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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host of.

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Speaker 1: Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,

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Speaker 1: and today on this show, we're stealing our meals. We're

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Speaker 1: like that guy from now One Musical Lay Miss Robbs,

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Speaker 1: who he stole loaf of bread, and so do these animals.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about klepto parasites who will steal their food,

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Speaker 1: just like your coworker who takes your lunch all the time.

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Speaker 1: Call tell me he's a klepto parasite. I'm sure that'll

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Speaker 1: go well. Discover this and more as we answer the

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Speaker 1: asi old question if someone's not gonna eat their own bar?

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Speaker 1: Is that fair? Scoop it up? Is that too gross

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Speaker 1: to have on a podcast? Joining me today is proprietress

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Speaker 1: of the website How to Eat La and host the

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Speaker 1: smart Mouth podcast, Catherine Spires. Welcome.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: It is always a delight to be here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I We're we're off to a good start. I'm

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Speaker 1: already talking about eating vomit. And yeah, yeah, why don't

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Speaker 1: you tell I have had you on the show before,

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Speaker 1: but just to refresh people's memories. Oh, you're you are

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Speaker 1: a food expert tress.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, everything I do is extremely feminine. Yeah. I

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Speaker 3: am a food writer, food journalist, super interested in food history.

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Speaker 3: So smart Mouth is about food history, and that's that's

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Speaker 3: what I focus on. I like knowing where things come from.

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Speaker 3: And then you mentioned how to Eat La, which is

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Speaker 3: also my new life's work. Some can you call something

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Speaker 3: your life's work if you've only spent a year on it? Yes,

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Speaker 3: I think so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that's just restaurant reviews.

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Speaker 3: And I like to think that I'm better at it

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Speaker 3: than everybody else, so you know, it's not a reindorsement,

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Speaker 3: you know myself.

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Speaker 1: I think I like that attitude because too many people

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Speaker 1: are like, well, I'm starting this website. I don't actually

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Speaker 1: know anything, but I thought i'd start a website, and

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Speaker 1: so it is refreshing to have someone who starts a

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Speaker 1: website because you truly do know more than say, someone

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Speaker 1: like me, which is honestly true. I like food, but

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Speaker 1: do I know the origin of the humble Hamachi fish?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: I don't. Well.

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Speaker 3: The other thing, too, is I think even if I

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Speaker 3: have my moments where I don't think I'm good at things,

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Speaker 3: I think when I'm talking to people, and I want

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Speaker 3: them to consume the things I prey. I have to

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Speaker 3: at least pretend, right. Yeah, I don't like it when people,

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Speaker 3: you know, post here's a thing. No, that hasn't inspired

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Speaker 3: me to consume it at all.

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Speaker 1: Non confidence, even if it's not well deserved. That's the thing, exactly.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: But antically in your case, Catherine, it is well deserved, and.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: As it is for me because I'm the best at animals.

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Speaker 1: What does it mean to be best at animals? I

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Speaker 1: won't explain, It's self evident. So we are talking about

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Speaker 1: klepto parasites today. Klepto parasites are animals who like to

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Speaker 1: steal their food, and it is incredible. I do. Okay.

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Speaker 1: We were having a conversation before we start recording that

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Speaker 1: I just feel like is too good to leave out

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Speaker 1: of the show. We were talking about Vespertine. It is

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Speaker 1: a restaurant in Los Angeles which is incredibly expensive. I

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Speaker 1: don't remember how expensive it is, but it is pricier

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Speaker 1: than your average you know, Burger shack, and it presents

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Speaker 1: you with food that's supposed to be extremely creative and artistic.

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Speaker 1: But it's stuff like food stuck onto branches of driftwood,

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Speaker 1: and like a tiny little smear of something, or what

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Speaker 1: appears to be a cannonball with some cream on it,

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Speaker 1: and the cannonball is not edible. You just lick the

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Speaker 1: cream off of the cannonball. And I feel that this

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Speaker 1: is sort of a reverse klepto parasitism, where you are

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Speaker 1: feel like stolen from in some way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I feel like restaurants like that maybe just

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Speaker 3: need to call themselves an interactive art project. Yes, because

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Speaker 3: that's what it is more than it's dinner and people

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Speaker 3: maybe say, erase that from your mind.

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Speaker 2: That's not what we're about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is art. Yeah, maybe they I don't know,

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Speaker 3: maybe they'd be more successful.

