1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Chelsea Handler. Welcome to Life Will Be the 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Death of Me, a production of I Heart Radio. Okay, 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: Hi everybody, Hello Brandon, Hello again. You weren't at home 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: this morning, actually, Brandon, So you're gonna get yourself ready? Yes, 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: I did, and here I am, and I already left 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: Bernice in the car once. So we're going to do 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: a different podcast this week. This is not going to 8 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: be thematically linked with Life Will Be the Death of Me. 9 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: This is about the border and our crisis at the 10 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: border and what's happening to innocent children at the border. 11 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: And I know that I feel so frustrated about not 12 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: doing more, and it feel like I need to be 13 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: more educated about how I can help and how everybody 14 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: can help, and what you can do just to make 15 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: people's lives more humane down there. Since we're not legally 16 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: allowed to donate, right, is that correct? We're not allowed 17 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: to donate, we're not well, it is correct, we're not 18 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: allowed to make monetary donations. We can't we can't send anything. 19 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: So that doesn't seem normal or right. So there are 20 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: ways to go around that, and there are ways to 21 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: help these people. So today we have two uh special 22 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: guests that are here and that have done a lot 23 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: of work on the ground and are very familiar with 24 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: what's going going on at the border, and they work 25 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: with two different organizations. Let's start with you, Shannon, Thank you. 26 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: My name is Shannon Camacho, and I work with the 27 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: Coalition for Human Immigrant Rights, which is a nonprofit organization 28 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles that helps community members, specifically immigrant 29 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: community members, access legal services. We also do advocacy UM 30 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: to influence legislation at the local, state, and federal level. 31 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: And then we do organizing and I think that's really 32 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: the cornerstone of our organization is that we organize the 33 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: community UM to fight for the rights and to make 34 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 1: sure that conditions are better for immigrants in Los Angeles. 35 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: It's called CHURLA your organization for short, right the acronym, 36 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: and are people allowed to donate financially to that absolutely. 37 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: I think it's when people think about the ways to 38 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: help UM. One of the biggest things that folks need, 39 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: for example, people that are in detention are immigration attorneys, 40 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: and so it's very important that we do the fundraising 41 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: and we get donations in order to get more immigration 42 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: attorneys to go out to the detention centers and meet 43 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: with clients. Immigrants are not guaranteed. They're not given an 44 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: immigration attorney by the federal government, unlike the criminal justice 45 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: system for for citizens, and so it's very important that 46 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: we do raise money to have those kinds of services 47 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: available for the community and also to know that you 48 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: can actually help legally aid somebody. I'll reference an article 49 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: that I read this morning that a friend set me 50 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: about actually being able to post bail for an immigrant 51 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: so that they can start the legal process, and you know, 52 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: to make a difference in one person's life, I think 53 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: is what a lot of people are interested in doing. 54 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: If you can't help everybody, just help one person, so 55 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: a lot of us can do that. Let's talk to you. 56 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: Archna Sagala, Archna Sagal, where do you work and what 57 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: do you do? So my name is Archna and I 58 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: work at the National Immigration Law Center. We are one 59 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: of the main organizations working to defend and advance the 60 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: rights of low income immigrants in the United States. In 61 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: terms of what we do, we you do everything from 62 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: suing Donald Trump. We have a huge legal advocacy strategy, 63 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: UM we have we do communications work, we also do advocacy. 64 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: We do loving on the on Capitol Hill, UM, as 65 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: well as some of the work that we're doing right 66 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: now to influence what all of the candidates, UM, the 67 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: presidential candidates are saying about the election and immigration And 68 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: is this a public organization or is it a private organization? Um, 69 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: they're the National Immigration Law Center is a nonprofit organization. 70 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: So okay, And so how do you guys operate that? 71 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: I mean, how do you zoom in on who needs 72 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: your attention the most and what the most pressing cases 73 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: are or is it doesn't even work that way? That's right. 74 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: So we get donations from the incredible public that support 75 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: our body of work, and then we have strategies to 76 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: ensure what's going to be the most effective way to 77 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: ensure that we're fighting for the soul of this country, 78 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: to ensure that we all have the opportunity to thrive 79 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: and to be here and seek opportunity. Yeah. I think 80 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: that the hardest thing to see. I mean, it's all 81 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: very hard to see. And comparing it to concentration camps 82 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: that people are saying, it's not a concentration Kive, you 83 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: can't say that. I don't see why you can't say that. Um, 84 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: what we're doing is traumatizing little children, were traumatizing them 85 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: and that things, and we're turning people into animals. So, 86 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,799 Speaker 1: you know, I know that there's a pressing need for 87 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: people to want to act, but it feels so hopeless 88 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: in a sense, and I know that it's not It 89 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: has to not be hopeless, because there's always something you 90 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: can do that's right. We think that the detention camps 91 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: are absolutely horrible places and they're entirely unnecessary. So we 92 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: at the National Immigration Law Center have an ongoing lawsuit 93 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: to force the government to provide the basics um to 94 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: mostly women and children in these ice centers. But frankly, 95 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: the conversation shouldn't be about toothbrushes. It should be about 96 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: pursuing policies and programs that help immigrants navigate the immigration 97 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: system without putting them in these camps, with putting them 98 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: in jail. And it seems like it may be horrible, 99 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: but there's everyday things that every single person can be 100 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: doing right, and we're gonna get to all of that. 101 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you guys a list of places that 102 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: you can get involved in, places you can volunteer, because 103 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: what are the three T s time, talent, and treasure. Right, 104 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: So I have a lot of treasure. I'm willing to 105 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: share that. Some people just have time and some people 106 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: just have talent, and whatever you have to contribute is worthwhile. 