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Speaker 2: This is your producer Buddy Piece, checking in on behalf
Speaker 2: of your regular host, Brett Goldstein, just to keep you
Speaker 2: posted on what's happening with this episode and perhaps a
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Speaker 2: due to the ongoing SAG after a strike, we are
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Speaker 2: or otherwise. The Rewind Classics are essentially re released episodes,
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Speaker 2: them a bit of a polish and a little trim
Speaker 2: here and there where necessary. So they are a great
Speaker 2: chance to catch up on some past shows from our
Speaker 2: archives with guests you either know and I missed, or
Speaker 2: perhaps some you have yet to become acquainted with and
Speaker 2: would enjoy This week. In an episode originally aired I
Speaker 2: believe on Boxing Day twenty nineteen, Brett is joined by
Speaker 2: the long term show friend nish Kumar. Nish is a
Speaker 2: celebrated comic, host, commentator, podcaster, and so much more. And
Speaker 2: as you will see from his many awesome appearances on
Speaker 2: films to be Buried With is always welcome in our house,
Speaker 2: so you know you'll enjoy this lip Back in Time
Speaker 2: a wonderful live episode. It was recorded in person in
Speaker 2: front of a great crowd at London's BFI, and I
Speaker 2: was in attendance up in the projection booth actually doing
Speaker 2: some projecting. I was in charge of displaying the appropriate
Speaker 2: images for each film, which okay, wasn't actual projecting, but
Speaker 2: I did feel pretty important for about an hour or two. Anyway,
Speaker 2: it was a lovely show and it did conclude in
Speaker 2: some delightful sing along action, but that will be cut
Speaker 2: short in accordance with Brett's original request, as his mike
Speaker 2: was the only one picking up at that point, so
Speaker 2: you basically have something verging on a cappella karaoke, which
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Speaker 2: Kumar's special Your Power, Your Control. There'll be a link
Speaker 2: on the description for this episode and also the podcast
Speaker 2: pod Save the UK, a regular podcast which he co
Speaker 2: hosts with Coco Khan, and again the link for that
Speaker 2: will be in the episode description. So enjoy episode two
Speaker 2: seven to three, which was originally episode seventy six, a
Speaker 2: live Rewine Classic edition with the fabulous frequent visitor and
Speaker 2: show homie nish Kumar.
Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Films to be Buried with. My
Speaker 1: name is Brett Goldstein. I am a comedian, an actor,
Speaker 1: a writer, a director, a chestnut roasting on an open fire,
Speaker 1: and I love films. As John F. Kennedy once said,
Speaker 1: if not us, who, if not now, when? And if
Speaker 1: not The Godfather, then what is the greatest film of
Speaker 1: all time? Objectively? Man? Even jfk thinks it's The Godfather.
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. You're all against me. Every week
Speaker 1: I invite a special guest over, I tell them they've died,
Speaker 1: then I get them to discuss their life through the
Speaker 1: films that meant the most of them. Previous guests include
Speaker 1: Ricky Gervais, January Jones, Kevin Smith, and even Ed Gamble.
Speaker 1: It's amazing how did I game the odds? It makes
Speaker 1: me feel like I must be a big deal. This
Speaker 1: episode comes live from the BFI with this audience. Whoo,
Speaker 1: but it's not a normal at this time, Me and
Speaker 1: my guest will both be sharing answers to our films
Speaker 1: of the decade. Then the audience will share some of
Speaker 1: their Then we will do a sing along to a
Speaker 1: song from the actual greatest film of all time. Mappy
Speaker 1: Christmas Carol. You fucking right. So tonight my special guest.
Speaker 1: He's been on the show before. He has died twice
Speaker 1: in my arms. But tonight, as a Christmas miracle, I'm
Speaker 1: bringing him back to life. He is reborn. He's a comedian,
Speaker 1: a writer, a mass reporter, Piers Morgan's secret crush. Please
Speaker 1: welcome to the stage, mister Nish Cuba. Hello, he lives.
Speaker 3: I've bought my own clipboard for people listening at home. Brett,
Speaker 3: how's a clipboard, and he's the host, so that's normal.
Speaker 3: A bit weird that the guest has brought a clipboard,
Speaker 3: even weirder that I brought it from home just to
Speaker 3: look really official.
Speaker 1: You had clipboard envy. Now, Nis, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for being here. What a treat before start right? You
Speaker 1: might not know when when I record these, I usually
Speaker 1: record them privately in my house or whatever, and I
Speaker 1: will say to the guest, you know, I don't want
Speaker 1: to make you look like a prick, like if you
Speaker 1: say something you regret, we'll just say we'll cut it.
Speaker 1: And if I asked you anything to you personally, just
Speaker 1: say can we cut it? And we'll cut it.
Speaker 3: But or as sometimes happens, we do the podcast, I
Speaker 3: think it's absolutely fine, and then you and I spend
Speaker 3: two and a half years getting weird tweets from people
Speaker 3: going would the allan technically wasn't her step father?
Speaker 1: That is true? That is true, And.
Speaker 3: You have to think to yourself, if you're reaching for
Speaker 3: the line he technically wasn't her stepfather, you've already lost
Speaker 3: the argument.
Speaker 1: So because we have witnesses tonight, I guess we need
Speaker 1: a safe word. So if I say anything that makes
Speaker 1: you uncomfortable, just say bread rolls, thank you. So it's
Speaker 1: a big one tonight and it exciting you and me.
Speaker 1: Films of the Decade. Now the rule This is part three,
Speaker 1: isn't it. This is part three? You've come back to life.
Speaker 1: Last year we did Films of the Year, but this
Speaker 1: year we're doing films of a decade. Now, some of
Speaker 1: you may know, I'm very strict on this. I mean,
Speaker 1: technically this is bullshit because the decade has not finished
Speaker 1: and none of us have seen cats yet.
Speaker 3: So has anyone seen cats? So whatever we say this, Sorry,
Speaker 3: there's one person who has seen cats and she currently
Speaker 3: has her head in her hands, so I mean.
Speaker 1: She has been that way since she saw it.
Speaker 3: She's now doing a motion where she's sort of cutting
Speaker 3: her own throat, which I mean is one of the
Speaker 3: worst reviews of anything.
Speaker 1: So this is Films of the Decade up to December nineteenth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we haven't seen little women.
Speaker 1: No, little women, we haven't seen we haven't seen cats.
Speaker 1: So oh shit, Oh.
Speaker 4: This what is it? Bra Brett? Whatever this news is,
Speaker 4: it's really taking its toll on you.
Speaker 1: I've forgotten to tell you something. It's mental. I didn't
Speaker 1: tell you this, Given everything we've been through, you to
Speaker 1: life everything, I just say it, you've died again again. Listen.
Speaker 3: The thing is, I know that it seems weird that
Speaker 3: I keep coming back to life, but ultimately I was
Speaker 3: raised a Hindu and this.
Speaker 1: Is just you are the only guests I could do this.
Speaker 3: Wee yeah, this is just reincarnation. We have like five
Speaker 3: hundred gods, some of them are blue. It's like X men,
Speaker 3: and you can keep coming back.
Speaker 4: To life the absolute dream.
Speaker 1: How did you die this week?
Speaker 4: This time?
Speaker 3: I think I think last time I died it was
Speaker 3: because I said I was I got run over because
Speaker 3: I was listening to a podcast, most likely myself on
Speaker 3: this podcast. I think I think this time, somebody chucks
Speaker 3: a bread roll at me, but aims it a bit
Speaker 3: more accurately than the without wishing to editorialize, fucking idiot
Speaker 3: through at me last time, who managed to miss me
Speaker 3: from very close range. Yeah, this time somebody throws a
Speaker 3: bread roll at me, but it gets me in the
Speaker 3: eye and I trip backwards and fall off the stage.
Speaker 4: And break my neck.
Speaker 3: And the problem is there is a sort of palpable
Speaker 3: air of tragedy about it. Because I'm a life that's
Speaker 3: been claimed really by the culture war, but also it's
Speaker 3: very funny.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so everyone it's one of those feudals where
Speaker 4: everyone kind of has to.
Speaker 3: Be like, ah, it's tragic, but at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, he got hit by bread and tripped to death.
Speaker 1: It is tragic, but let's watch it again.
Speaker 4: I can't believe my death went viral.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so shall we start?
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, so expert hosting.
Speaker 3: This is the sort of authority that can only come
Speaker 3: with a clipboard.
Speaker 1: We've had a clipboard. I'm nothing this humor. Brett Goldstein,
Speaker 1: What is the first film you saw? January first, twenty ten.
Speaker 3: The thing is, There've definitely been years this decade where
Speaker 3: I've either seen something that came out, I've seen something
Speaker 3: on New Year's Day or the second of January, or
Speaker 3: I've seen something that's released on the second of January,
Speaker 3: but I've gone if I'm like, if you're in London
Speaker 3: over Christmas, there's very often like previews because they're just like, well,
Speaker 3: I'll put anything on. There's literally no one here, so
Speaker 3: I am legend. But in twenty ten, I was really
Speaker 3: trying to work out, based on the release dates, what
Speaker 3: it might have been my guess, or certainly the film
Speaker 3: that I saw that was really East in January twenty
Speaker 3: ten that certainly left a mark on me was a prophet.
Speaker 1: I think that's my answer. I think we went together.
Speaker 3: Great poster, really not great for the post listeners, but
Speaker 3: good film. It's quite an extraordinary movie, and it's sort
Speaker 3: of about a French kid who has had a series
Speaker 3: of offenses as a young person, and now he's turned
Speaker 3: eighteen and he's committed another crime and so he can
Speaker 3: be properly tried and put in jail and he ends
Speaker 3: up going to jail and listen as a subgenre of movie,
Speaker 3: I absolutely love a long film that documents the rise
Speaker 3: of someone through a criminal organization.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yes, please, the longer the better.
Speaker 3: The Irishman I was erect for the last half of
Speaker 3: that film.
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3: The Irishman is basically like and it's weird that they
Speaker 3: see gied him to look like a baby at the beginning.
Speaker 3: That's a deleted scene that somebody might not have seen.
Speaker 3: But it's a subj hoor of film. I really really
Speaker 3: love and the movie is great. It's a really really
Speaker 3: good film.
