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Speaker 1: doing great?

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Speaker 3: I got a we got a Thursday night or tonight,

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Speaker 3: It's some things I wanted to get to you on,

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Speaker 3: And why is this working now when when maybe you know,

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Speaker 1: And DJ, I mean the Chargers had a chance to

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Speaker 3: And I'm not sure a lot of fans really understand that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Now it's like, oh, you get a little you'll get

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And when I first got there in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 4: You know it might so so playing over that. So

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Speaker 1: I think, and again, Buck, a great conversation. We could

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Speaker 1: love with guys they trust, right, And I felt like,

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Speaker 3: be right back, all right, Mike. You've mentioned his name

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Speaker 4: interesting kind of crossroads when it comes to coaches and

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Speaker 1: Buck. In all honesty, most of the coaches I talk to,

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Speaker 1: Much potential for movement. And the group I work with,

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Speaker 1: he's going to be probably a second day pick maybe.

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Speaker 1: But to your point, DJ, we're scouting him now the

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Speaker 1: big ten. We're not scaling them at g JMU. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it combines a lot of stuff and makes

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Speaker 1: it a little bit easier for the scouts. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: disagree with that at all. I think you're right, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, Mike, and I know how funny this can be

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Speaker 4: because we always love on TV to talk about quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: So I can't let you go without being in general

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Speaker 4: talking about the college quarterback class, because the conversation heading

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Speaker 4: into the season is much different than the conversation that

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Speaker 4: people are having.

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Speaker 1: Now you're gonna make me go get my other noteble.

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Speaker 4: So I'm trying to take this because you said in

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Speaker 4: the general manager, See when you hear the conversation before

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Speaker 4: the season and then you pop on the tape and

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Speaker 4: the guys that everyone are talking about certainly do not

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Speaker 4: meet up to the expectations that you would have when

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Speaker 4: it comes to a franchise quarterback and you're a team

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Speaker 4: that is in desperate need for a draft, how do

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Speaker 4: you resist the temptation to the world all says we

456
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Speaker 4: need to go take one of these quarterbacks, so we

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Speaker 4: go take him in the first round, when in your gut,

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Speaker 4: you know, hey man, there may be only one or

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Speaker 4: two of these guys that are really first round worthy quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a good conversation. Also, because we do

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Speaker 1: we push these kids up way too high, commencemate, with

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Speaker 1: their value way too high. And I think that's why

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Speaker 1: we've had so many busts over the years, and that's

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Speaker 1: why some of them come back later and say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was pretty good, just wasn't the right system.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, what.

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Speaker 1: Part of this I could go on for an hour.

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Speaker 1: What part of this do you want me to hit

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Speaker 1: on them? Buck?

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Speaker 4: Okay, So let's just pretend that the Jets, the New

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Speaker 4: York Jets, get the number one overall pick. Yeah, And

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Speaker 4: I don't know without finishing all the reports if there's

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Speaker 4: a quarterback that is worth being the number one overall

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Speaker 4: pick and next year's draft. So how do you if

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Speaker 4: you're airing Glynn and you're tasked with finding a franchise quarterback,

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Speaker 4: look at that draft class, knowing your harder parts, there's good,

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Speaker 4: but there may not be special. Do I go and

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Speaker 4: take one of those guys because the world says we

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Speaker 4: have to? Or do I find one of these reclamation

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Speaker 4: projects and think that I can continue to get the

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Speaker 4: reclamation project to play at the level that he's playing

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Speaker 4: at Somewhere else You're.

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Speaker 1: Gonna see guys doing both. To be really honest with you,

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I look at

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Speaker 1: the quarterback list like from last year, and everyone's talking

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Speaker 1: about what a great quarterback class. This was gonna be

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Speaker 1: And now I have no idea, you know, or you

488
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Speaker 1: know Archie. Archie needs to go back and get get

489
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Speaker 1: a thousand reps and he might be the guy there,

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Speaker 1: but that you know, Carson back three years ago is

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Speaker 1: the guy. Now, I have no idea what he may

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Speaker 1: or may not be. I watched Mendoza for two games.

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Speaker 1: He's pretty good player, like out of no worries, but

494
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Speaker 1: not a whole lot of mobility. You're anything. But I

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Speaker 1: think what's really critical, and I think this is the

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Speaker 1: main point here, Buck, is that, like I really liked

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Speaker 1: what say Sean Payton did with bow Nix, this is

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Speaker 1: my guy. I don't care if I get him at

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Speaker 1: twelve or forty two or three. This is my guy

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Speaker 1: because he'll work befits my style and I can bring

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Speaker 1: him along the way I want to bring him along.