107 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: So nothing is insurmountable, I would say, I would say 108 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: that we can always do something a little bit more 109 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: than we're doing. Um, So, tell us about the situation 110 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: of the camps. Why is it so exaggerated? Now? Why 111 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: does Donald Trump keep playing Obama for these camps when 112 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: Obama did never had a baby in a cage. That 113 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: just never happened under any leader in the history, well 114 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: actually not in this country, but okay, for what we're 115 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: talking about, right, So, I think there's a very big 116 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: difference between the Obama administration and the Trump administration. Although 117 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: we do know that during the Obama administration there were 118 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: many deportations of individuals, especially Central American immigrants. That the 119 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: one of the biggest differences during this administration is the 120 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: fact that Trump is not respecting the international right to 121 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: apply for asylum, and that has been an attack since 122 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: the very beginning into thousand and sixteen, not allowing these 123 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: Central American migrants to come request asylum, which is a 124 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: universal right and so many other countries respect that, and 125 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: then instead really making it difficult and putting more and 126 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: more barriers for them to to achieve that asylum, and 127 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: so folks are then sent to detention centers and families 128 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: are held together and for longer periods of time, instead 129 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: of looking into alternatives to detention, and instead of investing 130 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: money in programs to integrate these new arriving and right 131 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: right for these children, he doesn't want them to learn exactly, 132 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: and and that is super intentional. This is this is 133 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: part of a strategy to really deter migration. And that's 134 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: something that we keep at Chaerila. We keep telling the 135 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: community is this is not an accident. This is not 136 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: something that he's trying to achieve just for himself. He's 137 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: really trying to show the rest of the folks that 138 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: are trying to come here, we don't want you, We 139 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: don't want you in this country. And that's something very 140 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: very heartbreaking, um, because so many of these people are 141 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: coming with families literally just looking for a better life, 142 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: literally coming here to escape violence and persecution, and to 143 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: know that this government does not respect that and is 144 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: not trying to help them is just something very unbelievable 145 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: or for people to prematurely be calling these people criminals 146 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: before these people are fighting for their lives. They don't 147 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: deserve to be here because they became here illegally. If 148 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: you came here illegally on that journey, you had no 149 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: other choice. No one one wants to put their children's 150 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: lives at risk, no one. I'm not a mother, and 151 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: I know that I don't want to put any child's 152 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: life at risk. So we've had seven children die, right yeah. 153 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: And and it's the very very difficult thing about that 154 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: is that we know that there have been people that 155 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: are unnamed, unidentified that had died while crossing the border 156 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: in the past recent months, in the years, and and 157 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: folks are dying in the detention centers as well, and 158 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: we don't know, We really just don't know the extent 159 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: to how people are suffering in all these different places 160 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: because there's no transparency from the Department of Home in Security, 161 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: which is the agency that oversees these attention centers. There 162 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: is no effort to highlight the conditions on their part, 163 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: there's no effort to improve the conditions on their part, 164 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: and so there are just people all over the country 165 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: at the southern border, but also all over the country 166 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: that are experiencing absolutely in humane conditions, and that is 167 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: something that we're really trying to highlight through our work. 168 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: Do you guys know what a regular day in the 169 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: life of somebody in one of the insane clint the 170 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: one on the Texan border, right, It's just hell's hell 171 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: on earth. And what's so painful is that everything that 172 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: we're seeing, the images that are that are we're seeing 173 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: daily on the television about the border quote unquote crisis 174 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: was created by Trump. We know that there is zero 175 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 1: migration net migration from Mexico, so building something like a wall, 176 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: which is incredibly expensive and ineffective, but it also fits 177 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: Trump's narrative, which creates fear and disdain for immigrants, and 178 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: we know that as part of his political theater um, 179 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: Trump has moved a mix of cruelty and inefficiency to 180 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: create a bottleneck of moms and dads and kids coming 181 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: from some America. We are seeking safety in our country, 182 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: and they're seeking asylum, which we know is their legal 183 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: right under both of US law and international law. But 184 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: the reality is the fastest growing and documented migration comes 185 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 1: from people who overstay their visas UM and we unless 186 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: we look at root causes, which we know is