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Speaker 3: President Donald Trump is now on his way to Egypt

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Speaker 3: after delivering what I think could only be described in

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Speaker 3: tone as a triumphant speech at the Knesset in Israel

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Speaker 3: this morning, hailing a new dawn in the Middle East.

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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and roll this first clip of Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump's speech, during which he he needled Netanyahu and his

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Speaker 3: wife's there at Netanyaho a little bit for going over

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Speaker 3: what Trump expected the length of their speeches would be,

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Speaker 3: and said he was going to be late to Egypt,

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Speaker 3: but otherwise was lavishing praise on Nata Yahu and let's

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Speaker 3: go ahead enroll, basically taking a victory lap on the

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Speaker 3: peace deal. The hostages, of course, living hostages have been returned.

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Speaker 3: Trump was greeted with a lot of cheers by people

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Speaker 3: even who had been protesting Nata Naho in Israel, so

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Speaker 3: he was definitely feeling himself.

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Speaker 4: This is D zero B.

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Speaker 5: That they also convey. My tremendous appreciation for all of

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Speaker 5: the nations of the Arab and Muslim world that came

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Speaker 5: together to press Samas to set the hostages free and

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Speaker 5: to send them home.

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Speaker 6: We had a lot of help.

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Speaker 5: We had a lot of help from a lot of

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Speaker 5: people that you wouldn't suspect, and I want to thank

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Speaker 5: them very much for that. It's an incredible triumph for

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Speaker 5: Israel in the world to have all of these nations

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Speaker 5: working together as partners in peace. And it's pretty unusual

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Speaker 5: for you to see that, but it happened in this case.

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Speaker 5: This was a very unusual point in time, the brilliant

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Speaker 5: point in time. Generations from now, this will be remembered

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Speaker 5: as the moment that everything began to change and change

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Speaker 5: very much for the better. Like the USA right now,

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Speaker 5: it will be the Golden Age of Israel and the

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Speaker 5: Golden Age of the Middle East.

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Speaker 4: It's going to work together, okay.

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Speaker 3: So he also said that Marco Rubio would go down

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Speaker 3: as the greatest Secretary of State in history. As we

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Speaker 3: mentioned earlier, and one of the points people have made

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Speaker 3: throughout the war the last two years is that Natanyahu's

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Speaker 3: incentive to end the war hinged, at least in some

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Speaker 3: small part on charges against him. Donald Trump, waydon on

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Speaker 3: that as well. Let's go ahead and roll this clip.

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Speaker 6: I have an idea, mister President. Why don't you give

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Speaker 6: him a pardon? By the way, there was not in

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Speaker 6: the speeches you probably know, but I happened to like

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Speaker 6: this gentleman right over here, and it just seems to

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Speaker 6: make so much sense, you know, whether we like it

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Speaker 6: or not, this has been one of the greatest wartime presidents.

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Speaker 6: This is what been one of the greatest wartime presidents.

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Speaker 6: And Cigars and Champagne, who the hell cares the problem?

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Speaker 3: So Trump is on out now, on his way to

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Speaker 3: Egypt for a ceremony that Crystal and Soccer will surely

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Speaker 3: cover tomorrow with Arab leaders. But before Crystal we get

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Speaker 3: to that, I just want to or get to what's

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Speaker 3: happened in Gaza since I just want to mention this

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Speaker 3: quote from Steve Bannon this morning. He said the President,

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Speaker 3: reacting to the speech, had his game face on when

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Speaker 3: he showed up beat, clearly was icy. This is a

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Speaker 3: catastrophic defeat for the Israel First crowd and Tel Aviv Levin.

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Speaker 3: I think he's referring to Mark Livin there. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: they're banging their heads on the wall. It's a catastrophic

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Speaker 3: defeat because they overreached. They pushed this greater Israel project

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Speaker 3: and it came crashing down around them. Now, I have

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Speaker 3: seen a dynamic like that between Trump and netagna Who before,

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Speaker 3: don't see that Trump feels this is a catastrophic defeat

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Speaker 3: for the quote Israel First crowd in Tel Aviv Levin.

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Speaker 3: I feel like he's of the impression that everyone is

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's definitely.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the perception he got at Kanessa was praiseworthy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Jeremy Scahill tweeted, the scene in the Kanesse with

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Speaker 2: Trump is like watching the inverse of a war crimes tribunal.

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Speaker 2: The leaders and facilitators of the Gaza genocide are congratulating

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Speaker 2: each other and uplauding their crimes. And I think that's

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Speaker 2: well said. And look, there's so much to say about this.

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Speaker 2: Number one, this deal was always available always. All it

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Speaker 2: took was an American president, whether it was Biden or Trump,

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Speaker 2: saying we're done, You're done, We're done.

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Speaker 7: This is ending.

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Speaker 2: Very similar jail has been on the table from Hamas

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Speaker 2: from the early phases of the So let's be clear

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Speaker 2: years time, and will show you the homes that they're

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Speaker 2: returning to, which in many cases are just simply rubble.

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Speaker 2: The amount of death and destruction and disease and horror

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Speaker 2: administrations is something that none of us should ever forgive.

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Speaker 2: And there remain a lot of questions about what exactly

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Speaker 2: happens going forward, because it's very possible that we look

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Speaker 2: back on this speech as a sort of mission accomplished

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Speaker 2: moment for Trump, he will have to again assert himself.

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Speaker 2: In order for anything for the ceasefire just to be maintained,

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Speaker 2: you already have net Yahu and the President of Israel

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Speaker 2: indicating that they're not done, that they want to go

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Speaker 2: back in once they've gotten their hostages, they're captives back.

