Speaker 1: What's up and welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 1: Sealer's podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your
Speaker 1: low classes Malone. So if you don't think at a
Speaker 1: place jobs that, like, so you feel like there's black
Speaker 1: culture and then there's because Okay, my thought is there's
Speaker 1: no black community, so there can't be black coaching. Black
Speaker 1: community is a very lazy way of justifying Black America. Right,
Speaker 1: But Black America has always been like there are things
Speaker 1: that are somewhat like amongst some or even a decent amount,
Speaker 1: but there's always been unique because it's based off land, right,
Speaker 1: how else do we? So I think it's always been
Speaker 1: a lazy thing to reference it as black culture. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not gonna argue against soul food being
Speaker 1: black coach, though, Oh there's a nice population of black
Speaker 1: people that never got into soul food, right because every
Speaker 1: black person in this country wasn't slaves, blah blah. Moving
Speaker 1: past that. But that's why I've never really got into
Speaker 1: that idea because it's it's it's different, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like, it's a very broad idea for
Speaker 1: a huge spectrum of people. Like there's no white coaches, right,
Speaker 1: there's no you know what I mean, It's just not
Speaker 1: just different now. There are things like people like me
Speaker 1: and you share in common because we both came up
Speaker 1: in places that probably were disenfranchised, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't know what Detroit was like by the time
Speaker 1: you came up. I would imagine that the warehouses were
Speaker 1: pretty much, you know, on their way out if they
Speaker 1: wasn't gone all the way. And the appeal of crime, right,
Speaker 1: which is the streets. When people say street nigga, they
Speaker 1: saying a criminal somebody who does street crimes. Right, It's
Speaker 1: like there is a connection that that we can both understand.
Speaker 1: But it was like when I was telling Pete, Me
Speaker 1: and Pete got into this really big debate about the
Speaker 1: sound of the West Coast, and I'm like, I think
Speaker 1: it's a way that people want to frame or box
Speaker 1: something so they could recognize it versus understanding what's really happening,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And it's the same thing
Speaker 1: even when we're talking about black culture. It's framed in
Speaker 1: a way, for lack of better words, white America to
Speaker 1: understand what's happening. But it's also the problem is as
Speaker 1: white America understands it. Then they start telling Black America
Speaker 1: what's happening, and that becomes the problem because as a
Speaker 1: black man in America or even Pete, Pete should be
Speaker 1: able to call Glass and black glasses what's up on this,
Speaker 1: specifically about this that I heard, and he can get
Speaker 1: like cleared up, you know, he can get the gray.
Speaker 1: He doesn't need the news version of what's happening to
Speaker 1: some people that he can call on the phone. If
Speaker 1: that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I get what you're saying. But I
Speaker 2: think Pete, oddly and respectfully probably has a more practical
Speaker 2: way to look at it because he's been able to
Speaker 2: to kind of go in and out of both worlds.
Speaker 2: I don't think that white culture is as dominant as
Speaker 2: Black culture, but there's definitely white culture.
Speaker 1: What's white culture? White supremacy, it's not white culture that
Speaker 1: is it is.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's culture, it's not.
Speaker 2: It's absolutely a culture. Like a white person seeing something
Speaker 2: happening extremely and not all white people, but a great
Speaker 2: majority of white people will watch something like this, this
Speaker 2: whole Trump ship. They are mad that Trump is is
Speaker 2: fucking over people. They're mad that Trump is fucking over people.
Speaker 2: They know, but.
Speaker 1: That's normal, and I don't.
Speaker 4: That's not what the heart of the Trump support apparatus
Speaker 4: is centered around.
Speaker 3: Okay, and like me, it's it's more are so a
Speaker 3: group of people.
Speaker 4: But the way I perceive the political spectrum in the
Speaker 4: most practical terms is on one side of the spectrum
Speaker 4: is more government interventionist is a good thing.
Speaker 3: The other is that it is a bad thing.
Speaker 4: So that's why people look at this dose stuff or
Speaker 4: like rilet like just like totally enthralled with the dough
Speaker 4: because it's like basically pulling receipts on the amount of
Speaker 4: money that's going into non productive economically speaking, government ventures.
Speaker 4: And people are like the power apparatus has become so
Speaker 4: entrenched and disenfranchised from the public's ability to manage and
Speaker 4: mold it that it needs to be completely restructured. It's
Speaker 4: not necessarily like so, and so people have been that
Speaker 4: that group of people has been very sick and tired
Speaker 4: of a like a much steeper curve of recent like
Speaker 4: last forty fifty years, like the expansion of the portion
Speaker 4: of the government and its roles and its regulatory authority
Speaker 4: beyond where you can vote people in or out, even
Speaker 4: if you wanted.
Speaker 1: There's more.
Speaker 3: That's mostly what it's about.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I think to simplify, it's poor white people thinking that
Speaker 2: the black people and Hispanic people are the reason they're
Speaker 2: poor white people.
Speaker 1: But that but that's not a standard that all white
Speaker 1: people feel and it's not the culture of white people
Speaker 1: to feel that way.
Speaker 2: Is that they when they started this country, the elites
Speaker 2: told poor white people. They didn't come out and say it,
Speaker 2: but they showed it to them. You're too stupid to vote.
Speaker 2: From the beginning, they brought in another culture to make
Speaker 2: them subservient to white people, so that those poor white
Speaker 2: people would feel like they were better than somebody change.
Speaker 1: The first group was poor white people. Yes, we first
Speaker 1: group of people they brought in was other poor white people.
Speaker 2: Necessary like the gangs of New York.
Speaker 1: The gangs in New York talk about that all the time,
Speaker 1: Like look, look, I don't want to try to debunk
Speaker 1: white supremacy. I just don't want to make that a
Speaker 1: part of white culture because that's not it's not a
Speaker 1: cultural thing.
Speaker 4: Like what's interesting is on the baseline, I agree with
Speaker 4: jobs the idea that there is a black culture, but
Speaker 4: I don't know, necessarily that in this sense, it's almost
Speaker 4: like the way we would construct our definition of culture
Speaker 4: is different, but the way we would identify it and
Speaker 4: its pervasiveness is aligned, if that makes any kind of sense.
Speaker 4: Like if you go to almost any black city or
Speaker 4: any black district of a city in the country, you're
Speaker 4: still gonna largely see, like add its root. I always say,
Speaker 4: like I mean to me.
Speaker 3: It's really in its cultural root.
Speaker 4: It really comes out of the church, and you're still
Speaker 4: going to see, whether it's an ame or a Baptist
Speaker 4: church or this or that, a very similar type of worship,
Speaker 4: and that drives a lot of what happens in the house,
Speaker 4: and then therefore out from there. It's not like you
Speaker 4: have people who white Poles are Catholic, or white British
Speaker 4: people are Protestant or German or whatever. Like, that's so
Speaker 4: much more fragmented, just simply like matter of religious practice,
Speaker 4: which is a very over the course of generations and
Speaker 4: generation generation generations, that's much more constant. So that does
Speaker 4: have a very big impact on the way that a
Speaker 4: lot of other cultural aspects happen within communities and people.
Speaker 1: No Selling gl in the House episode fifty one of
Speaker 1: the season fourth season. I got my brother Peter Boss
Speaker 1: in the house again. We're supposed to do four conversations
Speaker 1: with my man Jobs, but Jobs is a working man,
Speaker 1: so we don't really get him, but we're blessed to
Speaker 1: have him now intellectually petty radio, make sure y'all subscribe
Speaker 1: to that. So some love to somebody that will really
Speaker 1: be thinking much more than.
Speaker 5: He.
Speaker 1: Both both right, both. He definitely will be petty about thought,
Speaker 1: but he will think and and he's not above There's
Speaker 1: very few things I've noticed with Jobs that he's above
Speaker 1: thinking deeper into. So and that's important because a lot
Speaker 1: of people will stop you at the door, like, no,
Speaker 1: we're not even gonna open that door. So there's very
Speaker 1: few things that Jobs will not open the door on,
Speaker 1: even if you built it. Let's say, if that's true, right,
Speaker 1: because I think at that point we're talking about how
Speaker 1: black people in this country worship, and it's like minded.
Speaker 1: That's still a very much it's a lot more poor
Speaker 1: in that than you could imagine. Like the church that
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson goes to on Crenshaw, you know, the one
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, the big one. It's not quite like
Speaker 1: the churches that we're talking about it's a little different.
Speaker 3: Not really.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's as different as is it seems
Speaker 4: from the outside of the building.
Speaker 1: I mean going to the church, like when I went
Speaker 1: to the church a couple of times, it's a little different.
Speaker 1: Just a little.
Speaker 3: Talk about West Angeles, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's a little different than going to the church in
Speaker 1: Guardena that all the brothers go to. That's big. I
Speaker 1: went to that church once or twice two. I forget
Speaker 1: the names of the church. It's a popular church, though, but.
Speaker 4: The style and tone of worship. If you were to
Speaker 4: like go to the ten o'clock in the morning at one,
Speaker 4: the noon at the other.
Speaker 3: And then go to like late afternoon a Catholic church,
Speaker 3: you'll be like those first two are very similar.
Speaker 1: But I think religion is one aspect of culture, right,
Speaker 1: And I give what you're saying the style of practice,
Speaker 1: but then once you come out, it's still a like
Speaker 1: even everybody that goes to that church, Like, I agree
Speaker 1: with you right that I'm a huge advocate of the
Speaker 1: legal system. Church or the streets create morality for most
Speaker 1: humans a standard as far as a cultural thing, but
Speaker 1: particularly those type of places they don't always establish I
Speaker 1: think morality like they were talking about in that particular conversation.
Speaker 1: Shout out to the homies of eighthd Onmi Trap, y'all
Speaker 1: know Trap Trap is dope. And they were talking about
Speaker 1: how it's hip hop a bad influence. And I've always
Speaker 1: said one million, just like gang banging, hip hop or
Speaker 1: gang banging is what you make it. Like if you're again,
Speaker 1: if you're a legal beagle, I totally understand gang banging
Speaker 1: is going to be the scum of the earth to you.
Speaker 1: But again, if you're a black man and you're a
Speaker 1: legal bagle, you're probably a joke in the first place,
Speaker 1: right because the history of this country has shown that
Speaker 1: laws have not been on our side and they're not
Speaker 1: gonna be today.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: So I always say, as a black man, your goal
Speaker 1: is not to obey the law. Your goal is to
Speaker 1: stay out of jail. And white people understand it's better
Speaker 1: than everybody. The wealthiest white people are trying to stay
Speaker 1: out of jail. They're not trying to avoid breaking the law.
Speaker 1: They will break the law. That's the standard. To get ahead, right,
Speaker 1: it's going you have to bend some moves. But again,
Speaker 1: it's like we try to justify in general, excuse me,
Speaker 1: not just for but generalize something that's real, nuanced, And
Speaker 1: so the conversation never picks up ground, like it could
Speaker 1: never pick up ground, right, It's hard to pick up
Speaker 1: ground when you start blaming the representation of the art.
