WEBVTT - Conversations Where Everyone Attacks Glasses 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:04.360 What's up and welcome back to another episode of No 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.400 Sealer's podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:15.880 low classes Malone. So if you don't think at a 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:20.320 place jobs that, like, so you feel like there's black 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:24.680 culture and then there's because Okay, my thought is there's 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:28.760 no black community, so there can't be black coaching. Black 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:34.639 community is a very lazy way of justifying Black America. Right, 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:40.320 But Black America has always been like there are things 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:44.159 that are somewhat like amongst some or even a decent amount, 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.880 but there's always been unique because it's based off land, right, 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:53.120 how else do we? So I think it's always been 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:56.040 a lazy thing to reference it as black culture. Now, 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.160 I'm not I'm not gonna argue against soul food being 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.880 black coach, though, Oh there's a nice population of black 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:05.360 people that never got into soul food, right because every 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:08.280 black person in this country wasn't slaves, blah blah. Moving 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:12.399 past that. But that's why I've never really got into 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:16.560 that idea because it's it's it's different, you know what 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:19.360 I mean. It's like, it's a very broad idea for 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:23.959 a huge spectrum of people. Like there's no white coaches, right, 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:25.880 there's no you know what I mean, It's just not 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:29.319 just different now. There are things like people like me 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:32.160 and you share in common because we both came up 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:36.720 in places that probably were disenfranchised, you know what I mean. 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:38.400 I don't know what Detroit was like by the time 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:40.920 you came up. I would imagine that the warehouses were 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:43.880 pretty much, you know, on their way out if they 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:49.560 wasn't gone all the way. And the appeal of crime, right, 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.080 which is the streets. When people say street nigga, they 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:55.640 saying a criminal somebody who does street crimes. Right, It's 0:01:55.760 --> 0:02:02.040 like there is a connection that that we can both understand. 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:04.640 But it was like when I was telling Pete, Me 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.600 and Pete got into this really big debate about the 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:09.520 sound of the West Coast, and I'm like, I think 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:12.840 it's a way that people want to frame or box 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:16.800 something so they could recognize it versus understanding what's really happening, 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:18.959 you know what I'm saying. And it's the same thing 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:21.600 even when we're talking about black culture. It's framed in 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:25.960 a way, for lack of better words, white America to 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:29.720 understand what's happening. But it's also the problem is as 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:33.280 white America understands it. Then they start telling Black America 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.480 what's happening, and that becomes the problem because as a 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.200 black man in America or even Pete, Pete should be 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:41.320 able to call Glass and black glasses what's up on this, 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:45.040 specifically about this that I heard, and he can get 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:48.560 like cleared up, you know, he can get the gray. 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.600 He doesn't need the news version of what's happening to 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:55.160 some people that he can call on the phone. If 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:55.880 that makes sense. 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:00.680 Yeah, I mean, I get what you're saying. But I 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:07.600 think Pete, oddly and respectfully probably has a more practical 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.079 way to look at it because he's been able to 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.480 to kind of go in and out of both worlds. 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.240 I don't think that white culture is as dominant as 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.440 Black culture, but there's definitely white culture. 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:25.560 What's white culture? White supremacy, it's not white culture that 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:27.320 is it is. 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:29.160 I don't think it's culture, it's not. 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:34.000 It's absolutely a culture. Like a white person seeing something 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:39.200 happening extremely and not all white people, but a great 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:42.680 majority of white people will watch something like this, this 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:45.640 whole Trump ship. They are mad that Trump is is 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:48.240 fucking over people. They're mad that Trump is fucking over people. 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:49.960 They know, but. 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:51.760 That's normal, and I don't. 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:55.400 That's not what the heart of the Trump support apparatus 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:56.120 is centered around. 0:03:57.040 --> 0:04:02.280 Okay, and like me, it's it's more are so a 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:03.200 group of people. 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.920 But the way I perceive the political spectrum in the 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:12.680 most practical terms is on one side of the spectrum 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:16.440 is more government interventionist is a good thing. 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.480 The other is that it is a bad thing. 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:22.560 So that's why people look at this dose stuff or 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.480 like rilet like just like totally enthralled with the dough 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:30.120 because it's like basically pulling receipts on the amount of 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:35.800 money that's going into non productive economically speaking, government ventures. 