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Speaker 2: So just to maintain the ceasefire is going to continue

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Speaker 2: to take presidential will, and certainly any sort of rebuilding, reconstruction,

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Speaker 2: anything that even approaches looking like peace or justice will

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Speaker 2: require intensive attention from this precedent, and the initial you know,

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Speaker 2: that he laid out which envisioned him running aboard alongside

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Speaker 2: Tony Blair, does not even come close to approximating anything

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Speaker 2: like justice or peace, which is what is required in

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Speaker 2: order to actually have coexistence, you know, and an end

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Speaker 2: years and years and years. We are a long long

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Speaker 2: way away from that. But you know, thank God that

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Speaker 2: the people in Palestine, that people in Gaza are today

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Speaker 2: survive onto those next battles. I think, you know, we

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Speaker 2: the table for Gaza coming forward. President Trump certainly doesn't

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Speaker 2: care about their humanity, and also that it is such

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Speaker 2: it's just you know, watching these little kids with joy

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Speaker 2: on their face that they're able to, you know, get

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Speaker 2: whatever remains of where they're from. You know, it's been

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Speaker 2: I think very it has been a lot emotionally.

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Speaker 3: I mean, these videos that we're about sure everyone are

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Speaker 3: like incredible in a lot of different ways, and incredible

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Speaker 3: you look at the just utter abject devastation, and then

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Speaker 4: When you look at people.

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Speaker 2: The resilience is like I can't even imagine it, can

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just yeah, it's It's one of the

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Speaker 3: things I've seen that just one of those moments that

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Speaker 3: makes you realize how siloed we are and like living

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Speaker 3: in different universes you are. It's that like I've seen

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Speaker 3: some people on the right saying, why are none of

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Speaker 3: the ceasefire now? Why isn't of the ceasefire now? Crowd

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Speaker 3: celebrating the end of the war, And then there's two things.

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Speaker 3: On the one hand, I actually have seen a lot

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Speaker 3: videos coming out of Gaza where people realize that they're

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Speaker 3: not under fire literally every single day. I've seen plenty

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Speaker 3: And on the other hand, it's like, well, how much

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Speaker 3: of that can you do? And there are also so

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Speaker 3: many trip wires in this potential peace plan that is

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Speaker 3: so obviously so so fragile. So there's two things happening

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Speaker 3: right there. But also it's impossible, it's impossible, it would

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Speaker 3: be impossible for anyone not to watch these kids dancing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the other piece of that is

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Speaker 2: like it feels very hard to celebrate something when you

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Speaker 2: know that we'll cover this the one you know, wastewater

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Speaker 2: it's hard to hard to celebrate, you know, two years

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Speaker 7: Let's go and take a.

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Speaker 2: Look at some of these images, and I think that'll

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Speaker 2: and I'll explain, you can see. These are people, you know,

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Speaker 2: then I don't know. You're you're insane if you still

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Speaker 2: a video we didn't include in the montage, but one

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Speaker 2: that really particularly got me because I love cats. A

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Speaker 2: look exactly like my cat Salem. That many will I

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Speaker 2: thought you will have seen you. I thought that, yeah,

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Speaker 2: big boy, he was a big boy like Salem. And

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Speaker 2: he's holding and he's like, Simba and I are going

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Speaker 2: to get to go back and we're going to get

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Speaker 2: to play together and like just you know, live life.

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Speaker 7: And it's what we have robbed.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we have robbed two years of the children

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Speaker 2: years of their childhood. I mean just endless trauma and

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Speaker 7: You know, the family members that have been lost.

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Speaker 2: You cannot possibly imagine what these little kids have been through,

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Speaker 2: what they have seen and experienced, things that most of us,

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Speaker 7: That's the best hope.

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Speaker 2: Ryan just posted that the one of those doctors that

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Speaker 2: I mentioned before is on the list of the hostages

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Speaker 2: to be released by the israel The Palestinian hostage is

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Speaker 2: to be released by the Israelis. And then one final note,

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Speaker 2: one of the individuals killed by those Isis linked Israeli

441
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Speaker 2: backed gangs was a notable journalist who. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's just so heartbreaking, Salad Jeff Frowy. Im sure I'm

443
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Speaker 2: butchering that name. I'm sorry, guys, but he was kidnapped

444
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Speaker 2: by gunman working with the Israeli army and so he

445
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Speaker 2: made it through all of these two years of genocide

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Speaker 2: only to be killed by these Israeli backed gangs at

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Speaker 2: the end.

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Speaker 7: So there you go.

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Speaker 3: Such a just a mess, obviously, and just the victory

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Speaker 3: lap juxtaposed with.

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Speaker 4: All of that. Yeah, it's a site, it's.

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Speaker 7: A lot, Chris.

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Speaker 3: So let's talk about cutter because Donald Trump is headed

454
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Speaker 3: to literally as we take this, he's headed to Egypt.

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Speaker 3: He is meeting with Arab leaders, and I would imagine

456
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Speaker 3: if he talks the pressed, this question might come up

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Speaker 3: about what's exactly going on with the Katari air base.

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Speaker 3: We're going to break down whether or not there is

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Speaker 3: a Katari air base. Let's go ahead and roll E one.

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Speaker 3: This is the original announcement from Secretary of War, which,

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Speaker 3: by the way, we use Secretary of War heag Seth's

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Speaker 3: preferred moniker here because Crystal, I think Secretary of Wars

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Speaker 3: are much more honest actual label than Secretary of Defense.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to miss cabinet label them. I

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Speaker 2: guess I don't know.

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Speaker 4: You don't want a dead cabinet name. Yes, it's a futant.

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Speaker 4: I do you think it's more honest? So here we go.

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Speaker 4: This is Pete Hegseth making the original announcement.

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Speaker 8: I'm also proud that today we're announcing or signing a

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Speaker 8: letter of acceptance to build a Katari Emiri Air Force

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Speaker 8: Facility at the Mountain Home Air Base in Idaho. Location

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Speaker 8: will be host a contingent of Katari f fifteen's and

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Speaker 8: pilots to enhance our combined training, increase lethality, interoperability. It's

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Speaker 8: just another example.

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Speaker 4: Of our partnership.

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Speaker 8: I hope, hope, you know your excellency that you can

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Speaker 8: count on us.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So then came a clarification tweet. This is E two.

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Speaker 4: We can put it up on the screen.

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Speaker 3: Heigseeth then posted on Friday, the US military has a

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Speaker 3: long standing and actually he used the language quote important clarification.

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Speaker 3: The US military is a long standing partnership with Cutter,

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Speaker 3: including today's announced cooperation with F fifteen QA aircraft hower.