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Speaker 1: I would respect them. I would respect them so much

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Speaker 1: with that where this is art, because I think I

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Speaker 1: have once you if you say do something weird and

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Speaker 1: I ask you, what are you doing? That's very strange.

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Speaker 1: You have just picked up you a piece of garbage

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Speaker 1: and put it on your head. But if you say

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Speaker 1: it's art, I'm gonna believe you and I'm gonna be like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is very symbolic of our current capitalistic society.

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Speaker 3: I get it. There you go, yeah, see exactly. It's like, here,

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Speaker 3: come to this art show and we'll feed you. It's

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Speaker 3: like a better deal than like sit here for three hours,

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Speaker 3: are tedious?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, come to this art show and you know, suck

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Speaker 1: some I guess caviar from this mannequin's butt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't eat. Sex will be provided.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be if I was gonna open a

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Speaker 1: fancy restaurant, I would I would do stuff like that,

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Speaker 1: put caviar on a mannequin and be like, you gotta

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Speaker 1: look it off. This mannequin. Isn't that artistic? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And then it becomes a thing where the actual art

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Speaker 3: project is seeing how far you can push.

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Speaker 1: Right right exactly, Like here's a leaf with a snail

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Speaker 1: on it. You're supposed to smell it, not eat it,

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Speaker 1: and see if people accept that.

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Speaker 3: You know, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I mean we've

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Speaker 3: got a million dollar idea, right right, well so yes,

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Speaker 3: And honestly, animals have already figured all this stuff out.

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Speaker 1: They know how to make the food experience artistic and

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Speaker 1: exciting through the can you call Theft an art I

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Speaker 1: think so, right, the art absolutely, such as the artful

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Speaker 1: Dodger exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think I love a heist movie. I like

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Speaker 3: seeing how they get it done.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of Oceans, yes, one through eleven, so

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Speaker 1: you know that. I think indeed theft is an art

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Speaker 3: Don't sleep on Oceans eight Oceans eight, just saying, just saying,

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Speaker 3: I don't actually yeah, I don't actually know. I've never

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Speaker 3: seen a single Oceans movie, and I don't know what

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Speaker 3: the numbering system means or is. Yeah, it's the number

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Speaker 1: Like chronological numbers.

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Speaker 3: Well, they did it first, and then you know they

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Speaker 3: made a woman version and that had to have fewer

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Speaker 3: people obviously. Okay, eight, you know eight, like how a

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Speaker 3: lady is shaped with boobs in butt. So cuckoo bees, Catherine,

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Speaker 3: let's start talking about animal biology.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you've heard of cuckoo birds. There's also cuckoo bees.

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Speaker 1: So cuckoo bees is a type of bee. And there

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Speaker 1: are many types of bees right outside of honeybees. In fact,

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Speaker 1: So cuckoo bees lay their eggs in the nurseries or

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Speaker 1: species of cuckoo bees with different strategies allowing their newborns

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Speaker 1: lay their eggs in the nests of bee species that

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Speaker 1: have a like they form sort of a cell. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it's in a piece of wood. Maybe they you know,

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Speaker 1: create a nest out of like some material like mud,

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Speaker 1: they usually they also put some food in there for

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Speaker 1: their larva to feed on. So it's like crap creating

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Speaker 3: Humans aren't allowed to do that, no, which is.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think if you put food in there,

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Speaker 1: it's technically not an effect, right right, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Totally fine.

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Speaker 3: So many rules helicopter parents.

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Speaker 1: I know, right, you gotta like feed your child every day.

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Speaker 3: These cuckoo bees are real seventies parents.

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Speaker 1: No, well, no, so the cuckoo bees are worse. I'm

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Speaker 1: just describing. This is the the life of a solitary

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Speaker 1: like that they're actually exhibiting a good parenting for a

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, so right right, Solitary bees are the ones

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, like, there are many species of bees who

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Speaker 1: So all of the females will try to produce offspring,

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Speaker 1: cuckoo bees are even lazier. So the cuckoo bees will

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Speaker 1: whatever food that the host bee had left for its

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Speaker 2: Hate it when that happens.

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Speaker 1: I hate it when that happens. I you know, man,

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Speaker 1: I thought my insurance policy would cover such an event. No, man,

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Speaker 1: that's an that's an unnatural disaster, supernatural disaster. We do

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Speaker 3: So uh okay. And then for both kinds, like the

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Speaker 3: do when the bees hatch or when they when they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they chew their way out of the nest and

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Speaker 3: Okay, But these cuckoo bees, first they eat everything in sight,

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Speaker 3: and then they take eggs.

