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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you,

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Speaker 2: Vernon mahubble Back with us, Founder and director of the

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Speaker 2: Palmistry Institute in La In nineteen seventy nine, he began

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Speaker 2: formal training in Veda cosmology, resulting in numerous trips to India.

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Speaker 2: Vernon combines Western astrological palmistry with Chinese elemental hand analysis

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Speaker 2: continues to explore new research. A couple of his books

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Speaker 2: include The Palmistry Cards, Talk to the Hand of Field,

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Speaker 2: Guide to Practical Palmistry, and his website is linked up

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Speaker 2: at Coast toocoastam dot com. Vernon mahobble Back on Coast

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Speaker 2: to Coast, Hey Vernon.

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Speaker 3: How are you George? George, It's a pleasure to speak

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Speaker 3: to you again. Thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 2: We love having you on the program. You're just a

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Speaker 2: home You're a home run every time you're on the show.

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Speaker 2: What's new with you?

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Speaker 3: I'm very happy that it is a spring and the

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Speaker 3: planets are starting, I repeat, starting to move into better

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Speaker 3: positions in some aspects. So I'm happy about that.

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Speaker 2: This year seems to be rolling along pretty quickly too,

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Speaker 2: doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: It seems like a really quick year. George. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I mean we're going to be in May in another

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Speaker 2: week or so.

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Speaker 3: I think. Also because people are so conscious of what's

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Speaker 3: going on in the world and in their personal lives,

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Speaker 3: people are just aware of the time factor.

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Speaker 2: For the benefits of the new listeners, Vernon tell them

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Speaker 2: a little bit about yourself and how you got involved

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Speaker 2: in palmistry.

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Speaker 3: Well, palmstry is a brother or a sister to astrology,

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Speaker 3: and anything that an astrologer can see on a chart,

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Speaker 3: we can see in the hand. It's a completely different animal,

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Speaker 3: if you will. And the way we look at hands

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Speaker 3: is very different than the way astrologers look at a chart,

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Speaker 3: but the same information is there. And at the same time,

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Speaker 3: with palmistry you get an added edition of being able

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Speaker 3: to look at the metaphysical side and pick up the

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Speaker 3: intuitive aspects which are emanating from the hand, and that

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Speaker 3: can deepen the reading even more. So you can look

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Speaker 3: at the planetary aspects of what's going on in the hand,

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Speaker 3: and if you're getting psychic impressions, you can read around

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Speaker 3: the planet, so to speak. So it's very very powerful.

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Speaker 3: I think it's the most powerful system of self realization

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Speaker 3: or divination out there because it does combine the science

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Speaker 3: of astrology with the heart's intuition. It's very, very powerful.

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Speaker 3: But George, I got into palmistry. I think my road

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Speaker 3: began when I was seventeen, when I got a book

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Speaker 3: on palmistry. I found a book on palmistry in my

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Speaker 3: high school library.

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Speaker 2: Which is amazing. Some people get involved in terror. You

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Speaker 2: got involved in palmistry.

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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. And I was very lucky to meet teachers

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Speaker 3: and mentors along the way that helped me tremendously. So

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Speaker 3: I found my life purpose, I found my path, and

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Speaker 3: my goal is to help other people to find their

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Speaker 3: life path and what they're born to do.

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Speaker 2: What is it about the palm that gives you the

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Speaker 2: ability to read their future or their destiny.

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Speaker 3: Well, the soul, our spiritual soul, the actual entity of

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Speaker 3: who we really are. It resides within the very core

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Speaker 3: of our heart, and it is that soul that is

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Speaker 3: actually generating the images and the signs and the symbols

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Speaker 3: and the configurations that are on the hand, even the

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Speaker 3: the GPS of the soul itself. Very very interesting.

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Speaker 2: What does the palm say about the nature of our soul?

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Speaker 3: George in the Vedic system sometimes called Joe Tish, that

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Speaker 3: system of astrology also has a concombinant aspect of palmistry.

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Speaker 3: And our soul resides within the most innercore of our heart,

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Speaker 3: and it is incredibly small in the material world. It

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Speaker 3: one hundred pieces, and then take one of those pieces

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Speaker 3: those will be the size of the soul within our heart.