Speaker 1: The art represents what's happening, right, it's not actually causing
Speaker 1: things to happen, Like it's like saying, I guess the
Speaker 1: equivalent would be to if, like if the world was
Speaker 1: sick and everybody was sneezing, instead of trying to cure
Speaker 1: the illness, everybody just keep saying, cover your mouth. And
Speaker 1: I think that that's kind of been the tone of
Speaker 1: what people feel about these two street urban cultures, specifically
Speaker 1: in hip hop and game man cover your mouth, and
Speaker 1: it's like, well, no, I'm sick, and this is a
Speaker 1: way to relieve, right, the pressure, the signs pressure of
Speaker 1: whatever this virus has backing up. So instead of us
Speaker 1: looking at those opportunities as a moment to help humanity,
Speaker 1: we tend to want to make people deal with it
Speaker 1: they self and go suffer alone. So here we are
Speaker 1: into these conversations where we like, is uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like people make they feel like you have to
Speaker 1: be in a gang versus you're just in it. You're
Speaker 1: just in like you're just from a community. Then it
Speaker 1: determines are you gonna break the law? That's a lot
Speaker 1: closer to rooted in poverty. That's that's like necessity creates
Speaker 1: that need, you know what I'm saying. And again it
Speaker 1: sounds crazy because there's a ton of other opportunities. It's
Speaker 1: a million things that we can actually blame it on
Speaker 1: or or make as of why people break the law.
Speaker 1: But again, it's not unique specifically peak to black culture.
Speaker 1: That's my point. Even if jobs, let's say we use jobs,
Speaker 1: concept of black culture breaking the law is not unique
Speaker 1: to black culture. It's pretty much consistent throughout all poor
Speaker 1: four sectors of this country. If you go to a
Speaker 1: rural go ahead, what.
Speaker 4: The hell are we talking about? We went from talking
Speaker 4: about is there black culture that isn't there? To now
Speaker 4: is there hip hop culture?
Speaker 3: Is rap?
Speaker 4: An influencer is influence, there is the product of influence,
Speaker 4: to now poverty and crime?
Speaker 1: What this started off? It's not like a linear conversation, Peter.
Speaker 1: It started off simple, Like my thought is what we
Speaker 1: say as black culture is a little bit more nuanced.
Speaker 1: I don't really believe in that concept. But I'm not
Speaker 1: mad if people identify things that a decent sector of
Speaker 1: Black America does as black culture, even though all black
Speaker 1: people don't do that.
Speaker 4: I think the truth with all of this, like the
Speaker 4: underlying principle with this conversation West host hip hop sound
Speaker 4: conversation against rap conversation.
Speaker 3: Game bang conversation or whatever, it is just where not where.
Speaker 4: You can draw the line a different point between defining
Speaker 4: the the what is it the exception by the rule,
Speaker 4: the role of the exception. You're getting caught up in
Speaker 4: nuanced in particulars versus.
Speaker 1: Because nuance is everything Pete. If again, this goes into
Speaker 1: you trying to understand something versus me having an understanding
Speaker 1: of it. And I don't mean that particularly you, but
Speaker 1: let's say mainstream Americans.
Speaker 3: A completely different context.
Speaker 1: But it's only one. There's the facts, and then there
Speaker 1: is how people can assume the facts or what they
Speaker 1: think of the truth, right, and then how they feel
Speaker 1: about it, how they can consume it. I actually know
Speaker 1: the true ingredients, right. It's like back to the same
Speaker 1: West Coast sound conversation what people like I talked to
Speaker 1: Hutch about it this morning and it's like that's their thing.
Speaker 1: They like funk. So when people say, hey, funk is
Speaker 1: a sound of West Coast, it's not true. It's just
Speaker 1: a fact, right, it doesn't belong to the West Coast.
Speaker 1: It's not solely identifiable to the West Coast.
Speaker 4: It's none of the West Coast hip hop, and to
Speaker 4: a much greater degree than it is of other regions
Speaker 4: of hip hop in that context.
Speaker 1: But you're saying, because it's used more, don't make it
Speaker 1: exclusive again.
Speaker 3: Exclusive, it's the hallmarks the point.
Speaker 5: But it's not if you want to be when you
Speaker 5: talk about funk.
Speaker 3: That's my point. Defining the exception by the rule.
Speaker 1: It's not defining the exception by the rules. You saying
Speaker 1: what you know versus what I actually know?
Speaker 3: What you know?
Speaker 1: I can tell you half of the music is not this,
Speaker 1: and you would say the exception. It's more than half.
Speaker 2: There are certain beats, certain sounds that if most people
Speaker 2: hear it, they would associate that with the West Coast.
Speaker 2: You would associate it is it's my.
Speaker 5: Micone Because y'all keep cutting me off, I was thinking,
Speaker 5: maybe y'all can hear me. But but what I was
Speaker 5: saying was this, right, what I was going to say,
Speaker 5: is this when you talk about stuff like funk. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's identified by the West Coast, but actually the East
Speaker 5: Coast utilize E p MD.
Speaker 1: That what you say, you gotta trust all. You gotta
Speaker 1: listen to it a little bit more so you don't
Speaker 1: say exactly what Pete is going to say. Just listen
Speaker 1: a little bit, I know, just just listen a little long.
Speaker 1: Give give about a good thirty seconds, big bro shout
Speaker 1: out the big brother stay jumped there. Look, if I
Speaker 1: play you the G Thing instrumental jobs, you can't say
Speaker 1: it's West Coast. It's just lazy and it's ridiculous they
Speaker 1: make it West Coast. Therefore, the sound of the music
Speaker 1: cannot be If I play you the G Thing, it
Speaker 1: sounds like the Leon Haywoods on nothing about It sounds
Speaker 1: West Coast. Again, hip hop, I'm gonna say this for
Speaker 1: the one million times. Hip hop is street urban culture
Speaker 1: built on black music, right on black music. That's what
Speaker 1: the hip hop records are. So again, when you say
Speaker 1: Leon Haywood or Doctor Dre's G Thing instrumental sounds West Coast,
Speaker 1: that's not a fact.
Speaker 2: Like let me RT sounds completely West Coast.
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't like there.
Speaker 2: Is just certain there's certain tempos, there's certain sounds that
Speaker 2: you would associate with with the East Coast, and.
Speaker 4: You're and you're viewing time as a as frozen and
Speaker 4: not as evolutionary. There is a consolidation of sound that
Speaker 4: has happened over the course of time in that area.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: You can't re classify something because you learn about it
Speaker 1: within the spectrum, like in the time period Pete. Just
Speaker 1: because you you can't say, hey, this is doctor Dre
Speaker 1: made this melody because you just learned about the melody
Speaker 1: when doctor Dre made it.
Speaker 4: That's not what I'm suggesting. I'm saying if you step
Speaker 4: back and look at West Coast hip hop hits over years,
Speaker 4: you can see a stylistic consult. They don't all sound identical,
Speaker 4: but you see a pulling together over time of that sound.
Speaker 2: And there's a reason that doctor Dre is considered a genius.
Speaker 2: Like for every region or every area that may have
Speaker 2: a sound associated with it, you're gonna have producers or
Speaker 2: artists who are so much better than their contemporaries in
Speaker 2: their particular region that they expand the sound. They'll have
Speaker 2: principles of their reagion sound like they could listen to
Speaker 2: the Hot Boys. You know, you can hear New Orleans
Speaker 2: in there, but they wouldn't. They're necessarily uh like if
Speaker 2: you go to like really deep bounce music in Orleist.
Speaker 1: You know what, man, this is like the most pete
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny. That's very frustrating conversations I've ever had.
Speaker 1: In my mind, this is one of the most frustrating
Speaker 1: conversations because it's really simple, really simple. There's no sounds
Speaker 1: that are West Coast. It's none that that's when you learned.
Speaker 1: You digested them, and you figured out that they were
Speaker 1: something you heard from somebody putting street urban culture on
Speaker 1: top of black music. Then you started to define that
Speaker 1: the first time you recognize it as something that sounds
Speaker 1: West Coast, but it's not the sound.
Speaker 4: But it created a feedback loop that reverberated within itself,
Speaker 4: that validated that. Like just from a simple philosophy of
Speaker 4: truth standpoint, the fact that we're having a conversation about
Speaker 4: whether or not hip hop has suffered in the West
Speaker 4: Coast by people trying to superficially manufacture a West Coast
Speaker 4: sound validates the idea that there's a West Coast.
Speaker 3: Sound, just from a basic truth standpoint.
Speaker 2: Again, Nigga going in the studio right now telling the
Speaker 2: producer out on the West Coast beat.
Speaker 1: But that's ignorant. Does not getting you right to stand
Speaker 1: on some level of fact ignorance just because you're ignorant,
Speaker 1: and this is the best. It's like gang banging. It's
Speaker 1: like when I first start talking to you. There's a
Speaker 1: million things you're ignorant when it comes to gang banging
Speaker 1: about because you're ignorant and white people taught you about
Speaker 1: brothers in la or maybe some loose ideas, and I
Speaker 1: can give you a fact you don't have to live
Speaker 1: in truth. Truth is the depth of how much you
Speaker 1: know something and you feel like you can prove it.
Speaker 1: Fact is actually the art to fact. It's actually the
Speaker 1: hardcore reality of the conversation, right, the hard core reality
Speaker 1: conversation is maybe the first time a lot of a
Speaker 1: generation have heard a Moove League in the beat, right,
Speaker 1: it's g thing a move league. We did not the
Speaker 1: West Coast did not create that. We didn't create the melody,
Speaker 1: didn't create the sound. We ain't even use the sound first.
Speaker 1: We ain't even necessarily popularize the sound until you come
Speaker 1: to another generation of people that don't make it a
Speaker 1: fact you learned from me. I could be the first
Speaker 1: person that showed you how to ride a bike. I
Speaker 1: did not invent riding the bike.
Speaker 5: So when you hear boom boom, sure that that don't
Speaker 5: remind you of West Coast stuff.
Speaker 1: No, that's not West Coast No, which is what I
Speaker 1: was saying to Hut from Above, the law who coined
Speaker 1: the term g funk this morning. I was like, it's
Speaker 1: funny to everybody today that gets in hip hop, They're
Speaker 1: like they're trying to emulate a specific producer, and then
Speaker 1: they're saying it's a West Coast sound. The funny part
Speaker 1: is out of Doctor Dre's illustrious history of making hip hop.
Speaker 1: That is probably the smallest part of his career when
Speaker 1: people would like to define his music in funk. It's
Speaker 1: probably the smallest. He had the n w A era
Speaker 1: before that, right, the roofless era with with with lines
Speaker 1: on them for roughly ten years when he wasn't even
Speaker 1: touching funk to no reil degree. Then you had the
Speaker 1: era after death Row right where he's not touching funk
Speaker 1: to any real degree, yet you classify him by when
Speaker 1: you discovered doctor fucking Drew.
Speaker 5: Arguing doctor Dre is a break guy. He's utilized more
Speaker 5: breakbeats than probably funk. And over the span of his career,
Speaker 5: they used to put albums and maybe you know you remember,
Speaker 5: they used to put out albums on with the different
Speaker 5: break beats on They half album's actual album with a
Speaker 5: bunch of break beats on them. And I swear Dre
Speaker 5: has used all of those.
Speaker 1: I get with.
Speaker 2: Peter on the West Coast brou that that have consciously
Speaker 2: or unconsciously unified around a certain set of sounds.
Speaker 1: It's how you identify black people from LA And you're
Speaker 1: making it a fact because this is how you see it.
Speaker 2: But you're ignorant, bro, I'm telling you don't know.
Speaker 5: If you can call ignorant. I just think he thinks,
Speaker 5: probably like the majority of the people.
Speaker 1: In the country thing, most people in the country are ignorant.
Speaker 1: They have no knowledge outside of these general things. But
Speaker 1: if most people, most white people in America and black
Speaker 1: people are gonna snatch their purse, most white people think
Speaker 1: black people beg and still so you want to give
Speaker 1: you the most of what people think. You think that way,
Speaker 1: I know Peter, don't think that way.
