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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the.

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Speaker 2: Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on the show, we

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Speaker 2: are continuing our new series diving into the habits, mindsets, methods,

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Speaker 2: and routines of the best deer hunters in the world.

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Speaker 2: Today we're joined by Ben Rising. All Right, welcome back

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Speaker 2: to the wired ton podcast, brought to you by First

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Speaker 2: Light and their Camo for Conservation Initiative, and we are

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Speaker 2: back for a round two of this Mindsets of the

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Speaker 2: Whitetail Masters series. So, as I mentioned last week when

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Speaker 2: we kick this off with John Aberhart, the idea here

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Speaker 2: going on in the minds of the best of the

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Speaker 2: best deer hunters. Not necessarily what their favorite tactics are,

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Speaker 2: not necessarily what they think about certain aspects of deer

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Speaker 2: whatever is. I want to know how they do all

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Speaker 2: those things from the beginning, Like what are the ways

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Speaker 2: what are the habits that are important for them, what's

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Speaker 2: the work ethic look for, what does their mental toughness

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Speaker 2: interested in getting into. I want to understand the gears.

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Speaker 2: engine that powers these guys to be such incredible deer hunters.

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Speaker 2: That's what we're trying to do in this series. And

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Speaker 2: I've done this with a series of twenty questions that

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Speaker 2: I'm asking every one of these different, you know, elite

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Speaker 2: can then compare all of these different folks, see what

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Speaker 2: they have in common, see where there might be some

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Speaker 2: unique aspects, and then what you know each and every

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Speaker 2: one of us can learn from all that. So that's

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Speaker 2: the plan for today's episode. As I mentioned, our guest

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Speaker 2: is Ben Rising. He has been a frequent guest on

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Speaker 2: the podcast and he's well known within the world of

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Speaker 2: his time with Drury Outdoors. More recently, his own show

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Speaker 2: called Whitetail Edge has continue to showcase his you know,

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Speaker 2: incredible knack for finding, targeting, and putting tags on giant

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Speaker 2: is laser focused on his goals and you're going to

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Speaker 2: does that and why he does that after listening to

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Speaker 2: our conversation today, I just want to give you one

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Speaker 2: heads up before we.

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Speaker 3: Get to that. As of this podcast.

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Speaker 2: Launch, this one will be coming out I don't know

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Speaker 2: July eleven, I think Thursday the eleventh of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: If you are listening on that date, we will have

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Speaker 2: a brand new white Tail video series from me and

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Speaker 2: Tony Peterson available for you to watch. It is a

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Speaker 2: educational kind of foundational video series walking through the very

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Speaker 2: most important elements to make sure that you can fully

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Speaker 2: really understanding how you read tracks, We're really understanding rubs,

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Speaker 2: We're really understanding scrapes, getting into the minutave of what

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Speaker 2: deer eat when they eat, how to determine what deer

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Speaker 2: that that is not necessarily the case. So we want

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Speaker 2: to provide that baseline resource for everybody. You watch these videos,

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Speaker 2: the rest of the podcast, or if you already feel

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Speaker 2: like these things are well known by yourself, pass them

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Speaker 2: Whatever it might be. We're hoping these can be really

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Speaker 2: helpful resources. The show is called Whitetail Edu and you

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Speaker 2: can find it over at the meat eater Clips YouTube channel.

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Speaker 2: That's meat eater clips Clips, So if you go to

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Speaker 2: YouTube search for that you'll find it. Make sure you subscribe,

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Speaker 2: advance for doing that. And enough for me, I think

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Speaker 2: We've had a lot of good chats over the years,

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Speaker 2: And so that's what I'm looking for here is is

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Speaker 3: And I mean he was I don't even he was

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Speaker 3: I'll never forget it. Like obviously I didn't get him brutal. Now, yeah,

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Speaker 2: And that's so hard to actually do because it's such

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Speaker 2: Well, that is a great failure. If you have to

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Speaker 2: All right, shifting gears. That was a perfect story. By

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm trying to, like, you know, there's different names

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Speaker 3: Like it's just neither has Michael Waddell or Terry or

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Speaker 3: same thing, you know, Lee Lukowsky. I mean, and I

433
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 3: know there's a lot of people now that they're always say, well,

434
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 3: if I can hunt how they do. I could kill

435
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 3: those bucks too, where they hunting zoos or you know

436
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 3: which you know, and none of those guys are gonna

437
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 3: sit there and tell you they're not hunting great ground now,

438
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 3: But they didn't always hunt like that, you know. To

439
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 3: make this video and hunting industry what we have made

440
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 3: it and what it's come into, I mean, I've been

441
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:22,719
Speaker 3: doing this twenty five years, you know, back when we

442
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 3: were filming on tapes and you know, it was VCR

443
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 3: tapes that were the productions that come out, you know,

444
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 3: so like to get the hunting industry where it has

445
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 3: come though, like it wasn't always on this kind of dirt.

446
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 3: Like these guys were hunting public they were some of

447
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 3: the older jury tapes are just those things weren't killing

448
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 3: always giant deer. But we're always having success success. But

449
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 3: what Mark is really good at is being very analytical

450
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 3: and tear and piecing together things of like just that's

451
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: why they be That's how Deer Cast came about and

452
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 3: all these things of years of them keeping notes of

453
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 3: what they noticed, like with moon phases and cold fronts,

454
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: and like they've taught us all a lot of these

455
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 3: different things that maybe a lot of us wouldn't have

456
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 3: caught like you know, your average white tail hunter doesn't

457
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 3: pay attention to a lot of that kind of stuff.

458
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 3: You know, I picked up on a lot of things

459
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 3: early in life, on things like that, But I do

460
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 3: believe it helped me being around people like Mark and

461
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 3: Terry and people like Leelak talking to Lee La Cosky

462
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 3: once in a while, and we're going back to the

463
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: days before any of us was any super famous at all,

464
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 3: if that makes sense, and bouncing things off people. And

465
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 3: you know what I was just really altered good at

466
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 3: was picking a certain deer out and grinding so hard

467
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 3: on that deer that he just I just would never

468
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 3: let up on him, like you know a lot of times,

469
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 3: Oh I killed him in the first or second sit,

470
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 3: third sit, But sometimes I'd have to grind and hunt

471
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 3: one like a you know, like a tick on a

472
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 3: deer's back. But Mark and them are just very good

473
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 3: at those kinds of things, of picking mother nature apart

474
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 3: and figuring out what deer are going to do and move.

475
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 3: You know, Andrea Toquisto is another one, you know, very

476
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 3: methodical at hunting deer and tight covered in their beds,

477
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 3: and you know, that's an art form. You know, I've

478
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 3: never hunted with Andre, but you know, the guy has

479
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 3: killed numerous really big deer in those kinds of situations.

480
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 3: Just the killer, you know, I just would have to say.

481
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 3: You know, it's the list can be long. You know.

482
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 3: There's people I don't know but I've heard names of.

483
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: But there was a guy years ago when I was

484
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 3: a kid that I really looked up to. His name

485
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 3: was ron Osborne. And you'll have to look it up

486
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 3: on the internet. Look up to ron Osborne buck. It's

487
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 3: like a baby hole in the born and it was

488
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 3: killed in Mahoning County, Ohio back in the eighties. And

489
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 3: then he killed a giant six point like the next year.

490
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 3: But this was back in the days when Miles Keller's

491
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 3: face was on the bottles of scent shield and things

492
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 3: like that. Like I'm talking mid eighties and so, you know,

493
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 3: just very cool. Miles Keller killed a lot of big deer.

494
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 3: But ron Osborne was a guy that really had it

495
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 3: figured out of hunting big deer on fence lines, you know,

496
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 3: on field edges or close to swamps and pinoak woods.

497
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 3: And I actually talked to this guy one time on

498
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: a logging job. I was like eighteen years old, seventeen

499
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 3: years old and was working the log landing that dad

500
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: had come out from cutting timber in the woods. And

501
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 3: here I was cutting right next to where he had

502
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 3: just killed this big deer a couple of years earlier.

503
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 3: And I didn't, you know, like eight years earlier, and

504
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 3: I was just a young guy working for this timber

505
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 3: company at the time. But when he come driving up

506
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 3: on his four wheeler, I recognized him and I was like,

507
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: you're ron Osborne. And he was just kind of like

508
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 3: took him back that I even knew who he was,

509
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 3: and you know, and I remember telling him I was like,

510
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 3: someday I'm gonna kill a big deer, like you do.

511
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: You know.

512
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 3: He was just like, I hope you do, but you know,

513
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 3: so yeah. I mean, I don't know. I don't know

514
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 3: if that quite answered your question.

515
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 2: But I think you pointed a lot of good examples.

516
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: There are people who are very detail oriented, people who

517
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 2: pay attention to the little things and get the little

518
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,479
Speaker 2: things right. That's that's important stuff.

519
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 3: I think one of those. Jay Gregor is another one.

520
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 3: Jay somebody I forgot to mention. But here's the other

521
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 3: thing about that equation too is these guys not are

522
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: only good at what they're doing that with their killers,

523
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: you know, they can kill when the time comes handle

524
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 3: that moment. They can handle that moment, and that is

525
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: really important.

526
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: Easier soud than done too. So, speaking of these little things,

527
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: what is one single change or choice that you made

528
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: over the course of your deer hunting life that you

529
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: think has made the most meaningful impact for you, from

530
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: taking you to like an okay deer hunter to a

531
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: great deer hunter. Like can you think of was there

532
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 2: any inflection point, Was there any moment or any time

533
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: when you change this thing or realize this thing and

534
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: all of a sudden it was like your eyes opening

535
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 2: to this whole new world, and that change your success

536
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: in a big way moving forward. Can you think of

537
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: anything like that?