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:40.000 And people are like the power apparatus has become so 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:46.120 entrenched and disenfranchised from the public's ability to manage and 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:53.839 mold it that it needs to be completely restructured. It's 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.800 not necessarily like so, and so people have been that 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.600 that group of people has been very sick and tired 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:06.240 of a like a much steeper curve of recent like 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:12.080 last forty fifty years, like the expansion of the portion 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.080 of the government and its roles and its regulatory authority 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:17.760 beyond where you can vote people in or out, even 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:18.320 if you wanted. 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:20.640 There's more. 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:22.320 That's mostly what it's about. 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:23.360 Mm hmm. 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:28.640 I think to simplify, it's poor white people thinking that 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.200 the black people and Hispanic people are the reason they're 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:32.960 poor white people. 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.440 But that but that's not a standard that all white 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:39.679 people feel and it's not the culture of white people 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:40.400 to feel that way. 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:46.479 Is that they when they started this country, the elites 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:50.240 told poor white people. They didn't come out and say it, 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:56.400 but they showed it to them. You're too stupid to vote. 0:05:55.640 --> 0:06:00.760 From the beginning, they brought in another culture to make 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.400 them subservient to white people, so that those poor white 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:07.440 people would feel like they were better than somebody change. 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:12.320 The first group was poor white people. Yes, we first 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:14.640 group of people they brought in was other poor white people. 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:17.680 Necessary like the gangs of New York. 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:19.960 The gangs in New York talk about that all the time, 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:23.120 Like look, look, I don't want to try to debunk 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:25.159 white supremacy. I just don't want to make that a 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:28.480 part of white culture because that's not it's not a 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:29.360 cultural thing. 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:34.680 Like what's interesting is on the baseline, I agree with 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:46.320 jobs the idea that there is a black culture, but 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:50.640 I don't know, necessarily that in this sense, it's almost 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.560 like the way we would construct our definition of culture 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:55.919 is different, but the way we would identify it and 0:06:56.000 --> 0:07:00.000 its pervasiveness is aligned, if that makes any kind of sense. 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:04.240 Like if you go to almost any black city or 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:07.640 any black district of a city in the country, you're 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.960 still gonna largely see, like add its root. I always say, 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:11.640 like I mean to me. 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:13.880 It's really in its cultural root. 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:17.560 It really comes out of the church, and you're still 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:19.880 going to see, whether it's an ame or a Baptist 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:23.520 church or this or that, a very similar type of worship, 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.440 and that drives a lot of what happens in the house, 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:32.120 and then therefore out from there. It's not like you 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:36.320 have people who white Poles are Catholic, or white British 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:39.440 people are Protestant or German or whatever. Like, that's so 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:46.040 much more fragmented, just simply like matter of religious practice, 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.680 which is a very over the course of generations and 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:51.600 generation generation generations, that's much more constant. So that does 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:53.560 have a very big impact on the way that a 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.880 lot of other cultural aspects happen within communities and people. 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:06.280 No Selling gl in the House episode fifty one of 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:10.920 the season fourth season. I got my brother Peter Boss 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:14.360 in the house again. We're supposed to do four conversations 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:16.680 with my man Jobs, but Jobs is a working man, 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:18.800 so we don't really get him, but we're blessed to 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:23.480 have him now intellectually petty radio, make sure y'all subscribe 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:25.760 to that. So some love to somebody that will really 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:29.120 be thinking much more than. 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:30.240 He. 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:36.920 Both both right, both. He definitely will be petty about thought, 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:41.440 but he will think and and he's not above There's 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.160 very few things I've noticed with Jobs that he's above 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.440 thinking deeper into. So and that's important because a lot 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:49.360 of people will stop you at the door, like, no, 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.000 we're not even gonna open that door. So there's very 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:55.120 few things that Jobs will not open the door on, 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:00.800 even if you built it. Let's say, if that's true, right, 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:02.800 because I think at that point we're talking about how 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:06.160 black people in this country worship, and it's like minded. 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:12.800 That's still a very much it's a lot more poor 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.760 in that than you could imagine. Like the church that 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:18.920 Magic Johnson goes to on Crenshaw, you know, the one 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:22.080 I'm talking about, the big one. It's not quite like 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:26.080 the churches that we're talking about it's a little different. 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:27.880 Not really. 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:32.680 I don't think it's as different as is it seems 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:33.800 from the outside of the building. 