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Speaker 1: Red scenes rising up.

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Speaker 4: Temperaturizing vision, flurry, rage taking over.

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Speaker 3: Here's Paul Calvic. I'mready. I'm one hundred percent ready. I'm

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Speaker 2: And Ron wolf Sleep.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't get any better than that.

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Speaker 3: U leash the fjord, Ron Wolfley. I have a question.

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Speaker 3: Are you familiar with the NFL name Sonny Weaver Junior?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yes, He's a scout, isn't he someone?

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Speaker 3: Sonny Weaver Junior is the fictional character Kevin Costner played

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Speaker 3: make a franchise changing trade. It is all part of

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Speaker 3: our discussion here tonight on the Big Red Rage presented

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Speaker 3: I would say this that the great ones know how

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Speaker 1: What is it you think we're going to do? You

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Speaker 1: There is misinformation, and there is disinformation, and disinformation is

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Speaker 3: According to the Insiders, guess who has been visiting the

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Speaker 3: No doubt. And now there's all the news and noise

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Speaker 6: I learned about the trade request over the last several days,

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Speaker 6: You know, you don't want to use the second round

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Speaker 3: And he is the heartbeat of that defense. He is

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Speaker 1: Boy, This is really a tough situation right now, Paully,

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Speaker 1: because if you're the Arizona Cardinals, you're not going to

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Speaker 1: At the same time, I'm willing to admit you've got

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Speaker 3: Paul, he has the same agent as Derwin James. Derwin

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Speaker 3: So I don't know if that's a potential game plan.

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Speaker 3: Here's what I do know is the decision makers of

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Speaker 3: Here's the question, does he want a new deal or

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Speaker 1: Right. And you know, even though Kyler Murray never asked

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Speaker 1: That's when we sign you to a long term contract.

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Speaker 3: And I get it to a degree. Jesse Bates just

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Speaker 3: All right, we'll talk draft when we come back. Who

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Speaker 7: Takes a shot back son when he's picked up the

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Speaker 3: This is a bigger, longer corner, dude.

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Speaker 8: But why they are continuing to test him is beyond me.

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Speaker 7: Right side and it's biped top again it's Christian Gonzales.

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Speaker 7: Go the second intersection this code, find.

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Speaker 3: Out where zero is and go the other way.

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Speaker 7: M Christian good Zalas man, she had a great here.

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Speaker 3: He has the size, he has the speed, he has

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Speaker 3: I don't know what Atlanta at eight. Could they be

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Speaker 3: Ron Wolfley on the Big Red Rage presented by santan

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Speaker 3: this report out there Michael Lombardi, longtime NFL front office man.

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Speaker 3: You're familiar with Michael Lombardi, former GM. He's on with

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Speaker 3: Pat McAfee this past week and he says he does

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Speaker 3: not believe that Houston will draft C. J. Stroud. This

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Speaker 3: narrative is gathering steam. Ron Wolfley. In fact, he went

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Speaker 3: on to say, Michael Lombardi, I'm quoting. I think teams

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Speaker 1: Wolf.

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Speaker 3: So we'll start here and we'll work our way in

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Speaker 3: Will Anderson has already been taken a pick before by Houston.

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Speaker 1: That's a great question right there, Pully. But can I

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Speaker 1: just say right now that I'll believe all this draft

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Speaker 1: he might even be repeating that information to help a

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Speaker 3: Well, let's see Nick Asario, the Texas JYM. Where did

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Speaker 1: Hello, That's what I'm talking about Pully. So you never

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Speaker 1: know about this stuff, whether it's true or not. I'll

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Speaker 1: believe it when I actually see it. That CJ. Stroud

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Speaker 1: I believe that they that he is. I believe there

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe the Houston Texans love themselves a

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Speaker 1: So if the Panthers are gonna take Bryce Young number one,

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Speaker 1: we'll trade out of there, or we'll just take Will Anderson.

