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We were live in the 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 3: US Senate on the late edition of Balance of Power 11 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 3: on Friday when it became clear that a funding mechanism 12 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 3: was in fact coming together. 13 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 2: They had the votes to put this together. 14 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 3: It was a sort of late deal that emerged between 15 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 3: Chuck Schumer and President Trump, a two week continuing resolution 16 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 3: for the Department of fall Land Security stripped from the 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 3: other bills in the funding mechanism. Some new restrictions could 18 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 3: be worked out in that period of time while the 19 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 3: CR runs. John Thune seems to think that's not enough time, 20 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 3: and he told reporters that there could be a need 21 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 3: for another and another other CR, knowing there was argument 22 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 3: about how much time would be needed. To put in 23 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 3: legislative form some of the demands that Democrats have made, 24 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 3: like body cameras, like more training, like restricting the use 25 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 3: of masks when ice patrols enforce the law. We talked 26 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 3: to a Democrat and a Republican about that timeline. Ted Budd, 27 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 3: the Republican from North Carolina, and Democrat Dick Durbin of Illinois. 28 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 4: Listen, well, my understanding is that we need more than 29 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 4: two weeks because of the Senate procedures. I wish you could. 30 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 4: You know, I come from a business background. You just 31 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 4: get it done, but there's procedures to be done here 32 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 4: in the Senate. It's a very interesting body politic, So 33 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 4: it's going to take more than two weeks, but we'll 34 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 4: hurry with whatever time they get us. 35 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 5: Two weeks are enough and only for negotiation, serious negotiations. 36 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 5: I've been around Washington for a few years, and I 37 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 5: can tell you, if you want to get the job done, 38 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 5: two weeks is more than enough time. I'm making no 39 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 5: promise beyond that two week period. 40 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 3: Two weeks is enough, says Dick Durbin. Republicans say not 41 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 3: so much. John Thune's sounding a lot more like Ted 42 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 3: Budd because not everybody's on the same page here when 43 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 3: it comes to these restrictions, and it turns out not 44 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 3: everybody's on the same page, even codifying what the Senate 45 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 3: did on Friday in the House to try to get 46 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 3: these agencies back open because the changes that were made, 47 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 3: it's got to go back to the House. And Mike 48 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 3: Johnson has a restive conference on his hands. As we 49 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 3: always hear, the Freedom Caucus doesn't like the idea of 50 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 3: what's happening stripping out DHS, adding restrictions. A lot of 51 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 3: Democrats don't want to be caught voting yes for DHS 52 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 3: funding at all. And by the way, we're going to 53 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 3: talk in just a moment with the newest member of 54 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 3: the Democratic Caucus in the House. I don't think he's 55 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 3: even't been sworn in yet. He's coming straight from the 56 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 3: airport for what will be his first national interview after 57 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 3: winning a spal election. Christian Menafie is about to be 58 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 3: knee deep in this whole thing. We're gonna talk to 59 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 3: him first after we check in with Eric Watson, Bloomberg 60 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 3: Congress reporter live on Capitol Hill. Right now, Eric, we've 61 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 3: got our eyes on a Rules committee meeting that starts 62 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 3: at four pm. 63 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 2: Will that give us a sense of how hard this 64 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: is going to be. 65 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 6: You know, the Rules Committee can gabble in and sometimes 66 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 6: not finished for hours and maybe to the wee hours 67 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 6: of the night. We really have to see what kind 68 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,399 Speaker 6: of side deals. Potentially the Speaker of the House will 69 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 6: cut with the House Freedom Caucus and other members. We 70 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 6: have Anna Luna, one of the Freedom Caucus members, really 71 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 6: demanding that a voter ID controversial voter ID bill called 72 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 6: the Save Act, be attached to this funding package. You know, 73 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 6: Democrats say this was created Jim Crow like ID verification 74 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 6: system that suppresses voter turnout, and Chuck Schumer felt compelled 75 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 6: just to issue a statement saying there's no way this 76 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 6: is going anywhere. So there are imaginations going on the issue. 77 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 6: For Johnson, he needs to pass a rule and traditionally 78 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 6: no Democrats crossed the aisle to help pass a rule. 79 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 6: He's only got a one vote already. Someone takes one, 80 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 6: you know, extra person to people to really bring it down. 81 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 6: So we're gonna see what kind of imagination he's going for. 82 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 6: I'm on the Democrats. They're divided. Progressives, as you said, 83 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 6: do not want to vote for this even two weeks 84 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 6: of ICE funding. But you know, we confirmed that Stanny Hoyer, 85 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 6: you know, a longtime moderate in the House, and Jim Clyburn, 86 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 6: we're urging on a call yesterday that you should support 87 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 6: this package. There's a lot of wins for Democrats in 88 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 6: the underlying bill, so because he a split vote if 89 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 6: it comes to a final vote. But the first hurdle 90 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 6: is that rule in passing that probably sometime Tuesday. 91 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 3: Well, the Speaker was talking a pretty confident game on 92 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 3: Sunday morning television. Right he says we'll be a vote tuesday. 93 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 3: He says he has the votes. Is that bluster. 94 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 2: Perhaps a little bit of bluster. 95 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 6: I mean, he wouldn't want to show weakness or fear 96 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 6: because that would open up the demands. 97 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 2: The bizarre would be open. 98 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 6: As we say. He also made some interesting comments about 99 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 6: an eventual and eventual you know, ICE compromise. You know, 100 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 6: he's he's said that some things are amenable to them, 101 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 6: like body cameras, like ending roving patrols, but they have 102 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 6: real issues with taking those masks off. There's a sense that, 103 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,799 Speaker 6: you know, members of ICE are being docks, their family threatened, 104 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 6: and this is gonna be a real sticking point and 105 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 6: make it very hard to get a deal. 106 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: In two weeks. 