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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

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Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey

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Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and

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Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the

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Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in

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Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or

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Speaker 1: scripted as well.

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Speaker 2: Chantell Crisy Day, thanks for coming.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Chan. Tell Christy, let's have a real conversation.

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Speaker 3: That's okay, That's what I came for. Okay, please come on.

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Speaker 3: But I'd rather be in one central place than to

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Speaker 3: try to fight strangers.

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Speaker 5: Tell Christy, yes, yes, yes, how are you?

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Speaker 3: All things considered, I'm okay, I'm doing good.

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Speaker 2: Well. First of all, you're beautiful. You are a gorgeous woman.

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Speaker 2: You really are.

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Speaker 4: I do want to start by saying this, thank you

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Speaker 4: so much for reaching out to me.

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Speaker 2: It was unexpected. I open up my d M and

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Speaker 2: I'm like.

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Speaker 6: You weren't expected it, Christy, and then I was shocked

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Speaker 6: in a good way.

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Speaker 4: But what also showed me was look I have created

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Speaker 4: this safe space for people like you to feel comfortable

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Speaker 4: have being a conversation when they are going through something

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Speaker 4: as tumultuous my mental the gravity in which you're going

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Speaker 4: through things. I created this platform for that. So I

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Speaker 4: just want to stop by saying thank you for what

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Speaker 4: you got to me. Yes, I really do appreciate.

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Speaker 3: That, absolutely. I mean, I feel like I've heard a

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Speaker 3: lot of different think pieces and opinions on my situation

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Speaker 3: and what has been showed on TV. And I watched

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Speaker 3: you and Dustin's Full Thing at what hour and whatever long,

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Speaker 3: and even though, like I told you, there were things

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Speaker 3: in there that I may not agree with or that

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Speaker 3: I would like to defend myself on, it was done

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Speaker 3: in a very tasteful way, and I didn't feel attacked,

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Speaker 3: And I felt like, Okay, this is You're a producer,

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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And so I feel like

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Speaker 3: explaining to you the events that led up to this scenario,

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Speaker 3: maybe you can better understand, and even if you don't

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Speaker 3: agree with the way that I handled it, you can

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Speaker 3: you can kind of gauge like, Okay, now, I know

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Speaker 3: now that you mentioned that. But because the viewers don't

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Speaker 3: get to see all of the ins and outs and

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Speaker 3: the you know what I'm saying, Like the things that

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Speaker 3: are cut, the things that never see the life of day.

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Speaker 3: It's very hard to understand, like why would you talk

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Speaker 3: to her like that? Why would you do that? Why

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Speaker 3: would you so? Like I said, even if if you

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Speaker 3: walk away from here today feeling like bro, you still

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Speaker 3: shouldn't have did that. I'm okay with that, Like I

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Speaker 3: understand that, But I do want it to be somewhere

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Speaker 3: on wax my side of the story. If I never

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Speaker 3: do anything else in entertainment, if I never go back

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Speaker 3: to basketball lives, whatever happens, I want to know that

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Speaker 3: there's that it lives in history somewhere my side of things.

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Speaker 2: You know, I received that.

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Speaker 4: I received that, and I seriously just cannot thank you

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Speaker 4: enough for sitting down because I know everybody wants to

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Speaker 4: talk to you.

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming a lot of people reach out to you.

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Speaker 3: A lot TMC, Shape Room, any new site that you

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Speaker 3: can think of, reached out and the majority of them

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Speaker 3: they wanted me to be in LA They wanted me

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Speaker 3: to come out there, and I told them, you know,

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Speaker 3: that's not where I'm based anymore. Like when this show

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Speaker 3: was done, filming, I moved away, and I was like,

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Speaker 3: I wash my hands of it. You know. So when

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Speaker 3: I reached out to you and you said, listen, if

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Speaker 3: I can, if I can situate this, I can be there.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, now see that's journalism to me,

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Speaker 3: Like you know what I'm saying, that's like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 3: he's serious about the story. And it didn't give like

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to be messy. It's just more so I

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Speaker 3: want to get to the bottom of things, like what's tea?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: That was funny.

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Speaker 2: And so I'm like, where you live.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I so call my.

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Speaker 2: Producer here like talking.

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Speaker 4: And I said to myself, God is in this conversation.

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Speaker 2: And I do want you to know that because for me,

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Speaker 2: I did not seek you out.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and.

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Speaker 2: I flew in town.

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Speaker 4: I flew my producer and I said, in order for

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Speaker 4: me to have a conversation with her, I need to

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Speaker 4: feel her. I need to be able to like look

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Speaker 4: her face and face eye and the eye and I

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Speaker 4: needed to, like I all of my guests, I want

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Speaker 4: to feel the energy from you. What I will say

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Speaker 4: before I get started with the questioning, you are very

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Speaker 4: likable right now? You are.

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Speaker 3: You got introduced to the world.

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Speaker 4: You're very likable, your spirit. I didn't know what I

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Speaker 4: was going to get coming into this. I didn't know

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Speaker 4: if you were rightfully so in a different space. But

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Speaker 4: what I want, what I want the rain drops to

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Speaker 4: know right now, this is real. Y'all know a lot

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Speaker 4: of y'all.

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Speaker 2: Your energy is infectious, You're in a great mood.

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Speaker 4: You are you, You're beautiful camera, You're stunning in person.

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Speaker 4: You do have a light, you do you have something

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Speaker 4: and obviously you have been a meme for the past

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Speaker 4: couple of days. So before we get started, I do

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Speaker 4: want to ask you, with all things considered mentally, mentally,

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Speaker 4: how are you doing.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm doing a lot better now than I

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Speaker 3: was when this first dropped. And when this first happened,

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Speaker 3: I think I was in a really dark space. And

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Speaker 3: even though I knew that it was coming, because obviously

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Speaker 3: I was there in Hawaii when it happened, and I

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Speaker 3: didn't know how much they would show, but I was

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Speaker 3: kind of bracing myself through the Green Screez and the

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Speaker 3: interviews that I did. I answered questions that let me know, like,

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Speaker 3: all right, this is gonna see the light of day,

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Speaker 3: you know, what I'm saying, this is not a fight

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Speaker 3: or whatever that they're gonna scrap. And so even though

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Speaker 3: I tried to prepare myself, it's just different when when

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Speaker 3: you're in it and you have millions of people just

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Speaker 3: saying the wildest stuff. I mean, they've wished death on me.

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Speaker 3: They tell me when they see me, they gonna curb

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Speaker 3: stomp me on Jackie's behalf. And I'm like, you want

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Speaker 3: to go to jail for Jackie? Like I'm trying to understand,

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Speaker 3: Like I get how crazy this looks, right, Like it's terrible.

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Speaker 3: It is terrible.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't. I'm not negating that fact. But you guys

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Speaker 3: are judging me based on how I'm handling someone that

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Speaker 3: i've that has been in my life for thirty two years, right,

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Speaker 3: and so it's very hard to carry that weight. But

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Speaker 3: you know, I make the joke to people, I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I didn't only inherit her neck, I also inherited her

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Speaker 3: thick skin, not even being funny, but for real, Like

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Speaker 3: I know that I can take this. You know, I

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Speaker 3: have a really strong support system. I have a really

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Speaker 3: strong village around me that is checking in on me consistently.

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Speaker 3: When I can't pick myself up, They're there to do that,

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Speaker 3: whether that be my husband, my sister in law, my friends, whatever.

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Speaker 3: Like I've established a really strong support group. So I'm

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Speaker 3: just taking it day by day. You know, some days

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Speaker 3: it's like these people are so ignorant, like I'm not

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Speaker 3: even gonna pay it any mind or attention. And then

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Speaker 3: other days it's like I want to argue with every

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Speaker 3: want to explain myself, and I know that I can't,

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Speaker 3: like I can't respond to each and every one of

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Speaker 3: these individuals. So this felt like the safest space to

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Speaker 3: do that and then just kind of wash my hands

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Speaker 3: of it, you know, Like what I say here today,

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Speaker 3: this is my final statement, Like I'm not going back

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Speaker 3: they've always been, and I'm not going to let outsiders

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Speaker 3: create this narrative that really isn't me. Like if you

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Speaker 3: know me and you're just meeting me, you know what

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like you've been around me all of ten minutes.

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Speaker 3: There are people that have known me my whole life

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Speaker 3: and know, like, this is not who you are. That

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Speaker 3: was a really bad moment in your life, and it's

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Speaker 3: publicized for everybody to see, but this is not who

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Speaker 3: you are. So you can't wear that for the rest

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Speaker 3: of your life. Yeah, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: You can't and I don't want that for you at all,

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Speaker 4: and I'm happy that.

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Speaker 2: Look, after this conversation, I agree with you.

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Speaker 4: They have this to watch until the end of time

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Speaker 4: before obviously your next ventures, and we'll get to that too,

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Speaker 4: But I want to start from the beginning. Okay, let's

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Speaker 4: who was Chantel Christy as a little girl with the

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Speaker 4: parents of Doug and Jackie, Like what was her childhood?

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Speaker 3: Like everybody used to call me the poor little rich

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Speaker 3: I was trying to do hair, like all of the

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Speaker 3: little hustles. That is something that I get from my mom,

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Speaker 3: idea that I grew up just very privileged and like

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Speaker 3: she passed away when I was eighteen, So for eighteen years,

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Speaker 3: I have this incredible woman that is around, dropping all

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Speaker 3: ways that my mom Couldn't you get what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: This is Jackie's mom. She's been on the show before,

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Speaker 3: I think in the first season her her journey with

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Speaker 3: cancer and stuff like that was kind of chronicled a

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Speaker 3: though I didn't have maybe like a conventional or like

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Speaker 3: we were never stationary like I am with my kids now,

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Speaker 3: you know. And so I just I experienced a lot

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Speaker 3: over time, just living in Canada, living in Texas, living

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Speaker 3: my life that I just have a I'm just I'm

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Speaker 3: just a different person. You know, then, I guess you

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Speaker 3: would you would typically meet because I've had so many

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Speaker 3: experiences and I've lived so many places, and I've met

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Speaker 3: so many people, Like I think in that way, I'm

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Speaker 3: I'm a little more well rounded than maybe I present myself,

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Speaker 3: you know, like when I get upset, obviously I have

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Speaker 3: a heart time talking and expressing myself. But yeah, I

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Speaker 3: just that little girl. She still lives in me, you know,

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Speaker 3: but I think I have just kind of buried her

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Speaker 4: When you were a little girl growing up, your grandmother

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Speaker 4: obviously lives there. You were saying that you know she

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Speaker 4: pretty much was not to be worse your mom, but

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Speaker 3: Because these are my experiences. I mean, you can very

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Speaker 4: Well listen, I'm gonna go on a limb and say

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 4: I was blessed as a black person to have both

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's okay, and I think it is

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Speaker 2: I don't know, would you call her the beware back?

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Speaker 3: I don't think that I've ever called her the bee

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So at twelve years Olga mother says, I hate

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Speaker 4: my dad. We're past that now, but I know what

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00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 4: it's like for a parent to say something to you.

437
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 4: My father said to me I was subven, and he said,

438
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 4: stop acting like a girl.

439
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 2: And again I'm not called out my name, but as

440
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 2: a little.

441
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 4: Boy hearing that, that was the day I said to myself.

442
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you don't like me right there, you don't like me.

443
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 4: And I was suvin and I was thirty five. So

444
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 4: twenty eight years later, I took him aside and spoke

445
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 4: to him about that. So for twenty eight years on it,

446
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 4: I held on to it. I never forgot it, And

447
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 4: for twenty eight years I lived my life thinking my

448
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 4: father doesn't like who I am because I am a

449
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 4: feminine boy. My sexuality has nothing to do with it

450
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 4: is the fact that I mean eminem boy and him

451
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 4: saying stop.

452
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 2: Acting like a girl made me look at him differently.

453
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 4: And I held on to that for twenty eight years

454
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 4: until I said something to him and he said to me,

455
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I didn't I didn't even realize I said

456
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 4: that to you, and I apologize, And now I made

457
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 4: him a good and refined I'm able to move forward.

458
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 4: And I think for me, as I was watching the

459
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 4: dynamic between and your mom, I knew, listen, I'm gonna

460
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 4: be rip with you. I thought to myself, Okay, how

461
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 4: deep is the pain? How deep is the pain? And

462
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 4: what I'm realizing right now in this moment, it doesn't

463
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 4: have to be the physical pain of being physically abused

464
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 4: sexually abused. It doesn't have to be those those monumental

465
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 4: like like black or white thing where we're like boom.

466
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 4: It can be your mother at that time saying to

467
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 4: you I hate you, yes, and things not ever.

468
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 2: Really being the same. Does that make sense?

469
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 4: No?

470
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I think that in the back of my mind.

471
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 3: I always held on to that, like even if I

472
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 3: was able to walk away from that conversation, and you know,

473
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 3: we move on and whatever, And here I am twenty

474
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 3: years later, still feeling that way in the back of

475
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 3: my mind, like you still feel some sort of way

476
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 3: towards me, whether that's what for whatever your reasoning is,

477
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 3: you have to hate me, because if you didn't, why

478
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 3: would you treat me like this?

479
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: This is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King.

480
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 2: Let's get back into the show.

481
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 4: Obviously, your sister will get down in a second. Your

482
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 4: sister said, baby Chantale was spoiled. My mama looked paraphrase,

483
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 4: of course, but it appeared that or what was said

484
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 4: was you were the apple of Jackie's eye, were the

485
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 4: one who got everything they wanted you. You were the

486
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 4: one that they poured so much into and that you

487
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 4: are a MENI Jackie yourself, is that something that you

488
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 4: can acknowledge that you, out of all your siblings, you

489
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 4: are the one that got the most or it was

490
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 4: boil on.

491
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 3: I won't stay out of all my siblings because me

492
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 3: and my brother have the same mom and dad, right,

493
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 3: and so for my sister, and I'm going to try

494
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 3: to be not careful with my words because my truth

495
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: is my truth, right, But I now understand that she

496
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 3: doesn't want me to speak about her and her experiences,

497
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 3: so I can speak on mine. Right. My sister has

498
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 3: a different father and so not to in any way

499
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 3: take away from her experiences. Right. But I have a

500
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: daughter from a previous relationship, and now I have my

501
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 3: son with my husband, and I know that for me personally,

502
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 3: I go out of my way to ensure that they

503
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 3: feel equal. I never want my daughter to be in

504
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 3: this house feeling like, oh, Mommy and Noah and Duquan

505
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 3: are sitting there on the couch and I'm off to myself.

