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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Yo, Elizabeth Dutton in here, Saron Burnett's name and joking

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Speaker 2: around McGee.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I was hanging in here with the new

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Speaker 3: new intern Rosie.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh god, don't don't move quickly in front

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Speaker 2: of her.

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Speaker 3: No kind of she is.

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Speaker 4: She's buddy.

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Speaker 3: So I'm glad you're here because that'll distract your a

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Speaker 3: little from my hands. So I got a question for you. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 4: I do? I do.

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of covering some road. I've already covered Pokemon, Pokemon.

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Speaker 3: Pokemon, Oh yeah, yeah, Pokemon.

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Speaker 4: And I've also talked about Cheetos before.

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Speaker 2: Yes you have, I have two of your great lovestional mashup. Hello,

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Speaker 2: So there was a Cheeto that looks like Pokemon Charizard

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Speaker 2: and yeah, and yeah it looks like Charizard, which I

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Speaker 2: suppose it does.

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Speaker 4: It's one of those.

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Speaker 3: Flaming hot ones flaming hot jar.

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Speaker 4: So I guess everyone was like, oh my god, this

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Speaker 4: looks like good Pokemon.

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Speaker 2: And then this first in Goal Collectibles got a hold

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Speaker 2: of it sometime between twenty eighteen and twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: They're being cagy about it. And they they fixed it

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Speaker 2: to a customized Pokemon card encapsulated in a clear card

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Speaker 3: Oh those are the best kind.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it you know, it surged in popularity

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Speaker 2: on social media platforms in late twenty twenty four. According

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Speaker 2: to somebody, oh the auction site anyway, it went up

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Speaker 2: for auction.

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Speaker 4: It just sold. The bidder bid seventy two thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: That's a lot of money.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't And then with the buyer's.

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Speaker 2: Premium it goes up to eighty seven and forty dollars

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Speaker 2: for a Pokemon Cheeto Cheeto card in a nice collectible case. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and that one, I think it came from maybe a

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Speaker 2: couple of people, But the one that was forwarded to

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Speaker 2: me was from Monica on Instagram.

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Speaker 4: So thank you Monica.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Monica. Well that's a good one. I'll give you

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Speaker 3: that and Monica. But you know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: I got something for you.

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Speaker 4: Please please tell me when you.

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Speaker 3: Look like someone famous? Yeah, why not have fun with it?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: It's all fun and games, well right up until you

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Speaker 3: decide to get criminally ridiculous.

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Speaker 5: Sure is ziggy.

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Speaker 3: This is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,

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Speaker 3: and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent ridiculous. Yeah, I know you feel me

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Speaker 3: on that, Elizabeth. You also love a good story like

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Speaker 3: me about criminal celebrity lookalikes.

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Speaker 4: Correct, Oh, completely.

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Speaker 3: Right, they're always fun. Well, boys, howdy do I have

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Speaker 3: some fun ones for you today?

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Speaker 4: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: Well, really, it's anyway you'll see. It's it's a bunch

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Speaker 3: related to well, I don't want to ruin it. First up,

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Speaker 3: I want to tell you about a woman who was

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Speaker 3: hired to perform in Sorry noam Okay, that's fun. That's

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Speaker 3: not common. That's like worth taking a trip right now.

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Speaker 3: The woman's name is Trina Johnson Finn, and the story goes.

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Speaker 3: Trina was a career backup singer, the kind you find

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Speaker 3: before her adventure in Surry nom Now. Over the years,

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Speaker 3: she'd performed like with Barbara streisand as a backup singer.

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Speaker 3: She toured with EMPs Hammer for five years.

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Speaker 4: Like a singer and a dancer, more.

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Speaker 3: Of a backup singer. Okay, now, She had her own

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Speaker 3: one woman's show that ran through a cavalcade of song. Right,

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Speaker 3: it's a musical history of Las Vegas. It was like

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Speaker 3: She had range, right, and apparently she sang a wicked

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Speaker 3: Now, Trina was booked by an outfit called Events for Surreyname,

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Speaker 3: and it was run by this shady promoter named Angel

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Speaker 3: Ventura or on hell Ventura, which totally sounds like a

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Speaker 3: He books Trina as the singer for a Tony Braxton

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Speaker 3: so Tina didn't know the real score, or so she claims. Now,

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Speaker 2: Oh no, break their hearts, Sarah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: You feel me now, This poor woman, she's got a

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm guessing it's not a huge venue.

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Speaker 3: Well it's a stadium, but it is. Yeah, it's not

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Speaker 3: I don't know if she's known for her dance moves.

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Speaker 3: Right. So she's out there and she can see the

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Speaker 3: this show. Some look confused, others look upset, some are

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Speaker 3: just mad. No one's smiling though, right, So Trina tries

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Speaker 3: Exactly Also I forgot to mention, but once she was backstage,

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Speaker 3: So the police though, since they have training, and they're like, well,

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Speaker 3: Now, so, Elizabeth, I don't know if you've ever spent

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Speaker 3: me tell you it's no country sleigh ride right Anyway,

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Speaker 3: Trina caught all kinds of hell when she was locked

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Speaker 3: like being locked up in a very poor country like Jamaica.

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Speaker 3: instead of her proper john, though, Trina was forced to

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Speaker 4: That's what I have?

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Speaker 3: Really? Is that what that is in your car. Well, see,

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Speaker 3: I always wonder where do you empty the bucket? Do

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Speaker 4: In the corner of a Walmart parking lot?

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Speaker 3: Not your bucket, fair bucket, their bucket.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm gonna guess they throw it out

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Speaker 3: Okay, the prison or the jail. Well, anyway, back to Trina,

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Speaker 3: enough bucket. She also remembered how bleak the living conditions

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Speaker 3: May of two thousand and nine. That's when a miracle occurs.

