1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Fellow ridiculous historians. First off, our hearts go out to 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: anybody who has to endure a surgical procedure. Even in 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: the modern day, it can be dicey. This one takes 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: us back to the eighteen hundreds with a guy named 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: Robert Liston who was known as the This is a 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: quote fastest knife in the West End. 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: Right back then, even some of the best surgeons around 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: had pretty slim chances of their patients surviving these procedures. 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 2: Around one in ten of these patients dying during or 10 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: shortly after a surgery. And while Listen was no exception, 11 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: he was real zippy with his blade. Yeah, this is 12 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: the true story of a surgery with a three hundred 13 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: percent mortality rate. The surgeon the fastest knife in the 14 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 2: West End turns out to be not the best knife 15 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: in the area because he kills his patient, then he 16 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 2: kills his assistant, and he also kills some guy who 17 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: was just standing around. 18 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 3: Yikes, let's throw the tape. 19 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeart Radio. Ridiculous History 20 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: is a production of iHeart Radio. Hello, thank you for 21 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: tuning in. Today's question, did you ever want to be 22 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: a doctor when you grew up. Are you Are you 23 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: a doctor listening now? If so, what kind I'd especially 24 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: love to hear from some surgeons. 25 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 3: Hi, I'm pad Hi, I'm Noel. 26 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: And when I get blood drawn, I have to look 27 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: away and close my eyes and breathe slowly or else 28 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: I'll pass out because blood and the whole idea of 29 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: the human body weirds me out. 30 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 3: It's the human body overall. 31 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: Well, no, just the stuff inside should stay inside, remaining inside. 32 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 2: I would prefer that to be the case. I don't 33 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: like cutting in movies, never liked it when people get cut. 34 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 2: So this story today was a bit of a stretch 35 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 2: for me in terms of my own personal constitution. 36 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 3: I see, that's what you're talking about this. 37 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've also got our super producer, Casey Pegrim in 38 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,839 Speaker 1: the house. Like, Casey, did you ever think of being 39 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: a doctor when you were a we tyke? 40 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 4: No, that was never one of my kind of growing 41 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 4: up want to be things. 42 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 3: How do you feel about the side of blood. 43 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 4: I'm okay with the side of blood in general. I 44 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 4: don't like the side of my own blood. So I 45 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 4: don't like getting blood taken, you know, all that kind 46 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 4: of stuff. 47 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of Oh you didn't ask me, Neil, 48 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: I think I have a feeling seem like a bit 49 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 2: of a fearless, iron gutted figure to me. 50 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 3: You always have, but no, do tell. 51 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: That's very kind of you. I have a life fraught 52 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: with strange phobias that terrify me, like touching metal or 53 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: having to touch cardboard. 54 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 2: Oh blood is kind of metallic? Does that fall into 55 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 2: that category for you? 56 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 3: Only if I drink it? So usually. 57 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: Having to do survival training kind of stuff, it gets 58 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: you over that initial squig or squig pretty quickly. But 59 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: I don't go out of my way to get in 60 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: situations where I'm looking inside people or something, because if 61 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: I were to do that, then I would probably be 62 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: better suited to be a surgeon rather than a podcaster. 63 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: And today's episode is about surgery. There is some graphic stuff, Noel, 64 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna check in with you to make sure that 65 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: we don't go too far out of a comfort zone. 66 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 3: I will be the bell Weather of woosery in this one. 67 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: No, you're the canary in the cave bite of carnage. 68 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: Yes, the coal mine cave. But yeah no, slight trigger warning. 69 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: If he didn't already catch the drift. 70 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 3: This story's kind of gross. There's some gore, and we're. 71 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 2: Not going to be super descriptive about it because god knows, 72 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: I'll pass out on the floor right here in the 73 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: shipping container. But just a heads up. If this isn't 74 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: the kind of thing that you want to listen to, 75 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 2: then don't. It's fairly blunt. Yes, this is also darkly comic. 