Speaker 1: It's got really a disturbing scene rest to put a
Speaker 1: razor in his mouth.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's one of the most horrible scenes and like,
Speaker 3: and he has to set up to basically suck a
Speaker 3: dude off and then ends up stabbing him in the
Speaker 3: throat and then he keeps on being I don't want
Speaker 3: to give too much away because they didn't seem to
Speaker 3: be the universal uptake for who has not seen a Prophet.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, Oh I thought that was a much more.
Speaker 3: It's worry guys, we'll get to the events Jesus Scorsese
Speaker 3: would be turning in Jimmy Hoffer's grave.
Speaker 1: I know what you're thinking, BFI, that'll be But no,
Speaker 1: not at all.
Speaker 3: It's a really exceptional film by Jack Odyard, who's also
Speaker 3: a French director who let me tell you, where's some
Speaker 3: superb hat and it's He made a really really great
Speaker 3: movie called The Beat that My Heart Skipped, which I
Speaker 3: think it was before a Prophet. Then he made a
Speaker 3: film called Rust and Bone, which if you go with
Speaker 3: Rust and Bone, if you are prepared to accept that
Speaker 3: the crux of this movie is a woman's legs get
Speaker 3: eaten by a whale, if you are prepared to accept
Speaker 3: that It is a very stark and brilliant and really
Speaker 3: quite emotionally wrought film. Yeah, it's really honestly listen by
Speaker 3: the sounds of things. We've got some non believers in
Speaker 3: the room.
Speaker 1: And it plays a very subtle love scene to Fireworks
Speaker 1: by Katie Perry. Yah, that's right, Yeah it does.
Speaker 4: I know it sounds like Brett.
Speaker 3: I know it sounds like Brett and I have made
Speaker 3: up a film hastily on the spot.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It is a really and he has to sort of
Speaker 3: navigate the kind of racial dynamics of the prison, and
Speaker 3: there's the French gangsters and the Corsican gangsters, and the
Speaker 3: movie happens across a couple of different languages. And it's
Speaker 3: an extraordinary film about how someone can go into jail
Speaker 3: being quite a bad person but absolutely redeemable and come
Speaker 3: out of it a proper villain. And it's a really
Speaker 3: interesting character study of how the sort of corruption of
Speaker 3: an innocent.
Speaker 1: It's also my answer for sexiest film.
Speaker 4: Did you like it?
Speaker 1: I love it. I think it's fucking brilliant and it's
Speaker 1: so tense. I love a film that's really tense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but long, how can I be this tense for so
Speaker 1: long and at the end you're like, I can't stand up.
Speaker 1: I've been so tense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the thing is it does wratchet up, I think,
Speaker 3: and also because it's a well made, well acted film,
Speaker 3: regardless of how bad this guy's behavior starts to turn
Speaker 3: as he kind of rises through the ranks of the
Speaker 3: prison criminal organization, you identify with him more and more
Speaker 3: because you saw him when he was a child. There's
Speaker 3: a really interesting exercise in building empathy with criminals because
Speaker 3: you see him when he's essentially a child, and so
Speaker 3: you have this fondness for him, and so there's this
Speaker 3: escalating tension and the final the sort of shootout element
Speaker 3: of it is absolutely incredible.
Speaker 4: It's really great.
Speaker 1: Sort of spoiled the end, but it's really good. It's
Speaker 1: like The Wire but slightly quicker.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yea, yeah, that's a perfect The Wire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nis Kuma, what was the scariest film you saw
Speaker 1: this decade?
Speaker 3: So when I did this podcast, the normal episode of it, yeah,
Speaker 3: I gave I think a very sort of wry answer,
Speaker 3: but I do think there is a grain of truth
Speaker 3: in it. And the first one I said was inside
Speaker 3: Lewy and Davis, and the reason I said it was
Speaker 3: the scariest film is because if you're in, if you're
Speaker 3: in any way a performer, and you watch Inside Lewin Davis,
Speaker 3: you are essentially watching your parents' worst case scenario of
Speaker 3: how your life could have turned out.
Speaker 4: And also I bear a passing resemblance.
Speaker 3: And I do mean passing, really, I do mean passing
Speaker 3: on the Millennium falcon at light speed to Isaac, like
Speaker 3: I do look a bit like and I don't wish
Speaker 3: to toot my own horn here, but a fire damaged
Speaker 3: Oscar isaon like a dentid Isaac. That's sort of my vibe.
Speaker 3: And so and also I love the music of Bob Dylan,
Speaker 3: and it's one of my favorite films of all time.
Speaker 3: And I did say that that was the thing that
Speaker 3: But you know, I don't want to be too cute
Speaker 3: with some of these answers.
Speaker 4: This is really the first not being so cute. I
Speaker 4: can't help it, guys, I'm light speed Isaac.
Speaker 3: But this is the first decade I've really properly got
Speaker 3: into watching horror films, you know me. You know, I
Speaker 3: didn't really used to like them because I get too scared.
Speaker 3: Easily scared, Yeah, very easily scared. But this is the
Speaker 3: first decade I've probably started watching horror horror movies, and
Speaker 3: I've enjoyed, like some of the trashier Bloomhouse offerings. I've
Speaker 3: had a great time watching Happy Death Day to You,
Speaker 3: which is one of the most willfully stupid films, and
Speaker 3: I do truly mean that as a compliment. It is
Speaker 3: at absolutely if you haven't seen Happy Death Day or
Speaker 3: Happy Death Day to You. I don't want to use
Speaker 3: the phrase three colors, but if they do hit a
Speaker 3: third one, we are talking about one of the great
Speaker 3: movie trilogies of all type. I don't even know what
Speaker 3: like Happy Death Day three me like, I don't know
Speaker 3: what sort of pun they could incorporate into it. But
Speaker 3: this is the first sort of decade I've properly, really
Speaker 3: like got into watching horror films, and I've really enjoyed
Speaker 3: the kind of fun goofy ones. The two that have
Speaker 3: properly terrified me beyond belief are the two Ariasta movies,
Speaker 3: So Hereditary and Midsummer or Midsummer to give it it's
Speaker 3: phonetically correct title. Now, I'll be honest with you. Here's
Speaker 3: the thing about Midsummer. I am scared of large groups
Speaker 3: of white people.
Speaker 4: Full stop.
Speaker 3: If the last ten years, or indeed the entire span
Speaker 3: of human history has taught us nothing, it's that when
Speaker 3: large groups of white people get together and it's only
Speaker 3: white people and they all wear robes, nothing good happens.
Speaker 1: I think they were fine people on both sides. Come
Speaker 1: on this.
Speaker 4: I love Donald Trump's review of Midsummer. Guys.
Speaker 3: They built that big yellow pyramid, didn't they. That was
Speaker 3: a feat of construction Midsummer. I had to watch chunks
Speaker 3: of it through my sweater because I was genuinely hereditary.
Speaker 3: I think I found I found Hereditary almost sort of
Speaker 3: more upsetting, because hereditary feels like a more I don't
Speaker 3: know this Hereditary so much about.
Speaker 4: The grief of losing people.
Speaker 3: Also, I will say this for Hereditary, one of the
Speaker 3: great misdirects of any trailer that I've ever seen. The
Speaker 3: trailer makes it look like you were watching a film
Speaker 3: about the grief of one character, and it abs absolutely
Speaker 3: missells who that character is. And the first time I
Speaker 3: saw it in my I saw it on I want
Speaker 3: to say, DVD whatever, the DVD that's in the internet,
Speaker 3: whatever that's called. I saw it on a DVD inside
Speaker 3: the Internet.
Speaker 4: Whatever it is.
Speaker 3: Who says I can't relate to Bloomers the DVD inside
Speaker 3: the Internet. I watched it on one of them, and somehow,
Speaker 3: even though lots of people, including you, had seen the
Speaker 3: film and talk to me about it at quite length,
Speaker 3: you somehow kept the secret of the movie. And it
Speaker 3: is absolutely incredible when you realize what you're watching now
Speaker 3: that or all of that being said Midsummer I had
Speaker 3: to stop, like, I had to physically look away. It
Speaker 3: made me physically unwell. There is a bit where people,
Speaker 3: oh god, it's people, is this? How where are we
Speaker 3: with spoilers here?
Speaker 1: I mean I sort of always say go for it,
Speaker 1: but then I don't want to ruin anyone's Christmas. So
Speaker 1: if you go, you just got to put your hand up.
Speaker 1: I really want to see that film, please don't. Then
Speaker 1: what go it?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 3: The whole time, something has gone awry in this movie
Speaker 3: and Ariasta's fucking life. During Hereditary, I actually shouted, what
Speaker 3: is wrong with this bloke? Something is wrong with this bloke?
Speaker 3: He not well, he needs to see a therapist. This
Speaker 3: shit is disgusting. And there is a bit in Midsommer
Speaker 3: where from the beginning the image of the way the
Speaker 3: parents are killed. I was watching that being like, great,
Speaker 3: well that's with me until I die.
Speaker 4: Right, that's burned into my retinas.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm so excited to have that, to see that
Speaker 3: flash before my eyes before I meet my maker, only
Speaker 3: to be reincarnated so I can do Brett's podcast again.
Speaker 4: So already it's the most horrible thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: Then there is a scene where the first time you
Speaker 3: realize things are really fucking weird, when these two old
Speaker 3: people essentially commit Harry Keery and they jump. The way
Speaker 3: they do it is not like pop a little pill
Speaker 3: in your mouth, but do you know the way they
Speaker 3: do it is they jump off a massive cliff onto
Speaker 3: a sharp rock.
Speaker 4: Now the way you see it, yeah, face first.
Speaker 3: Now, the way that you see it is that you
Speaker 3: see them take the step and fall, and at every
Speaker 3: point you're going.
Speaker 4: Cut away, cut away, cut away, cut away, cut away,
Speaker 4: cut away, He's going to cut away.
Speaker 3: Then they go face first into the rock and it
Speaker 3: zooms in.
Speaker 1: And they bounce. They it is and some blood comes
Speaker 1: out as they bounce. And then you think, well, I
Speaker 1: won't have to see the damage. Yes you will, Yes,
Speaker 1: you very much. Feel because Ari Asta is not well,
Speaker 1: fuck like, it's fucking horrible. So he consistently says it's
Speaker 1: his breakup film. I'm like, if i'm his e and
Speaker 1: I watched that, I'm like, I'm so sorry whatever I did,
Speaker 1: Please don't hurt you.