506
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 3: I don't play like that my kids are equal. It

507
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 3: doesn't matter who your father is. I'm your mother, and

508
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 3: this is what it is. So I think that a

509
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 3: lot of what she may have felt came from the

510
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 3: fact that you see mom and dad in this household,

511
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 3: and no matter if my dad adopts you, no matter

512
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,239
Speaker 3: if he takes you under his wing, no matter all

513
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 3: of these things, you still don't feel like this is

514
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 3: really mine. You almost feel like an outsider in some ways.

515
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 3: And so for me, I always felt like, how do

516
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 3: I get us to be equal, or how do I

517
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 3: get her to feel like she's just as much loved

518
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: and adored as I am? You know what I'm saying.

519
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 3: Like you see me having these great experiences with my father,

520
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 3: I want you to have the same thing. So I

521
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: can't tell you what her thought process was. I can't

522
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 3: tell you what I'm thought process was. But for me,

523
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 3: even if I did have the material things, I still

524
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 3: felt just as my sister did. We was both left

525
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,479
Speaker 3: here with our grandmother. She didn't take me with her

526
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 3: like our experiences. Maybe because yours are different, it doesn't change.

527
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 3: It doesn't change that we were raised by the same mother.

528
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 3: Do you get what I'm saying. So much of what

529
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 3: you experienced I probably did too. It may have looked

530
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 3: different for you because it is different for you, but

531
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that you got this monster and I

532
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 3: got this perfect mother. That's not what happened. Now, If

533
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 3: that's what you if that's your experience, I understand that.

534
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 3: But that wasn't my experience.

535
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 4: And it goes back to what we say that children

536
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 4: can live in the same household with their parents and

537
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 4: have a different experience. And I think that's the case

538
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 4: with you and your siblings when it comes see your father,

539
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 4: Would you open up to your dad about how you

540
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 4: felt about the things I've gone with your mom or

541
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 4: you kept that too. Oh no.

542
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 3: We just got to this point in like my late

543
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: twenties where I finally started to really open up and

544
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 3: be transparent with my dad and tell him because I

545
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 3: started to see him as a person and not a parent.

546
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 3: So because of that, I'm like, Okay, I could see

547
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 3: where you were coming from when you didn't want me

548
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 3: to do this or you didn't want me to do that.

549
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 3: I started to relate to him more, and so I

550
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 3: felt comfortable opening up. I felt comfortable saying yeah, like

551
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 3: this is this is where I was at, or this

552
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 3: is what I thought, or this is what I felt.

553
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 3: And the difference and I'm not trying to compare them,

554
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 3: but I'm speaking on my experience. The difference between my

555
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 3: mom and dad is that he is very quick to

556
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: take accountability, apologize, acknowledge, understand even if he doesn't agree right,

557
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 3: And so then you have the polar opposite parent who

558
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: is the no accountability And it's it's very hard to

559
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 3: find that balance because on one hand, I don't feel

560
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 3: safe to share this with you, and on the other hand,

561
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 3: you're like my best friend. It's very hard to find

562
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 3: that balance.

563
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 4: I've been told through many psychiatrists and the many books

564
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 4: that I read that for most girls, not all, but

565
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 4: for most girls, your first bully is your mom. I

566
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 4: have been told that when I say that, I'm not

567
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 4: calling your mother a bully. What I'm saying is based

568
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 4: on your relationship with your mother.

569
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: And you said.

570
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 4: Something so poignant earlier when you said, perhaps my mother

571
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 4: did the best she could with the information she had

572
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 4: of being a mom.

573
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: Do you think mother intentionally.

574
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 4: Wanted to treat you the way she treated you, or

575
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 4: do you think, now being a mom, my mother did

576
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 4: the best she could with the information she had.

577
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 3: I think it's a bit of both. Honestly, I think

578
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 3: that that is my truth, that I experienced a mom

579
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 3: who maybe had no plans of being a mom, right,

580
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 3: and this all kind of just fill into your lap,

581
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: like maybe you didn't want to be a mom, but

582
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: you're taking your responsibilities on. I don't know her backstory

583
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: like that, or I haven't had these sort of layered

584
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 3: conversations with her to understand where her mind was when

585
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 3: she had my sister, when she had me, or when

586
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 3: she had my brother. But I think that at times

587
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 3: you didn't know any better, so you couldn't do any better.

588
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: But then there are other instances where it's like, now

589
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 3: you know you was dragging it right, like you know

590
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 3: you was out of line. And because I can never

591
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 3: have that sort of real, honest conversation where she just

592
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: takes the mask off and she just says, you know what,

593
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 3: this is the real right and meets me in this

594
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: conversation with the desire to understand instead of attack or

595
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 3: feel attacked. We can't really get anywhere because I'm telling

596
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 3: you what my experiences are and you're telling me what

597
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 3: maybe your intentions were, and we just can't We can't

598
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: meet somewhere in the middle, you know what I mean.

599
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 3: And that's how things start to really deteriorate and play

600
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 3: out how they have.

601
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 4: You were closer grandmother with is Jackie's mom growing up?

602
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 4: What did you see in terms of how was Jackie's

603
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 4: relationship this strange mother figure who you felt at the time,

604
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 4: what was her relationship and dynamic Like with your grandmother

605
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 4: who you cherish and just love so much.

606
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 3: It wasn't bad. I think that she was. I think

607
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: the only one in this life that I've witnessed outside

608
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 3: of my dad, who really loved my mom unconditionally, like

609
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 3: I know who you are, I know how you are,

610
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna love you through that. I'm gonna try

611
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 3: to fix you in some ways, you get what I'm saying, Like,

612
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 3: my mom is one of nine. My room had nine kids,

613
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 3: and this is the one that you chose to live

614
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: with help out. Do you get what I'm saying? Like

615
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: there are still eight other children, But my mom was

616
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 3: more so like I'm not gonna say the problem child,

617
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 3: but I think that my grandmother knew she is the

618
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 3: one that needs it the most, and so having her there,

619
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: it was like she just picked up a lot of

620
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 3: the slack. She just did all the things. You're cooking

621
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 3: every meal, you're taking us to school, pickup, drop off,

622
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 3: sitting in the parking lot sometimes like do you get

623
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: what I'm saying? You're taking on you're being the mother

624
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 3: for her, and whether that was you are enabling her

625
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 3: to not step up to the plate as a mom,

626
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 3: whether you feel like you're giving her the support that

627
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 3: she needs for her own mental I don't know. And

628
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 3: because my grandmother is no longer here, I can't really

629
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 3: have that conversation and get that sort of clarity and

630
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: understanding to be able to better understand, my mom, I

631
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 3: don't have that.

632
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 2: In this very moment, I have a light bulb moment.

633
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 4: Maybe you recognize it in yourself and you have or

634
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 4: maybe you have it. In this very moment, I have

635
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 4: aha moment of if any black child grew up where

636
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 4: their grandmother pretty much raised them, the moment your grandmother

637
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 4: passed away, you lost her protector. Oh my gosh, you

638
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 4: lost her protector. And I think, subconsciously, Chantelle, the moment

639
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 4: the woman who you felt protected you was there for you,

640
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 4: you love, the moment she passed away, you were now

641
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 4: forced to deal with your mother alone, without that.

642
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 2: Shield, without that shield.

643
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 3: And at that point, I really felt like a motherless child.

644
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 3: Even though my mother is here in the flesh. This

645
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 3: woman that has raised me and taught me and picked

646
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 3: me up when I was down and just been that safe,

647
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 3: protective space for all of these years. Now she's gone

648
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 3: and she's I mean, she passed away from cancer, like

649
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, so watching her deteriorate, and

650
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 3: I was her caregiver for like the last year of

651
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 3: her life. Like there were so many hurt feelings and

652
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 3: just so much It was just so heavy for me,

653
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 3: you know, what I mean. And I think that maybe

654
00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 3: my mom in her mind thought things would change between us,

655
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 3: or maybe she I don't know, but I wasn't able

656
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 3: to build a relationship with her at that point. Like

657
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: I moved out at eighteen, And this is what people

658
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 3: fail to realize about me. They think, like I've just

659
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 3: been spoiled all my life. I moved out at eighteen

660
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 3: and when got a job at Walmart because I wanted

661
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 3: to be away from my mom. I didn't want to

662
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 3: live off of her. I didn't want to be provided

663
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 3: for and all these things that people think. When my

664
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 3: grandma died, I was like, Okay, now I got to

665
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: hit the ground running. I have to figure something out.

666
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: And within a month I was a cashier at Walmart,

667
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 3: name tag and all, and from there moved to North

668
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 3: Stroum and assistant manager at Hustler Hollywood. And I've had

669
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: a lot of odds and end jobs along the way

670
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 3: to prevent depending on my mom and to prevent maybe

671
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: having the tough conversation.

672
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 4: I was just about to say, I don't think it

673
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 4: was to prevent to prevent you from dealing with her.

674
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 4: It's not prevent what you did, was chantel when your

675
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 4: grandmother passed away and you're eighteen years old. Well, you

676
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 4: don't realize you did, my love. You were escaping your mother.

677
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 4: You ran away, You ran away from home.

678
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 3: Oh no, for sure.

679
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like you ran away. The

680
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 2: fact that this woman who.

681
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 4: I love is no longer here, Yes, and she's removed

682
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 4: from the equation. I'm not forced and face to deal

683
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 4: with that. And I can't deal with that because again,

684
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 4: I relate to you so much because when my mom

685
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 4: passed away, because I want the world to know that

686
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 4: I now see you so differently now when my mom

687
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 4: passed away, all nine, I have ten siblings, so I

688
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 4: can relate to Jackie too. I have nine siblings. It's

689
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 4: ten of us. All of us were extremely close to

690
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 4: our mother. The moment our mother passed away, I'm not

691
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 4: gonna speak for everybody. I'll speak for myself, just to

692
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 4: be safe, because I don't need no drama in my family.

693
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 4: The moment my mom passed away, I said, I have

694
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 4: to talk to my father. Now we're fine, but I

695
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 4: will call my mom and she'd be like, you know,

696
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 4: she is your dad's birthday.

697
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,479
Speaker 2: Oh tell my seventy birthday? All right?

698
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Carlos blah blah blah blah, your father in the background.

699
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 4: Oh time, I said, Hi. It wasn't until my mother

700
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 4: passed away that I said to myself, I now have

701
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 4: to develop a relationship with my father. When your grandmother

702
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 4: passed away, you ran away because you did not want

703
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 4: to deal with the heavy work. And it's heavy to

704
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 4: all of a sudden at eighteen years old start a

705
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 4: relationship with your mom. And you've been what you have done, Chantelle,

706
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 4: which is no far of your own and you said

707
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 4: it earlier. You are still a little girl inside processing

708
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 4: your experience, and unfortunately you haven't been able to find

709
00:38:55,719 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 4: the worst to articulate it, and you suppressed it and

710
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 4: and your and your anger has manifested.

711
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 3: Absolutely m I read a comment that said, Takari is

712
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 3: sad and Chantelle is mad, and I said, preach, Clockey, preach,

713
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 3: That's that's what you see manifesting people you because maybe

714
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 3: because you don't see me crying and carrying on, you

715
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 3: can't have any sort of empathy for me. Right you

716
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: see the anger, and it's like, how could you? But

717
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 3: if you don't understand my plight, be grateful for that.

718
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 3: I've been through a lot of experiences in my life,

719
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 3: and that doesn't excuse my behavior. It doesn't you you.

720
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 4: You you hold full accountability absolutely for your behavior.

721
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 3: Absolutely, when I got to that door, I could have

722
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 3: and should have turned around and walked out of it

723
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 3: one thousand percent when I when I seen in real

724
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 3: life outside of these cameras, you're not going to take accountability.

725
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: You're not gonna acknowledge what you've been doing all season long.

726
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 3: Right now to the outside world, we both look like fools.

727
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 3: I just need to go. I couldn't do that. I

728
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 3: couldn't do that. For the first time in my life,

729
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 3: I'm tote to told with who I feel like was

730
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 3: my first bully, and I'm not backing down. I don't

731
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 3: something in me just I was spiraling and that's what

732
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 3: you see play out. I don't people think that because

733
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 3: I haven't come out and said I apologize to my

734
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: mom for this, is not that I think that I

735
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 3: was right in the altercation or in what happened. There

736
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 3: are plenty of instances and times during this season where

737
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 3: I was wrong, where I could have removed myself, where

738
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have engaged. Absolutely, I understand that I'm not delusional,

739
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 3: like I know it looks that way, and I get it,

740
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: Like it's fear. You guys can only go off of

741
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 3: what you see, Like you said, you know, I get it,

742
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 3: But I know what a what I have experienced since

743
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 3: the start of filming this show, And that's what I

744
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 3: think that people fail to realize. When I'm on the

745
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 3: show and I'm talking about her taking accountability and apologizing

746
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 3: and so on and so forth, I'm talking about stuff

747
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 3: that's happening right now at my big age at thirty

748
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 3: two in Los Angeles, on these cameras, off these cameras

749
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 3: I'm talking about right now in this season, I wasn't

750
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 3: even talking about my childhood. Now, if we want to

751
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 3: tell the backstory and you want to understand better how

752
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 3: I kind of came to this place of not being

753
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 3: super close with her, we can do that. But what

754
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 3: I was searching for this season was not her to

755
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 3: go back and say, you know what, I shouldn't have

756
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 3: talked to you like that when you were a kid,

757
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have such and such. I wasn't. That was

758
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 3: not what happened, and it did not come across that

759
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 3: way on camera at all. So that's something that I

760
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 3: have to live with. But because I know my truth

761
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 3: and I know my intentions, that's the only thing that

762
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 3: is keeping me afloat right now.

763
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: So let's get into that. You've been on the show before.

764
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 4: We've seen you a part of Basketball Guys a couple

765
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 4: of times. This was the first time where Okay, Chantelle

766
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 4: is low Kia full time cast member. When you got

767
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 4: the call to join the show, did you know that, Okay,

768
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 4: this is going to be an opportunity for me to

769
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 4: work with my mom. Like, where were you and your

770
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 4: mom's relationship when you got the phone call to join the.

771
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 2: Show this season?

772
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: We weren't in a bad space by any means necessary,

773
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 3: But we also weren't close. We weren't besties. We weren't

774
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 3: you know. I'm calling her and telling her my business.

775
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 3: What I want people to understand is that I moved

776
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 3: away from Sacramento and away from my mom when my

777
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 3: daughter was two and a half years old. She's eight

778
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: years old now, so me and Jackie have not been

779
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 3: living in the same state for five years. We're talking

780
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 3: over text, we have our phone. She'll send the kids

781
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 3: Christmas gifts. That's the sort of interactions that we're having

782
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 3: ever so often. I'll go to Sacramento. Obviously my dad,

783
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 3: you know where he works. So Disney on Ice is

784
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 3: coming to Golden One Center. I'm gonna take the kids,

785
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 3: things like that. But me and my mom had not

786
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 3: been in the same space for extended periods of time

787
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 3: in years years. This is not somebody that I'm seeing

788
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: and everything is great off camera and then I get

789
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 3: on camera and I cod switch on you. That's not

790
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 3: what happened. We were not locked in. We were not

791
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 3: where we are now by any means necessary, or I

792
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 3: never would have agreed to come and do the show.