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Speaker 3: To be clear, Cutter will not have their own base

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Speaker 3: in the United States, nor anything like a base. We

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Speaker 3: control the existing base like we do with all partners.

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Speaker 3: And actually, I'm going to do something that we don't

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Speaker 3: do very often. But let's roll back the original clips

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Speaker 3: just to compare the language language.

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Speaker 4: Let's let you one again.

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Speaker 8: I'm also proud that today we're announcing or signing a

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Speaker 8: letter of acceptance to build a Katari Emeri Air Force

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Speaker 8: facility at the Mountain Home Air Base in Idaho.

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Speaker 4: Location will be host a.

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Speaker 8: Contingent of Katari F fifteen's and pilots to enhance our

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Speaker 8: combined training, increase lethality, O operability. Is just another example

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Speaker 8: of our partnership. And I hope, hope you know, your

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Speaker 8: excellency that you can count on us.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So what he said, there is a Katari facility at.

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Speaker 2: The air base, tataro Ami air Force facility at the

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Speaker 2: air base.

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Speaker 3: So he didn't say air base, but he said air

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Speaker 3: Force facility.

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Speaker 4: At the air base.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's like assistant regional manager versus assistance to

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Speaker 3: the regional manager. I suppose I'm read a little bit

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Speaker 3: from the Associated press coverage here. They say when Heikessill

509
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Speaker 3: announced Friday morning that the federal government had reached an

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Speaker 3: agreement with Cutter to build a facility at an air

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Speaker 3: Force base and Idaho social media posts began popping up online.

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Speaker 4: Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: But the facility being built at the Mountain Home Air

514
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Speaker 3: Force Base in Idaho isn't a separate base at all.

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Speaker 3: It is a group of buildings that will be built

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Speaker 3: to handle training and maintenance for Katari troops. And the

517
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Speaker 3: agreement with Cutter has been in the works for years.

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Speaker 3: So there's a little bit of additional context here. But

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Speaker 3: even in the additional context from the reporting. It says

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Speaker 3: it is a group of buildings that will be built

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Speaker 3: to handle training and maintenance for Katari troops. They say,

522
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Speaker 3: in fact, on siting on site training agreements with allies

523
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Speaker 3: are common in the US. The Republic of Singapore squadron

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Speaker 3: have been hosted at the base in two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 3: German forces trained at the Holloman Air Force Base in

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Speaker 3: New Mexico for decades. New facilities to train F thirty

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Speaker 3: five fighter pilots were completed at Ebbing Air Force Base

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Speaker 3: in Arkansas last year. But again, Crystal, obviously this is cutter.

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Speaker 3: It's different than Its completely different than Germany, It's different

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Speaker 3: than Singapore, different than all of that.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's different for Trump because they give him

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Speaker 2: money and stuff.

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Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, it's the timing of Hagseth

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Speaker 3: making that announcement that people are like, wait a second,

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Speaker 3: what's going on.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, also, I mean this may be another instance of

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Speaker 2: why Pete Hegseth has been relegated to like just lecturing

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Speaker 2: generals about being too fat and shaving their beards or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Because we covered earlier how apparently Rubio and Stephen Miller

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Speaker 2: are the ones who are actually really running the Department

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Speaker 2: of War policy at this point. So anyway, the fun

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Speaker 2: part of this was Laura Lumer crashing out, we can

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Speaker 2: put E three up on the screen. She went on

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Speaker 2: like a multi dozen long tweet tirade about this before

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Speaker 2: the clarification. She says, never thought I'd see Republicans give

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Speaker 2: terror financing Muslims from Qatar a military based on US

548
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Speaker 2: soil so they can murder Americans. By the way, that

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Speaker 2: line from her, that was Trump's line back in the

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Speaker 2: first administration, which again shows you just how arbitrary like

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Speaker 2: even the label of terror ultimately is.

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Speaker 7: I mean, Siria is the perfect example of that.

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Speaker 2: But in any case, she says, I don't think I'll

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Speaker 2: be voting in twenty twenty six. I cannot in good

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Speaker 2: conscience make any excuses for the harboring of Jihatis. This

556
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Speaker 2: is where I draw the line. We've got another one

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Speaker 2: here from Laura Lumer. We can put up what the

558
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Speaker 2: hell is going on? Why are we trying to train

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Speaker 2: more Muslims out of fly planes on US soil? Didn't

560
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Speaker 2: we already learn our lesson? Why are we encouraging more

561
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Speaker 2: Islamic infiltration? Of our country by the funders of Lamas

562
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Speaker 2: and the Muslim Brotherhood. This is very bad for our

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Speaker 2: national security. Guitar is one of the largest funders of

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Speaker 2: Islamic terror. Now they're being rewarded by getting a Katari

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Speaker 2: Air Force base in Idaho.

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Speaker 7: This is outrageous.

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Speaker 2: We're allowing the Islamic enemy to gain so much ground

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Speaker 2: in our country. I will never support this, and I

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Speaker 2: mean Lumur is just like brazenly outwardly, unapologetically Islamophobic, which

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Speaker 2: certainly comes out in this particular message on it.

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Speaker 4: I think she would actually describe herself.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Oh, I don't think she would object to that characterization.

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Speaker 4: No, no, I don't think.

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Speaker 3: I don't actually I don't know. I'd have to look

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Speaker 3: it up, But I don't think that she would would

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Speaker 3: be my strong assumption. But yeah, I mean, so as

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Speaker 3: the Associated Press reports, this has been like they say,

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Speaker 3: it's been in the works for a while. But I

579
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Speaker 3: think it's pretty obvious that the Trump administration's timeline here

580
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Speaker 3: has to do with negotiations just in general. And so yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's different than Germany. It's obviously different than Germany for

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Speaker 3: many reasons.

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Speaker 4: But there you have it. This is you can see

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Speaker 4: where the Laura Lumburs of the world are.

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Speaker 3: Like, hey, wait a second, Wait a second, I mean

586
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Speaker 3: the sort of this is going to be an interest

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Speaker 3: same thing for Trump down the road, because the israel Hawks,

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Speaker 3: who are very supportive of Donald Trump, bitterly hate Cutter

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Speaker 3: and see.

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Speaker 4: Cutter obviously in one of the very la does exactly.

