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Speaker 2: Like with the group that I was with, we were

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Speaker 2: talking during that bat about do you walk Otani here?

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Speaker 2: Because it was already a four got conclusion that ro

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Speaker 2: has to be were gonna get out or single or

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00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 2: no one was expecting that home run. But what I

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Speaker 2: can't say enough about that game. It was It was

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Speaker 2: worthy of all the ratings that all the claimate got.

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Speaker 2: Just absolutely beautiful. I just wish the Yankees were to

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Speaker 2: have won it, but that's the only to pick.

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Speaker 1: I have my final thought on the World Series that

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Speaker 1: the catch the guy made on the Ross home run.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw the replay, the dude

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00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: was it was an awesome catch. He reaches over into

626
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Speaker 1: the pen, he catches it, and he's like, yeah, ah shit,

627
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: like it was the best he realized. He's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I caught a ball.

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Speaker 3: Oh my team just.

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Speaker 1: Might have blown the World Series. Uh, it was.

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Speaker 3: So celebrated there.

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Speaker 2: He may have gotten knocked out, like man just punched

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Speaker 2: him in the face.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, that was a smart I noticed that too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, Frankie. Uh, we'll see again throughout

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Speaker 1: the winter. Obviously, everybody round of applause here for mister

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Speaker 1: Frankie Baseball, Franklin Teleno Baseball, the third and he'll be

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00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: back throughout the season. And we're gonna do I'm gonna

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00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: announce this right now because we've been waiting to announce this.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have a weekly Frankie podcast next year, kicking

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00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: off beginning of every week of Yankees Baseball, and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna preview the week ahead and then we'll have the

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Speaker 1: wrap up with Terrence at the end of the week.

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00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: So that's kind of be kind of the bookends. My

645
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: two favorite partners here, and obviously hopefully the Yankees will

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Speaker 1: do something this winter to make it worth watching. But

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Speaker 1: we'll see all right, ladies and gentlemen, We'll see you

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