793
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 3: But I think that I had high hopes that I've

794
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 3: been on this show before I had to sit down

795
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 3: with Laura, I've had all the drama with other girls

796
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 3: and all of these things. I can come on and

797
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 3: show the growth I can show. Okay, like, no, we

798
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 3: definitely don't have the best history. We definitely don't have

799
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 3: you know, the we have a very checkered past. But

800
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 3: we're moving forward. We're trying to move forward. So when

801
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 3: my mom reaches out and the producers reach out, this

802
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 3: is this is months in the making. And the first

803
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 3: several times I said no, I'm a newlywed, I have

804
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 3: this new baby, Like, I don't need this, respectfully, like

805
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 3: I get it. Everybody said I did this for a check.

806
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: I was. I appropriately compensated for my time. Absolutely, I

807
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 3: wasn't gonna do it for free. But did I need this? No,

808
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 3: my husband takes impeccable care of his family. So I

809
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 3: didn't come on here for the sake of a check

810
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 3: to embarrass Jackie. That's not the way that this played out.

811
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 3: Y'all came and found me. I was in Arizona, out

812
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 3: the way for years. I was never in the blogs.

813
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 3: I was never in no drama. I was out the

814
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 3: way for years. I was living a happy, peaceful life,

815
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 3: letting my husband love on me, letting my kids build memories.

816
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 3: And I was good. Y'all came and found me. I

817
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 3: turned it down multiple times, and grow continued encouragement and

818
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 3: petitions and so on and so forth from my mom. Oh,

819
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 3: come on, Danna, we're gonna do this. It's gonna be great,

820
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 3: it's gonna be positive. Come make your little money and

821
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 3: go on about your business. I'm talking to my husband

822
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 3: about him, like, what do you think he's like? I mean,

823
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, you know same thing my

824
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 3: dad said, you know how y'all could get I don't

825
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 3: know if it's the best idea, but if.

826
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: You your father wasn't even into the.

827
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 5: Idem Wow, hell no, all right now, because he knows,

828
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 5: like we don't have the best track record, we don't

829
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 5: have the closest relationship, and he knows that we're both

830
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 5: firecrackers in that way.

831
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 3: He knows his child, and he knows I'm not going

832
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 3: to back down. And once you take me to that point,

833
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 3: I could give up about these cameras and anything else.

834
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't play like that. You can see

835
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 3: in her previous interviews where she says, my daughter is

836
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 3: a very private person. I begged her to be on

837
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 3: this show, so I didn't. I wasn't looking for this,

838
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 3: ye know.

839
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 4: I interviewed your mom, of course, and she says, your

840
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 4: mother said I but you said, like she reached out

841
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 4: to get you on the show.

842
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: Your mother hick con from that to me.

843
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 3: So you brought me here to play in my face?

844
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 2: That's how you felt, or do you still feel that way?

845
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 3: I mean, we could get into the meat bones of

846
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 3: what happened. Absolutely, that is what happened. You played in

847
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 3: my face.

848
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm a huge Basketball Wives fan. I watch

849
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 2: every single episode. I'm a Basketball Wives historian.

850
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 4: Okay, I saw you on the show, you and dre

851
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 4: et Orlando that whole thing, and I saw you confront

852
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 4: Evelyn about Jackie and the Jackie's like what you doing?

853
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: You're like, Mom, I came down my weed.

854
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 4: Stel intact, like everything's good, right, I'll trust me. Carlo's

855
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 4: kigs are fed up of Wives. It's the greatest show

856
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 4: bah one in my opinion. So we saw the top

857
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 4: of the season. We see your mom be you know,

858
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 4: adulting grandmother in the sense of, like, you know, having

859
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 4: fun with you guys. But one thing that I still

860
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 4: do not understand. And again us producer, I know that

861
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 4: oftentimes a lot of things aren't shown, and I want

862
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 4: you to have the ability to address it. What was

863
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 4: the moment this season where you felt like things took

864
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 4: a turn between you and your mom?

865
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 3: The first scene.

866
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 6: In the.

867
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 3: Apartment apartment, Now, put your producer hat on. Follow me here.

868
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 2: Now.

869
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 3: Everybody is saying from the first scene that she came in,

870
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 3: you act like you was on ten. You were so disrespectful.

871
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 3: Understand something my mom met my son when he was

872
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 3: seven months old. When she comes in the door and

873
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 3: I say, oh, he got to warm up. That's meat

874
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 3: for real, real as a mama bear. I'm not gonna

875
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 3: put him in your arms for the sake of these

876
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 3: cameras and have him on here howling and carrying on.

877
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 3: I want him to be comfortable. I'm I set out

878
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 3: when I when I signed up to do this show

879
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 3: to really establish the real and reality TV. I understand

880
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 3: that people have grown accustomed to seeing these women get

881
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 3: on here and sit down and fight and argue and

882
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 3: throw drinks and go to dinner and talk about the

883
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 3: same thing. And I that wasn't what I signed up for.

884
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be my real, true, authentic self. Whoever likes it,

885
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 3: likes it, whoever doesn't, that's okay too. So you're seeing

886
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 3: these little you know, nuances or whatever in our relationship.

887
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 3: This is our real dynamic. And I'm not gonna get

888
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 3: on here and pretend for anybody here you go, here's grandma.

889
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 3: I wasn't gonna do that. Why would I do that

890
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 3: to this is my real son. This is not no

891
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 3: prop baby.

892
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: And how old would your son up the time of

893
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 2: that scene?

894
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 3: I was, I think nine months postpartum, so he was, Yeah,

895
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 3: he was like nine ten months, so right in there.

896
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 4: So your mother met yourselphabet part seven months? Was that

897
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 4: the second time she was around?

898
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 3: That was maybe maybe the third, right right within there.

899
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 3: I think that that she had because obviously I had

900
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 3: been in La in that apartment well before we started filming,

901
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 3: right like a week or two or whatever. She had

902
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 3: seen him on different occasions. But not, my mom is

903
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 3: not picking up my son taking him to the park.

904
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 3: This is not one of those sort of situations. You

905
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 3: can come over and see him. You can come and visit,

906
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 3: visit him, absolutely, like, that's not I'm not going to

907
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 3: keep you from your grandkids, right, but you also don't

908
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 3: have that sort of typical grandparent relationship with him, right

909
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 3: you may she may have had that with my daughter

910
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 3: because I lived in Sacramento at the time, So for

911
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 3: the first two and a half years of her life,

912
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 3: you are able to see her, you are able to

913
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 3: have these great experience as a grandparent. But when it

914
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 3: comes to my son, that wasn't the case. So fast forward,

915
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 3: she comes in, she sits down, We're having our little

916
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 3: you know talk, whatever she says, and I haven't said

917
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 3: this publicly. She says, Banna, I don't mean to pry,

918
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 3: but how are things with and insert my daughter's father's name.

919
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 3: She says, how are things with Stacy? And I'm like,

920
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 3: I know you fucking did, now mind you? Leading up

921
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 3: to this, We've had multiple conversations that we will not

922
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 3: talk about that on this platform. I'm in the thick

923
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 3: of a custody battle. I'm going through a nobody out

924
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 3: of my grandmother's nine kids. Nobody in our family has

925
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 3: ever had any sort of custody court anything family wise.

926
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 3: They always figured it out amongst themselves. So here I

927
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 3: am in the middle of this very heavy, serious situation.

928
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 3: You promised me that you are not going to talk

929
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 3: about it. You promise me that you will not bring

930
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 3: it up. And if somebody else brings it up, you

931
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 3: could just get up and you could just walk away,

932
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 3: don't engage, and you get in here in the first

933
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 3: thing and you throw me under the bus. Now, as

934
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 3: a producer, you know, we don't know what's gonna be

935
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 3: used at this point. I don't know if they're gonna

936
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,760
Speaker 3: use it. I don't know if this is gonna get legs.

937
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 3: I don't know if now they're gonna take this and say, Brandy,

938
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 3: ask her about her daughter's father or such and such,

939
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 3: asker about the court case. I don't know how this

940
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 3: is gonna play out, but I know that you and

941
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 3: I had multiple conversations leading up to the start of filming.

942
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 3: We agree we would not talk about this. Understand, my

943
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 3: daughter has her father, My sister has her father. Mom,

944
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 3: you have a child from a previous relationship, just like

945
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 3: I do. Do you want me to come in here

946
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 3: and sit down and say, so, how are things with Tyrone?

947
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 3: Have you talked to him lately? What is the drama like?

948
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 3: That would have been so messy, that would have been

949
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 3: so crazy and tacky on my part as your daughter.

950
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 3: So you can do that to me, and I'm just

951
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 3: supposed to eat it now. You and Dustin both said,

952
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 3: she's very well versed at this. She knows what she's doing.

953
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 3: She knows there are certain things that you just don't

954
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 3: because you never know what's gonna be used. So in

955
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 3: that moment that it clicks in my mind and I'm like,

956
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 3: here's she go yet again. You're not protecting me. Now,

957
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 3: you're taking me back to my childhood. Now I'm feeling

958
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: exposed now I'm feeling naked now. I'm feeling like the

959
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 3: very person that begged me to come here is gonna

960
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 3: play in my face for what reason. I'm if we

961
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 3: really get to the nitty gritty of things. Out of

962
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 3: everybody on this cast, technically I am the basketball wife.

963
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 3: My father played basketball, but he's a coach now. Nobody

964
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 3: else on this cast is married to someone that is

965
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 3: currently in the league. That's not me tooting my own horn.

966
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 3: If we're talking about the title of this show, that's

967
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 3: what it is. You had so much meat and bones

968
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 3: and things. You could have talked about, what is life

969
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 3: like with your husband living here and you live in

970
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 3: there with the kids, and there's so much we could

971
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 3: have talked about. Why would you come on here and

972
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 3: bring up my daughter's father when you know the dynamic

973
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 3: and you think that I'm not gonna feel some sort

974
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 3: of way, you know me, So I didn't allow that

975
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 3: to ruffle my feathers on camera. I gave her a

976
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 3: very you know, diplomatic answer, just you know, we're trying

977
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 3: to work through this as a family. Hopefully you know,

978
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 3: the judge will approve the relocation and whatever. As best

979
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 3: as I could wrap it up in that moment while

980
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 3: my mind I'm spiraling, I'm like, this, lady did not

981
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 3: just do this when we rap filming. I called my dad,

982
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 3: I called my brother, I called my husband. I said,

983
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 3: she's on some bullshit. She's on some bullshit. I don't

984
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 3: know why she brought me here. I don't know why

985
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 3: she would do that. And collectively they're all like what,

986
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 3: there's no way she got on camera and said that.

987
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,720
Speaker 3: They did not believe me. I said, on my children,

988
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 3: this is what she just got in here and said.

989
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 3: And you know you're wrong, which is why you let

990
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 3: it with. I don't mean to pride, but you're being messy.

991
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,720
Speaker 3: You are being so messy right now for what reason?

992
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 3: There was a thousand things we could have talked about.

993
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 3: If we're you guys sold me on the idea that

994
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 3: you're trying to bring back basketball wives, you're trying to

995
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 3: bring it back into the fold and talk about the

996
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 3: things in the NBA and so on and so forth.

997
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 3: Why are we not talking about that? What does my

998
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 3: ex and whatever we have going on with my minor

999
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 3: daughter have to do with right now today?

1000
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 4: Did you confront your mom after the scene was over?

1001
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Are you serious?

1002
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 4: No?

1003
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 3: Banna I did, I said, Mom, So you mean to

1004
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 3: tell me that we haven't had multiple discussion. Well, I

1005
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 3: didn't know that. I was just saying it so I

1006
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 3: could just get it out the way.

1007
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 2: Because one thing that and this is me being rial

1008
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 2: with you.

1009
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 4: One thing that all of us collectively who watch the

1010
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 4: show and love your mom's personality on this show, is

1011
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 4: your mother knows your mother is a great reality star.

1012
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 4: Absolutely right. Yeah, so we know that your mother has

1013
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 4: ability to bring up stuff, or say stuff, or do

1014
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 4: stuff for the entertainment of the show.

1015
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 2: So in that moment, you felt like this, you're playing

1016
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 2: up for the cameras.

1017
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 3: You're planning up for the cameras with me, your blood daughter,

1018
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 3: who were supposed to be This storyline is that we

1019
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 3: are rebuilding and you know I'm living in the same

1020
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 3: building you're able to do. You get what I'm saying,

1021
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 3: like that is the plan, And then you come in

1022
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 3: here and you throw me under the bus like I'm

1023
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 3: one of your castmates. I don't really understand where you're

1024
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,919
Speaker 3: coming from, got it? But now going forward, you still

1025
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 3: want my loyalty, You still want me to hold you

1026
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 3: in this high regard and paint this picture that everything

1027
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 3: is great between us. I'm not doing that. That's not

1028
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 3: what you're gonna get from me. But even still, even

1029
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 3: after that, there were still multiple scenes where I tried,

1030
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 3: I really just I'm just gonna fight the bullet. I'm

1031
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 3: just not gonna feed into it. I'm just gonna She

1032
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 3: had a photo shoot. I went and supported her. I wasn't.

1033
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 3: I didn't come on camera and melt down about that.

1034
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 3: I didn't say how dare you do that? I let

1035
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 3: it die in hopes that they're never going to use this,

1036
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 3: like maybe they just won't even pay it no mind

1037
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 3: and just go on right. But because this is my

1038
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 3: first go round as a cast member, I decided ultimately

1039
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 3: later on in the season to bring it into the

1040
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 3: fold and to say listen, so that there's nothing nobody

1041
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 3: can come and put no card down on the table

1042
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 3: for me. This is what I'm dealing with. I am

1043
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 3: going through custody case. I am trying to get approved

1044
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 3: of relocation. I do have judges and so on and

1045
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 3: so forth in my life. This is what's happening. Because

1046
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 3: I don't know what they're gonna use, but I know

1047
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 3: that you as the mega incredible reality star that you

1048
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 3: are you know the way that this game goes, So

1049
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 3: to do me like that, I just I really couldn't

1050
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 3: stomach it. And I think that that coupled with and

1051
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 3: this is also something that I've never talked about publicly,

1052
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 3: and I don't know if she will feel a way

1053
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 3: about me doing this. But off camera, on the way

1054
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 3: to Hawaii, Jackie tried to get Brandy to bring some

1055
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,959
Speaker 3: tea about me from a mutual friend that they had

1056
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 3: a mutual friend that Jackie and Brandy had came to

1057
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 3: Brandy and said, I got some tea on Jackie's daughter.