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Speaker 1: They eat both the hosts, the host's own baby, and

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Speaker 1: it's it's similar to how cuckoo birds work. Cuckoo birds

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Speaker 1: bird species. The cuckoo bird egg hatches, and often the

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Speaker 1: or at least they will steal food because basically they're big,

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Speaker 1: they are demanding of the other birds, and the birds

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Speaker 3: Okay, So the birds don't know that this egg did

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Speaker 3: not come out of them, that's right, okay. And and

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Speaker 3: then so how do the other animals feel about cuckoo

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Speaker 1: I mean, if they unders stand what's going on, I

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Speaker 1: don't think they appreciate it. So with birds, at least

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Speaker 1: when it comes to cuckoo birds, a lot of bird

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Speaker 1: the biggest bullies of the aquatic bird, the waterfowl. So

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Speaker 1: skuas kind of look like a seagull, but they are

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Speaker 1: They can be brown or white with some brown and

434
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: black spots or not spots but like a black head.

435
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: And some have seasonal plumage that can change. But yeah,

436
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: they all share one thing in common, which is that

437
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: they are professional buttholes. They are incredibly aggressively mean, and

438
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: they will be they'll essentially, uh, pretty much all Skewus

439
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: species tend to be very vicious kleptoparasites, if not outright

440
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Speaker 1: predators of other birds. They are incredibly bold. They lack

441
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Speaker 1: all boundaries. They will steal and eat the chicks of

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Speaker 1: other bird species, including penguins. They'll even steal milk from

443
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Speaker 1: elephant seals by like sneaking in to a nursing elephant

444
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: seal mother and like, you know, sippin' at a.

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Speaker 3: Nip oh that.

446
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 2: I don't care for that at all.

447
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 3: No, that's that's perverted. That's a criminal perversion.

448
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 2: I don't like that.

449
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: It's like if at the ending of Grapes of Wrath,

450
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: instead of this woman feeding the old guy, it was

451
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: like this very annoying bird comes over and helps itself

452
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: less poetic, less poetic exactly. I feel like the consensual,

453
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: you know, it felt more consensual in grapes of wrath.

454
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: This is just this is just a pervert bird. And

455
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Speaker 1: so they will harass other aquatic birds, even those larger

456
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: than themselves, until their victims are so stressed they will

457
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: regurgitate their recent meals. So a reaction to extreme stress

458
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: and fear can be to vomit or to regurgitate your meal.

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00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: This is something common in animals. I mean some people

460
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: might have experienced that before. So these poor birds that

461
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: get harassed by the skewas'll regurgitate their hard earned catch

462
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: a fish or whatever they've been eating, and then the

463
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: skuas will just start eating that regurgitation. And they also

464
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: will do really heinous crimes, like they'll go right into

465
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: penguin colonies, ignore all these angry penguins and then steal

466
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: their eggs and chicks, and sometimes just like right in

467
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 1: front of the parents, like just you know, a few

468
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: meters away, they will just start eating the chicks and

469
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: the eggs. And yeah, they are they'll even like go

470
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: right under the butts of the penguins and steal their

471
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: eggs or their chicks. They are so they're like the

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00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: most chaotically evil animal in the world.

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Speaker 3: I don't like these guys.

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00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: They are a little mean, but I kind of in

475
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: a weird way, I admire how just you know, I

476
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: guess both they are. They're they're a holes and they're

477
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: not shy about it.

478
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 2: It just is this like.

479
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 3: The best use of their own energy. They could be hunting,

480
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 3: but instead they're distressing other creatures out well.

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00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing, is that all most aquatic

482
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: birds do some form of kleptoparasitism and will steal from

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Speaker 1: each other. It just turns out that these birds are

484
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: particularly aggressive. They will hunt for themselves. But you know,

485
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: if they are able to successfully steal from others then

486
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: and it works, then it works, right.

487
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of really interesting things in terms

489
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: of evolutionary biology and these the concept of like cheating

490
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: and stealing and stuff in the ways in which there's

491
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: evolutionary arms races in terms of trying to combat thieves

492
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: combating cheats. But the harsh truth is that your thief

493
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: in your cheat in nature, and it works. There's no

494
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: consequences for you.

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00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 3: Hey, I know, I'm certain you've talked about this on

496
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Speaker 3: the show before, but just real quick, do you think

497
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 3: that when the you know, the recent spate of orca's

498
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 3: going after boats. Are they do we have any sense

499
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: of are they having fun doing that?

