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Speaker 1: they were getting a second day trade doesn't know the

429
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Speaker 1: sport and doesn't understand the economics of it. Like I

430
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 1: have no problem with the Bears trading him for at

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Speaker 1: six round pick because that was his value and now

432
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Speaker 1: they have the opportunity to get a guy that listen.

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Speaker 1: I don't know a lot of different opinions. Some people

434
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Speaker 1: think this guy's overrated. Some people think this guy is

435
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Speaker 1: gonna be a star. I would be shocked if he's

436
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Speaker 1: not a solid player. Obviously he can get the hero

437
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: ball syndrome. But one thing he mentioned the coward on

438
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Speaker 1: the interview when he was on the Herd. He thinks

439
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Speaker 1: the last couple of years helped him go through some adversity.

440
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 1: One he didn't start as a true freshman Spencer Rattler did.

441
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: He ended up getting benched and Caleb took over, and

442
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: then this year. Usually when you're at you know, a

443
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Speaker 1: top program, you're gonna win a lot. Think about some

444
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Speaker 1: of some of Lincoln's other guys, Baker Mayfield, Jalen Hurts, Kyler, Murray,

445
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 1: like they didn't lose many games. Mayfield's last game in

446
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: College was in the Rose Bowl in the playoffs against Georgia.

447
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 1: Caleb went seven to five this year, and it wasn't

448
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: his fault. The defense was a fucking joke. His offensive

449
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: line was not good. I like a guy going through

450
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Speaker 1: little adversity. You know guys that went through some adversity

451
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Speaker 1: as college prospects. Patrick Mahomes, his team sucked. Josh Allen

452
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: played at Wyoming. You who went through no adversity in college?

453
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: Mac Jones beat the shit out of everybody, even Joe Burrow.

454
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Speaker 1: His final year it was pretty awesome and they housed

455
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 1: most teams. But he had a transfer two years before that. Why,

456
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer thought he sucked, And then when he first

457
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: got to LSU, he wasn't that good. Even look back

458
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Speaker 1: at Baker Mayfield had to walk on at Tech and

459
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Speaker 1: then again at Oklahoma. So, guys that the NFL is hard.

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Speaker 1: Any profession that is very competitive is difficult. And when

461
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: you're young, like you don't handle your emotions as well.

462
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 1: So when you have been through stuff, it's easier to

463
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: react to craziness coming at you. Why, because craziness is

464
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: gonna happen. It is inevitable. I say it all the time.

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Speaker 1: The best thing that's ever happened to me was getting

466
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Speaker 1: fired twice. Looking back, I would have paid to be

467
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Speaker 1: fired because of what it does for your mental growth,

468
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: what it does for your life. It forces you to

469
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Speaker 1: like fight, and sometimes depending on how you grow up

470
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Speaker 1: or you know, if you're an athlete, the teams you

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Speaker 1: play for, sometimes you don't have to fight as much.

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Speaker 1: Not that you don't have to work hard in practice,

473
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Speaker 1: not that you know it's not it's hard playing these games.

474
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Speaker 1: But if you're always winning, get ready for the NFL,

475
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose. The Bears could have an awesome season

476
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Speaker 1: and they could lose eight. Caleb's used to that he

477
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 1: just want seven and five, and honestly, they were a

478
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Speaker 1: couple incredible Caleb plays away from if they don't go

479
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,959
Speaker 1: right from being five and seven. So when he said that,

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes people say that it's like you've lost

481
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: one game in three years. Like Trevor Lawrence didn't have

482
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: that much adversity in college. His first real football adversity

483
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: was in the pros the Urban Meyer situation this year,

484
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Speaker 1: dealing with injuries.

485
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: It's hard.

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Speaker 1: Well, you got a guy like Caleb Williams who's kind

487
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: of been through a couple of things. Not crazy, not

488
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Speaker 1: like seven and five's the end of the world, But

489
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Speaker 1: that's Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes was struggling to win seven

490
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 1: eight games in college because he was a disadvantage. Now,

491
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: historically USC has not been at a disadvantage, but this

492
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: team with that defense was so Marvin Harrison no issue.