1058
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 3: Now the tea was ice cold, he said, I was

1059
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 3: a Lisbie. I'm not, but I can go ahead and

1060
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 3: put that out there. She tried to get Brandy to

1061
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 3: bring it into the fold. Brandy told her no. At

1062
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 3: the airport on the boat scene where you see her

1063
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,439
Speaker 3: sitting there, she tries to get Brandy to do it again.

1064
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 3: Now this time it's on camera and Brandy's yelling at

1065
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 3: her and we're like, what is going on in Brand's

1066
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 3: going no, Jackie, I'm not doing it. No, Jackie, I'm

1067
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,439
Speaker 3: not doing it. After the fact, it's shared with me that, yeah,

1068
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 3: she wanted me to bring this tea about you to

1069
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:34,959
Speaker 3: the show. Oh so you're playing a really dirty game

1070
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 3: right now, and because you've been doing this so long,

1071
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 3: you know I'm gonna get her to the point of

1072
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 3: no return. She's gonna give this season all she's got

1073
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 3: because she really don't have no filter and she really

1074
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 3: don't care about these cameras, and she really doesn't I'm

1075
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 3: not articulate in that way. Maybe I'm well spoken, but

1076
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 3: when I'm mad, I'm mad. I'm not finna sit here

1077
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 3: and play with nobody. I get that that's what y'all

1078
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 3: like to do, but I don't like to do that.

1079
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 3: I told Brandy that in Vegas, everybody don't play like that.

1080
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 3: I know that that's what you guys are used to,

1081
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 3: but I don't play like that. So maybe this isn't

1082
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 3: the platform for me. Maybe this isn't the space for

1083
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 3: me because I'm not about to play with y'all. That's

1084
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 3: not Listen. Once you guys finally see as the viewers

1085
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 3: me get to Hawaii. Now, I have you bringing up

1086
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 3: my daughter's father. I have you trying to bring messy

1087
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 3: t via Brandy to this platform. I have later on

1088
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 3: in the Hawaii trip, you telling Jennifer that you would

1089
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 3: have grandparents' rights to my kids. Now, how messy is

1090
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:48,959
Speaker 3: that of you to say when you know that I'm

1091
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 3: in court right now. All of these things are coming

1092
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 3: at me and I'm still sitting here trying to take it, like,

1093
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 3: do not take it there with this, lady, I don't

1094
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 3: care how you feel. I don't care. Like I made

1095
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 3: a promise to myself, to my husband, to my children,

1096
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 3: to my father before I came on this show. I'm

1097
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 3: not gonna get on here and show my ass. I'm

1098
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 3: not gonna do it. I've watched you do it season

1099
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 3: after season. I don't want to go along with that narrative.

1100
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 3: I don't want people to say, oh, the Apple dom

1101
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 3: far far from the tree and everything that they've been

1102
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 3: saying about me. Now, I never wanted this, but I'm

1103
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 3: also not gonna let nobody play in my face. So

1104
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 3: if that means that this is what I have to

1105
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 3: wear and y'all don't understand where I'm coming from, that's okay.

1106
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 3: That's okay with me because I know what led up

1107
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 3: to this point, and the cast members and castmates and

1108
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 3: producers and so they all saw it in real time.

1109
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 3: So if you want to come out now at this

1110
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 3: point and offer Jackie an apology because of the way

1111
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 3: that this fight was relayed. I understand it and I

1112
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 3: respect it, But to say that y'all didn't see in

1113
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 3: real time what she was doing to me on and

1114
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 3: off camera, this has been a tough pill to swallow. Man,

1115
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 3: this is crazy.

1116
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 4: So it sounds to me, again going back to the

1117
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 4: dynamic between you and your mom, it sounded to me like, like.

1118
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 2: You said earlier, the little girl.

1119
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 4: Resurfaced again when your mother caught you off guard by

1120
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 4: bringing us something on camera that you two talked about

1121
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 4: not bringing up absolutely and then obviously your mother allegedly

1122
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 4: hearing something told Brandy bringing up Branny said, no, Brandy

1123
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 4: tells you. Is that when you started to unravel and

1124
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 4: the loyalty was gone? Because is that when you started

1125
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 4: to say, well, Brandy, Jackie said, it's about you.

1126
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 3: Well, what people don't understand and they always say, well,

1127
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 3: why didn't you protect her when Brittany was going in

1128
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 3: on her. I'm not protecting nobody. That's not protecting me.

1129
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 3: This whole time that we're here in Vegas, you're on

1130
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 3: the phone with me when we're not filming. I wasn't

1131
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 3: staying at the house. I got a house separate from

1132
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 3: them so that I could be with my kids. I

1133
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 3: brought them to Vegas. You're on the phone with me

1134
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 3: between these scenes. Yeah, because Brandy this and Brandy that.

1135
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 3: You're talking down on her, no matter what you said,

1136
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 3: I don't even have to repeat what you said, right,

1137
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 3: But then you get on camera and you're grabbing Brandy

1138
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 3: by the hand. Sis, I know you've been dealing with

1139
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 3: a lot, and I know now that shit is rubbing

1140
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 3: me the wrong way. You're playing a very dirty game.

1141
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 3: If you don't want to get in between it, then

1142
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 3: don't get in between it. There's eight other women here

1143
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 3: that you could talk to, but you want to sit

1144
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 3: here and buddy up to Brandy when you already know

1145
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 3: I feel some sort of way about this person. Why

1146
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 3: Because if the roles was reversed and I did that,

1147
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 3: if this was last season when Evelyn called you whatever

1148
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 3: she called you and brought up whatever she brought and

1149
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 3: I was doing that with her, you would feel some

1150
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 3: sort of way. But I'm behind the scenes telling you, yeah,

1151
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,919
Speaker 3: that's real tacky of her, and I just can't. You're

1152
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 3: playing a very messy game and maybe you weren't prepared

1153
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 3: for somebody that really knows you to come on here

1154
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 3: and work alongside of you. And maybe when you offered me,

1155
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 3: or you brought this opportunity to my door, you weren't

1156
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 3: prepared for the way that I was coming. But anybody

1157
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 3: that knows me knows I really do not play like that.

1158
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,439
Speaker 3: I don't play for these cameras. I could honestly care

1159
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 3: less about any of I could have been ducked off

1160
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 3: living on a farm. I wasn't bothering nobody. What did

1161
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 3: you bring me here for? Just to do this? So

1162
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 3: now I've become one of your castmates, and you're willing

1163
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 3: to throw me under the bus and do me dirty

1164
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 3: like you're willing to do everybody else. But you want

1165
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 3: me to show you loyalty. You want me to stand

1166
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 3: up for you because you and Brittany got into it. No,

1167
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,439
Speaker 3: I'm actually not going to do that, because, respectfully, she's

1168
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 3: the only one spoke up for me and said anything.

1169
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 3: Whether I met her ten minutes ago or I've known

1170
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 3: her ten years, that's who spoke up for me. Why

1171
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 3: are you so mad at her? You're getting defensive because

1172
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 3: now now you see somebody else that's not just your

1173
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 3: daughter that's saying this. Now, somebody that don't really know

1174
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 3: neither one of y'all like that, is saying, Jackie, something's

1175
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 3: wrong with this picture. I don't really like what's going

1176
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 3: on here, and and now you want to jump over

1177
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 3: couches and carrying on. But you can sit here with

1178
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 3: the same person who Now mind you to give you

1179
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 3: a bit of backstory on the Brandy thing. People say

1180
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 3: that I started poking at her what they didn't show

1181
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 3: you guys when we were in that room and I

1182
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 3: said this to me, I said this to Denise and

1183
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 3: whoever I think baby Evelyn was in the room. I said,

1184
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask Brandy personally when we sit down at

1185
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 3: the dinner table, like what's t why, Like why would

1186
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 3: you invite Jennifer here when you know her in Evelynce dynamic.

1187
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 3: Now I get everybody saying, well, why would you get

1188
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 3: in it? You didn't know we're filming a TV show.

1189
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 3: If I don't say nothing, y'all gonna say, Oh, you're

1190
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 3: sitting there quiet as a church bouse. Do you get

1191
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 3: what I'm saying? You damned if you don't. Yes, I'm

1192
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 3: saying I set out my mouth. I'm gonna ask Brandy directly.

1193
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 3: I'm not sitting here being messy with y'all. That's not

1194
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 3: what I'm doing at all. I think it's crazy that

1195
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 3: she did that. I'm going to ask her directly. Before

1196
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 3: I had the opportunity to do that, Brandy comes barreling

1197
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 3: around the corner with all the smoke for everybody in

1198
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 3: the room. I get it you feel some sort of way,

1199
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 3: you feel like we was around the corner talking about you.

1200
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 3: But as for me, I said I was going to

1201
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 3: ask you directly. You just didn't give me that opportunity

1202
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 3: to So once we all make our way out to

1203
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 3: the living room, the only person out of everybody that

1204
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 3: was in the room you have smoke for is me

1205
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 3: because I asked a very logical question, why did you

1206
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 3: invite her here? Is this not the same thing that

1207
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 3: you did last season when you invited Jackie to Brooks event.

1208
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 3: So you do have a track record of doing this,

1209
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 3: and I am asking you what's up? But I didn't

1210
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 3: go picking with her. And regardless if in that moment

1211
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 3: my mom wants to see that I can hold my

1212
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 3: own I can. If this is on an audition for you,

1213
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 3: and you just sitting there. She's sitting there with a

1214
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 3: water bottle full of Titos like this, watching like everybody else. Okay,

1215
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 3: you don't have to say nothing. You don't have to

1216
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 3: insert yourself. You don't got to ask Brandy what her

1217
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 3: issue is or why she got all this smoke for

1218
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 3: me and nobody else. Maybe this was my freshman hazing,

1219
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 3: and y'all wanted to see how I would handle it.

1220
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 3: I don't care what they showed on that episode. I

1221
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 3: handled myself very well. I get how it was cutting

1222
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 3: spliced together, but I think that we walked away from

1223
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:27,919
Speaker 3: there with everybody on the same page that Okay, ain't

1224
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 3: go back down like I'm not gonna hold you. That

1225
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 3: was the general consensus. You understand, Oh, I totally understand.

1226
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 4: Listen, when I look at basketball, Yes, the reason why

1227
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 4: it's such an interesting subculture amongst other reality shows is

1228
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 4: because to me, it is about.

1229
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 2: This very unique, you know, organizing.

1230
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 4: Subculture principle to where we're all in some form of

1231
01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 4: fashion can relate on being associated, past or present of athletes,

1232
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 4: and it is sort of like I listen, I'll say,

1233
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 4: I do feel like by proxy of just the show, right,

1234
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 4: it's nobody's thought of it's all. I think it's a

1235
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 4: subculture of basketball lives. Newbies get hazed. I think that's

1236
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 4: what it is. And again, I've watched the show since

1237
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 4: day one. I think that's just the nature of the show.

1238
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 4: I can see your point being like everybody like, well,

1239
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 4: this little bitch can handle her all and cheers of

1240
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 4: the girls weekend like bitch.

1241
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 3: Okay. So now we work our way through the Now,

1242
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 3: mind you, we're in Vegas for several days. Over the

1243
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 3: course of the breakfast the next morning, Brandy's making little comments.

1244
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 3: You see, I'm laughing. I'm not really feeding into it

1245
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 3: because I'm not even gonna take it there because I

1246
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 3: can I can already see now. I know that behind

1247
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 3: the scenes, Brandy has already kind of established chantell No,

1248
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 3: I'm just playing, right, She know I'm not real right, No,

1249
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 3: I don't know that you're not playing. I think that

1250
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 3: you're dead serious. And now every time I see you,

1251
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 3: I have a problem like That's That's how I'm feeling

1252
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 3: in that moment. Obviously, later on throughout the season, I

1253
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 3: was able to talk to Brandy and kind of get

1254
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 3: a better understanding of her, and we just acknowledge. You're

1255
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 3: a may Gemini, I'm a June Gemini, and we just

1256
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 3: say it's just oil of water. You get what I'm saying.

1257
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 3: But I think that the picture that was painted, and

1258
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 3: I can understand how viewers took this from the scenes,

1259
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 3: is that I'm telling her that I'm telling my mom,

1260
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 3: don't say anything on my behalf, just be quiet. That

1261
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:34,600
Speaker 3: actually isn't what I said. I said I can handle myself.

1262
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 1: I can.

1263
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 3: I mean no, like, I can take care of this.

1264
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 3: It's not a problem. Like you don't even got to

1265
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 3: wory about it. You don't even if you don't want

1266
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 3: to do it on your own, you don't have to

1267
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 3: ask me for permission.

1268
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 4: Right.

1269
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 3: You see her coming for me for no apparent reason.

1270
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 3: And I think where the lines get blurred is that

1271
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 3: people are saying, well, you put boundaries in place. I

1272
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 3: put boundaries in place for things like her not telling

1273
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 3: my personal business. I put boundaries in place for her

1274
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 3: not showing up to my apartment all hours the day

1275
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 3: and night, coming in like that. Those are the boundaries

1276
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 3: I'm speaking of. This has nothing to do with this

1277
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 3: lady that you've known for all of these years. Keep

1278
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:10,759
Speaker 3: coming for me for no apparent reason. You're sitting within

1279
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 3: arm's reach of this lady, you sharing this bread basket

1280
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 3: like you are sending me. You are infuriating me at

1281
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 3: this point, because why are you You just got off

1282
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 3: the phone calling you If you don't want to involve yourself,

1283
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 3: don't involve yourself. But don't sit here and fake kiss

1284
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 3: Brandy's ass on this camera and make me look crazy.

1285
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 3: If this is how you feel about Brandy, just hold that.

1286
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,719
Speaker 3: There's eight other women here, mean Ti, Denise, Brittany, Evelyn,

1287
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 3: Shawnee that you could talk to, pick with, converse with,

1288
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 3: et cetera. Why are you going for the person that

1289
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,640
Speaker 3: you know I feel some sort of way about, and that,

1290
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 3: according to you off camera, you feel some sort of

1291
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 3: way about. But I look crazy. No, No, we're not

1292
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 3: We're we're not gonna do that' gonna do that. So

1293
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 3: then to get to the lounge, where she eventually jumps

1294
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,799
Speaker 3: over the couch. As soon as I walked into the scene,

1295
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 3: she grabbed Brandy's hands. She says, Sis, you know I

1296
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 3: wanted to bring us all here tonight because you know,

1297
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 3: I know that you've been going through a lot that

1298
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 3: if you see my face, yeah, I'm like, I know

1299
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 3: you ring like, I get that this is a show.

1300
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 3: I get you've been doing this for so long and everything.