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Speaker 3: And so Trump is extremely close to the Qataris. Steve

592
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Speaker 3: Woodcough is extremely close to the Katari's. They're going to

593
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Speaker 3: be instrumental in executing any if I mean, if you

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Speaker 3: want this peace deal to stick and you really Wantahu

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Speaker 3: not to go back into Gaza and make this conflict

596
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Speaker 3: kinetic again, they're going to need the guitars, probably why

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Speaker 3: this was partially.

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Speaker 4: Sealed when it was sealed, So that's going to be

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Speaker 4: a problem for him.

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Speaker 2: But the ones that came his jet, yeah, the Air

601
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Speaker 2: Force one, yeah.

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Speaker 5: And that.

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Speaker 3: So this is going to be a problem for Trump

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Speaker 3: long into the future. Like this doesn't stop with this controversy.

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Speaker 2: It's always just interesting to see what issues too are

606
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Speaker 2: like a red line for people, you know, like that's

607
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Speaker 2: all you know, all of the other shit he's done,

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Speaker 2: you're cool with, and then you know this, like weird

609
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Speaker 2: Air Force partnership whatever, Like that's the thing where you

610
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Speaker 2: draw the line.

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Speaker 7: So that's always fascinating to me.

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Speaker 3: I mean, isn't the Trump Organization. I feel like they

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Speaker 3: have a It's hard to keep track of all of

614
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Speaker 3: the deals. But I thought they were doing something in

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Speaker 3: in Doha. I thought they had just done something in

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Speaker 3: Doha for the Trump Organization, which was led by Eric Trump, which.

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Speaker 7: Is, let's see, very likely.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, they're building a electric golf resort.

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Speaker 2: Trump Organization signed to deal with Qatar's government, Yes, for

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Speaker 2: a luxury beachside resort, eighteen whole golf course north of Doha,

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Speaker 2: value in the billions includes villas, has drawn ethics scrutiny

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Speaker 2: from watchdogs, called a potential conflict of interest.

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Speaker 7: Ge do you think it's so obviously?

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Speaker 3: But I think this is Ryan's point about when does

625
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Speaker 3: the deal happen.

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Speaker 2: It's when the Israelis bum his money and Trump in Doha.

627
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Speaker 3: Like Trump like a principle, if you get called into

628
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Speaker 3: the principal's office, makes Netta Nyahoo call his parents, Like

629
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Speaker 3: makes Netta Nyaho called cutter and apologize in front of

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump. I'm not speaking from experience. I never had

631
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Speaker 3: to call my parents in the principal's office because I

632
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Speaker 3: punched someone.

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Speaker 4: That did not happen.

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Speaker 3: But it's exactly what Trump was doing that like you,

635
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Speaker 3: I'm going to watch you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, tell Cutter that.

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Speaker 7: You're sorry, right well, and yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: And look the Israelis, I mean, they had gotten away

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Speaker 2: with literally everything.

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Speaker 7: Nothing had been too far.

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Speaker 2: I guess it's another example of like, oh, this was

642
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Speaker 2: this was your redline. But from Trump, it makes sense

643
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Speaker 2: that this would be the issue that would be like nope,

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00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: we're done here. But that being said, if they had

645
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Speaker 2: pulled off the operation and successfully murdered the Palestinian negotiators,

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Speaker 2: then you know, they would have been able to forestall

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Speaker 2: the deal into the future, you know, additional length of time,

648
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Speaker 2: which was certainly their goal.

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Speaker 3: So I just final point that golf resort deal was

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Speaker 3: struck in April, so as the Trump administration was negotiating

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Speaker 3: from an end to this war, and the Trump administration

652
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Speaker 3: was negotiating an end to this war, the Trump organization

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Speaker 3: was negotiating a golf resort in Cutter and Eric Trump

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Speaker 3: at the signs that at the time said we are

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Speaker 3: incredibly proud to expland the Trump brand and to cut

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Speaker 3: her through this exceptional collaboration with Katari, DR and d are Global.

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Speaker 3: So if you think these things are completely disconnected, if

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Speaker 3: you think Jared Kushner having backing from the Saudi government,

659
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Speaker 3: the Saudi royals, if you think these things are just connected,

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously that's untrue. You know, there's it's all

661
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Speaker 3: blended together at this point. Obviously.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, up next to anti Grist, let me let you

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Speaker 2: set this one up. I mean, I'll give you the

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Speaker 2: bear bones. Le's put this up on the script the

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Speaker 2: Washing and Post. So Peter Teal, we all know and love,

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Speaker 2: gave this series of four private lecture lectures like two

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Speaker 2: hours each.

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Speaker 7: You had to.

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Speaker 2: Agree that they were off the record and not to record,

670
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Speaker 2: blah blah blah. Well they got leaked, the audio got

671
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Speaker 2: leased the Washington Post. So they wrote up this piece.

672
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Speaker 2: They say inside billionaire Peter Teel's private lectures warnings of

673
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Speaker 2: the Antichrist and US destruction tech billionaire. They write, Peter

674
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Speaker 2: Steel recently warned that Swedish activists Greta Tunberg and critics

675
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Speaker 2: of technology or AI are quote legionnaires of the anti

676
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: Christ in private lectures on Christianity that connected government oversight

677
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Speaker 2: of Silicon Valley to an apocalyptic future. In the four

678
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Speaker 2: roughly two hour lectures, which began last month, Teal laid

679
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Speaker 2: out his religious views to a sold out audience told

680
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Speaker 2: to keep the contents off the record. According to an

681
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Speaker 2: invent listing, he argued those who proposed limits on technology

682
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: development not only hinder business, but also threatened to usher

683
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Speaker 2: in the destruction of the US and an era of

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Speaker 2: global totalitarian rule. According to the recordings, Now for a

685
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Speaker 2: guy who helped found pallenteers invested in this whole world,

686
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Speaker 2: very convenient that he sees any sort of infringements on

687
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Speaker 2: technological development as helping to usher in the Antichrist. And

688
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 2: there's also, I mean, there's a lot that's really noteworthy

689
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Speaker 2: about this too. I mean the fact that he like

690
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Speaker 2: it's explicitly religious and Christian in a Silicon Valley setting

691
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: where that hasn't always been the association. I know from

692
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Speaker 2: listening to some of the other things that he's said publicly.