538
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 3: I would say probably my first experience of killing my

539
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: very first Boon and Crockett class white tail, you know,

540
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 3: or like a grain and I killed it was pope

541
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 3: and young I mean, and I don't have any of

542
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 3: my deer officially scored, none of my deer entered into books.

543
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 3: But this deer grossed one hundred and eighty four inches.

544
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 3: It was a nine point that I'd killed years ago

545
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 3: on white tail Madness six, but that deer was probably

546
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 3: once I got that taste of that size of a deer,

547
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 3: I was there was no turning back. And I learned

548
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 3: a lot from that deer by scouting him and watching

549
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 3: him and just different things. And I learned a little

550
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 3: bit about cold fronts more and was putting some of

551
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: those things together, betting areas, scrapes, how they how a

552
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 3: big buck works. Because after I killed that deer, then

553
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 3: I went, I dove right in to where he was at,

554
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 3: and I learned as much about that deer as I

555
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 3: could learn. I learned about his betting area, like where

556
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 3: he was always at, what it looked like. I laid

557
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: in his beds, you know, I sat in his beds,

558
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 3: you know, And I just tried to just pick everything

559
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,239
Speaker 3: apart that I could pick apart and learn from it.

560
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: And that deer probably set me on the course of

561
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 3: you know, looking at big bucks from a deer's eyes,

562
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 3: you know, or like hunting big deer, trying to think

563
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 3: like a big deer.

564
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: Is that something you still do the day when you

565
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: kill a big deer, do you do you try to

566
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: then dive right in there the next day or soon

567
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: after and go in there and look at all the

568
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: sign knowing like, oh man, it was that deer, and

569
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: and drilling into stuff like that. Is that something that

570
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: still pays pays dividends these days?

571
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 3: It just depends if I have the time, because like now,

572
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: typically the problem is is I have multiple tags, and

573
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 3: when things are hot, I'm typically rolling to the you know,

574
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 3: I do what I gotta do. We film what we

575
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: have to film, you know, take care of the deer,

576
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 3: do all that. So I typically don't have time to

577
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 3: like instantly go in and do it anymore. Unless I'm

578
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 3: in that situation where I can, then I will because

579
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: I do like to learn. But I always typically end

580
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 3: up going back during shed season or whatever and really

581
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 3: kind of investigate to think to see what I thought

582
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 3: that deer was doing, if I was right or not.

583
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 3: You know. But then there's sometimes you know, you kill

584
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 3: big bucks that like you're just calling deer. You you

585
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 3: don't even know where that deer came from, so you know,

586
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 3: obviously in that situation, you wouldn't you.

587
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, not always possible, but but does seem like

588
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: a good in those situations where it makes sense. What

589
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: a great kind of way to you know, kind of

590
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: get inside the book, read re read the inside pages

591
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: of the book, if you will, and understand the why

592
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: behind a lot of that stuff. Yeah, I love that. Okay,

593
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: shifting gears. We just kind of talked about something in

594
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: your past or a past experience that really changed things

595
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: for you long ago. In that case, I'm curious now

596
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 2: about something that's happened more recently. Can you think of

597
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: anything in the last five years, any new belief, a

598
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: new habit you've picked up, a new tactic that you

599
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: recently you know, stumbled upon, or something was shared with

600
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: you that has dramatically improved your hunting. Is there anything

601
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: in the last five years that stands out as one

602
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: of those recent like game changers for you.

603
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 3: Probably more like the last six years, maybe seven, more

604
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 3: like six It smocks scrapes, Yeah, hunting scrapes, black widow

605
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 3: deer lures. And this is not a plug for me too,

606
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 3: because they're a sponsor. But at first I got with

607
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 3: them because they wanted to sponsor me because I was

608
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 3: starting my show, you know, and it was just a

609
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 3: very small sponsorship, but it gave me the opportunity to

610
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 3: really try it and put the lures to work and learn.

611
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: It made me dive more into like the true details

612
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 3: of hunting scrapes and how bucks use them and react

613
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 3: to them. And so that has definitely been probably one

614
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 3: of those things that have helped me trick some really

615
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 3: big deer close to betting, you know, and we have

616
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 3: video footage of some of that, like, you know, deer

617
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 3: we called splits a couple of years ago in Ohio.

618
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 3: I mean, I've just killed you know a lot of

619
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 3: big deer around those scrape areas, in certain types of scrapes.

620
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 3: So that's definitely that's probably been the biggest thing. And

621
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 3: I've learned a lot about deer lure because you know,

622
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 3: I grew up trapping and lure was important. Fresh lure

623
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: was important. Well, it's the same with deer hunting. You know,

624
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 3: true real fresh deer lure is very important compared to

625
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 3: dark looking bottles of deer p or urine that have

626
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 3: been sitting on a Walmart shell for months, you know,

627
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: for years, even, like it's just not even the same.

628
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 2: So, so what's the what's the cliff notes version of

629
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 2: a setup with a mock scrape that you intend to hunt, Like,

630
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: how specifically are you setting up your your standlocation in

631
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: relation to the mock scrape, and how are you creating

632
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 2: that mock scrape for a kill set like that?

633
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, well so a lot of times what I consider

634
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 3: a mock scrape eventually becomes a real scrape. Like I

635
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 3: will start making visual signs for scrapes even as you know,

636
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 3: early as now or July August, taking a weed eater

637
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 3: and opening up a spot where I want that scrape

638
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 3: to be, if it's on the edge of the field

639
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: or whatever. But most of the scrapes that I feel

640
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 3: like that I can really truly harvest a deer on,

641
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 3: Like if it's a particular buck and I kind of

642
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,479
Speaker 3: know where he's at, I want to try to set

643
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 3: up a scrape or two that's in between his bed

644
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 3: and where he's eventually trying to go that that evening,

645
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 3: you know, if that makes sense, so it's convenient for

646
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: him to hit it or you know whatever. Sometimes I'll

647
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: set one up in an area where there's does you know,

648
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 3: dough betting area, and I know those bucks are going

649
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: to be using certain trails to get to that dough

650
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 3: betting area, and I want to stage them up before

651
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 3: he goes down wind of it or whatever he's going

652
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,479
Speaker 3: to do. So that's kind of what I look for.

653
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 3: You know, most of the times those kind of scrapes

654
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 3: are a little bit in the timber. They're not exactly

655
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 3: out on the edge. Now. I do make mock scrapes

656
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 3: depending on like tree lines and you know edge cover,

657
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 3: like catching deer going from whatever, or like a deer's

658
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 3: coming into the edge of a food plot to you know,

659
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: check for dose on an early October cold front. A

660
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 3: scrape on the edge of a place like that is

661
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 3: money because they are going to hit that scrape every

662
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 3: time before they even go about their business. They're going

663
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: to hit it, Yeah, before they even start feeding.

664
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned a change you made there with a

665
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 2: piece of like I don't know, I guess you could

666
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 2: call the lure a bit of equipment. But what's what's

667
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: just a tactic or a habit or a practice that

668
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 2: you have. So a habit or a practice that you

669
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: have that others find absurd, but you believe truly makes

670
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 2: you a better deer hunter. So what's one unusual habit

671
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: of practice that most folks think's crazy that you believe

672
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: truly helps you.

673
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 3: Well, this might get a little off the beaten path.

674
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 3: But I will tell you an experience that I've started

675
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 3: to do and it's worked. I guess, I don't know

676
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: if it's worked or it's just and you know, you

677
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 3: might even think this is a little nut. But so

678
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 3: the deer I killed last year, I killed a deer

679
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 3: called ranger. He's two and fifteen inch gross buck giant. Yeah,

680
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: and I did not I had a I shouldn't say

681
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 3: I passed the deer the year before because I didn't

682
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 3: really like hav ingim within shooting distance, like I had

683
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 3: one shot one day at sixty yards. But that day

684
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 3: I saw that deer, I realized, I don't think this

685
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 3: deer is what he can be yet, and I took

686
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 3: a huge gamble, I mean like a monster gamble because

687
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 3: the neighbors were all over this deer. This wasn't a

688
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 3: very big piece of property that this deer was that

689
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 3: I was hunting him on. Literally guys hunting each side

690
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: of the property, which is only four hundred yard wide,

691
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 3: so two hundred yards each way from the center of

692
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 3: the property there's tree stands. I took a gamble by

693
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 3: not hunting this deer and like putting more pressure on

694
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 3: him and trying to get him killed. Once I realized

695
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 3: that I really thought he had another year, Like I

696
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 3: felt like he could do better, you know, be more.

697
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 3: And so when I did that and I gave that up,

698
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 3: you know, it was hard to back off because the

699
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 3: deer was mid eighties at that point, pretty easy, you know,

700
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 3: probably push a ninety thanks. And I literally prayed about it.

701
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 3: I mean I did, Like I just I didn't pray

702
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 3: for the deer, but I just I said, you know, lord,

703
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, I want to shoot this deer,

704
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 3: like I'm taking a chance, but I don't think he's ready,

705
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 3: and I'm going to back off. And I just know that, like,

706
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 3: if if it's meant for me to kill this deer

707
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 3: next year, you're gonna you're gonna protect him and I'll

708
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 3: get a chance at him, Like you're gonna I'm gonna

709
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: honor you in this situation, and I'm gonna trust you

710
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 3: that if this is what's meant to be, I'm going

711
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 3: to back off and I'll kill him the next year.

712
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 3: And I killed him October seventh of the following year,

713
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,959
Speaker 3: So on a cold front that was unexpected. I wasn't

714
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: planning to go hunt. I ended up taking the chance.

715
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 3: I had sprinklings of intel of that deer. It wasn't

716
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 3: like he was just all over me, Like I just

717
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 3: had sprinklings that he was around, and I went with

718
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 3: my gut and on day four I whacked him. And

719
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 3: it was just a very humbling, eye opening experience of

720
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 3: like because you know, not everybody believes in God, understand

721
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 3: that or whatever.