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Speaker 1: That to me, is not the worst thing that could

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Speaker 1: But if they had to trade out of that spot,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna get a truck low from somebody, somebody not

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Speaker 3: By the way, Bryce Young he canceled all visits after

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Speaker 3: getting past number two and most likely going number one

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Speaker 4: What if the run on quarterbacks gets a little bit delayed,

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Speaker 4: that's not gonna happen. I don't believe. And we've seen

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Speaker 4: I think, Indianapolis thinks there's a real chance right now

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Speaker 3: cove it? And you're telling me that as CJ. Stroud,

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Speaker 3: And because there's scorched earth between Houston ownership and management

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Speaker 3: I'm not buying that whatsoever. Houston has done a heck

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Speaker 3: I do know that mel Kiper and Todd McShay, they

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Speaker 1: Matt, I love all this, Polly. This is what it's

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Speaker 1: There were a lot of intangibles that Bryce Young brings

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a coincidence. We're starting to hear

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Speaker 1: that's a real possibility as to what happened here, Paul.

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Speaker 3: And that's one of the reasons why the reports were

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Speaker 3: not end up with that. Let me ask you this, Wolf,

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, that is a great question, Paul.

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Speaker 3: They need defensive line help something fierce.

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Speaker 1: Paul, are you okay? I'll ask you, Paul, since you've

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Speaker 3: Does the D and D line stand for dire need? Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: But no, I agree there's too much. There's too much

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Speaker 3: that just recently experienced Robert Kiindichi, who was also arguably

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Speaker 1: picture up for MONTI assen for it in regard to

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Speaker 1: what he's gonna do, and I think what he would

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Speaker 1: do is trade down in that situation and maybe just

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Speaker 1: gather a vivy of picks that would be impossible to

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Speaker 1: turn down.

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Speaker 3: By the way, Will Anderson update desk, he was on

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Speaker 3: Good Morning Football this week, said he had a top

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Speaker 3: thirty visit recently with Houston and Demiko ryans Uh. He

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Speaker 3: was asked about the narrative that he's the safe pick,

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Speaker 3: that if you want upside in this draft at his position,

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Speaker 3: you go Tyree Wilson, or if you want a game

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Speaker 3: wrecker on the defensive line, you go Jalen Carter, and

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Speaker 3: his answer was, I'm not the safe pick. I'm the

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Speaker 3: right pick. So let that hang out there.

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Speaker 1: Lost ball to Oh my goodness. I just love that

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Speaker 1: guy for the tangibles of course on the field in

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Speaker 1: between the white lines, but also the intangibles that he

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Speaker 1: brings the fact that I think he's going to be

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Speaker 1: a transcendent player that makes his teammates around him better.

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Speaker 3: Once again, Will Anderson visiting the Seahawks today. Reportedly, the

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Speaker 3: Cardinals had in Nolan Smith on one of their top

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Speaker 3: thirty visits. So there's that, and then C. J. Stroud

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Speaker 3: visiting Atlanta. You know, Atlanta's been too quiet in this thing.

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Speaker 3: You can't tell me that they're not thinking quarterback and

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Speaker 3: maybe they come up with the Cardinals. We'll see. Check

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Speaker 3: out the latest episodes of The Day Pash Podcast vir

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Speaker 3: pash pod. Manti Austin Fort's first draft is GM that

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Speaker 3: is next in the Big Red Rage every day.

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Speaker 9: I asked Mini, I'm like, Money, what you doing with

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Speaker 9: that pick? What you doing with that pick? He's like,

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Speaker 9: you know what I'm doing with that pick? I don't

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Speaker 9: know what you're doing with that pick. But a lot

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Speaker 9: of flexibility I think that we have with that because

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Speaker 9: of where we're at, and I know he's got all

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Speaker 9: the different options, how he wants to do things, and

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Speaker 9: what we're looking to get out of the certain options

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Speaker 9: if he chooses to move out of it.

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Speaker 3: There you go. Jonathan Gannon last month in the media.