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Speaker 1: Give the Giants some credit, go back and get Jackson

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Speaker 1: Dark in the first round. You know that's their guy.

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Speaker 1: But all these guys that go so high and you're

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Speaker 1: giving up all these draft picks, and you mentioned the

506
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Speaker 1: Jets and what they gave up for the kid from

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Speaker 1: what's his name, Wilson, Zach Wilson. I mean, they gave

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Speaker 1: up a boat load for him, and the kid has

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Speaker 1: done nothing. And at the end of the day, Buck

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Speaker 1: and you guys have heard me say this. If you

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Speaker 1: don't have a franchise quarterback, you're just another day closer

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Speaker 1: to getting fired. So head coaches and gms close the

513
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Speaker 1: door and they go, well, our guy sucks, maybe this

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Speaker 1: guy will be better.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: Right, And that's probably not the right conversation to take

517
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Speaker 1: a guy at three or eight or two or one.

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Speaker 1: But there's a lot of job pressure on these guys,

519
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Speaker 1: bottom line, and you better be you better be selective

520
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Speaker 1: about who's going to fit into your building and why.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you better have conviction at the end

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Speaker 3: of the day if you if you're kind of like

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Speaker 3: I think, I hope you're probably making as not. But

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Speaker 3: I think it's going to be fascinating to see who

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Speaker 3: this next wave of reclamation projects are. We've talked about

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Speaker 3: it on here before, Mike, but you know, Mac Jones

527
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Speaker 3: has kind of shown that he's gonna he's gonna be

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Speaker 3: somewhere next year with they paid rock Perty, so Mac

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Speaker 3: Jones is not going to be their guy. So they're

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Speaker 3: going to have an asset they can flip. You're going

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Speaker 3: to see Trey Lance, who's spending this time with Jim Harbaugh,

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Speaker 3: with the hope another high pick who's got a chance to,

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Speaker 3: you know, reclaim some confidence that maybe he ends up

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Speaker 3: going somewhere. But that would be my thing if you're

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Speaker 3: a team picking up there in the top five. I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: as great as Jackson Dart was or has played, and

537
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Speaker 3: he's been more than advertising, they took Abdill Carter when

538
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Speaker 3: they had a major need at quarterback and then they

539
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Speaker 3: found the right value to take their shot on Dart.

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Speaker 3: So to me, I think that's a great example of,

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Speaker 3: you know, make sure you got full conviction here.

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Speaker 1: One million percent Djay. And it's funny you guys brought

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Speaker 1: up Jared Vers a minute ago, and I'm laughing because

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Speaker 1: this morning I'm watching college edge guys and I don't

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Speaker 1: know about you guys, but I think this is the

546
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Speaker 1: year of like the big powerful edge guy.

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Speaker 2: Yea, you know there's not one of them, the kid

548
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Speaker 2: at Miami.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, there's there's the kid at Miami. Did you

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Speaker 1: do the Alabama kid twenty two? Not yet?

551
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Speaker 2: Not yet?

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Speaker 1: Oh he's he's there's a bunch of guys that play

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Speaker 1: from the nine all the way in the notes, and

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Speaker 1: there's a bunch of two hundred and seventy two hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty pound edge guys that can kick the three

556
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Speaker 1: technique and sub. There's like five of them. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: I know you don't want to talk about that, and

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Speaker 1: that's not sexy.

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Speaker 2: No, we're getting there.

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Speaker 3: We're getting there. We're getting there, Mike. Trust me, you've

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Speaker 3: been You've been awesome as always. Man, I'm looking forward

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Speaker 3: to a fun weekend of football. We got to do

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Speaker 3: this again. We'll do this next month, and then at

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Speaker 3: that point in time, I'll have seen all the heavy

565
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Speaker 3: edge rushers and we can talk whether we should play

566
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Speaker 3: him at a five or whether we should kick him inside.

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Speaker 2: It'll be the podcast, that'll be the entire podcast. You're

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Speaker 2: the best buddy fellas. All right, there you go, Buck,

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Speaker 2: Mike Mayock.

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Speaker 3: Always always great to have him on and uh and

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Speaker 3: chat it up a little bit. We've got another episode

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Speaker 3: coming your way tomorrow. Be on the lookout for that

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Speaker 3: and we'll keep all your football needs taking care of

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Speaker 3: right here on with the sticks