722
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: But.

723
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 3: I truly believe that, like real hunters have a connection

724
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 3: and they know that this isn't all by an explosion

725
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 3: or like mother nature is. There's a connection of what

726
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 3: God has given us to enjoy here. But and I

727
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 3: you know, I've been in other situations tracking deer where

728
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 3: I've truly went to the Lord and been like, dude,

729
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 3: I need some help, Like you know, I didn't make

730
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 3: a good shot, It's my fault, but I don't want

731
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 3: this deer to go to waste. I'll you know, I'll

732
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 3: honor you. I mean, I've told a story about that

733
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 3: with a deer Roman that I shot bad a couple

734
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 3: of years ago. Gut shot really bad. Back got hanging out,

735
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: but I knew he wouldn't go far. But he didn't

736
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 3: bleed at all, Like I couldn't find any blood hardly,

737
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 3: just little specks. And he was headed towards the neighbors

738
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 3: in a really thick hill country area, and I knew

739
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,959
Speaker 3: they wouldn't be fond of me going to get the deer.

740
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 3: And like, finally I sat down on a stump. After

741
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 3: tracking him, I went seventy five yards and it took

742
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: me an hour and a half. That's how slow I

743
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 3: was going, looking for every little tiny and I had

744
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 3: scanned this whole hillside with my binoculars. I couldn't see

745
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 3: him and literally I could see the property line. And

746
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 3: I just sat down and I'm like, I just went

747
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 3: to the lord, and I was like, Lord, I need

748
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 3: your help, Like I just I'm I'm at a loss,

749
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 3: Like I don't think I'm going to find this deer

750
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 3: the way it's going, Like he's either going to be

751
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 3: in a property and we both know what that's going

752
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 3: to lead to. And I was like, man, I really

753
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 3: could use your help if you could, you know, And

754
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 3: I promise I'll tell this story if you help me

755
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 3: find this deer. How I prayed to you about it,

756
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: and you know, I just really humbled myself before him

757
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 3: in Mark, I'm not kidding you. I stood up off

758
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 3: that stump, took three steps, and that deer was at

759
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 3: forty yards laying beside the three and I had looked

760
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 3: I had, I had glassed that spot. I'm pretty sure

761
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 3: I should have seen the deer. Now I'm not saying that,

762
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 3: you know, like he just but something divine happened. Yeah,

763
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 3: And I mean I never felt like I mean it

764
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 3: was it sent chills through my body. I mean I cried,

765
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 3: like literally had tears, and I mean I just got

766
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 3: emotional because it was like he was right there. Wow,

767
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 3: Like it was so I I don't know, man, like

768
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 3: I guess I would say that. I don't want to

769
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 3: sound like some kind of yo yo.

770
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: But no, that's that's that's incredible.

771
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 3: It's had some I just posted a story the other

772
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 3: day on my Facebook about my wife's dog, and you'll

773
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 3: have to go watch it because it was the same situation.

774
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 3: My wife lost her dog and he went disappearing, and

775
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 3: I mean, like this dog has made a connection with

776
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 3: her and he saved our family's life because the propane

777
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 3: stove got left on one day and like he woke

778
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 3: us up at night to tell us, you know, and

779
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 3: all the other dogs were conked out sleep and didn't care.

780
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 3: And this dog was a rescue dog that she had

781
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 3: rescued off the road, and like just a crazy story

782
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 3: with this dog. But you got to go. I'd literally

783
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 3: just posted it the other day. You have to go

784
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 3: watch it. It's like a twelve minute thing, but same thing.

785
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 3: We were coming home that night. The dog hadn't come back,

786
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 3: and she was, you know, I could tell it was

787
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 3: really bothering her, you know, And we had to go

788
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 3: for a meeting somewhere and we couldn't be back till

789
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 3: late that night. And we live in a very very

790
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 3: remote area of Ohio, like dirt roads, like just blocks,

791
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 3: thousands of acres of timber around me. And I literally

792
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 3: when we turned the bottom of the hill and I

793
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 3: had about a mile and a half to go to

794
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 3: my house, I literally did one of the same prayers

795
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: and I was like, God, I know you can do this,

796
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 3: and I need you to do it because I know

797
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 3: my wife isn't going to sleep tonight, Like I just

798
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 3: know it. And I said, I believe in you so much.

799
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 3: I've seen the things you've done for me in the past,

800
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 3: and like how you work, and I know you want

801
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: good things for us. I know sometimes bad things happen

802
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: in life, but you can always make good things come

803
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 3: from them if we trust you. And I said, I

804
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 3: have faith that you can do this. And I said,

805
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 3: I want that dog standing in the middle of the

806
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 3: road before before the time we topped this hill, because

807
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: I don't want to have to have my wife go

808
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 3: to sleep tonight without that dog. And there was two

809
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 3: dogs missing. And when we turned up the hill made

810
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 3: the curve, we had about another three hundred yards ago,

811
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 3: and that dog and the other dog were sitting in

812
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 3: the middle of the road, just sitting there waiting on us. Jeez, dude,

813
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 3: craziest thing. Like it was like my wife's like, oh,

814
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 3: there they are, and I'm like, no, you don't understand.

815
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 3: Like she didn't know I was praying when when we

816
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 3: were driving, you know, she didn't know that, Like she

817
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 3: had no clue. And I I mean, dude, it was wow,

818
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 3: Like I don't know. I've just had those experiences that

819
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 3: it's just no way that it's not real, you know

820
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like it's just no way, chills, it's

821
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 3: just it's just I just I've had too many of

822
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 3: those experiences in my life that I know, I know,

823
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 3: you know, what I mean, and I truly believe he.

824
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 3: I do believe that He will shine favor or you know,

825
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 3: in people's situations that truly have that kind of faith,

826
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 3: if that makes sense.

827
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: So maybe maybe the answer to my next question I

828
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: was going to ask you, maybe you just answered it.

829
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe the answer is prayer. But I was to

830
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: ask you, what's your very most important habit, Like what's

831
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: that thing in your life that either just helps you

832
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: live and achieve daily life in a good way or

833
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 2: specifically hunting success, But what's what's one thing that you

834
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 2: do over and over and over that really makes a

835
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 2: difference for you.

836
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 3: I pray for wisdom and understanding, yep, I do, like

837
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 3: I pray for that a lot like I pray for wisdom,

838
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 3: and that's more or less come in my older age,

839
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And I still fail, you know,

840
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 3: we all like I'm not, but you know, and I

841
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 3: sometimes still put deer first, you know, which I shouldn't,

842
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 3: or I put money first, or God? You know, God

843
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 3: comes second or third sometimes in our days, but truly

844
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 3: he should be first. But I've really come around to

845
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 3: you know, the scripture that talks about blessed is the

846
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 3: man who finds happy is the man who finds wisdom

847
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 3: and gains understanding and seeks it. And I'll be truthful

848
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 3: like that has saved me from so many bad decisions

849
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 3: later in life, like business decisions or you know. I

850
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 3: and I want to make people understand or listen, just

851
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 3: like if they're still with us here, because sometimes when

852
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 3: you start talking about God, it drives people away, you

853
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So it's like, and I've always

854
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 3: taken that chance with my show, Like that's one thing

855
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 3: I've always prayed about with my show White Till Edge,

856
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 3: is that God will use my platform for me to

857
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 3: be able to spread His kingdom to a degree or

858
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 3: the good news. But I hope like these stories of

859
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 3: my experiences can maybe like help people and be like wow,

860
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 3: that's pretty interesting. Yeah, you know, like I'm not giving

861
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 3: some kakam amy story of like you know, I healed

862
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 3: the demon out of that, you know what I mean.

863
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 3: It's not those kinds of things. It's just basically having

864
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 3: that connection if you so so you will And and

865
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 3: I never pray for like God, I want can can

866
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 3: I have this big deer? You know? I want going

867
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 3: hunting to day Lord? And I want you to put

868
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,720
Speaker 3: that buck right in my lap, Like I don't ask

869
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 3: for those things. Like I boldly asked for that dog

870
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: to be in the road the other day. Like that's

871
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 3: as bold as I've ever really asked for anything in prayer.

872
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 3: Typically I don't pray like that. But like, I don't

873
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 3: know if you'd say I was somewhat like testing. I

874
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 3: wasn't really testing, because you're not supposed to test God,

875
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 3: but I truly had so much faith. I was like,

876
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 3: I know he can do it. I know he can,

877
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 3: like you know, and I'm just like why not, you know,

878
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 3: Like God, I just want that dog to be sitting

879
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 3: in the middle of the road to make our life

880
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 3: easier tonight and she'll sleep and she'll be happy, and

881
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 3: that dog is you know whatever, and bam there he was,

882
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 3: so like I guess that's just But like, praying for

883
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 3: wisdom and understanding has been a huge change in my

884
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 3: life as far as like when it comes to decisions

885
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 3: and being able to discern things or walk away from things,

886
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 3: or like, have you ever had like with what you do,

887
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 3: you know, trying to get sponsors or certain business dealings.

888
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 3: I mean, if you ever had those instances where you're like, man,

889
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 3: this just isn't coming together, and you're kind of pushing

890
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 3: hard on it, and you're like, I don't understand this,

891
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 3: you know, and like you're kind of getting upset, and

892
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 3: then it just doesn't work out, and you're just like, man,

893
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, three months later, that

894
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 3: company's out of business. Yeah, or they're not paying their bills,

895
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 3: or something else happened, or it's just the simplest thing

896
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 3: of like maybe your car gave you car trouble that morning,

897
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 3: or there was a tree across the road and you

898
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 3: had to go another direction, but yet what you didn't

899
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 3: realize is that maybe God was sparing you from a

900
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 3: horrible accident that you were going to drive into on

901
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 3: the freeway if you'd have went that way, or anything. Like.