Speaker 3: Talk to me about Midsummer and Hereditary as someone who
Speaker 3: I would say has a much better sense of the
Speaker 3: history of horror than I do.
Speaker 4: What's your feeling about it?
Speaker 3: Because some people I know who really love horror don't
Speaker 3: love these films as much, or certainly didn't like Hereditary
Speaker 3: as much.
Speaker 1: I think he's he's amazing. Yeah, I think it's because
Speaker 1: he's got the reason I find it, it's because he's
Speaker 1: emotional with him the same thing that happens in the
Speaker 1: Hereditary and in Midsommer. The way he films people being
Speaker 1: upset is really upsetting, and so then you're just in it.
Speaker 1: You just care too much. So when people are getting
Speaker 1: their faces spike, it's like horrible because you've you've you've
Speaker 1: bloody invested. Now yeah yeah, in Happy Deaf Day to
Speaker 1: you head's spashed it, it's like all good fun.
Speaker 3: But in this this shot in Hereditary, when she's in
Speaker 3: the group therapy, and the camera sort of does this
Speaker 3: thing where it manages to sort of, I don't you know,
Speaker 3: he must be on a crane or something, but it's
Speaker 3: indoors and it sort of dives from over the top
Speaker 3: of the rest of the group, and you sort of
Speaker 3: you sort of slowly plunge towards like being on a
Speaker 3: sort of I mean, it's literally an emotional rollercoaster. I
Speaker 3: just realizing as you said this, you climb up and
Speaker 3: then you're sort of looking down onto this sort of
Speaker 3: stricken Oh and what he puts what he puts Muriel through.
Speaker 4: Ah, that was terrible, Muriel Murial.
Speaker 3: That was fucking horrible Muriel Murial making just fucking christ Muriel.
Speaker 3: But also there are points where it almost becomes in
Speaker 3: midsummer when they're having sex and those old ladies are
Speaker 3: pushing his butt into the woman.
Speaker 4: That is also funny, Like it's funny, it was weird.
Speaker 3: It's almost like it's pitched at a tone of such
Speaker 3: like operatic hysteria that it rides this really odd line
Speaker 3: between being genuinely viscerally upsetting and also a bit funny.
Speaker 1: There's also they take acid and when she's not happy,
Speaker 1: that stressed me out so fucking They arrive in this
Speaker 1: field and her boyfriend, who she's not having a great
Speaker 1: time with, she's not happy, she's in grief, she's upset.
Speaker 1: And then everyone goes, should we do some acid? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, definitely not. And then everyone's like yeah, and
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, I feel a bit dark. Actually probably
Speaker 1: not a good idea for me, and they go oh.
Speaker 1: And then she's like oh okay, and I'm like, ah,
Speaker 1: this is fuck. Now I've done acid once. Is that illegal?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but read rolls.
Speaker 4: You can't bread roll yourself.
Speaker 1: And someone made me watch Pie whilst on acid. I
Speaker 1: mean basically twelve hours later, I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I'm mad now for I guess this is me. I
Speaker 1: now live here in Mad. I must call my mother
Speaker 1: and try to explain where I am. I mean, I
Speaker 1: was in my room, but I must explain that I
Speaker 1: now I live in Mad because of pay such a
Speaker 1: stressful film.
Speaker 4: Why would you?
Speaker 3: I mean, I've never done acid because I am very
Speaker 3: frightened of all drug But even I know that that
Speaker 3: is not a good combination of narcotic and activity.
Speaker 1: I try.
Speaker 3: That's the title of your That's the title of your
Speaker 3: new podcast. We do really ill advised things. It's Brett
Speaker 3: gold seem the discount bungee jumping.
Speaker 1: Yeah, too easy. My scariest film of the decade is
Speaker 1: the film Wiena. Have you seen Wiener? Wiena is a
Speaker 1: documentary about a New York senator who is running for mayor.
Speaker 1: Now it's all true. He genuinely could win mayor. He
Speaker 1: is good, He is good for the world. He is
Speaker 1: a good senator. The problem is he can't stop sending
Speaker 1: pictures of his dick to people. His human name is
Speaker 1: Wiener and he has been. At the beginning of the film,
Speaker 1: there's been a scandal. He's sent pictures of his knob
Speaker 1: to people. He's apologized. He's running for mary again. New
Speaker 1: York's behind him. They're like, do you know what, Because
Speaker 1: you are good for the world, you just got a
Speaker 1: little sort of addiction to showy nub to people. His wife,
Speaker 1: who seems like a lovely woman, she stands by on
Speaker 1: the campus. She says, you know, that's in the past,
Speaker 1: and he's doing his campaign. He's working so hard. He's
Speaker 1: good for the world, but he keeps he can't stop
Speaker 1: texting his nub to people, and like I think. I
Speaker 1: find it's so scary because I worry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually I hate to jump in here, Brett.
Speaker 1: What have you?
Speaker 4: What have you got to share with the group?
Speaker 1: What if? Like what I I want to say to him?
Speaker 1: I want to say to him if this is your thing,
Speaker 1: and I don't judge everyone as their thing, text your wife, yeah,
Speaker 1: text your wife. Your dick. It's the same dick as well.
Speaker 1: I don't know why you think this is new information
Speaker 1: that you're sending out. It's the same dick. The dick
Speaker 1: has been on the news. Yeah, and he could win,
Speaker 1: but he just it's like, do save the world or
Speaker 1: text my dick? And it's so close for him now.
Speaker 1: Just higher, Brett, this frightens you.
Speaker 3: Just to be clear, and I feel like I'm speaking
Speaker 3: as your legal representation here, but just to be clear,
Speaker 3: the reason you are frightened of this film is you feel.
Speaker 4: Event through real events.
Speaker 3: You see the dramatization of the dialogue between a man
Speaker 3: and his penis.
Speaker 4: Can you do well?
Speaker 1: Aren't we all Weiena.
Speaker 4: I've got to be honest with you.
Speaker 3: I don't think we're all we I don't think this
Speaker 3: ends with like hashtags just we weena.
Speaker 1: The horror is his wife as well, because she stands
Speaker 1: by him. She goes on that he's a good man,
Speaker 1: and I love him, and at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: he just loves he loves it. And the thing, I
Speaker 1: don't care. I have never met a human being. And
Speaker 1: I will throw this to the audience. Has a woman
Speaker 1: in this room ever enjoyed receiving a picture of someone's dick? No,
Speaker 1: and yet it keeps happening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I just don't know. I just don't.
Speaker 3: I understand that there are like solicited pictures that have
Speaker 3: passed between consenting adults, and that's but that's a different thing.
Speaker 3: But is there a story out there where you're like, hey,
Speaker 3: how did you meet your husband? And you're like, he
Speaker 3: just sent me a picture of his dick on the Internet?
Speaker 1: Now, I have, for the record, not yet ever sent
Speaker 1: a picture of my dick out. I don't understand men
Speaker 1: who think I send a dick when the clear consensus
Speaker 1: is no one wants it, even if you're going to
Speaker 1: be met.
Speaker 3: But the time and then there's like this, there's so
Speaker 3: many layers to this story. Because in the summer, I
Speaker 3: first became aware of this because I was watching the
Speaker 3: Daily Show that was the summer. John Stewart went away
Speaker 3: to make the film, and he was covered by John Oliver,
Speaker 3: the poor Man's nish Kumar, and.
Speaker 4: By no one.
Speaker 3: And he had this whole thing because one of the
Speaker 3: pseudonym that Weena used, because I mean, when your name
Speaker 3: is already essentially Richard Dick, he decided to create am.
Speaker 4: The pseudonym he chose was Carlos Danger. But the thing
Speaker 4: is this.
Speaker 3: Movie has very very serious repercussions for it, which sort
Speaker 3: of happened after the film ends. Like you think the
Speaker 3: film is scary, the consequences of the film were arguably
Speaker 3: even more scary because his wife is a woman called
Speaker 3: Humer Abadin, who was Hillary Clinton's number two women.
Speaker 4: Like, the two of them were married.
Speaker 3: There's a bit in the film where they show a
Speaker 3: photo of their wedding and the person officiating it was
Speaker 3: Bill Clinton. You're like, well, you'd know about a fucking chance.
Speaker 3: But yeah, but the humor baid. His computer was seased
Speaker 3: because Weena sent one of the pictures and there was
Speaker 3: a picture and it was I think he was sent
Speaker 3: to a girl who was underage, And certainly there was
Speaker 3: another there was certainly a problem where he sent a
Speaker 3: picture while he was holding his child's son.
Speaker 1: Oh keep it.
Speaker 4: So basically they seized his computer.
Speaker 3: They seized Humor Abaiden's computer, and on that computer were
Speaker 3: correspondences with Hillary Clinton that resulted in the FBI reopening
Speaker 3: in the investigation into Hillary Clinton. In the lead up
Speaker 3: to the twenty sixteen presidential election, the final round of
Speaker 3: FBI investigations started because of investigations that began into Humor
Speaker 3: Abaidens computer because of Anthony Wiener's dick.
Speaker 1: That, my friend, is why it is a fucking horror film.
Speaker 4: So I commend you on your choice.
Speaker 1: Rat bloody hell. That's a good turn, right. What is
Speaker 1: the film that made you cry the most? Dist Well,
Speaker 1: do you want to answer this one first? Very okay?
Speaker 4: Well, you and I both criers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're pathetic.
Speaker 3: No, No, I think that's that's not necessarily fair to
Speaker 3: say you and I men incapable of expressing our emotions
Speaker 3: and so we have to do it through the conduit
Speaker 3: of cinema.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and more. The truth is when I say I'm
Speaker 1: pathetic and cry never in front of anything. So what
Speaker 1: I do is take myself to the cinema on my
Speaker 1: own at a time, I think not many people will
Speaker 1: be there, sit at the back and cry. Now the
Speaker 1: film that fucked me up? Yeah, yeah, I was saving
Speaker 1: mister Banks. I do I know this about you, Brett.
Speaker 1: This was a real hard one for you.