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Speaker 3: A miracle. Elizabeth, the ever mysterious long presumed disappeared promoter

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Speaker 2: Buckets of bucket.

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Speaker 6: All right, Elizabeth Zaren do you figure out who Snoop

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Speaker 3: No, you really don't know? You have any guesses? U? No, Well,

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Speaker 2: That was it his uncle on his mother's side or

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Speaker 3: I didn't examine his last name, Brotus. I didn't examine

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Speaker 4: Oh was it like play uncle?

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Speaker 3: I think I think it's real. I don't think it's play.

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Speaker 3: I think it's real. I'll give you a hint. His

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Speaker 3: name rhymes with cutesy rawlins. What, Yes, Bootsy as in

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Speaker 4: How in the what I know?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Everything I found that I could find online. It

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Speaker 3: Yeah you should. Yeah, I don't even have it like

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Speaker 3: bootsy is slang that you use all the time. What

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Speaker 2: To me? When I say something is bootsy, it's you know,

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Speaker 3: Okay, another one, all right, so that's a synonym for bootsy.

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Speaker 4: Think you know, uh poor quality? Gross?

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Speaker 3: Well I feel I feel like whenever you say it,

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Speaker 3: Bootsy Collins, what do you picture? What do you imagine?

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Speaker 2: I imagine huge platform boots, and like star shaped sunglasses. Yes, Bootsy.

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Speaker 3: How about his star based that he nicknamed space.

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Speaker 3: Well a little just about Bootsy. He was born William

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Speaker 3: His mama nicknamed him Bootsy. He once asked her, like,

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Speaker 3: Because I imagine like you was. It doesn't sound like

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Speaker 3: Bootsy's Collins. He's He first came to prominence in James

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Speaker 3: Brown's band, the JBS. Right now. He played on a

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Speaker 3: raft of James Brown's legendary songs. Hey, I'll tell you

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Speaker 3: him and his brother Catfish Collins low End. Yeah, Now,

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Speaker 3: it is. Bootsy remembered it in one colorful story about

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Speaker 3: Not on that son. I didn't hear that one. You

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Speaker 4: I like that I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I needed a father figure, someone who would criticized him needless.

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Speaker 3: A real tough, hard hand is what I'm looking for.

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Speaker 3: So in the meantime, Bootsy, he's trying to handle the

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Speaker 3: No, he's doing MAXI dosing MAXI do. Yeah, He's like,

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Speaker 3: No, but it helped him decide it was time to

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Speaker 3: They joined George Clinton's band, Parliament Funkade. Now that's where

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Speaker 3: Bootsy becomes a superstar, right, that's where we think of

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Speaker 3: So over the years, Bootsy tries on many many personas,

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Speaker 3: So his manager, Bootsy Collins manager Archie Ivy recalled quote

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Speaker 2: Well, that is a good point. That shows what a

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Speaker 2: Well, and I think because he doesn't like if you

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00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 2: asked me to pick his just plane face with no

434
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,240
Speaker 2: hair out of a lineup.

435
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 4: I couldn't do it.

436
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 3: Be very difficult. He usually's wearing a sequin top hat. Yes,

437
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,119
Speaker 3: star shaped sunglasses. You just see a bit of a

438
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 3: slender black face.

439
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,880
Speaker 2: Yes, So if you have the same build, then yeah,

440
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 2: you just put the accessories on and yeah, speaking come Bootsy.

441
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 3: George Clinton tried it on for a weekend.

442
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,399
Speaker 4: It's maybe it's like santy Claus.

443
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 3: Kind of Bootsy clubs George. As I was saying, George Clinton,

444
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 3: his bandmate been Parliament falcadelic. He found it all hilarious

445
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 3: that people wanted to be Bootsy, so you know he

446
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,199
Speaker 3: would he said, and I quote, I thought it was

447
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,120
Speaker 3: funny that someone got away with it that far, right, now,

448
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 3: George Clinton, he also tried to, as I said, be

449
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 3: boot become Bootsy, and to see what he could get

450
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 3: away with. So, as he remembered it, one time he

451
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 3: was backstage and he tried to make some young woman

452
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,880
Speaker 3: laugh and he put on the Bootsy costume. And George

453
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,200
Speaker 3: Clinton tells the story and I quote, somebody came to

454
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 3: see Bootsy and they had never seen him up close.

455
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,959
Speaker 3: And I put on the star glasses and said yeah, Bubba,

456
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 3: which was one of the trademark catchphrases of his persona

457
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 3: boot Zilla. So I was with the girl for two

458
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 3: or three days before Bootsy showed up. I told Bootsy

459
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,679
Speaker 3: I was him. So he says right to boss face, and.

460
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,920
Speaker 2: He's just like, oh wow, okay, No, of.

461
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 3: Course everybody in the story is kite high.

462
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:52,640
Speaker 4: Well, it's like.

463
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 2: When I was little and growing up, we'd be driving

464
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,640
Speaker 2: and if we saw a car exactly like ours, same

465
00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 2: make model color. My mother would say to us, Oh,

466
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 2: maybe that's us and we just don't know it, And

467
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 2: that just messed with my.

468
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 3: Head so badly sent your little head slide right.

469
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be like, oh what if it is?

470
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, parallel universe right there. I hope we make it.

471
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 4: You know, she got there.

472
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 3: Now speaking about there. But my man Bootsy, as you

473
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 3: point out right, he was a bit easier to imitate

474
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 3: because his look is so iconic and so people it's

475
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 3: largely a costume. People just need the star shape, sunglasses

476
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,120
Speaker 3: and uh. As his manager Ivy points out, it wasn't

477
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 3: like impersonating prints where he had to worry about height.

