1 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: I'm back with another episode of Cutting the Distance today. 2 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: It's just me. 3 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: It may be early June as i'm recording this, but 4 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: I am laser focused. I'm ready for ELK season. It 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: seems like all I'm thinking about already every day is 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: where I'm gonna go check out on this hunt, where 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: i want to go scout on that hunt. It's kind 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: of consuming me already, and we're still three months away, 9 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: but it seems like everybody else is getting ready for 10 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: you ROX season as well. A lot of questions starting 11 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: to roll in, So we're gonna jump right into the 12 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: Q and A, which is brought to you by Pendleton Whiskey. 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,319 Speaker 2: This portion of the episode is brought to you by 14 00:00:44,600 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: Pendleton Whiskey Letterbuck. So today's questions. 15 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: I went to ELK Addicts facebook group, got a bunch 16 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: of good questions. So I'm just gonna kind of start 17 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: rolling through these and do my best to answer them 18 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: and it should be a fun little episode here. So 19 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: our first question comes to us today from Justin Stevens 20 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: off of ELK Addicts. What's your opinion on calling methods, 21 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: cold calling methods and high predator or high pressure areas 22 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: where ELK are just staying tight lipped in September. So 23 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: being a Washington resident definitely prepares you for this. As 24 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: far as the high pressured from hunters, you know, we've 25 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: got a lot of hunters out in the woods and 26 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: not as many elk. The densities, you know, fairly low 27 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: if you're in general over the counter areas, and so 28 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: I got a lot of got a lot of familiarity 29 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: with that, and then a lot of the spots I 30 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: hunted in Idaho as I was kind of starting to 31 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: go out of state and get that figured out, as 32 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: well as some of the places I've got to hunt 33 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: in Washington and Oregon. You know, high wolf populations, high 34 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: cougar populations, you know, seeing those on the ground have 35 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: an effect. It does, honestly quiet the elk down a 36 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: little bit. But I also am of the opinion that 37 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: during the rut elk are going to be vocal. They 38 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: may not bugle as much. They may be agle quieter, 39 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: they may be agle less, they may be do more, 40 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: you know, doing more of the bugling at night, but 41 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: they will still bugle. And you have to take advantage 42 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: of those times of day or maybe that one or 43 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: two beagles that they're going to give you the audible 44 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: you know, Marco Polo game. They're they're letting you know 45 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: where they're at. And so what what I like to 46 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: do is I'm more more cautious and conscious of when 47 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to bugle. You know, It's like if you 48 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: only had two or three bullets in your gun and 49 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: that's all you could take with you, You're gonna take 50 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: a lot more. It's going to be more calculated when 51 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: you're going to take a shot. The SHOT's got to 52 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: be perfect right where. It's kind of the same way 53 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: if you're in these high pressured areas, either by predator 54 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: or hunting, is I'm I'm not going to bugle as 55 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: much as I normally would if I thought I was 56 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: in an area that you haven't had very many people 57 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: through it, or I could get a response from a bowl. 58 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: So I'm I'm more calculated. I'm going to try to 59 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: get to a spot, you know, early in the morning 60 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: when I feel like I've got a better chance of 61 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: getting a response before those elks start to move down 62 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: into the timber, before they move off to their betting. 63 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: I'm going to try to take advantage of those situations 64 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: and use my my uh my bugles more sparingly. I 65 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: also feel, you know, we we get accused of very 66 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: aggressive elk hunting systems. And this is another great reason 67 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: why is if you are assuming that these elk are 68 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: tight lipped in an area and you do get an 69 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: answer like the only the only information I've got to 70 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: go on that elk is where he just bugled from. 71 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: And if I don't think I'm going to get another answer, 72 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: I need to be very aggressive. I need the number 73 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: one always make sure the wind's right, but I need 74 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: to close that distance and get to that elk very fast, 75 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: because if he's not going to make another I might 76 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: not know where he's going to be at in ten 77 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: or fifteen minutes or what direction he's going to. So 78 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: I typically aggressive, but I'm even more aggressive in these 79 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,839 Speaker 1: situations because I need to. I need to to get 80 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: in there before the least amount of time has passed. 81 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: Gives me the best chance at getting to that that 82 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: bowl's location. As far as cold calling, though, I'm I don't. 83 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: I do very little cold calling. And when I say 84 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: cold calling, I assume is cold calling. What I consider 85 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: cold calling is not a lot of sign. I'm not 86 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: just gonna pick a spot in the woods. In cold call, Now, 87 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: what I would say what I do is warm calling, 88 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: which I'll maybe assume this is what Justin's asking about. 89 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: Is there are there is some sign, there's some fresh 90 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: you know, scot, there's fresh elk tracks, there's fresh rubs, 91 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: whatever it may be. But maybe there's not an elk 92 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: bigling around me. So I would consider that like warm calling. 