Speaker 5: He's not.
Speaker 1: He's not.
Speaker 4: She's citing most, but it's statistically, it seems like most
Speaker 4: black people. If you're in an inner city environment and
Speaker 4: see somebody who might look like he might be kind
Speaker 4: of a thug like guy, they do the same thing.
Speaker 4: There's not a huge disassociation, least from any measurable data
Speaker 4: I've ever seen, or there's a separation.
Speaker 2: White people may do the same thing in unnecessary situations.
Speaker 2: We're on the elevator, I'm not about to rob you, sure, but.
Speaker 1: They think you are, so I guess that means you're
Speaker 1: a robber, right like they do it just unnecessary, Like
Speaker 1: we created punk mid night.
Speaker 2: And I'm walking down Crenshaw. Yeah, I'm looking at niggas
Speaker 2: like this could be a problem.
Speaker 1: You know, why would it be a problem you walking
Speaker 1: down Crenshaw Middle Street I can recognize out in LA
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, why would that be a problem?
Speaker 2: Because if I'm walking down Euclid in Cleveland at midnight
Speaker 2: in East Cleveland, I'm fully aware of how East Cleveland
Speaker 2: gets down. So my spidey sense, so to speak, is
Speaker 2: a little heightened.
Speaker 5: Yes, I don't think it would be wise to walk
Speaker 5: down the nighttime though I'm from there, I don't think it'd.
Speaker 3: Be Why not?
Speaker 1: What's going to happen? If you're walking down euclid you
Speaker 1: you have a shame is sorry? There's eyes are you
Speaker 1: may get shot? You might get robbed. Why would you
Speaker 1: get shot?
Speaker 5: Because it has happening numerous times over there before? So
Speaker 5: what's the making me lat my ass out there?
Speaker 3: This is?
Speaker 1: This is why.
Speaker 2: Walk down?
Speaker 6: Just like me?
Speaker 5: If I walk down and period past the niggas, since
Speaker 5: in this one o'clock in the morning, I got on
Speaker 5: all blue, that probably wouldn't be wise.
Speaker 1: You see how you went to it? Why would you
Speaker 1: say that difference?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: And what are you wearing blue? Are you wearing a
Speaker 1: pair of blue?
Speaker 5: Let's say your tire got broke? You're looking for a
Speaker 5: Let's say your tire got a flat and you're looking
Speaker 5: for a tire place you're walking down there from.
Speaker 6: Town a white T shirt. Let's say I got on
Speaker 6: what I got on? A blue Puma sweatshirt, right and
Speaker 6: I walked down there? Hey, guys, can you tell me
Speaker 6: the thing else I'm going to motive likely be jumped jumped,
Speaker 6: get jumped on eyes or there's a chance they may say, yeah, Bro,
Speaker 6: So it's depending on who I run into.
Speaker 5: Glasses. You got to remember something, man, you are not
Speaker 5: the majority. You are the minority with your thought process.
Speaker 5: You got to remember this. And I and I agree
Speaker 5: with what you're saying. I think music is music.
Speaker 1: Do you care that what I'm saying is a fact
Speaker 1: versus the people that are ignorant to what we're talking about?
Speaker 5: You know what, Bro, you can't. You can't expect you
Speaker 5: know what I figured out, man, my long tenure on
Speaker 5: this planet. Man, it is a long tenure. Common sense
Speaker 5: is not common bro. And I do think I do
Speaker 5: see why people from out of town would think that
Speaker 5: there's a West coast sound because.
Speaker 3: Boom shot, boom shot, boom shot.
Speaker 5: Has dominated the kind of landscape.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: You know what makes it hard, Bro, that you can't
Speaker 1: teach you niggas. I can't. I know what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I can't expect jobs to let me teach him about gang.
Speaker 1: But he's from Detroit. I why would I not me
Speaker 1: being a gang member with all the experience, all the information,
Speaker 1: all the knowledge, all the first hand understanding. It's I
Speaker 1: studied it. It's not even just like I'm a member got.
Speaker 5: Gang bangers, he got jobs, he got gang bangers, and
Speaker 5: Detroit's gang bangers in Cleveland. That's not something that's unique
Speaker 5: to LA.
Speaker 1: We're talking about a specific group of gangs. We're not
Speaker 1: talking about just active guys in the community committing crimes.
Speaker 1: They're talking about specifically the.
Speaker 5: Job.
Speaker 1: So my question to jobs or to anybody, why would
Speaker 1: I not be the person that you would listen to
Speaker 1: on the matter. We're not at that point. It's like
Speaker 1: in hip hop, right, this is the problem. And it's
Speaker 1: funny because I never had the arrogance to think I
Speaker 1: knew about hip hop before, Like I lived the songs
Speaker 1: and I've heard the music my whole life, but until
Speaker 1: I studied it. Like imagine going into your teacher, Like right,
Speaker 1: you're going into your math classes of fifth grade thinking
Speaker 1: you know more than a teacher because you've added up money,
Speaker 1: Like that's what people are doing. Like I'm telling people, hey,
Speaker 1: here's the truth. The truth is there were ten years
Speaker 1: of West Coast hip hop and people didn't embrace funk,
Speaker 1: and there was another few years. Even the main producer
Speaker 1: you're thinking about does not have more funk kids than
Speaker 1: he doesn't have more funk kids. Even Ice Cube doesn't
Speaker 1: have more funk kids than he doesn't have fun kids.
Speaker 1: Even most of these people that's to sound that define everything.
Speaker 1: It's more nuanced. And then when I'm trying to give
Speaker 1: the nuance based off education and experience, I find myself
Speaker 1: arguing or debating people that don't have anywhere near the education.
Speaker 1: They have a very vague understanding based off of what
Speaker 1: they saw in their limited time.
Speaker 5: You know, you know what to be honest with you
Speaker 5: if you want to talk about like this just to
Speaker 5: validate your point. Gee, Redman has more funk in these
Speaker 5: history of using more funk than Snoop Dogg does by far.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna do that. We're not gonna do that,
Speaker 1: even though I would agree even though Jersey is really
Speaker 1: the home of funk or one of the homes, because
Speaker 1: George Clinton is from Jersey. But sure, whatever the West Coast.
Speaker 1: If I can't tell John, if I can't teach my
Speaker 1: brother because he's not open and he has ignorant perceptions
Speaker 1: like a white person that he getting the elevator, a
Speaker 1: white lady thinks you're.
Speaker 2: Right there, bro, I have been. My whole existence has
Speaker 2: been hip hop from day one.
Speaker 1: No, no, me. Your whole existence.
Speaker 2: Has been him my whole life.
Speaker 1: What year were you born?
Speaker 2: I was born in nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 1: Your whole existence has not been hip hop hip.
Speaker 2: Hop as far as me hearing sounds at eight nineteen
Speaker 2: an associated note that that music.
Speaker 1: My existence has been hip hop.
Speaker 2: Your existence has been after mind.
Speaker 1: You know I only grew up. I only grew up
Speaker 1: where hip hop was the.
Speaker 5: Hold on, Gee, why would your existence be more hip
Speaker 5: hop than ours?
Speaker 1: Because you guys grew up with Lisa Lisa.
Speaker 3: But that goes to the show.
Speaker 5: We started hip hop, Joe geeve our generation started, so
Speaker 5: we probably saw we'all generation that started.
Speaker 1: Y'all are too young and started. That's the problem.
Speaker 5: We've seen more. We've seen more of the development of
Speaker 5: hip hop than you did. It was already done. I
Speaker 5: didn't see. I'm not saying you guys didn't see the development.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you my whole existence been hip hop. I've
Speaker 5: never lived without it.
Speaker 7: But that.
Speaker 4: I understand that what you're saying, that's the you can't
Speaker 4: see the forest for the trees underpinning of.
Speaker 1: The But imagine me trying to debate again, Like Job said,
Speaker 1: he's living no jobs, has had an existence without hip hop.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he can't be more knowledgeable. That's not
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. We're not talking about the just conversation
Speaker 1: to hip hop. That's a different conversation specifically this style
Speaker 1: of hip hop, right, And what I'm telling him is
Speaker 1: I am experienced and study and learned and experience at
Speaker 1: this version of street urban cultures. As people. You would
Speaker 1: have to concede that.
Speaker 2: But your experience is not exclusive to just you. You you,
Speaker 2: especially in the hip hop conversations, assume that you are
Speaker 2: the teacher in every debate.
Speaker 1: Not at all. I listened to Lord Jamore all the time.
Speaker 1: I listen to Herk all the time. I listened to
Speaker 1: a ton of people who have dedicated their life to
Speaker 1: knowing this. It's hard to listen to just a fan
Speaker 1: of it because you're a fan. Like it's like a
Speaker 1: fan if you're a fan of doctors versus watching a
Speaker 1: doctor and learning from doctors. Like you may be a
Speaker 1: fan of surgery, man, I've been seeing surgery my whole life.
Speaker 1: You know, how may people I know? God surgery?
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Surgeries I had. You're not a doctor, So what I'm
Speaker 1: saying to you is I'm not that I couldn't debate
Speaker 1: you on hip hop because I never we never had
Speaker 1: that conversation. That's not when I'm saying specifically, when somebody
Speaker 1: says the West Coast sound, there is no sound. There's
Speaker 1: a sound that people tend to coin as West Coast.
Speaker 1: But that's the problem. That's why hip hop is suffering
Speaker 1: because of that. But when Hutch went in there, you like.
Speaker 2: One of four niggas on the planet that think that
Speaker 2: brou the rest of us agree that there's a West
Speaker 2: Coast sound.
Speaker 1: Well you know who doesn't agree. Well you know who
Speaker 1: doesn't agree, doctor Dre Hutch, Warren g DJ, Quick Battlecat.
Speaker 1: So I would trust us.
Speaker 5: Gee, you know what the thing is. But like you said,
Speaker 5: you said, funk originated and in New Jersey, George, that's
Speaker 5: what It's.
Speaker 1: Really originated from the South. James Brown, Yeah.
Speaker 5: It really comes from the South. You know, if you
Speaker 5: think about it, Nicka, just I will say that Georgie
Speaker 5: Clinton them took it to another level.
Speaker 1: You feel what I'm saying, which is Clinton, which is
Speaker 1: New Jersey and Ohiotown was able to do with it.
Speaker 1: In Michigan, Clinton Michigan and then in Michigan, right, and.
Speaker 5: It just got it got kind of I would say,
Speaker 5: what funk, It got passed around and east with every
Speaker 5: time it got passed around, it developed more and with
Speaker 5: you know what those guys did to they just made
Speaker 5: it a monster. You feel what I'm.
Speaker 1: Saying now again, g funk is a sound that the
Speaker 1: West Coast is credited with, or a genre, a styling.
Speaker 5: That not by Warring c but by Hutching.
Speaker 1: Now, but that's not even important because he would be
Speaker 1: from southern California. What I'm saying to you is that's
Speaker 1: not the sound, that is the culture. Like even talking
Speaker 1: to hutch this is what they can do the same
Speaker 1: thing with jazz or blues because they.
Speaker 3: Argument, well, I.
Speaker 5: Would say the Jobs has that thought, Jobs has that
Speaker 5: thought that Peter has it because that's what they've primarily
Speaker 5: heard from coming from the West Coast. Is it more
Speaker 5: funk based.
Speaker 1: Depth of what you heard to the depth of what's
Speaker 1: been made and successful is different?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I agree, And I'm not saying we don't use funk,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying we use jazz. Right, we use multiple things. Now,
Speaker 1: if you keep saying, what do you guys use the most.