693
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Speaker 2: You sent me some of the lectures that he'd given

694
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Speaker 2: or the talks that he'd given previously, that he also

695
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: likes to connect it to Okay, well, even if you're

696
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: not religious, like there's a secular concern.

697
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Speaker 7: About the end of the world.

698
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Speaker 2: You can think about nuclear weapons, you could think about

699
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Speaker 2: climate christ you could think about AI. But he believes

700
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Speaker 2: that while AI development is dangerous, that the risks of

701
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Speaker 2: not developing AI are more dangerous and will lead you

702
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Speaker 2: potentially down the path as legionnaires of the Antichrist too

703
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Speaker 2: an era of global toaliers Harry and rules, so a

704
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: very convenient set of beliefs for him.

705
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Speaker 4: To hold right.

706
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Speaker 3: So Peter Teele has started over the last year framing

707
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Speaker 3: this in explicitly biblical Christian theological terms by focusing in

708
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Speaker 3: on catacom, which is from Second Thessalonians. I'll get into

709
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Speaker 3: that a little bit more. We can put f one

710
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Speaker 3: up on the screen. This to the Washington Post article

711
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Speaker 3: on a sort of leaked lecture leaks from a lecture

712
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Speaker 3: that Teal gave in San Francisco. But he has been

713
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Speaker 3: doing these lectures in multiple different places. And one of

714
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Speaker 3: the interesting parts of this Post article, there's been a

715
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Speaker 3: Wired article on some leaks that came out. You're seeing

716
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Speaker 3: this drip into the media in recent months. He did

717
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Speaker 3: this long interview with Rostatha. We're going to get into

718
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Speaker 3: that as well. In fact, we actually already covered this too, because,

719
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Speaker 3: as you said the Tapist show Crystal, anytime someone with

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Speaker 3: the power that Peter Teal has starts talking like this,

721
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Speaker 3: you have to pay attention. So he's saying the same

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Speaker 3: thing over and over again. Every time you see a

723
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Speaker 3: new article or a new interview, he is making the

724
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Speaker 3: same pitch over and over again. And he's doing it

725
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Speaker 3: as there's this kind of Christian revival happening in Silicon Valley,

726
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Speaker 3: like a real the vibe shift that's happening nationally. There's

727
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 3: a real, not even an undercurrent anymore, of that happening

728
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 3: in Silicon Valley. You see it in people like Nicole Shanahan,

729
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 3: you see it in an organization that Teal is involved

730
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Speaker 3: with that's bringing in a lot of powerful people in

731
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Speaker 3: Silicon Valley. And you hear it a lot, a lot

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Speaker 3: a lot in the conversation about generative AIG language models

733
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Speaker 3: and that sort of thing. So here's a pretty representative

734
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Speaker 3: encapsulation of the tel argument. We can go ahead and

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Speaker 3: roll F two and then we'll do.

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Speaker 4: Some more breakdowns.

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Speaker 9: I think it's Evan Illich who said that in the

738
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Speaker 9: time before christ there were many for runners to Christ,

739
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Speaker 9: and the time after Christ there will be many fore

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Speaker 9: runners of the Antichrist. So in some sense it's a type.

741
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Speaker 9: So Nero was a type of the Antichrist, or maybe

742
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 9: Napoleon was a type of the Antichrist, and it's sort

743
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Speaker 9: of a it's someone who which aspires for world domination

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Speaker 9: to create the creation of the sort of one world state.

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Speaker 9: Some ways, Alexander the Great was sort of a pre

746
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Speaker 9: Christ prototype of the antichrisis, so very parallel to Christ.

747
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Speaker 9: They both die at thirty three. Alexander conquers the world,

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Speaker 9: Christ saves its sor sort of comparing contrasts. And so

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Speaker 9: in some sense, the Antichrist as an idea is something

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Speaker 9: that really comes to being in the world after Christ.

751
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Speaker 9: And so there's and then there's a lot of things

752
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Speaker 9: about that are mysterious. In some ways, the Antichrist copies Christ.

753
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 9: The Antichrist pretends to be greater than Christ, hyper Christian,

754
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Speaker 9: ultra Christian, and then maybe only ultimately, you know, deeply

755
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Speaker 9: deeply anti Christian. You can think of it as a system,

756
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Speaker 9: you know, where maybe maybe communism is a one world system.

757
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 9: So it can be an ideology or a system and

758
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Speaker 9: then then, of course you can also think of it

759
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Speaker 9: as as Newman did, where it's sort of the final

760
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Speaker 9: dictator of the of the one world state, where it's

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Speaker 9: it's still you stress it more as a person. You

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Speaker 9: think it was a type a system a person. How

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Speaker 9: does this sort of a world take over actually happen?

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Speaker 9: And it's kind of a not a deis x macinum,

765
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Speaker 9: but like a dammonium X machine. It's like the Antichrist

766
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Speaker 9: just gives these hypnotic speeches where nobody can remember a

767
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 9: word and then sort of just swindles people's souls out

768
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Speaker 9: of them and they submit to this totalitarian state or

769
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 9: something like this. And I think, I think if we

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Speaker 9: were to speculate on how to solve that plot hole,

771
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Speaker 9: we have an answer in the world after nineteen forty

772
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 9: five that people are in nineteen hundred nineteen, early twentieth century,

773
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 9: people were not yet scared of apocalyptic weapons. They could

774
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Speaker 9: not imagine, you know, anything of the scale that we'd

775
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Speaker 9: have by the second half of the twentieth century, and

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Speaker 9: so and so the Antichrist takes over by talking about armagedd.

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Speaker 3: The Antichrist takes over by talking about armageddon. Now Ross Dalfitt,

778
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Speaker 3: in his interview with Peter Teel, which recovered earlier, picked

779
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Speaker 3: up on what many of you are picking up on

780
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Speaker 3: after hearing Peter til say the Antichrist talks a lot

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Speaker 3: about armageddon. Well, he's been on a year long tour

782
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Speaker 3: talking about armageddon.