93 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: I'm not, like, you know, I'm not hearing beagles, but 94 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: there's sign that the elk are being there. So I'll 95 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: kind of say that's what he's assuming when he says 96 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: cold calling, I just don't do it a lot. I 97 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: want to know that there's an elk around. I want 98 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: to know that I'm working something that has a high 99 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: likelihood that there's an elk with an earshot. A lot 100 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: of my cold calling methods or warm calling methods, whatever 101 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: you want to refer to it, as as I was 102 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: growing up, I would do this a lot as I 103 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: was trying to learn, and a lot of times what 104 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: would happen is you'd maybe call on a spike that 105 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: you know, a satellite that was way off or betting 106 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: way off from the herd, but you wouldn't get a 107 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: whole lot of responses from the herd bowl. A lot 108 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: of times, I also felt that like the best use 109 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: of my time was to not sit in one location 110 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: and try to try to lure a bowl to that 111 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: I'm better off covering more ground with my feet and 112 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: finding elk that are lukewarm or warm or even hot, 113 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: willing to respond or find warmer sign you know, fresher 114 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: elk cracks, fresher crap, you know, elk scent, you know, 115 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: you can you physically smell that they're around you somewhere. 116 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: I prefer to use use my time to go do that. Now, 117 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: if I was to warm call or cold call, I 118 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: usually start more so it's more of a you know, 119 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: iterative process. I will start with cow calls, like the 120 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: lowest threat level cow calls, Hey, is there anything around? 121 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: I will you know, louder cow calls, maybe louder sequences, 122 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: and a lot of guys will overcall during these. I 123 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: set my watch to every five or ten minutes, like 124 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: a cow call, you know, maybe a louder cow call. Now, 125 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: if I'm not getting any responses or not starting to 126 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: hear anything, I remember think, you know, these bulls will 127 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: come in silent at times, so you're not always banking 128 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: on hearing anything. But if I give it a half 129 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: an hour and I don't have a better plan, I 130 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: will typically you know, start to add bugles in at 131 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: thirty thirty five, forty minutes, see if I get a 132 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: response there. And if I don't see anything by an hour, 133 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: like that's as much patience as I have for a 134 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: warm calling set up. I'm gonna move on. I'm gonna 135 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: go find fresher sign. I'm gonna drop into the timber. 136 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do things that I feel put the advantage 137 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: in my favor more so than sitting in a spot 138 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: calling elk. Now, with that said, I recognize that there 139 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: are people that kill elk every year with warm calling 140 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: you know, setups, or calling over wallows or what we 141 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: would consider you know, calling over spots that elk have 142 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: probability to go to. Me personally, I'm out there trying 143 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: to find a bowl that's willing to be agle. Now 144 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: that's my answer on that one, for what it's what 145 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: it's worth. Justin Stevens also asked a question on gutting 146 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: versus gutless methods, the pros and the cons, and then 147 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: what happens if you're solo hunting, so I will no 148 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: longer gut an elk unless the situation is, you know, perfect. 149 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: Last year, I did kill a bowl near my house, 150 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: which was in a spot where I knew I could 151 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: get a side by side to it. I I elected 152 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: to gut that elk, leave the guts out in the 153 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: field because I was going to take it back to 154 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: our our meat processing shed, our our our freezer are cooler, 155 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: and we're going to take care of it, you know, 156 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: a whole. So on that one, I did gut it, 157 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: But ninety nine percent of the elk I kill nowadays, 158 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: they're all going to be gutless it. I don't have 159 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: to touch the guts. I don't have to deal with that. 160 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: I don't have to deal with, you know, any of 161 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: the insides. I can get to everything on the outside, 162 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: you know, he asks on if you're solo hunting, the 163 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: biggest pro is that you don't have to move the 164 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: entire elk as it as it, you know, as it 165 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: died there. You're able to most of the time, I 166 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: would say, there are a few cases, you know, if 167 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: they get wedged under trees or logs or against something. 168 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: No matter how they're laying, you'll be able to get 169 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: off half of the meat from one side. That's gonna 170 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: be a lot easier for you to move around to 171 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 1: get to the other side. So that's one of the 172 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: biggest pros. There aren't a lot of cons anymore for 173 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: me on on on, you know, gutting versus not gutting. 174 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 1: There the gutless is has all the pros and none 175 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: of the cons. By time I gut them, you know, 176 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 1: people could argue that you let the animal cool down sooner. 177 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: By time I've got the elk, I've already got a 178 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: half off and quartered out, and I'm already onto the 179 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: other side. So the meat is cooling faster. Doing gutless, 180 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about any you know, enters 181 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: getting on any of the meat. It's cleaner. I don't 182 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,479 Speaker 1: leave any meat behind. I can get to the tenderloins, 183 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: you know, blow the blow the spine and and you know, 184 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: going in from the hip socket and kind of just 185 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: going underneath of that. We get them out very clean, 186 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: get them out whole, no damage. 187 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: You know. 188 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: I just even if you're taking the ribs, if you 189 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: want to take rib meat, you can do a rib roll. 190 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: Why it's on the animal. 