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Speaker 3: So let's focus on the middle of that sound bite

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Speaker 3: where he's impersonating money Asinport, who supposedly retorts to JG,

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Speaker 3: you know what I'm doing with that pick? Really has

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Speaker 3: it already been decided? Has it already been dealt?

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Speaker 8: Hmmm?

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Speaker 3: Ye, PAULI big red rage presented by santan Ford and

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Speaker 3: Gilbert That is the big red question out there, Ron Wolfley,

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Speaker 3: what do you think is it? Is there still a

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Speaker 3: decision to be made or has it already.

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Speaker 1: Been Paulie, I honestly think that it already has been made.

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Speaker 1: Having said that, though, what are they gonna do? Are

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Speaker 1: they gonna actually pick at number three? Are they gonna

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Speaker 1: trade down? You know what? Yeah, they'll get rid of

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Speaker 1: the pick, They'll go to number four to the Colts,

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Speaker 1: and they'll take will Anderson. This is what I think

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Speaker 1: is gonna happen. Pack. I continue to say that's what

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Speaker 1: I think is going to happen. Until it happens, I

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Speaker 1: won't believe anything else.

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Speaker 3: Hey, we found out later that the deal Hollywood browned

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Speaker 3: the Cardinals for the Cardinals first round pick last year

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Speaker 3: was a deal done early in the offseason January February

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Speaker 3: between Steve Kim and Eric Tacosta. The Ravens's right, it's possible,

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Speaker 3: it's plausible, it is feasible, and you really can't believe

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Speaker 3: anything anyone says in these thirty two war rooms. I mean,

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Speaker 3: here's my favorite of the week so far. Because most

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Speaker 3: of the teams are doing these pre draft press conferences.

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Speaker 3: Carolina's gim Scott Fitterer, who wants by a time spent

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Speaker 3: time in Seattle John Schneider when they drafted Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 3: So we get at the questions about Bryce Young and

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Speaker 3: the size and all that, and he cited out Russell

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Speaker 3: Wilson his senior year, Wisconsin only had three batted balls

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Speaker 3: of the line of scrimmage all season. Bryce Young had two,

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Speaker 3: So he doesn't make anything of the five foot ten statue.

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Speaker 3: I thought was interesting when you think of Kyler Murray

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Speaker 3: as well. But somebody asked him if he had asked

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Speaker 3: his head coach, Frank Wright, who he prefers as the

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Speaker 3: number one pick overall, and Fiterer told the media with

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Speaker 3: a straight face, he still hasn't asked his head coach

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Speaker 3: who he prefers in this draft.

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Speaker 10: You, but come on, that's exactly what I'm talking about, though.

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Speaker 10: That's exactly what I'm talking about right now. See to me,

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Speaker 10: why would you ever give any aid, comfort or shelter

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Speaker 10: to anyone else? Why would a general manager ever tell anybody.

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Speaker 10: That's why when all these leaks come out, I question

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Speaker 10: it immediately. I really do.

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Speaker 1: Why would a general manager ever ever tell somebody something

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Speaker 1: unless it was one false Why would you do that?

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Speaker 1: Why would you ever want anyone to know what it

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Speaker 1: is that you're doing. You wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: All Right, So we go back to his introductory press

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Speaker 3: conference the new gym Montiassin Ford, and let's listen to

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Speaker 3: what he told the media on just you know his

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Speaker 3: main focus in team building.

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Speaker 5: We're going to institute a thorough and exhaustive scouting process.

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Speaker 5: We are going to turn over every stone to find

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Speaker 5: the right players for this team. We are not just

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Speaker 5: collecting talent. We're going to build a team. We're going

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Speaker 5: to look for the right type of players. Ego will

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Speaker 5: not be tolerated in this organization. We are going to

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Speaker 5: look for focused, driven, and people that are willing to

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Speaker 5: put the team first at every step of the way.