violence 187 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: against women and girls in Central America visa backlogs even 188 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: in our own system, we won't solve the problem. So 189 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: we know that the wall is bad policy. We know 190 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: that these detention centers, these camps are bad policy, and 191 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: he's using these ideas to divide and distract us with 192 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: a super racist narrative that riled up his base. And 193 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: just to clarify, how long have these clamps existed in 194 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: the United States? So since the Department of Homeland Security 195 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: was created in two thousand and three, and I'm not 196 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: sure what the I n S, the Immigration Naturalization Services 197 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: did before that, but ever since two thousand and three, 198 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: the Department of Homeland Security has operated um these kinds 199 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: of detention centers, either at the southern border or in 200 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: the interior of the United States. So I think it's 201 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: important to remind people in the United States that when 202 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: folks are arrested by eyes in inside the country, for 203 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: example in Los Angeles, they are sent to a detention center, 204 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: and the closest detention center here is at a length 205 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: on So these detention centers all operate very similarly. In 206 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: the way that they have horrible conditions, that there's just 207 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: no respect for the folks that are inside, and that 208 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: they're there. The conditions are so horrible that there have 209 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: been numerous reports written about them, and so it's it's 210 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: really important that we talk about those two. Okay, we're 211 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back. 212 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: And I've heard and read that these children have um 213 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: family members and to go to, but are still being 214 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: detained just out of cruelty and and red tape. But 215 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: there was no plan in place to reunite any of 216 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: these kids with their families initially, right that infrastructure that 217 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: was not was non existent. So essentially what this government 218 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: did is they separated families with absolutely no plan to 219 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: reunite them, which is not what Obama did. Right, It's 220 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: just unbel It's such a new level of cruelty and 221 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: and we're now just finding out about that, and it's 222 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: it's just absolutely it's going to take so much work 223 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: to heal the trauma with all the people that have 224 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: experienced that separation and create policies that make it so 225 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: that that never happens again. But it's just unbelievable that 226 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: this was never the plan. It was never the plan 227 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: to reunite these families. This was just something again to 228 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: show the rest of the world that the United States 229 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: is not willing to accept asylum seekers and refugees well 230 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: brown ones. Yes, exactly, And that's a very important point. 231 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: Like our kind of was saying, it's very important to 232 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: highlight the racism of this. This Trump is not having 233 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: this kind of attitude towards European people coming here and 234 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: overseeing their visas. He doesn't highlight those folks. He's highlighting 235 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: specifically Central American immigrants that are coming. And one of 236 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: the reasons why they're coming to the United States is 237 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: because the conditions in their countries are so horrible and 238 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: a lot of that is due to US intervention. So 239 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: a lot of these problems are very connected, and it 240 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: it does not make sense to shun refugees and asylum seekers. Instead, 241 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: it makes sense to integrate folks that are literally running 242 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: for their lives, trying to make a better place for 243 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: themselves in this country. Migration is not going to stop. 244 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: It's not going to get less. They are going to 245 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: be more and more and more people coming to the 246 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: United States, especially given that we have climate change in 247 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: global crisis, We're going to have more people migrating to 248 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: the United States for the conditions, and so we really 249 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: have to as a country, except that our current policies 250 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: are not sufficient enough. We need to change it so 251 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: that we can integrate folks and give them services instead 252 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: of shunning them, to build a fuller society, you know, 253 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: to build a fair and equal society so people feel 254 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: like they can get here the same way all of 255 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: our ancestors got here. So, yes, what I was saying 256 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: before the Trump administration announced last month that they would 257 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: no longer provide legal aid, English classes and recreational programs 258 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: for unaccompanied miners in government custody. So that's one thing. 259 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: And then I wanted to talk a little bit about 260 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: what this Julie Sharon did. Do you know her? Yes, 261 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: I do, so then you know what she did. She 262 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: was looking for ways to contribute, and she had um 263 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: bank account that her grandparents, who were spent years in 264 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: Nazi camps, had left for her, and she decided that 265 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: she wanted to use that money to bail out an 266 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,719 Speaker 1: asylum seeker. So she called a friend who ran a 267 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: volunteer organization called Immigrant Families Together, which are dedicated to 268 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: providing food, clothing, airline tickets and other necessities to migrants 269 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: as they come out of detention. And then she said, 270 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: I need to know I got one person out, and 271 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: she did get one person out, and then a lot 272 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: of people followed suit and did what she did. The 273 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 1: airline tickets, people can donate their miles. That's right, So 274 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: how did somebody go about doing that right? Immigrant Families 275 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: together as a great organization. We've partnered with them UM 276 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: a couple of times, and I think one way is 277 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: to go on the website to see the different ways 278 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: that you can donate UM. It's very There's also another 279 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: UM organization called Miles for Migrants, and that's another place 280 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 1: where folks can donate UM their their miles airline miles 281 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: so that people can have plane tickets to their final 282 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: destination in the United States. Additionally, also UM one way 283 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: to really help, and I think Immigrant Families also does 284 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: this is through bond money, collecting enough bond money UM 285 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: so that folks can be bailed out of detention centers. 