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:36.480 I mean going to the church, like when I went 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:39.240 to the church a couple of times, it's a little different. 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:41.080 Just a little. 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.360 Talk about West Angeles, right, Yeah. 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.160 It's a little different than going to the church in 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.000 Guardena that all the brothers go to. That's big. I 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.040 went to that church once or twice two. I forget 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.240 the names of the church. It's a popular church, though, but. 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:58.360 The style and tone of worship. If you were to 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:02.960 like go to the ten o'clock in the morning at one, 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:04.120 the noon at the other. 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:08.920 And then go to like late afternoon a Catholic church, 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.040 you'll be like those first two are very similar. 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:16.000 But I think religion is one aspect of culture, right, 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.800 And I give what you're saying the style of practice, 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.520 but then once you come out, it's still a like 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:27.720 even everybody that goes to that church, Like, I agree 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:31.160 with you right that I'm a huge advocate of the 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.560 legal system. Church or the streets create morality for most 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:38.600 humans a standard as far as a cultural thing, but 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:44.320 particularly those type of places they don't always establish I 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.559 think morality like they were talking about in that particular conversation. 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:51.400 Shout out to the homies of eighthd Onmi Trap, y'all 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.480 know Trap Trap is dope. And they were talking about 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:58.760 how it's hip hop a bad influence. And I've always 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:02.600 said one million, just like gang banging, hip hop or 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:06.480 gang banging is what you make it. Like if you're again, 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:09.480 if you're a legal beagle, I totally understand gang banging 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:11.440 is going to be the scum of the earth to you. 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:13.280 But again, if you're a black man and you're a 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:15.600 legal bagle, you're probably a joke in the first place, 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:20.320 right because the history of this country has shown that 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:22.200 laws have not been on our side and they're not 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:22.920 gonna be today. 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:24.079 Right. 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:27.480 So I always say, as a black man, your goal 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:29.079 is not to obey the law. Your goal is to 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:32.200 stay out of jail. And white people understand it's better 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.439 than everybody. The wealthiest white people are trying to stay 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:38.000 out of jail. They're not trying to avoid breaking the law. 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:41.240 They will break the law. That's the standard. To get ahead, right, 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:46.120 it's going you have to bend some moves. But again, 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:50.760 it's like we try to justify in general, excuse me, 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:54.600 not just for but generalize something that's real, nuanced, And 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:58.679 so the conversation never picks up ground, like it could 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:02.320 never pick up ground, right, It's hard to pick up 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:06.959 ground when you start blaming the representation of the art. 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:12.079 The art represents what's happening, right, it's not actually causing 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:16.040 things to happen, Like it's like saying, I guess the 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.400 equivalent would be to if, like if the world was 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.079 sick and everybody was sneezing, instead of trying to cure 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:26.080 the illness, everybody just keep saying, cover your mouth. And 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:29.480 I think that that's kind of been the tone of 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:33.440 what people feel about these two street urban cultures, specifically 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.960 in hip hop and game man cover your mouth, and 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:38.400 it's like, well, no, I'm sick, and this is a 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:44.120 way to relieve, right, the pressure, the signs pressure of 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:48.720 whatever this virus has backing up. So instead of us 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:52.480 looking at those opportunities as a moment to help humanity, 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:55.080 we tend to want to make people deal with it 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.439 they self and go suffer alone. So here we are 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:05.800 into these conversations where we like, is uh, you know, 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:10.240 it's like people make they feel like you have to 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.880 be in a gang versus you're just in it. You're 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:16.240 just in like you're just from a community. Then it 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:18.760 determines are you gonna break the law? That's a lot 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:25.200 closer to rooted in poverty. That's that's like necessity creates 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:27.320 that need, you know what I'm saying. And again it 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:32.640 sounds crazy because there's a ton of other opportunities. It's 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:37.600 a million things that we can actually blame it on 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:43.079 or or make as of why people break the law. 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:46.760 But again, it's not unique specifically peak to black culture. 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:49.360 That's my point. Even if jobs, let's say we use jobs, 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:53.280 concept of black culture breaking the law is not unique 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:58.000 to black culture. It's pretty much consistent throughout all poor 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.280 four sectors of this country. If you go to a 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.160 rural go ahead, what. 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.480 The hell are we talking about? We went from talking 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:10.880 about is there black culture that isn't there? To now 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:12.200 is there hip hop culture? 