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Speaker 3: I would say, when you look at the Cardinals free

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Speaker 3: agent signings, the Kaiser Whites, you know Zach Pascal, right, Yes,

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Speaker 3: these sort of guys who aren't just position players, they're ballers.

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Speaker 3: They're football players that are physical, They have that sort

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Speaker 3: of attitude. I would say what Mani just explained. There

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Speaker 3: is introductory press conference. He has spoken to existence with

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Speaker 3: a lot, if not most of his free agent signings. Now,

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Speaker 3: the challenge, right Ron Wolfley, is to do that in

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Speaker 3: the draft because these are college players, yeah, who have

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Speaker 3: been coached up in the interviews at the combine for example.

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Speaker 3: They don't have a proven NFL track record like some

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Speaker 3: of these free agents you signed, most of whom, by

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Speaker 3: the way, Cardinals assistant coaches had already worked with it

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Speaker 3: other teams, so they had that interaction and that personal

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Speaker 3: knowledge is said players. So there's where the margin of

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Speaker 3: eric can get extreme because you're really projecting onto these

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Speaker 3: college players.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you are, Pauli. There's no doubt. Every team, though,

548
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Speaker 1: is made up of talent, paul and toughness. And that's

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Speaker 1: what your team is made up, the percentage of talent

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Speaker 1: you have on your team and toughness. And a lot

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Speaker 1: of times there are players that combine both, Paulie, they

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Speaker 1: combine that talent and the toughness. And when you find

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Speaker 1: guys like that, that's when you bring them into the fold.

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Speaker 1: That's when you go out and you identify them as

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Speaker 1: free agents you want to bring them into your locker room,

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Speaker 1: some guys that have been around, some veterans. You want

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Speaker 1: to bring those guys in, and you want to draft

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Speaker 1: those guys as well, guys that have that toughness, that

559
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Speaker 1: mentality already down. But you need talent as well, Paully,

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Speaker 1: and that's always the difficulty if you're a general manager.

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Speaker 1: What percentage is talent that's inside that locker room and

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Speaker 1: what percentage is toughness In the combination, they're off.

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Speaker 3: And don't think the head coach doesn't value both. He

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Speaker 3: knows from a first hand experience, not only as a

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Speaker 3: coach but as a former scout. So when JG joked

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Speaker 3: earlier about pestering maniasin Fort, you know about the pick

567
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Speaker 3: and what he's going to do exactly. You know they

568
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Speaker 3: can have some pretty advanced, in depth discussions. Because Jonathan

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Speaker 3: Gannon has been part of a personnel room back before

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Speaker 3: he got into coaching full time, and he was asked

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Speaker 3: just about his confidence in Manteasin Ford's plans.

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Speaker 8: You know, the conversation every day, money, every day that

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Speaker 8: we have about that is good and he's not going

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Speaker 8: to make a move without having We've talked through the

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Speaker 8: pros and cons of that, but I feel very confident

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Speaker 8: with a couple different plans that he's laid forth, and

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Speaker 8: I'm behind him one hundred percent. I know he's going

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Speaker 8: to do whatever he can in his role to help

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Speaker 8: our group win.

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Speaker 3: So let's it zoom out beyond number three overall. You know,

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Speaker 3: we've talked about that exhaustibly, right and we're still not

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Speaker 3: exactly sure what's going to take place when you come

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Speaker 3: out of this draft. Right now, the Cardinals have eight picks.

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Speaker 3: I fully expect them to have a number of more

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Speaker 3: picks in this one. Whether it's a trade out at

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Speaker 3: number three, whether it's a trade a d hop, which

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Speaker 3: we'll get to here shortly, whether I don't know, it's

588
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Speaker 3: something out of left field, Isaiah Simmons is dealt before

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Speaker 3: they have to pick up his fifth year contract option,

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Speaker 3: or at least make that decision. Whatever, I think the

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Speaker 3: Cardinals end up with more than eight rookies, what position

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Speaker 3: groups would you like to see them address first and

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Speaker 3: foremost beyond number three overall?