286 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: And at Cherila we also have a bond fund UM. 287 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: If you go on Cherola dot org you can donate 288 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: to that bond fund, and that directly goes to folks 289 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: that are in detention to try to we try to 290 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: get them bonded out so that their family doesn't have 291 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: to worry about providing that additional money, because it's it's 292 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: one thing to be separated from your family member, but 293 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: it's a whole another thing to lose thousands of dollars 294 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: because they're in detention, and so that just puts an 295 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: enormous long term strain on the family and that's something 296 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: that we really don't want folks to have to deal with, 297 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: So we we really try to raise a lot of 298 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: money for that bond fund for our immigration attorneys. Yes, 299 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: and there are some also local organizations. Um there's Las 300 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: Americas and El Paso and they provide legal services to migrants. 301 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: A lot of these local organizations really need the support. 302 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: So if you're somebody who can donate like a hundred 303 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: dollars or you know, a hundred and fifty dollars anything 304 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: at all, then then it's good to support these local 305 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: agencies because they are on the ground and they know 306 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: what needs immediate attention. And then in Mexico there's one 307 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: called Alterro Lado, which provides legal services in Tijuana, UH 308 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: And they're both small organizations doing incredible work. So this 309 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: is another place you can give. One of the things 310 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: that's so incredible about Julie Sharon's story is that she's 311 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: an everyday person, and everyday people can be heroes. UM. 312 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: That includes giving your time, it includes giving your money, 313 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: it includes um spending a little bit of time, UM 314 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: calling your elected official and demanding that they closed the 315 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: camps up. And I just think that there's a whole 316 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: bunch of things that can be happening. And despite the 317 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: pain and the cruelty, the chaos and the trauma that 318 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: the Trump administration is creating, there's all these bright spots 319 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: that are happening. I mean, look at you, You're having 320 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: us on your having us to have a conversation about immigration. 321 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: And so I just think that there's there's little things 322 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: that you can be doing by donating five dollars. There's 323 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: medium things that you can be doing by going to 324 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: Protect Immigrant Families dot org. And then there's bigger things 325 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: that you can doing, which is to bail out women 326 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: MS kids at a detention centers. Is there a way 327 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: to sponsor an adult? Yes, I think there are a 328 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: couple of different ways, and I would defer maybe if 329 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: you're an attorney to go into more detail. But um, 330 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: we do have folks, for example, through our ELI rd's 331 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: Rapid Response Network that volunteer to sponsor individuals once they're 332 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: released from detention. So that means like giving them a 333 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: place to stay. Um, how does that? So? I think 334 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: it's it's a pretty complicated process, I believe, and they're 335 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: will not complicated, but there does need to be paperwork 336 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: done and you do need to work with the attorney 337 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: for example, that's something that is representing the asylum seeker 338 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: in order to make everything a smooth transition. Um. But 339 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: I recommend if folks are interested in becoming sponsors, definitely 340 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:44,239 Speaker 1: reaching out to organizations like Cheerlau, CHEERLA, other legal organizations 341 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: that provide support to immigrants and detention. Those attorneys will 342 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: be able to guide you into the process to become 343 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: a sponsor. They will give you every single step. Um. 344 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: And that is a really big need because after someone 345 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: is released from detention, it doesn't it doesn't just end there. 346 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: They need a place to stay, they need support with food, 347 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: with transportation, and so becoming a sponsor is a great 348 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: way to support individuals and I know people personally who 349 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: have done it and it's just such a beautiful thing 350 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: to see. And does milk help with that too? Is 351 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: that something? So the National Immigration Law Center, one of 352 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: the things that we do is UM do. We do 353 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: lots of know your Rights trainings UM, and we make 354 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: sure that everyone UM has an understanding of what their 355 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: rights are. So there are in the words of Mr Rodgers, 356 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: look for the helpers. There are so many opportunities to 357 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: help UM. And so perhaps what might be helpful is 358 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: if we put together a list for you that you 359 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: might be able to share. We're going to link to 360 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: all the organizations that we've discussed on the show UM 361 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: in the podcast or on the podcast and on all platforms. 