478
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 3: With Bootsy, you make yourself tall with platform boots, put

479
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 3: on a top hat and the star glasses and a

480
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 3: lot of shiny stuff. Bootsie's voice is basically a cartoon character,

481
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 3: so if you had the right phrase and attitude, I

482
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 3: can see it being pulled off.

483
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

484
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 3: So, now if you ask Bootsy what he thought about

485
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 3: all this sudden wave of imitators, he'd tell you, as

486
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 3: he once told Rolling Stone, and I quote, at first,

487
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 3: I thought it was funny until some close friends started

488
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 3: to tell me about how the almost Bootsy started to

489
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 3: rip people off because he's very positive. It's fun when

490
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 3: people are having fun. But now they're out there trying

491
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 3: to like scam in his name. He's like, that ain't

492
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 3: right now, that ain't Bootsy. So Bootsy did he get

493
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 3: to have some fun with it? Right? He even offered

494
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 3: his fans their very own Bootsy costume, like his nineteen

495
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 3: seventy eight album he had was called Bootsy Player of

496
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 3: the Year right. That album included a pair of fake

497
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 3: star cut cardboard sunglasses. A fan could cut them out

498
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 3: and become Bootsy. So this obviously led to Bootsy saying

499
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 3: at the time, it seems that in the past year

500
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 3: there's been a lot of fake teers running around almost

501
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 3: Bootsies who's been trying to.

502
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 2: Be me.

503
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 3: Bakaders. Yeah, because obviously the funketeers is to play on.

504
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 3: So Bootsy Uh. The very next year, for his next album,

505
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 3: This boot is Made for Funking', he had a song

506
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 3: called she Jam parenthetical almost Bootsy show. So he addressed

507
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 3: it directly and in the lyrics Bootsy sang and I

508
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 3: quote without singing, said everyone they were almost Bootsy decked

509
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 3: out in the staw shaped shades, little boys and girls.

510
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 3: They were almost Bootsy shining all over the place. So

511
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 3: there you go. That was some cute fun for Boots.

512
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 4: That's great.

513
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 3: So anyway, one of the almost Bootsies that we've been

514
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 3: you know, teasing out, they walked into the headquarters of

515
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 3: Warner Brothers Records in Burbank. The almost Bootsy he told

516
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 3: someone in Warner Brothers office, I'm Bootsy and then said

517
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 3: I'm luck my next royalty check.

518
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 2: Oh, like it didn't get delivered to the house.

519
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 4: I guess can I just can I cancel that one?

520
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 4: Just issue me a new one.

521
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 3: I was traveling, I thought I just come right to

522
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 3: the office.

523
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 4: To make it easier on you.

524
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 3: So the folks at Warner Brothers, they were used to

525
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 3: odd behavior from Bootsy, right, Oh yeah, but this was unprofessional, right,

526
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 3: and a little more than sus So the folks at

527
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 3: Warner Brothers they call Bootsi's manager, Archie Ivy, and the

528
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 3: manager when he hears that Bootsy is in a Burbank

529
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 3: in the Warner Brothers office asking them run me my check.

530
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 3: He thought it was because Bootsy knew his royalty checks

531
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 3: were distributed by his company and not by Warner rog

532
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 3: so yeah, the manager recalled that he'd just spoken with

533
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 3: the funketeer himself just two days prior in the Cincinnati area.

534
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 3: Then the reason why this matters, Elizabeth is that Bootsy

535
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 3: was afraid of flying. He would avoided at all costs. Yeah,

536
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 3: so he would have driven across country from Ohio to California,

537
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 3: and that most likely would have taken longer than two days.

538
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

539
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 3: So Ivy the manager, he had the execs Warner Brothers

540
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 3: stall this almost Bootsy who was asking for the royalty

541
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 3: check that the execs from the label. They did as requested.

542
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 3: They stall him, but they left him alone. Right, So

543
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 3: then they go they go back to the call. Okay,

544
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 3: we stalled him, and then they go back to him

545
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 3: and they're like, wait, where'd he go? Yeah, he took

546
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 3: off gone almost Bootsy, he bootsied out the door. But

547
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 3: he was not the last almost Bootsy because there were

548
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 3: actually there were quite a few. As George Clinton recalled,

549
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 3: there was this funny thing was how when he wasn't

550
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 3: on stage, Bootsy was not so outsized. You know a

551
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 3: lot of performers, but people always imagined he was Bootsy

552
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 3: twenty four to seven. So Bootsy was actually rather shy.

553
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 3: So it was kind of the tell if you knew

554
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 3: boots he was if he's being outsized when he's not

555
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 3: in a stage setting, it's not Bootsy.

556
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 2: That's like me, you know. It's like, I'm so hyper

557
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: infrenetic on this show.

558
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 3: So exactly the place I'm like, Elizabeth climbed down from

559
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 3: the walls.

560
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 4: Right, and so we're scaring in the in the world.

561
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 3: May meet you, and you're just a very calm today.

562
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 3: Kashmir sweater.

563
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 4: You wouldn't believe it.

564
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, wearing track pants exactly. George Clinton framed it. Bootsy

565
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 3: was shy. He couldn't have been to all those parties,

566
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 3: but people wanted to see Bootsy and be with them.

567
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 3: I went to a few places and people would say,

568
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 3: I just saw Bootsy. They might have been a couple

569
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 3: of them. So they're just Bootsies popping up everywhere. Yeah,

570
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 3: I just showed up with the glasses, the hat. I'm Bootsy.