Speaker 1: That's not the problem is you're trying to put it
Speaker 1: in a box. So and this is why the term
Speaker 1: gangster rap was bad because it became in a box
Speaker 1: for people who didn't quite understand what was going on,
Speaker 1: to digest what was going on, which is why I
Speaker 1: keep explaining the jobs. It's like you're getting in a woman,
Speaker 1: an elevated woman, and she thinks you're gonna steal her purse.
Speaker 1: It's the same ignorant thought. So now I'm giving you
Speaker 1: debt to yang Bang, and I'm giving you depth to
Speaker 1: you know, West Coast or southern California hip hop. I'm
Speaker 1: giving you depth to it so you can have a
Speaker 1: fact to hold so you don't have to go with
Speaker 1: this ignorance of all I know is like that white
Speaker 1: lady who's seen TV articles or news stories of black
Speaker 1: people still in their purse.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like how politicians think if they inject
Speaker 5: rapping to their discussions, that it's going to attract black
Speaker 5: people to him.
Speaker 1: Because I wonder why they wonder why they think that,
Speaker 1: Like if.
Speaker 5: They meet you class, they if they meet you, they
Speaker 5: may start rapping. Yes, that they meet you, job, they
Speaker 5: gonna start rapping to us. Bro, that's what we understand.
Speaker 1: Somebody talking to Pete and bringing in some ship that
Speaker 1: don't got no seasoning and thinking he gonna enjoy it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Or I think Pete is not nuanced enough to
Speaker 5: understand black culture, you know, and then that's just go.
Speaker 1: To black culture. Just bring him some barbecue without no seasoning.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that he was a certain amount of ignorance,
Speaker 5: you know, to assume that someone just, oh, man, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna play rap music to make them comfortable. You might
Speaker 5: not maybe like if you play that around my mom,
Speaker 5: Even though my mom appreciates all forms of music, she
Speaker 5: could look at you like you're crazy.
Speaker 1: So that's been my point of what I want to
Speaker 1: do with this Black History moth is to get more
Speaker 1: education from jobs, and to educate jobs about these conversations.
Speaker 1: Like that's the important part, because we brothers, and it
Speaker 1: shouldn't be no white person teaching him about us out here.
Speaker 1: It should be one of us who is aware of
Speaker 1: the nuances that's not as traumatized. I had a conversation
Speaker 1: with one of my g homies on the stream, and
Speaker 1: I realized his experience is very traumatizing. It doesn't change
Speaker 1: what's happening. But it shows that some people could misuse it.
Speaker 1: It's like when I was saying jobs on that stream
Speaker 1: where I was like, they said they couldn't believe there
Speaker 1: was no people mad in my comments. Oh there's you're
Speaker 1: saying gang banging is not a culture of vice. I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's not. It's not a culture of violence, right, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, the same violence happens in every state in
Speaker 1: America where people are right and they don't have to
Speaker 1: have crypts and bloods.
Speaker 5: And well, one thing me and the Linzo kind of
Speaker 5: discovered when we were talking last night, we were talking
Speaker 5: about this kind of like the same thing we're talking
Speaker 5: about right now, and we both kind of asked, as
Speaker 5: gangster rap done more harm than good?
Speaker 1: Right, Well, gangster rap couldn't do harm.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but hold on, listen, listen, this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Listen to what I'm saying. Hear me out right. There
Speaker 5: was a time to where streets kind of influenced the music.
Speaker 5: You know, it was an opposite right now, Then we
Speaker 5: went to a period to where music actually influenced the streets.
Speaker 5: It's a certain energy, bro, there's a certain energy if
Speaker 5: you go to a party. It was a time that
Speaker 5: if you went to a certain party and they were
Speaker 5: playing certain music, it would be cool. But certain songs
Speaker 5: that come on, everybody would get turned up. But somebody
Speaker 5: was gonna start fighting. Somebody will get shot at my
Speaker 5: wrong right jobs.
Speaker 2: Lo John comes to mind immediately.
Speaker 5: It's not and it's just not just against the rep
Speaker 5: but Little John, come on, somebody was getting getting their head.
Speaker 1: Well, the same thing happened at a white party. If
Speaker 1: you play a Little John, if you play Knock, if
Speaker 1: you buck at the Republican convention where the fight start,
Speaker 1: probably so what the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 2: If I played at the HPCU. Generally speaking, niggas is
Speaker 2: not gonna start fighting. But if you.
Speaker 1: Issueing the issues that is that are happening amongst poor people.
Speaker 1: As if the music is the stimulus, it is not.
Speaker 1: It is music does not work on all humans.
Speaker 2: That is so disingenuous. Though it may not take you
Speaker 2: to a particular level of change. But if you if
Speaker 2: you're drying, think down the freeway and a particular song
Speaker 2: comes up, comes on, you'll find yourself speeding.
Speaker 5: Yeah you will, you up and go, hey, that's my ship,
Speaker 5: and turn them up. The next thing, you know, you.
Speaker 1: Looking for a shoot like doctor Kocktu and the demolition men,
Speaker 1: like it should be nothing but Taco Bell jingles on
Speaker 1: the radio all day and nobody should wear any different colors.
Speaker 1: Because if your belief is that human behavior is controlled
Speaker 1: by this versus a circumstance, the question.
Speaker 4: Of gasoline by itself is just a buck of the
Speaker 4: gasoline so that you produce it to a flame and
Speaker 4: it becomes a different conversation.
Speaker 1: So gasoline is not the problem.
Speaker 4: There have been gasoline a problem, and there's a difference
Speaker 4: between not being the problem and not being an accelerant.
Speaker 1: Listen, that's gasoline and fire or heat.
Speaker 3: But it's different than water.
Speaker 5: Bro everybody I've talked to I just had. I just
Speaker 5: had a conversation with Black Sea from the RBL Possey
Speaker 5: shot on the Black Sea, and he told me when
Speaker 5: the movie Colors came out, San Francisco got turned up,
Speaker 5: especially when they heard the ice Ta song. They heard
Speaker 5: the song, it's like put a battery in their back.
Speaker 5: That's the exact words.
Speaker 1: There, because before that they was hold hand singing cool
Speaker 1: by y'all.
Speaker 5: But you know, ice t was an accelerant for them
Speaker 5: in the movie Colors.
Speaker 1: Sure, you niggas always want to blame somebody for y'alls.
Speaker 1: It was an accelerant, that's what he said, understanding what's
Speaker 1: wrong and what people be talking about.
Speaker 2: You didn't join a gang in a vacuum. There were
Speaker 2: people before you that made it look appealing.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you just didn't wake up. I'm pretty sure and say,
Speaker 5: you know what, I'm going to join Seventh Street because
Speaker 5: I want to have camaraderie.
Speaker 1: Hold up, Well, first off, I was recruited like a
Speaker 1: fucking person in the military. It's a different thing. Part two.
Speaker 1: You ever seen somebody drunk? Were you really recruited or
Speaker 1: or were you told I'm curious I was recruited.
Speaker 2: So you you really feel like you had an option
Speaker 2: at that point.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm telling you the truth. Man, you didn't have
Speaker 1: a choice. I would mighty gonna make me do something.
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: I think there's a miscommunication here.
Speaker 4: Because saying I was recruited, and then he said, so
Speaker 4: you thought you had an option or don't? So you
Speaker 4: were recruited and had an option, and the influence had
Speaker 4: some play within the weighing of the option.
Speaker 1: No, I made a choice, but that was best fit
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 4: And the recruitment had no influence on on your calculation
Speaker 4: of the choice.
Speaker 3: That's why I just said.
Speaker 1: I agree. But but but he's saying as if I
Speaker 1: had a choice, I did have a choice.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is is that technically, yes, you had
Speaker 2: a choice. But my ignorant as function is that most people,
Speaker 2: when being recruited by gangs in a heavily entrensed gang area,
Speaker 2: if they say no, they are fully aware that there
Speaker 2: may be repercussions for that negative response.
Speaker 1: It's not a negative response.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they may feel like, oh, you're too good to
Speaker 5: be on the hood.
Speaker 1: We be from the gang. Stop lying for jobs.
Speaker 2: Not not even lie.
Speaker 1: He's a perfect example. You didn't have a choice, gen
Speaker 1: you had a choice.
Speaker 5: That's different. I was from out of town. It was different.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't raise it in that community. Is a way different.
Speaker 5: I had a choice. I said no, I'm not participating.
Speaker 5: Here's one of those things.
Speaker 1: Again. See this is what I'm saying. They're asking me.
Speaker 1: I'm informing them that we're debating it, okay, instead of
Speaker 1: them taking my word this law because.
Speaker 2: Your particular situation, but most of us, I said, that's
Speaker 2: a fair point for your individual situation. I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: Has a choice.
Speaker 5: San Francisco didn't have a choice. When they saw that
Speaker 5: movie Colors and they heard the song Colors, how they
Speaker 5: respond to it? Yes, they responded to it, man in
Speaker 5: a negative way.
Speaker 2: It turned them up.
Speaker 5: It was the energy of it put a battery in
Speaker 5: their back.
Speaker 3: No choice. They're just.
Speaker 6: God.
Speaker 5: You from the Midwest, just like me. When gangst the
Speaker 5: Rapid merged, did you see a did you see an
Speaker 5: uptick in the violence and the way is violence? You started?
Speaker 5: You had gangs like Dynamite, There was a brick city
Speaker 5: outlaws turning the cripping blood games. They started claiming it.
Speaker 1: You had the whole number of things ready. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: were they doing with the game before that? They was
Speaker 1: feeding homeless.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they worried. They have barbecues in the community, having
Speaker 5: toy drives and all kinds of other stuff.
Speaker 1: Day blood like we got to kill each other.
Speaker 5: And then start, well, we're gonna do drive. We're gonna
Speaker 5: do it just like this. I remember one of the
Speaker 5: homies in Cleveland saying, we're gonna starting like the West
Speaker 5: Coast niggas is just gonna start riding behind the car.
Speaker 1: Is way easier, not like al Capone, sure bruh, like
Speaker 1: like I get what you're doing.
Speaker 2: Glasses. However, there is study after the study, there is
Speaker 2: actually you want to talk about facts. You want to
Speaker 2: talk about facts. There are facts. There's certain beats per
Speaker 2: minute do certain things to people's emotions, Certain tones, certain
Speaker 2: topics do certain things. There is a reason. Matter of fact,
Speaker 2: I interviewed one of the niggas from Souls and Mischief
Speaker 2: once and he said that he was in the record
Speaker 2: label's office when they got a call that literally said
Speaker 2: y'all gotta stop doing the decent hip hop shit. We
Speaker 2: going straight gangs. There's a reason they did that, bro.
Speaker 2: It wasn't because it was just more profitable. Nickas made
Speaker 2: dance mc amer sold ten million albums.
Speaker 4: One thing I have to point out statistically, the national
Speaker 4: crime peak was nineteen ninety four and it ran down
Speaker 4: for about twenty years. During that twenty years, there was
Speaker 4: more hip hop produced from more regions by more producers,
Speaker 4: and it was created more vastly and in a more
Speaker 4: dispersed way.
Speaker 3: Than prior to that time. So there is a disassociative
Speaker 3: statistical macro there.
Speaker 4: But I also I don't know at the same time,
Speaker 4: I think that there is some perpetuation that the music
Speaker 4: contributes to. There's a lot of input factors in both
Speaker 4: of those.