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Speaker 3: Having said that, that's who we really are. The soul

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Speaker 3: is we are eternal, That soul proper is eternal. We

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Speaker 3: The body is just a vehicle. So when we put

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Speaker 3: but the soul never changes. And that's what's interesting about that.

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Speaker 3: And the soul is constantly expressing its message through the

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Speaker 3: able to see what the soul has been working on,

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Speaker 3: what talents they possessed in their previous life, what abilities

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Speaker 2: When you read the palm vernon what are you looking for?

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Speaker 3: My goal as a palmist is to find out a

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Speaker 3: person's right livelihood. That's my it's always been my focus.

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Speaker 3: My focus has always been to help a person understand

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Speaker 3: what they're here to do, what they're born to do,

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Speaker 3: What is their life work, not just career but that

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Speaker 3: definitely plays a role, But what is our destiny? What

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Speaker 3: are we here to do? We have an individuality that's

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Speaker 3: another aspect of the soul, in that we are eternally individuals,

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Speaker 3: But that's my goal, is to help a person with

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Speaker 2: Is the soul God given.

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Speaker 3: According to ayr Veda and the Veda version, we are

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Speaker 2: If you were to paint a picture of a soul,

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Speaker 2: or if you're capable of taking a picture of a soul,

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Speaker 2: what would it looks like.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's a great question, George. So the New age

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Speaker 3: we are all one in spiritual substance. In other words,

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Speaker 3: if you take a drop of the ocean, that that

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Speaker 3: most important thing about our soul, though, is that we

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Speaker 3: it means that we are simultaneously simultaneously one but different.

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Speaker 3: And what is that difference our individuality. So, just like

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, we actually have a a form,

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Speaker 2: How does the soul then relate to the palm, For.

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Speaker 3: The soul is expressing its message through the palm, and

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Speaker 3: so so our soul is our computer print out. It's

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Speaker 3: its abilities through the hand. So the hand proper is

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Speaker 3: really our way of understanding what the soul is doing

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Speaker 2: How long have you believed this or have you worked on.

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Speaker 3: This since I was twenty years old?

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Speaker 2: How did you learn about the soul portion of this?

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Speaker 3: Well, the interesting thing is that I studied the Vedic

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Speaker 3: that we are surrounded by life. For instance, in Western astrology,

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Speaker 3: their hand or their chart. So the hand is alive,

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Speaker 3: giving a reading, they may actually pray to Mother Gaia

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Speaker 3: is full of life, and it is expressing its message

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Speaker 2: Our guest tonight is running Mahammel the palm breeder vernon.

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Speaker 2: Where does consciousness fit into this?

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Speaker 3: Well, that that is that is an amazing that's an

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Speaker 3: amazing study in itself. Modern academia in the Western world

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Speaker 3: that creates consciousness, and they'll they'll even say that it

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Speaker 3: says that when the brain is you know, flatlined, we're dead.

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Speaker 3: But actually, according to the fading view, consciousness is in

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Speaker 3: the heart, not the brain. The brain is a is

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Speaker 3: the part of us that controls so much of our

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Speaker 3: logic and reason. But our true understanding, our truth. Just

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Speaker 3: like Statchadananda Uh, the idea of awareness, true awareness UH

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Speaker 3: gut feelings, that's our psychic area. So that is our

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Speaker 3: that is consciousness. Our consciousness is our is our spiritual self,

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Speaker 3: our psychic self, our our intuitive self. That is true consciousness.

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Speaker 3: And the fact that the soul resides within the heart

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Speaker 3: is very telling because it's actually our heart that should

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Speaker 3: move forward spiritually, we understand that it's actually our heart

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Speaker 3: and our emotions that should should guide us, not logic

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Speaker 3: This absolutely, The hand for a promised is alive. It's

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Speaker 3: constantly it's it's the lines, the configurations, they're alive with

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Speaker 3: with energy and and and a palmist who's skilled at

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Speaker 3: if you will, that's alive. So just as we move

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Speaker 3: our hands and our thumbs and we pick up things,

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Speaker 3: and we were constantly using our hands to to a

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Speaker 3: train palmist, the palm is actually a living astrological chart.

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Speaker 3: It's it's absolutely fascinating.

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