76 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: And to begin the story, we're going to need to 77 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: introduce you to a fellow named Robert Liston born on 78 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 2: the twenty eighth of October seventeen ninety four. He is 79 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 2: a Scottish surgeon and he was known for being a 80 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 2: bit of a showman. He's a bit cocky, kind of 81 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: a showboat, kind of a David Blaine stage magician vibe. 82 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: I don't know if that's something you want in a surgeon. 83 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 2: If a surgeon was a peacock, it would be this guy, yes, 84 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 2: who's bantam. Indeed, and as you know, I'm scared of 85 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,799 Speaker 2: birds too. Yes, so this is a bird surgeon. 86 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 3: A peacock surgeon is like my worst nightmare. 87 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: You're welcome for the nightmare that you're going to have 88 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:15,679 Speaker 1: this weekend. 89 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 3: Thank you. 90 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: Oh so, Robert Liston, though, was one of the best, 91 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: most widely known surgeons of his time. He got his 92 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: education at the University of Edinburgh and became the first 93 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: Great Northern anatomist of Blackwell's magazine, and by eighteen eighteen 94 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: he was a surgeon at the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh. 95 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: And his legacy contains stuff that is primarily found in 96 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: the medical community, you know, like inside trade info, and 97 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: then stuff that made it into popular culture. Liston was 98 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: very very well known for the speed at which he 99 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: conducted surgery. 100 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 2: He earned a fantastic nickname which was the fastest knife 101 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 2: in the West End, which is clever on a couple 102 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: of levels. It is. In fact, there's a little story 103 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: that's in a Mental Floss article called on the Table 104 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 2: with one of History's most infamous surgeons by a guy 105 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: named Matt Soniac that describes a particular surgery where Listen 106 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 2: actually asked one of his assistants to set a timer 107 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: so that he could show off how quickly he could 108 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: amputate a gentleman's leg. And I'm just gonna read your 109 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 2: quote because it's very visual and I love it. He goes, 110 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: the man grabs your leg and begins to cut just 111 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 2: below the knee. He continues to hold onto your leg 112 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: as one of his lackeys gets a tourniquet around it 113 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: to freeze cutting hand. He clasps the knife covered in 114 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 2: your blood in his teeth and picks up a saw. 115 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: He cuts back and forth through the bone, drops the 116 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: severed part of the leg into a bucket filled with sawdust, 117 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: and shows you up to the applause of the men 118 00:06:58,600 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: sitting in the wings. 119 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 3: They've time. 120 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: Did the whole bloody procedure, get it from first incision 121 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: to clipping the loose threads on the sutures at just 122 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: two and a half minutes. And that quote comes from 123 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: the journalist Matt Soniac who has this fantastic article about listen. 124 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: So in two and a half minutes he has performed 125 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: an amputation. His style may have seemed really cavalier, but 126 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: we have to remember this is before so many of 127 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: the medical discoveries and technical improvements that we have today. 128 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm guessing they may have given they have ether 129 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: back then. That would have been something they at least 130 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: had at their disposal. 131 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: Right ry imagine, But this is the age before widespread anesthesias. 132 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: That's true. So maybe I don't know. 133 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: I don't want to sound like an ignorant person here 134 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: when it come to sergiy, Like I said, it kind 135 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: of freaks me out. 136 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 3: It's me look into it too heavily. 137 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: But one thing I know from this research is quite 138 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: often no one was given anything, and there was a 139 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 2: whole lot of just absolute screaming and horror and terror 140 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 2: fight down on this on this while assistants literally had 141 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: to hold the person down while the surgeon. 142 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 3: So speed was kind of the name of the game. Yes, 143 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 3: and no one was faster than Listen. 144 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: There is even a story I read in the Gizmoto 145 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: article or on an Ion nine article that talked about 146 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: how sometimes people would flee the operating table like just 147 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 2: like lunging away with a snail trail of blood left 148 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: behind them. Yeah, because the other people lost their grip 149 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: the assistance. So yes, speed is key here. 150 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: It not only minimizes the patient's pain, but it also 151 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: improves their odds of surviving the surgery. Liston is not 152 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: only very very fast, he's also very very good for 153 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: the time. If you went into Liston's operating theater, you 154 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: only had a one to ten chance of dying which 155 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: right down sounds terrible. 