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Speaker 2: And she was like, I don't know. It was great.

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Speaker 2: I love when you can find someone else with the

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Speaker 1: We're just like what, yeah, fucking beautiful, more better.

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Speaker 3: More better, more, a little more better more.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to more Better, a podcast where we stop pretending

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Speaker 1: And embraced the journey of becoming a little more better

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Speaker 2: Least trying to. And that's Stephanie Beatrice. That's most a mirrale.

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Speaker 2: Hi are you okay? I'm great. I'm just my mic

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Speaker 2: doing great? We're doing great. It's you know what, it's

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Speaker 2: So Steph, what have you been doing lately? That's a

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Speaker 2: No small dogs forever.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about some stuff that isis helped

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Speaker 2: seen it in a lot of the protests across the

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Speaker 2: country of like drum circles, dance circles. Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: did you see the guy who was who brought his

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Speaker 2: full drum kit to the outside of a hotel where

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Speaker 2: Ice was staying and playing through the night.

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Speaker 4: That's amazing, incredible, incredible, And he is having.

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Speaker 2: The time of his life in the video and he

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Speaker 2: is like just full out on those drums. He's like

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Speaker 2: bang it, like bopping his head, feeling my gosic just

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Speaker 2: on like fifteen cans of red Bull. Yeah, like it's

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Speaker 2: an entire full drum kit. He put that shit in

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Speaker 2: his car, set it up in front of the hotel,

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Speaker 2: and then just fucking went for it for hours and

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Speaker 2: starting at like eleven o'clock at night. Amazing, amazing, And

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Speaker 2: I love like as important as obviously like marching and

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Speaker 2: protesting all is, it's when these also, these these joyous

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Speaker 2: acts get infused, like the singing and the dancing and

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Speaker 2: the music, that it something about It does feel even

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Speaker 2: like a bigger resistance, like something about that when those happen,

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Speaker 2: or you know, just when like people come in costumes,

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Speaker 2: you know, like when people are like in full costume,

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Speaker 2: like dancing in front of like ice office, or like

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Speaker 2: you know, when they brought dress up like a furry situation. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: like when they brought like fris protesting. I love the

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Speaker 2: idea of furries protesting. If you're a furry, please wear

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Speaker 2: your free outfit. But they brought like the National Guard

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Speaker 2: and they were just like furries like dancing in front

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Speaker 2: of like all this line of soldiers, you know. And

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Speaker 2: I feel like there was a lot of that up

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Speaker 2: in Portland too, But yeah, it's it's there is something

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Speaker 2: about it that feels just even more defiant. It's almost

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Speaker 2: like when I'm raising my voice at my kids and

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Speaker 2: they laugh at me. Nothing else will set me off,

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Speaker 2: like will make me.

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Speaker 1: Did you see that video of that girl yelling at

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Speaker 1: Greg Bovino, the fucking guy that looks like a Nazi,

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Speaker 1: that's like the head of Ice. She's yelling at him.

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Speaker 1: She's like yelling at him as he's coming out of

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Speaker 1: a building, and then he yells something back and she's.

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Speaker 4: Like, oh my god, I didn't know your voice would

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Speaker 4: sound like that. That's crazy, that's so dumb. She just

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Speaker 4: fucking makes fun of them. And you know, these dudes,

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Speaker 4: these like these are the guys that like if.

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Speaker 1: You cut them like with humor, they just collapse because

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Speaker 1: they take themselves so fucking seriously. It is so humor

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Speaker 1: is such an incredible way to disarm people, and like.

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Speaker 2: It's so funny. I'll send you the video because it's.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, she's just dying laughing at him and

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Speaker 1: is like, you're such a fucking dude.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay. Speaking of movement and.

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Speaker 1: Joy, there's this book that was written two thousand and

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Speaker 1: six by Barbara Enric I think it's her last name.

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Speaker 2: I think that's how pronounce it.

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Speaker 1: But the book is called Dancing in the Streets, A

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Speaker 1: History of Collective Joy, and essentially she talks about how

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Speaker 1: throughout history, authorities have feared group celebrations because they threaten control.

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Speaker 1: And that's what you're talking about, Like laughter in the

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Speaker 1: face of control feels like eh, they like people just

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Speaker 1: have done this like forever, right, Like oppressed communities use

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Speaker 1: celebration as a way to survive. The book highlights how

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Speaker 1: enslaved African Americans preserved astatic worship traditions, call and response,

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Speaker 1: physical expression in church, how carnival traditions allowed people to

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Speaker 1: temporarily mock authority and affirm their humanity, and how movements

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Speaker 1: need joy to sustain long term resistance. And that's what

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Speaker 1: we're talking about right now, right like that this is

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Speaker 1: a long game and we have to continue to hold

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Speaker 1: on to things that make us happy because, like you

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Speaker 1: said in the beginning, Melissa, outrage burns out, but collective

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Speaker 1: joy replenishes people.