Speaker 1: Okay you to say that it's just isn't an uptick?
Speaker 1: Is there an uptick in suburban gang violence.
Speaker 2: There's definitely the biggest suburban violence.
Speaker 1: Because they're the biggest consumer of of of hip hop
Speaker 1: and gange the rat.
Speaker 2: There's absolutely an uptaken in suburban violence. When I was
Speaker 2: growing up, I didn't hear about any any white boys
Speaker 2: want to shoot up in school ever.
Speaker 1: Hip hop all the time.
Speaker 5: May you hear about all kind of white dudes man
Speaker 5: going to school and fucking up some ship that they
Speaker 5: just got finished listening to some n w A.
Speaker 2: And it's it is just not hip hop. There are
Speaker 2: rock rock bands out there that have found the sweet
Speaker 2: spot of aggression that that that resonates with the suburban
Speaker 2: white dudes.
Speaker 1: Horrible human beings.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 1: Well that that I'm not disputing that either horrible human beings, Bro,
Speaker 1: And you have no sense of accountability, and accountability is
Speaker 1: not in you. This is fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: I could say the same about you in your opinion that.
Speaker 1: The difference is I'm totally accountable like you just asked me,
Speaker 1: and I told you I made a choice, and I say, okay,
Speaker 1: fair point.
Speaker 3: I see accountable in the micro and not the macro.
Speaker 1: This is actually no. The truth is I'm accountable because
Speaker 1: I am a responsible adult. Everybody else is behaving like children,
Speaker 1: so they're giving away their accountability.
Speaker 5: Like you normally you were in a normally yes.
Speaker 1: Because I take accountability for my actions and I figure
Speaker 1: and I don't think you can blame rap music. I
Speaker 1: would be the last person to say you can blame
Speaker 1: rap music for all the society. But rap music has
Speaker 1: been shown there's been an increasing alcohol use, increasing the
Speaker 1: mirror want a consumption because it's being pumped into somebody's head.
Speaker 1: Not the legalization of alcohol, none of that.
Speaker 5: Usage.
Speaker 4: And the one was there the whole time. And then
Speaker 4: the catalyst was introduced and the yielded a different consumption.
Speaker 4: Right then, yes, it would be the catalyst.
Speaker 3: How that would work?
Speaker 2: You know, both you know both points can be correct.
Speaker 2: Like it is like like still say it's not the
Speaker 2: be all end all, didn't it didn't invent violence, but
Speaker 2: that ship definitely pumps it.
Speaker 1: Up because it's violent. So why not deal with why
Speaker 1: not deal with the fact that people most people up
Speaker 1: it does something to them, So then why not fix
Speaker 1: the problem.
Speaker 2: That's part of part of the problem.
Speaker 1: No, No, the problem is you're blaming people reflecting the
Speaker 1: problem like you're you're you're blaming the mirror for the problem.
Speaker 5: And I love music, but you know what, the problem
Speaker 5: is not a balance because when you have your face,
Speaker 5: which one of us.
Speaker 3: Are you talking to? I can only do so much
Speaker 3: with what I've got to work with.
Speaker 1: No, No, fix your face. Don't blame the mirror for
Speaker 1: how you look. Fix your face.
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying you said, you said, you know easier,
Speaker 2: I got to look in the mirror. What I'm saying
Speaker 2: is is that that's an excuse that that artists have
Speaker 2: used since n w A's first album. We're just We're
Speaker 2: just not.
Speaker 5: You told me they can't go both ways. Bro, you
Speaker 5: told me something, and I said, I agree with you. You
Speaker 5: told me still you have to be more socially responsible
Speaker 5: because they're dumb ass people out there to take everything
Speaker 5: you say to face value. And I said, you know what, Bro,
Speaker 5: You're right, And I stopped doing a lot of ship
Speaker 5: that I was gonna do before. Yes, I did, I
Speaker 5: did and you can't say the same thing. See, there
Speaker 5: has to be some responsibility.
Speaker 1: If I was talking to Doc, to Dre and n
Speaker 1: w A, this is a different conversation. I'm talking to y'all.
Speaker 1: Fix the inspiration. Don't keep talking about y'all always figure
Speaker 1: out a way to blame poor black people.
Speaker 2: That don't make gangster music too right.
Speaker 1: But you're talking about the poor black people that do
Speaker 1: make gangster music.
Speaker 2: So I said, a conversation about hip hop.
Speaker 1: Same thing and gang bang.
Speaker 4: More conversations about gang bang is what it says on
Speaker 4: the screen.
Speaker 1: All the same, all the same, all the same. It's
Speaker 1: all the same, all hand in hand, they all, they
Speaker 1: all hold hands, Pete, they all hold hands.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, name the person that has
Speaker 2: done the most recruitment for crips across the planet.
Speaker 1: Nobody's recruited crips across the planet. Who the fuck's that
Speaker 1: joined the cl Somebody somebody being proud of me, proud
Speaker 1: of where they're coming from, and being overpride and having
Speaker 1: pride is not a recruiting measure.
Speaker 5: See, there is some kid that may be in Youngstown
Speaker 5: promoting the crypts and may say, you know what, the
Speaker 5: glasses may be in the crypt. Sounds so cool. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna start a crypt game now, you know. The next thing,
Speaker 5: you know, you got our block cryps.
Speaker 1: That's fine.
Speaker 3: But using that type of.
Speaker 7: Pride manipulation, so to speak, or however you want to
Speaker 7: describe it, is a recruiting tactic, which is why the
Speaker 7: US Armored Forces pays millions of dollars a year out
Speaker 7: to every sports team to play the national anthem before games,
Speaker 7: because they deem it a recruiting effort expense.
Speaker 1: That's a brilliant effort by the military. This is not
Speaker 1: the equivalent. I'm just proud of my experience.
Speaker 2: Snoop Dogg has recruited more crypts in the history of Niggers,
Speaker 2: white people, Hispanics, whoever, than any other person that I
Speaker 2: would argue.
Speaker 1: By a lot. I think he should be proud of
Speaker 1: his experience. I think he should always bribing it. I
Speaker 1: think he should wear with a badge of honor. That's
Speaker 1: the point of.
Speaker 3: It, because that's fine.
Speaker 4: That there might be participation ratifications from that are not
Speaker 4: necessarily the same point.
Speaker 1: Well, the point I'm saying is he's not saying, hey,
Speaker 1: join my gang. But if you look up to Snoop
Speaker 1: and you want to be snooped. Then, in other words,
Speaker 1: you're saying, why why are people praising Snoop for being
Speaker 1: proud of his experience?
Speaker 4: I think to a portion of audience, he's not saying,
Speaker 4: join my gang.
Speaker 3: But for people who are like to the join a
Speaker 3: gang portion of the.
Speaker 1: Consideration, Listen, you cannot tell people don't be proud of
Speaker 1: their experience and bragging about experience.
Speaker 2: I absolutely can because some of the things that some
Speaker 2: people have experienced you should not be proud of.
Speaker 1: What's like for example, like what.
Speaker 2: I please explain to me at what point when he
Speaker 2: joined us?
Speaker 3: I'm proud of a day in my life. I'm forty
Speaker 3: one fucking years old.
Speaker 1: You don't need this pride. You don't need this pride.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, tell me and Snoop really, you know,
Speaker 2: like for all intentsive purposes gang banging purposes. I'm assuming
Speaker 2: he had a very brief career because he got with
Speaker 2: doctor Dre when he was what seventeen eighteen or something
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: But but gang banging is not necessarily the thing that
Speaker 1: you nuanced as just what you think it is. It's
Speaker 1: everything you do.
Speaker 2: Okay, But my point is is that the worst of
Speaker 2: gang banging is deplorable.
Speaker 1: What's the worst of it Riding in a.
Speaker 2: Car, pulling out a gun and shooting at a nigga
Speaker 2: because he looks.
Speaker 1: Friend, that's not what's happening.
Speaker 5: And you're shooting a nigga who could have innocent people
Speaker 5: around him, and you're driving them back with no regard
Speaker 5: for them people and just that's the enemy of a
Speaker 5: bus on them.
Speaker 1: That's not happening. Jobs, That literally is what happened. Well,
Speaker 1: that's not see I use that term literal. That's not
Speaker 1: that's not literal. Still is full of ship because I
Speaker 1: wish they would have beat your ass and put you
Speaker 1: on because you're full of shit and you can tell
Speaker 1: jobs the truth, but you're lying. That's fine, that's cool. Still,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure they fuck you up for it. Anyways.
Speaker 1: Roaming Part two. We don't ride in cars and shoot
Speaker 1: people because they look different.
Speaker 5: Literally bikes sometimes forgot on bikes.
Speaker 1: We don't ride by and shoot people because they look different. Literally,
Speaker 1: right there.
Speaker 2: You're shooting people doing by.
Speaker 5: The old Lady got hit.
Speaker 4: Hustle interview. He Nipsy said, you drive around until you
Speaker 4: find someone that looks most.
Speaker 2: Like you exactly.
Speaker 3: That's what he said.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying he said, he's giving you a general
Speaker 1: concept of something that's rooted in something richer. Not what
Speaker 1: I'm telling you is looks like somebody just because they
Speaker 1: look different. Literally, that's not instructions he gave people. That's
Speaker 1: not what he said.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So so would you agree glasses that drive
Speaker 2: bys are an actual occurrence.
Speaker 1: They have been since the thirties, and they were born
Speaker 1: out the Midwest.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fine because they got a long history doesn't
Speaker 2: make them better.
Speaker 1: Now that I'm saying they're not something unique to gangs,
Speaker 1: they are not.
Speaker 2: Well I take that back. Yes, yes, yes they are.
Speaker 2: Yes they are.
Speaker 1: Even though people he does drive by.
Speaker 2: The people that you were talking about in the thirties,
Speaker 2: twenty thirty, the twenties and thirties, we're in a gang.
Speaker 1: No, they were in. People wouldn't even call that a gang.
Speaker 3: They call their gangs.
Speaker 1: That would call their cliqus, mobs or mafia's they were called.
Speaker 5: They still call their cruise mob. Like if you go
Speaker 5: to Chicago, they don't say my game and say my mob.
Speaker 1: So that's unique specifically to the West. Coast in California.
Speaker 3: Is the same thing. It's a question of adaptation and adoption.
Speaker 1: It's been happening since then, all walks of different life.
Speaker 2: It's been happening for a long time. It doesn't make
Speaker 2: it right because it's got a long history.
Speaker 1: So therefore you would have a conversation with most humans,
Speaker 1: not just specifically glasses.
Speaker 2: Look, well, I'm a black man, and things that happen
Speaker 2: in the black community have a way more direct effect
Speaker 2: than something that happens in Palestine.
Speaker 1: Are they doing drops when you were younger?
Speaker 5: Jobs?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Unfortunately has.
Speaker 1: Nothing to do with Cripson blood jobs. Guys originated that,
Speaker 1: to be theory. To be honest, the Midwest originated drive bys.
Speaker 2: I don't know the origin. My problem.
Speaker 1: I have to say, shout out to shout out to Midwest.
Speaker 2: At some point in the gang culture that became a
Speaker 2: response and expected.
Speaker 5: And people watch thirtain movies, they heard the music and
Speaker 5: they said, you know what, that looks attractive. I'm going
Speaker 5: to try that.
Speaker 2: No matter how you explain it, bro, it was part
Speaker 2: of the gang culture.
Speaker 1: Again, the Midwest started drive bys. Okay, so imagine Los
Speaker 1: Angeles blaming you.