902
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 3: I think we always just kind of have to have

903
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 3: that awareness of And it's the same with me, like

904
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 3: if I don't kill a certain deer, if I don't

905
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 3: have a successful hunt, I have to you know, Like

906
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 3: last year I went to Kansas, first year in my

907
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 3: life I've ever hunted Kansas and didn't kill a buck

908
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 3: ten days. As hard as I've ever hunted, never killed

909
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 3: a deer didn't even have a shooter within shooting distance

910
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 3: except one day and he came in on the wrong

911
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 3: side of the tree, down wind and I didn't have

912
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 3: a shot. I mean, it was hard to accept, and

913
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: I lost my cool time or two and you know,

914
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,479
Speaker 3: and I think God was like showing me, like, look, dude,

915
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 3: it's not all going to be like you've had so

916
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 3: much great success in your life, Like you're gonna have

917
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 3: to learn to live with some failure at times.

918
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are important lessons too, very true.

919
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 3: So I you know, so that humbled me a bit. Yeah,

920
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 3: you know, so I don't know, like I hope that

921
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 3: answers the right the right way. But definitely, coming to

922
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 3: God about a lot of things in your life is

923
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 3: something that I try to do a lot, you know.

924
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 3: I'm just seeing just seeing his hand in too many

925
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 3: things for me to try to do that. Yeah, and

926
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 3: sometimes I fail at doing it, you know, when I

927
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 3: should be doing it more. But I think that's just

928
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 3: human nature.

929
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 2: Yes, we are all imperfect, that is for sure. And

930
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: that's actually a perfect segue into the next area I

931
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 2: wanted to explore, which was a few more of our

932
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: imperfections here. I'm curious if you can point to what

933
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: your most common hunting related mistake is, Like, what's the

934
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 2: thing that you continue to struggle with. You've been doing

935
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 2: this for decades, you're one of the very best at it.

936
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 2: But there's got to be something that you continue having

937
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 2: speed bumps with or something that ever once in a

938
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 2: while trips you up. Can you point to what that

939
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 2: thing is?

940
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be honest, dude, Like I have always struggled

941
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 3: with scent control, like and I don't know what it is.

942
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if my body gives off a certain odor,

943
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 3: like I'm a heavy sweater, like I really am, Like

944
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 3: I sweat a lot, you know, And I don't know

945
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 3: if that's what it is, But I mean I can.

946
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 3: It seems like I can just do everything possible what

947
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 3: I feel is and sometimes I beat them and sometimes

948
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 3: I don't. But I would say that's the one thing

949
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 3: that like really irritates me on certain days that you know,

950
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 3: a deer gets you or a dough gets you, or

951
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 3: you know, and man, that just drives me nuts because

952
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 3: it's like, and I think there's certain clothing, fabrics, certain

953
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 3: things that all contribute to that, like they hold scent differently,

954
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 3: or you know, and it's something I want to dive

955
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 3: deeper into as I get older, you know. And I've

956
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 3: used a lot of different clothing and different you know,

957
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 3: like carbon I've tried ozone everything. Sometimes they work, sometimes

958
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 3: they don't. Again, one of the things that has probably

959
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 3: helped me the most is going back to using like

960
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 3: the black Widdow deal or when I start getting deer

961
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 3: down wind to me now, I start spraying that deer

962
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 3: urin in the air to just try to calm them down.

963
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 3: And that has helped me tremendously, and you'll see it

964
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 3: in a lot of my videos that I do that,

965
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 3: you know, It's really helped a lot because I don't

966
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 3: think that like my scent is that bad, or like

967
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 3: my because my practice is like anybody else is that

968
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 3: truly takes it. You know. I'm washing the right way,

969
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 3: I'm using the right stuff and keeping them clean and

970
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 3: putting them in containers. It's just something And I don't

971
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 3: know if it's it can be your breath, you know,

972
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 3: nobody's ever told me I had bad breath, but I

973
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 3: don't know what it is could be. I think just

974
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 3: your body gives off an odor to deer. We stink

975
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 3: like we just stink. Humans just stink and reef to deer.

976
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,760
Speaker 3: Like you can literally put up a lay of gas

977
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 3: can in the middle of the woods and they'll walk

978
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 3: right by it and don't care about it. Like and

979
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 3: we're worried about getting gas on our clothes. They don't

980
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 3: care about that. They don't care about cigarettes smoke so much.

981
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 3: I don't think there's just certain things that don't trigger them.

982
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 3: I mean, like the Wens will smoke their clothes, you know,

983
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 3: literally stand in a fire pit of leaves and smoke

984
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 3: themselves before they go hunting, like the Indians used to.

985
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 3: So it's just I don't know, but it's just that's

986
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 3: one thing that's probably really tripped me up a lot

987
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 3: over the years. Sometimes I really get it right and

988
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 3: I'm doing good, but then there's times that like it

989
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 3: just seems like I can't get it right, you know,

990
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 3: and it irritates me.

991
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. I've been there too. So so

992
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 2: so then my question is what's your process for getting

993
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 2: better at something or dealing with a struggle. And I

994
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 2: guess you could. You could you could use the example

995
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 2: you just described that being sid control or anything else.

996
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 2: I'm the biggest thing I'm trying to understand is when

997
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 2: you've got a struggle, when you have a thing that

998
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 2: you are having trouble with or haven't mastered yet, how

999
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 2: do you tackle that?

1000
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, for one, I am not afraid to gain

1001
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 3: information from other people, Like I truly believe that. Like,

1002
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 3: if you quit asking questions or you you think you

1003
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 3: get to the point where you can't learn anymore, you're

1004
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 3: in trouble. And I can learn off fans, I can

1005
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 3: learn off anybody, you know. I mean, just because I

1006
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 3: have a deer hunting show does not mean I know everything.

1007
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, like by any means. And

1008
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 3: there's good old rednecks out there that probably are using

1009
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 3: certain tactics that I'll never know about that it would

1010
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 3: probably be game changers, you know. So whenever I have

1011
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 3: a chance to learn from somebody, especially somebody that's had

1012
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 3: some really good success that kill the mature deer or

1013
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 3: being successful at something could be anything that you're trying

1014
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 3: to accomplish, I feel like it deserves to listen, you know,

1015
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 3: And don't be so arrogant to the fact that you

1016
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 3: feel like you can't. Oh, I don't want to listen

1017
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 3: to that guy because I don't like them, you know,

1018
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 3: you still might pick up something you.

1019
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 2: Know, so so true. That's I'm right there with you

1020
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 2: on that one.

1021
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I imagine, like in the circle you run now,

1022
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 3: like watching you grow in the industry over the years

1023
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 3: has been really incredible and what a blessing, you know.

1024
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 3: But I'm sure you've learned a lot of different things

1025
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 3: by being around the people you're around in the camps

1026
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 3: you get to visit, and guides that you see, or

1027
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 3: just anything people you interview. You know. Sure there's things

1028
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 3: you've picked.

1029
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 2: Up every I can't say everything, but a whole lot

1030
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 2: of what I've gotten here now is from situations like that,

1031
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 2: that's for sure.

1032
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I mean we all got to start somewhere

1033
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 3: and learn, like I mean, just same with deer hunting.

1034
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't just pick up a bow and

1035
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 3: go out in the woods and start whacking bucks. You know,

1036
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 3: you have to learn from You start somewhere with somebody

1037
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 3: telling you sometimes it's not always great information, but then

1038
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 3: you take some of that information, you start breaking it

1039
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 3: down and using it, and you know it could be

1040
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 3: something from trapping or this or that. You know, and

1041
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 3: you start using that woodsmanship and I believe that's something

1042
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 3: as a whole in the hunting industry that we're really losing,

1043
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 3: is woodsmanship, especially in our younger hunters. Yeah, is that

1044
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes it takes a while to be successful

1045
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 3: working for it, you know, especially in states like Ohio,

1046
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 3: we're in Kentucky, in places where baiting is a you know,

1047
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 3: huge way of deer hunting, or like Texas and things

1048
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 3: like that. Like I think a lot of our younger

1049
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 3: generation is And I'm not saying that that's completely wrong,

1050
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 3: because you know, we need hunters and I'm not trying

1051
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 3: to pit and say that, but what I'm getting out

1052
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 3: is that, like I think it's harder for the younger

1053
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 3: generation that grows up hunting that way, like you know,

1054
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 3: hunting over a bait pile or something like that. They

1055
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 3: don't learn the art of scouting a rub line or

1056
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 3: a scrape line or a bedding area or why does

1057
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 3: this deer move from point A to point B on

1058
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 3: certain days or like that's the fun part of hunting. Now,

1059
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 3: maybe as they get older, they'll get tired of hunting

1060
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 3: that way and they want to learn something different and

1061
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 3: go do it. But you know, I just you know,

1062
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 3: kind of got off on a little weird thing there,

1063
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 3: but I'm just saying, like, you know, I just feel

1064
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 3: like we all can learn. And I mean I've learned

1065
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 3: things about deer watching how they react to feeders or

1066
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 3: bait piles, or I've learned things about deer that way.

1067
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 3: So I think you can learn something from every situation

1068
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 3: and use it to your advantage somewhere along the line.

1069
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, never, never stop learning. Now, you mentioned something you

1070
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 2: mentioned there the importance of putting in the work right,

1071
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 2: And I think that's a pretty consistent thing. You talk

1072
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 2: to anyone who's consistently successful deer hunting, they will note

1073
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 2: you got to work hard, right, But we rarely hear

1074
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 2: from those people what they mean when they say, you know,

1075
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 2: I work harder, You have to work hard. So I'm curious, then,

1076
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 2: how do you define hard work? Like what does hard

1077
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 2: work for deer hunting actually look like in your practice?