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Speaker 4: Let's roll the next clip.

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Speaker 10: Wouldn't the Antichrist be like, great, you know, we're not

785
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Speaker 10: gonna have any more technological progress, But I really like

786
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Speaker 10: what Palanteer has done so far, right, isn't isn't that

787
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Speaker 10: a concern? Wouldn't that be the you know, the irony

788
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Speaker 10: of history would be that the man publicly worrying about

789
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Speaker 10: the Antichrist accidentally hastens his or her arrival.

790
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Speaker 4: They're all, look, they are all these different scenario.

791
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Speaker 9: I obviously don't think that that's what I'm doing, but

792
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Speaker 9: in terribly that was.

793
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Speaker 3: A pregnant pause after Ross Daffa basically asked, are you

794
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 3: the Antichrist?

795
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Speaker 7: Am you seeing any of this in the mirror?

796
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Speaker 4: Well, it's giving Antichrist?

797
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 7: Well, and this is the thing.

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Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, if your fear is a totalitarian one

799
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: world government, nothing creates a possibility of that more than

800
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Speaker 2: the technology that like a pallenteer is developing, and we

801
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: see this right now in our country. Like part of

802
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: the threat of the Trump administration's you know, fascist tactics

803
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: and goals is that the technology is there now like

804
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: in a way that it wasn't after nine to eleven.

805
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: You know, there were incredible like owners tratrictions, like assaults

806
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 2: on civil liberties. That was all there, but we did

807
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Speaker 2: not have the level of tech that we have now

808
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: to actually be able to sweep up all of our

809
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 2: social media communications and give us all, you know, credit

810
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: scores and put us all on the you know, the

811
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Speaker 2: list of Oh you don't like Trump, so you must

812
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 2: you might low key via terrri. It's like that all

813
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: exists now in a way it didn't before, in part

814
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: because of someone.

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Speaker 7: Like Peter TiAl.

816
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Speaker 2: So that's that's one part of it that is just

817
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: like glaringly obvious. And then the other and then you

818
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Speaker 2: know the part that I mentioned before about how incredibly

819
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: convenient it is that you would see the people who

820
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: oppose any sort of restrictions on unfettered AI development as

821
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: you know, a true like threat to the world and

822
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 2: legionnaires of the Antichrist in his language. So that's one

823
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 2: piece of it, and then just to flesh onto land

824
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 2: a little bit more of what his argument is because

825
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 2: he says, Okay, yeah, there's dangers of AI development, but

826
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Speaker 2: the danger of not doing it is even more So.

827
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Speaker 2: He believes we're in this period of stagnation and that

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Speaker 2: if people aren't able to, you know, if there isn't

829
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Speaker 2: enough growth and people aren't able to you know, satisfy

830
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Speaker 2: their own you know, material needs, then you're going to

831
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Speaker 2: have you know, greater peril and greater dangers. And there's

832
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: a part of that that's true, and I certainly think that,

833
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 2: you know, growth is important, et cetera. I'm not a

834
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 2: de growther here, but he completely ignores the distribution of wealth,

835
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Speaker 2: which AI is only set to further consolidate all of

836
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: that growth in the hands of an already wealthy elite.

837
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Speaker 2: And there's a complete, you know, blind spot, as is true.

838
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Speaker 2: I would say if a lot of libertarians, which is

839
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Speaker 2: what he is, there's a complete blind spot around how

840
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Speaker 2: that wealth is distributed and the fact that the technologies

841
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Speaker 2: you're pushing are going to make us even more wildly

842
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: unequal and deny people. I mean, the goal of this

843
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 2: tech is to make it so that human labor is

844
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Speaker 2: basically irrelevant, so that people don't have jobs, Like, how

845
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: do you think that is going to go for society?

846
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Speaker 2: What sort of peril do you think that creates for society?

847
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Speaker 4: This is the big question.

848
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Speaker 3: I mean a lot of the libertarians who accuse everyone

849
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Speaker 3: else of being de growthers, say that what we need

850
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Speaker 3: is a democratized AI marketplace where you can have small

851
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 3: AI and big AI, big AI, big tech getting challenges

852
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 3: from small tech. But that's not at all what's poised

853
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 3: to happen, what it looks like. And this is brick

854
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Speaker 3: down some of the theological stuff coming out here, because

855
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 3: a lot of the coverage refers to Peter Till as

856
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 3: like a devout Christian or dedicated Christian or something like that.

857
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Speaker 4: And he's very eccentric. I mean, he may be devout

858
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Speaker 4: in his own way.

859
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 3: Is he does think very deeply and often about Christianity,

860
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Speaker 3: and he does apply a Christian framework, but his Christian

861
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Speaker 3: framework is not orthodox lowercase O orthodox Christianity at all.

862
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Speaker 3: He's very inspired by Rene gi Yard. He has almost

863
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Speaker 3: a George I was gonna say Petersonian, but like Jordan

864
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Speaker 3: Petersonian a belief in the mimetic power and the mimetic

865
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Speaker 3: roots of Christianity. Again like this is not lowercase O

866
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Speaker 3: Orthodox Christianity at all. But I think there's there's an

867
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Speaker 3: undertone here of him trying to make this argument palatable

868
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Speaker 3: to more lowercase or O Orthodox Christians, as the mow

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Speaker 3: more lowercase orthodox Christianity and a Christian revival happens in

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Speaker 3: Silicon Valley and in other places.

871
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Speaker 4: And what he's talking about is this.

872
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 3: So the verse of the catacon is in second Thessalonians,

873
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 3: where Paul writes, don't you remember that when I was

874
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: with you, I used to tell you these things? And

875
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 3: now you know what is holding him back, referring to

876
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 3: the Antichrist so that he may be revealed at the

877
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 3: proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already

878
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 3: at work, but the one who now holds it back

879
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 3: will continue to.

880
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 4: Do so till he is taken out of the way.

881
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 3: And so Carl Schmidt, who is infamous, very influential in

882
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 3: like New Right circles, infamous for becoming a Nazi basically.

883
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 2: And then providing a lot of the intellectual sort of

884
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: architecture like moral architecture for Nazism.