107 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 3: Well, it's not getting any easier here because there's a 108 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 3: gentleman from Texas who's going to be sworn in today. Eric, 109 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 3: we're going to be talking with him in just a 110 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 3: moment when Christian Menafie is sworn in. This cuts Mike 111 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 3: Johnson's margin of error to a single vote. The options 112 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 3: are looking pretty thinnier, aren't they. 113 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 6: Well, one thing we could see is some modern Democrats 114 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 6: could cross the aisle. I talked to Henry quaar He 115 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 6: wouldn't tell me. He's a motor from Texas Democrat. You know, 116 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 6: he actually helped write the DHS full year bill. You know, 117 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 6: could some of these people bail out Johnson? I think 118 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,679 Speaker 6: if there's one or two members like Luna really bringing 119 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 6: it down, you could see that. But let's say the 120 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,119 Speaker 6: whole Freedom Caucus or twenty six or thirty, you probably 121 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 6: don't have enough Henry quaar Is to help out, so 122 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 6: you might not even do that. 123 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 2: We'll have to see how this vote plays out. 124 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 3: Weight Well, we'll have a lot to check in on 125 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 3: later today. Eric, thank you so much. He lives on 126 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 3: Capitol Hill and great to have reporting from Eric Watson 127 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,119 Speaker 3: at a time like this. Again, Rules meets at four. 128 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 3: We'll be back on the late edition at five pm 129 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 3: Eastern to tell you where they are. They're probably still 130 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 3: going to be knocking their heads together, and those Rules 131 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 3: Committee sessions can get pretty chippy. 132 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: I've mentioned his name a few times. Get used to it. 133 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 3: Christian Menafie just got to the nation's capital from Texas. 134 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 3: Democrat won the special election on Saturday to fill a 135 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:35,559 Speaker 3: long vacant seat vacant for three hundred and thirty two days. 136 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 3: That's how long ago Sylvester Turner died. So when mister 137 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 3: Menafie goes to Capitol Hill and he's sworn in by 138 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 3: Mike Johnson again brings the margin to one. 139 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 5: Now. 140 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: In his first national interview since winning that election, Christian 141 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: Menafee with Us Now live on Bloomberg TV and Radio. 142 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 3: It's great to meet you, Thanks for coming in, Thanks 143 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 3: so much for having me. Welcome to Washington. Yeah, came 144 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 3: straight from the airport. 145 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 7: Straight from the airport, and I never worked in DC 146 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 7: politics or anything like that, so I really am a 147 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 7: Houston guy out here right now. 148 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:08,119 Speaker 2: Right, It's not always this cold. 149 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 3: We don't always have this much iceol though, You've got 150 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 3: it in Texas as well, so you can understand. 151 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: Are you going to be sworn in after this? What's 152 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: the plan for today? It's my hope. 153 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 7: I haven't heard from the Speaker's office, but all the 154 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 7: conversations I've had with other folks have been positive. I 155 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 7: think that Speaker Johnson may have even said publicly that 156 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 7: he's dealing with a one vote margin, which would be 157 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 7: an indication that he's gonna swear me in. I'm just 158 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 7: excited to be here and to get to work. You know, 159 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 7: we have a district that has been without representation for 160 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 7: just under a year. Frankly, we should have had somebody 161 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 7: in conversation very long time ago. I'm glad they're at 162 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 7: this point, and I'm excited to get to work. 163 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: Well, so what's this debate going to be like surrounding 164 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,679 Speaker 3: the Department of Homeland Security? This is the first major 165 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 3: debate in Washington, a national debate that you're jumping into. 166 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 3: And Texas is no stranger to this debate. You're obviously 167 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: a border state. You're one that's seen National Guard troops, 168 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 3: You're one that is used to actually seeing ICE enforcement, 169 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 3: but seeing it in the middle of the country and 170 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 3: seeing roving bands of ICE agents who are masked has 171 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 3: had a very different look for a lot of Americans. 172 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 3: Do you support the restrictions that Democrats are calling for 173 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 3: to be put in place? 174 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 7: I would I be voting for funding for DHS. In Houston. 175 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 7: We are a community of immigrants, of folks from so 176 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 7: many countries who have come, who participate in our economy, 177 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 7: who run small businesses, who hire folks who do fantastic work, 178 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 7: and we believe in recognizing their dignity and their humanity. 179 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 7: But instead, what we've seen as the President and know 180 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 7: radicalize an agency so much so that they're terrorizing communities 181 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 7: and executing people on the street. I believe very deeply 182 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 7: that we should not allow ICE to do what it's 183 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 7: been doing, and I look forward to one of my 184 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 7: early votes being to do everything the thing I can 185 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 7: to block additional funding to do. 186 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 3: You're a no on this consinuing resolution. What do you 187 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 3: think about the bill that's being crafted to bring some 188 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 3: new restrictions about no masks, body cameras, additional training. 189 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 2: Is there more that you want to see? Absolutely? 190 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 7: I am supportive fully of ensuring that ICE is held 191 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 7: accountable and that when they're out in our communities they're 192 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 7: conducting themselves in a way that is representative of the 193 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 7: federal government. These folks should not be out there like thugs. 194 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 7: They shouldn't be harassing and terrorizing people. And if they 195 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 7: are going to be in the streets doing any type 196 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 7: of law enforcement work, they shouldn't have masks in their face. 197 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 7: They should have recorded fully every single time they're doing something, 198 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 7: and not being a situation where they're able to commit 199 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 7: what we all know our crimes and protected by the 200 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 7: President when they're doing so. 201 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 2: Well, let's get real about what should happen. 