191 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: If you want to take the rack of ribs to 192 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: do something, you know, some sort of preparation, you can 193 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: get the ribs out without gutting as well. You know, 194 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: it will kind of gut itself, but I don't have 195 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: to waste time specifically going up inside the cavity getting 196 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: blood up to my armpits, especially if you're in grizzly 197 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: country or something like. I definitely don't want to do that. 198 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: I'm trying to stay as clean as possible there is 199 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: I don't want to allude to how fast I can 200 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: take care of an animal when I'm doing gutless. But 201 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: I've got this thing broke apart, you know, halfway by 202 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: time I could get it. It's it's clean, very easy 203 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: to do. I'm working in manageable pieces. I don't see 204 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: any reason why not to do gutless. And the biggest 205 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: pros if you're solo hunting, you're not moving near as 206 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: much weight by yourself. You're able to at least get 207 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: half of the elk, you know, taking care of before 208 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: you got to try to roll it over. So it's 209 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: usually a lot easier to get that thing in the 210 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: position to do the other half. There as a joke 211 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: on here at the end. Is the Maverick truly the 212 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: best diaphragm call on God's Green Earth? Or is it 213 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: all a George Show's funded conspiracy. So I always have 214 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: to give Dirk a little bit of a guff. This year, 215 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: Dirk is getting just destroyed in the Pink versus the 216 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: Maverick sales. So I do want to point that out. 217 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: I'm not competitive at all, but he's just getting crushed. 218 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't know is George Show is What 219 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: I always say is Dirk is able to rally like 220 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: a lot of the junior high girls that they like 221 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: to l hunt and I think he's got an ability 222 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: to market to that group and that segment, and Dirk 223 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: really gets them going. And sometimes you can put some 224 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: pressure on the Pink. But no, the Maverick is yah. 225 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's seventh or eighth in the in 226 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: the lineup. You know, everybody should try the Pink and 227 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: they all getting aside. It's a great call. It you know, 228 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: it works, It works great for a lot of people. 229 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,599 Speaker 1: I tend to like a little bit lighter latex is 230 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: why I like the Pink. But no the Maverick's great. 231 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: It just really and I don't want to sound like 232 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: a used car salesman where I'm telling people to buy 233 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: lots of different calls. But it really does come down 234 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: to the style of coller you are and what type 235 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: of call you prefer. But no, I would say the 236 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: majority of what we make will fit the majority of 237 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: the callers out there, in one one way or another. 238 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: Next question from the Elk Addicts forum comes in from 239 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: Gordy Doug. When Elk are in close and he says 240 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: in parentheses, in some videos I see hunters talking, it 241 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: seems to me you should be dead quiet. Does this 242 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: affect your stock? So I would say yes and no. 243 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: A lot of times we're trying to communicate with the caller. 244 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: We're trying to communicate with the camera guy what we see. 245 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: I after doing this enough, you know what you can 246 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: get away with. 247 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 2: Now. 248 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: Movement, I would definitely try to to you know, limit 249 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: your movement. Uh is is that is that's going on? 250 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: You don't want to be picked off by turning your head. 251 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: But if somebody is close by you and you can 252 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: talk without turning your head, and I can let Dirk 253 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: know what's going on, or my camera guy know what's 254 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: going on until that elk gets Unless it's dead quiet 255 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: and that elk is very very close, you can get 256 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: away with quite a bit of talking where these these 257 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: animals are not going to pick you up. 258 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: You know. 259 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: Whether it's white tailed deer hunting, We've we've played around 260 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: with that, you know. I've been able to call in 261 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of elk to very close ranges, and 262 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: you just get comfortable with what you can. 263 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: Get away with. 264 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 1: I would say very rarely, if at all, in the 265 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: last ten years, I've been picked off by talking. Now movement, yes, 266 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: drawing your boat at the wrong time for sure, but 267 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: the actual vocal talking and relaying information to your team, 268 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: you know, whether it's your caller, whether it's your camera guy. 269 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: I just I don't feel that it's it's been that big, 270 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: big of an issue, you know, And and that's that's 271 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: my opinion on that. But everybody I would always say, 272 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm more so. I don't want to add 273 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: turkey hunting in because we're all dead set on elk 274 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: and we're getting excited for elk, But on the turkey 275 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: calling side, I'm way more reserved. 276 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 2: I won't talk. 277 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: I won't blink, I won't turn, I won't look at 278 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: anybody because it is critical and these dang turkeys will 279 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: pick me off doing stuff that I never thought I 280 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: would get caught with. But they still allow a lot 281 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: of talking. They just don't allow any movement or any 282 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: of that. And so with Elk we found that you 283 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: even get more freedom for some light vocalizations. Now, obviously 284 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 1: you're not gonna talk over your breath, you're kind of 285 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: talking under your breath. You're you're very subtle quiet sounds, 286 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: and you can get away with a lot. Is the 287 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: bulls coming in Now you put me in a situation 288 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: where it's dead calm, I'm gonna probably tend to be 289 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: more quiet. Are there situations where you won't bugle? Yes, 290 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: there are situations. There aren't seasons or tags that I 291 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: won't if the bulls are rudding or are bugling. My 292 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three Oregon hunt is a great, you know, 293 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: a great example of where I won't bugle. You know, 294 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: for those that don't know, I had a great tag 295 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: in organ bulls are very vocal, lots of line of 296 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: pressure around. Everything's kind of working. But me and Dirk 297 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: talk multiple times, and we run a very similar system 298 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: that we have so much trust in our system we 299 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: hardly unwaiver from it where we're unwavering. And this has 300 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: worked enough times. If we run this plan enough times 301 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: on enough bulls, it's eventually gonna pay off for us. 302 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: So last year in Oregon, I'm nine or ten days in, 303 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: had lots of opportunity, lots of things going our way, 304 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: but I just couldn't make anything work. I would get 305 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: the wind right, move into one hundred and fifty yards, 306 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: do everything like I was supposed to. 307 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 2: Bugle. They would take. 308 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: Off, like, well, that's not how this is supposed to work. 309 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: You're supposed to get close, bugle and have that bull 310 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: come challenge you. So you did it again, same results, 311 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: did it again. So then in my mind, I'm lowering 312 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: the threat level. All right, I'm gonna now stop doing 313 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: what I've seen work for the last twenty years very consistently. 