1301
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 3: But if this is how you were gonna play, why

1302
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 3: did you call me here? You could have done this

1303
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 3: with any of the other girls. Why would you bring

1304
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 3: me here knowing that our relationship is not the best already?

1305
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 3: Did you think I was gonna feed into it? Did

1306
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 3: you think that I had changed overnight and that I

1307
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 3: had become someone that was going to play right along

1308
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 3: with you? You know I'm not, so.

1309
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 4: It was it was challenging for you to I now

1310
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 4: have a greater understanding of this. On one end, your

1311
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 4: mother and you know her, yes, and you know the actions,

1312
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 4: the mannerism and all that of your mom, plus the

1313
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 4: conversations you guys are having on camera, and then once

1314
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:14,480
Speaker 4: the camera's on, you're seeing a very different person courtesy

1315
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 4: of what you're saying to me off camera isn't matching

1316
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 4: things on camera. And because you're like, I'm here to

1317
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 4: be my authentic self, you're leaving their confused and you

1318
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 4: just don't know how to navigate through this. And then

1319
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 4: all of this, obviously has been a built up from

1320
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 4: the first scene bring up, your estranged relationship with your

1321
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 4: daughter's father, and then everything just sort of like piled up,

1322
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 4: piled up, piled up, and you probably felt like you

1323
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 4: were in the twilight zone. I was.

1324
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 3: I was spiraling now, mind you, I'm nine months postpartum

1325
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 3: at this point, I'm going through postpartum depression. I'm dealing.

1326
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 3: I had so much on me and that does in

1327
01:11:56,160 --> 01:12:00,080
Speaker 3: no way excuse my behavior. But I'm hoping that that

1328
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 3: this interview will help people better understand where my mindset was.

1329
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 3: It didn't just happen overnight. We're filming over the course

1330
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 3: of several months, through the holidays and everything else, and

1331
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 3: at every turn you're taking the opportunity to play in

1332
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 3: my face. And never once off camera did you come

1333
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 3: to me and just say, you know what, I was

1334
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 3: dead wrong, like I apologize, I'm gonna do better going forward. Never,

1335
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 3: not once did she ever tell you like girl that's

1336
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 3: TV show. No, Brandy the only one that told me that.

1337
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 3: So it was very hard for me to accept. And

1338
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 3: I think that when I finally get to Hawaii and

1339
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 3: I'm coming in on ten and I'm asking her, did

1340
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 3: you call me impressionable? That came from Vegas? The whole

1341
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 3: cast and production. Everybody else is staying in the same house.

1342
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 3: When these cameras are not rolling, there are a lot

1343
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 3: of conversations that happen off camera. You guys are all

1344
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 3: conjoined in here in this living room talking about these scenarios,

1345
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 3: and you're telling this group of women who don't know

1346
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,719
Speaker 3: me and these produce well, yeah, you know, because Shanny,

1347
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 3: she's very impressionable, and so you just gotta, you know,

1348
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 3: kind of just keep an eye out, basically hold on out.

1349
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,600
Speaker 3: Of all of your kids, you know that I'm the

1350
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 3: least impressionable. You're saying things that you know are going

1351
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:19,759
Speaker 3: to send me off. And if that was you wearing

1352
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 3: your producer hat and hoping to get good TV.

1353
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 4: Here we are when your mom kept leaving seen by

1354
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:32,640
Speaker 4: seeing by seeing by scenes off. No, I don't know.

1355
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm asking because again, even on my recap,

1356
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 4: and I'm glad you watched it, I kept saying, I'm

1357
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 4: only going to base this recap off of what you

1358
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 4: say what I saw, because I the beauty of my

1359
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 4: podcast is I am a producer and I know that

1360
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 4: you can't show everything. So I kept saying what I'm

1361
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 4: seeing with Jackie is every time the conversation is about

1362
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 4: her daughter, she walks up to leave.

1363
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 2: Was that just to play the audience, you think?

1364
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 3: Or one thousand percent? And that's why when I released

1365
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 3: my statement, I said, this was a masterclass in narcissism.

1366
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 3: You are dealing with someone who has been doing this

1367
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 3: for the past decade. She is very good at her job.

1368
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 3: That's why so many people love her. I don't take

1369
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 3: that away from her. You are a mega reality star

1370
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 3: in every shape and fashion you are when you think

1371
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 3: of basketball wives, you think of Jackie Christy. I will

1372
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 3: never take that away from her. But because you have

1373
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 3: been doing this long enough, I know that you know

1374
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 3: what you're doing. On top of the fact, you're taking

1375
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:39,839
Speaker 3: a page out of my book in the previous seasons

1376
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 3: that I haven't been on, and you're calling me after

1377
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 3: the fact, I'm giving you this advice, Mom, if you

1378
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 3: just get up and walk away from there, they'll just

1379
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 3: be sitting there screaming in an empty room. Just get

1380
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 3: up and walk away from the table. And now you're

1381
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 3: gonna wait till I get on here and use my

1382
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 3: advice against me. Oh, Carlos, I was spiraling. I'm not

1383
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 3: even gonna hold you watching that back, I'm like, girl,

1384
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 3: you was melting down. You was just you were just

1385
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 3: I was just losing it because I just couldn't believe,

1386
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 3: like you really gonna get on here and play, and

1387
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:09,640
Speaker 3: out of all of the years, you never get up

1388
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 3: and walk away. Everybody knows you are willing to engage.

1389
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 3: You're gonna throw French fries, drinks, whatever, You're gonna sit

1390
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,600
Speaker 3: here and do this back and forth all day. But

1391
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 3: now that you know, wait a minute, I got to

1392
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:21,720
Speaker 3: write where I want her. She's so mad, she ain't

1393
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 3: gonna be able to articulate herself. She's gonna be sitting

1394
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 3: here spot. I'm just gonna get up and walk out.

1395
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 4: I took that as I'm not gonna give the audience

1396
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 4: a moment between me and my daughter. Okay, well that's

1397
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:36,720
Speaker 4: so you're saying that that was because that's how we

1398
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 4: all took it. We all took it that she is

1399
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 4: walking away from the audience seeing.

1400
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 2: A dispute between mother and daughter. That's how we took it.

1401
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 3: If in your heart you really do believe that, why

1402
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 3: do you keep coming back to film? If you know

1403
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 3: that I'm gonna be here and you know that this

1404
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 3: is gonna be the topic. If you really felt like,

1405
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 3: I'm not engaging in this in any way, shape, fashion,

1406
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:00,679
Speaker 3: or form. I'm not gonna discuss me and my child

1407
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,440
Speaker 3: and so on and so forth, why do you continue

1408
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 3: to engage? Why do you continue to come and show up?

1409
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 3: Never once did you say, if Shanny's gonna be there,

1410
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be there. If this is going

1411
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 3: to be the topic of discussion, I'm not filming. You

1412
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 3: can pull your trump card. You can be that one.

1413
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 3: You have earned that position on this show to be

1414
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 3: able to call the shots and kind of say how

1415
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 3: you want things to go. Now. You may not be

1416
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 3: executive producer, but you are Jackie Christie. You showing up

1417
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 3: just like I'm showing up. But I'm the one that

1418
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 3: looks crazy because you get me right to that point

1419
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 3: where I start to ask the very logical questions and

1420
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 3: you know where I'm going with this. Did you call

1421
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 3: me impressionable when we were in Vegas? Was you talking

1422
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 3: about Brandy? She knows I'm a very logical person. I'm

1423
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 3: going to ask, and I know everybody was eating me

1424
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 3: up because I used rhetorical wrong. I did, I did.

1425
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 3: I definitely did watch it back I said, well, I

1426
01:16:57,439 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 3: didn't go to college, so.

1427
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 1: I got that ate me up.

1428
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sorry, I need to do better next time.

1429
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 3: But the point is that because you know that you've

1430
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 3: got me to this point of like's not she knows

1431
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,600
Speaker 3: me in a lot of ways, right, you know that

1432
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be able to properly articulate myself

1433
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:26,719
Speaker 3: because now I'm mad. Now I'm not worried about story.

1434
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 3: I'm not worried about buttoning this up. I'm not worried

1435
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 3: about explaining it to the viewers. Now I'm just looking

1436
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 3: at you, mother to daughter, like, are you serious? Right now?

1437
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 2: I now have a greater understanding of all of this.

1438
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 2: I don't know why all of.

1439
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 4: A sudden this hit me too, which is strange, but

1440
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 4: it just has your mother, your birth mom.

1441
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 2: This is your mother where you two have had a

1442
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 2: very complicated relationship.

1443
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:00,640
Speaker 4: You're now on a shove where your mother, as you

1444
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 4: have admitted, your mother is the Lesiondary one of the

1445
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 4: greatest reality stars of all time. Because to be a

1446
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 4: reality star icon there is a certain level of experience

1447
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 4: where you're able to know cameras on move a certain way.

1448
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 2: And I now understand that I have no idea whatever.

1449
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,480
Speaker 4: Feel like if a daughter comes on her mother's platform

1450
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 4: that she has excelled at from day one, and you're in, yes.

1451
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 2: I played here and there.

1452
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 4: Of the seasons we did that, boom boom, But this

1453
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 4: is a full time job.

1454
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 2: You asked me to do it. I'm trying to like

1455
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 2: have a real moment.

1456
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 4: With you, and I now understand why you felt like

1457
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 4: at that time, I'm being played. And when your mother

1458
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 4: is sitting down and she's like trying to talk to you,

1459
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:55,800
Speaker 4: I now understand that for you, right or wrong. I'm

1460
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 4: not here judging you or your mom, but I now

1461
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 4: understand as you're sitting down wanting to have a real

1462
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:08,839
Speaker 4: conversation with your mother, your mother getting up was away

1463
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 4: in your mind at that time.

1464
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 2: You're playing in my face and you know this is

1465
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 2: going to get me to.

1466
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:20,719
Speaker 3: React, and you know that this is going to send

1467
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 3: me off. You are literally And the thing is that

1468
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 3: this She didn't get up and walk away one time,

1469
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:30,759
Speaker 3: This was multiple times repeatedly in Hawaii. Now off camera

1470
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 3: and on camera, all of the castmates are saying the

1471
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 3: same thing. That's messed up. As a mother, I wouldn't

1472
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 3: do that before any fight happened. You guys are acknowledging

1473
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 3: in real time what is wrong with this that you

1474
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 3: you don't want to be held accountable or you don't

1475
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 3: want to have real conversations, so you're choosing to get

1476
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 3: up and walk away. Before I got to the point

1477
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,720
Speaker 3: of speaking to her so disrespectfully on that last night

1478
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 3: in Hawaii, I was actually very calm. I know it

1479
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 3: may not translate that way on camera. It may be

1480
01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 3: sliced different. I approach these conversations very calmly. I started

1481
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 3: asking very logical questions because I'm just trying to understand

1482
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 3: why are you doing this? You have all of these

1483
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 3: women sitting here at this table that you could play

1484
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:15,640
Speaker 3: this game with. Why are you doing this with me?

1485
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 3: And do you understand how far this can really go?

1486
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 3: Maybe in her mind she thought this is best case scenario.

1487
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 3: Me and my daughter can go back and forth. We

1488
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:25,600
Speaker 3: can have our little stat and it's never going to

1489
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 3: go further than that, not at thirty two, not as

1490
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 3: a wife and a mother.

1491
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 4: Of my own, but also not with and I'm gonna

1492
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 4: say this also, not with the built up, unhealed aggression

1493
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 4: that you have. And I think that's the missing piece

1494
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 4: of everything what I want. And again, I'm not here

1495
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 4: to defend you to the picture, mom. I'm here to

1496
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 4: have a real conversation and really extract what you're given

1497
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:55,640
Speaker 4: to me because I now see things very differently. I

1498
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 4: now understand as an unhealed woman, Yes, who's on a show?

1499
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:03,720
Speaker 2: Your mother? Who is the face of that shell? To me?

1500
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 2: Who plays that game perfectly? Your mother's a legend in

1501
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:10,759
Speaker 2: the game. Yeah, she's amazing.

1502
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 4: I now understand how an unhealed daughter can recognize that

1503
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 4: and feel confused.

1504
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 2: And now as we.

1505
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 4: Were in Hawaii and you guys are in your mother's

1506
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 4: hotel room. When you walked into that room, Chantelle, what

1507
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 4: was your sole intention that you wanted to get.

1508
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 2: Out of that conversation with your mother.

1509
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 3: I didn't go in there really with any intention. You

1510
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 3: have to understand that the confrontation that happened in the

1511
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 3: hotel room came right after sitting down on the terrace

1512
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:46,679
Speaker 3: and I had on the black suit. And she walked

1513
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 3: away and said, you know, when the when the teacher

1514
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 3: is ready or whatever, the student will appear, whatever it is.

1515
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 3: And she said, I know she was. She was reading

1516
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:55,679
Speaker 3: that before she walked in that scene because she wanted

1517
01:21:55,720 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 3: to come across very poised and like in exactly how

1518
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 3: she came across. You understand what I'm saying. I know

1519
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 3: that this was prepared in her mind. So when I

1520
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 3: went up to the room, I'm like, girl, what you

1521
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:12,599
Speaker 3: got for me today? Like I've already mentally checked out

1522
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 3: in my mind because you're playing. You don't want you

1523
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 3: called me up here to literally play into whatever narrative

1524
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 3: it is that you want these viewers to go with

1525
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 3: and send me on my way. We're not gonna get

1526
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 3: to any real resolution here. We're not gonna get to

1527
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 3: the nitty gritty of how we got to that point

1528
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 3: this season. So when she's asked me, well, baby, what

1529
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 3: is it and everything that you and Destin were saying?

1530
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 3: You're not asking me because you really want to know,

1531
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 3: you know what happened you were here. I'm not talking

1532
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 3: about my childhood. I'm talking about right now on this

1533
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 3: season today. Well, we weren't cool before this. I don't know,

1534
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 3: you tell me were we called before this? Because if

1535
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 3: we were so cool, why would you do that to me?

1536
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,639
Speaker 3: It's not adding up And now I am spiraling. Now

1537
01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:59,640
Speaker 3: I do feel crazy. Now, I do feel all of

1538
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 3: these things because what.

1539
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 4: No, So when she said get up and leave, and

1540
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 4: that's a much better exit.

1541
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 3: Again, you're in your producer role. You don't care that

1542
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 3: I'm your daughter. You don't care that I'm really for

1543
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 3: real upset in real life. You don't care all of

1544
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 3: the things that you've done to me leading up to this.