202 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 3: You said at your victory party that it's time to 203 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 3: tear ICE up from the roots. Is that abolishing the 204 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 3: agency or reforming it? 205 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 7: I support fully abolishing the abolishing it. I think you 206 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 7: have to rip it down to the studs. Look, I 207 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 7: believe that when you rip. 208 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 3: Something down to the studs, though, that usually means you're 209 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 3: going to rebuild it. That's not so much abolished, that's replaced. 210 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 2: No, No, I want to abolish it. 211 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 7: I think you rip it down to the studs, and 212 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 7: when it comes back, it shouldn't be Ice anymore. It 213 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 7: should be a different type of law enforcement agency that 214 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 7: is built in a way that ensures that communities are 215 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 7: going to be protected. You can't take something that was 216 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 7: created and has been radicalized to this level that has 217 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 7: harmed so many people and try to have minor reforms 218 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 7: on it in a way that you think is going 219 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 7: to protect people. I think that they are far past 220 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 7: the line, and after folks are executing the street, it's 221 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 7: time to tear it down. 222 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 3: I hear the principle that you're standing on. I've heard 223 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 3: also a lot of Democrats say. 224 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 2: That this rings. 225 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 3: It has the same ring as defund the police, which 226 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 3: is something that a lot of progressives are still answering 227 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 3: for because they felt like it was misunderstood. 228 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 2: Do you feel like this could be misunderstood? 229 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 7: No, I think people in this country are smart enough 230 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 7: to understand that when you have an agency that has 231 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 7: gone this far, when people are being executed in the street, 232 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 7: when they're conducting law enforcement operations with mass on because 233 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 7: they don't want to be seen when they're doing wrong. 234 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 7: Go throughout my communities, people who are black, white, brown, 235 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 7: from every single community. They want this to stop as 236 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 7: soon as possible, and I think the President has shown 237 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 7: that He's not someone that you can negotiate with and 238 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 7: trust to acting good faith. So I don't think we're 239 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 7: going to be misunderstood, and I think the voters would 240 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 7: be with us. 241 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 3: There's a demand that many Democrats have as well, that 242 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 3: new rules of the road are not enough. 243 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 2: You're clearly one of them. 244 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 3: But they also say you need a new head of 245 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 3: the agency, the Department of Homeland Security, that a new 246 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 3: cabinet official needs to be there. Christine no must go. 247 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 3: Whether that ends up being one of the demands on 248 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 3: the table, I don't know. But we talked to Senator 249 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 3: Elizabeth Warren about this slate Friday. 250 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: Here's what she said. 251 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 8: I've been calling for Christine Nome to be pushed out 252 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 8: as there part of a deal. I would love to 253 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 8: see that as part of a deal. But the core 254 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 8: of what we're asking for here, it shouldn't take us 255 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 8: two hours to write this and put it together. It's 256 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 8: abide by the same sets of restrictions we set every 257 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 8: other public safety officer abides. 258 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 3: Do Democrats need to dig in on replacing Christino, Absolutely. 259 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 7: I think she has shown that she is unable to 260 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 7: lead this agency in a way that respects the dignity 261 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 7: and the humanity of folks in this country. I think 262 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 7: she has failed miserably and she needs to be out 263 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 7: and I fully support and I've set this on the 264 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 7: campaign tro doing whatever we can to get her out 265 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 7: of office. 266 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 2: There are articles of impeachment. 267 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 3: We talked to the author of Representative Robin Kelly, who's 268 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 3: got a number of signatures. I think she was beyond 269 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy last time we looked, would you 270 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 3: sign on to those? 271 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 2: Yes. 272 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 7: Look, I fully support investigating every single thing she's done 273 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 7: and proceeding with impeachment based on what the investigation reveals. 274 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 7: But what we've seen so far is very clear evidence 275 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 7: that she is unfit for the job and that we 276 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 7: need to move on well. 277 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 3: Representative elects, this is not the only issue that brings 278 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 3: you to Washington, and I don't want to pigeonhole us 279 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 3: to this single issue because you're about to begin a 280 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 3: career as a representative in the United States Congress once 281 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 3: this government reopens, assuming that it does at some point 282 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 3: in the near term. 283 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 2: What's important to you this year? 284 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 3: There's a crypto market structure bill that we've talked about 285 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 3: a lot, but a pretty light agenda, and the conventional 286 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 3: wisdom is you get into the midterm campaign cycle and 287 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 3: the store closes. 288 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, what can this Congress get done this year? 289 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 7: What I'm going to be focused on out the gate 290 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 7: is constituent services because my community has been without that 291 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 7: in the royal robust way for almost a year. But 292 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 7: as far as national policy goes, I'm passionate about healthcare. 