1078
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 3: Well, and I'm ashamed to say this to a degree,

1079
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 3: but like it never leaves your brain, just doesn't. I

1080
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 3: don't know how to say it, Like, I'm just going

1081
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 3: to be truthful, Like, if they're as an idol in

1082
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 3: my life, it would be big deer. There's just no

1083
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 3: handsifs or butts about it, like over money, over everything

1084
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 3: they consume me. Like I tell people, if I read

1085
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 3: the Bible and tried to be as good of a

1086
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 3: saint or a disciple as you know I could be,

1087
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 3: and if I put that amount of time into that

1088
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 3: as I did thinking about deer or strategizing, I would glow. Yeah,

1089
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 3: I would break in the room.

1090
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 2: There'd probably be a lot of saintly white tail hunters

1091
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 2: that they could read.

1092
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 3: But like I tell this to a lot of people,

1093
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 3: like I don't play baseball, I don't golf. I don't

1094
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 3: play softball on the weekends with my buddies. I don't

1095
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,439
Speaker 3: ride four wheelers for fun. I have them, but they're

1096
01:00:56,440 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 3: not for a TV. And you know, like I have

1097
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 3: just honestly marked like I have been so serious about

1098
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 3: big white tails that like I just can't even explain

1099
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 3: that to some people, Like really how I look at it,

1100
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 3: And that's it's just really how it is. And I

1101
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 3: mean it's it's a it can be a detriment to

1102
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 3: a degree, you know, Like I remember when my kids

1103
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 3: were little, we'd go on camping trips. You know, we

1104
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 3: had campers, and you know, I get off work from

1105
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 3: logging for the week or whatever, and we take the

1106
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 3: camper and go somewhere like West Branch Reservoir in Ohio

1107
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 3: and go camping. And I'd always take the deer hunting

1108
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 3: magazines with me, you know. And my wife finally one

1109
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 3: day said, I want you to be present when you're

1110
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 3: with us, like it's not And so I had to.

1111
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 3: I had to, and I find myself as I get older,

1112
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 3: I'm way easier to do that now, but when I

1113
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 3: was younger, I had to really catch myself because I

1114
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 3: was taking precious time away. And one thing I do

1115
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 3: think I did too, was like, you know, because I've

1116
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 3: always filmed since my kids were little, and I think

1117
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 3: that puts some pressure on my kids. It maybe has

1118
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 3: somewhat pushed them away from hunting, you know, maybe not

1119
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 3: so much pushed them away, but it's more of a

1120
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 3: thing of like I don't know how you'd say, like

1121
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 3: maybe being in the shadow of somebody that has a reputation,

1122
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 3: you know, like being the like say, for instance, like

1123
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 3: Hank Williams Junior always felt like he had something to

1124
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 3: prove because Hank Williams was his daddy. Well, and I

1125
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 3: don't know if that could maybe relate to some of

1126
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 3: my boys, Like, you know, they like to hunt and

1127
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 3: you know, but they don't care about filming. They don't

1128
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 3: want that camera around for the most part. And that's fine,

1129
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 3: Like I don't care, Like I just want them to

1130
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 3: hunt and enjoy, you know, being out there. But I'm

1131
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 3: just saying, like we can take it too far. We can.

1132
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 3: And and so I guess when I when you ask,

1133
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 3: like how much, like what does work considered to me?

1134
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 3: But like I probably work harder than the average guy

1135
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 3: in general, just at what I do daily through my life,

1136
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 3: you know. And I have a lot of these people

1137
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 3: that say, man, boy, you're so lucky. You know, you

1138
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 3: have a deer hunting show. You got a nice truck,

1139
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 3: and you own land and you know, nice house, and man,

1140
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 3: it must be nice to be that lucky all the time.

1141
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 3: And you know. And the thing is is it's like,

1142
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 3: you know, I tell them, like, yeah, well, you know,

1143
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 3: the funny thing is the harder I work, the luckier

1144
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 3: I get, you know, And the harder I work at

1145
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 3: killing big deer, the more I kill. Like it's just

1146
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 3: I don't know, So I guess it's just priorities, you

1147
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 3: know what your goals are, and I think the biggest

1148
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 3: thing is hunt smarter, not harder. Working to put yourself

1149
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 3: in those positions, you have to work hard, But when

1150
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 3: it comes to the actual hunting side of things and

1151
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 3: being in that deer's territory, you have to be smart

1152
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,919
Speaker 3: how you hunt. And typically if you know, if you've

1153
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 3: done your homework and you know enough about that deer,

1154
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 3: you should kill him the first or second, third sit.

1155
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 2: So so tagging onto that then that hunting smarter versus

1156
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 2: necessarily always harder. Ideally both. But but I get what

1157
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 2: you're saying. Something I'm really interested in, probably because I

1158
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 2: find myself I don't know if I want to say struggle,

1159
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 2: but it's always a big part of my hunt is

1160
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 2: the decision making process before heading out. I'm curious about

1161
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 2: what your decision making process looks like when you are

1162
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 2: deciding where you're gonna hunt on a given day or

1163
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 2: morning or evening. You know, there's there's all these different

1164
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 2: variables that might be going through your mind. What does

1165
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 2: that look like for you, Like the d I'm very curious. Yeah,

1166
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 2: tell me about.

1167
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 3: Because I'll be honest, Like I'll be truthful Mark, Like

1168
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 3: sometimes because people think like guys like me probably haven't

1169
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 3: all figured out, and I know from the second I

1170
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 3: wake up where I'm going to be that day. Now,

1171
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 3: there has been those times like I know this is

1172
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 3: what I got to do. But then there's times that,

1173
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 3: just like Ranger last year, I didn't have enough information

1174
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 3: and he was just giving me sprinkles of info, and

1175
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 3: so I had to go with my gut. I had

1176
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 3: to go with I had to dig deep and be like, Okay,

1177
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 3: this is what I've seen that he's done in the past.

1178
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 3: This is what little bit of information I have from

1179
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 3: the cameras this year. Because I can't be there to scout,

1180
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 3: I can't be there to watch a lot of like

1181
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 3: where he was at, I couldn't even see. You couldn't

1182
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 3: see from a road if you wanted to, you know,

1183
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 3: you couldn't glass, you couldn't And so I had to

1184
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 3: take all those little bits of information and try to

1185
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 3: put them in a I don't know how you say it,

1186
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 3: just a package and then like break it down like Okay,

1187
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 3: let's try this, and then feel good about it. So

1188
01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 3: sometimes it literally my decision sometimes isn't even made until

1189
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 3: I start the walk in, Like it's been that crazy

1190
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 3: at times, and sometimes I've changed my walk in and

1191
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 3: went somewhere else. It can be a torture in a

1192
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 3: man's brain like myselves.

1193
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but is there anything over the years

1194
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 2: that's helped you deal with that struggle? Because I'm in

1195
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 2: the same boat. It's torture for me too. I'm analyzing

1196
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:25,919
Speaker 2: a thousand different things, all these different ideas, and I've

1197
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 2: slowly gotten better maybe, But I'm curious if there's if

1198
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 2: there's been anything over time that's helped you better make

1199
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 2: sense of that or better filter all these different inputs.

1200
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 3: Well, so this is something and I kind of say

1201
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 3: this sometimes, and I say this lightly. I don't say

1202
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 3: this in a like a but really a deer is

1203
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 3: just a goat with horns, you know, like try to

1204
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 3: dumb it down a bit, you know. Big deer just

1205
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 3: really good at surviving, you know. And I think every

1206
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 3: situation depends on where you're hunting. You know, like if

1207
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 3: you're hunting extremely pressured deer on public land, well then

1208
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 3: you know you're you're hunting deer that are going to

1209
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 3: move very minimal in daylight, so you need to be

1210
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 3: as close to them as you can possibly be when

1211
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 3: they do move in daylight? Does that mean you get

1212
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 3: in there an hour before dark in the morning or

1213
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 3: before daylight? I mean, and you sit there all day

1214
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 3: waiting for that fifteen minutes of daylight at the end

1215
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 3: of the day. That's what you got to do, even

1216
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 3: though you know he's going to enter the bedding area

1217
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 3: from another way. But you know there's no other way

1218
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 3: to get in there except for the cover of darkness

1219
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 3: from the back door in the morning and wait for

1220
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 3: him to come out that side in the evening. Stuff

1221
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 3: like that. That's what separates the killers from the hunters.

1222
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 3: Extreme extremism. You know, there's just so many little things

1223
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 3: that I don't know you could, I don't know, just

1224
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 3: a lot of that, but deer have I consider it

1225
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 3: to be three basic needs. They need to eat, they

1226
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 3: need to drink, and they need to have sex. That's

1227
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 3: breeding is those are the three things are a lot

1228
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 3: like a man, you know, I mean, just seriously, like

1229
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 3: to break it down, like those three things next to

1230
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 3: having to breathe, there are their life. And a lot

1231
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 3: of people don't put enough emphasis on the water situation,

1232
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 3: especially in early season, but you know, that's really kind

1233
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 3: of how you need to break it down and like

1234
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 3: you take those things and then you start thinking about, Okay, well,

1235
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,719
Speaker 3: if this deer moves tonight, he probably got a drink there.

1236
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 3: If I'm sitting here, I can catch him going to

1237
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 3: that food plot or that clover field or Old Man

1238
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 3: Johnson's cornfield or no, he's it's this time of year.