156 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: It does sound pretty terrible, but let's compare the competition. 157 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 2: That rate of death was hovering around one and four. 158 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you can see why you would want to 159 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: go to listen, right, Sometimes patients would camp out, would 160 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: literally sleep inside his waiting room for days waiting to 161 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: see him. Hey, can you imagine the scene be can 162 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: you imagine this smell? 163 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 3: Right? 164 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: He tried to see every single one of his patients. 165 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: Although he was a little bit cocky, you know, he 166 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: had a good heart when it came to helping people. 167 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 2: Which is another reason that speed factored into it so importantly, 168 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 2: because you can't see people if you're you know, taking 169 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: your time with that old saw. 170 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 171 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: We have to remember in this era, hospitals were very scary, 172 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: intimidating places. People walked in having made peace with their 173 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: creator thinking well, this might be this might be it 174 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: for me. I think it's just a cough, but we'll 175 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: see and listen understood that he thought he had a 176 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: responsibility for his patient feelings, so he wanted to have 177 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: a thorough knowledge of anatomy, pathology, all that slow jazz, 178 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: all the good stuff, and also be a good diagnoser 179 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: of symptoms, but he also wanted to be compassionate. So 180 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: it's very easy for us looking back to forget that 181 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: softer aspect of his persona. He did care about people. 182 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: He was crazy good, but he did care about people. 183 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: And it's kind of like Tony Stark in the Marvel 184 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: comics or the MCU, because you know, he's kind of arrogant, 185 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: he's a bit of a show off, but he's got 186 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: a heart of gold underneath that. Here's one example that's 187 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: very Tony Stark of him. Liston loved treating cases that 188 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: his fellow surgeons had dismissed. The surgeons say, well, there's 189 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: no way I'm going to do that because you'll die. 190 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: It's an incurable condition. Good day, sir, I said to you. 191 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 3: Good day. They would go to listen and you would say, oh, 192 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 3: they say they can't, it can't be done. They say 193 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 3: it can't be done. I will prove them wrong. Start 194 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 3: the tiebook exactly. Yeah. 195 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 2: So, I mean, it's it's interesting combination of compassion and 196 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 2: cocksure bravado for sure, and what ends up happening that 197 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 2: enters into the big part, the quite disturbing part of 198 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,599 Speaker 2: our story is that very thing it's a combination of 199 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 2: all those factors kind of playing into a perfect storm. 200 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 3: Of horrible outcome. That's right. 201 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: Though he was good, he was not perfect, and sometimes, 202 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: like Icarus, his hubris was his downfall. Once, for example, 203 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: Liston was in such a hurry to amputate a leg 204 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: that he accidentally cut a patient's testicles off along with 205 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: the leg. 206 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, like Icharis, he saw too close to the taint. 207 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: Yes, his most famous story along these lines happens this way. 208 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: There's an operation, it's a Mills's operation, right, and he's 209 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: moving so so very fast that he takes off the 210 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: fingers of his surgical assistant. He's cutting through a leg, 211 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: and he cuts through his assistant's hands while they're holding 212 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: the patient down. 213 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 3: That's right. 214 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: And again we have to remember this patient would have 215 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 2: been struggling. It was no small feet to you know, 216 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: restrain these folks. And I'm sure there were some restraints 217 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 2: involved too, like having them strapped down, But you can't 218 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 2: have somebody flopping around like a fish when you're trying 219 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 2: to saw through their leg. So not only did he 220 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: missque and slice the fingers, I think part of this 221 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 2: had to do with he would it aimed too high, 222 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 2: and he saw it through up the upper hip or 223 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: near the hip area, which is probably where the assistant 224 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 2: was gripping him to get you know, purchased to keep 225 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 2: him held down exactly. 226 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: And the he already knows this stuff is happening quickly. 