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Speaker 1: Oh, paully. For me, right now, it's still the offensive

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Speaker 1: and defensive line, the line of scrimmage. I've been talking

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Speaker 1: about it all off season. Of course, you know, That's

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Speaker 1: where I think this continued rebuild needs to happen right

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Speaker 1: now on the line of scrimmage. Whether you're talking about

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Speaker 1: an offensive lineman or a defensive lineman, this is where

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Speaker 1: I think I want to see them start. How about you, Paul,

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Speaker 1: what's your take on that.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's no question you need defensive tackles. You just

603
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Speaker 3: lost JJ Watt and you lost Zach Allen. That has

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Speaker 3: to be addressed. I think a top round two that

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Speaker 3: might be the option. The place where you do that.

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Speaker 3: Cornerback would be great, and I think it's in your

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Speaker 3: top three needs, but offensive and defensive line is first

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Speaker 3: and foremost. I also believe a lot of the noise

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Speaker 3: out there about Cardinals getting a receiver at least on

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Speaker 3: Day two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: For example, that Kuiper and mcshae combo mock draft has

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Speaker 3: the Cardinals at number sixty six atop the third round

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Speaker 3: going for Tennessee receiver Cedric Tillman, who hasn't got a

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Speaker 3: lot of run this year because he only played a

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Speaker 3: handful of games. He had a high ankle sprain and

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Speaker 3: really ruined his senior season, But as a junior at Tennessee,

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Speaker 3: he had a breakout year he's six ' three, he

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Speaker 3: runs a four five four forty, had twelve touchdown catches

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Speaker 3: at Tennessee's two best games. Arguably we're against Bama and Georgia,

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Speaker 3: so there's a lot I can see them doing that.

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Speaker 3: A bigger receiver. Yeah, Quinton Johnston out of tc just.

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Speaker 1: Gonna say that ball. I was just gonna say Quentin

624
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Speaker 1: Johnston out of TCU right now. With the size he's got.

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Speaker 1: He's six three over six three and a two hundred

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Speaker 1: ten pound guy. I mean that is a big wide

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Speaker 1: receiver right there, and he's got wheels ball. He's got

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Speaker 1: some speed as well over the top, and that's one

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Speaker 1: thing I think they're gonna need. Even with Hollywood Brown.

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Speaker 1: As fast as Hollywood Brown is, we know he doesn't

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Speaker 1: have a lot of verticality in terms of height. So

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Speaker 1: I think that is something that could possibly be around

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Speaker 1: on day two right there. I'm with you on that pall,

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Speaker 1: But still I want to see them focus on the

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. And

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Speaker 1: if they happen to do that and rebuild the offense

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Speaker 1: and defensive line, that's where this team needs to improve

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Speaker 1: I think the.

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Speaker 3: Most, and specifically center. What are they gonna do at center?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Is there a veteran center that they bring in that

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Speaker 3: they their eye on that they're gonna execute after the draft?

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, Pauly like Ryan Kelly. Yeah, like Ryan Kelly

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Speaker 1: or Indianapolis Golds okay.

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Speaker 3: Or even a Ben Jones from Tennessee who was let

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Speaker 3: go and MANTIASA. Ford has that sort of knowledge of him. Now, look,

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Speaker 3: cornerback is really loaded in this draft. You could get

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Speaker 3: a viable starting cornerback a top round three that's from

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Speaker 3: most accounts. And you know, the sleeper position is still

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Speaker 3: tight end. To me, it's a really deep draft and

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Speaker 3: tight end and if you get more picks, I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: be surprised if they went that direction. All right. If

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Speaker 3: you want Cardinal season tickets, go to Ezycardinals dot com

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Speaker 3: slash tickets. We'll get in d hop and more draft

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Speaker 3: day issues. Next on the big red rage in the

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Speaker 3: middle of the finger that bulls into the plate. Wow

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Speaker 3: Off covers the helmet of the attendant.

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Speaker 1: Receiver as he gets crushed back there by Pat Tillman.