Speaker 3: What was it? What was it about? I've seen say,
Speaker 3: miss Bads. I thought I understand it was. It had
Speaker 3: some weight to it, and I did enjoy it. I thought,
Speaker 3: tomms will great. What was it about it?
Speaker 1: Any any story with a dad? Forget it. I'm done.
Speaker 1: Add to that Mary Poppins, which the original Mary Poppins
Speaker 1: is about the dad. The story of the making of
Speaker 1: the film about the dad. There's another Dad. That's double Dad's,
Speaker 1: that's Dad squared, this is Dad, this is Dad inception
Speaker 1: the Easter Eggs of Dad's all the way for it.
Speaker 1: Plus Tom Hanks, who we all wish was our dad.
Speaker 1: That's that's a that's a dad three. I don't know
Speaker 1: what three square three. That is a threes up dad film.
Speaker 1: And in the end and she and the thing and
Speaker 1: the songs, and then I was such a wreck that
Speaker 1: I had a hoodie with me. I had to, I said.
Speaker 1: All the way through credits, co Stock crying. Everyone left,
Speaker 1: the staff came in and without being a dickhead. This
Speaker 1: was when Derek, I'm into the show, Derek. It was
Speaker 1: when it was like Most on the Telly, and it
Speaker 1: was the time I was like Most being sort of
Speaker 1: recognized and I was like, oh fuck, and I put
Speaker 1: a hoodie, wrapped it around my head and sort of
Speaker 1: kept went out like the elephant man, because I thought
Speaker 1: I look insane at there, not getting up like and
Speaker 1: then shuffling out three dads, three dads. Yeah, terrible that
Speaker 1: I watched a film though, never watch it again. Go ahead,
Speaker 1: have you never watched it? Thank you.
Speaker 3: I've called you twice in the past. This is actually
Speaker 3: in the last couple of years. I've called you twice.
Speaker 3: Three times actually, but twice immediately after I've walked out
Speaker 3: of films because I needed to talk to you about
Speaker 3: how much I cried.
Speaker 4: It was the Florida Project and Roma.
Speaker 3: I had to call you after the Florida Project, at
Speaker 3: least with Roma. When I saw Roma, everybody in the
Speaker 3: cinema was distraught, and so it was like it really
Speaker 3: did feel like it was fine to walk out the
Speaker 3: Florida Project. I went to see it with no offense.
Speaker 3: A pack of fucking animals who at the end stood
Speaker 3: up and went, yeah, that was fine.
Speaker 4: Fine. What happened that in that movie was not It
Speaker 4: was not okay what happened it was horrible.
Speaker 1: We went for a walk together, didn't we?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we really did.
Speaker 1: When you called, I was like project, I was in
Speaker 1: a meeting. Sorry, guys, this is just seeing the Florida Project.
Speaker 1: I walked acrossland, I found him. We held each other.
Speaker 1: It's such a weird relationship. I did it with if
Speaker 1: Beale Street could talk as well. But that at least
Speaker 1: that was like I'd seen that in the Afternoon Roma and.
Speaker 4: The Florida Project.
Speaker 3: I walked out and phoned Brett because I was in
Speaker 3: such a bad way.
Speaker 4: And then we saw Marriage Story together.
Speaker 1: Now is the thing. We saw a marriage story together,
Speaker 1: Brave boys, brave boys, because we were next to each
Speaker 1: other and it ended. And what Nis said to me was,
Speaker 1: let's never let our partners see that out and we're
Speaker 1: going to pretend it doesn't exist. It's on Netflix, and
Speaker 1: so I have changed the password and no one needs
Speaker 1: to know. And whenever people say marriage story, I go, yes,
Speaker 1: tell us your marriage story and hope it covers it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, marriage story is if you're It's not great when
Speaker 3: a film throws all of your negative qualities into one character.
Speaker 3: You can't even set them by saying, well, at least
Speaker 3: I look like Adam Driver. The only thing that I've
Speaker 3: got in common with Adam Driver is we both have
Speaker 3: what can politely be deemed interesting schnazzes. A couple of
Speaker 3: absolute odd schnazzes between me and and the Drivemeister. But
Speaker 3: apart from that very little common ground, what's your film?
Speaker 3: So this is the thing these I'm weeping constantly cried
Speaker 3: through inside out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bing Bong, Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: When bing Bong goes off the edge, that's one of
Speaker 3: the worst things I've ever seen.
Speaker 4: Toy Story three, when they going.
Speaker 1: To bing Bong going off the edge is worse than
Speaker 1: the two people landing face first. It is hundred percent
Speaker 1: more traumatic.
Speaker 3: It really is, because at the end you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: well they were part of a weird cult.
Speaker 4: What big big Bonk do.
Speaker 3: Big bust, Big Pug was trying to big Pong did
Speaker 3: it to save Riley?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Anyway, Amazingly, none of those are the film the film
Speaker 3: that I think made me cry at the time and
Speaker 3: has made me cry every single time I've watched it
Speaker 3: is Arrival. I think the last five minutes of Arrival
Speaker 3: should like there should be a bit where the film
Speaker 3: stops and they go are you sure you want to
Speaker 3: see the rest of it? Are you one hundred percent
Speaker 3: sure that you want to see the rest of this?
Speaker 1: Te you know that Brett is free to talk in
Speaker 1: five minutes time.
Speaker 4: I the end of Arrival and people who have children.
Speaker 3: Just talking to a friend of mine who has kids,
Speaker 3: and I was like, I don't know how you got
Speaker 3: through the end of a arm and she was like,
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 4: I did a nervous break down.
Speaker 3: And It's one of the weird things is that I
Speaker 3: have noticed there was a time when I was I'm
Speaker 3: a standup comedians. I spend a lot of time on
Speaker 3: tour in hotel rooms with the internet and what you.
Speaker 1: Do where you can watch TV.
Speaker 3: Yeah, famously it's like Blockbuster, but it's in the air.
Speaker 3: I've noticed a weird habit where I get drunk and
Speaker 3: watch the end of Arrival.
Speaker 4: Wow, like I'm masturbating my emotions.
Speaker 3: Wow, it is one of those Listen, I am going
Speaker 3: to be in therapy from January. Okay, is it is
Speaker 3: a really weird thing the end of that. I think
Speaker 3: that whole film is absolutely perfect. I think the last
Speaker 3: five minutes are who's seen arrival?
Speaker 4: Just by show of hands? Who keep your hands in
Speaker 4: the air.
Speaker 3: If you saw the end coming, you knew what the
Speaker 3: essential twist was gonna be, right okay, because I that
Speaker 3: would have really helped me the fuck out because I
Speaker 3: didn't see that coming, and the force of the ending
Speaker 3: of that hit me like a fucking train. And when
Speaker 3: you realize what's there's a point where it essentially the
Speaker 3: line when she says, but who is that girl?
Speaker 4: From then on like I was like, oh, oh God,
Speaker 4: oh Christ.
Speaker 3: And the sort of choice that Amy Adams's character Amy
Speaker 3: Adams grays out for of all time, I won't hear anything.
Speaker 3: I don't even want to hear a counter argument to that.
Speaker 3: You can all go fuck yourself the last But the
Speaker 3: way the choice that she makes at the end of
Speaker 3: that movie is the most unbelievably human thing I think
Speaker 3: I've ever seen in a movie, Like the choice that
Speaker 3: she makes to know how things are going to play
Speaker 3: out and still make the decision that she makes.
Speaker 1: Would you do it?
Speaker 3: I honestly don't know. I honestly don't know, it's how
Speaker 3: I don't even know how you wrap your mind around
Speaker 3: the enormity of that idea that if you knew that
Speaker 3: you were going to have a child and that they
Speaker 3: were going to be sick and they were going to suffer,
Speaker 3: do you still make the choice to have Like, I mean,
Speaker 3: it's I have to stop talking about it because otherwise
Speaker 3: I don't want to cry in front of these people.
Speaker 4: They've paid.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's time, Maybe it's time. This January is still
Speaker 1: far away.
Speaker 4: But I mean, the whole film is.
Speaker 3: I rewatched it because we were talking about this, and
Speaker 3: there's there's stuff in Arrival, the way that it handles
Speaker 3: the science fiction element of it. There's a one line
Speaker 3: in it that is unreal where you get it's one
Speaker 3: exchange and you get the backstory of two characters immediately
Speaker 3: when Forest Switzku is a army general, comes in and
Speaker 3: sees Amy Adams and they've met before, and they explain
Speaker 3: how they've met before by him saying she's a linguistics expert.
Speaker 4: He says, you made short work of that rebel dialect.
Speaker 3: She says, you made short work of those rebels, And
Speaker 3: you're like, wow, I know every single thing about both
Speaker 3: of these characters and how they relate to each other
Speaker 3: and interact in one two line exchange and so like.
Speaker 3: Of course, a person with that level of sort of
Speaker 3: the course, a group of people making a film with
Speaker 3: that level of skill can sell you on Octopus aliens
Speaker 3: called Abbott and Costello and it somehow be the purest
Speaker 3: evocation of what it means to be a parent.
Speaker 1: Fucking right, Yeah, clapp it, well, clap it. What is
Speaker 1: the film that you love but most people don't like, or,
Speaker 1: to put it a nicer way, the most underrated film.
Speaker 3: The film that I have the most arguments with people about,
Speaker 3: is not the one.
Speaker 4: I'll say.
Speaker 3: The film that I have the most arguments with people
Speaker 3: about is Inherent Vice, which for some reason people seem
Speaker 3: to absolutely hate.
Speaker 1: Who showing loads of people hate.
Speaker 4: Does anyone who hear you hating her Advice? Yeah? People
Speaker 4: hating her and Vice?
Speaker 1: You're very wrong.
Speaker 4: I really love Spy.
Speaker 3: I think that's an incredible movie, and I think that
Speaker 3: it's for me. It's like one of the great comedies
Speaker 3: the last twenty years. But the film that I will
Speaker 3: say is not necessarily one that's underrated, because in order
Speaker 3: for it to be underrated, it would have to be rated, right.
Speaker 3: I think this is a movie that people have forgotten exists.
Speaker 3: But in twenty ten Alex Garland adapted Kazooa Shaguru's novel
Speaker 3: Never Let Me Go, and it came out and sort
Speaker 3: of died a death. I think it's really really worth
Speaker 3: going back and read this people in the front road
Speaker 3: who are like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, genuinely,
Speaker 3: it died a death. It has an incredible cast. It's
Speaker 3: uh spider Man, Spider Man, Pride and Prejudice, both the.