493
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Speaker 1: But I'm also not expecting him to be the top

494
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Speaker 1: wide receiver and I'm definitely not gonna be shocked when

495
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Speaker 1: that doesn't happen. And props to Caleb Williams for lifting

496
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Speaker 1: up his teammates in an era where because of nil,

497
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: it'd be easy to become pretty selfish. Right. He obviously

498
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,719
Speaker 1: is probably the highest paid player last year in all

499
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Speaker 1: of college. And you know, you're driving a range Rover

500
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: at eighteen, you're living in a penthouse suite in LA

501
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: you got all the girls, you got unlimited money, You're

502
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Speaker 1: making millions of dollars. And I thought today he put

503
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Speaker 1: his teammates for the combine like it's truly more about

504
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: you today, more about his wide receivers that he helped

505
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: make look good by throwing and gets more eyeballs on them.

506
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: The NCAA Tournament is about to start, and I probably,

507
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Speaker 1: like a lot of you, unless you're a big college

508
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: basketball fan, have probably lost watched less than five college

509
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Speaker 1: basketball games this season. I watched, I think a Duke

510
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: Arizona game early in the season. I've watched a couple

511
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: of Saint mary Is Gonzaga games, but I probably this

512
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: calendar year have never watched less college basketball yet. Over

513
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: the next three weeks and definitely over the next four days,

514
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: I will have on multiple TVs. With all the games,

515
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: I will be glued. And hell, I don't even know

516
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna gamble that much because I don't even

517
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: know what I'm gambling on now. I might gamble a

518
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Speaker 1: little bit because I you know, I got a little issue,

519
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna be glued. And the reason a lot

520
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: of people are gonna be glued is because there's urgency.

521
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: Because all the games, all the dribbles, all the baskets,

522
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: everything matters. If you lose, you're done the game winning shots.

523
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Speaker 1: You become a legend. And I've said this forever, like

524
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Speaker 1: I don't really watch the NBA anymore during the regular

525
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: season because I don't think any of it matters. I

526
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Speaker 1: still love baseball, but I follow baseball much more like

527
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,479
Speaker 1: the standings on ESPN dot Com and Instagram and Twitter

528
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: than I do sitting down and watching baseball games every night.

529
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Speaker 1: I don't work in Lake local radio. I'm not doing

530
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: that anymore. I have a life and the one thing

531
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: football has obviously I do this for a living. So

532
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,959
Speaker 1: I'm watching Thursday night game, all the Sunday games, Sunday

533
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: night and Monday night, and I can't miss them. So

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Speaker 1: I don't even do things on Thursday and Monday nights.

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Speaker 1: That definitely Monday night. Not people are going out but Thursday, Like,

536
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: I ain't going dinner or anything at my house, but

537
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Speaker 1: there are a lot of people because in the sport

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Speaker 1: of football, even though you can lose games and still

539
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, every game feels big. Every moment in

540
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: the sport feels important. And in twenty twenty four, and

541
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: I say this all the time, that has never mattered more.

542
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: When baseball was in its heyday in the seventies eighties,

543
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: society was a lot different. We didn't have as many options.

544
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Speaker 1: When my dad was growing up in like the fifties

545
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: and the sixties for entertainment, he had had to read

546
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: I Hate myself that I don't read enough, but I've

547
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: never been more curious. I never feel like I've never

548
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: felt more driven to learn, and now I learned through podcasts,

549
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: book on tapes, and YouTube. We just got this rumba

550
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: for the house. It's incredible. The thing does this thing

551
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: where I'm sure from anyone listening that has one, it

552
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: has like a mind of its own. It maps your

553
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: entire house. Twenty years ago, you had to vacuum, you

554
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: had to have the vacuum in your house. Now I

555
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: press a button on my phone and I can click

556
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: the individual rooms I wanted to go. And if I

557
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: want that thing to mop, I just pour some water

558
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: and press the mop function. Our time has never been

559
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: more split in different areas, and our options have never

560
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: been greater. And I think the downfall of the NBA

561
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: would which is just getting destroyed with television ratings. Is

562
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: the basketball a little worse? I personally think so, But

563
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like it matters. The playoffs matter, the

564
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: big games in May and June. Who's going to be

565
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: a champion, who's gonna win the conference matter? Same thing

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Speaker 1: with baseball. October baseball is thrilling, but a game in

567
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: the middle of June against two teams that are five hundred.