314 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go move in and I'm in a cow call. 315 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: Same similar results, Like maybe you would get a bowl 316 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: to pull your way a little bit and then take off, 317 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: or maybe you would get a bowl to pull in, 318 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: you know, or some cows to come your way, but 319 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: just wasn't working out in my favor. 320 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 2: And so finally, on I. 321 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: Don't remember if it was day nine or ten or 322 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: when we finally killed I told you know, I was. 323 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: I was hunting solo on that with just a camera guy. 324 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: And I told David Frame, like, all right, today we're 325 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: chasing every bugle and we're not going to talk. So 326 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: we started this program. We're diving a thousand feet off 327 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: the road to chase a bugle, and just I found 328 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: myself returning to our system. I didn't want a bugle, 329 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: but then in my head, I thought, well, that's our 330 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: best our best option right now, bugle runaway. I'm like, 331 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: all right, we're still chasing every bugle. So we're just 332 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: grinding it out on the day that I ultimately kill MYLK. 333 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: We're chasing beagles, we're dropping here, we're hunting hard, we're dropping, 334 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: you know, tons of elevation, we're climbing tons of elevation. 335 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: And finally I looked at Dave. I said, hey, this 336 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: whole plan of us chasing every bugle and not calling 337 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: isn't working out. Like I just I don't seem to 338 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: jive with that plan very well. I always somehow talk 339 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: myself into calling or and it's just not working. Like 340 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: at this point where we're dead tired, it's getting late 341 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: in the evening. We stop at a spot, and so 342 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: when I say won't bugle, I'm talking about like getting 343 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: the bull to commit to with an archery range. I 344 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 1: will still always bugle to try to locate a bull, 345 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 1: because what happens is, even though they may not come 346 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: into the call, when you do get close, a lot 347 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: of times they will answer a distant location beugle. 348 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: To let you know that they're in the area. 349 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:38,959 Speaker 1: So we stop at a spot with about an hour 350 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: and a half a day light left and a bol response. 351 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: And I didn't think we had a super high probabibility, 352 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: but I can't talk a super high probability of calling 353 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: that bowl. And we hurried around and we leave our 354 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: pack in our truck. We leave, you know, all of 355 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: our lights. We just we grab nothing but our bow 356 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 1: and camera. I have my bow and you know, my 357 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 1: five erro was my quiver, and my camera guy's got 358 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: his camera. We literally leave everything else. So there's no 359 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: way that I'm gonna try to bugle. I don't have 360 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: a bugle, toube I don't even I didn't even bring 361 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: a diaphragm unless I think there was maybe some on 362 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: my my bino harness, but I wasn't even thinking about 363 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: using him. And we just let this bowl talk on 364 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: his own. We we work up in there. We had, 365 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: you know, at times I wanted to try to make 366 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: a bugle to get that thing to answer, but he 367 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: was biggling on his own enough times that we had 368 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: kind of pinpointed his location. And then as we moved in, 369 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: we could spot some cows up ahead, and finally we 370 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: were able to kind of spot his horns. He was 371 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 1: bedded down at the edge of a meadow. And then 372 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: from then we just we gotten a single file line. 373 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: We put the biggest tree in between us and him 374 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: that we thought would get to a shot distance, and 375 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: we literally just walk in a single file line with 376 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: his head behind this tree for us. 377 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 2: And we we we just we wait. We walk in. 378 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: I arranged the tree that he's behind at thirty eight yards. 379 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 1: He's a couple of yards behind it, so I figured 380 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: we're forty. I get down on you know, we get 381 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: ready for the shot. We get on our knees. We're 382 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: kind of in some pines and so that was one 383 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: chance where I knew they were alk around. There were 384 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: a lot of balls biggling, but they just did not 385 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,239 Speaker 1: seem to want to be bothered with bugling. And as 386 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: an elk hunter, that is more concerned, like, my ultimate 387 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: priority is finding success, no matter if it is, you know, 388 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 1: calling in a bigling bowl, or if it is being quiet, 389 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: or if it is lucking into one as you're walking 390 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: down the trail, like whatever it is, I'm always trying 391 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: to stack those odds in my favor. And enough time 392 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: had went by on this hunt and enough situations that 393 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: really had me leaning towards don't bugle. It is going 394 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: to be your best success. And so there are times 395 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: when I've ran the system enough times, the wind is 396 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: swirlly enough that I don't want an elk to start 397 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: to commit to my location. All of those things, there 398 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: are situations where we won't bugle, and that was that 399 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: was a good example of one that And as the 400 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: first ball I've ever killed with my bow that I 401 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: didn't call into archery range. How often do you bugle 402 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: on a hunt? So for those of us that maybe 403 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 1: watch some of the videos we put together, it seems 404 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 1: like we're bugling all the time, and we probably get 405 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: a bit, you know, a bad rap that all we 406 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: do is bugle. We're overcalling, We're we're educating the elk, 407 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: And so I do want to I do want to 408 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: talk about that a little bit. Similar to the first question. 