1545
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,680
Speaker 3: Now you're sitting here and you're producing this scene. That's

1546
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 3: a much better exit. M M okay, sweetie, Like, yeah,

1547
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 3: I am saying things to her, but do you not

1548
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:32,639
Speaker 3: realize that she's saying things back like ming said out

1549
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 3: of her own mouth, Jackie cannot be bullied. I was

1550
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 3: not bullying her. I treated her in a way that

1551
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 3: watching it as as a daughter, I shouldn't correct. I

1552
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 3: understand that. But this person is not innocent. She's not

1553
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 3: sitting here like this meek mother. That's like, why would

1554
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 3: you do this to me? Why are you treating me

1555
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 3: like this? You playing in my face like I'm a

1556
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 3: stranger in the streets. So I'm treating you the same way.

1557
01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 3: Why do I have to treat you? Why do I

1558
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 3: have to parent the parent? Why do I have to

1559
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 3: treat you with more respect than you give me? I

1560
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 3: understand now, through months of healing and therapy and all

1561
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 3: these things that I have a burden to be better.

1562
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 3: I understand that now, But in that moment, oh lady,

1563
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 3: oh my god, I just that was just a really

1564
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 3: that was a really heavy night for me. That was

1565
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 3: a really dark time. And I know that I didn't

1566
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 3: come to that place out of nowhere, and I didn't

1567
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 3: go into that scene. I didn't even come onto this

1568
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 3: season with the intent to embarrass Jackie, to trick her

1569
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 3: out or spot all these things that people are saying.

1570
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 3: That was never my intention.

1571
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 2: Calling her Jackie. That's y'all thing, Yes, okay.

1572
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 3: Which is why I'm like, now, mind you, y'all want

1573
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 3: to pick and choose me and get on live. And

1574
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 3: she call her mom VICKI and don't nobody blink twice.

1575
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:55,679
Speaker 3: But when I called Jackie Jackie, No, I call Jackie Jackie.

1576
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 3: At Christmas time, I called this just that's just our like,

1577
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 3: it's that's all child. Yes, it's never been in a

1578
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,640
Speaker 3: disrespectful way. I understand watching that. It's like, oh, she

1579
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 3: was yellinger and she called her Jackie. I answered the

1580
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 3: phone when we on good term, Jackie, what is it now,

1581
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 3: Like that's just our Okay, I want to.

1582
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 4: I'm my girl, Okay, so obviously listen when I when

1583
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,799
Speaker 4: I saw the moment of you and your mother's altercation,

1584
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 4: and I'm being very honest with you, and I even

1585
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 4: said this on my recap, I felt awful. I felt

1586
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:35,600
Speaker 4: awful as a viewer watching that because it was something like,

1587
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 4: I don't want to see this. I don't want to

1588
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:44,760
Speaker 4: see this. I felt that way as a viewer in

1589
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 4: that moment. Of course, people are saying, Chantelle, you deserve it.

1590
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 4: You pushed your mother, and people are missaying, Shantail, your

1591
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:59,759
Speaker 4: mother should have done worse to you when that happened,

1592
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 4: when you're mother, and I want to, I want did

1593
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 4: she make contact with you?

1594
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 3: She didn't. She pushed me into the camera like she

1595
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 3: bawled up her fists and kind of tried to like

1596
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 3: she was aiming for my head. But because I ducked

1597
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 3: out the way I fell into the camera, man, that's

1598
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:18,720
Speaker 3: how the finger ended up bleeding. Like it wasn't. There

1599
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 3: was no real contact that was made other than her

1600
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:25,759
Speaker 3: pushing me into the camera. Her intention was to probably

1601
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 3: sack me in between the washer and dryer or whatever

1602
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 3: day on here to stand. But that's not the way

1603
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:32,640
Speaker 3: that that happened. It didn't land I wasn't as you

1604
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 3: see in the next scene, like nothing, it didn't happen.

1605
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 2: Then why did you go back and tell the girl

1606
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:38,680
Speaker 2: she hit you?

1607
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 3: I think that for me, and what I want people

1608
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 3: to understand is I can see how it looks like

1609
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 3: I was a liar when I left that scene and

1610
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 3: I went back down there and I explained to the

1611
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:52,840
Speaker 3: women what happened. This is fifteen twenty minutes after this

1612
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 3: altercation with my mom. Now, should I have left that

1613
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 3: room and went to my own Absolutely, that should have

1614
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 3: been the end of it. Right. But as a producer,

1615
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 3: I think you can understand sometimes when you're in the

1616
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:08,800
Speaker 3: moment and you're we're filming this show with you got

1617
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:11,600
Speaker 3: the mic on, like you're trying to kind of complete

1618
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 3: this story, if that makes sense.

1619
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 2: No, with us, listen, things get cloudy and and again,

1620
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:17,559
Speaker 2: I'm just being real.

1621
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 4: And that's why it's the beauty of this podcast, because

1622
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 4: I am a producer. Anytime a big altercation happened on

1623
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 4: any of my shows, right, what I need y'all to

1624
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 4: understand is cast member called to ask for a play

1625
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 4: by play because things happen so fast that you don't

1626
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 4: remember things, and sometimes you just it happened so fast.

1627
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,440
Speaker 4: So I will say this, and I'm not making no excuses.

1628
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 4: As a producer from Pillow Talk on Land of Housewives,

1629
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:44,680
Speaker 4: all the girls called me and said what happened? To

1630
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 4: love and to hip hop? They all call me be like, now,

1631
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 4: what really went down?

1632
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 2: Because it is cloudy? So I will say that does

1633
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 2: happen yet?

1634
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 4: So at that moment, did you feel like when you

1635
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 4: walk back and told them she hit me? Is because

1636
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 4: you thought she hit you? Or did did the memory

1637
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 4: of the she didn't make contact with you?

1638
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 3: Like?

1639
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:05,640
Speaker 2: What was?

1640
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,640
Speaker 3: I think it was all very blurry for me, And

1641
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:12,679
Speaker 3: I think that I led with she swung on me, yes,

1642
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 3: I And I think that that it morphed into she

1643
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 3: really put her hands on me because I was just

1644
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 3: I was just in disbelief that you really balled up

1645
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 3: your fists and tried to aim for my head like

1646
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 3: I was a stranger in the streets simply because I

1647
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 3: pushed you off of me. And I feel like that's

1648
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:33,640
Speaker 3: what the viewers are. They're being wilfully ignorant in this way.

1649
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 3: You put your hand on my elbow knowing that I'm upset,

1650
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 3: whether you were trying to usher me out the room

1651
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 3: or not, whether I should have left out the door

1652
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 3: or not. As my mother, you know that I'm upset.

1653
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 3: You know that touching me is going to send me off.

1654
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:52,600
Speaker 3: You're trying to not sun me, but you're trying to

1655
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:54,719
Speaker 3: come on, let's get Do you get what I'm saying?

1656
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 3: And because I've already made up at my mind that

1657
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 3: this is the game that you're playing, and this is

1658
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 3: the narrative that you're going with, like don't like watch out,

1659
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 3: don't do that? You get what I'm saying. I see

1660
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 3: now how that push looks like, well, girl, you started

1661
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 3: in and you deserve everything that was coming to you.

1662
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 3: That is not how I felt in that moment, and

1663
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 3: that's still not how I feel today. Should I have

1664
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 3: pushed her, Absolutely not. I will never I don't want

1665
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 3: my kids to put their hands on me. I do

1666
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 3: I want my kids to treat me that way?

1667
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:21,680
Speaker 2: No?

1668
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 3: But will I do to my kids what my mom

1669
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 3: has done to me?

1670
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:25,560
Speaker 2: No?

1671
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 3: So I guess we'll never know. But I know that

1672
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 3: in that moment, I felt like, don't touch me, like

1673
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 3: you hear me say, don't touch me now, whether or

1674
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 3: not y'all want to acknowledge that her hand was on

1675
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 3: my elbow, whether or not you want to acknowledge that

1676
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:43,800
Speaker 3: I'm upset and I'm angry, and I'm just you can

1677
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 3: see that I'm spirally. Never once did she say, you

1678
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 3: know what, cut the cameras, this is enough. Nothing you're

1679
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 3: playing into this too. Never once did you say all

1680
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 3: bets are off, this is enough. We both could have

1681
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 3: said that, and neither one of us did. I know

1682
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 3: my reason for it, because in my mind, at this

1683
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 3: big age, I'm finally standing up to this person that

1684
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 3: I have all of this anger towards. I'm not backing down.

1685
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 3: If that means that this has to be here on

1686
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:12,760
Speaker 3: this stage in front of all these people, I don't care,

1687
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 3: because I know that I'm confronting this problem in my

1688
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 3: life for once. But for you, who clearly you take

1689
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 3: this as a game, you could have removed yourself from

1690
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:28,840
Speaker 3: this situation, you sitting here on the couch, scrolling on

1691
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:34,640
Speaker 3: your phone, waiting for the next showdown. But I'm the

1692
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 3: problem because a lot of us, in specifically black households,

1693
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 3: are raised to believe or are raised on the belief

1694
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:47,799
Speaker 3: do as I say not as I do. Have respect

1695
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:49,559
Speaker 3: for your parents at all times. It doesn't matter what

1696
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:52,559
Speaker 3: they say what they do. I think that there's a

1697
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:55,640
Speaker 3: new generation of kids and adults that are coming and

1698
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:59,639
Speaker 3: that are happening that are not going for that anymore.

1699
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:02,800
Speaker 3: I need to respect you because you're my parent, but

1700
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:07,519
Speaker 3: you have got to give me something to respect. Why

1701
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:09,559
Speaker 3: do I have to respect you just because of your

1702
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:15,679
Speaker 3: title mother, father, sister, brother, cousin, husband. It does I'm

1703
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 3: not going to accept anybody else's toxic behavior simply because

1704
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 3: of their title. I'm not doing it if that means

1705
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 3: that I'm a messed up person. If that's how y'all

1706
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 3: want to view me, I'll be okay. The sun will

1707
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 3: rise tomorrow. I'm gonna get Up'm gonna take my kids

1708
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:34,639
Speaker 3: to school. I'm gonna make my husband like I'm gonna

1709
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:36,559
Speaker 3: go on about my life because I know my truth

1710
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:38,680
Speaker 3: and I know my intentions. If I had came on

1711
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:41,800
Speaker 3: here with the intent to embarrass her, to out her,

1712
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 3: to talk down about her, et cetera, maybe I would

1713
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:50,799
Speaker 3: feel embarrassed or like, damn, like she really foiled my plans.

1714
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:52,800
Speaker 3: Everybody's saying, oh, you came on here with the intent

1715
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 3: to embarrass your mom and you failed. I didn't fail.

1716
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 3: I free myself.

1717
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:00,639
Speaker 2: They didn't fail.

1718
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 3: This wasn't the goal. But I addressed a dragon in

1719
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 3: my life, and I can walk away from the situation

1720
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:10,760
Speaker 3: knowing that I handled it the best I could. And

1721
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:13,680
Speaker 3: until you're in that situation, you cannot tell me how

1722
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:20,200
Speaker 3: to feel. You really can't. What people fail to realize,

1723
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:24,000
Speaker 3: and I shared this with some of the girl's off camera,

1724
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 3: is that when I was twenty seven, I've always had

1725
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:31,519
Speaker 3: really bad migraines and headaches. I went to the doctor,

1726
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 3: I got MRIs and all these scans and the neurologists

1727
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 3: came back with you have an aneurysm on the right

1728
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:42,800
Speaker 3: side of your brain. This is something that obviously my

1729
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 3: parents are aware of. I've told all of my close

1730
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 3: loved ones, like, you know, if something ever happens to me,

1731
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 3: like it could be that you just never know. Like

1732
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 3: so for me one, we know that I've tried for

1733
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:58,759
Speaker 3: the last five years to live a very stress free life.

1734
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 3: That's why I was out there the way. So why

1735
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 3: wasn't in nobody's blogs. That's why I wasn't doing I

1736
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:05,679
Speaker 3: was just out the way, living a very peaceful life.

1737
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 3: You brought me here, you stress me to the point

1738
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:21,400
Speaker 3: of disbelief, and then you aim for my head. Yeah,

1739
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:24,400
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna wear what they're putting on me. I'm

1740
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 3: not gonna do that, Carlos. I'm not. If that means

1741
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 3: that they feel like I'm not taking accountability or whatever,

1742
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 3: that's okay with me. I take accountability for where I

1743
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:35,640
Speaker 3: went wrong. Maybe I never should have gone up to

1744
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 3: the room when she asked for the conversation. Undoubtedly I

1745
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:41,360
Speaker 3: should have walked out the door when I was standing

1746
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 3: at it. I understand that. But nobody can tell me

1747
01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 3: how to handle pain that they have not experienced. It

1748
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:58,519
Speaker 3: is a different, triggering, crazy circumstance to be in. When

1749
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 3: you're in it, it's so easy to sit there, turn

1750
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:05,640
Speaker 3: on a TV every Monday. Oh, she's so disrespectful to

1751
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:07,080
Speaker 3: her mom. Oh how is she acting like this? Why

1752
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:09,040
Speaker 3: is she acting like this when you don't know the backstory,

1753
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:11,600
Speaker 3: when you already have in your mind that this is

1754
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 3: the fan favorite that we riding with Jackie, right or wrong.

1755
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 3: I see all of these comments that say, but that's

1756
01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:27,040
Speaker 3: still your mother. So let her do anything she wants

1757
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 3: to me. Let her bring up things that she promised

1758
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:32,559
Speaker 3: she wouldn't. Let her try to get some random guy

1759
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 3: that I've never even met to bring some tea about

1760
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:38,719
Speaker 3: me to this show, let her talk about grandparents, writes,

1761
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:40,840
Speaker 3: When she knows that I'm in the middle of this case,

1762
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:44,559
Speaker 3: at what point do you say?

1763
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 2: You know what?

1764
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:50,080
Speaker 3: Enough is enough? Now? The difference is everybody is telling me, well,

1765
01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:51,600
Speaker 3: you should have just walked away.

1766
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:53,880
Speaker 2: Duh.

1767
01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 3: I know that, But this was a very real situation

1768
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:01,800
Speaker 3: that y'all watched lay out. This was not made for TV.

1769
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:04,720
Speaker 3: This was not something that I did for a check.

1770
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:07,400
Speaker 3: She did for a check. I don't even think she

1771
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 3: knew that that was gonna happen like that. I think

1772
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 3: in her mind she thought, maybe she'll just remove herself

1773
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 3: from this in general, that's what she told the producers

1774
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:19,280
Speaker 3: at Vegas. I don't even think that she's gonna continue

1775
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 3: with this show because she knows. I don't get down

1776
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 3: like this. I don't play these games. I'm not at

1777
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 3: that place in my life. Even if at one point

1778
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:27,840
Speaker 3: I was messy, even if at one point I came

1779
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:29,800
Speaker 3: on and talked to Lauria, even if at one point

1780
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:32,679
Speaker 3: I had my drama Withdrea, I'm not at that space

1781
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:36,720
Speaker 3: in my life anymore. So, why are you pushing me

1782
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:40,599
Speaker 3: to this point? And now you light this fire and

1783
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:43,160
Speaker 3: then you walk away and you leave me standing here

1784
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 3: holding the matches.