568
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: You do not have to watch. Yet in football it

569
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: feels like you always have to watch, and I listen.

570
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: The sport is the sport. You can't play seven days

571
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: a week. You can only play once a week. And

572
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: even now they've kind of, you know, I would say,

573
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: amplified that and tried to push the envelope by having

574
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: the Thursday night camp, which economically has benefited everyone in

575
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: the league, starting with the players. But I think urgency

576
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: in any entertainment product when it comes to these sports

577
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: is such a big valuable driver of our interest. I'm

578
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: not a big fight guy right when it comes to UFC,

579
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: though I respect it a lot. I do understand when

580
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: there's something big on television, I gotta watch. Like I

581
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: when I was in college, Oscar de la Hooya flat

582
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: fought Floyd Mayweather. Fight sucked, but you couldn't miss it.

583
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: And for a long time boxing was king because when

584
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson was gonna fight someone, you had to watch.

585
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: It's why when Jake Paul and Mike Tyson fight on Netflix.

586
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: I heard Chris Mannick say this, he thinks it's gonna

587
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: be the most watch fight in the history of sports,

588
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: and it might not even be close. Now it's not

589
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: pay per view, it's just on Netflix, where I don't

590
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: even know how many you know, worldwide subscribers, they have

591
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: hundreds of millions. But it's gonna feel important, just like

592
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: the next time if Connor McGregor ever comes back to

593
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: the Octagon, it'll set records because you're like, I can't

594
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: miss this listen. I love golf, but the vust part

595
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: of this weekend doesn't really matter. It honestly, is kind

596
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: of irrelevant to the grand scheme of things now. It

597
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: matters for individuals to make money. Who you know, if

598
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: a first time Winter wins, it changes the course of

599
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: his career. But in the grand scheme of things doesn't

600
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: mean shit, really doesn't. You could argue in that sport

601
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: the only things that matter now are four weeks a year.

602
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 1: They've always been important, but now with liv the four

603
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: majors are all that matter. In football, even with college

604
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: football going to the the twelve team playoff, right, people

605
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 1: are like, oh, it's gonna lessen the regular season. Bullshit.

606
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: It's not the way football works. The pageantry, the crowds,

607
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: and when you're watching the effort, you get from people.

608
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing. Like, listen, baseball, you can

609
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: try and if you strike out four times, it doesn't

610
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: look like you're trying right. In basketball, clearly some guys

611
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: back to backs, not even playing dogging it whatever, it's

612
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: part of the deal. In football, half ass of a

613
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: play over the middle. See how that goes, right, It's

614
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 1: not really the way it works. So I can't wait

615
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 1: for the NCAA tournament. And I couldn't name five college

616
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: basketball players. Could not do it. And now with all

617
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Speaker 1: these coaches like coach K's gone, Beaheim's gone, like I

618
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: don't even think I could name five college basketball coaches.

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Speaker 1: And I'm a sports junkie dedicated to my life to

620
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: watching sports on television, and it won't matter. Okay, let's

621
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Speaker 1: get to the middle. Cough mail bag, easy to get

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Speaker 1: involved at John Middlecoff at John Middlecoff Instagram, Fire in

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Speaker 1: those dms. Let's start with Ron I listen, do it

624
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Speaker 1: every day. Upload frequency is amazing. Ye, We'll pump it

625
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: out a lot of content. I'm a full time podcast me.

626
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Speaker 1: What else I gotta do? I'm a cowboy fan. My

627
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: question is about the NFC South. I live in Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Why is everybody so sure that the NFC South is

629
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: going to be weak? If we're being objective, the South

630
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: went further into the playoffs than the East Eagles first round,

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Speaker 1: Cowboys first round exits, Bucks win the second round. The

632
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: Bucks obliterated the Eagles. Cowboys didn't show up. He obviously,

633
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: the Falcons were a seven win team with a quarterback

634
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: that throws to the other team and fumbles through the

635
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: end zone. Now with Kirk, I think they improve a

636
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: couple of games. I get the Panthers doom talk, but

637
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: I don't think the division is that bad. I would agree.