571
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 3: So just imagine a world with a multiplicity of Bootsies, right,

572
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 3: would that be good? And that's like we need one? Yeah,

573
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 3: that'd be kind of insane. But rather than picture that, Elizabeth,

574
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 3: I thought I'd take you up run and personal to

575
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 3: your very own almost bootsy sighting. Yes, Elizabeth, I'd like

576
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 3: you to close your eyes. I'd like you to picture it. Elizabeth.

577
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 3: It's the early nineteen eighties and you were seated at

578
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 3: a corner table in a nightclub in Washington, DC. The

579
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 3: crowd is a mix of the hip and the hangers on.

580
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 3: All around you, you can hear men and women's laughter,

581
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 3: low conversations, glasses, plank lighters, spark to life, to burn,

582
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 3: the business end of a cigarette. At the moment you're

583
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 3: seated at the corner table, the coolest people in the room.

584
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 3: Most of the folks with you are musicians just like you.

585
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 3: You're the drummer in a local funk band, and at

586
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 3: the moment you and the rest of your band are

587
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 3: absolutely giddy because seated with you is the one and

588
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 3: only Bootsy Collins, the master of the space bass himself.

589
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 3: He's wearing his signature star shaped sunglasses, his sequin top hat,

590
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 3: and at the moment he's telling you stories about hanging

591
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 3: out with the famous folks whose names you know. In

592
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 3: the music you revere, He's mentioned playing gigs with James

593
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 3: Brown and the JB. He talks about his time with

594
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 3: the Atomic dog George Clinton playing in jams with Sly

595
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 3: but without the family stone. The weird part, though, is

596
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 3: how Boots he keeps bad mouth and everyone he's ever

597
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 3: played with or worked for. At the moment, Bootsy is drunk,

598
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 3: loud talking. Bits of spittle hit your face as he

599
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 3: tells you how James never understood that Boots he ain't

600
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 3: from planet Earth. Boots is from planet for Gozella, the

601
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: known home planet of the one and only boots Zella.

602
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 3: You dig babies now, ignoring the bits of liquor up

603
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 3: the spittle as he talks, It's fun to take a

604
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 3: trip down memory lane with Bootsy. Here's someone who seems

605
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 3: to note just about everyone in music. However, it's still

606
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 3: a bummer how he has almost nothing good to say

607
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 3: about any of them. His mood switches on a dome

608
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 3: with a great flourish Bootsy holds up a credit card

609
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 3: and waves it around like a composer's baton Boots, he

610
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 3: says loud enough for all the nightclub waiters to hear,

611
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 3: We're gonna have fun with this plastic Yeah, now, indeed

612
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: you all do. Another round of drinks is ordered, more

613
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 3: food is ordered. When the flaming drinks arrive at the table.

614
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 3: You blow out yours and take the first sip. You

615
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 3: think to yourself, it sure feels good to party with

616
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 3: music Royalty. There's a band getting set up on stage

617
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: in this little nightclub. Someone in your party spots this development.

618
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 3: It says to Bootsy, you should get up and grab

619
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 3: a base and funk this place up. Bootsy laughs at

620
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 3: the idea, ha ha, like it's a big joke, but

621
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 3: you won't let the idea go. You keep nudging Bootsy

622
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: to take the stage into unleash the Bootzilla on this crowd.

623
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 3: Boots he just keeps laughing.

624
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: Ah.

625
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 3: But it's like it's the funniest idea is ever heard.

626
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: But it's not that funny anyway. Bootsy turns to you

627
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 3: and asks, how are you fixed with cash? Now? He

628
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 3: says he happens to be caught riding low on the greenbacks.

629
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 3: He says he just has his credit cards on him,

630
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 3: but he needs some walking around money for Bootsy. Now,

631
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 3: could you loan boots Is some bucks? The question throws you,

632
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 3: and you hear yourself say, without thinking, what about your royalties?

633
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: Can't you just like ask for a line of credit

634
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 3: at a bank against them? Boots He laughs off the idea,

635
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 3: ha ha ha, same as when it was suggested that

636
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: he should play the bass on stage. Boutsi just says,

637
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 3: does anyone else in your band have any cash? A

638
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: little something to help out Bootsy? Now you're getting annoyed.

639
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 3: Why is this rich rock star trying to pull dollars

640
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 3: out of your band's gas money? So you say to Bootsy,

641
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: aren't you loaded? You're Bootsy? That elicits another big Bootsy laugh.

642
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 3: Bosieck loves that. Now the master of the space base says,

643
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 3: if that's right, baby Rom Bootsie Tom next up Planet

644
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: funk Azilla. He excuses himself to go to the bathroom.

645
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: The band is nearly set up. Now you wonder what

646
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: Bootsy will think of them. But you never find out

647
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 3: because boots He never comes back to the table. In fact,

648
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 3: you never see him again. And it turns out, even

649
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: though he waved his card around, he never actually paid

650
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 3: for all the drinks and the food that he ordered

651
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 3: for the table, which means you and the band have

652
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 3: to pick up the tab for Bootsy. So much for

653
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: the band's gas money. Oh man, So, as you might guess,

654
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 3: that was not the real Bootsy Collins. Did you party

655
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: with in DC, Elizabeth? You spent the night with a

656
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 3: high dollar almost Bootsy. Did you have fun? Right? There

657
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 3: was a lot of fun though. Yeah. Sure, Okay, let's

658
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: take a little break and after these messages we'll be

659
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 3: back with more fake bootsies, Elizabeth. As we've covered Bootsy,

660
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 3: my man Bootsy, Your man Bootsy a bit outsized, also

661
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 3: a bit shy. You enjoying the stories of I am

662
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: the dichotomy of the Funkozoa. Now, when Bootsy obviously was

663
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 3: off stage and feeling shy, he was still Bootsy that interestingly,

664
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 3: though he would be dressed as the space alien funketeer,

665
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 3: he would just tone down his behavior and use his

666
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 3: normal talking voice. He'd be at home wearing his star

667
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: sunglasses and some outrageous shiny outfit. His booking agent actually remember,

668
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: and I found this quote from him. He said, I

669
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 3: never saw him running around in Bermuda shorts and a

670
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 3: tank top. He was always Bootsy, So you know, bermudas

671
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 3: and a tank I don't know what's why he goes

672
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 3: with right, it's very early eighties, I guess you know,

673
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 3: you can make sure a lot.