500
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: M This is a great question, and that actually leads

501
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: us into the next animal, which is that there are

502
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: actually we see this behavior of ramming and bullying to

503
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: get another animal to regurgitate its food in pilot whales

504
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: and Riso's dolphins, who are actually they are both dolphins,

505
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: but they actually look more like I would say, more

506
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: like a killer whale and orca than they do a dolphin.

507
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: These are medium sized dissetaceans who are both in the

508
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: dolphin family. They have blunt heads and look a little

509
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: bit like belugas, but they are a grayish black and Arisa,

510
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: so the pilot whales are a grayish black whares. The

511
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: Resa's dolphins are a modeled gray, and both of these

512
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: species have been observed charging and harassing sperm whales. So

513
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: sperm whales are huge. There are a whale many times

514
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: the size of these guys, but these smaller whales, these

515
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: smaller dolphins will ram them and the especially like right

516
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: into the mouth of the sperm whale, and the sperm

517
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: whale will get stressed and regurgitate its food, which these

518
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: little bullies will just like help themselves to so in

519
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: terms of your question about the orcas, I mean orcas

520
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: may I'm wondering if this is a similar behavior, Like

521
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: maybe the orcas do ram whales or other animals in

522
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: order to either bully them by like to get out

523
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: of their territory, or to get them to regurgitate food.

524
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: And maybe they've started doing this to boats, either because

525
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: it's fun and it's a behavior they already know how

526
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: to do, or or because they're annoyed by the boats,

527
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: or because they're hoping the boats will regurgitate some food

528
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: for them.

529
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: Hm hmm. Yeah, I guess it could be any of

530
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 3: the above or all of the above.

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00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, or all of the above. Yeah, you know, uh,

532
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: orcas aren't always polite, but that's okay. We still love them.

533
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 3: Do you love dolphins like standard dolphins, bottlenose dolphins?

534
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: You mean, like yeah, I mean I think that they

535
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: get they get a bad rap sometimes because they have

536
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: behaviors that seem a little bit psychopathic. But when you

537
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: look at their behavior, these kind of like you know,

538
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: it's hard to judge an animal by human morality because

539
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: it is they have like a fundamentally different sort of

540
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: sense of the world, So it's hard for me to

541
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: judge the dolphins. I think that they're also they're interesting

542
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: because their behavior is very diverse depending on the individual.

543
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: Like there be some real real jerk dolphins, and there

544
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: can be much more nice, like sweeter, nicer dolphins. They're

545
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: not just it's not like the skuas who sort of

546
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: like basically all of them are jerks. Oh but you know,

547
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: because they need to be. But you know, with some

548
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: like and some jerk behaviors that dolphins do actually serve

549
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: a purpose. Like they've been seen they like will torment

550
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: octopuses by slamming them against the water, and you think,

551
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: like that seems like a jerk move, but it turns

552
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: out that if they're to eat an octopus, octopuses can,

553
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: like as they're swallowing them, those limbs can like kind

554
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: of suction onto their throats, so if they don't fully

555
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: kill them, they can actually choke on the octopuses. So

556
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: they will slam these octopuses over and over again, pulverizing

557
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: them basically until they are absolutely sure they're dead so

558
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: they don't choke. So sometimes cruel seeming behavior on the

559
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: part of the dolphins is actually just survival.

560
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 3: Wow, the animal kingdom is like even and wilder than

561
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 3: we are.

562
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: Let's believe as children.

563
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: It's rough, it's it's a it's a tough world out there. Well,

564
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,239
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break and then when we

565
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: get back, we are going to talk about some little,

566
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: itty bitty klepto parasites who are much braver than their

567
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: size would seem to indicate. Okay, so this is one

568
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: of my favorite animal names, and it's a real it's

569
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, they're I guess official name, uh, freeloader flies

570
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: as described, Yes, pretty much. They're also known as jackal flies,

571
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: but I like freeloader flies better. Yeah, and which they

572
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: it is? They are a family of teeny tiny klepto

573
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: parasites who are very very bold. They rarely grow to

574
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: be bigger than three millimeters, So like, these are little,

575
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: teen tiny flies. Like multiple freeloader flies can fit on

576
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: a single bee wing, so you know they're they're little guys.