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00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't view like the top three teams

639
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: could all win nine ten games. Right if Cousins and

640
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Speaker 1: Rahie Morris, they Mesh could be a ten win team.

641
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: The Bucks if Baker is more comfortable. They have a

642
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: new offensive coordinator. But I think they're going to run

643
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: the same offense. Jason Light kind of alluded to that

644
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: at the combine. They got all the guys back nine

645
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: ten wins right in. The Saints were right there new

646
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator Kubiak. Ten wins. If you're ten and seven

647
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: and playing good football in December, like you can make

648
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: a run in the playoffs. To me, that's I'm with you.

649
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: The division. I think we just questioned the upside of

650
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: all the teams, but there is no disputing the talent

651
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: on those three rosters. I mean, the Bucks have high

652
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: end like Hall of Fame talent, the Falcons have a

653
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: lot of young, explosive players and good on defense. And

654
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: the Saints are just have been solid for a while.

655
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: Just Derek needs to be more consistent. But I'm with you,

656
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: it's not It's not doom and gloom Beside the Panthers

657
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: non football question. Since you live in Arizona, where do

658
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: you go during the summertime to get away from the heat.

659
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: I can't imagine many one pm times in July. Well,

660
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: actually the summer if you don't mind the heat, I

661
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: go out to TPC Scottsdale at one or two o'clock

662
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: and play twenty seven holes in two and a half hours,

663
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: so it weeds out the week. Now, last year was

664
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: really hot, and uh you got to get a second home,

665
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 1: and right now I don't have one, so I'm just

666
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: stuck in my house. Uh so I don't really quote

667
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: unquote have somewhere to go. I guess we go on

668
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: vacation or or Tahoe. But you know we work, got

669
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: to pay the bills, expensive lifestyle. Gotta keep podcasting so

670
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: I can get a second home. Fucking Idaho quarter a

671
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: lane flag staff. I don't know that's why we aspire,

672
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: why we why we keep swinging our pick. But as

673
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 1: of right now, summertime, you'll find me in the heat. Baby, Okay,

674
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: long windy question, Try to fire through this. What is

675
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: your perspective on why you think there's a lack of

676
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: any sort of patience to allow quarterbacks to develop? Two

677
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: examples for you with different situations. Bryce number one pick.

678
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 1: Obviously there are expectations in fairness, he did not play

679
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 1: like how I imagine a number one pick is expected

680
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: to perform. But guess who didn't neither his rookie year,

681
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, who still has the interception record for a rookie.

682
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: And I'd say he turned out all right. Don't get

683
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: me wrong. I understand the physical limitations of Bryce compared

684
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: to Peyton, not saying he is gonna be Peyton, but

685
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: also Bryce played an absolute dumpster fire last year, very

686
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: limited weapons, bat online, no run game, which makes throwing

687
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: infinitely harder. Why is there so little time being afforded

688
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: to him to grow and improve as a player, versus

689
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: the narrative that being put out kind of by you

690
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 1: or certain extent, no offense that is a done deally

691
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: total bust, no chance. The other example's purty obviously the

692
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: opposite situation last pick, no expectations, good sound decision maker

693
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: can turn it on and be a gamer. As we

694
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: saw in the NFC Championship game. He has only just

695
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: gone through his first full season off the UCL tear

696
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: no less, which is no small injury to come back from.

697
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: But guys like Colin constantly rip on him for being

698
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: below average quarterback, which if you have a lack of

699
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: sense and watch the tape, you know he isn't. But

700
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: there isn't no forethought into how he can develop under Shanahan.

