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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George nor

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Speaker 1: with you. Let me tell you about our guest. Doug

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Speaker 1: Matski is a prolific scientist, researcher, presenter in his areas

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Speaker 1: of expertise about the limits of computation, hyperdimensional mathematics, neurocomputing,

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Speaker 1: quantum computing, intelligence, metaphysics, and during his forty five year

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Speaker 1: plus career, he was the chairperson of the two sitcoms

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Speaker 1: two ninety four workshops, contributed to fifteen disclosed patents and

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Speaker 1: eight were granted. Has published more than fifty papers and presentations,

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Speaker 1: earned a PhD, and quantum computing Doug has adopted the

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Speaker 1: moniker of quantum Doug because he combines these deep reality

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Speaker 1: subjects as a source science beneath his quantum mind based

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Speaker 1: model of humanity. Fascinating dog. Welcome to the program. Thankful George.

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Speaker 1: How is a scientist? Have you combined your interest in metaphysics?

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Speaker 1: How did that happen? Well, most people, I think, even

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Speaker 1: like you, have some kind of experience early in their life.

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Speaker 1: I really have experience like that, But I did have

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Speaker 1: a where I was reading fakee Discovery behind the Iron

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Speaker 1: Curtains back when I was in college. I go, well,

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Speaker 1: if that's true, then something's different here. That need to

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Speaker 1: figure that out. And when you did, you opened up

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Speaker 1: the door to a lot of different things, didn't you. Absolutely? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: I finally had to write the book Deep Realitybook dot

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Speaker 1: com because otherwise I couldn't just talk about it very

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Speaker 1: you know in elevator speech doesn't give it to you.

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Speaker 1: So do most scientists agree with you that there is

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Speaker 1: a blend here? Or are they standpath that it's science

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Speaker 1: science science? Well, you know, the big difference here is

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Speaker 1: I came up with a term of source science because

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Speaker 1: it's if you start looking at science, you know, what

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Speaker 1: does science allow you to do? And some sciencests say, well,

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Speaker 1: paranormal is outside of science, so we ignore that, right,

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Speaker 1: And you would call them critics or you can traditionalists

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Speaker 1: however you want to call them. But but as soon

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Speaker 1: as you start looking into quantum computing and quantum mind ideas,

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you realize, hey, there's

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Speaker 1: you know, classical physics isn't bottling, but we're not bottled

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Speaker 1: by classical physics. You know, even it's it's a quantum

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Speaker 1: universe out there, you know, And so even Feineman said that,

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Speaker 1: you know, get used to it. Damn it. It's it's

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Speaker 1: a quantum universe. It's not classical. You've looked at things

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Speaker 1: like metaphysics, psychic experiences. Do you think they're real? Oh? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: I mean I've gone to many sessions where you know,

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Speaker 1: I trained on different modalities of healing and u nor

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Speaker 1: linguistic programming, which has a lot of overlap between these areas.

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Speaker 1: And went to the Row Institute, and you know, when

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Speaker 1: you go to then ro Institute, and like I did,

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Speaker 1: that can't be explained using just traditional science. Was Robert

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Speaker 1: Monroe alive when you went out there or had he

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Speaker 1: already passed? Yeah? He was there, and he's he's the hood.

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Speaker 1: He was the hood. He really was. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: was amazing, wasn't he? Yeah? Absolutely? Absolutely a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who go out there hope to be able to

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Speaker 1: ask her for Jack. But even if you don't get

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Speaker 1: in touch with your inner self, that's really important. Did

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Speaker 1: these did? These were visits and the research, You did

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Speaker 1: for or did you always feel that these were real?

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Speaker 1: I always felt that there were a whole bunch of scientists,

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Speaker 1: like like the dean of engineering Robert John at Princeton

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Speaker 1: Engineering Anomalies Research Labs. You know, he was working on

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Speaker 1: like a hero of mine, just like Robert Monroe was

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Speaker 1: And so I met these guys and they're you know,

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Speaker 1: this moniker quantum dug and exactly explain quantum computing for

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Speaker 1: us too. Yeah, I will know the quantum Doug was

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Speaker 1: because my last name. You know, some people go, how

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Speaker 1: I made it easy for people to say, find me

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Speaker 1: just that quantum dug, you know, yeah, exactly and U.

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Speaker 1: And so the quantum really is. You know, people have

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Speaker 1: in is using mathematics to describe quantum theory in a

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Speaker 1: How do we explain things like remote viewing and precognition

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