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Speaker 1: Pat Tilman.

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Speaker 10: The blade pass goes to Hayes and he gets hammered again.

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Speaker 3: By Pat Tillman throws for Mickens.

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Speaker 1: He hates the Pats at the thirty and gets blasted

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Speaker 1: by Pat Tillman out of the thirty.

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Speaker 3: One, but he gets a first down. That's what Tilman

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Speaker 3: is all about.

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Speaker 1: Runningham winds up and throws it down a bit locked

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Speaker 1: the way in complete at the forty seven yard line,

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Speaker 1: Pat Tilman knocks it away.

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Speaker 10: Patt and Tilman talk about a guy with a lot

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Speaker 10: of heart.

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Speaker 3: He just challenged the rock.

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Speaker 1: And the guy, the fastest guy in the field that

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Speaker 1: Tilman came up the winner.

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Speaker 3: I like that two hundred and twenty sixth overall. That

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Speaker 3: was the draft position Pat Tillman on this day, nineteen

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Speaker 3: ninety eight, former seventh round pick of the Arizona Cardinals,

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Speaker 3: Ron Mopefully. It's almost a rhetorical question as a seventh

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Speaker 3: round NFL draft pick ever made an impact not only

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Speaker 3: in the game but on this country like Pat Tillman.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so, Paully. What's amazing about Pat is

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Speaker 1: he was never a man that was defined by his

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Speaker 1: number or numbers. Numbers cannot define Pat Tillman. Only the

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Speaker 1: human spirit can actually look at Pat and understand what

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Speaker 1: he was all about.

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Speaker 3: Incredible pac ten defensive Player of the Year at Arizona State.

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Speaker 3: As fans around here many of them know, and he

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Speaker 3: was considered a tweener. So he fell. He fell in

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Speaker 3: the draft. He was a linebacker who was going to

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Speaker 3: have to be converted to safety, and we all know

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Speaker 3: what he did to make that first team. Cardinals went

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Speaker 3: to the playoffs, won their first playoff game in almost

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Speaker 3: fifty years with Pat Tillman as a rookie on that team,

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Speaker 3: along with Jake Plummer and company. So you know, it's amazing.

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Speaker 3: I saw another story, as we say, welcome back into

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Speaker 3: this edition of The Big Red Rage, presented by santan

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Speaker 3: Ford and Gilbert We are Santane Ford. Former New England

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Speaker 3: decision maker Scott Pioli is on the NFL new work.

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Speaker 3: He told a story recently Wolf. When he was in

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Speaker 3: a personnel office, they used to keep a frame photo

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Speaker 3: on their desks of two thousand New England draft pick

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Speaker 3: in year two thousand and fifth round tight end Dave Stakelski.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what do you know? Do you know

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Speaker 3: why they had a frame photo of Dave Stakelski.

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Speaker 1: I don't, boy.

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Speaker 3: He was he was taken one round ahead of Tom

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Speaker 3: Brady by New England, and it was a reminder to

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Speaker 3: the front office that you're not as smart as you

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Speaker 3: think you are because they took Steve Stokelski ahead of

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Speaker 3: Tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: Polly. It's one of the great things about the game

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Speaker 1: of football, it really is. You cannot measure a person's heart.

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Speaker 1: You can see it on tape, you can watch it.

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Speaker 1: And I think this is what is happening in the

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Speaker 1: NFL though. I think you're you're starting to see it

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Speaker 1: come back once again, not so much on the the

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Speaker 1: the numbers at the combine, not so much the measurables,

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Speaker 1: but coming back to a player on tape. Think about it,

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Speaker 1: that Pat Tillman two hundred and twenty sixth overall, and

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Speaker 1: when you watch Pat Tillman play the game of football,

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Speaker 1: even at ASU, you watch him play, you knew there

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Speaker 1: was something special in this kid. You could see it

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Speaker 1: on tape. Now the emphasis is coming back to that

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Speaker 1: once again. Paully and Pat will once again never be

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Speaker 1: defined by numbers.