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Speaker 2: It replenishes us, all right. So yeah, And I know

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Speaker 2: Shilom said in their letter that they also were struggling

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Speaker 2: with like how to show up because they didn't want

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Speaker 2: to have a social media presence, and like, there are

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Speaker 2: so many ways I think to feel like you're showing

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Speaker 2: up without getting burnt out. I don't think you have to, Like,

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Speaker 2: you know, you can be informed without like subscribing to

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Speaker 2: the twenty four hour news cycle. Like you can, you know,

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Speaker 2: spend an hour calling senators. You know, there's so many

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Speaker 2: great scripts on social media or even just like through

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Speaker 2: the ACOU that you can use.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to commit to doing that today. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to commit to doing that. Yeah, I'm just writing it down.

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Speaker 2: Yes, same, I heard it here, you heard it here.

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Speaker 2: We're going to be calling some senators today. You can

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Speaker 2: donate to centers like the Immigrant Defender's Law Center or

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Speaker 2: the ACLU or there's also a lot of like, you know,

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Speaker 2: immigration groups that are trying to help people in detention centers,

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Speaker 2: trying to reconnect families, trying to locate people because oftentimes

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Speaker 2: when they get detained, they get fucking shipped to other states.

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Speaker 2: Five year old Liam this week and yeah, so you

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Speaker 2: know those are all things like, yes, posting is great,

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00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: and like raising awareness is great, and like but that like,

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Speaker 2: honestly is it's basic, Like it's the bare minimum. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: like you know what I mean, Like every time, yeah,

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Speaker 2: every time somebody on social media is like, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: thank you like for and I'm like, literally, this is

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Speaker 2: the bare minimum. This is the easiest thing to do.

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Speaker 2: Like there are I think bigger ways, and I think

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Speaker 2: like showing up in community, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: showing up to a protest or just or if that

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Speaker 2: feels too scary or dangerous for you right now, like

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Speaker 2: just gathering with friends, and maybe like you know, I

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Speaker 2: don't know, writing postcards or letters to mail to senators.

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Speaker 2: Like there's so many things. There's so many things you

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Speaker 2: can do, so many things you can do and and

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Speaker 2: just you know, and it doesn't have to be every day,

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Speaker 2: you know, do it once a week, once every other week, whatever,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, do one thing and

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Speaker 2: it will I think make you feel better. And then,

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Speaker 2: as they also said in their letter, like protect your

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Speaker 2: joy and find joy. And I think the joy banking

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Speaker 2: exercise we did is really great. That takes three minutes

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Speaker 2: to do. Yeah, it's a really good one, you know,

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Speaker 2: to do every week. Yeah, more better? Do you feel

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Speaker 2: more better? I do?

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Speaker 1: I do feel more better? You know, I'm planning on

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Speaker 1: talking about this stuff in therapy. Yeah, do you feel

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Speaker 1: more better?

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Speaker 2: I do feel more better? I do. I think it's

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Speaker 2: also nice. I've found in connecting with you and with

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Speaker 2: a couple other friends this week that like everyone is

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Speaker 2: feeling it and there is something helpful about that, Like

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Speaker 2: you just feel less alone, and you just feel like, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: at least, at least we're all in this together, right,

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Speaker 2: Like at least we're all experiencing this horror together. But

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Speaker 2: that means we can also find ways to find joy

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Speaker 2: and to find action together as well.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to mention there's a couple mental health resources

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Speaker 1: that we're going to put in our stories on Instagram

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Speaker 1: if you follow More Better on Instagram. They're mental health

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Speaker 1: resources for immigrants or people that are first generation, some

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Speaker 1: mental health resources for Latinos. We'll put the links in

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Speaker 1: our stories and then we'll also save them so that

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Speaker 1: if you're listening to this later you can still find them.

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Speaker 1: Because not everybody can go to the therapist every week,

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Speaker 1: but maybe maybe you could go.

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Speaker 2: Talk to somebody that's you know, maybe it's maybe it's made.

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Speaker 1: You'll reach out and help massage your brain a little

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Speaker 1: bit and get some of that Stuffah, yeah, Okay, I

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Speaker 1: mean I think we solved it.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome world, all right. I think we're trying to

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Speaker 2: We're trying. That's all we can do. Then, that's all

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Speaker 2: we can do is just try a little bit every day. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's it. That's all we can do. Yeah. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: we will and resist and we will get through this together. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Also for guys, okay, bye bye, More more Better.

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Speaker 1: Do you have something you'd like to be more better

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Speaker 1: at that you want us to talk about in a

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Speaker 1: future episode.

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Speaker 2: Can you relate to our struggles or have you tried

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Speaker 2: one of our tips and tricks?

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