227 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: This is not ideal, so he's not going to stop 228 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: the surgery though. The show must go on. So he 229 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: switches instruments, you know, one thing into that to the 230 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: floor to a bucket, US on us or what have you. 231 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: And then while he's switching instruments. You can't see it here, folks, 232 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: but I am doing a pretty fantastic arms flailing impression here. 233 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 3: He's switching instruments. 234 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 1: I'm still trying to figure out how this happens Stol, 235 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: because he must have been just throwing his arms wide. 236 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: There's a spectator standing nearby, just watching the surgery because 237 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: that's what people used to do, and he slashes the 238 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: spectator's coat with this bloody instrument, and this guy, the 239 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: guy's just the onlooker, freaks out. 240 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 241 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 2: First of all, I'm not trying to, you know, throw 242 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: him under the bus here, but that spectator was probably 243 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 2: a little too much of a hovery look he lit, 244 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 2: he probably should have been keeping his distance a little 245 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 2: bit in the situation, so I'm gonna argue that he 246 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 2: sort of had that coming a little bit. But yeah, 247 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 2: he also like clearly was squeamish about the blood because 248 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 2: by this point, fingers are off on assistant squirting blood 249 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 2: out of like bloody nub stumps. Then the leg is off, 250 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 2: blood squirting out of there. Absolute pandemonium in the operating theater, 251 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 2: and the spectator, uh, you know, almost gets you know, 252 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 2: when I first read this, I saw sliced and coat 253 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 2: and I misread a sliced throat. Yeah, but no, he again, 254 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: this is like the stuff of legend. Almost hard to 255 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: confirm what exactly happened to this guy, but we've seen 256 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 2: it written in several places that he had an immediate 257 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 2: massive heart attack and died. 258 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, he died later that night of fright. 259 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: And the patient died because they got gangreen in the hospital. 260 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: The assistant died because they ate gang green in the hospital. 261 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 2: I think that it all kind of spread from that 262 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: original saw too, that may have been tainted and it 263 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 2: wasn't properly sterilized, which cats like you said, you're they're 264 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: throwing stuff into buckets. 265 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 3: They're covered in blood. 266 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: It seems more like a butcher shop than a proper 267 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 2: you know, operating room. And yeah, that infection got into 268 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 2: the assistant's blood as well, and he also died from 269 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: the effects. 270 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: And this is what led the distinguished surgeon and anesthesiologist 271 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: Richard Gordon to call this the only operation in history 272 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: with a three hundred percent mortality rate. 273 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 2: He is also the guy who coined the nickname the 274 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 2: fastest knife in the West End for Liston, So let's 275 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: not forget legacy wise, Liston was remembered you know, in 276 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: his community, in the medical community, which is a very 277 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: niche kind of close knit community with a lot of 278 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 2: esoteric knowledge that wouldn't mean much to anybody else. They 279 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: remembered him for a lot of important, you know deeds 280 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 2: and works to further. 281 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 3: The medical profession. 282 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 2: But of course, you know, most regular old folks are 283 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 2: going to remember much more the story where he accidentally 284 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 2: killed three people, yeah, by slicing through them with a 285 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: you know, infected blade. 286 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: Well, he created the listed splint bulldog locking forceps. Those 287 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: are around today, and he also did play a role 288 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: in the administration of ether, so he made proper contributions. 289 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: But you know, if it bleeds, it leads, and so 290 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: now Liston is known outside of the medical community as 291 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: the surgeon with a three hundred percent mortality rate. Again, 292 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: that story is somewhat anecdotal, but it is illustrative, I 293 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: would argue of the problems with medical care and surgery 294 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: at the time. I mean, this is still before people 295 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: washed their hands when conducting surgery. 296 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 3: It's true. 297 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 2: He also published a couple of important medical texts, The 298 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 2: Elements of Surgery and Practical Surgery, and this is pretty interesting. 