674
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: Of people, well, you can either dress like that or

675
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: you can dress like Bootsy. Those your only choice.

676
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: In nineteen eighty two, that was the choice, that was

677
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 3: the law. So as you can probably hear, it's not

678
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 3: easy to become such a character and not lose kind

679
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: of like a sight of yourself or part of your humanity.

680
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 3: And the even more extreme cases, which is what Bootsy

681
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: was worried about, was happening to him. Yeah, Plus he's

682
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 3: taking acid every day for two years. So eventually, by

683
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 3: the early eighties, after a decade at the Heights of Funk,

684
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 3: Bootsy decided he was over it. Right as he told

685
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 3: Rolling Stone, and I quote, I got so tired of

686
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 3: living up to the Bootsy character. I'd become a so

687
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 3: called star. I just didn't know how to handle it.

688
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 3: So it was a real crisis for the residents Space

689
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 3: Alien And as he later told The Guardian, and I quote,

690
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 3: I got worn out from being Bootsy going into the eighties,

691
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 3: I was trying to get away from him. He was

692
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 3: hitting up the festivals, the stadiums, headlining for one hundred

693
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 3: thousand people. He was like a monster. The business side

694
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 3: got really big and ugly because I didn't know what

695
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 3: I was doing. I was just there to play music

696
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 3: and the next thing I knew everything had turned around.

697
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: Now this leads to a crisis for Boozy. Right at

698
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 3: this point, he's still gobbling acid like you know, like

699
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 3: it's Flintstone vitamins. So this is becoming a problem for him.

700
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 3: Eventually he has a bad motorcycle accident. Now he may

701
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: or may not have been asked on acid at the time.

702
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 3: I could not get that straight. But could you imagine

703
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 3: crashing on a motorcycle on LSD?

704
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 4: Oh?

705
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: God, right, are you just tripping and all of a sudden,

706
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 3: like I just can't imagine. I was thinking about that. Yeah,

707
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 3: And it slows down fat and then you just like

708
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 3: then you feel your skin grab against the pavement and

709
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 3: then it's like, oh my skin, where did it go?

710
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 3: So the shame of all this is that while others

711
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 3: were out having fun being almost to Bootsies, the real

712
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 3: deal is stuck being Bootsy and he felt like it

713
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 3: was a private hell to be Bootsy, And unlike the

714
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 3: almost Bootsies, he can't take off his costume and stop

715
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 3: being Bootsy because it's now a part of him, right,

716
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 3: all right, So, but he did step back from the

717
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 3: character he creates nineteen eighty two, he leaves the party

718
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 3: life behind. He settles down on the twenty three acre

719
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 3: ranch back in Ohio near Cincinnati. Yeah, his mama told

720
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 3: him to take off his top hat and his star

721
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 3: sunglasses and just be her boy Bootsy again, be himself, right,

722
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 3: you beaus up, baby boy. Now. Two years later, nineteen

723
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 3: eighty four, he decided he should probably also stop doing drugs.

724
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 3: Probably not just the ranch.

725
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 4: Advisable when you're on the ranch, the drug.

726
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's basically what he came to, he said, and

727
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 3: I quote, I throwed all my drugs away and I

728
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 3: stopped taking them. That's when it started to become clear

729
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 3: what I needed to get back to, which was the music.

730
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 3: So what meant for him keeping the costume off was

731
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 3: that Bootsy was seeing walking around his home in the

732
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 3: bermuda shorts and the tank tops. Eventually worrying what people

733
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 3: might call normal clothes, right, so he puts the star

734
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 3: sunglasses of the rhinestone top hats in a spare room.

735
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,479
Speaker 3: But not only that, he locked the door. Oh really,

736
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 3: he shuts his past self away behind a padlock. Meanwhile,

737
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: the almost Bootsies don't know this, so they're still going

738
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 3: around the world being full tailed Bootsies, still claiming to

739
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 3: be him and one of his new musical collaborators around

740
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 3: this time, he recalled his early eighties phase Bootsies, and

741
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 3: he described all these almost Bootsies, and he recalled what

742
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 3: Bootsy told him. And this is a quote of Bootsy

743
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 3: from somebody else. Okay, so yeah, those mothers tried to

744
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 3: impersonate me, but they didn't get too far with it.

745
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 3: He would laugh about things like that. He was telling

746
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 3: everyone to be Bootsy, but so when somebody did it,

747
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 3: he didn't really bother him much. Yeah, but the strangeness

748
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 3: of the almost Bootsies persisted. Right now, we're into the eighties,

749
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 3: go go, let me see what I can get away with.

750
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 3: Sure it starts getting to leaving the uglier right. So,

751
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 3: one of the almost Bootsies, well, this is probably one

752
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 3: of the last silly moments. He dropped off some laundry,

753
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 3: said he claimed to be Bootsie Collins. I guess he

754
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 3: just wanted laundry. Yeah, he wanted Bootsy to pay for

755
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 3: his dry cleaning. I guess, like I think he thought

756
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 3: maybe Bootsy had like an account there. Maybe he saw

757
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 3: Bootsy go there and he's like, let me just drop

758
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 3: off my drag.