577
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

578
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: And so at such a small size, you would think

579
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: that these flies would steer clear of predators like spiders,

580
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: but instead observers can find these little flies dancing on

581
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 1: the recently killed prey of a spider or other predatory insect,

582
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: like right next to the spiders, so it is they

583
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: are I mean, I guess you could describe them as

584
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: kind of like, I mean, the way that Disney portrays

585
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: hyenas is unfair to hyaenas. It doesn't really work that way,

586
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: but the kind of stereotypical way in which people think

587
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: of hyenas where they go and they crowd around a

588
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: lion's kill or something, but really it's more with hyenas

589
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: and lions. The stealing goes both ways for them also,

590
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: like lions will steal from hyaenas and hyenas will steal

591
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: from lions, and it's kind of a you know, it

592
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: is not this unequal relationship where the hyenas are just

593
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: always scavenging. The hyenas also hunt, but they'll scavenge and

594
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: lions also scavenge, so okay. But with these flies, they

595
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: seem to be pretty dependent on these spiders in terms

596
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: of getting food from their recent kills. So the flies

597
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: seem to be attracted to the smell of recently killed insects,

598
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: and sometimes they are incredibly specific. So some species of

599
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: freeloader flies specifically fixate on the smell of freshly killed bees,

600
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: and that's it. They're like on a bee diet.

601
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 3: Only bees, only bees, any kind of bee.

602
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: I it can be different types of members of the

603
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: heminopteras order, so like, yeah, it can be different types

604
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: of bees, different species of bees, but bees or wasps. Yeah,

605
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: And so they appear to lick and consume fluids from

606
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: the dead insect, which has already been injected with digestive

607
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: enzymes by the spiders. So essentially what spiders do is

608
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: they you know, pump their victims full of these digestive enzymes,

609
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: turned them into like a smoothie, and the spider can

610
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: slurp it up. But then these little freeloader flies also

611
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: you know, take the little sip themselves and allow the

612
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: spider to do the hard work of capturing the prey

613
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: prepping it into a smoothie, and then they just slurp

614
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: it up and the spider doesn't seem to either be

615
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: the wiser or attack them, which is really really interesting.

616
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 3: Oh wow, Yeah, I think I like this thought of

617
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 3: the spider sort of marinating its meat and having a

618
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 3: cookout for the neighbors and they all get to eat

619
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 3: this delicious marinated meat.

620
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

621
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 3: Also I've decided I don't I think I'm afraid of spiders.

622
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: That's good.

623
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: What are people afraid of spiders? Just because of the

624
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 3: way they look? They are disconcerting looking.

625
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: There's some evidence that like a fear of spiders and

626
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: snakes may be somewhat innate, so that maybe spider bites

627
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: and snake bites can't can be or have been in

628
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: our history dangerous enough that we have some instinctive fear.

629
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: But you know, for me, I went through like an

630
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: arachnophobic phase as a kid and then just sort of

631
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: flipped on it because I was so scared of them

632
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: that I would be interested in them because I've always

633
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: been kind of interested in the things that I'm scared of,

634
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: and then I started loving them and then no longer

635
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: being scared of them. I think they startle me right,

636
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: like if one is like on me, Yeah, it's very startling,

637
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: but I would like if I see one, I'm not like.

638
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: Afraid of it.

639
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: So but I think, yeah, I think that's the I

640
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 1: think there's there may be some kind of instinctive fear.

641
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: And then also they are very like the their movements

642
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: are interesting because they're very fast, and they are they

643
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: move in a way that is I guess uncomfortable. And

644
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: then also they can they can bite you. And most

645
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: spider bites are harmless, but the I guess there's a

646
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: fear of the venomous spider bites, which are very rare.

647
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeahallid.

648
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 3: I I think I have a reasonable fear of bees.

649
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: But just this.

650
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 3: Morning, I walked out my front door to water my

651
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: plants and I saw that there was a wasp nest

652
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 3: or hornet's nest. I couldn't tell, right, a boat, Oh no,

653
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 3: my door, which is not good. So I googled to

654
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 3: try and find out is this the yellowjacket or what?

655
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: And I found out about something called a thistle down

656
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 3: velvet ant.

657
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that's that's a species of uh there, it's

658
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: a yeah, it's a wasp.

659
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

660
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: And they they're like it's because of the flightless ones

661
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 1: or the reason that they're called these velvet ants because

662
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,479
Speaker 1: they look kind of like a giant ant.

663
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, just the yeah, and the thistle down one

664
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 3: in particular is fuzzy and white and it's just about

665
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 3: the cutest thing I've ever seen.