409 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: I bugle when i feel like I've got a good 410 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:40,959 Speaker 1: chance or good probability of uh uh, you know, a 411 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: good chance of getting a response. So I really limit 412 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: limit my calling to where it's going to be good. 413 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: But with that said, if I'm in in good elk 414 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: sign and if I'm in a good area where I'm 415 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: calling every two to three hundred yards. Now, to go 416 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: back to the video, A lot of times, what are 417 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: you on a hunt? When we're going to edit it, 418 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: there's not a lot you know, people don't want to 419 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: just see you walking down a trail all the time, 420 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: and so a lot of what you get is us 421 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: bugling because there's some action involved or maybe a response involved. 422 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: But in reality, you get to see a glimpse in 423 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: about one percent of the time we're on the ground, 424 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: and it just looks or it appears that we're always bugling. 425 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: So on a hunt, I liked I liked the beagle 426 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: as much as I feel gives me an advantage, and 427 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: that's hard to figure out. But anytime I get to 428 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: a new finger ridge, anytime I get to an. 429 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 2: Area, I will bugle to. 430 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: See if I can get a response in that area 431 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: that I don't think have they either not heard my 432 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: bugle's up to this point not had a chance to respond, 433 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: And by keeping us a pretty set cadence or a 434 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: set distance, a lot of times it will happen is 435 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: I will pass an area beagle from there and then 436 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: get a bull that will be agle back where I 437 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: just was, or closer to a location I just buggled 438 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: from for no rhyme or reason. I don't know if 439 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: they're feeding, or if they were around and didn't hear 440 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: your bugle or just didn't want to respond. From there, 441 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: we can get a bowl to respond in a different location. 442 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,719 Speaker 1: And so a lot of times I stick to a 443 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 1: somewhat normal cadence too, three four hundred yards on a 444 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: ridge line or in an area that an elk, because 445 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: we have seen it enough on the ground that a 446 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: bowl will finally respond. So yeah, there are instances where 447 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: if I've got really fresh signed on the ground, I 448 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 1: may start with just allowed calcol and see if they 449 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: bugle to that, if I'm not always ripping a bugle. 450 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: It seems like that when you when you see some 451 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: of our hunts and the way that we we teach 452 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: some of this stuff. But in reality, we're just bugling 453 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: enough to give us an advantage or to get the 454 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,959 Speaker 1: game started by by getting another bowl to respond. So 455 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: that's that's my answer on that one. So Kevin Hopman 456 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: is the next question, is it better to sound like 457 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: Doug Flutie than it is to sound lifelike? And so 458 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 1: I have to explain Doug Flutie. It was a term 459 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: that we dirt kind of coined a few years ago, where, uh, 460 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, Doug Fluteie is somebody that you can very 461 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: easily tell is as a person blowing on an elk call. 462 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: You know, whether it's one of the old school tubes 463 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: that would you know, click up, click through the tones. 464 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 2: Do Lulu, do lulu? You know the flute sound. 465 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: Or so are you saying is there a time we're 466 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: sounding that way is better than to sound lifelike. The 467 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: way that Kevin sees this is if I sound fluty, 468 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: other hunters may stay away from me and the bowl 469 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 1: that they're pursuing. But if I sound too real, they 470 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: may hunt me and the bowl, so I can't. I 471 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: don't feel like I can win. 472 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 2: Man. 473 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: I'm always for sounding as lifelike as possible, but I 474 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: also acknowledge that some of the worst sounding elk I've 475 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: ever heard are real elk. You know, We've talked about 476 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: this multiple times. So I don't I I'm gonna do 477 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: whatever is the most likely to call that bowl into 478 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: my location. If that means I have to sound like 479 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: like a Doug Flutie and you know, do the ups 480 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: and downs and you know, roll through the notes, I 481 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: will do it. But I also feel there are times 482 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: where I want to sound as lifelike as possible. I 483 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: want to sound like the real thing. And I don't 484 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: know if woodsmanship is the right word, but I want 485 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: to be is as realistic sounding as possible. 486 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 2: Why I'm out in the woods. 487 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you may get other people chasing you in those instances. 488 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: You know, in a few spots I've hunted in Colorado, 489 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: you can hear two or three bugles from the same 490 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: location and you're trying. I'm trying to be very quiet 491 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: and just chase real bowl. 492 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 2: Bugles. 493 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: But at times I needed to make a call when 494 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: I was in there, and I would just call quieter 495 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: enough that that bowl can hear me. I would switch 496 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: to groans and moans, which if you're not a skilled caller, 497 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: can sometimes not sound right. I'll do light little We'll 498 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 1: do light little chuckles that are just just like under 499 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: the breath type chuckles that are gonna work if I 500 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: feel that making a bowl call is going to be 501 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: the best. But I'm not saying the way I do 502 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: it's right. I just like to, you know, for reasons 503 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: and pride reasons, call as good as I can all 504 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: the time, you know, as often as possible, and try 505 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: to mimic the real thing. Sean Johnstone maybe talk about 506 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: how barometric pressure plays a big part in Coasta Roosevelt hunting. 