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:12.600 Is rap? 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.400 An influencer is influence, there is the product of influence, 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:17.240 to now poverty and crime? 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:21.960 What this started off? It's not like a linear conversation, Peter. 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:25.120 It started off simple, Like my thought is what we 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:27.240 say as black culture is a little bit more nuanced. 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:31.560 I don't really believe in that concept. But I'm not 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:35.320 mad if people identify things that a decent sector of 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:38.480 Black America does as black culture, even though all black 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:39.240 people don't do that. 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:40.960 I think the truth with all of this, like the 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:44.360 underlying principle with this conversation West host hip hop sound 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:46.680 conversation against rap conversation. 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:51.040 Game bang conversation or whatever, it is just where not where. 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.320 You can draw the line a different point between defining 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:59.920 the the what is it the exception by the rule, 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:01.880 the role of the exception. You're getting caught up in 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:04.720 nuanced in particulars versus. 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:08.360 Because nuance is everything Pete. If again, this goes into 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:11.960 you trying to understand something versus me having an understanding 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:15.240 of it. And I don't mean that particularly you, but 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.120 let's say mainstream Americans. 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:18.680 A completely different context. 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.600 But it's only one. There's the facts, and then there 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.360 is how people can assume the facts or what they 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:26.760 think of the truth, right, and then how they feel 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.800 about it, how they can consume it. I actually know 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:33.280 the true ingredients, right. It's like back to the same 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:36.600 West Coast sound conversation what people like I talked to 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:40.040 Hutch about it this morning and it's like that's their thing. 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.720 They like funk. So when people say, hey, funk is 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:46.080 a sound of West Coast, it's not true. It's just 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:49.120 a fact, right, it doesn't belong to the West Coast. 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.520 It's not solely identifiable to the West Coast. 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:54.240 It's none of the West Coast hip hop, and to 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:56.840 a much greater degree than it is of other regions 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:58.360 of hip hop in that context. 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.760 But you're saying, because it's used more, don't make it 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:02.440 exclusive again. 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.840 Exclusive, it's the hallmarks the point. 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.720 But it's not if you want to be when you 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:11.640 talk about funk. 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.160 That's my point. Defining the exception by the rule. 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.880 It's not defining the exception by the rules. You saying 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:19.200 what you know versus what I actually know? 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:21.320 What you know? 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:23.560 I can tell you half of the music is not this, 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.720 and you would say the exception. It's more than half. 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:31.480 There are certain beats, certain sounds that if most people 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:37.200 hear it, they would associate that with the West Coast. 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:39.400 You would associate it is it's my. 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:41.360 Micone Because y'all keep cutting me off, I was thinking, 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:48.240 maybe y'all can hear me. But but what I was 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:49.960 saying was this, right, what I was going to say, 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:53.720 is this when you talk about stuff like funk. Yeah, 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.840 it's identified by the West Coast, but actually the East 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:58.480 Coast utilize E p MD. 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.000 That what you say, you gotta trust all. You gotta 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:02.360 listen to it a little bit more so you don't 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:05.280 say exactly what Pete is going to say. Just listen 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:09.400 a little bit, I know, just just listen a little long. 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.200 Give give about a good thirty seconds, big bro shout 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.439 out the big brother stay jumped there. Look, if I 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:19.720 play you the G Thing instrumental jobs, you can't say 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:24.600 it's West Coast. It's just lazy and it's ridiculous they 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:30.439 make it West Coast. Therefore, the sound of the music 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:33.960 cannot be If I play you the G Thing, it 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:37.920 sounds like the Leon Haywoods on nothing about It sounds 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:42.000 West Coast. Again, hip hop, I'm gonna say this for 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:47.160 the one million times. Hip hop is street urban culture 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:52.679 built on black music, right on black music. That's what 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:56.320 the hip hop records are. So again, when you say 0:17:57.000 --> 0:18:01.080 Leon Haywood or Doctor Dre's G Thing instrumental sounds West Coast, 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:03.520 that's not a fact. 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.280 Like let me RT sounds completely West Coast. 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:11.000 No, it doesn't like there. 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:14.040 Is just certain there's certain tempos, there's certain sounds that 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.920 you would associate with with the East Coast, and. 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:21.399 You're and you're viewing time as a as frozen and 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:26.520 not as evolutionary. There is a consolidation of sound that 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.320 has happened over the course of time in that area. 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:29.920 It is. 