701
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 1: Tom Brady wasn't Tom Brady until you're four in the league. Well,

702
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: I think guys like Perty are a good example. Obviously,

703
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: you have someone like Patrick Mahomes who just immediately played

704
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: and was a superstar. Even Lamar pretty quickly star took

705
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: Josh Allen a couple of years. I think this gets

706
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: back to, and I talked about it earlier, the patience

707
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: in society has never been smaller. And when you factor

708
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: in the patients from fans and patients from the owner

709
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: who now has unlimited money, every owner in the National

710
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: Football League is rich. And because of the CBA, you're

711
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: paying these quarterbacks not that much money, right, even the

712
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: number one overall pick, what's he get thirty million dollars

713
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: signing bonus thirty eight million dollars guaranteed. I could be

714
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: off a million or two, but you're you're not talking

715
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson deal. So if in a couple of years

716
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: it's not working, worst case scenario, just unload them for

717
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: a fifth or sixth. We don't have time. No general

718
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: manager or coach has like four years to just watch

719
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: a guy struggle. Within a couple of years, Peyton Manning

720
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: had him in the playoffs. So there's a level of

721
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: urgency in the NFL that I think parallels like Wall Street.

722
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: Some of you guys that run businesses that work around

723
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: or work with or maybe it's you impatient people like

724
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: not not everyone gets along leash in life. And I

725
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: don't have time for year four or five because I

726
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: will get fired. And there are enough examples of like

727
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: other people succeed. I think a lot of people go guy,

728
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: within a couple of years, you should kind of know.

729
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's that crazy. It doesn't mean

730
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: that you might not be a slow or you might

731
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: be a slow developer, and maybe in a couple of

732
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 1: years you figure it out, like you're four or five

733
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: somewhere else. Maybe Sam Darnold career renaissance year. Maybe not.

734
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: But if it happens to be, like see, he's twenty five,

735
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: twenty six years old, took him a little while same

736
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: age as Michael Pennix or a year older, I don't

737
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: have time to wait, and if I'm an owner, I

738
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: don't fucking want to watch it. So if we get

739
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: two and a half years and the guys kind of sucks,

740
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: like I'm sorry to see you later. Mac Jones and

741
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: uh Justin Fields are good examples of that. Mac Jones specifically, like,

742
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: I'm not watching this anymore. Give me a new quarterback,

743
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: because that's what I'd do if I was an owner. Now,

744
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: if there's something like Fields, there was enough that if

745
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: you didn't have the number one overall pick and we're

746
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: drafting like fifteenth, like let's see another year, let's get

747
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: a new offensive coordinator, see if we can make him

748
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: look better. But like the Niners new in two years,

749
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: like Trey Lance isn't good enough. Maybe he'll be good

750
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: in year when he's twenty seven years old, but right now,

751
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: we don't have time. Just knew quickly. It's why whenever

752
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: I see all these people tweeting like we have a

753
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: development problem, bullshit. It's never been easier to play quarterback.

754
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: It never has been easier. You can throw yolo balls,

755
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Your guys don't get killed, you can't

756
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: get hit. It's obviously still very difficult. But if you

757
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: can't show really really quick. But yeah, Brice gets a

758
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: pass last year ultimately from his organization. You better not

759
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: look like that again this year, cause if he does,

760
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: he's got problems in terms of his starting job. Can

761
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: you Pikett like we saw a couple of years he

762
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: just wasn't good enough and you're banged up and then

763
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: you start complaining to see you later, buddy, I'm actually

764
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: for it. I'm not a very patient person. And it's

765
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: one thing if like, hey there is something here, I

766
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: think anytime there's something here, and it's you're an optimistic

767
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: like the optimistic side. Those guys usually don't get shipped

768
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: out of town. It's like, yeah, we don't really see it.

769
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: It's been happening forever in the NFL. Now, teams are

770
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: just more likely to kick the guy to the curb

771
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: because financially doesn't cost him that much. Love the tip culture.

772
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: I have an insane example. My wife and I were

773
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: in an airport, flying home after vacation and sat in

774
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: a Chick fil A for thirty to forty minutes, not

775
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: because it was busy, but because the workers didn't give

776
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: a shit. Finally, we order and we go to pay,

777
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: and the tip option pops up in a fast food

778
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: restaurant at an airport. Crazy man mail back question, when

779
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: was the moment in your life you decided you were

780
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: going to pursue a career in football and what was

781
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: your first action step? I remember my freshman year in college.