507 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 2: Man. 508 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: I wish I could say, I pay attention now. I 509 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: will say, you know, barometric pressure. You know, high pressure 510 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: is good. 511 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 2: I like. 512 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: But what I don't like when I'm hunting deer l 513 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: because I don't like to be on the change. I 514 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: don't want to go from low too high, or from 515 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: high to low. I just assume not hunt. And you 516 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: know I shouldn't say that I'm always going to be hunting, 517 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: But I found that hunting is better either on a 518 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: steady low or a steady high, with the transitions being 519 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: the worst. But then if I had to pick a 520 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: low pressure or a high pressure, I will almost always 521 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: take that clear high pressure zone sitting over the area. 522 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: So I like it to be cold and crisp. I 523 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 1: like to have clear days. Don't get me wrong. I've 524 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: had some amazing rosevelt A hunting when it's just pouring 525 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: down rain. You know, low pressure systems moved in, but 526 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: it's typically, like I said, on that second or third 527 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: day of it. They don't like to be in that 528 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 1: transition and change. So for what that's worth, I like 529 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: to be on you know, day two or three into 530 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: high pressure if I can. If not, I'd like to 531 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: be day two or three into a low pressure. And 532 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 1: ideally the hunting has never been as good during the switches, 533 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: but it also is we're limited by days and time, 534 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: so I'm still out there hunting and we've still managed 535 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: to find success during those times. 536 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 2: And the other thing is, you know you can you 537 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 2: can predict the moon. 538 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: The moon pha is long enough in advance to to 539 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: schedule your vacation. You can figure all these things out, 540 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: but you'll never be able to like understand unless you've 541 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: got the liberty or the freedom to take certain days off. 542 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: You're basically gonna have to plan your vacation or your 543 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: time and just go hunt with what you're given. So 544 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: you really can't plan around it unless you do have 545 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: the ability to take a day off. And then I 546 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,239 Speaker 1: would say high pressure after a couple of days of 547 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: you know, consistent high pressure is going to be your 548 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: best bet for elk in activity. So Zach gil is 549 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: asking when hunting thicker timber, which growing up in southwest 550 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: Washington really close to the coast is what I'm used 551 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: to hunting thick timber with only a few parks and 552 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 1: meadows the glass, how many miles do you hike hike 553 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: in with no calls or random bugles do you go 554 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: before you're looking to move on? So it's a great question, Zach. 555 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: A lot of these times, and not only pairs with audible. 556 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 1: I'm I'm gathering as much information as I can so 557 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: I will go look. My favorite place to look on 558 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: these areas is is there a trail that seems to 559 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 1: intersect a lot of these thick timber patches, or can 560 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: I build a trail that goes through these thick timber patches. 561 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,479 Speaker 1: I'm just looking like, is there an area where like 562 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: sign's better or worse? Was it closer to the truck 563 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: or is it better? The further I get in here, 564 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: I will go to these fringes where the thick timber 565 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 1: meets the parks and meadows. A lot of these fringe 566 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: areas holds the majority of the elk or that's where 567 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: they like to be. Is there sign there? 568 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 2: How many? 569 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: And then he kind of asked how many miles we 570 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: hike in with no calls aroundom I'm always calling. Now 571 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: if I'm in a flat or I'm in an area 572 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: that's like a solid continuous slope, I may not call 573 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 1: as much with no real spot to to to have 574 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: an advantage area. You know, if I'm if I'm running 575 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: into the terrain brakes or if I'm wrapping around a ridge, 576 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: I will call as I move around that. But I 577 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: will call occasionally, or if I run into some warm 578 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: sign or some some hot sign, I will call to 579 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: make sure that I'm not going to move forward and 580 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: kind of run into or bump elk dirt or in 581 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: front of me. So yeah, I'm I'm kind of always 582 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: calling and letting out random location bugles before I look 583 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: to move on. Now, as far as how long or 584 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: how far do I hike in before I decide to 585 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: move on, it really depends on how the terrain and 586 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: the area lays out. Is there easier ways to get 587 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: to the areas that are coming up? Are there ways 588 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: that you know, is there an easier way to get here? Like, 589 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: I'm not going to overwork myself getting into an area 590 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: if it's easier for somebody to come from the other way. 591 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: There are times now if I'm spiking out or I'm 592 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: already in there and committed, then the extra work. I 593 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: will tend to gravitate that way, especially if the elk 594 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: you know, have me going that way. But there's you know, 595 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if you're looking for how many miles 596 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: to hike in, some of my day hunts will be 597 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: you know, maximum of seven to ten miles in and 598 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: seven to ten miles out. We've did We've did a 599 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: lot of you know, twelve to twenty mile days where 600 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: it's a lot of you know, go in this way. 601 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: I don't like to backtrack if possible. So I try 602 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: to plan roots where I can go out this ridge. 