Speaker 4: Worst two versions of those things.
Speaker 3: It's got Andrew Garfield, Kiera Knightley, and Carrie Mulligan in education.
Speaker 4: Yeah, an education.
Speaker 3: It's directed by Mark Romineck, who's made lots of very
Speaker 3: celebrated music videos, and it's adapted by Alex Garland, who
Speaker 3: went on to make ex Macinet and Annihilation, both great movies.
Speaker 3: And it really is like the I think the reason
Speaker 3: it's struggled is because the poster makes it look fucking boring,
Speaker 3: Like if you look at the if you that movie,
Speaker 3: it's just two people sort of running on a pier
Speaker 3: and you think, fuck me. The other poster is just
Speaker 3: this like red nonsense with loads of squares of them
Speaker 3: sort of holding each other's faces. And I think part
Speaker 3: of the problem and the reason that this movie and
Speaker 3: I wouldn't this one I won't spoil because I truly
Speaker 3: think not enough people have even heard of it for
Speaker 3: me to get into it. It is almost impossible to
Speaker 3: explain what this film is about without ruining some of it.
Speaker 3: It looks like a totally shit boring Hollywood parody of
Speaker 3: a British film, Like it looks like the sort of
Speaker 3: film where people go, oh, yeah, it's a British movie,
Speaker 3: people talking in a kitchen.
Speaker 1: Yes, and then at the end they run down a peer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And at the end they run down
Speaker 3: a peer, and with that supposed to mean something for
Speaker 3: some reason.
Speaker 4: Oh Christ. But it's a completely brilliant film. Whatever you
Speaker 4: think it is.
Speaker 3: It is not that the novel is really very sort
Speaker 3: of widely fated. People really love the novel. It is
Speaker 3: a science fiction film in the truest sense of the world.
Speaker 3: It's science fiction in the way that Arrival is science fiction.
Speaker 3: Like it's the purest distillation of what that means. But
Speaker 3: to say any more would be to spoil the film.
Speaker 3: And it's amazing because I think it's the best performances
Speaker 3: any of them have given, and there's such talented actors
Speaker 3: and the kind of the sort of supporting cast as
Speaker 3: made as Charlotte Rampling is in it, Sally Hawkins is
Speaker 3: in it, and she sort of has this speech halfway
Speaker 3: through where you're like, wow, okay, because that it sort
Speaker 3: of explains what the film's about, and it totally takes
Speaker 3: you by surprise.
Speaker 4: It's a really beautifully written and performed thing.
Speaker 3: The tone of it is really nicely managed, and it's
Speaker 3: just a real shame because it's there's no way to
Speaker 3: explain what it is without Phantom Thread is another film
Speaker 3: that I think was made to look shit by the
Speaker 3: publicity materials. But I think it's really difficult to publicize
Speaker 3: a film without spoiling it, and this is a movie
Speaker 3: that ultimately I think got fucked by its publicity. So
Speaker 3: because it's an adaptation of a seemingly unfilmable novel, I
Speaker 3: imagine people who like the novel thought, well, I'm obviously
Speaker 3: not going to see that because it's going to be
Speaker 3: really bad, because how could you possibly film something this complicated?
Speaker 3: But I would really urge you water check it out.
Speaker 3: I think it's really great. Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4: What's yours?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 1: I got two, but i'll do him quick. One is
Speaker 1: the Last Exorcist. Do you see that? Anyone see that?
Speaker 1: So horror film found footage thing about a geezer who
Speaker 1: does exorcisms, and he says, like, follow me. He's decided
Speaker 1: he's going to be good. He's sort of like, I've
Speaker 1: been tricking people. And he goes, come with me. I'm
Speaker 1: going to do a fake exorcism. You'll see how it works.
Speaker 1: And he takes this documentary crew and goes to see
Speaker 1: this girl who thinks she's possessed by the devil. He
Speaker 1: doesn't believe in nothing. And he sees the girl and
Speaker 1: it's quite scary. She's a bit scary, but he sort
Speaker 1: of figures out, oh, it's all bullshit because she's doing
Speaker 1: something over it. And then he leaves and then he
Speaker 1: gets a phone call saying, my daughter's like being weird again.
Speaker 1: And he goes back and the door's like doing a
Speaker 1: fucking spider walk and he's like, oh, oh, a bit
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: And do you think the film got slightly compromised? Because
Speaker 3: it's a bold playing. If you make a horror film
Speaker 3: and say the Exorcist in the title also.
Speaker 1: Well, I've made a film called super Bob the thing
Speaker 1: little right film, Oh thank you very much, but little
Speaker 1: fun fact you may not know The Last Exorcist is
Speaker 1: one of the biggest influences on super Bob. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: the structure of the Last exist is basically man says
Speaker 1: no to something like like, oh, I've done an exist
Speaker 1: but it's not real. He gets called back listen mate,
Speaker 1: it is real. He goes back. He says no, it's
Speaker 1: not real, and then he goes back and it's like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, got real. And in super Bob he has
Speaker 1: to shake her hand. He says no, then Act two happens.
Speaker 1: He says no, and then he has to shake everyone's hands.
Speaker 1: That's the structure of the last Yeah.
Speaker 3: It speaks to my lack of skill because I moderated
Speaker 3: one of the q and as with super Bob, and
Speaker 3: I didn't really get past that. Most of my questions were,
Speaker 3: you've made a film, your face.
Speaker 1: Was massive, such a big old head as it is?
Speaker 4: Is there a question at the end of this?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What fuck? That is genuinely what he asked Mother
Speaker 1: one is Batman versus Superman? Down of Justice Now this
Speaker 1: film right by the way.
Speaker 3: I walked off, So help me God, I am coming
Speaker 3: back because of our friendship. He is one of the
Speaker 3: shittest things I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: If sure, if you don't like German expressionistic art cinema,
Speaker 1: which is what it.
Speaker 3: Is, how is Batman versus supermanan German expressionistic art cinema.
Speaker 1: Because tell me that at any point it makes sense,
Speaker 1: Tell me that you're not watching it, like I went sick.
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to see it. I haven't said it
Speaker 1: was shit, and then one day is that I'll go.
Speaker 1: And I went to I like, I cannot believe this exists.
Speaker 1: It's the maddest thing I've ever seen. Nothing makes sense.
Speaker 1: As if he got to the what I think happened
Speaker 1: is in the Avid. He was in the edit suite
Speaker 1: he made the film. He said, it's ready to go,
Speaker 1: press print, but instead of pressing print, he pressed random
Speaker 1: shuffle and all the scenes got put in a different order,
Speaker 1: and they went, oh fuck, and he went us too
Speaker 1: late is the release that we got put it out?
Speaker 1: And they put it out. Scenes follow scenes in a
Speaker 1: way your brains can't compute, so it makes your brain.
Speaker 3: Of the movie is a dream as much of Batman
Speaker 3: Versus Superman as a dream sequence as inception which is
Speaker 3: set in dreams.
Speaker 1: But the greatest thing about Batman Versus meant Jordan does,
Speaker 1: and sorry to spoil this, but Batman and Superman have
Speaker 1: a fight. Now you may not you may not know this,
Speaker 1: but making films is hard. It's really hard. And when
Speaker 1: it's a film like this, this is over one hundred million,
Speaker 1: there's so much at stake. There are so many execs,
Speaker 1: there are so many meetings that have to happen. What
Speaker 1: happened was there was a and it was agreed by
Speaker 1: everyone that the solution to Batman and Superman having a
Speaker 1: fight is that as they're fighting, one of them says
Speaker 1: something Martha, and he says, why did you say Martha?
Speaker 1: And he goes, that's my mom's name, and Batman goes,
Speaker 1: fuck off, that's my mom's name, and then they make up.
Speaker 4: That is the resolution of.
Speaker 1: The what happened in the meeting? Who is in that meeting?
Speaker 1: Who is so scary that everyone went, yeah, that sounds good.
Speaker 4: It doesn't It doesn't. It mustn't make anything.
Speaker 1: That is extraordinary cinema.
Speaker 3: Also, can I ask you this, Brett, what film is
Speaker 3: Jesse Eisenberg in he is in That's That's that's Batman, Superman.
Speaker 1: They're all in different film.
Speaker 4: Batman with two ends and mention.
Speaker 3: Jesse Eisenberg plays Lex Luthor like he's a nineties game
Speaker 3: show host.
Speaker 1: Love it right? What is the do you want to do?
Speaker 1: This one? All right? The film that means the most
Speaker 1: to you this decade because of the experience you had
Speaker 1: seeing it.
Speaker 3: Okay, don't get angry with me, all of you. But
Speaker 3: Avengers Endgame, this is your this is yeah, this is
Speaker 3: actually yeah, this is a demographic Amcy Avengers Endgame.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing, right, Obviously, there's this.
Speaker 3: I think so many things about what Martin Scorsese said
Speaker 3: about Marvel films. There's so much that I think about it,
Speaker 3: largely because I think, you know, first of all, people
Speaker 3: who get very defensive of them. You don't need to
Speaker 3: defend these things. They've made a trillion dollars. I think that,
Speaker 3: regardless of what level of stature you get to, your
Speaker 3: opinions shouldn't be carried without impunity. However, on the other hand,
Speaker 3: it's Martin Scorsese and if it's about film, and say
Speaker 3: whatever the fuck he wants, right, really, I really think
Speaker 3: that he's entire he's earned the right to say what
Speaker 3: everyone's about anything, and I do I love the Marvel movies,
Speaker 3: but I do sort of agree that they aren't necessarily cinema.