666
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's adorable. What are you gonna do about it?

667
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 3: Though? Well, I think that, I mean, tell me if

668
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 3: I'm wrong. The only thing I know to do is

669
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 3: an exterminator, because I know that if I try to

670
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 3: knock it down myself, they'll try and kill me. So yeah,

671
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 3: is there something else that I should do?

672
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: No, I think that it's really difficult when you have

673
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 1: a wasp nest that close to you, because I think

674
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: that as much as I love, you know, insects and stuff,

675
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: I don't have any objections to getting rid of insects

676
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: that are you know you are in danger of getting

677
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: stung by. I don't know much about the thistle down

678
00:39:54,880 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: velvet ants. If they are particularly aggressive they are, okay, well,

679
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: then yeah, I think you're making the right call.

680
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 3: I don't, honestly, fortunately, okay, unfortunately, slast fortunately I don't.

681
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 2: This is not what they are.

682
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 3: I kind of wish they were, except for it's good

683
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 3: that they're not, because I would try to keep them

684
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 3: as my own and name them and think that they're.

685
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: Oh, I see hippies.

686
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 3: But yeah, but they're also called cow killer wasps.

687
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: That's how strong they are.

688
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, you want an exterminator for that, So yeah,

689
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: I don't I have no problem with that because I

690
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: think it's your safety. Like if they're bees, sometimes you

691
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: can call a local apiary or apiarist beekeeper, I guess

692
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: is what it's called, and they will come and they

693
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: will instead of killing the bees, they will come and

694
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: they will take the bees and they will relocate them.

695
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: So like honey bees are the ones that sometimes colonize

696
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: your house, and so a beekeeper might come and relocate

697
00:40:55,320 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: the bees. Wasps aren't civil enough before that happen. It's

698
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: I don't. I think most times with the wasps, they

699
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: just they just have to kind of like you know,

700
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: uh kill them or somehow move the nest and you

701
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: know it's a but yeah, I know, no shame in

702
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 1: that because you don't want to get stung. A bunch

703
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: of times.

704
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: I don't.

705
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 3: I don't.

706
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: I've had that happen before.

707
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 3: I did not care for it, yeah at all. And

708
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 3: my garden is actually full of bees and I feel, God,

709
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 3: do you think that I have to tell the guys

710
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 3: to like keep their poison to this one very specific area.

711
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: I mean, it depends on the quality of the exterminator.

712
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: I guess, like a good exterminator should be careful, not

713
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: to like completely blasted everywhere. But you know, I mean

714
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: just like, uh, yeah, it should it should be Okay,

715
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: usually I think that it is very localized to the

716
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: actual nest. They shouldn't like, I don't think they're going

717
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: to like drop a drop a wasp bomb down on it.

718
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I mean it's also like, honestly, sometimes wasps.

719
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: I again, I don't know that much about the thistledown

720
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: velvet aunts, but yeah, they can be predatory towards bees.

721
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: So if you're worried about the bees, I wouldn't worry

722
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: too much about these wasps.

723
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 3: Okay, Well I like that, and I'm going to keep

724
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 3: that in mind to assuage my guilt.

725
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if these specific

726
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: wasps are bee predators, but there are certainly a lot

727
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: of wasps that are.

728
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, and then so these are two and that yeah,

729
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 3: that's blah blah blah. We'll just assume that, yes, exactly so.

730
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 3: But yeah, and speaking of killing bees, yeah, so these

731
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 3: there are species of these freeloader flies that love to

732
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 3: suck on dead bees, and they rely on these spiders

733
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 3: to kill the bees for them, and sometimes their relationship

734
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 3: to spiders is even closer and more intimate. So some

735
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: freeloader fly species have been observed feeding around the mouth

736
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 3: and but of spiders many times larger than the flies.

737
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 3: So and it seems that rather than killing the fly,

738
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 3: the spider allows this. So there is speculation that the

739
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 3: fly may be providing a cleaning service to the spider,

740
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 3: like both a spider dentist and proctologist, I suppose. Yeah,

741
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 3: I know proctologists, their job isn't just to clean the

742
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 3: butt that I know that, I understand that. But still,

743
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 3: so basically the fly is grooming the spider maybe and

744
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 3: getting nutrition from it, sort of like have you seen

745
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 3: those like cleaner wrasts, those little fish that clean other fish. Yeah,

746
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 3: they're these little slender fish who pick off parasites of

747
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: larger fish. And so yeah, it seems like based on

748
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 3: these observations, these spiders have this symbiotic relationship with these

749
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: these freeloader flies who and they may even like open

750
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 3: their sort of mouth parts to allow the fly better

751
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 3: access without actually eating them. So maybe the calculation might

752
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 3: be between these flies and these spiders where the spider

753
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 3: if they eat the fly, sure, that's like a quick

754
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 3: meal but then maybe this these flies like avoid this

755
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 3: spider or get spooked off, and letting them clean them

756
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 3: instead of eating them might benefit them more than just

757
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: eating this tiny little spider or tiny little fly.