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:34.920 You can't re classify something because you learn about it 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:39.040 within the spectrum, like in the time period Pete. Just 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:41.800 because you you can't say, hey, this is doctor Dre 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:44.680 made this melody because you just learned about the melody 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:45.880 when doctor Dre made it. 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.439 That's not what I'm suggesting. I'm saying if you step 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:52.360 back and look at West Coast hip hop hits over years, 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:57.879 you can see a stylistic consult. They don't all sound identical, 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:03.720 but you see a pulling together over time of that sound. 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:07.760 And there's a reason that doctor Dre is considered a genius. 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:10.399 Like for every region or every area that may have 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:15.199 a sound associated with it, you're gonna have producers or 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:19.399 artists who are so much better than their contemporaries in 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:25.600 their particular region that they expand the sound. They'll have 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:29.800 principles of their reagion sound like they could listen to 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:33.600 the Hot Boys. You know, you can hear New Orleans 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:42.320 in there, but they wouldn't. They're necessarily uh like if 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:45.040 you go to like really deep bounce music in Orleist. 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:49.639 You know what, man, this is like the most pete 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:52.639 you know, it's funny. That's very frustrating conversations I've ever had. 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:54.680 In my mind, this is one of the most frustrating 0:19:54.680 --> 0:20:02.560 conversations because it's really simple, really simple. There's no sounds 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:07.280 that are West Coast. It's none that that's when you learned. 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:10.240 You digested them, and you figured out that they were 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:14.119 something you heard from somebody putting street urban culture on 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:17.360 top of black music. Then you started to define that 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:20.960 the first time you recognize it as something that sounds 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:25.800 West Coast, but it's not the sound. 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:31.600 But it created a feedback loop that reverberated within itself, 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:35.920 that validated that. Like just from a simple philosophy of 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:39.719 truth standpoint, the fact that we're having a conversation about 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:43.080 whether or not hip hop has suffered in the West 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:49.359 Coast by people trying to superficially manufacture a West Coast 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:51.680 sound validates the idea that there's a West Coast. 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:53.960 Sound, just from a basic truth standpoint. 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:56.679 Again, Nigga going in the studio right now telling the 0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:59.080 producer out on the West Coast beat. 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:03.199 But that's ignorant. Does not getting you right to stand 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:07.720 on some level of fact ignorance just because you're ignorant, 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:10.280 and this is the best. It's like gang banging. It's 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:12.280 like when I first start talking to you. There's a 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:15.280 million things you're ignorant when it comes to gang banging 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:19.840 about because you're ignorant and white people taught you about 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:24.159 brothers in la or maybe some loose ideas, and I 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.680 can give you a fact you don't have to live 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:30.600 in truth. Truth is the depth of how much you 0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:33.159 know something and you feel like you can prove it. 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:36.440 Fact is actually the art to fact. It's actually the 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:42.800 hardcore reality of the conversation, right, the hard core reality 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:46.679 conversation is maybe the first time a lot of a 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:50.160 generation have heard a Moove League in the beat, right, 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:55.080 it's g thing a move league. We did not the 0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:59.480 West Coast did not create that. We didn't create the melody, 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:03.280 didn't create the sound. We ain't even use the sound first. 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:07.400 We ain't even necessarily popularize the sound until you come 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:10.800 to another generation of people that don't make it a 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:15.480 fact you learned from me. I could be the first 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:17.560 person that showed you how to ride a bike. I 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:19.120 did not invent riding the bike. 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:24.640 So when you hear boom boom, sure that that don't 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:25.920 remind you of West Coast stuff. 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:31.240 No, that's not West Coast No, which is what I 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:34.359 was saying to Hut from Above, the law who coined 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:37.520 the term g funk this morning. I was like, it's 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:40.400 funny to everybody today that gets in hip hop, They're 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:43.879 like they're trying to emulate a specific producer, and then 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:46.480 they're saying it's a West Coast sound. The funny part 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:50.840 is out of Doctor Dre's illustrious history of making hip hop. 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:54.920 That is probably the smallest part of his career when 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:58.000 people would like to define his music in funk. It's 0:22:58.040 --> 0:23:03.160 probably the smallest. He had the n w A era 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:07.000 before that, right, the roofless era with with with lines 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:09.400 on them for roughly ten years when he wasn't even 0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:12.199 touching funk to no reil degree. Then you had the 0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:15.200 era after death Row right where he's not touching funk 0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:18.400 to any real degree, yet you classify him by when 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:21.440 you discovered doctor fucking Drew. 0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:27.040 Arguing doctor Dre is a break guy. He's utilized more 0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:30.280