1239
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:55,679
Speaker 3: He's going to be looking for Nelly's over there and

1240
01:08:55,960 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 3: Don's hayfield. You know, there's just simple things like I

1241
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 3: shouldn't say they're simple, but you know October green, you know,

1242
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 3: November grain, you know November December grain. You know, except

1243
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 3: for certain days and they want to hit green, and

1244
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 3: like it's just really hard to put it at any

1245
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 3: one thing. You just kind of have to know that

1246
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 3: particular situation and ask yourself those questions, you know, And

1247
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:31,679
Speaker 3: sometimes I truly believe less's best, like you know, putting

1248
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 3: the I guess least amount of a lot of effort,

1249
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 3: but a least amount of thinking about deer. Like you know,

1250
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 3: going in to try to manage a property. Sometimes you

1251
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 3: can take a property that's always had big bucks on

1252
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 3: it for years and then you finally get a crack

1253
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 3: at it, and you think you're going to go in

1254
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 3: there and you know, put all these food plots in

1255
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 3: and do all this crazy management, and all you do

1256
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 3: is drive the deer out, right, So, like I think

1257
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,040
Speaker 3: sometimes you just every situation.

1258
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 2: Is yeah, yeah, that's the truth. You talked about hard work,

1259
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 2: You've talked about kind of having a certain sense of

1260
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,640
Speaker 2: like extremism, like you're willing to take things to the

1261
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 2: next level that maybe the average person isn't talked about

1262
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 2: your decision making process. I think something that probably is

1263
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 2: consistent across all of that. You haven't said these words yet,

1264
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 2: but I think it's kind of underneath the surface is

1265
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 2: mental toughness. You know, can you can you speak to

1266
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 2: how mental toughness factors into your hunting success, if at all?

1267
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 2: And then also like how do you define mental toughness,

1268
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 2: Like what does that look like for you?

1269
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, so it's really odd, like I can barely

1270
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 3: sit my butt in front of a TV for more

1271
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 3: than fifteen to twenty minutes unless it's really something I'm

1272
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 3: interested in, you know what I mean. But I can

1273
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 3: sit in a deer stand waiting on a buck for

1274
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 3: nine hours, you know, and not get bored, you know,

1275
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 3: Like I don't know, I guess it's and in that

1276
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 3: mental game. But then there can be times, and I'll

1277
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 3: be honest, like there's times, especially late season, like when

1278
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 3: if you're somewhere trying to grind it out in December,

1279
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 3: after a lot of the gun seasons and archery's been

1280
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 3: in for a long time, and you're trying to get

1281
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 3: the dupe on a big you know, a mature deer,

1282
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 3: not just a deer, but a mature deer, and deer

1283
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 3: movement in general is at a very low, like the

1284
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 3: rut's over. Could be a sprinkling of second rut you

1285
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 3: know here and there, but you're generally hunting deer that

1286
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 3: are just scared to death. You know. That is a

1287
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 3: grind on a person's mind. Yeah, Like because you're not

1288
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 3: seeing a lot of movement. I mean even I can

1289
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 3: struggle at those points, especially if you don't have the

1290
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 3: info you really need, like and you're not on something particular,

1291
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 3: like if you're like last year, I went to Iowa

1292
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 3: for a little bit for just a couple of days

1293
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 3: in December, right after Christmas. I'm like, I'm gonna try it.

1294
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 3: I need to try to get this tag. Fil went

1295
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 3: to a spot, didn't you know, had a little bit

1296
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 3: of intel, but not much. And the deer just they

1297
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 3: weren't moving. They were scared to death. Everything made a

1298
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 3: noise everywhere you stepped, every like they could hear you,

1299
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,759
Speaker 3: like they could be You'd take three steps into the

1300
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 3: area to try to get into a seater ticket or

1301
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 3: somewhere to go, and the whole hillside would bust out

1302
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 3: with deer and you're like, like, you know what I mean,

1303
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 3: Like those days can really eat at you. Yeah, and so,

1304
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 3: but then again, I think there's times where you just

1305
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 3: finally say, you know what, I've had enough. I've had

1306
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 3: a good season. It's time to pack up and go home. Like,

1307
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, Like it's just I think

1308
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 3: you can't take the fun out of it. And if

1309
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 3: it starts getting to a point where it's making you

1310
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 3: moody and angry, and you know, I think that's when

1311
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 3: we got to check ourselves.

1312
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 2: Well, what do you do though? And maybe what you

1313
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 2: just said is what you do sometimes, But what do

1314
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 2: you do when you find yourself in that kind of

1315
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 2: situation where you're exhausted, frustrated, stumped, you know, trying to

1316
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 2: figure out a hunter something like when you find yourself

1317
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 2: in those like lowest of low moments as a deer hunter,

1318
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 2: how do you fight back? Like, how do you get

1319
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 2: through that? What do you do? You have some.

1320
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 3: Printings, don't definitely. One thing is don't be filling your

1321
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 3: mind with social media and watching where other people are

1322
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 3: having success, so negativity or negativity, because you can really

1323
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 3: beat yourself up quick. You know, try to stay in

1324
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 3: a positive mindset. You know, eat good, try to you know,

1325
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 3: don't bet in tons of sugar and stuff that's going

1326
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 3: to make you feel like crap through the day, you know,

1327
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 3: because like that gives you those increases of dopamine, but

1328
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 3: then big lutdowns and you don't handle mood swings right,

1329
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 3: you know. I being comfortable when you're hunting in those

1330
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 3: situations like if you're cold, you're you're not gonna last

1331
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,839
Speaker 3: like you need to be. You need to do everything

1332
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 3: for yourself, I guess self care in a sense to

1333
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 3: be able to withstand those boring moments. But you always

1334
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 3: have to have in the back of your mind that

1335
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 3: it could happen at any second, because that's a lot

1336
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 3: of times how it happens. I mean, you can just

1337
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 3: be sitting there through the most bored five days of

1338
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:32,680
Speaker 3: your life and then within fifteen seconds it's over and

1339
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 3: you just shot at one to eighty or you weren't.

1340
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 2: It can just way and it disappeared.

1341
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, So like it, I don't know. Like it

1342
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 3: is tough. It's a it's a very tough thing. And

1343
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 3: it's really I don't think it's anything you can just

1344
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 3: teach people. It's like you either got it in here

1345
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 3: or you don't. Sometimes some days I have it in me.

1346
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 3: Some days I don't have it in me, and I

1347
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 3: just go home.

1348
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:55,640
Speaker 4: You know.

1349
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 3: I used to have it in me a lot more

1350
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 3: when I was younger. But I don't hate them as

1351
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 3: much as I used to, you know what I mean.

1352
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 2: So yeah, Well you make a really good point, though,

1353
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 2: This this thing is supposed to be fun, right, And

1354
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 2: that's the lesson I've had to learn the last three

1355
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:15,640
Speaker 2: four or five years. And as I got back to

1356
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 2: the fun of it and just getting back to why

1357
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 2: I got into this thing in the first place. Interestingly enough,

1358
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 2: as my stress levels went down, my success went up.

1359
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yep, they can easily do that. And that's where

1360
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 3: I think a lot. That's what I worry a lot

1361
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 3: about the younger generation now. Is like they're so focused

1362
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 3: on what people like I am doing or other like

1363
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 3: the hunting public or people like that that they really

1364
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 3: look up to. You know, most of the young guys

1365
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 3: don't look up to me, and they're looking up to

1366
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:45,640
Speaker 3: people like that because you know, I'm kind of the

1367
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 3: old school and they're maybe hunting some somewhat differently. But

1368
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 3: you comparing yourself like that and trying to live that

1369
01:15:56,520 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 3: life doesn't help your life. Yeah, you know, and like

1370
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 3: I it's really disheartening at times when I'm at doing

1371
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 3: seminars or I'm at a sporting good show, you know,

1372
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,639
Speaker 3: and some fifteen or you know, fourteen year old kid

1373
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 3: comes up to me and he's been like and I've

1374
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:16,560
Speaker 3: said this on numerous podcasts, and he starts showing me pictures.

1375
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 3: You know, I passed this three and a half year

1376
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 3: old one forty five or one fifty up, you know,

1377
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 3: and I was hunting this deer, but I didn't get him.

1378
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, dude, you know, and I tell him, like, man,

1379
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 3: when I was your age, that one fifteen that you

1380
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 3: passed back a couple of pictures earlier that was with

1381
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 3: that one twenty five would have been dead. Yeah, And

1382
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 3: you would have been just killed some stuff, dude, Yeah,

1383
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 3: kill it, just kill some stuff, have fun, like learn

1384
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 3: to kill like and you know, taste the blood, like

1385
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 3: the success, the fun of it, the you know, the

1386
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:54,599
Speaker 3: big stuff, the mature that'll come later. Like it isn't

1387
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 3: just about killing really big dear, you know. And I

1388
01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 3: mean when I killed my first booner, I had already

1389
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 3: killed probably I don't know, ten or twelve decent bucks

1390
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 3: with my bow. So I was ready to take a step.

1391
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:11,720
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I'm saying, like another step, and

1392
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 3: then that just elevated that step, you know. And so

1393
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 3: I think that's something that you know, people need to

1394
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 3: be aware of too.

1395
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think there's a there a line or it's

1396
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:30,879
Speaker 2: something like this, that comparison is the thief of joy. Yeah,

1397
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 2: and I think there's a lot of truth of that.

1398
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 2: Hunt your own hunt, don't worry about everybody else.

1399
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.

1400
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 2: I've got a final few questions I want to run

1401
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 2: you through, but kind of rapid fire. So we're going

1402
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 2: to hit these quick, quick answers. First thing that comes

1403
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:50,560
Speaker 2: to your mind, what purchase of one hundred dollars or

1404
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 2: less has most positively impacted your hunting success or enjoyment.