758
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 2: What if?

759
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 3: What if it is a romantic and sexual relationship though

760
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: it's unlikely, but you know, I think that I can't

761
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 3: be against it isn't unlikely, just kind they're different species.

762
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not a lot of so you can have

763
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 1: You could I could imagine something where there could be

764
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 1: some like if the fly is cleaning around the spider's genitals,

765
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: it could be that the spider is like there's some

766
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: reward pathway right to the sensation there where the spider

767
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: is fine with it, and so in that way, you

768
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: could think of it as a sexual relationship if that's

769
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: the case, which I don't know romance. I can't imagine

770
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: an insect having a concept of romance, although there are

771
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: some spiders who like jumping spiders who do these really cute,

772
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: colorful displays for their partners, So I don't know. Maybe

773
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be too hasty there. Interspecific sexual relations sexual relation, really,

774
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: interspecific sexual relationships are very rare, just because you know,

775
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 1: it's not something that generally works out, and.

776
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: The breakups are rough.

777
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: The breakups are rough, and especially if the species are

778
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: really different from each other, that doesn't mean it does

779
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: not happen. Especially they're like, there can be weird things

780
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: with birds because birds baby birds sometimes have this imprinting things.

781
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: So like birds who imprint on humans may actually be

782
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: sexually attracted to humans and try to have sex with humans,

783
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: which doesn't work because the birds just basically flying into

784
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: your face and you're like, what is happening with this bird?

785
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's a hopefully unrequited love situation with

786
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: the birds and the humans. And there are sometimes sexual

787
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: relationships between closely related species, like say a polar bear

788
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: and a grizzly bear, and you know, on occasion they

789
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 1: can actually result in offspring, like a roller roller bear

790
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: or pisley, and so yeah, you can't have that. But

791
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: a fly and a spider, I just I think they're

792
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 1: too different. I don't know that it's gonna work out. Okay, okay,

793
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: fair enough, but you could you could write that book.

794
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Yeah, the spider and the fly

795
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: and the fly cotton, the spiders webs and it's basically

796
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 1: like fifty shades of gray, but this spider stuff.

797
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, basically, you know exactly.

798
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. On that wonderful note, before we go, we got

799
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: to play a little game called the Mystery Animal Sound Game.

800
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 1: Every week I play Mystery Animal Sound in you the listener,

801
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: and you the guests, try to guess who is making

802
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: that sound. So last week's episode was a rerun because

803
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: I was having some technical difficulties. But just to make

804
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: sure you're not left hanging if you're listening to these

805
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 1: episodes in sequence, the mystery animal sound was a pigeon

806
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: cooing happily. So there you go. Anyways, onto the actual

807
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: mystery animals sound of the well the week before last

808
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: week and time, ain't she a fickle mistress? Sometimes it's

809
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: last week, sometimes it's week before last week. Okay, so

810
00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: this is the most recent new Mystery Animal sound guessing

811
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: game entry.

812
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 3: Here we go.

813
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: This was the one from the Fallout episode. The mystery

814
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: animal sound was this A picture is worth a thousand words,

815
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: but this critter paints a clear picture with its call.

816
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: All right, Catherine, you got any guesses as to who

817
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 1: might be making this sound?

818
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: Oh? Gosh?

819
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 3: Uh? It was very Disney esque I feel like, no,

820
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 3: I feel like I can't narrow it down because I'm

821
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 3: thinking bird, I'm thinking some sort of frog or toad.

822
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 3: But I'm also thinking like any kind of baby animal.

823
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 2: So this one gets me stumped.

824
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: Well, this is actually an African painted dog dogs is like, yes,

825
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: this is a canine a cannon. So African painted dogs

826
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 1: are adorable wild canids who have spotty, patchy coats that

827
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: look like you spilled a bunch of brown and white

828
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: paint on it. They're pretty, though, it's very very pretty.