782
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: Like most people that go to college, you play sports

783
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: your whole life, not that I was that good, but

784
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 1: you get to college and you don't really have any

785
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 1: sports to play, Like you just go to the gym

786
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: kind of try to work out, but it's like there

787
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: was a there was a hole missing, and I just

788
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: had a freshman year, like most people screwed around barely,

789
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, stayed academically eligible, drinking all the time. Screwing

790
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: around kind of was a hollow existence, I remember. And

791
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: then I got an internship that summer with this dude

792
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: that worked at it was either Morgan Stanley or Merrill Lynch.

793
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: He was like a financial advisor. I'm like, I'm going

794
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: to go into finance, and I remember my first day,

795
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: I had to like call my parents to get some

796
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: money to buy a couple of ties. I mean, I

797
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: don't eve think I owned a tie, and I wore

798
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: like a you know, a button up shirt with a tie. Winning.

799
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: And the first thing he made me do was he

800
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: also on the side ran art shows, so he would

801
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: use like he would be a financial guy by day,

802
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: and then he would use the office, which was really

803
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: nice to like host art shows and sell on the

804
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 1: side like he was the broker and I was ripping

805
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: them down and spackling the wall and putting new things up.

806
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, kind of made me realize work sucks no

807
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: matter what you do, in the sense of like it's

808
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: work and you're always going to start at the bottom,

809
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: but you better like doing what you're doing. So I

810
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: was like, do I even like finance that much? Ironically,

811
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: I like it way more now than I couldn't even

812
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: I didn't have any money. It didn't even make sense stocks.

813
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about anything. I just thought that's

814
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: what like successful rich people would do, going to finance.

815
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm never gonna be able to do this.

816
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: This is he's not even gonna. I ended up not

817
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: had anything to do with the market, just doing a

818
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: little task like that all summer. And then the next

819
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: year I tried to get involved with the athletic department,

820
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: and I eventually got an in helped with the marketing department,

821
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: and it just slowly led me to the football program,

822
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: where I helped in recruiting. So it wasn't like I

823
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: have to work in football. It was like I just

824
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: wanted to work in sports because I missed it a lot.

825
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 1: Now I played high school football, I played high school golf.

826
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: But I would have done whatever, Like when I worked

827
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: for the athletic department, I worked in marketing, I worked

828
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: in you know, a bunch of bs. But then once

829
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: I got the football I liked it and I was

830
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: lucky enough to be at a school that was not

831
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: Alabama or Texas or Oklahoma where they have a million helpers.

832
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: I go in. I remember one of my first days,

833
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: Rich Ellerson. At the time, we had like Ramsey's Barden

834
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: who was drafted to the NFL in the third round,

835
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 1: and Chris Gokong who was once drafted with the Eagles.

836
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: He was before I started helping out, but he was

837
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: there when I was in school, Like I got a

838
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: whistle and they're like, every time the period ends, blow

839
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: the whistle. I was immediately thrown in the fire. And

840
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: then that led me to you pursue the job at

841
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 1: Fresno State, and the kind of the rest is history.

842
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I've always loved football, but it wasn't when

843
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: I got to the NFL. You meet someone like Howie

844
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: Roseman who was like I was going to be a

845
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: GM from the moment I was eight. I didn't think

846
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: that right. Hell, I would have been more likely to

847
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: say I want to work in radio or something at

848
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: twelve years old. But yeah, it's just one of those

849
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 1: things that kind of organically happened. I wasn't like Tiger

850
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: Woods at seven years old, like I know I'm not

851
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: going to be in the NFL. I want to work

852
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 1: in the NFL, But once I kind of got that itch,

853
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: I really really worked hard to try to do everything

854
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: I could to get there, Like I was obsessed with it.