362 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: So don't worry. I know most of you are driving well. 363 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: I would like to go back and kind of here. 364 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: So once either someone has been detained at the border 365 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: or arrested and sent to a detention center, they're placed 366 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: in the facility for X amount of time. This is 367 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: what I think a lot of people have a hard 368 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: time understanding. Is they're there, how long are they there for? 369 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: What is the process too? So they're applying for asylum 370 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: once they're in the center, and then they have to 371 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: receive bond or pay bond to be released. Correct, Am 372 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: I on the right path? So and and our purposes, 373 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,959 Speaker 1: but I'm not I'm not an immigration attorney, so so 374 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: you so you can help me out then, um. But 375 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: in terms of just very generally, and and we we 376 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: have a lot of immigration attorneys that we work with 377 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 1: and folks that have actually gone down to Tijuana and 378 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: have sort of like observed the situation. But I think 379 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: what's important to understand is that CBP, which is the 380 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: Customs and Border Patrol, they're actually holding people for longer 381 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: than they should And I supposed to be in a 382 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: cell for like twenty or something like forty two hours 383 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: or seventy hours, whatever it is, they're helding them way 384 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: beyond that that's supposed to be the man maximum amount 385 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: of time they're supposed to be held. And I think 386 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: that's the takeaway. That's the takeaway that folks need to understand, 387 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: is that this agency is not operating the way that 388 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: it should be. And what was what is really painful 389 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: to hear is that this agency, specifically Border Patrol, constantly 390 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: says we need more money we need more money to 391 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: have better conditions. We need more money so we can 392 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: release people on time. The fact is the Department of 393 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: Home and Security gets so much money, billions of dollars 394 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: every year. Their budget has been increasing, and most recently 395 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: they received four point six billion dollars. Congress approved that 396 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: and without any accountability mechanisms or oversight mechanisms, and so 397 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: they're getting so much money, but the money is not 398 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: going into better conditions. And I think that's very important 399 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: for people to realize they're not using that to make 400 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: sure that people are are let out on time. Instead, 401 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: what they're using that for is more space and and 402 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: really just enforcement as well, because that money goes to 403 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: that exactly, and profit and and private companies operate the 404 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: detention centers within the interior of the United States. Atalanta 405 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: was operated by the Geo Group, which is a private company, 406 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 1: which makes it even harder to get information and even 407 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: harder to have transparency. And that's just something that's literally 408 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: where the money is going. And we really want people 409 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: to understand that, and we we actually like like our 410 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: kind of saying, we do have the opportunity to change that. 411 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: In California, half of California House Democrats voted to give 412 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: four point six billion dollars to the Department of Homeland Security, 413 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: half of California Democrats. And so this is an issue 414 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: on both sides of the aisle, and us as constituents 415 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: really have to urge our members of Congress and the 416 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: Democrats not to support any additional funding, especially when there's 417 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: no accountability attached to it. And that was something very 418 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: very difficult to see is that this this money four 419 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: point six billion dollars essentially can be transferred within the 420 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: Department of Homeland Security to enforcement operations. So recently we 421 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: heard about the threats of ice coming into these cities 422 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: like Los Angeles and arresting hundreds of people. That is 423 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: only possible with the money that they're getting. If we 424 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: really defund the Department of Homeland Security, these kinds of 425 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: massive operations and threats are no longer possible, and that's 426 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,479 Speaker 1: something all of us can do to change. Okay, so 427 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: what I mean, but how how do we defund the DHS? Right, 428 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: so we know that I believe it's twenty four House 429 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: Democrats that voted to give more money. What we're doing 430 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: through our Rapid Response network is We're going to be 431 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: meeting with congressional members throughout the month of August because 432 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: the budget fight happens in August, and we're going to 433 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: have people meet with them, first to thank the folks 434 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: that did not vote for the four points expillience, but 435 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: all then at the same time to keep the people 436 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: who did a acountable and to really explain the education 437 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: needs to be done that this is where the money 438 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: is going. The money is going not to the border, 439 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: not to make sure conditions are better, but instead to 440 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: make enforcement more, to make enforcement larger, and to have 441 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: more detention centers. And so all of us can call 442 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: our members of Congress. There's a list of the people 443 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: that did vote for that four points experience. So I 444 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: urge everybody that's that's listening to really afterwards look up 445 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: to see if your congress member did actually vote for 446 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: the four point six supplemental request and give them a 447 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: contellent that's unacceptable, and explain why it's because that money 448 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: is not going to better conditions. That money is literally 449 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: going to these threats, to these ice rates. And so 450 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: that's something everybody can do. One of the things I 451 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: think is really important is for all of us to 452 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: really educate ourselves. And for so long Americans have seen 453 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: immigration as a domestic policy issue, and I think Donald 454 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: Trump wants us to see the manufactured crisis on the 455 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: border as a domestic policy issue. But I think it's 456 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: really important for us a better understand that it's a 457 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: foreign policy you as we shared UM, and we have 458 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: to understand why people migrate, which is predominantly because of 459 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: climate change, economic inequality, and violence, especially in Central America. 