759
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 4: Cleaning, the getting like a sparkly pants drike clean.

760
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do not know, but it was. It was

761
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 3: one of the stories mentioned that I thought was interesting.

762
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 3: Another one that was a kind of ticklish was they

763
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 3: had a fax machine in their home in Cincinnati because

764
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 3: it's nineteen eighties, and so someone faxes them and wanted

765
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 3: to perform a Bootsy check. It was someone in La

766
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,479
Speaker 3: telling people that there was Bootsy Collins, right, So someone

767
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 3: faxed over to the house his Bootsy home, right, And

768
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 3: so the almost Bootsy had checked into some luxury hotel

769
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 3: like I'm imagining, like on Wilshare Boulevard, right, and they

770
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 3: were demanding a free room and free room service. And

771
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 3: his wife, who receives this fact, right, she calls back

772
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: to La and it's like, no, he's here at home.

773
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: He is not there, right.

774
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: So meanwhile, when he doesn't sound like the type who's like,

775
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: give me a free room exactly.

776
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 3: But people don't know, like the person who's working the

777
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 3: front desk, the this is this is star behavior. They're

778
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: all like this or whatever, and they move along and

779
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: they approve it. So the the guy gets away with it.

780
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 3: The almost Bootsy gets a free night, a hot meal

781
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 3: and everything else. And his wife not as amused as

782
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 3: Bootsy would have abused. She was super annoyed by this

783
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 3: right because now they're starting to make it's a bad name,

784
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 3: it's a bad look. The press may get confused. So

785
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 3: another call comes to the house, this time from Vegas.

786
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 3: There were reports of yet another almost Bootsy. His wife

787
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 3: super annoyed with this one because the Vegas Casino hotel

788
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: had complied and given Bootsy the free room the room service.

789
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 3: Once again bad behavior on his parts. And now she's like,

790
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 3: that's not Bootsy, it's the impersonator. She's like yelling at people.

791
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 3: She wants there to be like a Bootsy block. So

792
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 3: my favorite almost Bootsy was in nineteen eighty eight. They

793
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 3: went to the New York Music Awards. He went as Bootsy.

794
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: He proceeded to hang out with other celebs, music stars,

795
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 3: gets in, He parties with Lou Reed, he laughed with

796
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 3: Paul Simon, he posed with ll Coolja. Yes, there was

797
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 3: another enclosed encounter with this same almost Bootsy in a

798
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 3: hotel in Manhattan. A bass player who knew Bootsy heard

799
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 3: his friend was in the hotel. So he comes over

800
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 3: to the law and he's like, and he sees Bootsy

801
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 3: because you're gonna see Bootsy and Apel lobby, right, So

802
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: he goes over to him and he's like, and I quote,

803
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 3: I knew what Bootsy looked like. I see it all

804
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 3: the interviews and had the poaches on my wall as

805
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: a kid. He's staying in the same hotel as Miles.

806
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 3: I was like, God, damn it, it's him. It's got

807
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 3: to be him. So he goes over to him, right,

808
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 3: he tries to speak to Bootsy and he sits his hero,

809
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 3: and his hero is acting funny, not quite like Bootsy.

810
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 3: This almost Bootsy is like trying to like, oh, is

811
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 3: there a bathroom around here? Right? So he tries to

812
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 3: like slip away, and he manages to get out right.

813
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 3: But that's not the end of this story, because that

814
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 3: same almost Bootsy tried to like cad your ride with

815
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 3: the young bass player and his band. He did get

816
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 3: in the van with him and rode with them all

817
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 3: the way from New York to Washington, d C. So

818
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, this is our Washington d C. Almost boots.

819
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 3: They get to d C, the almost Bootsy and the

820
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: young musicians, they hang out. They're like, hey, he's like, oh,

821
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 3: what where are y'all staying? Right? So maybe didn't notice

822
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 3: it at first because there's so stoke that Bootsy wants

823
00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 3: to chill with them, They're like, oh my god, he's

824
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 3: still wants to hang This is dope. So time passes though,

825
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 3: they're like, hey, darting to divvy up beds or whatever,

826
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 3: and people are like, hey, Bootsy, you're gonna go to

827
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 3: get your own adort? Should we call you a cab?

828
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 3: The keyboardist in the band, who also meanwhile hero worship Bootsy,

829
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 3: he recalled how and I quote, I'm thinking, here's this

830
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 3: established famous musician, what's he doing hanging with us? Why

831
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 3: aren't we going out to a proper dinner and then

832
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 3: saying goodbye? Like normal, if you ran into one of

833
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 3: your heroes, you'd hang out. Who wouldn't turn into a

834
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 3: twenty four to seven thing? This almost Bootsy much time

835
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 3: with the hero exactly? Dude? Do you never want to

836
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 3: meet your heroes, especially when they're not really them, like

837
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 3: a fake one of your heroes? Even once? Yeah, so

838
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 3: this almost Bootsy. He wants to talk, of course, industry gossip,

839
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 3: so he starts running down people. He wants a dish

840
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 3: about how James Brown screwed him and George Clinton screwed him.

841
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,479
Speaker 3: Then he asked this young band, oh, do you guys

842
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: have a little cash for Bootsy? And then of course

843
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 3: he disappears, never to be seen again. Yeah, smash cut Annah.

844
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 3: I'm California at the Annual Music Convention, which is a

845
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 3: national association of music merchants. Yeah, there's a guy there

846
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 3: who damn sure look like Bootsy. But not only that,

847
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 3: he's telling everyone he's Bootsy. So he's going around this

848
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: convention of music basically people selling guitars and basses and drums.