1785
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:51,600
Speaker 2: Have you and your mother spoken since that night? No?

1786
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:54,920
Speaker 2: And how long ago did that incident happen?

1787
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:00,160
Speaker 3: Probably about seven months, six or seven.

1788
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:04,080
Speaker 2: You haven't spunk to your mother in seven months. Your

1789
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 2: mother's birthday was past weekend. Did you reach out? Did

1790
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 2: you reach child? Has she reached out to you?

1791
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:15,080
Speaker 6: No?

1792
01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:19,960
Speaker 3: She has mentioned through way of my brother when all

1793
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:24,240
Speaker 3: of this happened, she basically asked him, you know, does

1794
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:25,960
Speaker 3: she want me to come out and make a statement?

1795
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 2: And I when the show after the episode air.

1796
01:36:29,320 --> 01:36:32,400
Speaker 3: After the episode aired, she sent word through my brother.

1797
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:35,280
Speaker 3: Does she want me to come out and basically stand

1798
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 3: up for her? Like I see that everybody's bullying her

1799
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:39,280
Speaker 3: and so on and so forth. Does she want me

1800
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:42,720
Speaker 3: to say something? And I said, no, one, if that's

1801
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:44,560
Speaker 3: not at the top of your mind, you shouldn't have

1802
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:46,880
Speaker 3: to ask for permission to do that. If you see

1803
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:49,120
Speaker 3: that people are wishing death on me and my family,

1804
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 3: and they're talking about the way my son looks, and

1805
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:53,519
Speaker 3: they hope that my daughter's dad wins custody and all

1806
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 3: of this wild stuff. And you see this in real time,

1807
01:36:57,120 --> 01:37:00,840
Speaker 3: and you yourself have been in my shoes this first

1808
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 3: several seasons. People called you an instigator, messy, all of

1809
01:37:03,439 --> 01:37:06,440
Speaker 3: these things. You've been there, so you know how this feels.

1810
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:10,679
Speaker 3: And now this is a very real situation with this

1811
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 3: this mother daughter wound that is literally gaping open, and

1812
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:20,040
Speaker 3: in your mind, you no, you don't have to speak

1813
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:22,000
Speaker 3: on my behalf. I can speak on my behalf because

1814
01:37:22,040 --> 01:37:24,840
Speaker 3: even if you did come out and say something, it's

1815
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:26,640
Speaker 3: not going to be the truth. You're not gonna take

1816
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:29,519
Speaker 3: accountability for what happened. You're not going to acknowledge that

1817
01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:32,160
Speaker 3: you push me to this point. You're not gonna say

1818
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:36,120
Speaker 3: that my anger was justified. Maybe my actions weren't, but

1819
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:40,360
Speaker 3: my anger was. You're not gonna acknowledge that. You're gonna

1820
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:44,000
Speaker 3: leave me standing out here holding a bag looking like

1821
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:46,920
Speaker 3: this terrible, disrespectful, horrible daughter.

1822
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 2: And that's okay. How does your father feel about what happened?

1823
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:07,080
Speaker 3: I think that he is trying to prossess some very

1824
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 3: heavy feelings. I think that he is at a point

1825
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:14,679
Speaker 3: in his life where all of these great things are happening.

1826
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:17,719
Speaker 3: You know, he has this new opportunity as a head coach,

1827
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:23,559
Speaker 3: and so any conversations that I have had with him

1828
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:27,360
Speaker 3: have really just been him keeping me encouraged and telling

1829
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:29,720
Speaker 3: me that you know, I know your heart, like I

1830
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:32,880
Speaker 3: know that you're not this person that people are making

1831
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:35,519
Speaker 3: you out to be. I know that this was a

1832
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:37,680
Speaker 3: long time coming. When I talked to him after the

1833
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 3: Hawaii thing happened, I said, Dad, you know our dynamic.

1834
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:42,559
Speaker 3: You know that this is not I didn't get on

1835
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 3: here with the intent to do this. And so I

1836
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 3: think that having his understanding and knowing that he knows

1837
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:57,680
Speaker 3: our history is very reassuring. And I think that what

1838
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:00,920
Speaker 3: people get misconstrued, and I've seen all sorts to sick

1839
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:03,240
Speaker 3: comments like I'm such and such from ease by you

1840
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 3: and I want my dad and all of this, and

1841
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:08,720
Speaker 3: that what they fail to realize is that he has

1842
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:12,280
Speaker 3: been my protector in times that I needed one. He

1843
01:39:12,439 --> 01:39:17,479
Speaker 3: has been that source of relief when things in the

1844
01:39:17,479 --> 01:39:20,320
Speaker 3: house are too heavy or whatever. He will remove me

1845
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 3: from the situation before I get to the point of

1846
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 3: disrespecting her. You understand what I'm saying. So I look

1847
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:30,880
Speaker 3: to him anything that comes to her. I'm going to

1848
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:33,280
Speaker 3: my dad about it, period, because you know what it

1849
01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:34,720
Speaker 3: is that I'm dealing with, and I feel like if

1850
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:36,760
Speaker 3: nobody else can get you together.

1851
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:41,080
Speaker 2: I now get it.

1852
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:45,599
Speaker 4: Every time you would bring up doug and you would

1853
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 4: some calling my father, you feel like your father is

1854
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:55,000
Speaker 4: the only one who understands Jackie Christy.

1855
01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:57,800
Speaker 2: And is the only one that can that can check her.

1856
01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:02,760
Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, absolutely so that because because I think in

1857
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:05,840
Speaker 4: your mind you feel like my mother has full.

1858
01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:10,639
Speaker 2: The world and has audience and I can. But this

1859
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:11,599
Speaker 2: man not only.

1860
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:14,200
Speaker 4: Can hold you accountable, he knows that what I'm saying

1861
01:40:14,439 --> 01:40:16,240
Speaker 4: is the gospel. That he knows who he's married to.

1862
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:18,800
Speaker 4: And that's the reason why you kept bringing your father's name.

1863
01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:20,880
Speaker 4: A lot of people And listen, you don't have to

1864
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:22,479
Speaker 4: answer this. If you don't want to, you can tell

1865
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:26,719
Speaker 4: me that's whatever. A lot of people were not happy

1866
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 4: with you as well when you did say that's why

1867
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:30,720
Speaker 4: that's why Dougie's leaving you.

1868
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:32,920
Speaker 2: Would you like to address that.

1869
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:40,160
Speaker 3: What I can say about that is it's not my

1870
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:44,360
Speaker 3: place to speak on anybody else's marriage. It was very,

1871
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 3: like I said, tacky and tasteless and was clearly just

1872
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:53,720
Speaker 3: when I watch myself say that. I'm like, girl, now

1873
01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:56,559
Speaker 3: you know that you didn't have to take it to him.

1874
01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:59,040
Speaker 3: You did not have to take it that far. That's

1875
01:40:59,160 --> 01:41:02,599
Speaker 3: just not that's that is one regret that I do

1876
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:05,720
Speaker 3: have out of the entire season. That is the one

1877
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:08,400
Speaker 3: thing that I regret because I just I didn't have

1878
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:11,519
Speaker 3: to say that. I could have kept it right where

1879
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:13,519
Speaker 3: it was at. You get what I'm saying, Like, but

1880
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:16,280
Speaker 3: I'm spiraling like at this point now, I'm just.

1881
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:21,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you wanted to hurt her obviously. Yeah. Have

1882
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:25,479
Speaker 2: you heard from Sean O'Neil since the incident happened the episode?

1883
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:25,920
Speaker 2: Haven't heard.

1884
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:31,320
Speaker 3: We talked briefly right after the incident happened, just I

1885
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:34,320
Speaker 3: think like because it was such a big deal that

1886
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:38,040
Speaker 3: it was like now the higher ups step in and like,

1887
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:42,880
Speaker 3: you know, say something, communicate, But we haven't. We haven't

1888
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:46,760
Speaker 3: really talked since then. I've talked to all of the

1889
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:51,800
Speaker 3: different castmates at different times and points. I haven't talked

1890
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:57,200
Speaker 3: to anybody really since the fight aired, with the exception

1891
01:41:57,560 --> 01:42:02,800
Speaker 3: of Jennifer and Brittany and Denise.

1892
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:04,960
Speaker 2: To check in on you.

1893
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:08,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what people don't understand about Brittany and Denise,

1894
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:10,080
Speaker 3: and I just want to put this on wax right

1895
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:13,800
Speaker 3: because I know everybody has got they got their their

1896
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:15,000
Speaker 3: think pieces and things.

1897
01:42:15,160 --> 01:42:19,080
Speaker 2: Brittany de Niece, I'm just getting to know you. But

1898
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:21,880
Speaker 2: I love you, but I love Britney.

1899
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:23,000
Speaker 3: I think Brittany's hilarious.

1900
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:25,120
Speaker 2: But Brittany is a really But.

1901
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:31,040
Speaker 3: Here's what I want people to understand, right me, Brittany

1902
01:42:31,080 --> 01:42:35,280
Speaker 3: and Denise formed real friendships and relationships outside of this

1903
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:39,120
Speaker 3: show while we were filming. We had so much in common,

1904
01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:42,960
Speaker 3: Like my husband is planning for the Hornets, Brittany's child's

1905
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:45,000
Speaker 3: father played for the Hornets. You know what I'm saying,

1906
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:47,960
Speaker 3: Like we're talking about things in Charlotte. Denise at the time,

1907
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:51,400
Speaker 3: her daughter's uncle was my husband's teammate. You get what

1908
01:42:51,439 --> 01:42:53,680
Speaker 3: I'm saying. Like we had a lot of similarities that

1909
01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:56,920
Speaker 3: are out of everybody on this cast, we three can

1910
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:59,560
Speaker 3: relate the most because we have a husband or a

1911
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:02,719
Speaker 3: child's or whatever that are actively in the league right now.

1912
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:06,040
Speaker 3: We can relate to each other better than anybody else.

1913
01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:07,800
Speaker 3: And then you throw the fact that we're all around

1914
01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:10,040
Speaker 3: the same age, we have kids around the same There

1915
01:43:10,040 --> 01:43:13,439
Speaker 3: were so many similarities that you just could not ignore.

1916
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:19,040
Speaker 3: So we're building these relationships outside of the show, just

1917
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:22,519
Speaker 3: on some cool like this is not for TV, this

1918
01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:25,920
Speaker 3: is just keeping in communication. They checked on me consistently

1919
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:29,360
Speaker 3: and vice versa. Like there were so many instances where

1920
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:32,840
Speaker 3: throughout the season one or all three of us felt

1921
01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:34,760
Speaker 3: like I just cannot go on, like I just can't

1922
01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:36,800
Speaker 3: do this, I'm about to just drop out. And we

1923
01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:40,040
Speaker 3: kept each other encouraged, We kept speaking life over each other.

1924
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:42,880
Speaker 3: And so I get that people feel like, well, you

1925
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:45,479
Speaker 3: just met her, and you did. Have you ever heard

1926
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:49,880
Speaker 3: the saying you could meet somebody, you could know somebody

1927
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:52,720
Speaker 3: for five minutes that does you better than somebody you've

1928
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:56,599
Speaker 3: known your whole life. So I get that people are

1929
01:43:56,600 --> 01:43:59,040
Speaker 3: saying we're trauma bonding and we're no, this is just

1930
01:43:59,120 --> 01:43:59,760
Speaker 3: somebody that.

1931
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:02,160
Speaker 2: Really I felt that way. I felt, I'm gonna tell

1932
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:04,040
Speaker 2: you honestly how I felt. Again, this is me watching

1933
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:04,400
Speaker 2: the show.

1934
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:07,840
Speaker 4: I did feel like Britney and you were trauma bonding

1935
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:10,719
Speaker 4: bits for your mother experience, and I felt like Britney

1936
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:13,280
Speaker 4: was dumping so much of her pain onto you.

1937
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:15,400
Speaker 2: And again, this is the way before.

1938
01:44:15,439 --> 01:44:17,479
Speaker 4: Obviously we talked today and I get way more so

1939
01:44:17,720 --> 01:44:21,160
Speaker 4: I regret saying that, but at the time I also

1940
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:24,519
Speaker 4: believe that it was trauma bonding because I just felt like,

1941
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:27,519
Speaker 4: that's between mother and daughter. Don't step into it. And look,

1942
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:30,519
Speaker 4: even today I do feel this way. I wasn't there.

1943
01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:33,040
Speaker 2: I'm not filming with you guys, I have no idea

1944
01:44:33,080 --> 01:44:33,760
Speaker 2: what's going on.

1945
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:37,840
Speaker 4: I will always feel like at the end of the day,

1946
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:43,280
Speaker 4: especially when it comes to mother daughter dynamics, I just

1947
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:47,519
Speaker 4: felt like it's so deeply rooted that Hona won't nobody

1948
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:49,960
Speaker 4: getting involved with that mess. And that's why I did

1949
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:51,479
Speaker 4: say that. So I'm going to admit to that, and that's

1950
01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:54,160
Speaker 4: why I owe some real shit. I also was not

1951
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:57,280
Speaker 4: happy with Evelyn, who I love, but I was like, Evelyn,

1952
01:44:57,360 --> 01:44:59,120
Speaker 4: we all know when it comes to your daughter, baby,

1953
01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:01,880
Speaker 4: we can't say nothing nothing about her before you go off.

1954
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:07,400
Speaker 4: And although I'm now understanding now that Evelyn knew way

1955
01:45:07,439 --> 01:45:10,799
Speaker 4: more than what was shown on the show, I still

1956
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:15,439
Speaker 4: today felt like Evelyn, being a mom, should have, in

1957
01:45:15,439 --> 01:45:20,479
Speaker 4: my opinion, said I have to stand on the fact

1958
01:45:20,479 --> 01:45:23,559
Speaker 4: that that's between y'all and I'm not gonna get myself

1959
01:45:23,560 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 4: involved in it. And my apologies are to you too

1960
01:45:28,360 --> 01:45:31,840
Speaker 4: for even me saying that I felt like you're bringing

1961
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:35,120
Speaker 4: a trauma bothering because now that I know more, you

1962
01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:36,000
Speaker 4: guys weren't doing that.