885
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 3: Friend enemy distinction, right, Carl Schmidt read a lot into

886
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 3: this question of the catacon because he saw one world communism,

887
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 3: which Peter Tildris used that exact same phrase as the

888
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 3: potential Antichrist.

889
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 4: So what Ross Dalthitt.

890
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 3: Was getting at is you say that this is holding

891
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: back the Antichrist. This is that what would hold back

892
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 3: the Antichrist would be this open marketplace of AI technology

893
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 3: and little tech whatever it is. Because maybe gretitz Hunberg

894
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 3: is the Antichrist, this de growth he seriously does. Maybe

895
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 3: these de growth environmentalists are the Antichrist. Because this gets

896
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 3: into the very famous verse from Revelation describing the Antichrist,

897
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 3: and it is eerie. I understand why people right now

898
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 3: have their sort of the goosebumps when you read this,

899
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 3: because this is from Revelation. It says the Beast also

900
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 3: forced all people great and small, rich and poor, free

901
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 3: and slave to receive a mark on their right hands

902
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy

903
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 3: or sell unless they had the mark, which is the

904
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 3: name of the beast or the number of its names.

905
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 3: So Revelation is really again it's very it's the sort

906
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 3: of dream prophecy, and you can project a million different

907
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 3: things onto it, and you can people take really literally

908
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 3: certain things out of it and say this is what's

909
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 3: happening right now, right now, it's about to be the rapture.

910
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 3: Even the rapture itself is something that you can take

911
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 3: really literally and not everybody believes in. But this is

912
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 3: a very specific prophecy. They could not buy or sell

913
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 3: unless they had the mark. Receive a mark on the

914
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 3: right hands or their foreheads, so they cannot buy or

915
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 3: sell unless they had the mark. You can again understand

916
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 3: why people right now look at crypto potential. Tucker just

917
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 3: had a podcast where you're talking about potential verification processes

918
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: that you would have to go through once everything moves

919
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 3: to crypto and digital currency as a literal like mark

920
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 3: to prevent you from buying or selling unless you can

921
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 3: verify that this is your wallet or.

922
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 4: Something like that.

923
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 3: So again, like people have read this into everything over

924
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 3: the process of industrialization. But what Teal is pitching here

925
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 3: is kind of what we saw as Cold War anti communism,

926
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 3: that communism is reflective of the Antichrist, that the Antichrist

927
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 3: is something where you see you know this, So this

928
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 3: is this, says the Second Beast was given power to

929
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 3: give breath to the image of the first Beast, so

930
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,959
Speaker 3: that the image could speak and cause all who refuse

931
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 3: to worship the image to be killed. Exercise all the

932
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 3: authority of the first beef beasts on its behalf, and

933
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 3: made the earth and its inhabitants worship.

934
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 4: It just goes on great.

935
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 3: Signs, causing fire to come down from heaven and earth

936
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 3: and full view of the people. So this idea that

937
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 3: there's a wonderful utopian Antichrist that speaks in ways that

938
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 3: are very seductive to modern people and then stampsy with

939
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 3: a mark.

940
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 4: Basically, you can't buy yourself.

941
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 3: Teal sees the catacoon as something that is holding that back,

942
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 3: and so he is now pitching AI, which of course

943
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 3: he's heavily invested in, as the catacom that holds back

944
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 3: the Antichrist. And again, is it sincere is it a

945
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 3: defense of his business and his worldview? I mean, Teal

946
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 3: is somebody who I'm curious if you agree with this, Crystal.

947
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 3: I think whatever you think of Peter Teel, the man

948
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 3: does have a very coherent libertarian ideological commitment. Like his

949
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 3: whole career is about what he sees as this American

950
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 3: dynamism powered by libertarianism.

951
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 4: And I don't know if this.

952
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 3: I've listened to just about everything he's done, both of

953
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 3: those Peter Robinson lectures. I don't know how sincere it is.

954
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 3: It's obviously awfully convenient. My suspicion is that he's trying

955
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 3: to make generative AI palatable to skeptical Christians like the

956
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 3: Targer Carlson's.

957
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 7: Of the world.

958
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if I could say that Peter

959
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: Thiel has been ideologically consistent in his like libertarian values

960
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: when I see, you know, the Trump administration infringing gravely

961
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 2: on any sort of like civil liberties and you know.

962
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 3: But he's never been a civil libertarian. He pitches himself

963
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 3: as a civilitarian.

964
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 2: That was the whole investment right, and I mean pallenteers

965
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 2: like directly contrary to civil liberties.

966
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 7: And Jade Vance is his guy.

967
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 2: Also, he talks about how he thinks nationalism, which is,

968
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 2: you know, anti libertarian.

969
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 7: He thinks that's like the direction to go in.

970
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 2: But so I'm not sure that I could say he's

971
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 2: been faithful to his libertarian values. But but what I

972
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 2: and whether or not it's his genuine hell view or

973
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 2: his business, you know, or his business alignment or whatever.

974
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 2: Are those two things sort of meshed away that he

975
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: couldn't possibly untangle them, which I think is most likely

976
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 2: the case. I can see why he would be concerned

977
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 2: about Christians looking at this tech, which is frightening on

978
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 2: any number of levels, which you know, Naomi Klein and

979
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 2: I brought this up many times, describes as anti creation

980
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 2: because you're basically sucking up the energy and water resources

981
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 2: and land resources in order to create this sort of

982
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 2: like robotic mirror world, like twisted mirror world, feeding into

983
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 2: it all of humanity's greatest works.

984
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 4: Right, operating on inertia and not human energy. Yes, and.

985
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 2: If you read these Silicon Valley AI guys who are

986
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 2: all about it, they are creating.

987
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 7: It is like its own religion.

988
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 2: I mean, it is complete with its own like redemption

989
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 2: arc and creation myths, and like they some of them

990
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 2: actively see themselves as creating a kind of a God

991
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 2: in a machine.

992
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 7: That's going to save us all.