603 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: Maybe I have to drop across the canyon and come 604 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: back a different ridge system. It lets me cover more 605 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: ground and in less time. As I'm as I'm trying 606 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: to find elk, So I don't really have a minror 607 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: of Max. 608 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 2: That's really what do I have to do to. 609 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: Find the elk that are within the area? And uh, 610 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: like I say, I'm I'm calling. I'm calling as I'm 611 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: as I'm walking, you know, or as I'm walking to 612 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: spots that hey, I can now bugle over this side 613 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: of the ridge, or I can bogle down into this drainage, 614 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: or there's a little pocket basin, or there's a hanging meadow, 615 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: or there's a you know, whatever it may be. I 616 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: will bugle in all of those because if I don't 617 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: find elk, I'm not coming back anyways. So I'm I'm 618 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: kind of pulling out all the stops as I go 619 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: through here, and you know, before I move on to 620 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: a different spot within the unit. Next question comes from 621 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: Ross Sharp. He's here in Washington. He's asking a little 622 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: a question. I know what he wants the answer to be, 623 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: how do you tag your animal. So I he runs 624 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: ELK crazy company. He's got a tag wallet that that 625 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: you can put your tag in kind of zip it 626 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: up and then attach it to the animal. Make sure 627 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: it doesn't doesn't fall off. For me, the major I think, 628 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: aside from Washington now and and maybe Idaho, every state 629 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: that I hunt now has like E tagging, So a 630 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: lot of my tags And maybe I'm a dummy for 631 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: for electing into that system, but I do like, you know, 632 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: some of these systems. It's gonna it's ultimately gonna help 633 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: poaching and whatnot. You have to document where your animal 634 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: is killed, you know all that. I don't like it 635 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: for for sharing information if that's what the fishing wail 636 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: life departments end up using it for. But I honestly 637 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: I end up E tagging the majority of these states 638 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: I've hunted, and then you know, tagging the animal. You know, 639 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: so far, I've just I've been using just uh you know, 640 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: the old school electrical tape. Still I haven't haven't lost anything. 641 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: But you know, Ross Russ has a good little company there. 642 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: You know, it gives back conservation. It's called a tag wallet. 643 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: If you still have physical tags, go check that out. Uh, 644 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: next question comes from Warren Warren Joiner thick Idaho timber, 645 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: also known as brushy rocky sholes, walking miles to find Elk. 646 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: Are you calling the whole time as you're walking with 647 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: cal calls and bugles are alternating and just sounding like ELK? 648 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: Or are you trying to sneak up on them to 649 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: surprise them with the bugle? So I would say my 650 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: answer to that, Warren is a little bit of both. 651 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: So I would say one of the reasons I don't hunt, 652 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: you know, the North Idaho timber anymore, is because I 653 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: came from an area that's very, very similar. You know, 654 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: big canyons, lots of timber. We log probably a little 655 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: more active now than they did in North Idaho. But 656 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: I just I don't I don't like not knowing what's ahead, 657 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: and it seems like never ending timbers. So, as I 658 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: just mentioned a lot of times, if you've got parks, 659 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: you've got meadows, you've got spots you can get to. 660 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: But if everything looks the same for for a long 661 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: ways out, I feel the best way for me to 662 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: locate Elk is to continue calling as I move through 663 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: the woods. I want to know that that bull's there. 664 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: Before I just the chances of me walking and sneaking 665 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: up on elk seems to be very very low. A 666 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: lot of times they will pick up sound, they'll be 667 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: looking your way. Now if I know they're there, I 668 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: can definitely, like you know, move in on them. So 669 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: if you if they're if they're locating or biggling on 670 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: their own. A lot of times I will go in 671 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: there and sneak in because I may not want to 672 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: make a peep prior to but if I get to 673 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: an area of vegetation or terrain that just does not 674 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: allow me to move any closer, I'm typically gonna call 675 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: because I don't want to risk sneaking up on them 676 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: or getting getting picked off. So I'm typically calling the 677 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: whole time as I'm walking. I will just you know, 678 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: if I'm walking through or at a faster pace, I'll 679 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: let a cow call out every here and you know, 680 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: every now and then see if I get an answer, 681 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: it would maybe calm down, you know, elk that may 682 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: be suspect, you know, up ahead of you. But I 683 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: do like to bugle because I like to know if 684 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: I continue in this direction that there's elk around me, 685 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: and the way I like to look at. It is 686 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: if if you imagine yourself, you know, on the topo map, 687 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: and what you can see from your little circle, you're 688 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: able to cover. Let's say, let's just say for conversation's sake, 689 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: you can see one hundred yards around you. But if 690 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: I bugle, I've now just touched hopefully every elk that's 691 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: five hundred yards around me for an answer. So I 692 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: think a lot of the listeners are probably starting to 693 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: figure out that we don't We don't put our eggs 694 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: in a basket. Like I don't plan on coming back 695 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: to a spot unless it's got action, it's got elk 696 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,280 Speaker 1: that are ready to play the game, it's got something 697 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: that makes me want to come back. So a lot 698 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: of times now I will hunt a spot and then 699 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: come back maybe seven or eight days later, if I 700 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: seen something that I like or it's like historically held 701 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 1: elk and I think that maybe they move back in there, 702 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: or maybe some hunting pressure later in the season has 703 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 1: brought them back. But a lot of times I will 704 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: write a spot off because there's so many other good 705 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: spots or good looking spots that I want to go 706 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 1: check out within the unit. So I'm bugling I don't 707 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: feel it can do any harm I've got, you know. 708 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: And the other thing is if you're assuming you can 709 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: only see a hundred yards versus it you know, the area, 710 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: the amount of area you're able to hunt, quote unquote 711 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: is a whole lot bigger as you're bugling walking around 712 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: than it is if you're just walking and using your 713 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,760 Speaker 1: your visual There are. 714 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 2: Times, I guess if. 715 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: We've all been there, you're you're on a trail, you're 716 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: on a ridge system, and you cut very very fresh 717 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,320 Speaker 1: elk tracks. You know, not a needle in the track. 