293 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 7: You know, I grew up with a brother who suffered 294 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 7: from childhood cancer, and the only reason we were able 295 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 7: to afford his chemotherapy is radiation, and ultimately the bone 296 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 7: row transplant that saved his life was because my parents 297 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 7: were service persons and they had military insurance. So I'm 298 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 7: focused on making sure that healthcare is a right and 299 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 7: that no person out there has to choose between putting 300 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 7: food on the table and getting life take and treatment 301 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 7: that a family member needs. 302 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 3: You know, we ended last year thinking that there might 303 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 3: be a deal on ACA subsidies, which forced the last 304 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 3: shut down. There was a bill that many Republicans crossed 305 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 3: the aisle to vote for a couple of weeks back. 306 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 3: Nobody's even talking about that right now. What are you 307 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 3: hearing from party leaders as you arrive in Washington. 308 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 7: Well, I haven't had many conversations yet. I just got 309 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 7: off the airplane, but I believe very deeply that we 310 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 7: need to restore the subsidies. I'm talking to so many 311 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 7: people in my communities who are seeing their premiums jump substantially, 312 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 7: and they're terrified because these are folks who have relied 313 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 7: on having a low deductible for such a long time, 314 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 7: and now they know that they're going to be in 315 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 7: a position to where maybe they're not going to afford 316 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 7: the health care that they need. So I look forward 317 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 7: to that conversation coming back up. But I fully support 318 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 7: universal health care in this country because I just believe 319 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 7: that healthcare is are right and no person should have 320 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 7: to choose between those two things. 321 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 3: So what are you in for? You need an office, 322 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 3: you need furniture, you need a staff. Does all that 323 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 3: happen now? 324 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 2: A map, the whole nine. 325 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 6: You know. 326 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 7: I didn't work in DC politics at all, so this 327 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 7: is all new to me. But in my entire career, 328 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 7: I've been placed in new situations and I've been able 329 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 7: to work it out. I took over an office called 330 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 7: the Harris County Attorney's Office, third largest county in the country, 331 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 7: three hundred person office. 332 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 2: I ran the whole office. 333 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 7: I had people working there who had been practicing in 334 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 7: law longer than I had been alive. I was able 335 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 7: to figure that out. I think I'll be able to 336 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 7: figure out the halls of Congress as well. 337 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 2: I'm sure that's right. Just to our remaining moment, there. 338 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 3: Was another race that a lot of people are talking 339 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 3: about from last week, and it managed to flip a 340 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 3: Senate seat to the Democratic Party in Texas that a 341 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 3: lot of people didn't see coming. It wasn't on a 342 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 3: lot of radars. Will we make a mistake if we 343 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 3: turn this into a Bell Weather a trend story? Or 344 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 3: is this about that district? 345 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 7: It's incredibly important what happened out in Terren County. Look, 346 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 7: this is a county that historically is Republican. The margins 347 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 7: are pretty slim, but this Senate district was overwhelmingly won 348 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 7: by President Trump the last time he ran. I think 349 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 7: what you're saying is people recognizing incompetency that's coming out 350 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 7: of this presidential administration. So I look forward to this 351 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 7: twenty twenty six statewide campaigns were saying and I'll be 352 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 7: doing every single thing I can to make sure that 353 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 7: more districts flipped the way that that one did. 354 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 2: Good luck getting settled. 355 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 3: I hope we can catch up once you get an 356 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 3: office and a staff and everything else to get the 357 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 3: ball rolling, and we'll let you know when this man 358 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 3: gets sworn in. The newest member of Congress, Christian Menefee, 359 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 3: the Democrat from Texas, with us live on Bloomberg. 360 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 2: Stay with us on Balance of Power. 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When you hear from the rank 376 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 3: and file inside the Republican Conference. There's a lot of 377 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 3: consternation about what might be going on here. The Freedom 378 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 3: Caucus is not a fan. By the way, Democrats in 379 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 3: the House are not a fan. Even as some members 380 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 3: of leadership say they will vote for this, others will 381 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 3: not be caught dead voting for even a two week 382 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 3: extension of Department of Homeland Security funding. It's all about optics. 383 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 3: That funding came from the Big Beautiful bill. This is 384 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,719 Speaker 3: about making commercials in campaign season, and it cuts both ways. 385 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 2: Which is where we start with our political panel. 386 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 3: Bloomberg Politics contributors Rick Davis and Genie Schanzeno are back 387 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 3: with us. Rick is our Republican strategist and a partner 388 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 3: at Stone Court Capital. Genie our democratic analyst and democracy 389 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 3: visiting fellow at Harvard Kennedy School's Ash Center. Genie, what 390 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 3: do you make of Democrats in the House so, even 391 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 3: with the cover from leaderships say they will not be 392 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 3: caught voting for DHS funding. Is it as simple as 393 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 3: what I just said, You end up in a thirty 394 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 3: second ad voting for this no knowing that all the 395 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 3: money came from the Big Beautiful bill. 396 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 2: Or is it more nuanced than that? 397 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 9: I think it's partly that, but I think more importantly 398 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 9: you just in your really wonderful interview with the new 399 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 9: to be in Congress representative from Texas, he made it 400 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 9: very clear what is going on on the ground. That 401 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 9: is what all the polls are showing. That is what 402 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 9: special election results are showing. That people on the ground, 403 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 9: particularly independents and moderates, are looking at what is going 404 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 9: on in Minneapolis and Els with ice and immigration, and 405 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 9: they are saying, oh, no, this is not the America. 