Speaker 2: You know what if we're going to go there. My
Speaker 2: generation is to blame for a lot.
Speaker 1: Of this ship, actually pretty much most of it. But
Speaker 1: I'm not blaming you. That's why we have accountability.
Speaker 2: Well, I too have done some fucked up shit when
Speaker 2: I was younger, so I'm part of the problem. I'm
Speaker 2: I don't run away from that.
Speaker 1: But how is it not if you're saying, hey, you
Speaker 1: guys are doing something that should be so familiar, you
Speaker 1: guys invented it.
Speaker 2: I never said that. I didn't say you invented it.
Speaker 2: What I said was, it's an expected response in gang
Speaker 2: culture to shoot at niggas.
Speaker 1: That's an expected response in any conflict. It's not.
Speaker 3: And I have.
Speaker 2: Conflict with people all the time, and I don't.
Speaker 1: On any power structure where warring is an option, like
Speaker 1: this country.
Speaker 2: You can't possibly be comparing gang banging to the country.
Speaker 1: I mean they gang banging.
Speaker 2: They are, but gang bangers are fighting for nothing. Neither
Speaker 2: is the country they actually go with and take shit.
Speaker 2: So you believe you never saw them bring anything back,
Speaker 2: Well look at Iraq, bro, you.
Speaker 1: Never saw them bring anything back.
Speaker 2: A lot of oil. I didn't see them put it
Speaker 2: in the tankers.
Speaker 1: So then therefore you're you're spreading rhetoric. That's not true.
Speaker 1: They didn't go fight them for oil.
Speaker 2: You gotta talk to some vets bro.
Speaker 1: They didn't sell them. They didn't have to load up
Speaker 1: any drums or oil and bring anybody. No, that's a lie. Again.
Speaker 1: You're bringing dignity to white people doing the exact same
Speaker 1: thing I didn't. You're saying they're fighting for a reason.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you they're fighting for whatever reason that they
Speaker 1: deem is the reason to fight over. And if you
Speaker 1: can't understand it, I'm not saying you should actually understand
Speaker 1: why brothers fight. I'm telling you it's not foreign and
Speaker 1: it's not exclusive.
Speaker 2: But you're trying to make it sound so like I
Speaker 2: told you before. Man, you make it sound so wonderful.
Speaker 1: How was it wonderful? Was it wonderful when the people
Speaker 1: came and flew the planes in the tower. Was it
Speaker 1: wonderful when America retaliated and droned all of the cities
Speaker 1: and killed the man that was responsible that ran their
Speaker 1: gang for twenty twenty years later? No? No, but it's
Speaker 1: a part of existing. When you read the Bible, is
Speaker 1: it wonderful when certain people kill certain It's not that's
Speaker 1: just part of existing as a human. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it's okay, and I'm not saying you shouldn't possibly be
Speaker 1: against violence. I'm telling you do not single out a
Speaker 1: particular group of poor people in this pursuit. They're not exclusive.
Speaker 1: They're not exclusive things that human beings feel, jobs, they're
Speaker 1: not makes it sound so great, man, I'm not making
Speaker 1: it sound great. I'm just saying tomorrow, That's not what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, bro. I'm just saying, where do I sign?
Speaker 5: Bro? It's not.
Speaker 1: Still is somebody who moved out here as a teenager.
Speaker 1: He had a choice to be from the hood. If
Speaker 1: you wanted to there to put him on, No, I
Speaker 1: didn't have a choice. Dude went to jail. I would
Speaker 1: had to stop going out there had he stayed out there,
Speaker 1: or I had to get put on. His friends would
Speaker 1: have put him on.
Speaker 5: And I think that I think you missing a point. Gee.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that this stuff is is right, But
Speaker 5: I am saying that music and gangster rap does have
Speaker 5: a certain influence on people.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not even disagreeing that it does. But
Speaker 1: I'm telling you because it's inspired by life, so fixed
Speaker 1: life and then we could actually well.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 5: At one point it was, but then it started influencing
Speaker 5: people because people that then the lifestyle will hear that
Speaker 5: stuff say that sounds exciting.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it does. If you're that ignorant, that's your problem.
Speaker 5: Well, it's people that's that ignorant. You even say it
Speaker 5: the g you said it yourself. It's just like, these
Speaker 5: people don't sit up here and listen to these dumb
Speaker 5: motherfuckers online tell all these lies and talk all this shit,
Speaker 5: and they believe them. There's just a bunch of dumb
Speaker 5: motherfuckers that are easily misled.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thats it up right there.
Speaker 1: It's the truth.
Speaker 5: It's just a dumb like whether I love music, yeah,
Speaker 5: I love gangster rap. I love music period, man, But
Speaker 5: there are dumb motherfuckers. They wouldn't influence my household because
Speaker 5: my children have me that looks too. They don't let
Speaker 5: no fucking rapper tell my kids what to do. But
Speaker 5: there's a lot of people that do. They listen to it.
Speaker 5: They sit at home, listen to glasses and out of
Speaker 5: all the positive shits you say, they gonna take the
Speaker 5: one one negative out of it. Negga run with that
Speaker 5: ship man last look seem like a cool dude, and
Speaker 5: he had crypt. I'm gonna be a crypt.
Speaker 1: That's what If that's what they got from that, then
Speaker 1: what am I supposed to do? Not be a cryp?
Speaker 5: You don't probably have to advertise this much.
Speaker 1: I'm a crip and I'm proud of it.
Speaker 5: No, you are a man, You're a human being. Are
Speaker 5: you back now? Mack tell me I'm not a man.
Speaker 5: I'm a crypt.
Speaker 3: Just basic basic like free algebra, transitive property. I'm a crypt.
Speaker 4: I am proud of it, stated to listener. Therefore, listener
Speaker 4: thinks I want to be proud of something.
Speaker 3: I ought be a crip. Mm hmm. That's not terribly
Speaker 3: far fetched.
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: We keep shifting the parameter all over the.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying people cannot want pride. That's a normal thing,
Speaker 1: poor people. That's a normal I'm not disagreeing. I'm not.
Speaker 1: Nobody is saying, hey, be a crypt like me.
Speaker 2: You kind of are, bro.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 2: Particular verbiage. What you say is glasses low.
Speaker 5: Your real names, your names, glasses glasses Low. That's a
Speaker 5: crypt name. You advertising your equipment right now?
Speaker 1: No, I am a crypt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but but the way when when you don't, you
Speaker 2: don't necessarily say go out be a crypt. But if
Speaker 2: somebody says, well I was because of your music, you say, well, good.
Speaker 4: It's I'm cool and having to be a CRYPT. And
Speaker 4: someone goes, I want to be cool. Yeah, probably cool too,
Speaker 4: because he's cool and he's a crypt.
Speaker 2: There's the negative aspects of gang banging, and you promote
Speaker 2: and I've never disputed that there are some positive aspects
Speaker 2: of gang banging. It's just the the flip side of that.
Speaker 2: The conflict resolution aspect of gang banging is horrible.
Speaker 5: It's horrible. You got deep blogging this in their sixties
Speaker 5: and seventies to steal, still violent.
Speaker 1: They haven't found something. Well, I don't know what's better.
Speaker 2: They proud of being in their game.
Speaker 1: Why would you not be proud?
Speaker 5: I don't even know what you're saying.
Speaker 1: No more, why would I not be. You're proud of
Speaker 1: being a father. That's like second night, different things. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying you didn't even have to do anything.
Speaker 2: I actually had to work to be a father.
Speaker 1: No, No, you actually have to. It's a consistent effort.
Speaker 1: But that's what you're proud of.
Speaker 2: You know what. I wasn't concerned about her beat me
Speaker 2: up if I did something wrong.
Speaker 1: You guys, I get your point right, and I get
Speaker 1: what Pete is doing with his hands, But you're saying
Speaker 1: that my problem is what makes somebody want to be down.
Speaker 2: It's not just that it is. It is your descriptions
Speaker 2: of being a gang member.
Speaker 1: It's just what it is.
Speaker 2: But it's still you're.
Speaker 5: Giving blood when game came up, when two of them
Speaker 5: came to sing, look at the riots and the people
Speaker 5: that want to be bloods all on the East Coast,
Speaker 5: all everywhere else. They want to be blood because they
Speaker 5: say it look cool. Where's the first place people go
Speaker 5: when they come out here? They want to go in
Speaker 5: the hood. They don't want to go see these people
Speaker 5: are wealthy in most cases. Why they want to hang
Speaker 5: out in the fucking neighborhood around a bunch of broke
Speaker 5: motherfuckers and probably get rotted because y'all make it sound
Speaker 5: sexy to these dumb motherfuckers.
Speaker 1: Or it's not bad.
Speaker 5: They said, Well, I didn't know about that part. They
Speaker 5: didn't tell me that was gonna happen. I just thought
Speaker 5: it was gonna be cool because in the rap songs,
Speaker 5: all y'all motherfuckers talk about is we getting money? We
Speaker 5: fucking bic sious and we're doing what we want to do.
Speaker 5: It don't say nothing about man, I had to bury
Speaker 5: nine homies last week of my mama's house got shut up,
Speaker 5: she got my little sister got hit. They don't talk
Speaker 5: about that. They just talk about the fun aspects.
Speaker 1: Then most times, and then there is a song where
Speaker 1: you have to bury your homie.
Speaker 5: People don't hear. See, people don't hear the people don't
Speaker 5: hear message. They only want to hear the shit they
Speaker 5: want to.
Speaker 1: So then who are you blaming?
Speaker 5: I'm like, shit, I ain't got no choice but to
Speaker 5: blame the motherfuckers is making the music.
Speaker 1: And people ignoring everything that's happening. Yeah they have Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah they got a certain amount of kountability. All parties
Speaker 1: are guilty. Well, no accountability is guilty. It's all choice.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying to you, is this right if every
Speaker 1: day do y'all think every day is burying a homie?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: But do you we're not talking about us up here.
Speaker 5: We more, we are more new fluanced than that. We're
Speaker 5: not a lot of people out here.
Speaker 1: It's just yes, you are.
Speaker 5: No, I'm not, I'm far from them.
Speaker 2: I'm just think there's a store somewhere in your neighborhood
Speaker 2: that that I don't know now, but at some point
Speaker 2: gang members hung out at yep. How do you think
Speaker 2: that the random young lady got two kids, doesn't want
Speaker 2: her sons involved in gang banging, but has to send
Speaker 2: her son to the store to get stuff. Does she
Speaker 2: feels safe with that?
Speaker 1: Maybe not?
Speaker 2: Why because it's said it's roses and daffodilsau.
Speaker 5: She knows her young son is go walk by these
Speaker 5: her young impressible sons go walk by these niggas like
Speaker 5: glasses and niggall be like, what's up a little homie,
Speaker 5: and they see them getting money, They see them with
Speaker 5: the bad brother. I'm gonna tell you this jobs. You
Speaker 5: know what I was in press by when I was little.
Speaker 5: The pimp dude down the street they had the cadillact
Speaker 5: with the grill on front, had a not of money
Speaker 5: like this, they had to clean shit on.
Speaker 2: I didn't look at them.
Speaker 5: My pops coming home in his ragged clothes wafter working
Speaker 5: a fifteen hour shift. I looked at that nigga down
Speaker 5: on the street that was getting that money and said,
Speaker 5: I want to be like that motherfucker right there had
Speaker 5: all the baddest women and.
Speaker 4: You just didn't have a shit's worth a game and
Speaker 4: look and there went that dream. No.