718 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: You know, something that doesn't allude to you know, them 719 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,720 Speaker 1: being old, like they're very fresh. You maybe smell elk, 720 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: you know, fresh turned up dirt sitting on top of 721 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,240 Speaker 1: the ferns and the salal or the grass like nothing's 722 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: moved that yet, and you take those as very fresh elk. 723 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: I may figure out which way the elk are going, 724 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: try to make a plan, you know, either through on 725 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: X or just by looking at at the terrain that's 726 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: in front of me, and I may make a decision. 727 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: I think these elk for this time of day are 728 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: probably bedded down in there. They were here within the 729 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: last twelve fourteen hours, you know, or whatever. It may 730 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: be twenty four at the worst, I may elect to 731 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: go try to track these things as far as I 732 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: can or getting close, and that has worked out. So 733 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: I would say, you know, anywhere, not just necessarily you know, steep, timber, rocky, 734 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,800 Speaker 1: you know, hell holes, but anywhere that I cross fresh 735 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: elk sign, I may elect to be quiet, you know, 736 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 1: especially if the elk aren't biggling on their own, I'll 737 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: just I'll be quiet, get on the tracks and go 738 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: try to tract those down. And I'm always assuming for 739 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: the month of September even into the middle of October, 740 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: that if I cross elk tracks, whether I can see 741 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,760 Speaker 1: a bull track or not, I'm assuming that there's always 742 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: a bowl, you know, with those with with the elk tracks, 743 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 1: until I prove otherwise. So that's uh, that's my opinion 744 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: on that. I'm always calling a little bit. I may 745 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,800 Speaker 1: call more sparingly in the Timber, but it just it 746 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 1: increases my odds as I'm hunting to get an answer 747 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: or to get the game started, versus relying on sneaking 748 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: in on them if they're talking or if they're betted 749 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,879 Speaker 1: down or not talking. Uh. The last question I've got 750 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: for you guys today, which is a little bit of 751 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,240 Speaker 1: a joke from one of my hunting partners, Tyson Drevnock, 752 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 1: about my buddy Charlie Smith. Will Charlie Smith ever killing 753 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: elk again? I really hope so. Uh, I was joking 754 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: with Charlie the other day the last elkie killed. I 755 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: think he's on a seven year dry spell. The last 756 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 1: elk we killed, we have a hunter together forever was 757 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 1: a bowl I called in form in Idaho, which he 758 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: actually it was his wife's turn to hunt, and somehow 759 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: Charlie ended up being the shooter but called a nice 760 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: little six point into him and. 761 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 2: Uh he was able to to shoot that. 762 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 1: But uh, I'm really hoping he uh he uh man, 763 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: he can he can get off of this bad luck 764 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: streak that he's on. You know, it's it's it's unfortunate. 765 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: He just he's just struggling. But I have to laugh 766 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,320 Speaker 1: because my buddies are they're ruthless, and they they wanted 767 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: to always, you know, give each other a little bit 768 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: of guff on on who's gonna who's gonna kill first? 769 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,359 Speaker 1: And what and so uh, I think Tyson for making 770 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 1: me laugh a little bit on where it will. Charlie Smith, 771 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure he'll kill an elk again. He might just 772 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: have to draw another special tag or have me go 773 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,919 Speaker 1: call for him again. But Charlie will eventually kill an elk. 774 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure, but uh no. We really appreciate all these 775 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 1: questions coming in from the Elk addicts. Once again, you 776 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:50,280 Speaker 1: have questions for me or my guests or Dirking his guests, 777 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: feel free to email them to us at c T 778 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: D at phelpsgame Calls dot com, or hit us up 779 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: on social media. Send us a message and we'll do 780 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: our best to get him included here. Elk seasons right 781 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: around the corner. We're we're practicing our calling. We're starting 782 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: to get our bows set up, figuring out our arrow 783 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: set up, our broad heads. Like everything is in in 784 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,320 Speaker 1: in full swing, and before you know it, you know, 785 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,439 Speaker 1: we're only two months, two and a half months out 786 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: from everything needed to be dialed. It's time to start 787 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 1: thinking about elk uh. It's it's it's by far my 788 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: favorite type of hunting. You're you're out there with a like, 789 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: i say, an eight hundred pound you know, screaming giant. 790 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 1: It's it's a lot of fun. Nothing quite gets your 791 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: adrenaline up like archery el cunting, and I'm I'm so 792 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 1: looking forward to it. But yeah, I keep sending your 793 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:41,800 Speaker 1: all cutting questions in I'm sure you're gonna get a 794 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,760 Speaker 1: healthy dose over the next two and a half months 795 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 1: elk centric before you know, the white tail and mildeary 796 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 1: season gets here. We'll kind of switch gears there, but 797 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: you're gonna get a whole heavy You're gonna get a 798 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: heavy dose of elk hunting here for the next little bit. 799 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 2: So appreciate all you. 800 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,919 Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning into cutting the distance, and until next time, 801 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 1: take care. Non