Speaker 3: I think you have to approach them more as a
Speaker 3: massive TV box set. And certainly the way that they're
Speaker 3: run in terms of Kevin Figy being a kind of showrunner,
Speaker 3: is closer to the model of a TV show. Now
Speaker 3: that being said, you know, and the TV show, and
Speaker 3: it allows certain directors to come in and in a
Speaker 3: very self contained way do really interesting things, Like I
Speaker 3: think the first Avengers movie is a really great He's
Speaker 3: like the Magnificent Seven, but they're all in space. I
Speaker 3: think thor Ragnarok is one of the funniest films in
Speaker 3: the last ten years. And I think Black Panther is
Speaker 3: an extraordinary superhero film that somehow managed to like confront
Speaker 3: colonialism in a way that films about colonialism have managed
Speaker 3: to not do. People can do really interesting things and
Speaker 3: they have this show runner and it all works out. Now,
Speaker 3: all of that being said, I saw Avengers Endgame at
Speaker 3: seven am on the day it came out with three
Speaker 3: of my friends and we had a combined age of
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty and the experience of seeing it.
Speaker 3: Regardless of how I feel about this, I think it's
Speaker 3: a sort of I think it's sort of an extended
Speaker 3: TV show. I think this sort of universe. I'm not
Speaker 3: convinced it's damaging for cinema because at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, it's good to get people in the fucking cinema,
Speaker 3: and it also is encouraged. It also is giving platforms
Speaker 3: to some really interesting writers and directors. And if people
Speaker 3: go and see thor Ragnarok and end up watching Boy
Speaker 3: or The Hunt for the Wilder People or What We
Speaker 3: Do in the Shadows, or of people who like Black
Speaker 3: Panther end up seeing Fruitvale Station, then that.
Speaker 4: It surely is to be welcomed in some way, right.
Speaker 3: But sitting in that room when the portal's open and
Speaker 3: feeling a room full of people cheering it was a
Speaker 3: moment of a collective experience that is surely part of
Speaker 3: the reason you fall in love with cinema, like you
Speaker 3: fall in love with cinema for a lot of different reasons,
Speaker 3: for the capacity film to sort of shape your emotions
Speaker 3: and change the way that you see the world. But Also,
Speaker 3: part of the thing that we love about cinema is
Speaker 3: the collective experience. And when when Black Panther came through
Speaker 3: the portal, two adult men stood up and screamed were
Speaker 3: candor forever and like there was something about that and
Speaker 3: the pure joy that everyone felt in that moment that
Speaker 3: is inherently cinematic. And you watch television on your own,
Speaker 3: you experience it on your own, and then you talk
Speaker 3: about it the next day in the.
Speaker 4: Office or wherever you people work. I don't have a
Speaker 4: real job.
Speaker 3: You talk about it when you're in flying your biplanes,
Speaker 3: whatever jobs it is that you're doing these days, right
Speaker 3: or you or more and more accurately, you go on
Speaker 3: the internet, spend all your time on the Internet, and
Speaker 3: then complain the story didn't make sense because you were
Speaker 3: on the Internet. But the experience of cinema is designed
Speaker 3: to be a collective one. And when Avengers Endgame, when
Speaker 3: I watched Avengers Endgame and had the experience of seeing
Speaker 3: also I use the Marvel Cinematic universe as an escape,
Speaker 3: and that again is sort of part of cinema.
Speaker 4: Like I love the fact.
Speaker 3: That you can go to a movie and it can
Speaker 3: be incredibly moving and incredibly powerful, and I also love
Speaker 3: that you can go to a movie where a space
Speaker 3: robot is friends with a sassy raccoon like I.
Speaker 4: That's part of.
Speaker 3: The reason you sort of fall in love with cinema
Speaker 3: is that it's art and its entertainment, it's high culture
Speaker 3: and its low culture. And over the last ten years
Speaker 3: I have used the MCU to escape reality when the Internet,
Speaker 3: when the full force of the right wing breasts descends
Speaker 3: on me because someone threw bread at me, and somehow
Speaker 3: that's apparently my fault, and so I don't really delineate.
Speaker 4: That these characters are characters.
Speaker 3: Now when when Tony Stark gets off the ship and
Speaker 3: he's ill, I'm not seeing iron Man, I'm going, what's
Speaker 3: happened to my friend?
Speaker 4: What's What's what? What'sever I done to.
Speaker 3: My It's all right, but the experience of it the
Speaker 3: first time, and then I went back and saw it
Speaker 3: because just through proxy, my girlfriend has become infected by
Speaker 3: these fucking movies. So I went back and saw it
Speaker 3: with her the second time. And I still thought it
Speaker 3: was a really fun film. But the second time, the
Speaker 3: audience wasn't you know, it wasn't day one, seven am
Speaker 3: and so it didn't quite have. Also, I don't know
Speaker 3: how else to say this, there's not a whole lot
Speaker 3: of entertainment that's made for brown people at all. And
Speaker 3: the fact that Black Panther exists Black Panther is the
Speaker 3: closest thing to me as a superhero and I am
Speaker 3: not black. That's just the way culture has gone, and
Speaker 3: so that is there is something extremely.
Speaker 4: Cool about that.
Speaker 3: And for some weird reason, somebody had sent a memo
Speaker 3: memo out on the BAME WhatsApp groups and it was
Speaker 3: an unbelievably non white screening. It was an anti midsommer
Speaker 3: of a room and it was like it was there
Speaker 3: was a real energy to it, and there was a
Speaker 3: real excitement in experiencing that film not on my own
Speaker 3: at home, but with the group of my friends and
Speaker 3: a group of strangers.
Speaker 4: That sort of did go some way to remind me
Speaker 4: of what I love movies.
Speaker 1: I mean probably, I say, yeah, I take that it.
Speaker 4: What's yours?
Speaker 1: My answer is equally highbrow. I I was this really
Speaker 1: a long time ago. I was dating I was dating
Speaker 1: this woman and we hadn't been we've been I don't know,
Speaker 1: not been long. And it was like, how many dates.
Speaker 1: Is it till you go to the cinema. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like third for you, it's
Speaker 1: it's fifty. Yeah. But we we we had to meet
Speaker 1: I had a gigs whatever. I had to meet it
Speaker 1: very late. I had to meet her at midnight. We
Speaker 1: were going to go to the cinema. It was the
Speaker 1: first time we've been to cinema together. It's a big test,
Speaker 1: you know, because if this goes bad, we'll never be together,
Speaker 1: and if you talk, will never be together. It's like
Speaker 1: it's risky. But I took it and we were going
Speaker 1: to see I can't remember what we meant to see.
Speaker 1: It was something proper I'd done my rey. I was like,
Speaker 1: we're going to go see a good film. And we
Speaker 1: got there and we'd missed it. We'd missed the good
Speaker 1: film and the only film that was left to see
Speaker 1: was That's My Boy. Now, that's That's My Boy. It's
Speaker 1: Adam Sandler's worst reviewed film of all time. It has
Speaker 1: zero percent on Rotten Tomatoes. The premise of That's My
Speaker 1: Boy is the joke premises that he was he had
Speaker 1: his teacher played by Susan Sarandon, had sex with him
Speaker 1: when he was a child, and because he's a boy
Speaker 1: and she's Susan Sarandon, he's a legend and he grows
Speaker 1: up to be and everyone in the town high five.
Speaker 1: In More time, you're the guy who fucked missus whatever.
Speaker 1: That is the premise of That's My Boy. It's the
Speaker 1: sort of comedy about peter philia anyway. So I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't think and she was like, well, that's the
Speaker 1: only thing on. Let's go. And I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry, we won't to see it. She was on
Speaker 1: the floor. She couldn't believe how funny it was. She
Speaker 1: was like this up and down, laughing, rolling around. Reader
Speaker 1: I married her. I didn't. I didn't, but it really
Speaker 1: made me. It really made me like, Ah, this is fun,
Speaker 1: isn't it. You don't have to Why why are we
Speaker 1: all such you know? Maybe this is fun anyway, So
Speaker 1: lovely time.
Speaker 3: What what a sweet story that comes from one of
Speaker 3: the most horrible stories in the Western canon.
Speaker 1: It's quite something.
Speaker 4: It's absolutely it's awful.
Speaker 1: No, come on right, we don't listen. We're gonna have
Speaker 1: to skip some of this. Let's do I guess why
Speaker 1: everyone's here. What's the sexiest film of the decade. Can
Speaker 1: I go first? It's wiener No, No answer is the same. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's hustless.
Speaker 4: That's not let's not, let's not let's knock around, it's
Speaker 4: j Lo.
Speaker 1: Have you seen Hussles?
Speaker 4: I mean, fuck, it's really good. It's really good.
Speaker 1: It's really good on every level. And it's so good
Speaker 1: that it's really good on every level, so you can
Speaker 1: justify seeing it. And fucking hell, fifty, she's fifty. I
Speaker 1: love her now.
Speaker 3: She also the first time you see her do the
Speaker 3: pole once and the next time you see her is
Speaker 3: when she's up on the roof and she's just wearing
Speaker 3: a fur coat and smoke it and you're like, oh.
Speaker 4: God, I think I wanted to lie down now.
Speaker 1: In fact, one of the questions on here is best cuddle,
Speaker 1: and one of my answers for best cuddle is Hustlers
Speaker 1: is there's a scene on the roof. She sat in
Speaker 1: her big fur coat and the girl, the new girl,
Speaker 1: comes up and she's shy, and Jennifer Lopez gives her
Speaker 1: a cuddle in her big fur coat that puts between
Speaker 1: her legs, that cuddles there, and I've never wanted to
Speaker 1: be cuddled more. Yeah, that is one of the best cuddles.
Speaker 3: I think about that twice a night, Like it really
Speaker 3: is like when you like it's cold at the moment
Speaker 3: you're out in the street, it's just really cold, and
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, I just wish Jayla would wrap me
Speaker 3: in a big cut give.
Speaker 1: Me one if your special cuddle. Now there's a sub
Speaker 1: category traveling boner worrying why I don't have the de.
Speaker 3: Well, I have a sort of weirdly I love Spider
Speaker 3: Man and have loved Spider Man since I was a child.
Speaker 1: Go on.
Speaker 3: I have found it very difficult to accept a sexy
Speaker 3: Aren't May. I found it very difficult to accept because
Speaker 3: to me Aunt May is like, it's not Marissa to
Speaker 3: my but she's great. But the real traveling boner and
Speaker 3: I feel very bad about this. The real traveling boner
Speaker 3: is Amy Adams in American Hustle, who I think.
Speaker 4: After I saw that, I was like, that is one of.
Speaker 3: The sexiest performances I have ever seen in a movie.