406 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 9: I know this, even if I voted for Donald Trump, 407 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 9: this is not what I voted for. So I think 408 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 9: Democrats in Congress and likely some Republicans are reacting to that. 409 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 2: And you know, I can't help. 410 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 9: But a Matte Wonder did the White House and did 411 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 9: quite frankly, the Democrats in the Senate make a mistake 412 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 9: by not bringing Hakeem Jeffries into the negotiations that were 413 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 9: had last week, because had they brought him in, potentially 414 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 9: they could have made a deal that would have at 415 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 9: least allowed some Democrats to come over. I don't understand 416 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 9: the logic of keeping them out oftle that little group 417 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 9: in the agreement, because they knew darn well. They had 418 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 9: to go to the House immediately, So that doesn't make 419 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 9: a lot of sense to me. But here we are, 420 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 9: and he's got some many members who feel exactly like 421 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 9: the new representative from Texas. 422 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 2: Well. 423 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 3: I want to hear from Rick on this because Rocanna 424 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 3: helps to exemplify the split between the Senate and the 425 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 3: House on this. In fact, he just posted on x 426 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 3: Rick another reason I will be voting no on the 427 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 3: Senate Amended Appropriations Bill, which includes more security assistance to 428 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 3: Israel than ever before. He's retweeting a video of Chuck Schumer, 429 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 3: who's talking about the aid that Israel needs and how 430 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 3: he will continue to fight for it. Rocanna says no 431 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 3: House Democrats should vote yes on a bill that leaves 432 00:19:55,640 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 3: in place triple ICE funding and massive aid to Was 433 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 3: this a huge failure in leadership to not bring everyone 434 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 3: to the table. 435 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 10: Well, usually the Senates used to jam in the House, 436 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 10: and I suspect that that's exactly the methodology that they 437 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 10: were using. There's usually not a good voice of reason 438 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 10: between the two chambers, and for certainly quite some time, 439 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 10: we've seen very little coordination even amongst the Republican leadership. Nevertheless, 440 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 10: across the aisle. And so yeah, now this is this 441 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 10: is a factor. But look, I mean it only matters 442 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 10: when the countant is done right and is Rocanna going 443 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 10: to vote against a Democratic caucus that's going to say, hey, 444 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 10: we want all the changes that we got on healthcare 445 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 10: and this, you know, appropriations bill, it's the Homeland Security 446 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 10: bill we got to worry about, and let's just isolate that. 447 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 10: I would say, the one thing not to miss is 448 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 10: sure they're not going to have much of an impact 449 00:20:55,400 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 10: on the budget of the ICE or Homeland Security group. 450 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 10: But at the end of the day, they're doing this 451 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 10: to get leverage on reforms and that they can get 452 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 10: done in this cycle. And so what you see I 453 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 10: think with Democrats. Sure, there's some electioneering going on, they're 454 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 10: making some good video, but what they also want is a. 455 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 2: New deal on. 456 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 10: Requirements that ICE and Border Security folks and others who 457 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 10: are doing the things in these communities that Congressman Manafee 458 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 10: was talking about, they want reforms there. And so but 459 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 10: I would say, just on that interview with Congressman Manafee, 460 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 10: I mean, he's the newest member of Congress. He's got 461 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 10: a lot to learn. I'm sure he'll be fantastic. But 462 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 10: the idea of dropping the bomb that says defund ice, 463 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 10: I mean, I guarantee even Ocasio Cortes is going to 464 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 10: grab him and say, hey, we're not saying that stuff anymore. 465 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 10: So we'll see the education of Representative Manufee. 466 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 3: That's really interesting, Rick, which is why I wanted to 467 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 3: ask him about that. G do you agree Democrats need 468 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 3: to be careful with the idea of abolish ice. It 469 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 3: sounds like the fund the police and we know how 470 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 3: well that resonated. And are these negotiations going to be 471 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 3: as fruitful as Democrats hope for. GOP leaders were very 472 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 3: clear yesterday that the two, well two of the biggest 473 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 3: demands Democrats have no masks on agents' faces and obtain 474 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 3: judicial warrants ahead of operations are non starters. So are 475 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 3: we going to be sitting here two months from now 476 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 3: talking about it? 477 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 9: Absolutely, Joe, I was just thinking the same thing. I mean, 478 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 9: we're talking, you know, best case scenario, this gets through 479 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 9: today or tomorrow, as the speaker said, if that happens, 480 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 9: we by two weeks and we will be right back here. 481 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 9: Because it's hard to imagine a universe where in eleven days, 482 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 9: they agreed to things that over the weekend, the Speaker 483 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 9: of the House said, or non starters like you mentioned, 484 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 9: the masks, the IDs, and then of course the judicial warrants. 485 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 2: So that is going to be huge stumbling blocks. 486 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 9: I'm not sure how they get there given where they're starting, 487 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 9: but certainly not in eleven days. And so I'm hard 488 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 9: pressed to imagine that we don't see another continuing resolution 489 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 9: on the thirteenth and buy more time so they can 490 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 9: try to sort this out. 491 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 5: You know. 492 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 9: On the defund ice issue, I think what the representative 493 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 9: was saying is something we've heard a lot of. He said, 494 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 9: defund ice and replace it with a security force that 495 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 9: meets what people in the United States expect. And I 496 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 9: think that's a very different message. And so yes, there's 497 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 9: some consternation on the left about using that phraseology. The 498 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 9: reality is we do need border security, we need immigration security. 