855
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 1: Love the pod, great opinions, local Arizonian in waddle, Chargers

856
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: fan and Ducks fan. I know I'm biased, So how

857
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: good is Justin Herbert? He gets a ton of hate

858
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: from the loud commenters, especially Acho never won. Look at

859
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: the twenty one draft class quarterbacks getting dumped everywhere, all

860
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: the talk as well they went to dysfunction. Herbert had

861
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: probably the worst NFL coach with a Swiss cheese defense

862
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: and zero run game the final regular season game two

863
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: years ago against the Raiders for the final playoff spot,

864
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: multiple huge fourth down conversions. He was good in that game.

865
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: They haven't lost games because of Herbert, and he's been

866
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: in a lot of games they shouldn't have been because

867
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: of him. I'll admit, maybe he doesn't have the loud,

868
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 1: fearless leadership. True, that's not really his personality, but dude

869
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: is a dog. Was Eli like the loud fearless leader

870
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: like different players, but like you don't have to be

871
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning or Tom Brady barking it like not your

872
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: personality is your personality. I want Jalen Hurchs is some

873
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: loud barker. Josh is definitely more vocal. I would say

874
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: Lamar has kind of grown into that, and maybe with

875
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: time having Jim Harbaugh, he'll grow into that. I know

876
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 1: this whenever we're arguing over the Achos of the world,

877
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: because Acho fucking hissed his wagon too Tua. There's not

878
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: a GM, there's not a coach, and there's not a

879
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: fan with a fucking brain who would take Tua over Herbert.

880
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: Every GM and head coach, including the Dolphins, would take

881
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: less than a nanosecond if you had to pick between

882
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: the two of them, they wouldn't last one one thousand

883
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: before you could say one to one thousand. Every single

884
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: person's decision making standpoint in the NFL would say justin Herbert, Yeah,

885
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: as he left a little something to be desired, partly

886
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: because he's compared to mahomes lam are in Allen, but

887
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: guess what, insert Jim Harbaugh. I expect him to legitimately

888
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: be in that class moving forward. I'm biased too. The

889
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: PAC twelve's dead, but you know, as a my kids

890
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: won't even know what that is one day as a

891
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: fan of the conference in the West Coast football. He's

892
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: a stud man. I like him. Obviously, he's got to

893
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: produce at a high level and now the pressure's really

894
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: going to be on because of Jim. But I'm a

895
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: huge fan of Justin Herbert. I think everyone with a

896
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: brain is huge fan and supporter. I like this guy.

897
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: I even have my girlfriend listening to the pod. Try

898
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: to increase that female demo. Think we're like ninety eight

899
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: to two and that might even be a little off,

900
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: close to one hundred to zero. But I appreciate all

901
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: the lady fans out there. I'm a huge concluding you, mom,

902
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm a huge Bears fan and couldn't be more excited

903
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: for Kleb. Do you think it's possible to go from

904
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: the worst to first in the North this year? There's

905
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: one team every year that does it. And think we

906
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: are set up perfectly for the jump. I know Detroit

907
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: is obviously the new leaders of the division, but we

908
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: beat them once with fields and should have beat them twice.

909
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: Last year. You had that they had that game where

910
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 1: you guys were kicking their ass and they came storming back.

911
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: Green Bay sturge late. But how is everyone forgetting how

912
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: bad Love was for a long stretch? I think because

913
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: first year starting, Once he got his legs under him

914
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: and felt comfortable, it almost felt like, is this what

915
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: the guy's gonna be? I'm with you, like, if he

916
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: was a normal player, it would be hard to forget it.

917
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: I think you have to look at him, you know,

918
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: as a borderline rookie. I know he's been in the

919
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: league for a while, but he never played. My problem

920
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: with picking you guys to be first is not the

921
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: talent on your team. The talent on your team's good.