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Speaker 3: All right, So look, there's gonna be a lot of

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Speaker 3: stuff happening between now and the Draft twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 3: and whether that includes DeAndre Hopkins remains to be seen,

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Speaker 3: but it won't be for a lack of chatter and

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Speaker 3: noise out there. How about NFL insider pac Man Jones

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Speaker 3: on the Pat McAfee show. He's had some things to

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Speaker 3: say and report, and this week included here's pac Man

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Speaker 3: on de Hop.

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Speaker 10: Our source says have said that there's a chance d

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Speaker 10: Hop still ends up in Bothwell.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, that's what I was supposed to say.

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Speaker 3: Is is the strongle possibility? Strong?

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Speaker 1: Really? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Strong possibility?

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Speaker 2: That's an update.

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Speaker 10: I'm sorry, go ahead, AJ, that's breaking this strong possibility?

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Speaker 1: Whoa is this strong possibility to mean that Lamar is

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Speaker 1: probably going to be their pack? I can't speak on it.

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Speaker 2: I'm just my sortis sizz It's a strong possibility.

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Speaker 1: It is a strong possibility right here. You know why

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Speaker 1: I know that, Polly, because it's West Virginia's West virgin Look, no,

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Speaker 1: if pac Man says that it's happening.

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Speaker 3: So you're telling me that Baltimore is going to go

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Speaker 3: from having arguably the worst receiver room in the league

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Speaker 3: to signing obj to fifteen million guaranteed worth up to

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Speaker 3: maybe eighteen million, and then meeting the price on a

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Speaker 3: DeAndre Hopkins who's not gonna come cheap and those I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know they're all in for Lamar Jackson if they

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Speaker 3: end up signing those two receivers and trying to entice

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Speaker 3: their quarterback into a long term deal.

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Speaker 1: No, I think you're right about that, Paully. I don't

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Speaker 1: think the Baltimore Ravens are expecting Lamar Jackson to go anywhere, Paul.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they have the franchise tag. They have it

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Speaker 1: on him. Now. It's the non exclusive, of course, but

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Speaker 1: they've got the franchise tag and he's going to play

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Speaker 1: for the Baltimore Ravens or he's not going to get paid.

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Speaker 1: He's not going to get any money. I think there's

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Speaker 1: going to be some type of resolution here, and maybe

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Speaker 1: they're trying to talk a little bit of sense into

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson if they go out and do get d

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Speaker 1: Hop or promise to get d Hop.

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Speaker 3: So another NFL insider, Von Miller, he went on the

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Speaker 3: Pat mcabee show this week and he said the Bills

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Speaker 3: are going to be adding another big time weapon. Those

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Speaker 3: are his words. He didn't name names there, but earlier

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Speaker 3: forty eight hours earlier to the Buffalo News, he said

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Speaker 3: that I talked to Hop all the time. Apparently they

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Speaker 3: work out together as well. And according to Von Miller quote,

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Speaker 3: Hop said he wanted to be a Buffalo Bill ha ha.

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Speaker 3: And I mentioned that because you might have seen the

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Speaker 3: Brian McFadden video podcast that Hop appeared on and on

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Speaker 3: video without saying anything. Brian mcfahnen said, you know what,

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Speaker 3: used facial expressions to tell us whether you'd like to

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Speaker 3: play for a certain team or not anything.

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Speaker 1: I saw it.

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Speaker 3: He threw out four possibilities. So when he said Chiefs

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Speaker 3: and Bills, d Hops smiled and nodded accordingly. And when

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Speaker 3: he brought up the Jets and Patriots, it was sort

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Speaker 3: of what the kids would say, eh right, yeah, yeah, Paul.