499 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 9: We need that certainly, but we cannot have it in 500 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 9: the form it is practiced now. When you've got a 501 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 9: five year old with a bunny hat on being sent 502 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 9: to detention in Texas and being told by ICE agents 503 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 9: to go to the door and try to get his 504 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 9: mother out of the House. This is what people are 505 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 9: sitting home watching. It is unacceptable, and that is why 506 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 9: people are pushing back in the huge numbers that they've 507 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 9: been pushing back, even in really red districts like we 508 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 9: saw over the weekend in Texas. 509 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 3: President calls that story fake news because apparently the man's 510 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 3: father or the boy's father took off and the man 511 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 3: left him there. If John Thune's math is right or 512 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 3: his gut check on the math is right, and Genie's 513 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 3: right here, Rick, that puts us You've got three two 514 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 3: week crs. 515 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 2: We're in the middle of March. Now. Is that what 516 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 2: people should brace for? 517 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 10: They might This is a pretty incendiary issue. Now that 518 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 10: it's getting isolated, you can have a legitimate debate them 519 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 10: out what you're willing to compromise around. There are Republicans 520 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 10: Susan Collins, Tom Tillis who are willing to discuss some 521 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 10: of the reform measures, you know, like warrants for immigration 522 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 10: enforcement officers, you know, stopping ice patrols wandering the streets. 523 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 2: They're all for rolling up the bad guys. 524 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 10: And that was what Donald Trump campaigned for, and he's 525 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 10: got full support from the Republican caucus in the Senate 526 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 10: House for that. But when you have ice patrols just 527 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 10: one around the streets and pulling people over, it's well 528 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 10: beyond stopp and frisk, right, it's stop and arrest, and 529 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 10: I think that's what Republicans are willing to take a 530 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 10: look at. So yeah, there's room to get a deal here, 531 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 10: just depends upon how much political I would say, sand 532 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 10: paper gets in the way of rubbing this sink to 533 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 10: the point where it'll actually work. 534 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:40,360 Speaker 2: Really interesting. 535 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 3: I should note Hockeen Jeffries has called a news conference 536 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 3: for four pm Eastern time couple hours from now that 537 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 3: would coincide with the start of that Rules Committee hearing, 538 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 3: so maybe he'll have some some new direction for the 539 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 3: rank and file on this. You've both mentioned Christian Menafee, 540 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 3: the representative elect from Texas. I'm getting a lot of 541 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 3: Twitter traffic on this point. People are listening to washing today. 542 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 3: That was not the only race. In fact, some would suggest, 543 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 3: and think many would that the other race in Texas 544 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 3: is the one that we should be talking about. Taylor Remitt. 545 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 3: We mentioned this briefly with the representative elect. This is 546 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 3: a state Senate seat, right not coming to Washington. Want 547 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 3: to run off for this district that is conservative that 548 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 3: Donald Trump won by a lot. Here's a sense of 549 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 3: what he had to say after in terms of treating 550 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 3: this as a bellweather listen. 551 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 2: I can't speak to that. 552 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 11: All I can speak to is the hard work that 553 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 11: my campaign, the community here put into this, and we're 554 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 11: looking forward to doing us some more and really just you. 555 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: Know, having fun doing it. I'm honored to be able 556 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:45,959 Speaker 2: to do it. 557 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 11: This is you know, I'd serve my country, I serve 558 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 11: my workers union, and I kind of wait to serve 559 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 11: in as a senator. 560 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 2: Percent of district behind Trent County Rick Davis. 561 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 3: Donald Trump carried the district by seventeen vantage points in 562 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. Should Republicans worry about a story like this, sure. 563 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 10: I mean there's always a precautionary note. Right when Trump 564 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 10: got those margins, over four hundred thousand people voted in 565 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 10: that election, less than one hundred thousand voted in this one. 566 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 10: So comparing turnout in a presidential year to a special 567 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 10: election is always difficult. You know, just as many Democrats 568 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 10: didn't turn out as Republicans. It's just in a smaller cohort. 569 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 10: And we've talked about this before Democrats have a higher turnout. 570 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 3: Rick Davis and Genie Schanzino, our great panel will be 571 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 3: back with us on the late edition of Balance of Power. 572 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 2: Thanks to you both. 573 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 3: Let you get back to breaking up ice here in 574 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 3: the meantime, and we'll keep our eyes on what's happening 575 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 3: on Capitol Hill as we mentioned that Rules Committee meeting 576 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 3: will be underway in a couple of hours and give 577 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 3: us a good sense of where we're headed. I'm Joe 578 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 3: Matthew and Washington. This is Bloomberg. Stay with us on 579 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 3: Balance of Power. We'll have much more coming. 580 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 8: Up this. 581 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Balance of Power Podcast. Catch 582 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: us live weekdays at noon and five pm Eastern on Apple, 583 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: Cockway and Android Auto with the Bloomberg Business App. You 584 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: can also listen live on Amazon Alexa from our flagship 585 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: New York station Just Say Alexa played Bloomberg eleven thirty. 586 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 3: Thanks for being with us on the Monday edition of 587 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 3: Balance of Power, Bloomberg TV and Radio. 588 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 2: I'm Joe Matthew. 