922
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: So why would RG three say was so stupid? It's like,

923
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 1: this is not some joke organization. In terms of roster,

924
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: the roster is one of the better rosters for a

925
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: number one overall pick to ever go to. Think about

926
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: some of the number one overall picks over the years. Stafford, Bradford,

927
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: Goff Peyton, so many number one overall picks go to

928
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: terrible Tea Burrow, go to Lawrence Bryce Young. This is

929
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: the best roster of all the guys I just listed,

930
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: So it's definitely possible. Right if Detroit has an injury

931
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: or two. I just think it's hard for me to

932
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: pick against them. But last year people thought they'd be

933
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: good and then they won whatever, twelve thirteen games. This

934
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: year is everyone's taken them seriously, Like there's no sneaking

935
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: up on Detroit, on anybody. There's no oh, just this

936
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: is a solid team. No, it's like this team was

937
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: in the NFC Championship with a chance to win, and

938
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: everyone's returning. I think I saw one of their dbs

939
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: just got arrested for something in the middle of the night.

940
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: Not good, something to monitor, even though I'm that was sudden.

941
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: He's not very good, but there's a legit pressure on him.

942
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: But they bring back the offensive coordinator. They're all line

943
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: so good. I have a hard time seeing them not

944
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: be good Green Bay, Like I'm betting on them, but

945
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: you're right, Like, let's see Jordan Love do it start

946
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: to finish. Like, if they're gonna be a twelve thirteen

947
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: win team, he's gonna have to be good the majority

948
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: of the year, not just five six games at the

949
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: end of the season. Your coach is a pretty big

950
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 1: question mark, Like is eber Flus a good head coach?

951
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: And Caleb is a rookie now if he does it.

952
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: Maybe we go, hey, the best rookies look sweet. CJ

953
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: just did Caleb does. That's why the least, getting back

954
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: to why is the least so short on these guys,

955
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:53,439
Speaker 1: because I see what it looks like when a guy's

956
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: good early. Now, Caleb's team's better than a lot of

957
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: these teams, but you know what I mean, you can

958
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: kind of see it like there's something there that, to

959
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 1: me is the scary part with Bryce. Did anyone watch

960
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: Bryce Young last year and go, oh, there's a lot

961
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,760
Speaker 1: to work with because I watched a lot of Panther

962
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: games just kind of out of the corner of my

963
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: eye when he'd take the field and be like, god,

964
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: this does not look good. And obviously you're just consumed

965
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: by how physically small he is. But you just watch CJ.

966
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: You're like, God, this guy looks like a five year vet.

967
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: He's been to three Pro Bowls and not the fake

968
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls like Mac Jones, went to the one where

969
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: you're a legit top three player in your conference. So yeah, man,

970
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: I think your hopes should be really high. I think

971
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: you should be cautiously optimistic. I think thinking you're going

972
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: to win the division and then being disappointed if you

973
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: don't like I think legitimately competing for a wild card spot,

974
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: being in a position to be a wild card team

975
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: in December should be something very realistic, but a ton

976
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 1: of pressure on the coach. And obviously, you know it's

977
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback. Playing quarterback in the NFL's a lot

978
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: different than playing Washington State and Oregon State, and those

979
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 1: two teams aren't bad. I will be in Scottsdale four

980
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: thirteen to four sixteen looking for a good mid tier

981
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: golf course, solid restaurant recommendations. Well, if you're staying in Scottsdale,

982
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: I would say Raven Whirlwind, the bang for your buck

983
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: you get there. You know, I would look into Wikipal.

984
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,439
Speaker 1: They got thirty six holes, a little bit of a drive,

985
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: but it's really sweet. You know, I've lived in North

986
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: Scottsdale for a while. If you get the chance, if

987
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 1: you're with some boys, go to La Hacienda. It's in

988
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: the Princess which backs up to TPC Scottsdale. It has

989
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 1: this awesome outdoor bars in Laha Sienda. It's just fantastic

990
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: Mexican food. We went to bucking Ryder the other day.

991
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 1: That's kind of like a seafood ye place really good,

992
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,919
Speaker 1: I mean, you can never go wrong with I would

993
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: say Mastros, that's pretty good. The mission in Scottsdale is

994
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 1: really good food. The missions good, So that's kind of

995
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: the route. I would go easy, not going to give

996
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: you too many recommendations. Since I moved in this house

997
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,439
Speaker 1: and built a kitchen, that's cost me a lot of money.

998
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: I don't even go out to eat as well often anymore,

999
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: but I should do it. Have a great day, Talk

1000
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: to everyone soon. Audios. The volume