299 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: Near the end of his career, he made history when 300 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 2: he performed a surgery in Britain on a man named 301 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 2: Frederick Churchill in eighteen forty six who had a right 302 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: knee that had been giving him a lot of pain. 303 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 2: So nothing had worked for him, and the only option 304 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 2: was going to be amputation. But instead Listen didn't use 305 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 2: a knife. He actually pulled out a jar of ether, 306 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: as you said, and then that became something that dentists 307 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 2: and surgeons used as a surgical anesthetic from that point. 308 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: On, right, And these are the days when people were 309 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: still saying maybe we should hypnotize patients. But he found 310 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 1: that ether worked as well, I don't want to let 311 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: this go. The importance of people washing their hands just 312 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: in general. There was a guy, a Hungarian doctor named 313 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: Ignaz Semmelweis, and he was the person who could have 314 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: saved so many lives, especially during childbirth and so on, 315 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: by the simple technique of washing one's hands. 316 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe he introduced that in eighteen forty seven 317 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 2: at the Algemin's crunken house. 318 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 3: In far Deutsche Line. 319 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: But doctors were upset and they didn't listen to him. 320 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: They said, this simulvis guy is making us look bad 321 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: because he's implying that we're giving these women and children fevers. 322 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: He also wasn't very tactful. He was kind of a 323 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: Larry David or Bernie Sanders figure, you know what I mean, 324 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: a bit of a curmudgeon. Anyway, Samuelweis eventually ends up 325 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: in a mental health facility, in an asylum. So wash 326 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: your hands is the conclusion of this. And hey, sometimes 327 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: speed isn't everything. 328 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, come on, guys, slow down, smell the roses. 329 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: Speaking of the most vague summations I could make, I'm 330 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: going real fortune cookie caption here. Something interesting will happen 331 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: this week? Oh oh, wow. 332 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 2: Okay, that one was making great. 333 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 5: Die gentlemen. 334 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland's aka quister is this may this may come 335 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: as a surprise this some people. But you're you're back again. 336 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: You're back at your old uh, your old shenanigans and tricks. 337 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 3: Huh. 338 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 5: You just can't keep me out. You keep changing the locks. 339 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 5: I keep breaking in. 340 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 3: Well, as we know, I missed you guys. Oh hey, 341 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 3: that was vacation. It was really good. 342 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 5: Thank you for asking my ug misses. No, it was fantastic. 343 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 5: I highly recommend London in Paris. It was wonderful that. 344 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 3: You went to the UK. 345 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 5: I was there, Yes, yes, I was there doing some 346 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 5: interesting protests. 347 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 3: We'll just leave it there. 348 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: Well, now I want to know is it like about Brexit? 349 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 5: Okay, okay, let me tell you something. If you want 350 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 5: to take the chunnel from London to Paris, don't do 351 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 5: it when a dude has climbed up on top of 352 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 5: the train station because you ain't going nowhere. 353 00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 3: Oh wow, were you the dude? No? 354 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 5: No, I was in line, a very long line to 355 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 5: get on a train that was almost certainly not going 356 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 5: to leave. 357 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: Well, thank you for narrowly escaping disasterboard the channel to 358 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: come with us and play one of our most divisive games. 359 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 5: Yes, the most cringe worthy segment in all the podcasting. 360 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: Is which was again, I feel like we have to 361 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: straighten out the historical record here. 362 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 3: Which was your idea? 363 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 5: Yes it was I one day on a whim, suggested 364 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 5: that I present you with different scenarios and you have 365 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 5: to determine whether or not the scenario I'm presenting to 366 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 5: you is in fact a real one or if I 367 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 5: made it up seas. And so the way this works 368 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 5: is I will present the scenario and then the two 369 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 5: gentlemen will have three minutes to deliberate on whether or 370 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 5: not I'm telling the truth or I'm lying, and they 371 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 5: may ask questions of me if they follow an arbitrary 372 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 5: rule of my choosing, which I realized I did not 373 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 5: think of before I came in here. So in honor 374 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 5: of the topic, for you to be able to ask 375 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 5: a question, you must preface it with the phrase, doctor, doctor, 376 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 5: give me the news. 377 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 3: I got a bad case of cutting you. 378 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 5: Just the first part, just to give me the followed 379 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 5: by your question. And now I will read out the scenario. 