849
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 3: So this friend of Bootsy's who is there at NOM.

850
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 3: Here's the people shouting, Oh, Boots, he's here, Boots, He's

851
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 3: over there. I just saw a Bootsy. He's like, oh,

852
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 3: I didn't know Bootsy was in Anahem. I thought he

853
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 3: was back in Cincinnati. So, as the friend tells it,

854
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 3: I would say, what are you talking about. He's in Cincinnati,

855
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 3: he was here five minutes ago. So the friend tries

856
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 3: looking all around this Noom and he never catches up

857
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 3: to the almost Bootsy, but he did find the trail

858
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 3: of fraud that the almost BOUTSI left bey, Yes, this

859
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 3: fake funketeer got away with about ten thousand dollars worth

860
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 3: of even as guitars. Yeah, he had them. He arranged

861
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 3: for them to be sent to a po box in Louisiana.

862
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 3: There were also invoices from Limo companies. And then y

863
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 3: Bootsy's wife finally hears about this one. She's pissed again.

864
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 3: She tells the story, quote, he got away with a lot,

865
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 3: from what I'm told, thousands and thousands of dollars negative energy.

866
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 3: It was very disheartening. Yeah, So despite what his wife said,

867
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 3: Bootsy still remained a little amused by all the crime

868
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 3: and hijinks to being done in his name. One former collaborator,

869
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 3: he was telling the story to Rolling Stone. He said, quote,

870
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 3: we used to talk about that constantly, and every day

871
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 3: someone to say we heard he was in this place,

872
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 3: so he was here, and Boots he was always smiling

873
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 3: about it. And then when everyone found out that guy

874
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 3: was pulling a lot of endorsements, meaning he was getting

875
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 3: a lot of gear, everyone was sinking, Well, maybe that's

876
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 3: not cool because he couldn't sell that stuff. I don't

877
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 3: know why that's the line. He could sell that stuff,

878
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 3: like we don't want him profiting off being almost Bootsy.

879
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 3: So this same New York based Washington d C Corridor

880
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 3: Almost Bootsy, Yeah, he would continue to contribute to the

881
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 3: growing legend of the almost Bootsies around the country. One time,

882
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 3: another friend of Bootsies was in New York City and

883
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 3: the friend was convinced, or rather conned by Almost Bootsy.

884
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 3: This guy was that good, This guy actually knew Bootsy

885
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 3: hanging out with him.

886
00:41:59,280 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 4: Oh, you're kidding.

887
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 3: The musician, this guy, Freddy Perez, said, quote, you couldn't

888
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 3: tell the difference in his appearance and the way he spoke.

889
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 3: He used the same words Bootsy used, even the sound

890
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 3: of his voice everything. It was wazing. So since he

891
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 3: was convinced, and since he was a musician, Perez was like, hey,

892
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: Bootsy man, why don't you get up there and slap

893
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 3: your bass around? So, as he put it, I said,

894
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: I want to hear the funk. So the response was

895
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:24,959
Speaker 3: he declined, very.

896
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 2: Strange, ahead and decline.

897
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. What was stranger is while he was in DC,

898
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 3: this New York based Almost Bootsy did sit in with

899
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 3: a band. There's reports of him going up on stage

900
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: and sitting in, but he didn't play his bass. Instead,

901
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 3: he just sang because you know, everyone wants to hear

902
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 3: Bootsy sing. No one's like, hey, sit your bass down

903
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: for this one. Come on, Bootsy, give us those those

904
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 3: velvety tones. You know, what do you know of the

905
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 3: American songbook. So this same almost Bootsy he continues rampaging

906
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 3: up and down the Eastern Seaboard, hopping in vans with

907
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 3: young bands, playing shows as a singer. So finally the

908
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 3: real Bootsies team has to spring into like legal action. Yeah,

909
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 3: and they tried to put the kaibosh on this almost Bootsy.

910
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 3: So this is what the basically the point, This almost

911
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: Bootsy goes to the mattresses right like like they say,

912
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 3: and the Godfather. So now that they know it's a war,

913
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 3: so they're trying to get CAGI, so they try to

914
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 3: catch up to them in a New York and a

915
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 3: night spot. Almost Bootsy was there. He was celebrating the fans, right,

916
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 3: and then he's like he was sitting on a complimentary

917
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: champagne that he was getting from the management. The whole bit, right.

918
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 3: The DJ was there playing his new song because boots

919
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 3: he had a new song out, and it's just like

920
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 3: in this dance club, a couple of days later, an

921
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 3: executive calls that club and it's like, hey, how's Bootsy's

922
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 3: new song? Doing DJ's like, I got the craziest news

923
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,439
Speaker 3: Bootsy was in the club, and the labels X like what, Yeah,

924
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 3: that's impossible. What are you talking about? Are you kidding?

925
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 3: So he calls Bootsy's wife. He's like, was Bootsy in

926
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 3: like whatever club? And she's like, no, he was in

927
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 3: a whole other stage. Yeah, exactly disconstantly is this Bootsy

928
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 3: the one eight hundred numbers she's got set up? So

929
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 3: the exact he calls back to the DJ, right, and

930
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 3: the DJ's like, well, I got that guy's number. I

931
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 3: got Bootsy's number because I asked him, right, he was exactly, Oh,

932
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 3: give it to me. I'd like to talk to Bootsy

933
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 3: and he's like, of course, right to DJ, he's now.