589 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 3: It's the Monday edition, and this is going to be 590 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 3: an important day when we look back at what takes 591 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 3: place on Capitol Hill. We're going to speak in a 592 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 3: moment with Congressman super Monum about this. A government shutdown, 593 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 3: will a partial shutdown? You know how this goes. We're 594 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 3: all getting to be experts on this. After setting records 595 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 3: last year, this time's a little different. We've got a 596 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 3: series of agencies, six of them that are shuttered now 597 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 3: until the House follows the Senate on what it passed Friday, 598 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 3: including a two week continuing resolution for the Department of 599 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 3: Homeland Security. That's the sticky part there, because getting this 600 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 3: done on the House might be more complex. Speaker would 601 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 3: like to see a vote tomorrow, and there are certain 602 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 3: factions of both Republican and Democratic rank and file that 603 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 3: do not want to vote yes. We could find ourselves 604 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 3: in a series once again of continuing resolutions, at least 605 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 3: on that one agency. 606 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 2: We'll see how this goes. 607 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 3: A Rules Committee meeting is set hearing for a couple 608 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 3: of hours from now to get the ball rolling, at 609 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 3: least on the procedural side of all of this. This 610 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 3: follows the Friday release of millions of records from the 611 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 3: Epstein files. The Justice Department out with a massive tranch 612 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 3: that dropped Friday, and we're told this is going to 613 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 3: be it, even though there are millions of files that 614 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 3: were not and apparently will not be released by the DOJ, 615 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 3: despite the law that the President signed mandating all of 616 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 3: their release, the complete and total release of redacted files. 617 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 3: And that's where this story gets to be a little 618 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 3: more complicated. We're looking at two thousand videos, thousands more photos, 619 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 3: of course, so many documents that are in some cases 620 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 3: redacted but also not. Todd Blanche was not pleased with 621 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 3: some of the questioning on Sunday morning because there have 622 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 3: been rooms full, apparently of lawyers at the DOJ combing 623 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 3: through documents, but apparently not enough. A review here finds 624 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 3: that forty three of forty seven victims full names were 625 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 3: left unredacted in the files, including many who were minors 626 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 3: when they were abused. The disclosures are raising a lot 627 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 3: of questions here about not only compliance with the law, 628 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 3: the Epstein Files Transparency Act, but also the way the 629 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 3: DOJ is pursuing this now. Of course, it wasn't just 630 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 3: this law that was born out of a discharge petition. 631 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 3: The House Oversight Committee spent much time reviewing and releasing 632 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 3: tens of thousands of Epstein files. Of course, a Republican 633 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 3: led committee, but Congressman Suha super Monium, the Democrat from 634 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 3: Virginia's tenth district, serves on Oversight and is with us 635 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 3: right now as a matter of fact, lie from Capitol 636 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 3: Hill on what is day three of our partial shutdown. Congressmen, 637 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 3: it's good to see you. I'd like to start with 638 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 3: the way in which these files are being released. Will 639 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 3: Oversight follow up on these redactions or a lack thereof. 640 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 12: Well, I certainly plan to, and I know many of 641 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 12: the Democrats on the committee will as well. The reality 642 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 12: is this is over forty days late, and they are 643 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 12: withholding another two and a half million files, at least 644 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 12: by their own admission, and they're saying the reason they 645 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 12: withheld those files is to protect the victims. Yet even 646 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 12: what they released did not protect the victims. So it 647 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 12: seems like what they're doing best is protecting some of 648 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 12: the president's friends or some of the perpetrators, rather than 649 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 12: bringing the transparency and accountability that the American people want. 650 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 12: So we're certainly going to continue. There's other avenues where 651 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 12: we're going to try to get documents and records and evidence, 652 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 12: but certainly this is. 653 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 2: Not over interesting. 654 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 3: I know this is as I mentioned, we've got a 655 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 3: Republican majority. Is this something that might have to wait 656 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 3: for when Democrats are in charge? 657 00:31:58,960 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 2: I hope not. 658 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 12: Republicans who were cooperative with us, who have voted with 659 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 12: us on some of these subpoenas. You know, we've had 660 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 12: to drag some of the majority through this, but they 661 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 12: have followed at times because we know that this is 662 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 12: a bipartisan issue. Even many Republicans feel like there needs 663 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 12: to be accountability and transparency when it comes to this. 664 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 12: So we hope it doesn't have to wait that long. 665 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 12: But it's been a long time. We put out a 666 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 12: subpoena in August of last year. They said last March 667 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 12: that they had the files ready to release and all redacted, 668 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 12: and so I'm not quite sure why they're a daily 669 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 12: and a dollar short when it comes to this release. 670 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 3: What about the files that have not been released? DOJ 671 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 3: still has several million according to reports? 672 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 2: Will they ever see the light of day? 673 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 12: They will see the light of day. It's just about 674 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 12: what I will say that there are a lot of 675 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 12: things we've been looking for, like some of the victims 676 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 12: statements to a law enforcement a lot of the draft indictments, 677 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 12: that we're going to be file against Jeffrey Epstein that 678 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 12: were dropped when got the sweetheart deal. There's several things 679 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 12: that are missing right now that we were looking for. 680 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 12: And the reality is, I think there's a reason they're 681 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 12: withholding them. It's pretty clear that they're trying to protect 682 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 12: some people. And this entire case is not just about 683 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 12: the crimes that were committed by Epstein and Maxwell and others. 684 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 12: It's also about the cover up and why when people 685 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 12: were able to cover up these crimes, and who covered 686 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 12: up these crimes, and how we prevent that in the future. 