460 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 1: And so I think that we're not going to address 461 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: root causes of white people migrate through detention camps. We're 462 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: not going to address the root causes through a wall, 463 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: and we're not going to address root causes through raids, 464 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: which is purely performative. And at the end of the day, 465 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: I think we need a broad menu of policies that 466 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: improve the lives of immigrants and deep investment into Central 467 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: America like the Martiall Plan after World War to the 468 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: United States did a huge investment back into Western Europe 469 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: and specifically Germany. And so there are incredible policy opportunities 470 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: to get involved. There's ways to activate UM your own 471 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: community by bailing out folks, by donating in your miles, 472 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: UM to being a helper and um serving as Yeah, 473 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: just serving us, like a really excellent person that doesn't 474 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: perpetuate bad information as well, and racist information as well. 475 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: So I guess the first thing is don't be a racist. 476 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: Trying not to be a racist. Let's everybody start there. Well, 477 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: I think that's what's really hard for someone I've had 478 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: to totally tune out the news is there's so much 479 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: information that you don't know. I'm on the treadmill at 480 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 1: the gym and there's Fox News, MSNBC, CNN, and you're 481 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: watching their music. The music they put to the news. Now, 482 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: it sounds like a shooting spree. It's so un it's 483 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: like the the the you know, Fox News, Amazon, it's 484 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: all too much. It's you know, it's and it's unpleasant. 485 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: It's just harsh and and it's dark. And there's great 486 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: things happening in the world. There's everything from Julie Sharon 487 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: bailing at immigrants, and there's also wonderful things that are 488 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 1: happening at the state and local level. Our governor. Governor 489 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: is doing incredible work to improve the lives of of 490 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: immigrants right now. But yeah, and I just I want 491 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: to be I want to be a person. That's part 492 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: of the solution, you know what I mean. I want 493 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: to be doing something and I want to do more. 494 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: And I had a group of friends over last week 495 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: to discuss, you know, like actionable things we can do, boycotts. 496 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: What do we do? Do we boycott Amazon? Do we 497 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: does everybody commit not to buy gas for a day 498 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: until these babies are out of cages and reunited with 499 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: their families? What do we do? What will have an impact? 500 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: And you know what we can't kept coming back to is, 501 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: first of all, how can any mother be okay with 502 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: this happening in your country? That's right, Like we're supposed 503 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: to be looking out for other people's kids, not just 504 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: our own. And then the second part is religion. How 505 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: can they co opt religion and and do this in 506 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: the name of religion and pretend that this is a 507 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: Christian way. This is not Christianity, this isn't any religion. 508 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: And what we were thinking, what has been a lot 509 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: of people have said, had this idea is to you know, 510 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: really magnify that with images, with having all different sorts 511 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: of religious leaders go down to the border, have a 512 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: big event, have a huge concert, and have them set 513 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: standing there with toothbrushes and out and blankets and all 514 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: the things that babies need, not being allowed to go 515 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: in and being denied to help these little innocent children 516 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: who have nothing, have done nothing wrong, um And I 517 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: think that's powerful. So, I mean there's so many organizations 518 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: on the ground. If you're one and you're listening, please 519 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: get in touch with me. Everybody knows how to get 520 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: in touch with me, um be because we want to 521 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: align with other groups that are doing stuff and we 522 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: want to create a big movement or whether it's a 523 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: social media movement. I know a lot of people are 524 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: already working on this, So it would be great to 525 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: join forces with somebody who's got a great idea and 526 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: just needs more amplification because so many people just can't 527 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: move about their day in a normal way because of this. Okay, 528 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: well this sounds like a good time to take a break. Well, 529 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 1: so we we've covered a lot of ways that people 530 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: can help, and like Chelsea said, well link to all those. 531 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: But is there an outlet or a resource that people 532 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: can use to get the most accurate information because, like 533 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: I said, there's so much that on the television that 534 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: you're watching, or so many tweets that you see, like 535 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: what is a very digestible either website or outlet that 536 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: people can look to for accurate information of what's going 537 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: on at the border camps. Right. So, actually, NILK, the 538 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: National Immigration Law Center, is amazing. It has an amazing 539 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: UM website with a bunch of resources explaining the different 540 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: policy changes and the legal background of all these all 541 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: these policies, and it's just very helpful I think for 542 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 1: folks to to go on the website and then learn 543 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: a little bit more about the background and what this means. 544 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: What is what is the result of for example, like 545 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: Trump UM restricting asylum, Like recently last week you mentioned 546 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: that he's going to make it even harder for folks 547 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: to apply for asylum. How is that going to affect people? 548 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: What are what are the legal what's the legal background 549 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 1: for that? I think NEILK is a really good source 550 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: of that. Also, UM the i l r C, which 551 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: is the Immigrant Legal Resource Center, is a very great 552 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: UM resource. I use it all the time when I'm 553 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: trying to really understand policies and UM changes in the law. 554 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: And so I recommend those two specific places absolutely agree. 