934
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 3: The exec gets the number from the DJ, slips it

935
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 3: to the authorities. The authorities like top up and they

936
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: call it up dead end. There was it was a

937
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 3: fake number he had slipped them. They're like, oh, yeah,

938
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 3: he's my number, right. So Bootsi's people at this point

939
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 3: they're really trying to like close their net on the

940
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 3: New York and Washington DC area, they find someone who

941
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 3: knows them or says they know him. They pass a

942
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: message like this is like back channel US Soviet nuclear negotiations. Right,

943
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 3: So they find somebody who says they know him. They're like, well,

944
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 3: give them this message. Meet us at this time. They

945
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 3: arrange a meeting. He shows up. Yes, one of Bootsy's

946
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 3: people is there, and they took it well, a couple

947
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 3: of people, and they took it very personally. What the

948
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 3: almost Bootsy had been up to. Yeah, right, as his

949
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: manager Ivy tells the story, the man from there was

950
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 3: another man there from Bootsy's team, this guy named Waller, right,

951
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 3: and so Bill Waller he goes medieval on this almost

952
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 3: Bootsy like he was. Ivy tells it. Bill was from

953
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 3: the old school, and I'll just say he used.

954
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 4: Old school rules.

955
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 3: Like Bill definitely wasn't Shug Night, but he wasn't anybody

956
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 3: you'd wanted to take lightly. So Yeah, there was some

957
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 3: talk later about getting the FBI involved. Rolling Stone even

958
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 3: submitted a Freedom of Information Act. I found a request

959
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 3: that they submitted one of their reports on this, and

960
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 3: the reporters were told by the FBI that the bureau

961
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 3: could quote, neither confirm nor deny the existence of such records,

962
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 3: So I'm going with the idea. There was some investigation

963
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 3: almost now, the reports of his appearances. They started to

964
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 3: calm down in the late eighties, they seemed to go away,

965
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, nineteen ninety rolls around

966
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 3: Reggae Sunsplash festival in Jamaica, Elizabeth Bootsy gets spotted bringing

967
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 3: the funk to Reggae Sunsplash. Yeah. The next year there

968
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 3: were reports Bootsy was in la He was allegedly trying

969
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 3: to put on a benefit concert for veteran into the

970
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 3: First Gulf War. He contacted a British band called The Alarm,

971
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 3: and he tried to ye right, and so he tried

972
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 3: to coordinate their participation, and so they grew suspicious though

973
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 3: when he asked them to pay for his hotel room

974
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: and all his expenses, He's like, you could cover that

975
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 3: f a Bootsy right grocery. Meanwhile, the Internet is becoming

976
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 3: not quite common in nineteen ninety, so it existed, but

977
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 3: it was not like the band couldn't look him up. Yeah, exactly,

978
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 3: so they couldn't. They didn't know that d Light was

979
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 3: on tour and Bootsy Collins was with them playing the

980
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 3: groove is in the heart on international stages. They're like,

981
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 3: there's no way that's Bootsy trying to put together a

982
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 3: benefit concert for the veterans of the First Gulf War.

983
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 4: The Alarm.

984
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 3: The band they were suspicious about this concert, right, this benefit,

985
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 3: So they booted the almost Bootsy off their band bus

986
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 3: right and he leaves with his luggage. And my favorite

987
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 3: note is he also had with him a very large dog,

988
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 3: possibly a pet wolf. People in the b and could

989
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 3: not decide if it was a dogs. So was Van's

990
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 3: going around with luggage in a possibly Penny's that tight rolls.

991
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 3: So anyway, the band kicks this almost Bootsy off their bus.

992
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 3: He angrily yells at them, you will be hearing from

993
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 3: my lawyers. You will regret this, babies, Elizabeth, that was

994
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 3: not to occur. That was the last time ever heard

995
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 3: anyone ever heard from this guy. It was the last

996
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 3: time anyone ever seems to have heard from almost any

997
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 3: of the almost Bootsies. The trend passed on. So what's

998
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 3: that ridiculous takeaway here?

999
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: I know, I thought it was interesting when you were

1000
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: saying that Bootsy was like, I just want to play

1001
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: the music.

1002
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 4: I didn't know what I was doing in terms of

1003
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 4: the business.

1004
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 2: And that's you know what happens all the time. You

1005
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 2: get musicians who they're not they're artistic souls, they're not

1006
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 2: business minded folks, but yet it becomes a business. They're

1007
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: they're not a businessman, they're a business man.

1008
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 3: Well said easy.

1009
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 2: So I just feel for them and I feel for

1010
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: him because it's like, that's how they get taken advantage of.

1011
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 3: Okay, they want to focus on the Artaren.

1012
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 4: What's your ridiculous takeaway.

1013
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: That I have never been Bootsy Collins for Halloween?

1014
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 2: Oh? That is a crying shame, right, I mean.

1015
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 3: How did I miss this one? I've got a lot

1016
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 3: of fun costumes here. I've got something to look forward to,

1017
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 3: all right, Well, as we wash away all of the

1018
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 3: funket's here? And yes, can I get a talkback produce

1019
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 3: a d.

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Speaker 6: Oh God?

1021
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 3: I love je.

1022
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 7: Saren Elizabeth? Can I just say how amazing you guys

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00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 7: are one of my favorite podcasts ever. I stumbled on

1024
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 7: you back in the time when you did the Frank

1025
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Speaker 7: Sinolfred Junior kidnapping story, and I literally almost wanted to

1026
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 7: pitch my pants. It was so funny and so ridiculous

1027
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 7: in these times. I have to say, I respect everything you've.

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00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 4: Done in these times. Maybe I love making people pee themselves.

1029
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 3: Yes you do love that, Yes I do. I do well.

1030
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 4: I appreciate that sentiment from her that we do. We

1031
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 4: need to we need to keep it loose these days, guys, we.

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00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 3: All could use a laugh for oh well. As always.

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