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Speaker 1: I saw that as well, and that was not lost

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Speaker 1: on me, the fact that it was the Kansas City

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Speaker 1: Chiefs and the Buffalo Bills, because you know what, Paul, logically,

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Speaker 1: that makes the most sense. It does. You got two

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Speaker 1: teams that are super Bowl caliber, obviously the Kansas City Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: You have two teams that are super Bowl caliber, super

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Speaker 1: Bowl ready right now. And because of that, d Hop

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Speaker 1: would would make them the favorite. If if the Kansas

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Speaker 1: City Chiefs to sign d Hop, they'd be the favorites

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Speaker 1: once again to win the Super Bowl, Paul, if it

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Speaker 1: was the other way around, you know, now, all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, the Bills might be the favorites to come

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Speaker 1: out of the AFC and win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: See, and that restores my faith that the Cardinals are

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Speaker 3: going to get value for DeAndre Hopkins. All these narratives

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Speaker 3: out there put out by a lot of the teams

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Speaker 3: maybe who are pursuing DeAndre Hopkins, that he's only worth

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Speaker 3: a fifth or sixth round pick. No, I think there

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Speaker 3: will be two teams, especially the Chiefs and the Bills,

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Speaker 3: who value a DeAndre Hopkins to the point where they're

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Speaker 3: gonna pay him his number or at least something reasonably

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Speaker 3: close right, and give the Cardinals significant compensation. And by

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Speaker 3: the way, I'm still not ruling out the Jets going

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Speaker 3: after him. They need a receiver. Patriots I think are

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Speaker 3: truly interested. And then what about Tennessee and even the Giants.

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Speaker 3: I think there are more than two teams who are

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Speaker 3: gonna seriously pursue d hop up until the draft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Polly, I'm not saying you're wrong, but

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Speaker 1: whenever you bring up the Patriots and no Nuke in

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Speaker 1: the fact that he does not like to practice. I

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Speaker 1: just I will never see Bill Belichick agreeing to bring

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Speaker 1: a guy onto a team that is telling him I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to practice on Wednesday. I just don't see

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Speaker 1: that under any circumstance right now. But d Hop is

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Speaker 1: going to be traded at some point in time. The

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Speaker 1: ultimate pressure point of the offseason is coming up in

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Speaker 1: the form of the NFL Draft, and that is next week.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, d Hop not long after that

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Speaker 3: video podcast tweeted out and I quote Hopkins doesn't want

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Speaker 3: to raise signed nuke, so he went third person in

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Speaker 3: his own tweet, and then not long after that he

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Speaker 3: deleted the tweet. So I'm like, is that sort of

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Speaker 3: the social media version of back in nineteen ninety three

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Speaker 3: when Charles Barkley once claimed that he was misquoted in

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Speaker 3: his own autobiography. I don't know, but it was hop

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Speaker 3: being hop on that front.

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Speaker 1: You know what, Paul, honestly right now, he is a

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Speaker 1: game changer. He is He is still a wide receiver

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Speaker 1: one in my opinion, Yes, I understand he's getting a

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Speaker 1: little long in the tooth. I get that, but there

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Speaker 1: have been many many receivers his age that have been very,

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Speaker 1: very productive in the National Football League, and DeAndre Hopkins

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Speaker 1: is just one of those guys. He's got all the

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Speaker 1: tools you could possibly want from a wide receiver to

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Speaker 1: be a wide receiver. One. Yes, he's not the fastest guy,

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Speaker 1: I get that, but all he does is run by

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Speaker 1: people and catch deep passes down the field that are contested.

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Speaker 1: He's d hop, He's still got a ton of value.

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Speaker 3: So when Jonathan Gannon said recently in response to reporters

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Speaker 3: question that everything is a competition, quote end quote, the

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Speaker 3: Cardinals need a competition for d Hop multiple teams. They

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Speaker 3: need a competition for that number three pick overall. And

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Speaker 3: if sol Man eight picks could to eight or maybe

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Speaker 3: even twelve picks come the draft, and the Cardinals might

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Speaker 3: truly be able to hit the reset button here in

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Speaker 3: this offseason. Ron Wolfleel Paul Calvic special thanks as always

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