555 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: And next Twitter handle is at an I ll SEE, 556 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: which stands for the National Immigration Law Center. We have 557 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: a huge team UM that is making sure that everyone 558 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: that wants to be updated and informed can be updated 559 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: and informed. Great, thank you, Brandon. Do you have anything 560 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: else you UM? I think like one of the common 561 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: questions for people who are not politically savvy is how 562 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: do we address what people on both sides of I'll 563 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: say that we need border control, anyone should be able 564 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: to get in. How do we do that appropriately? Like, 565 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: what is the response to that? There are other countries 566 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: that have UM systems where when someone does migrate there, 567 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: it's not a matter of them being detained, but rather 568 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: they are integrated into a case management system where they're 569 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: given the resources and the information to properly live at 570 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: that in in that country, meaning that they're getting information 571 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: on where to get food, where to go to school, 572 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: all of that is being facilitated by case workers. And 573 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: I think that that's something that we should really as 574 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 1: a country UM dedicate our money too, because instead of 575 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: what we're doing currently is really dehumanizing people that are 576 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: coming here, making them feel that they're not wanted, that 577 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: they shouldn't have come here. And I think the answer 578 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: to that could be to have a very robust case 579 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: management system where we are really trying to provide as 580 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: much social services and information to people that are coming 581 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: here so they can live their lives, they can get 582 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: a foot in the door. Um. And I think that 583 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: is absolutely possible. I think, of course, looking at the 584 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 1: way things are now, it seems very unlikely that that's 585 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: going to happen sometime in the future. But I think 586 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 1: us as a country, we really need to start looking 587 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: at putting our money into systems that really integrate people. 588 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: And I think that there are many ways to do it. Um. There. 589 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure there are policymakers that have been um fiddling 590 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: with those ideas for a long time. And so I'd 591 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: be interested to see the next presidential candidate, the next 592 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: person that that takes office, really try to employ those 593 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: kinds of strategies of integration into the border. Might be 594 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: interested to see that. And just in terms of the election, 595 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: I really think that because we're in the fight for 596 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: the soul of our country, Americans are really hungry for 597 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: an inclusive vision of our country, and that's rooted in 598 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: our cherished values of belonging and thriving and the opportunity 599 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: to get ahead, and so I'm really excited about But 600 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: people believe that that only belongs to the people that 601 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: are already in this country, and some people believe that 602 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: is only a white person's privilege. That's right, which is 603 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: what we have to organize. You have to get the 604 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: word out and we have to call our members of Congress. 605 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: They work for us, and we have the Donald Trump 606 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: Vata office in November. Well, to your point about the election, 607 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: are there specific candidates that you've seen who how policy 608 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: in place or could have policy in place for the 609 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: immigration issue. Who are those candidates that people should be 610 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: looking to personally? Democrats, Yes, start there, that's a given. 611 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: I think UM. Personally, it's been very great. It's been 612 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: really great to see Julian Gastro really highlight immigration as 613 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: a priority in his policy platform, and I really recommend 614 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: people to go to his website and to look, really 615 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: look and read um the policy platform that he has 616 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: for immigration, because it is all about reducing our dependence 617 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: on detaining folks. It's really about that integration process and 618 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: trying to provide resources to immigrants instead of treating them 619 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: like criminals and trying to make the system so difficult 620 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: for folks to get a foot in the door. So 621 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: I think it's been really great to see him really 622 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: highlight that UM during the debates and UM within his 623 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: his policy plot from so I'm interested to see UM 624 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: where that goes moving forward. I agree, And I also 625 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: think that all the candidates can go further to advance 626 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,479 Speaker 1: a bold vision. At the end of the day, I 627 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: think that Americans really want to be done with this, 628 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: the Trump's vision of distraction and hate, and so we're 629 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: just looking for someone with an alternative. Change is super 630 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: possible when we get loud and we get organized, things change. 631 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: When we organized, we win. And so I just feel 632 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: really strongly that when we come together. So about last summer, 633 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: an organization and called Hand in Hand organized these playdate 634 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: protests where a whole bunch of parents and their kids 635 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: went to ICE offices around the country. There's one in 636 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: downtown l A. And I took my daughter too, and 637 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: then we did another protests on Valentine's Day. She poor kids, 638 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: She's always like, happy Valentine's Day. We're going to a protest. 639 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, kid, of yes, we are. It's better 640 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: than celebrating Valence, I think. So I think so, but 641 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: what's fascinating is that Mom's parents, um aunts, UM, they 642 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: came together and it was getting really really we were 643 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: getting loud, and then you see the effects of us 644 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: getting loud, and then Donald Trump will shifted his behavior. 645 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: So I just think that when we get together and 646 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: we organize and we show up, we show up at 647 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: these centers, we show up at our congress members um offices, 648 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: when we show up together UM at the protests, people 649 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: are listening and people really care. And when I mean people, 650 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: I mean the elected officials that we pay. Because right 651 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: now the numbers at around fifty thousand, is that accurate 652 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: for the folks that are detained. It actually fluctuates even 653 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: even above fifty thou um. The last UM average daily 654 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: population that I've heard of was actually fifty four thousand. 