380 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 5: When I am done, we will start the timer. So 381 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 5: get the Big Grandfather. 382 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 3: Clock ready, hmmm, I'm limbering up. 383 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 5: Doctor Hasty Lanyon was a bit of an eccentric surgeon. 384 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 5: He was nearly equal parts performer and doctor, and had 385 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 5: a flare for the macabre. He had studied, though probably 386 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 5: never directly, the work of Luigi Galvani, for whom the 387 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 5: Galvanic Response is named. Lanyon took to extremes, and in 388 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 5: northern England in the early eighteen hundreds demonstrated some rather 389 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 5: ghoulish applications of the technology upon cadavers that I am 390 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:01,719 Speaker 5: assured were totally acquired legally. While there were no truly 391 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 5: reliable reports from those demonstrations, some reporters of questionable honesty 392 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 5: wrote of corpses pointing grimacing, twitching, and in one case 393 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 5: even sitting up and gasping in response to the electrical 394 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 5: impulses doctor Lanyon applied. Modern historians and doctors doubt the 395 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 5: veracity of those claims, but it seems that Hasty Lanyon 396 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,959 Speaker 5: was at least well known for some pretty primitive corpse puppetry. 397 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: Start the timer, doctor, doctor, give me the news, yes, 398 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: mister Bilin. So this guy Hasty, m hmm. This guy 399 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: Hasty was primarily known for this, or it. 400 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 5: Was how he became famous. Otherwise, he was a doctor 401 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 5: studied at the University of Edinburgh in the School of Medicine. 402 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 5: But apart from these are really the only records of 403 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 5: he doesn't have like a long storied career that exists 404 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 5: in any record, but there are records of these supposed demonstrations. 405 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 2: Hasty huh sounds made up to me. Sounds like hasty, 406 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 2: like he was a little too hasty. 407 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: Perhaps, Yeah, I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't 408 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: know why I feel optimistic about this, but I'm going 409 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: with true. 410 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 3: Wait what yeah, Oh, that's not. 411 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 2: What I was getting at at all then, But you 412 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 2: know what, let's beate, let's debate that was that was 413 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 2: really only going on because the name is super sketchy, right, 414 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 2: sketchy sounding, I feel like that it's true. 415 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 3: Maybe you could ask maybe doctor doctor, give me the news. 416 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 5: Yes, what did he do again? So he stuck electrodes 417 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 5: onto cadavers and zapped them and made them twitch around 418 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 5: a lot. He to give you a little more detail, 419 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 5: just because I said early eighteen hundreds. The time period 420 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 5: we're looking at is eighteen o eight, so that's about 421 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 5: three decades after Galvani, and also supposedly was one of 422 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 5: the inspirations for Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. Oh that that, Yes, 423 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 5: surely that, which is probably in eighteen eighteen. 424 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: I feel like there's too much detail here. Now I'm 425 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: starting to doubt it. I'm gonna stick I'm gonna stick 426 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: with true. 427 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 3: You're gonna stick with true. I'm gonna stick with true. 428 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 3: You're starting to doubt it. You're going to stick with true? 429 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 3: Yat of contradictions? Well you you were a man of 430 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 3: mind games. 431 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: You file quister, this creature. I'm out of practice with 432 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: the quister. 433 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 2: That's true. He's been relaxing in the on the sam 434 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: It's true. 435 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 3: I did. I took a cruise. 436 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 5: It was nice? 437 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 3: Was it nice? 438 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 5: It was not a nice It was in Paris, thank you. 439 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:31,719 Speaker 3: I did. 440 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 5: In fact, there was a petisserie right across the street 441 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 5: from the apartment. 442 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 3: Guy, guy, guys, we have forty seconds. All right, what 443 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 3: did you say? You're gonna stick with true? I'm gonna 444 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 3: lock I'm gonna you want to lock it in? 445 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: It's locking true three to one true. 446 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 5: You guys gotta read more. Doctor Hasty Lanyon is a 447 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 5: character and doctor Jekyl and mister Hyde. I made it 448 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 5: up seas interestingly though interestingly though, I should say, first 449 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 5: of all, the inspiration suppose or Mary Shelley's Frankenstein was 450 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 5: doctor Joseph Conrad Dipple, who was active in the seventeenth 451 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 5: century and was born in Bubba Bam Castle Frankenstein, and 452 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 5: then Giovanni Giovanni al Dippy, who was the nephew to 453 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 5: Luigi Galvani, actually did do demonstrations similar to what I described, 454 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 5: where supposedly corpses had opened up their eyes, pointed, punched 455 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 5: the air, kicked the air. But again, these were just 456 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 5: supposedly people would pass out looking at these demonstrations. I 457 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 5: don't know exactly how reliable those are either, But what 458 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,959 Speaker 5: I gave you was total fiction. 