Speaker 5: But but the thing is that's who you wanted to
Speaker 5: be like because you looked at it and said, man,
Speaker 5: I want that right there because I don't have money,
Speaker 5: and that motherfucker got it all. He got everything that
Speaker 5: you could think, you think that you want as a
Speaker 5: young kid. They're impressionable, bro.
Speaker 1: So that my question to you is, so, then what
Speaker 1: should the country be doing about that? Why is it
Speaker 1: that this lifestyle that's against the law is doing better
Speaker 1: than people who are working in slavery.
Speaker 5: Because we need to promote, We need to promote more.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you which not promoting people you can
Speaker 5: put I'm gonna hear you right now, geez, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: take you off. Hold on still.
Speaker 1: You could put a pimp in Beverly Hills and he
Speaker 1: wouldn't have the same influence.
Speaker 5: I'm going to give you the perfect scenario right here right.
Speaker 5: You know what I don't understand for the life of me.
Speaker 5: The NFL only has so many jobs. So that means
Speaker 5: invariably there gonna be a lot of motherfuckers that got
Speaker 5: NFL level talent sitting at home. It's only so many jobs,
Speaker 5: you know, where there are abundance of jobs at and
Speaker 5: then motherfuckers make more money than the players. The coaches
Speaker 5: how come make motherfuckers ain't pushing the line to be coaches.
Speaker 5: That's why I don't understand. Like, dude, if you want
Speaker 5: to stay around the game and make millions dollars a year,
Speaker 5: the difference is is you could play in the NFL.
Speaker 5: You might make a couple of million dollars for two
Speaker 5: three years, which are on average, is the average lifespan
Speaker 5: of a player, right when you can go be a
Speaker 5: coach and make all the fucking money and be around
Speaker 5: a lot longer.
Speaker 3: But that's time frame and you know you're not gonna
Speaker 3: have it now.
Speaker 4: You don't go to make millions of dollars as a
Speaker 4: coach in year one, but as a player, you will
Speaker 4: make millions of dollars in year one.
Speaker 3: You make it.
Speaker 5: Like you listen to what I'm saying, Peter, Now the
Speaker 5: game has changed, bro. They got GMS on the team,
Speaker 5: they got recruiting coordinators. Them dudes making millions of dollars now,
Speaker 5: right off the rip, dude, right off the bat. Everybody
Speaker 5: can't get that job, but you gotta like moregain.
Speaker 3: You're recruiting coordinators in year one?
Speaker 5: Come on now, yeah, I'm telling you, man, it's the thing.
Speaker 5: So let's say it take you a few years. Right.
Speaker 5: You know how many motherfuckers, Peter, they got dudes that
Speaker 5: the gms, The dudes like you probably didn't play football, right,
Speaker 5: and they know the game and they hire motherfuckers like that,
Speaker 5: and it's like, damn, that motherfucker is making a game
Speaker 5: and motherfucking money. Conversations where everyone attached last is last
Speaker 5: is always one to be Oh well, poor me, people,
Speaker 5: We just fucking with Glass day a poor glasses, poor
Speaker 5: glasses man, My poor little crip homie. Man, he just man,
Speaker 5: y'all is being so mean to him because he a crip.
Speaker 1: It's probably true. Though it's probably true. It's not nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with it, But cripping has prepared me for this.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. Some Michael here this to say,
Speaker 5: you know what, cripping made Glass is tough. I'm be
Speaker 5: a crip. They walk.
Speaker 1: A man, that's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did, alright, without.
Speaker 1: So so they could be like jobs, maybe jobs should
Speaker 1: be more prideful about, you know, maybe more people should
Speaker 1: be more pride for like prideful. I don't know why
Speaker 1: people aren't more prideful about their you know, they're them surviving.
Speaker 5: Because most people turned creeping and blood into a marketing too.
Speaker 5: That's the problem they turn. They don't ever talk about
Speaker 5: the bad with it. It's just all graty. Everything is
Speaker 5: just so man, it's so lovely to be out here
Speaker 5: doing this.
Speaker 1: I've never heard an artist that in life.
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? To brag about going to prison?
Speaker 2: Every song they.
Speaker 1: Brag about surviving prison. Oh yes, they nobody. You'll never
Speaker 1: hear nobody with a song that's like first day in
Speaker 1: the problem nobody got. But that's not the problem, right that,
Speaker 1: that's not a problem. Right, you have to listen again,
Speaker 1: people's ignorance, right, it's not that's the problem. Like even
Speaker 1: me trying to inform you and y'all arguing is the problem.
Speaker 1: The ignorance. I'm not and there's nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 1: It's not nothing. I'm not insulting. It's just you just
Speaker 1: don't know. Nobody has a nobody is going to jail celebrating.
Speaker 1: There's no song I gotta go do nine years and
Speaker 1: they bragging about it, and and know they're not.
Speaker 2: They do that when they get out because they're jumped
Speaker 2: on in the shower in prison, nobody talks about somebody
Speaker 2: stole my comments.
Speaker 1: They have all of those songs, They have a thousand
Speaker 1: of those. Point them out, bro, the little homie name Twin,
Speaker 1: Now your name just twin, switching, sagging, rolling your eyes
Speaker 1: and neck.
Speaker 5: You better.
Speaker 1: It's a thousand songs. But again, everybody brags about surviving.
Speaker 2: Is that a real, dude?
Speaker 1: That's ice cues? Check yourself? Really yes? The second verse.
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying to you is you hear people
Speaker 1: bragging about surviving being accountable for whatever action they did.
Speaker 3: That's an exceptional song.
Speaker 1: Though that's not an exceptional song. People don't have songs
Speaker 1: like I did nine years and every day was rosy
Speaker 1: and we was out there chilling.
Speaker 2: And it's also not based on any facts. I still
Speaker 2: didn't go to prison, and we all know.
Speaker 1: That, but that it's it's that it is a fact
Speaker 1: that some people go in there and get turned out.
Speaker 2: People tend to believe if you went to prison and
Speaker 2: come out and make a song. People are naturally going
Speaker 2: to associate whatever you're saying as more factual than somebody
Speaker 2: just talking about my boy's experience or somebody else's experience.
Speaker 1: Oh then then let's take somebody from Detroit, like, uh,
Speaker 1: the guy that made First Day Out that doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like I would want to go to jail listening to
Speaker 1: his song.
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm gonna tell you what y'all should be listening
Speaker 5: to what should be to influence some motherfuckers this ship
Speaker 5: right if.
Speaker 3: It's not, you know what, this is a huge step.
Speaker 4: For still because usually it's showing us some boiled getting
Speaker 4: cut out of somebody's shoulder.
Speaker 3: So this is a lot better than that.
Speaker 1: You love, you'll put out my videos. The point I'm
Speaker 1: saying jobs reason why.
Speaker 5: I'm showing to you because I know this thing will.
Speaker 1: Never come to you, is this first day out does
Speaker 1: not make me want to go jail. But when I
Speaker 1: listen to T. Grizzly talking on First day Out, I
Speaker 1: hear somebody really excited that they survived the traumatic experience,
Speaker 1: telling me how bad it was, how bad the journey was,
Speaker 1: how bad the fight was. That's all the song. There's
Speaker 1: no songs where nobody's bragging about how fun it was
Speaker 1: in jail and they was sleeping with men, and that's
Speaker 1: not what's happening. So again again to lazily conflate, like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, somebody's you know, really excited that they're free.
Speaker 1: They didn't compromise the morals being unaccountable for something and
Speaker 1: putting somebody else in harm's way and then going into
Speaker 1: this traumatic experience where people die, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what he talked about in First day Out. That's
Speaker 1: why the song is celebrated. It's not celebrated because he
Speaker 1: went to jail. It's celebrated because he made it through
Speaker 1: the experience without compromising himself. If you made a song
Speaker 1: about going to jail and you was and you was
Speaker 1: sleeping with punks in jail, it wouldn't be celebrated. If
Speaker 1: you made a song about you went to jail and
Speaker 1: you told the police so you didn't have to stay there,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be celebrated. It's when you beat, when you
Speaker 1: what you deem as something. So, oh, you just went
Speaker 1: to jail and that's pumped up. No, that person took
Speaker 1: accountability for what they were. They're bragging that they didn't
Speaker 1: sacrifice morality of blaming someone else, and through all of
Speaker 1: this madness I am here. It shows that I am
Speaker 1: built for tough. I took on the challenge and I
Speaker 1: made it through. That is something to be pregnant.
Speaker 5: Man, I'm gonna show you off something that's really disturbing
Speaker 5: right now. Look at this rare still.
Speaker 1: Can't nobody see what we're doing a podcast? Nobody could get.
Speaker 5: The window. I'm showing that because that's what you're seeing
Speaker 5: right now is as believable as that video.
Speaker 1: Right What did I do?
Speaker 5: God?
Speaker 1: What did I do?
Speaker 5: Sitting up here trying to justify a thuck? That's be
Speaker 5: your next song. Justify my thug.
Speaker 2: You make it, I'm telling you, man, you make me
Speaker 2: want to join up.
Speaker 5: Justify mind cripping.
Speaker 1: Listen, you can't be this. You can't become this. You
Speaker 1: eat it like like like that's that's the way.
Speaker 4: You couldn't be that pimp you always wanted to be.
Speaker 4: Still exactly, you can't. When you see that bank this fly, ladies,
Speaker 4: it wasn't in the car for you. Still, you know
Speaker 4: what I said, I said is the way to do it.
Speaker 5: I don't want to be negatives.
Speaker 1: I'm saying you you when you was you couldn't.
Speaker 3: Do it's either in you.
Speaker 1: Still, it's on you. It's in me. Mm hmm, it ain't.
Speaker 1: It ain't on you. It's in you. You either is
Speaker 1: or you not. And that's what I'm trying to explain.
Speaker 1: The jobs, like you can't become glasses Low, but.
Speaker 2: I could become John Flow.
Speaker 1: No, No, you couldn't because it's like it's something special.
Speaker 5: Job. They want as many new memories as they can
Speaker 5: because they lose a lot every day. It's always it's
Speaker 5: a lot of there's a lot of.
Speaker 2: Lose anybody they walk off into the sunset.
Speaker 1: It's easier to work money retired. They don't tell me
Speaker 1: easier to work at McDonald's than it is to be
Speaker 1: a crypt to be aspiring to do. It's hard being
Speaker 1: the low.
Speaker 4: It's not easier to get pussy when you work in
Speaker 4: McDonald's versus when you when.
Speaker 5: He feelings, I hate to do this, I gotta I
Speaker 5: gotta go fix my car because my brother laws fix
Speaker 5: my car from right.
Speaker 1: Okay, leave without having me have your recording in a minute.
Speaker 3: Steel is good to see it.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. I don't think i'm really saying
Speaker 1: that in crazy jobs.
Speaker 2: I know you don't, and that is the wild part,
Speaker 2: Like you believe it. It's the facts. No, it's the
Speaker 2: facts as glass to seas though.
Speaker 1: No, it's just the fact.
Speaker 2: No, you you It's just a beautiful, harmonious experiment.
Speaker 3: Do you know what it reminds me of.
Speaker 1: Jobs?
Speaker 3: I think you've probably heard the expression. It's like something
Speaker 3: something about lies and statistics.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: There's like a famous lies and statistics or them lie
Speaker 4: like you can believe you're lying eyes or the damn
Speaker 4: numbers something like that, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 4: like you can parameterize a stat any which way you
Speaker 4: want to, and it's a true statistic, but it's contextual
Speaker 4: application and how you want to direct it is what matters.