687 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 3: You just start wondering if we're going to be talking 688 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 3: about this for the rest of our lives. Congressmen, you 689 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 3: mentioned the cover up in an attempt to hide I 690 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 3: think the president's friends. You suggested rephrase that if I'm 691 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 3: not doing a good job. What makes you think that 692 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 3: that's the case when we've seen a number of Democrats 693 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 3: like Bill Clinton in these files as well. 694 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, I've said from the very beginning it 695 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 12: doesn't matter if they're a Democrat or a Republican. Everyone 696 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 12: should face consequences, even if they can't in the court 697 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 12: of law because of statutes of limitation, at least in 698 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 12: the court of public opinion. We've seen, you know, members 699 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 12: of the monarch lose their titles. We've seen people lose 700 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 12: their board seats. That's the kind of reckoning that should 701 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 12: happen to anyone who was involved or engaged in some 702 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 12: of these crimes. I think the reality is, though the 703 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 12: President himself, according to Marjorie Taylor Green and others, has 704 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 12: said that, you know, releasing all the files will hurt 705 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 12: a lot of his friends, right, and so I'm just 706 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 12: using the president's words, and the reality is, you know, 707 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 12: if he wanted to be completely transparent about this, he 708 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 12: would have released the files last year because he campaigned 709 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 12: on this. There's no reason not to unless you're trying 710 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 12: to hide something. But any case, we will find the information. 711 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 12: We're also subpoenaing the banks and financial institutions as well. 712 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 12: We have, you know, testimony coming up from multiple witnesses. 713 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 12: You were close with Epstein. So we're going to continue 714 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,240 Speaker 12: our investigation regardless of what the administration does. 715 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 3: Well, you get points for consistency when it comes to 716 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 3: Bill Clinton. You did vote to hold Bill Clinton in 717 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 3: civil contempts after being subpoenaed by the Oversight Committee. You 718 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 3: said your goal is to hear from the Clintons or 719 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 3: anyone else who might have information about Jeffrey Epstein. Congressman. 720 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 2: What's this going to lead to? 721 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 12: You know, the Clintons are an interesting case because I 722 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 12: don't think they have a lot of information. I think 723 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,439 Speaker 12: a big reason why they've been targeted is because they're 724 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 12: a political enemy of the president. You know, I supported 725 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 12: civil contempt just to put pressure on them to come 726 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,280 Speaker 12: to the table and work with us. But the majority here, 727 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 12: probably by Trump's direction, is going after a criminal contempt 728 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 12: so they can put the Clintons in jail, even though 729 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 12: the Clintons have offered to come in and testify for 730 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 12: four hours. The one thing, the sticking point, it seems, 731 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 12: is the Clintons don't want it to be a marathon, 732 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,240 Speaker 12: you know, deposition about everything and not just Epstein, about 733 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 12: everything that they've ever done in their careers. Right, That's 734 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 12: what Republicans want to do is drag them through that. 735 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 12: And I think that's understandable because this subpoena is specifically 736 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 12: about their involvement with Epstein, which is what I want 737 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,280 Speaker 12: to hear as well. So I don't support a criminal contempt, 738 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,399 Speaker 12: which is going to be voted on by the entire 739 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 12: House this week. But I do support at least putting 740 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 12: pressure on them to come forward. 741 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 2: That's an important distinction. Congressmen. 742 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 3: We're on day three of a partial government shutdown that 743 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 3: takes on a whole different look in the state of Virginia, 744 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,800 Speaker 3: where we have so many federal employees, defense contractors, members 745 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 3: of the military. I'll remind everybody that partial means right now, Treasury, Defense, Health, Labor, 746 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 3: and the sticking point, Homeland Security go unfunded for now. 747 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 3: I know Rules is going to be meeting in about 748 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 3: two hours. Is this bill, as you understand it, going 749 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 3: to go to the Florida tomorrow? Would you vote yes? 750 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 12: Well, it's important to see what Rules does because the 751 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 12: two sticking points for me are the Department of Defense 752 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 12: and DHS and Homeland Security. The reason is because of 753 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 12: the way those secretaries in charge of those agencies have operated. 754 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 12: Secretary Noma've called for her resignation of call for impeachment 755 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 12: because the reality is she's not running that agency in 756 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 12: the way it's supposed to and they're basically a paramilitary 757 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,240 Speaker 12: right now. Is they are going far beyond their mandate 758 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,399 Speaker 12: and so to continue to fund them as outrageous. There's 759 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 12: no reason to do that unless we see some real changes, 760 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 12: and I'm tired of promises. So the reality is I've 761 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 12: been given assurances over and over again and then have 762 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 12: people go back on those assurances, and so this is 763 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 12: our time to put pressure. You know, we're in the minority, 764 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 12: we don't have the votes normally, but in this case, 765 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 12: I think we need to make a point, and you know, 766 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 12: hopefully they will come to the table and we will 767 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 12: get through this because I don't want to shut down either. 768 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 12: We have a lot of federal workers and contractors and 769 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 12: I want to make sure that they're protected as well. 770 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 2: That's Congressman, it's good to have you back. 771 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 3: I wonder how many continuing resolutions we need on homeland security, 772 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 3: but we'll find out together. Congressman Suha super manium Democrat 773 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 3: from Virginia, thank you for the insights. 774 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the Balance of Power podcast. 775 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 3: Make sure to subscribe if you haven't already, at Apple, Spotify, 776 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,879 Speaker 3: or wherever you get your podcasts, and you can find 777 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 3: us live every weekday from Washington, DC at New Time 778 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,320 Speaker 3: Eastern at Bloomberg dot com.