1405
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 3: One hundred dollars or less. Yeah, probably trail cameras, like

1406
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 3: regular trail cameras back in the day when you know,

1407
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 3: and there's still some of the days that are under

1408
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 3: hundred bucks, but you know, when they first came out,

1409
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 3: you know, there was some cheaper ones that a working

1410
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 3: class guy could afford. That we're right around hundred bucks,

1411
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:28,799
Speaker 3: and you know, trail camera let's not let's not kid ourselves.

1412
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 3: And I know, for I'm not going to sit here

1413
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:32,759
Speaker 3: and say, oh, I'm the greatest deer hunter in the world,

1414
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 3: but there is no doubt about it that trail cameras

1415
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 3: have changed the game, even for myself, Like I've used

1416
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 3: that information to no end, you know. So I know,

1417
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 3: I know I wouldn't have as many big deer on

1418
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 3: the wall as I do if it wasn't for trail cameras.

1419
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, just they're hard to hard to argue with that.

1420
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:58,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it just is it's the facts, you know,

1421
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 3: even though just even the regular cards and sell cams

1422
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 3: and just taking it to another level. Yeah, you know.

1423
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 2: So the next one here is kind of related. If

1424
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 2: you had to give up all of your high end

1425
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 2: hunting gear. Right, you're really nice bow, you're really nice camo,

1426
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 2: your nice trail cameras, your nice optics, all the good stuff,

1427
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 2: your stands. You had to get rid of all of

1428
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:23,640
Speaker 2: it and replace it with entry level products, Like you

1429
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 2: had to go to Walmart and replace everything with just

1430
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 2: like the budget stuff, except for one category you could

1431
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 2: keep like one high end thing, like your high end

1432
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 2: bow or your high end whatever. What would be the

1433
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 2: one thing that you would spend the extra premium dollars

1434
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 2: to keep that one high end thing? And why.

1435
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 3: I would probably say, Man, that's a tough one, because

1436
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 3: like there's so many different things that you could pick there.

1437
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 3: But I feel like it would be hard to give

1438
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 3: up a trail camera because like I mean, I feel

1439
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 3: like bows in general or whatever. You know, there's you know,

1440
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 3: I used to kill deer with you know, beare white

1441
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 3: tail two hunters when I was a kid, you know,

1442
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 3: with fat giant aluminum arrows, with you know, horrible broadheads.

1443
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 3: But the trail camera for me, I guess is hard

1444
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 3: because it allows me to scout so many different deer

1445
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 3: in so many areas in so many states at once. Yeah,

1446
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 3: that would be very hard for me to give up

1447
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 3: because of the end, because it helps your hunts. It

1448
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 3: helps you not waste time, and I hate wasting time

1449
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 3: to where like when you first get to a place

1450
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 3: years ago, you know you'd have to start scouting, you'd

1451
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 3: watch from afar, and I still do that at times,

1452
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 3: like you know, so giving up a trail camera would

1453
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 3: be tough. And I know some people may say, oh,

1454
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 3: that's a cop out, but it just is. It'd be

1455
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 3: tough because I've gotten so used to being able to

1456
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 3: put information together. Like you still got to know where

1457
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 3: those big deer are. You still have to kill them.

1458
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 3: You still have to. It's not like I watched my

1459
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 3: phone and be like, oh, you just walked past camera

1460
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 3: number two. I'm gonna run a camera number three and

1461
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 3: sit there. You know, I don't do that, Like it's

1462
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 3: I don't use them for that. I love taking information

1463
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 3: that I've learned from a certain deer and how they

1464
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,639
Speaker 3: do things and when they do it, and from weather

1465
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 3: patterns to just I love that. I enjoy that part

1466
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 3: of it. I love watching them come into a food plot.

1467
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,639
Speaker 3: I play in it. I mock scrapes I've made, watching

1468
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 3: them work those scrapes. I love messing with deer that

1469
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 3: are camera shy and hiding cameras from them and getting

1470
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 3: them from a different angle, and they think they got

1471
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 3: away with it and they didn't, you know, and I

1472
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 3: got them so like it's I don't know, I just

1473
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 3: really love trail cameras.

1474
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not alone. You're definitely not alone in that.

1475
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 2: How about this one. If one of your best hunting

1476
01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 2: buddies was sitting here with us today, or or someone

1477
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:02,719
Speaker 2: who's spent a lot of time with you, maybe maybe

1478
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 2: a camera guy, someone who's been with you a lot hunting.

1479
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 2: Who's who's seen you through your ups and Downs's who's

1480
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 2: observed you, who's heard you talk about this stuff a lot.

1481
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 2: If they were here with us and I asked them

1482
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 2: to point to your single greatest strength as a deer hunter,

1483
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 2: what do you think that they would call out? Is

1484
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 2: your greatest strength as a deer hunter?

1485
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 3: Oh? Man, I don't know. One of my best I'm

1486
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 3: at one of my best friend's house. We should call

1487
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 3: him down here and ask him to see it would

1488
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 3: be funny, like.

1489
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 2: Get the honest truth of the matter. Yeah, you're welcome.

1490
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 2: You're welcome to ask him if you want.

1491
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, hold on me. See if I

1492
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 3: get hey, Lamar, this will be an interesting thing because

1493
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 3: like that's a that's a good question. Yeah, because I

1494
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 3: don't know what people think of me.

1495
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well sometimes it's it's sometimes a friend will say

1496
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:56,640
Speaker 2: the thing that deep in your heart you know to

1497
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 2: be true, but maybe you have never really said it

1498
01:22:58,720 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 2: out loud.

1499
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.

1500
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 2: And so so that's kind of an interesting thing.

1501
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I think I kind of have an idea

1502
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 3: that somebody may say, well, Ben is very persistent, you know,

1503
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 3: or just focused yea on a big deer something like that.

1504
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 3: But I'm curious, you know, myself, as to what somebody

1505
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 3: would say. All right, here's Lamar, come on over here, buddy.

1506
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 3: So he asked me this question. I was like, well,

1507
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 3: I don't know. So, like I said, I'm Matten one

1508
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 3: of my friends play, so let's ask him.

1509
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 2: All right, I want to put put you on the

1510
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 2: put you on the spot here, Lamar. So what I

1511
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 2: was asking Ben was if if one of his best

1512
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:43,680
Speaker 2: hunting buddies is here with us today, which now you are.

1513
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 2: My question is what would you say is Ben's greatest

1514
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 2: strength as a deer hunter.

1515
01:23:54,720 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 3: I mean, like from my perspective like Ben.

1516
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 5: Ben almost has like this, this thing is a deer hunter.

1517
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 5: Like Ben finds a deer, Ben will like high percentage,

1518
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 5: she'll kill that deer. He's just has this instinct about

1519
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 5: deer and what they're doing that Ben if Ben finds him.

1520
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 3: Ben's hardest part is finding a deer he wants to kill.

1521
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:27,600
Speaker 5: Like he's like like this scavenger that's looking for the

1522
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 5: deer he wants to kill. So I go out there

1523
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 5: and it's like, yeah, that thing's five and a half,

1524
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 5: I'm gonna shoot him.

1525
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 3: And Ben's still looking for one.

1526
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 5: But when bun Ben finds one, it's like, I mean,

1527
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:40,719
Speaker 5: the the the odds are.

1528
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,559
Speaker 3: Against that deer. Like I've seen him do it.

1529
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 5: I haven't known Ben for terrible many years, but I've

1530
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 5: seen him do it with deer that that I knew

1531
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 5: he wanted to kill. And usually it's not very long.

1532
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 5: I get the picture. Once he's on that deer, he'll

1533
01:24:57,080 --> 01:25:00,719
Speaker 5: tell you I'm on that deer, and so usually doesn't

1534
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:03,719
Speaker 5: take very long. So he's got an uncanny just a

1535
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 5: sixth sense about you know what deer are doing.

1536
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 3: And it's it's a gift.

1537
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 5: Really, I don't know you I don't know that you

1538
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,439
Speaker 5: can totally teach what Ben's got in that sense.

1539
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 2: So it's that it's that sixth sense, it's that deep,

1540
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 2: deep understanding of deer, and that then becomes like instinct.

1541
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 2: Probably now I gotta ask you, and Ben maybe didn't

1542
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 2: know this was coming, But uh, what's the other side

1543
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 2: of it? So, what's Ben's greatest weakness as a deer

1544
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:37,720
Speaker 2: hunter or his greatest area for improvement? You're on the

1545
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 2: outside looking in. It's a lot easier to identify those

1546
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 2: weak spots from the outside. What do you think? What

1547
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 2: do you think that might be?

1548
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 3: Probably his biggest one of them. This may not even

1549
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 3: be related to killing deer, but what one of his

1550
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,680
Speaker 3: biggest weaknesses is taking his cameraman with him in the

1551
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 3: tree us I'm a lone ranger, so he calls me Tonto. Yeah, no,

1552
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 3: I I I don't. I don't really know. I don't

1553
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 3: really know exactly how to answer that.

1554
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 5: I mean that are you specifically rated, like talking about

1555
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:26,679
Speaker 5: specifically killing deer or just like as a deer hunter

1556
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:27,719
Speaker 5: land manager?

1557
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 2: Could be it could be really any one of those things.

1558
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll tell you. One thing I'm really bad

1559
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 3: about is when it's that time of year. I don't

1560
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 3: want to talk to anybody. M Yeah, I'm not a.

1561
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 4: Very social Yeah he the social part, he's kind of

1562
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:52,840
Speaker 4: like a buck, you know after they get done bachelor

1563
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 4: and up or whatever in a certain time, Like he

1564
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 4: just not just not hanging out.

1565
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 3: When I shed my velvet, I'm disappearing.

1566
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 2: I get that.