829
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: They live in sub Saharan Africa, and there are five

830
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: species of these types of African painted dogs. They are

831
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: highly social, but unlike most social species of predators, females

832
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: are the ones who will go off and disperse to

833
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: new packs. So like what you see with say lions

834
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: or something, is that you'll have a male born in

835
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: a pride and then the male goes off to start

836
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 1: a new pride or find a new new pride, and

837
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: in these ones, that's actually the males that stay sort

838
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: of at their natal packs, and it's the females who

839
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: go off to find a new pack. They are also

840
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: they do have hierarchies with like a domin breeding pair.

841
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: But they're relatively easy going with each other, and they've

842
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: actually been known to vote on whether they depart for

843
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: a hunt by account of social sneezing. So social sneezing

844
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:17,240
Speaker 1: is like a fake huffing sneeze, and it is something

845
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: that the dog is using to communicate that it wants

846
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: to go on a hunt. And there's like, as these

847
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: dogs get together, when there's sort of a plurality of sneezes,

848
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 1: they all decide to go off on the hunt.

849
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 3: They're so that's so smart, and they're they're puppies with

850
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 3: mouse ears.

851
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: How can this be?

852
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: They do have mouse ears? Yes, Oh they're adorable.

853
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Did has anyone tried to domesticate them?

854
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know for sure. I would imagine

855
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: they might be difficult to domesticate, just as it would

856
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: be difficult to domesticate a hyena or a wolf.

857
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

858
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 3: I see that there's a zoo that gave them a

859
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 3: Golden retriever mom, But I know that's different.

860
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: That's so cute. They do that with cheetahs as well,

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Speaker 1: where like they'll raise a cheetah with like a companion dog,

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Speaker 1: because cheetahs are really shy, but they like to have buddies,

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Speaker 1: so like having a dog helps them with stress. But yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I mean these are they're they're really beautiful dogs. They

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Speaker 1: uh so the even though they're canines, they are not

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Speaker 1: It's not like dogs were domesticated from these dogs. They

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Speaker 1: are dogs were domesticated. It's more or less agreed upon

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Speaker 1: that all of our domesticated dogs, like our pet dogs,

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Speaker 1: came from wolves, not from these African painted dogs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I just think that if any canine wants to domesticate,

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Speaker 3: we should let it. Oh my god, they're really cute.

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Speaker 1: They are extremely cute. Ye, So onto this week's mystery

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Speaker 1: animals sound. The hint is this they can be victims

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Speaker 1: of thieves or thieves themselves. May the most punning rogues win?

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Speaker 1: All right, Katherine, you got any guesses?

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Speaker 3: Some sort of chicken, some sort of chicken.

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Speaker 1: Usually safe with that. It is a good, very good

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Speaker 1: guess when it comes to animal calls or to food. So, Katherine,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me today.

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Speaker 3: Where can people find you? Well, let's see, I oh,

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Speaker 3: I'm on TikTok at Catherine Spires. You'll have to look

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Speaker 3: at the show notes to see how to spell my

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Speaker 3: first and last names, and on Instagram at Katherine Underscore Spires,

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Speaker 3: and then howdoeatla dot com.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I highly recommend How to Eat La because LA

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Speaker 1: food is amazing, but you need a guide book, like

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Speaker 1: absolutely it is. It is like it's a labyrinth where

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Speaker 1: one haul leads you to the most divine food you've

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Speaker 1: ever had and the other corridor leads you to snakes

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Speaker 1: and spiders.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's the absolute truth. That's how it is here, That's.

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Speaker 1: How it is. Thank you guys so much for listening

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Speaker 1: to the show. If you're enjoying it and you leave

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Speaker 1: a rating and review, it actually tangibly helps me. It's

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Speaker 1: like giving me a high five, but also a high

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Speaker 1: five to the algorithm, which makes the algorithm like me better.

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Speaker 1: I don't really know how it works, but it does

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Speaker 1: actually help me. And thank you to the Space Classics

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Speaker 1: for their super awesome song Exo Alumina. Oh wait, I

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Speaker 1: almost forgot. If you know the answer to the mystery

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Speaker 1: animal sound game, you can write to me at Creature

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Speaker 1: featurepot at gmail dot com. You can also write to

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Speaker 1: me any kind of animal questions. I occasionally do listener

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Speaker 1: questions episodes where I try to answer your animal biology

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Speaker 1: evolutionary biology related questions. AH Creature Feature is a production

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Speaker 1: next Wednesday.