Speaker 4: And that, to me is the is where the whole
Speaker 4: disagreement comes. It's like, sure, these are all factual statements
Speaker 4: in so far as their outward application and ramifications and
Speaker 4: stuff like that. That that's just where the conversation is asymmetrical.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how what I'm saying makes you
Speaker 1: want to be a part of a game.
Speaker 2: You make it sound wonderful where every time you talk
Speaker 2: about cripping man. I love cripping man. I'm proud of it.
Speaker 2: It has turned me into demand that I am. It is.
Speaker 1: You know, we have.
Speaker 2: Picnics, we talk on the phone, we give each other advice,
Speaker 2: we hold organizational meetings. We're structured.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful structured.
Speaker 4: You've said that you had a lot of fun during
Speaker 4: your during your teenage years of life.
Speaker 3: I did, yes, So you.
Speaker 2: Only exclusively discuss Again, I'm not saying that there are
Speaker 2: not positive aspects.
Speaker 1: This is not positive. This is just what's happening.
Speaker 2: But to act like there are the counter is not
Speaker 2: also true.
Speaker 1: I never said the counter is not true. I'm just
Speaker 1: giving you you're saying people ride around looking for somebody
Speaker 1: that looks different. That's not what's happening. People have conflicts,
Speaker 1: and this is how they solve conflicts.
Speaker 2: Again, and the conflict conflict resolution amongst gang bangers is deplorable.
Speaker 1: What matches the United States conflict resolution? That doesn't justify it?
Speaker 1: What makes it? It makes it a little more standard
Speaker 1: than you give it credit for.
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't for us regular folks that just go on.
Speaker 1: You mean you mean not regular folks, you mean suburban
Speaker 1: folks who have something to live for. You have a career,
Speaker 1: you have things that's worth living for. Because this is
Speaker 1: standard out of Los Angeles where there's no gangs.
Speaker 2: Most people that live in the inner city are not
Speaker 2: gang bangers, are not criminals. They're just regular people who
Speaker 2: go to work, come home and would love to live
Speaker 2: in peace and not be fearful that some dudes that
Speaker 2: live in their neighborhood who make it difficult to live
Speaker 2: in that neighborhood will harm them.
Speaker 1: That's just nobody jobs. Okay, So you can't be a
Speaker 1: punk either way. So if you're worried that somebody who
Speaker 1: you didn't do anything wrong to is going to harm you,
Speaker 1: you're a punk. What Yes, I.
Speaker 2: Walk up to the store and there's thirty niggas in
Speaker 2: blue rags standing outside to do it.
Speaker 1: What do that got to do with you.
Speaker 2: I'm not exposed to I'm not gonna be worried that
Speaker 2: something could happen. I'm definitely not sending my daughters in there.
Speaker 1: I just don't see black people that way.
Speaker 2: I just don't yo, and that's not exclusive to black people.
Speaker 2: Like there are certain neighborhoods. If I go into a
Speaker 2: neighborhood and every house on that block got an American flag.
Speaker 2: I'm leaving that neighborhood because I know that neighborhood. It
Speaker 2: ain't right.
Speaker 1: I'm not scared of them either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, fear and experience and making a wise decision
Speaker 2: are two different things.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a wise decision. If you
Speaker 1: haven't made a decision, I listen. It's nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: being scared, right, But it's another thing when you let
Speaker 1: scared confused with danger, right, okay, because they feel like
Speaker 1: they should be.
Speaker 3: Well once there's just been irrational and irrational fear.
Speaker 1: There you go. That's what I'm looking for. So if
Speaker 1: you haven't did anything, that's like when I go to
Speaker 1: another community, right and cribs and cribs don't cribs and
Speaker 1: cribs don't get along. It's not as simple as that, right.
Speaker 1: It's like if I go to a store in a
Speaker 1: trade I don't care who hanging out in front of it.
Speaker 2: You feel comfortable going in their store.
Speaker 1: It's it's not I'm going into the store. I need
Speaker 1: to get what I need to get, and I'm getting
Speaker 1: my car and leave until somebody makes it a problem.
Speaker 1: If they make it a problem.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming a trade is not.
Speaker 4: Guys that's a big crip gang that's a few miles
Speaker 4: down the road from Glasses.
Speaker 3: It's not in their geographical purview of now.
Speaker 1: Now, if it's a community that now listen, now again
Speaker 1: that again. Now, if it's a community that we have
Speaker 1: direct conflict with, yes, then then I should be worried
Speaker 1: because I understand we have something going on.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: It's like me walking into a store where where there's
Speaker 1: Cluelus clam member sitting in front of it. As a
Speaker 1: black man, there's something going on that I probably should
Speaker 1: not walk in front of this store because I understand
Speaker 1: that there's an issue with me being here. Now you're
Speaker 1: saying that that shouldn't exist is ridiculous because it exists period.
Speaker 2: Walking into a store with twenty gang members standing outside.
Speaker 1: Why why the hell would you not? What do they
Speaker 1: got to do with you? What they're gonna do to you?
Speaker 2: They rob civilians all the time.
Speaker 1: Has nothing to do with gang banging. That's somebody robbing people.
Speaker 1: Gangs are not. They rob people in every ghetto around
Speaker 1: the country. Has nothing to do with gang that.
Speaker 4: That's kind of like, if you're likely the type in
Speaker 4: that area to be participating in an illegal activity, you're
Speaker 4: likely going to be part of a gang.
Speaker 3: It's not to say that the game.
Speaker 1: But the point is, I'm saying anywhere where crime is high,
Speaker 1: they don't have to have gangs. People that's robbing. People
Speaker 1: will rob you. That's not something that's part of gang culture.
Speaker 1: They don't teach you, Hey, rob somebody. This is not
Speaker 1: the standard. Some people who rob people has nothing to do.
Speaker 1: They would rob people whether they were in a gang
Speaker 1: or not. In a gang. You don't get extra points
Speaker 1: in gang man because you robbed somebody. Sometimes people use
Speaker 1: it as a way to It's not what it's about.
Speaker 1: So if that was the case, you should be scared.
Speaker 1: Whenever you see poor black people hanging out in front
Speaker 1: of a store.
Speaker 5: If I see.
Speaker 2: Twenty people hanging out in front of any store, just
Speaker 2: hanging out, I'm looking certain type of way.
Speaker 1: Yes I'm not.
Speaker 2: What is the good? I have not reached your level
Speaker 2: of phenomenal list trust for black people, just a regular motherfucker.
Speaker 1: So what if it was twenty white people in business suits?
Speaker 2: I oh all that that's the cops. I'm not going
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 3: Businesses suits and ties.
Speaker 2: Yeah them the fits. I'm not going in there.
Speaker 1: Why would you not going there if you're not a criminal?
Speaker 3: The fans and suits and ties.
Speaker 2: Absolutely in court. Oh he's talking about in front of
Speaker 2: a store.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. In front of the store, just
Speaker 3: suits and ties.
Speaker 4: And there's twenty If there's twenty forty five year old black.
Speaker 3: Men in suits and ties, I'm thinking they probably.
Speaker 1: Would you.
Speaker 2: But yeah, absolutely, and I feel safe.
Speaker 1: I don't care who in front of what store outside
Speaker 1: of people that I know that are trying to cause
Speaker 1: direct harm to me because of my community or so forth,
Speaker 1: or because I'm Black. I'm going into the store and
Speaker 1: I'm not assuming because people are group doug together that
Speaker 1: their threat to my existence. I don't care what they
Speaker 1: look like, unless again, I'm in a different community where
Speaker 1: I know that community in my community have issues, or
Speaker 1: if it's the clue klutz Klan, or if it's somebody
Speaker 1: that's looking like they trying to whoop niggas because they
Speaker 1: just niggas.
Speaker 2: You a unicorn, bro, Most of us are a little
Speaker 2: bit more rational thinking about this.
Speaker 1: Is that rational? Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Brouh, It's probably rational, yes, yes. Most most
Speaker 2: of like are concern.
Speaker 4: Me sometimes I do. Sometimes I don't. When I do go,
Speaker 4: I go with a different approach.
Speaker 1: Like where I'm at Now, there's a store, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not far from here, Pete. And it was like
Speaker 1: fifteen dudes hanging out. I got my car, when got
Speaker 1: what I wanted and left. Sure, what do those guys
Speaker 1: got to do with me?
Speaker 2: It's because you're unique, bro, You're different.
Speaker 1: I'm might unique because most.
Speaker 2: Regular individuals would have some concern about that.
Speaker 4: And I'll say this much also, this goes into a
Speaker 4: broader topic I would discuss on another day.
Speaker 3: But like in so far as like.
Speaker 4: You're the barrier of entry at face value to a
Speaker 4: conflict with you.
Speaker 3: Is different than with me.
Speaker 4: So there's gonna be a higher assumed cost of conflict
Speaker 4: from somebody looking at you.
Speaker 3: It's gonna have to be pretty serious.
Speaker 4: You're a big guy, you a young dude, you look
Speaker 4: like you're from that kind of a neighborhood.
Speaker 3: The way you get out and move or whatever. I
Speaker 3: don't nothing about me says force deterrent. It's just facts.
Speaker 4: So if somebody's like, I gotta add an appetite to
Speaker 4: maybe test this guy on a scale of three to ten,
Speaker 4: I'm eligible.
Speaker 2: For you.
Speaker 3: That motherfucker is gonna be.
Speaker 4: Like I need to probably have an appetite on an
Speaker 4: eight to ten, and that weeds out ninety nine percent
Speaker 4: of people. I only get to weed out like seventeen
Speaker 4: percent of people.
Speaker 2: And I'm an old, short black dude.
Speaker 1: Why would anybody do anything to you job you're an old,
Speaker 1: short black.
Speaker 2: Dude because I'm vulnerable.
Speaker 1: Is that what you think? People pray on people?
Speaker 3: People don't tend to pray dude strongest.
Speaker 2: They people pray on who they need.
Speaker 4: Don't eat exactly, So.
Speaker 1: Gay baggon is all about praying on weak people.
Speaker 3: I didn't say that.
Speaker 4: I just said, in general speak, most people don't even
Speaker 4: even in a sense if somebody wants the conflict. Most
Speaker 4: people don't walk into conflicts. They presume they're going to lose.
Speaker 4: They avoid them, typically.
Speaker 2: Speaking Yes, but okay, that's not that far fetched.
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm just sure I think somebody gets But
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a representation of gangs. Hey, let
Speaker 1: me see this white guy. He's a little thinner, he's
Speaker 1: not as tall like that. We would consider that person
Speaker 1: a bust.
Speaker 4: Sure, but it's it's a responsition. It's a representation of
Speaker 4: the perception of.
Speaker 3: For sure, which is your point exactly.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like that nobody sweats
Speaker 1: the mailman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you don't.
Speaker 2: Assume that the mailman is walking around with a lot
Speaker 2: of money on them.
Speaker 1: You don't assume somebody walking into the liquor store has
Speaker 1: a lot of money on them.
Speaker 2: You see a white guy, you're the thought process may
Speaker 2: be for a lot of people that they have access then,
Speaker 2: but what they look like like if they look like
Speaker 2: a meth head, you know, but if they look like, hey,
Speaker 2: this guy works on Wall Street.
Speaker 3: Let's ask ask this question.
Speaker 4: Say you own the store, you're probably conscious that a
Speaker 4: considerable portion of your potential customer base might be deterred
Speaker 4: by that. Do you want them all outside in front
Speaker 4: of your store? Is that good for your store?
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