1567
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, like it's it's weird, Like I so,

1568
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:07,599
Speaker 3: I will say this since because like me and Lamar

1569
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 3: have some ground in the same area, and you know,

1570
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 3: we get to spend time together in the evenings, you know,

1571
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 3: staying in the cabin together and stuff. At times, I

1572
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 3: do enjoy that more. But like I don't go out

1573
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 3: to eat very seldom, Like in the evenings, I don't

1574
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 3: like I am, so I'm focused to a point of

1575
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 3: almost like to a fault. Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah,

1576
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:34,719
Speaker 3: I would.

1577
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 5: I would probably say that that could actually be something

1578
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 5: like I think that like for me, I enjoy I

1579
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 5: enjoy camp. I like the camaraderie, I like the experience

1580
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 5: and and like, uh, I don't know if you can

1581
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 5: get Ben to dial back and start enjoying those things

1582
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:52,720
Speaker 5: more or not, But that would probably be in one

1583
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 5: area that I think Ben could probably you know, I could.

1584
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 3: Use some Yeah, it's hard for me because, like I

1585
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 3: look at it, I've always looked at it like this,

1586
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 3: because even from a young age, traveling and hunting, you know,

1587
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 3: I was taking time for my wife, taking time for

1588
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 3: my kids to go do what I wanted to do.

1589
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 3: The filming only came into play because I looked at

1590
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 3: it as a way that I didn't have to spend

1591
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:24,880
Speaker 3: that money to buy a bow or clothes or things.

1592
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 3: Back when I started with the juries, and they paid

1593
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 3: us a little bit of money, and so that was

1594
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 3: a win for me, like I didn't have to take

1595
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 3: for my family, and so to me it was a

1596
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:37,880
Speaker 3: job like because for one, you know, Mark and Terry

1597
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:40,800
Speaker 3: were counting on me to kill some deer and on film,

1598
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 3: and I took that serious. And so I think where

1599
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:47,120
Speaker 3: I've struggled is whenever I'm out of state, and especially

1600
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:48,640
Speaker 3: now that I have my own show and I have

1601
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 3: sponsors and a reputation, it's like I'm so focused on

1602
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 3: trying to be successful that sometimes I can make it

1603
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 3: not fun for myself. Like I was saying, that's where

1604
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:00,640
Speaker 3: I said, I have the experience like let's keep the

1605
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 3: fun in it. And sometimes I can take the fun

1606
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 3: out of it, you know, but at the time I'm

1607
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 3: really having fun. I think, you know, I'm just missing

1608
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:11,640
Speaker 3: out on some of the things that of visiting. And

1609
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 3: but I have gotten better. But definitely that could be something.

1610
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Lamar, you sound like some of my hunting buddies.

1611
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:24,559
Speaker 2: I've heard the same feedback and uh and yeah, I'll

1612
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:26,639
Speaker 2: let you. I'll let you get back to your life, lamar.

1613
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing that. Yeah for sure, good bet,

1614
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah you too. I got I got three fast questions.

1615
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:36,640
Speaker 2: We'll do it in three minutes, all right. So what

1616
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:40,679
Speaker 2: is one common mindset or trait that all the best

1617
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:42,640
Speaker 2: deer hunters you know haven't.

1618
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 3: Come they practice practice?

1619
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 2: What is what is one commonly held belief within the

1620
01:29:51,840 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 2: deer hunting world that you think is actually hogwash.

1621
01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:02,759
Speaker 3: That deer workscrapes down wind, that they sent check scrapes

1622
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 3: down wind.

1623
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 2: You don't think they do that.

1624
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:10,639
Speaker 3: No, I've never seen a big buck. I've never seen

1625
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 3: a big buck that I was after not go to

1626
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 3: the scrape that I wanted them to. I've seen a

1627
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:21,760
Speaker 3: lot of articles where guys talk about deer traveling down

1628
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 3: wind of scrapes to smell. They want to work that

1629
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 3: scrape they do.

1630
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:33,720
Speaker 2: Interesting, all right, this is it last one. If you

1631
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 2: were forced to distill the very most important idea about

1632
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 2: deer hunting, the best piece of advice you can give

1633
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:47,040
Speaker 2: about deer hunting for folks, if you get to distill

1634
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:49,639
Speaker 2: it down to like one phrase that you could put

1635
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 2: up like on a giant billboard in the side of

1636
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:53,599
Speaker 2: the highway, like on the way to bass pro shops

1637
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 2: or something where every deer hunter is going to drive

1638
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 2: by it on their way there, and there's gonna be

1639
01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:58,639
Speaker 2: a big old billboard in the side of the road,

1640
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,560
Speaker 2: and you can put one idea on that billboard that

1641
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 2: you would want these folks to be able to read.

1642
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:08,120
Speaker 2: You're like your final parting words of most important deer

1643
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 2: hunting advice. What would that be?

1644
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 3: Well, when it comes to the actual part of deer hunting,

1645
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 3: like tactical, it truly is the hunt smarter, not harder.

1646
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 3: It truly is. It's using that because you can sometimes

1647
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 3: just do too much, you know, and you're pushing those

1648
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:35,719
Speaker 3: deer off. Pressure is key no matter where you're hunting.

1649
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 3: I don't care what kind of farm you're on. From

1650
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:42,759
Speaker 3: public land to the most managed private land. Whatever hunting

1651
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:48,160
Speaker 3: smarter and not harder is? You know, I think really

1652
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 3: the key I can't.

1653
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:51,680
Speaker 2: Argue with you on that.

1654
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:54,760
Speaker 3: I was put a billboard up on the side of

1655
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 3: the highway. I would say big deer, awesome, But Jesus

1656
01:31:58,560 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 3: is king.

1657
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 2: There you go. I like that. Circle back to circle,

1658
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 2: back to the important stuff. So thank you, Ben. What's

1659
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:10,519
Speaker 2: the what's the where do you want to send folks

1660
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 2: For folks who listen to this, where can they see

1661
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 2: your content? Where can they watch the videos the show?

1662
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 2: You know, connect with you? Whatever it is? What if

1663
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 2: folks need to know?

1664
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:22,800
Speaker 3: Well, whitetail edge dot com is my website, white tail

1665
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:26,720
Speaker 3: edgetv is my channel on YouTube. We airon Macio Go

1666
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 3: channel carbon TV. You know, we have Instagram, Facebook. A

1667
01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 3: lot of my tidbit information is on our social channels,

1668
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:43,599
Speaker 3: you know, like weekly stuff that we're doing and talking

1669
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:48,599
Speaker 3: about little bits of information. My YouTube channel is decent,

1670
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 3: but it's we typically don't upload our hunts until like

1671
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 3: the following July from the past season. You know, then

1672
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:58,720
Speaker 3: are edited and put up right about velvet time. But

1673
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:01,560
Speaker 3: you know, so a lot of my info day to

1674
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 3: day grinding info is on our social channels. You know.

1675
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 3: I know if I was to push my YouTube channel

1676
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:09,679
Speaker 3: more and put more content on it, it would grow more.

1677
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:13,040
Speaker 3: But I really didn't start my YouTube channel for money,

1678
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:15,519
Speaker 3: you know, to where some people really focus on that

1679
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:18,880
Speaker 3: for the income. You know, that's that's really not what

1680
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 3: I did it for. But it would be nice to

1681
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 3: see that channel grow more. But you know, but if

1682
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 3: people do subscribe to it, whenever we do upload stuff,

1683
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 3: they get a notice.

1684
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 2: Awesome, all right, Well, from everything I've seen over the years,

1685
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 2: it is definitely worth doing. You've got some great stuff

1686
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 2: out there, great hunts, a lot to learn, and man,

1687
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:41,680
Speaker 2: I just I appreciate it. I appreciate you taking the

1688
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 2: time to do this and sharing so much knowledge across

1689
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 2: your platforms. A lot of people have learned from you,

1690
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 2: So thank you.

1691
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I appreciate it, and I feel like I've

1692
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 3: been truly blessed, you know. I mean, it's I got.

1693
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:53,280
Speaker 4: A very.

1694
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:56,960
Speaker 3: Very fortunate the deer that I've been able to hunt

1695
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:59,120
Speaker 3: and harvest over the years. And you know, I truly

1696
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:01,720
Speaker 3: appreciate you having me on the podcast. I love this podcast,

1697
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 3: and truly it's been a joy to watch you grow

1698
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 3: in the industry and how big you've become. I mean, look,

1699
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 3: I mean, jeez, Mark, look at you. I mean you're

1700
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 3: with the meat eaters like that was whoever thought that

1701
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:17,080
Speaker 3: was you were going to do that? You know what

1702
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 3: I mean?

1703
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 2: Like, how cool, very very fortunate, very blessed. Like you said,

1704
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 2: I'm thankful for it, and just don't keep keep trying

1705
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:27,519
Speaker 2: to do good stuff with it, right, yeah, help other folks.

1706
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 2: So all right, well, I'll let you and Lamar get

1707
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:33,600
Speaker 2: back to your plans and uh, let's check back in

1708
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:34,000
Speaker 2: again this.

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01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:39,439
Speaker 3: Okay, thanks brother, all right, that's a wrap.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for tuning in. Hope you enjoyed this one. If

1711
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 2: you didn't hear our last episode with John Eberhart that's

1712
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 2: kicked off this series, please go back and do so,

1713
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Speaker 2: and then be sure to tune in. We've got more

1714
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:53,680
Speaker 2: of these coming down the line. I'll give you a

1715
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:57,920
Speaker 2: little heads up, a little preview. Next week, I believe

1716
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:02,040
Speaker 2: we will be joined by mister Andre Twisto, So buckle up.

1717
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a good one. We're gonna get another

1718
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 2: really interesting look into the mind of one of the

1719
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:10,320
Speaker 2: best white tail hunters out there, and I think you'll

1720
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:12,800
Speaker 2: enjoy it, so thanks for being here. I appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Until next time, stay wired to Hunt.