Speaker 3: And then afterwards I read this really horrible interview where
Speaker 3: she has said she had a really bad time on
Speaker 3: that film and she was crying the whole time, and
Speaker 3: I was just looking at my boner being like, few
Speaker 3: piece of shit? You absolute how dare you become aroused
Speaker 3: when the greatest actor of all time is having a
Speaker 3: difficult couple of months at work, and so it's not
Speaker 3: so much troubling as it is guilty as to borrow.
Speaker 1: Mine is under the skin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh oh, fuck off, you lying, lying sack of pricks.
Speaker 4: You know what he's talking about.
Speaker 1: Scylliger Hansen is obviously very beautiful, and she loures lures
Speaker 1: men into her mini van and I think, yeah, I'd
Speaker 1: get in, and then she and then she takes them
Speaker 1: to her weird house that's just got gunk everywhere, and
Speaker 1: the men seem to go, it seems to r and
Speaker 1: they walk into the to the gunk and I'm like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: okay uh. And then in the end it turns out
Speaker 1: she doesn't have insides or anything. And I still fancy
Speaker 1: this is something like you're very.
Speaker 3: Troubled by this phote, Yeah, well, trying to be open.
Speaker 4: Well, I listen, I know what you mean.
Speaker 3: And anyone who was making a shrieking noise is lying
Speaker 3: to themselves.
Speaker 1: Right, because we are pushed for a time, let's pick
Speaker 1: best cuddle we've done. But there's more, John, do one
Speaker 1: more one? Best cuddle?
Speaker 3: Well, I'll say the same one as yours, because I
Speaker 3: think it is probably the best cuddle.
Speaker 1: Shoplifters, shoplifters. I talk about it a lot. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just the little girl. They've got this
Speaker 1: little girl, they've sort of got this little girl adopted her.
Speaker 1: And the mum is cuddling a similar pose to the
Speaker 1: j loose and she sees she has scars on her arm,
Speaker 1: this this little girl, and she says to her, perhaps
Speaker 1: you would talk that that is what love is, but
Speaker 1: that isn't what love feels like. And she cuddles her
Speaker 1: and she says, that is what love feels like.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, unbelievable, incredible, absolutely unbelievable.
Speaker 1: What a film. All right, let's do okay, let's do greatest.
Speaker 1: Because here's the thing. I always thinking about the great
Speaker 1: It's not the favorite, the greatest. Objectively, what is the
Speaker 1: greatest film in a decade? And the answer came to
Speaker 1: me and it hit me hard, and I was annoyed
Speaker 1: by it because I don't even like this film. I
Speaker 1: don't like what it did to me. I never want
Speaker 1: to see it again. But I'm like it is the
Speaker 1: greatest film of the decade. I'm genuinely annoyed that it is.
Speaker 1: But I think it's inside out. I think inside out conceptually.
Speaker 1: He taught me through it because if you look at everything,
Speaker 1: it is unbelievably profound. It is literally a film that
Speaker 1: talks about the human psyche, why we have depression, why
Speaker 1: sadness is important, and not to fight it. The little
Speaker 1: girl in it, the damage that is done by the
Speaker 1: mum saying you need to be a brave girl for daddy.
Speaker 1: That fucks her up for life, That all these things
Speaker 1: that make up our brain, the conceptualization of a baby
Speaker 1: and in her head there is one button in the
Speaker 1: brain and then those buttons grow as like I mean,
Speaker 1: it's fucking incredible when you think about it, with all
Speaker 1: the things in your head doing all that work.
Speaker 3: I don't know that there's ever been a film that's
Speaker 3: ever depicted human consciousness in that way. It is unbelievably Yeah,
Speaker 3: the idea at the end, Bing Bong had absolutely ruined me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but then when he's sort of like, oh, sadness is
Speaker 3: a really important part of life, Yeah.
Speaker 6: You're like, Jesus, are you sure we should be telling
Speaker 6: children this is, and the sort of twist of like
Speaker 6: all those memories you saw, actually they were happy memories,
Speaker 6: but there were sadness in them, and like I'll say this,
Speaker 6: I'll fucking say it here because January soon.
Speaker 1: It helped me. It helped my mental health because I
Speaker 1: think I spent a lot of time thinking it has
Speaker 1: to be joy all the time, has to be joining
Speaker 1: the time. Any other emotion means that I am failing
Speaker 1: or I am not well, and this film said no,
Speaker 1: you need that shit to balance everything out. And I
Speaker 1: was like, fuck you pix up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you're yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it is. I'm annoyed, but it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, what's your one you can't top inside out?
Speaker 4: I'll see your inside out and I'll raise you a
Speaker 4: baby dice. Roma. I think Roma is.
Speaker 3: I think if I had to answer the question of greatest,
Speaker 3: I really feel like just on every level, I think
Speaker 3: the characters and the performances are extraordinary.
Speaker 4: The whole thing you could, I maintain.
Speaker 3: You could print Roma out frame by frame and hang
Speaker 3: it in a gallery. Every shot is a work of art.
Speaker 3: Every character feels fully realized. And the one weird thing
Speaker 3: that I've heard is people say, I really I liked Roma.
Speaker 3: I sort of really admired it, but it didn't really
Speaker 3: do anything for me emotion I could see looking at it,
Speaker 3: those people need to be on some sort of register,
Speaker 3: because it's sort of the most I don't know, like
Speaker 3: it's such an odd thing to be experiencing something that's
Speaker 3: so esthetically beautiful and so precise in the way that
Speaker 3: it's composed and the shot list, but also to realize
Speaker 3: it's absolutely smashed you in the gut and the end
Speaker 3: that that final scene, well not the final scene, the
Speaker 3: scene in the water when she goes into the water.
Speaker 4: How do they do it? It's amazing, It's incredibly short.
Speaker 3: But what's incredible about it is it's only in retrospect
Speaker 3: you go, wow, it's amazing that they managed to because
Speaker 3: at the time they've already killed a baby. Why wouldn't
Speaker 3: all the characters die? And so it is sheer terror
Speaker 3: at that last And there's a part of me that
Speaker 3: thinks the poster that they've shown shouldn't exist in a
Speaker 3: way because it sort of gives away the fact that
Speaker 3: people survive. But honestly, that was the only thing I
Speaker 3: clung to when I was watching it, because I was
Speaker 3: sick with terror. And then I was like, I thought,
Speaker 3: I think I've seen him on the beach.
Speaker 4: It's going to be okay. I saw the poster.
Speaker 3: I saw the poster on the beach because the end
Speaker 3: is absolutely harrowing.
Speaker 4: I think the performances are extraordinary. I think the film
Speaker 4: looks like a work of art.
Speaker 3: I think if you're like, for me, greatest film of
Speaker 3: the decade, I think for me, there was there was
Speaker 3: only ever one answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's the wrong answer, but no, it's so close.
Speaker 1: It's so close. It's number two, But inside Out is
Speaker 1: the one. All right, I think we should go to
Speaker 1: the audience. Yeah, yeah, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 1: Not great? It's favorite?
Speaker 4: Favorite? Get Out?
Speaker 1: Favorite, the favorite? The favorite?
Speaker 3: Favorite was get Out because I was really trying to
Speaker 3: sort of you really try, and it's an impossible thing
Speaker 3: to try and assess, like compare these different movies. But
Speaker 3: if I think about what I love about movies, get
Speaker 3: Out was all of it.
Speaker 4: There's everything that I love about film.
Speaker 3: Because I loved the capacity that films have to make
Speaker 3: you discuss really complicated and difficult issues. I love the
Speaker 3: fact that you can go on a journey with characters
Speaker 3: and you know that the moment at the end when
Speaker 3: he's holding her by the throat and the red and
Speaker 3: blue lights flash, and you felt an audience gasp and
Speaker 3: you felt an audience. I saw it in quite a
Speaker 3: mixed audience, and when everyone, when the people who aren't
Speaker 3: black in the room, when we gasp, you suddenly.
Speaker 4: Go, fuck me.
Speaker 3: That has shifted something about that. It's communicated something so
Speaker 3: potent and powerful about the African American experience. It's done
Speaker 3: something so incredible. But also it's so fucking entertaining. It's
Speaker 3: a proper thrill ride. It's so funny. The speech that
Speaker 3: culminates in the phrase that's Jeffrey Dahmer's business is as
Speaker 3: funny as anything ts mother fucking a like, it's every
Speaker 3: single element of it is so entertaining. The script is brilliant,
Speaker 3: the performances are incredible, And if we did this podcast
Speaker 3: two more times, I would vote Forget Out a third
Speaker 3: time if I could. I think it's the absolute my favorite,
Speaker 3: My favorite favorite face it.
Speaker 1: My favorite is the Florida Project, which is well, you know,
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it, sort yourselves.
Speaker 4: Out, please see the Florida Project.
Speaker 1: It's so f and I think it's import and cinema.
Speaker 1: What showed me that thing of it's like humanitarian. What's
Speaker 1: the word humanistic? Is that you watch a world that
Speaker 1: you don't know, that you have not experienced. And I've
Speaker 1: said this. I once went on a course for writing.
Speaker 1: I didn't learn much, but there was one thing that
Speaker 1: he said that always stuck with me. He said, a
Speaker 1: writer has to love all of their characters, no matter
Speaker 1: who their characters are. So if you're writing Hitler, you
Speaker 1: the writer, have to love Hitler. Doesn't mean your character
Speaker 1: is a good person, but you have to love it.
Speaker 1: Florida Project is a perfect example of someone making a
Speaker 1: film where he loves everyone. There's so much love and
Speaker 1: patience and respect for all of these characters in this anyway,
Speaker 1: fuck me, it's good and see it. I saw it.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. I went back. I went back
Speaker 1: because happens rarely where you like. I think that might
Speaker 1: be one of the top ten greatest films I've ever seen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: am I wrong? And I went back to the day.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I'm not wrong than right, ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, Let's do a bit with you guys, shall we?
Speaker 1: Who would like to share with us a film that
Speaker 1: men the most you this decade. You're right to leave,
Speaker 1: thank you. It's late, it's late, it is happy Christmas,
Speaker 1: and I hope you're right. Thank you for coming. Who
Speaker 1: would anyone like to go? We'll do this ten minutes
Speaker 1: of it and then we'll have a party, you sir,
Speaker 1: if we could start?