993
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 2: So I could see I'm not a Christian, but I

994
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: could imagine some Christians look at that and being like,

995
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 2: I'm not so sure about that. That doesn't feel right

996
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 2: to me. In line with you know, my religious beliefs

997
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 2: and my teachings, and you know my belief in humanity,

998
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: et cetera. So there is very much a possibility in

999
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 2: this again touches some of the AI conversation we had

1000
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 2: in the first block. There really is a possibility of

1001
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 2: a sort of like pro human pro creation cross ideological

1002
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 2: alignment against this stuff, both because of what it's doing

1003
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 2: to our minds, what it's doing to our world, what

1004
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 2: it's doing to our futures. You know, what it's doing

1005
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 2: to our job market, those effects are already starting to

1006
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: be seen. What it's doing to consolidate wealth and power

1007
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 2: in the hands of a very few number of people,

1008
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 2: Peter Teal being among them. You can imagine you have

1009
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: a very unique coalition coming together that includes a lot

1010
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 2: of Christians to deeply oppose that. So in that vein

1011
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 2: just from a political perspective, as like a political operator,

1012
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 2: I understand why he's trying to make this pitch and

1013
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 2: make this appeal to this one particular community, and.

1014
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 3: The CIA basically invests Originally Impalanteer because Teal, as a

1015
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 3: civil libertarian, was pitching it as a way to surveil

1016
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 3: without infringing on civil liberties, Like that's what the pitch was,

1017
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 3: and that's where the CIA people don't know this has

1018
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 3: a venture capital fund.

1019
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 4: I don't even know. It sounds so crazy to say

1020
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 4: it's true.

1021
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 3: And that's where the Steed money or some of the

1022
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 3: earliest big injections of capital into Palenteer come from, because

1023
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 3: Teal was able to So that's where I think it's

1024
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 3: like been consistently inconsistent to your point, like can he

1025
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 3: even disentangle these things from each other, because.

1026
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 4: He's like fundamentally.

1027
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 3: Like he has this idea that he can make the

1028
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 3: deep state work with civil liberties, which is not true.

1029
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 4: I mean, it just it's just not true. I just

1030
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 4: don't buy it.

1031
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 2: Never have a lot of libertarians think if you just

1032
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 2: take it outside of government, then it's not oppressive.

1033
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. And of course a CIA investment. This

1034
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 3: is like saying Mela with his IMF like the libertarian experiment,

1035
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 3: like these two things are not compatible. It's it is

1036
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 3: a spoiled experiment. Your lab conditions are imperfect. But we've

1037
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 3: all seen examples of l l m's doing extremely dark

1038
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 3: having extremely dark consequences, saying extremely dark things, pushing other

1039
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 3: people to do extremely dark things.

1040
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 4: This is a huge question with Elon Musk.

1041
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 3: For example, how he is now using x Elon Musk,

1042
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 3: who is flirting with becoming a Christian at Charlie Kirks

1043
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 3: Memorial and all of this, creating bots that are hyper sexual.

1044
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 3: This is a man who's concerned about the birth rate

1045
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 3: and is giving more people incentives for more people to

1046
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 3: just be behind their computer screen and not get out

1047
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 3: there and actually have to you know, find.

1048
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, exactly kind.

1049
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 7: Of necessary ingredient for for creation at least to this point.

1050
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, So Teal is saying this is an obvious

1051
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 3: like there's this Christian revival happening. Is that going to

1052
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 3: push tolicon Valley because we have seen so many concerns

1053
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 3: from people who have been deeply involved in LM world,

1054
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 3: developing llm's Godfather of AI. How many times have you

1055
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 3: seen the headlines about people who have been deeply involved

1056
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 3: in the creation of LLMS saying this technology is going

1057
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 3: to destroy humanity, It could destroy civilization. It is literally

1058
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 3: demonic is another thing that people have said who are

1059
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 3: involved in this part. So he realizes that's a problem

1060
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 3: and it's like, okay, well, maybe we can work more

1061
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 3: on this catacon idea, the Schmidt idea, and maybe there's

1062
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 3: a case that opening up AI is what holds back

1063
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 3: the Antichrist And hard to say if it's sincere. I've

1064
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 3: listened to him do this for hours, so I think

1065
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 3: he actually is probably sincere. But whether he's sincere because

1066
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 3: he was trying to get from point A to point

1067
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 3: B or because it was just organic, like, oh, yes,

1068
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 3: this is the catacon is a different question.

1069
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 2: High IQ people can be very slippery because they can

1070
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 2: talk themselves into that exactly and really convince themselves of things.

1071
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 2: And so I don't really it doesn't really matter whether

1072
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 2: he's sincere or not, Like the impact is the same

1073
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 2: and it's.

1074
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 3: Not gonna work like it's not gonna work on like

1075
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 3: most Christians. I mean, this is the fundamental battle over

1076
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 3: jd Vance. If you listen to how Nick Flints, for example,

1077
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 3: talks about JD Vance. Yeah, there's this deep suspicion that

1078
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 3: he is an anti growth, anti creative, anti human. He

1079
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 3: is indebted to them in some ways because Peter Tiel

1080
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 3: was instrumental.

1081
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 7: In his career, just like racist and hates his Indian

1082
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 7: wife too.

1083
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 4: Nick one does.

1084
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, yes, of course. But like I'm saying that,

1085
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 3: speaking politically, the divide on the right now, it's even

1086
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 3: with Trump, he becomes fully pro crypto after being anti crypto.

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Speaker 3: Like this is the signature divide on the right and

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Speaker 3: Peter Teele is recognizing it before other people are.

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Speaker 4: It's anti human versus pro human.

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Speaker 7: Basically, where does Marjorie Taylor Green fit into that?

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Speaker 3: I'm sure she's anti Teale at this point. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: she would be.

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Speaker 4: Against all of this. Uh And I don't know, but

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Speaker 4: we should ask her. I'm on the show, Come on

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Speaker 4: the show. It's a very monxious let's go.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I wonder has she said? What has she said about crypto?

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Speaker 2: Is she a crypto?

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Speaker 4: She is very worried about crypto.

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Speaker 3: She actually was against the crypto bills because of them

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Speaker 3: creating a the ones that are over the summer, because

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Speaker 3: of them them creating a digital currency.

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Speaker 4: Which is a good reason to be frightened about crypto.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, All right, Well I learned a lot from that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for breaking all of that down for me,

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