459 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I began to suspect when you had 460 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: too many already made details. Yep, that you were dare 461 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: I say hasty to provide? 462 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 5: Well, I wanted to give you a chance. You've lost 463 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 5: the last few, and I thought, well, if I just 464 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 5: keep feeding them, they're surely they're going in. But nope, Nope, 465 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 5: you just had to go down. 466 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 3: That road with me. No, it turns out we're hungry boys. 467 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 5: Well, and to be fair, it is similar to things 468 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 5: that have been reported. I was mostly I was mostly 469 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 5: hoping that you had read Doctor Jekyll and Mister Hyde. 470 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 5: I was really I was like, this is a coin flip. 471 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 5: It may be that that had been turned to me. 472 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 5: And so you mean like the character and Doctor Jekyll 473 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 5: and Mister. 474 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: Hide, and I would say, whoopsies, it's been a long time. 475 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: But you know what, that gives us a new goal. 476 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: Maybe one day we can ask a question that just 477 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: completely blows up the scenario you've presented. If we did that, 478 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: would you ever be a situation you say? 479 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 3: Whoops? 480 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 1: No, No, I know you too well, my old friend, 481 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: you would you would continue with with the charag Here's. 482 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 5: Here's the problem is that if you ask me a 483 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 5: legitimate question about a legitimate historical fact and I don't 484 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 5: know the answer, I would be honored bound to say 485 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 5: I don't know the answer to that question. And that 486 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 5: means that I should probably do the same thing for 487 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 5: the fake ones, because otherwise, if you ask me a 488 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 5: question and I don't know the answer to that question, 489 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 5: and I tell you that, you're going to say, well, 490 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 5: this is obviously one of the true ones we win. 491 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: I was so close when you started giving out the details. 492 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 3: Well, that one's on me. Can't win them all, no, 493 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 3: but we can't win. Nice to win one. Actually, you 494 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 3: know you were. 495 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 5: You were almost even with me. 496 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 3: For a while. Part of the fun of this, though, 497 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 3: is eating crow from time to time. You know, very 498 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 3: Tom and Jerry to me. You know I like it. 499 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: So despite winning today's round, Jonathan Strickland aka the Quister, 500 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: thank you so much for dropping by. We're glad that 501 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: you made it out of the chunnel. Sure did you say, Durian, 502 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: what's that mean? 503 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 5: It's nothing. Usually what you say if someone says thank you, 504 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 5: the common response is it's nothing, no big deal. 505 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, like not a problem, no problem, no sweat, zero perspiration. 506 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on the show. Thanks as always 507 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: to our super producer Casey. 508 00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 2: Pegram, Thanks to Gabe Lucier are fantabulous research, and thanks 509 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 2: to Alex Williams who composed our theme. 510 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: So what are some of the strange saw bone esque 511 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: stories of medical quackery or medical mishaps that you have heard? 512 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: What are your favorite ones? Share them with us and 513 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: your fellow listeners. Also shout out to the podcast saw Bones. 514 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 2: That's a great show, yeah, on the Maximum Fun Network, 515 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 2: which we're huge fans of. 516 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 5: Justin McElroy as. That recalls one of the hosts of 517 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 5: that show. 518 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 3: I do believe you recall correctly. 519 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 2: You can write us at Ridiculous at HowStuffWorks dot Com. 520 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 2: We're gonna stick with that one for the meantime. We 521 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 2: may have another one inching in pretty soon, but for 522 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 2: the time being, he's that one. You can also hit 523 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 2: us up on our Facebook group, the Ridiculous Historians, where 524 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 2: you know folks are posting memes, the Jonathan Strickland liquist 525 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 2: or even creeps his way in there from time to time. 526 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 3: That is true. 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