Speaker 4: Hello? Hello, Moonlight was one that really struck me, love me.
Speaker 3: I just told a story of a part of the
Speaker 3: world and that I know nothing about, in a way
Speaker 3: that I've never been seen before personally.
Speaker 4: So I thought it was amazing.
Speaker 1: Moonlight is top ten of the decade, correct ten points
Speaker 1: for this man.
Speaker 3: It would definitely be easily a candidate for greatest film
Speaker 3: in terms of a game like if you're trying to
Speaker 3: explain to people what movies are, Moonlight is pretty much
Speaker 3: as good a place as I need to start.
Speaker 1: Mean, who next to someone? There's oh, dear, there's this
Speaker 1: lady here? A recognize that. What's your name?
Speaker 7: Tara?
Speaker 1: Hello? What's your what's your place in this world? My brother? Yes,
Speaker 1: hello Tara, we meet again. I really like you. I
Speaker 1: like you too. We should hang out. We should Christmas?
Speaker 4: Sure O see that toy story?
Speaker 1: Fur yeah, go on, I don't know any thoughts.
Speaker 4: Have you seen it?
Speaker 1: I have seen it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, did you not cry?
Speaker 1: I hate to say this, I didn't, it was I
Speaker 1: didn't really, Yeah, but then I don't think I got it.
Speaker 8: It's about letting go.
Speaker 1: It's about like, that's why I didn't engage with it.
Speaker 1: I'm not going through this again, toy story.
Speaker 8: It's about parenthood and letting go and Gabby. Gabby can't
Speaker 8: have babies, and then she like that is what it's about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're fucking right.
Speaker 8: She's in fertile, she's born with a problem. Oh man,
Speaker 8: it's so sad.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you really put should we go to
Speaker 1: group therapy?
Speaker 3: And Key and Peel are great in it.
Speaker 1: And they just be there's a lady here who would
Speaker 1: like to go. Sorry.
Speaker 4: So there's some hands up on the other side as well.
Speaker 1: Thank you to see me after.
Speaker 9: After and so if you're me, it's Paddington.
Speaker 1: To What a film, lovely film.
Speaker 9: I saw it with my sister and our parents and
Speaker 9: other friends. And there was a moment at the end
Speaker 9: and don't want to spoil but I'll just say Aunt
Speaker 9: Lucy and then we all just looked.
Speaker 4: Over at each other.
Speaker 9: And we were all unanimously sobbing, and it was one
Speaker 9: of those moments that we all just shared and it's amazing.
Speaker 1: Ah that is lovely love.
Speaker 3: Also it all Sorry, I hate to raise the spectum
Speaker 3: of the b world, but like it all came out,
Speaker 3: it was very post Brexit, Like this movie has got
Speaker 3: about five extra layers and none of them were good.
Speaker 1: Who was next?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: This this man?
Speaker 3: In the end we go people at the top. The
Speaker 3: ladies already go on microphone, she's prying.
Speaker 1: Oh hello, oh hello, sorry hello.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I was thinking Cold War that came out last year.
Speaker 1: I love Cold Love Cold.
Speaker 7: It was it was so pretty everything about this and
Speaker 7: then that the whole you know that their entire love
Speaker 7: story just yeah, just you know, yeah, in a very
Speaker 7: short space.
Speaker 1: In under ninety minutes, that film has some lessons to teach.
Speaker 4: Yeah, amazing, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love I have the post it on my
Speaker 1: wall and everything. Love it sexy as well. It's got
Speaker 1: the lot So sorry, So was someone over here?
Speaker 5: Is that?
Speaker 1: Hello?
Speaker 4: Hi?
Speaker 1: Hi? Am? I related to you.
Speaker 5: I just want to say I think one of the
Speaker 5: films that made me cry the most was Manchester the
Speaker 5: Sea Christ.
Speaker 1: And Favorite Call Me by Your name. What was it? Oh,
Speaker 1: call me by your Name.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a great movie. It's been a great decade.
Speaker 1: Managed by the Sea. Yeah, it's so sad. And at
Speaker 1: some point in it, I was so upset and I
Speaker 1: was crying and I thought someone's made this up, Like
Speaker 1: why have you done this? Why have you sat down
Speaker 1: to write this, you mad bustard? It's so sad. Oh
Speaker 1: that's good. Who's next? Hi? Hello?
Speaker 5: I just wanted to tell everyone to go and see
Speaker 5: The Last Black Man in San Francisco, because I feel
Speaker 5: like not many people saw it, and I saw it
Speaker 5: at the London Film Festival and it was just probably
Speaker 5: one of my favorite films of all time, like film ever.
Speaker 5: So yeah, go and see it.
Speaker 1: And that's an order please? Oh great? Thank you? Who? Who?
Speaker 1: Who's got a mic?
Speaker 10: Christopher Robin.
Speaker 1: Left Field? Yest's go on?
Speaker 10: I just really liked it. I thought it was just
Speaker 10: such an incredible film about this like roller coaster adventure
Speaker 10: story where he's now an adult and and sort of
Speaker 10: reliving stuff that he kind of missed out on. And
Speaker 10: then like the end scene where he's like sitting with
Speaker 10: Winnie the Pooh on this like this log and Winnie
Speaker 10: the Pooh. I can't even remember who the the actors
Speaker 10: who plays Winnie the Pooh, but just got such like
Speaker 10: a quaint, soft, wonderful.
Speaker 1: I think it's the same voice that was from the
Speaker 1: cartoon and the real Winny I. I didn't see it
Speaker 1: because I was I knew it was going to make
Speaker 1: me cry and cry as well. Yeah, it sounds like
Speaker 1: Winnie the Pooh hook. I thought that's why it was.
Speaker 1: Thank you, all right, let's to We'll do two more
Speaker 1: and then we'll do it. There's a oh god, there's
Speaker 1: too many of you to leave me for help? Hello, Hello, what.
Speaker 4: We do in the shadows?
Speaker 5: Laugh?
Speaker 4: That opening scene with vampires don't do dishes? King kills
Speaker 4: me every time? And Peter in a spinal.
Speaker 1: Column, it's so great. Wolves swear wolves.
Speaker 4: Exactly, And the TV show was as good, so funny.
Speaker 3: Oh the scene where he's doing a dance and then
Speaker 3: someone burst in and he says, what you're doing, I'm
Speaker 3: trying to do a sexual dance with my friends. That's
Speaker 3: one of the most I've laughed at anything.
Speaker 4: It makes me laugh.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's an absolute Oh.
Speaker 4: He's at a good decade.
Speaker 1: He's been a very good boy, very Oh God, this
Speaker 1: this person here, who you may you pick? I can't
Speaker 1: take the responsibility.
Speaker 11: Hello, Hello, I might be the only person in the
Speaker 11: world that saw this movie Beasts of the Southern World.
Speaker 1: I fucking love bass. It's one of my favorite last
Speaker 1: lines to a film ever. Yeah, I saw, thought that
Speaker 1: was cheating it. Broke me.
Speaker 11: Thought that was cheating back and saw at the cinema
Speaker 11: a couple of days later.
Speaker 1: Broke me again.
Speaker 11: Then when it came out in DVD, I was broken
Speaker 11: at the soundtrack on the d v D. And now
Speaker 11: they used the soundtrack in like energy commercials.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just it's not fair. I'm so sorry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm capitalism the only one.
Speaker 3: Hey, Breck, can he stop stealing my materials?
Speaker 4: The only having will be having a guard Whitey.
Speaker 1: Right, you should have a double bill Last Black Man
Speaker 1: in San Francisco basis seven. Well, yeah, what a Christmas Day?
Speaker 1: Hi either.
Speaker 12: So it's already been mentioned a lot, but inside out again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the first.
Speaker 12: Film that my daughter went to. My daughter, she was two,
Speaker 12: and we've talked. You've talked about how Disney and Pixar
Speaker 12: trying to do all these like really high concept like
Speaker 12: Coco and everything but I mean, she was so engaged
Speaker 12: from from she was laughing at all the right points.
Speaker 12: You know, she seemed to be totally getting it. And
Speaker 12: then we're at a pat cinema like this and it's
Speaker 12: bing bong again. It's gonna get us, and you know,
Speaker 12: he waves, he waives goodbye, and he fades, and everybody,
Speaker 12: all the adults are trying, you know, trying to keep
Speaker 12: it together. And then my daughter just says bye bye
Speaker 12: being Bob.
Speaker 13: Exactly, and we we all just like me and my friends,
Speaker 13: We're just like blowing our eyes out. It's just so yeah,
Speaker 13: that'll always always have a really special moment.
Speaker 1: Just this little forlorn boy.
Speaker 3: You told that story and he made me and Brett
Speaker 3: recreate the end of Roma.
Speaker 1: Should we do a sing along?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You love a sing along? Well, this is your special note.
Speaker 1: I thought, since it's Christmas and it's the it is
Speaker 1: the great the greatest film of all time is the
Speaker 1: Mappy Christmas Carol. I thought we would need the hat.
Speaker 1: We would we would together perhaps stand up and sing.
Speaker 3: You might feel less awkward if you all stand up.
Speaker 3: I don't feel like I've got no fucking shame. Let's
Speaker 3: all do this and clearly Brett doesn't either, by the
Speaker 3: sounds of his Wiener chat Brett, my massive head is
Speaker 3: too big for this hat. Oh my god, have you
Speaker 3: got a fake beard as well?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, you got a fake beard? It does work?
Speaker 1: It all right. Let's do this, ladies, gentlemen, Merry Christmas.
Speaker 1: Let's sing it. Doesn't it feel like Christmas?
Speaker 4: Kick it?
Speaker 2: That was episode two seven three of Films to Be
Speaker 2: Buried with starring Nish Kumar, recorded live at London's BFI.
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Speaker 2: to Nish for joining the podcast. Thanks to Scrubiu's PIP
Speaker 2: and the Distraction Pieces Network. I did the edits and production.
Speaker 2: Thanks to Yheartmedia and Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network
Speaker 2: for hosting the podcast. Thanks to Adam Richardson for the artwork,
Speaker 2: and to Lisa Laden for the photography. Join us next
Speaker 2: week for more films to be buried with goodness, but
Speaker 2: until then that is it. For now, have a lovely week,
Speaker 2: and please, now more than ever, be excellent to each others.
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