655 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: So and the thing is, I think again, this is 656 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: another very specifically we need to highlight, is that DHS 657 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: is not supposed to be detaining that many people. They 658 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: only have money to detain around forty four thousand people. 659 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: That was the money that Congress allocated to them for 660 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: the last fiscal year. And so it just shows that 661 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: this this this agency is not even obeying the rules 662 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: set forth by Congress. It's not um detaining the number 663 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: of people that it should be detaining, it's actually detaining more. 664 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: And so that's right. So that's it. But but that 665 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: goes to their argument for needing more funds, which you said, 666 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: we don't want to give them, right, right. But the 667 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: problem is is that they they're asking for more funds, 668 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: they're getting more detention space, and the conditions are just horrible, 669 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: and they're just and honestly getting worse and worse and worse. 670 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: We're seeing more reports, more pictures, more news about just 671 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: how horrible life is inside those detention centers. So it's 672 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: when they use that argument, it to me, it's just 673 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: a matter of trying to place the blame on something else. 674 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: They're not using this this money to make the conditions 675 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: better or to fix the solution, to really get to 676 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: the core root of the problem and fix the solution 677 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: to make integration possible. Instead, they're just using this as 678 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: a way to get more and more money. One of 679 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: the things that's been terrible is that when everyone is 680 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: paying attention to Donald Trump's Twitter, his minions are quietly 681 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: taking our wrecking ball to the legal, entirely lawful immigration system, 682 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: and it's going almost entirely unnoticed. And so the Trump 683 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: administration is actually in its final stages of changing our 684 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: immigration rules in a way that will affect millions of 685 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: lawfully residents and their and their families by imposing a 686 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: wealth test um to make the road to citizenship impossible 687 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: for anyone that struggles to make ends meet. So the 688 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: story about so many of our families, not all, but 689 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: so many of our families that have come over with 690 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: five dollars in their pocket, Um, that's gonna absolutely change 691 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: if you only have five dollars in your pocket, if 692 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: you're the next entrepreneur, Um, you're going to be a 693 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: black from coming to this country because of this racial 694 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: wealth test. And so this regulation change that's going to 695 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: impact twenty six million people. And we actually think that 696 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: this regulation change, which is called public charge um, but 697 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: it really is the lynchpin in Trump's very xenophobic agenda. 698 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: And he's using this back to our regulatory approach because 699 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: he couldn't get it done in Congress. And so that's 700 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: the one thing I wanted to just like pay attention, 701 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: what can we do about that? I am so excited 702 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: because there's this incredible website that allows you to take 703 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: action called protect Immigrant Families dot org. Okay, well that's 704 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: a good one. And what did they do obviously protecting 705 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: family exactly. That's the best part when a website is 706 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: actually indicative of what we're trying to do. So there's 707 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: opportunities to light when the when the rule is going 708 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: to come out, there's going to be an opportunity to 709 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: really push and let members of Congress know and are 710 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: you allowed to I mean, is that something where you 711 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: can actually go in and help, like one family know 712 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: that you've done it instead of giving to an organization 713 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: that's distributing it at their own accord or is that 714 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 1: what kind of organization is So protect Immigrant Families as 715 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: a campaign to prestend that rule that's going to impact 716 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: twenty six million people. But the other organizations that we 717 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: talked about, including Immigrant Families to take out, there are 718 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: places that you can go to sponsor a person, so 719 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: to help a individual and then if you won't create 720 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: a kind of a bond and a relationship with them, 721 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 1: or you can just be like, here's some money. Yeah, 722 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:43,919 Speaker 1: I would like that. I would like I mean, i'd 723 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 1: have some someone stay in my house for sure, you're amazing. No, 724 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: but I would. I have a big house, I don't 725 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 1: have to teach other and I'm never and I'm never there, 726 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: so it's perfect. I mean there's always someone that's did 727 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: you know? I want to say, Kristin Bell. Did you 728 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 1: see her? She she bailed out an asylum seeker for 729 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: her birthday last year and she was just recently released. 730 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: And so let's get used at up. I want to 731 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: do that. For sure. We're going to have a winter 732 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 1: birthday my birthday. I don't have to do it for 733 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: my birthday. We could just do it, but sure my 734 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: birthday February. Everyone should know that. Anyway, right Brandon, Right, 735 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: mind's coming up to Umber thirteen. So maybe we'll get 736 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: you a new roommate. Oh yeah, dual birthday gift or 737 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: what for you and for me? Okay, We're going to 738 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 1: do what we can on our end, and I will 739 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: keep everybody posted if there is some something that you 740 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: can be part of that. I start and thank you, ladies, 741 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: thank you for coming in today. I really appreciate it. 742 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: Thank you. Life will be the Death of Me as 743 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from 744 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, visit the i heart radio, app, Apple podcasts, 745 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.