1963
01:45:36,479 --> 01:45:39,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I get it. People can only go off

1964
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:43,080
Speaker 3: of what they see on the show, right, But somewhere

1965
01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:47,120
Speaker 3: along the way, we've gotten so far off path from

1966
01:45:47,479 --> 01:45:50,160
Speaker 3: the real meat and bones of the situation to just

1967
01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:53,639
Speaker 3: the death threats and all of the things that people

1968
01:45:53,680 --> 01:45:58,080
Speaker 3: are saying. It's like, how do you get that from this? Like,

1969
01:45:58,120 --> 01:46:00,680
Speaker 3: you're telling me how to handle somebody that I has

1970
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:02,880
Speaker 3: been in my life for thirty two years and you

1971
01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:04,720
Speaker 3: don't know anything about me. You don't know what led

1972
01:46:04,760 --> 01:46:06,439
Speaker 3: to this point. You don't you get what I'm saying.

1973
01:46:06,479 --> 01:46:09,519
Speaker 3: So it's it's very hard to digest. And I think

1974
01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:13,800
Speaker 3: that even on the subject of Evelyn, you know, they're like, oh,

1975
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:15,599
Speaker 3: you all have everyone's you want to be her friends

1976
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:18,200
Speaker 3: so bad? Look what she did to your mom. If

1977
01:46:18,240 --> 01:46:20,960
Speaker 3: you watch this show. On one of the opening scenes,

1978
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:24,040
Speaker 3: it was Jackie and Evelyn. They was out baby shopping

1979
01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:25,880
Speaker 3: and Jackie said, out of her own mouth, I want

1980
01:46:25,960 --> 01:46:27,160
Speaker 3: you to get to know my daughter. I want you

1981
01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:31,040
Speaker 3: to get to know Shanny. She's in town. But now

1982
01:46:31,080 --> 01:46:33,320
Speaker 3: I'm wrong cause I talked to the lady and gave

1983
01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:36,479
Speaker 3: her a conversation like, I just don't people are picking

1984
01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:39,479
Speaker 3: and choosing what they see, and I get it that

1985
01:46:39,479 --> 01:46:42,880
Speaker 3: that's reality TV and whatever, But somewhere along the way,

1986
01:46:43,960 --> 01:46:48,080
Speaker 3: we've just veered so far off from the real in

1987
01:46:48,160 --> 01:46:51,599
Speaker 3: reality TV, and everybody is so used to come sit

1988
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:53,120
Speaker 3: down and have a drink, let's talk about each other.

1989
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:57,400
Speaker 3: Da da da da. I would rather be on TV

1990
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:02,400
Speaker 3: dealing with the real situation, no matter how traumatic or

1991
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:04,160
Speaker 3: whatever that may have been with me and my mom.

1992
01:47:04,240 --> 01:47:07,680
Speaker 3: I would rather that any day over me sitting here

1993
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:12,280
Speaker 3: arguing with random castmates that I just met about a

1994
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 3: bag or a man or This was a real situation

1995
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:18,760
Speaker 3: and you may not like the way that I handled it,

1996
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:22,000
Speaker 3: but this is my real life and that's what we'll

1997
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:22,280
Speaker 3: live on.

1998
01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:24,160
Speaker 2: Mainly.

1999
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:30,120
Speaker 4: Has since released a statement apologizing to Jackie, saying she

2000
01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:32,320
Speaker 4: watched the footage as a mother with a daughter.

2001
01:47:33,240 --> 01:47:36,600
Speaker 2: She regrets stepping in, and she regrets it.

2002
01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:39,600
Speaker 4: She also has said since then that a lot of

2003
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:43,160
Speaker 4: her castmates have unfollowed her since she released that statement.

2004
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:44,320
Speaker 2: Have you heard from me?

2005
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:49,479
Speaker 3: Here's what I'll say about me. I was one of

2006
01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:52,759
Speaker 3: the castmates that unfollowed her after her statement was released.

2007
01:47:54,760 --> 01:47:57,960
Speaker 3: Me and I from day one from the friends giving event,

2008
01:47:58,120 --> 01:48:01,240
Speaker 3: we had a really cool connection. It was I knew

2009
01:48:01,240 --> 01:48:03,800
Speaker 3: of her before basketball wives, from the snob Life brand

2010
01:48:03,800 --> 01:48:07,080
Speaker 3: and everything else, and so meeting her in person someone

2011
01:48:07,120 --> 01:48:09,640
Speaker 3: that was so seemingly like larger than life, and you

2012
01:48:09,680 --> 01:48:12,559
Speaker 3: don't really know what to expect seeing that she was

2013
01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:14,559
Speaker 3: so cool and she was such a girl's girl, and

2014
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:16,600
Speaker 3: I'm just like, wow, like I really like her, you

2015
01:48:16,600 --> 01:48:20,439
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, and vice versa. From that moment forward,

2016
01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:24,320
Speaker 3: I felt like we maybe we weren't close as you know,

2017
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:26,639
Speaker 3: Brittany and I have gotten her whatever, but we were

2018
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:28,800
Speaker 3: really cool. Like she would text me, she would check

2019
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:31,120
Speaker 3: in on me. I'm texting her back like she's calling

2020
01:48:31,120 --> 01:48:34,599
Speaker 3: me her partner in crime, my piic. We were locked in.

2021
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:43,000
Speaker 3: From my standpoint, leading up to the fight, her opinions

2022
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:46,120
Speaker 3: were her own. You're seeing Jackie get up and walk away,

2023
01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:47,760
Speaker 3: You're saying out of your own mouth that that's wrong,

2024
01:48:47,800 --> 01:48:50,679
Speaker 3: you would never do that to your daughter, etc. So

2025
01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:53,439
Speaker 3: to now get to this point where the whole world

2026
01:48:53,479 --> 01:48:55,200
Speaker 3: is on fire and everybody is talking about this, and

2027
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:59,799
Speaker 3: this is such a trending topic, and based on one incident,

2028
01:49:01,400 --> 01:49:04,599
Speaker 3: you feel like you owe her this apology, which is fair.

2029
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:07,960
Speaker 3: I get it, Like I understand you, I didn't best

2030
01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:10,080
Speaker 3: explain the way that this fight happened, and so you

2031
01:49:10,280 --> 01:49:12,720
Speaker 3: thought something else happened and you judged Jackie off of it.

2032
01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:16,719
Speaker 3: I can understand that. But I feel like what made

2033
01:49:16,720 --> 01:49:18,880
Speaker 3: me unfollow her or what made me feel some sort

2034
01:49:18,920 --> 01:49:22,280
Speaker 3: of way about her is like the other commentary in

2035
01:49:22,360 --> 01:49:24,760
Speaker 3: the statement, like as a mother, I can understand and

2036
01:49:25,200 --> 01:49:27,720
Speaker 3: if I was, but as a daughter you should also

2037
01:49:27,800 --> 01:49:30,320
Speaker 3: be able to understand because you yourself have said you

2038
01:49:30,360 --> 01:49:34,800
Speaker 3: and VICKI have problems. You yourself have said you understand

2039
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:37,679
Speaker 3: the mother womb. You and yourself have said the things

2040
01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:39,800
Speaker 3: that she did to me during the season on and

2041
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:43,160
Speaker 3: off camera were wrong. So if you want to apologize

2042
01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:46,400
Speaker 3: to her based on judging her, whatever your commentary was

2043
01:49:46,439 --> 01:49:49,920
Speaker 3: after the fight scene, I understand and I respect that.

2044
01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:52,360
Speaker 3: I'm not never gonna take that away from you, and

2045
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:55,240
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to get anybody on my side. But

2046
01:49:55,720 --> 01:49:58,320
Speaker 3: all of these opinions from all of these castmates were

2047
01:49:58,320 --> 01:50:02,599
Speaker 3: their own. The only person you ever saw me say

2048
01:50:03,560 --> 01:50:07,479
Speaker 3: essentially pick aside to on camera was Jennifer when she said,

2049
01:50:07,479 --> 01:50:09,120
Speaker 3: how can I assist you? How can I whatever? And

2050
01:50:09,160 --> 01:50:11,160
Speaker 3: I said, well, you can start by holding her accountable,

2051
01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:13,200
Speaker 3: and if she's not gonna be accountable, then you could

2052
01:50:13,200 --> 01:50:14,479
Speaker 3: tell her. I just don't for I want to be

2053
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:16,479
Speaker 3: around you, because that's the type of person I am.

2054
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:21,400
Speaker 3: I don't I'm not fratnizing with bad mothers or disrespectful people,

2055
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:23,840
Speaker 3: or you get what I'm saying. I don't play like that.

2056
01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:25,400
Speaker 3: I don't want you in my space. If that's what

2057
01:50:25,439 --> 01:50:28,480
Speaker 3: you want, and that's what you'll do to your own kid,

2058
01:50:29,200 --> 01:50:31,960
Speaker 3: there's no hope for me. So that's what I meant

2059
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:34,400
Speaker 3: when I said that to Jennifer. I didn't come in

2060
01:50:34,640 --> 01:50:39,360
Speaker 3: Jackie's friend group, mind you. Britney's new, fairly new. Denise

2061
01:50:39,439 --> 01:50:41,559
Speaker 3: is definitely new, Ty is new, Meing is new. This

2062
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:46,479
Speaker 3: is not Jackie's fring group. Jennifer, Brandy and Evelyn is

2063
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:50,240
Speaker 3: Jackie's fring group. Okay, cool, But y'all are acting like

2064
01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:52,759
Speaker 3: there's not this new group of people who have formed

2065
01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:55,880
Speaker 3: their own opinions based off of these interactions that they're

2066
01:50:55,880 --> 01:50:59,200
Speaker 3: witnessing on a day to day basis. They were there

2067
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:01,760
Speaker 3: in Vegas the house when the cameras weren't rolling, they

2068
01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:05,320
Speaker 3: heard the stuff she was saying. So to now get

2069
01:51:05,320 --> 01:51:08,519
Speaker 3: to this space where I feel like some of you

2070
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:10,880
Speaker 3: are like, oh, how do I you know what I'm saying?

2071
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:13,280
Speaker 3: I don't know how to I'm not looking for a

2072
01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:15,840
Speaker 3: politically correct answer. Was it right or was it wrong?

2073
01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:19,439
Speaker 3: Would you witnessed? Was it right or was it wrong?

2074
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:23,120
Speaker 3: If you are not basing anything else, not a childhood,

2075
01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:26,320
Speaker 3: not a nothing, off of what you experienced over the

2076
01:51:26,360 --> 01:51:30,080
Speaker 3: course of this season, was it right or was it wrong?

2077
01:51:32,720 --> 01:51:35,080
Speaker 2: Do you think she did that for the audience releases

2078
01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:35,680
Speaker 2: the same man?

2079
01:51:36,360 --> 01:51:38,720
Speaker 3: I don't know because I never took me really for

2080
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:41,240
Speaker 3: real as like that type of person. So I was shocked.

2081
01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:43,280
Speaker 3: I just quietly unfollowed it and just went on about

2082
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:45,439
Speaker 3: my day because since if that's how you feel, I

2083
01:51:45,479 --> 01:51:47,800
Speaker 3: respect it. I'm not gonna press you about it. It

2084
01:51:47,880 --> 01:51:50,320
Speaker 3: is what it is, and I just thought that we

2085
01:51:50,320 --> 01:51:54,439
Speaker 3: were better than that, but you just never know.

2086
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:56,960
Speaker 2: My hope is this for you and your mother.

2087
01:51:58,280 --> 01:52:02,040
Speaker 4: I obviously I've not said this before, and I know

2088
01:52:02,120 --> 01:52:04,360
Speaker 4: your mom, and I want you to know. I text

2089
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:07,000
Speaker 4: your mother the night the night I saw it, and

2090
01:52:07,080 --> 01:52:08,960
Speaker 4: my exact words your mom was, I love you.

2091
01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:13,000
Speaker 2: I'm praying for y'all. This too shall pass because.

2092
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:17,080
Speaker 4: I want you to even enough for my spirit, and

2093
01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:18,559
Speaker 4: I want to say this to you.

2094
01:52:20,200 --> 01:52:23,400
Speaker 2: I love you. I'm praying for you, and this too

2095
01:52:23,439 --> 01:52:25,320
Speaker 2: shall pass. I want to say that too to your

2096
01:52:25,320 --> 01:52:26,840
Speaker 2: face as well, because.

2097
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:33,120
Speaker 4: I know that for me and our situation is vastly different.

2098
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:38,320
Speaker 4: I know for me, I had to tell my father

2099
01:52:38,439 --> 01:52:42,880
Speaker 4: how I felt. Not for him, it was for me.

2100
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:46,439
Speaker 4: I had to release that shit. I had to release

2101
01:52:46,479 --> 01:52:49,800
Speaker 4: that pain. I spent twenty eight years of my life

2102
01:52:50,240 --> 01:52:53,880
Speaker 4: thinking my own father does not like me and the

2103
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:56,720
Speaker 4: way he treated me and spoke to me, and I

2104
01:52:56,960 --> 01:53:00,000
Speaker 4: had to say to him, this is how I feel.

2105
01:53:00,439 --> 01:53:03,960
Speaker 4: And I even said to him, Chantell, this has nothing

2106
01:53:03,960 --> 01:53:06,759
Speaker 4: to do with you. I'm doing this for me now. Granted,

2107
01:53:07,439 --> 01:53:12,680
Speaker 4: in his defense, I said to myself, I'm chantel. I

2108
01:53:12,760 --> 01:53:14,799
Speaker 4: don't know what it's like to be born in nineteen

2109
01:53:14,920 --> 01:53:17,760
Speaker 4: forty nine. I don't know what it's like to be

2110
01:53:17,800 --> 01:53:20,320
Speaker 4: a black man drinking out of the color water fountain.

2111
01:53:21,400 --> 01:53:22,960
Speaker 4: I don't know what it's like to have a father

2112
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:25,760
Speaker 4: who pickedcotton. I don't know what it's like to grow

2113
01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:27,439
Speaker 4: up and at a time where there was no openly

2114
01:53:27,479 --> 01:53:30,280
Speaker 4: gay person in the world. I don't know what it's

2115
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:33,960
Speaker 4: like to be a black man in the fifties, sixties, seventies,

2116
01:53:33,960 --> 01:53:37,840
Speaker 4: and eighties when I was born. And I had to

2117
01:53:37,880 --> 01:53:41,320
Speaker 4: give my father grace because I said to myself, all

2118
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:44,280
Speaker 4: the things you did to me. He didn't abuse me physically,

2119
01:53:44,280 --> 01:53:46,640
Speaker 4: nothing like that, right, but the way he treated me

2120
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:52,040
Speaker 4: and sometimes ignored me. And I said to myself, if

2121
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:54,639
Speaker 4: I put myself in your shoes as a nineteen forty

2122
01:53:54,760 --> 01:53:58,599
Speaker 4: nine born black man at that time, with the tools

2123
01:53:58,640 --> 01:54:02,160
Speaker 4: that you had, and then all of a sudden, your son,

2124
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:09,320
Speaker 4: your third born son, comes out as Carlos King like that, Okay.

2125
01:54:11,400 --> 01:54:14,599
Speaker 4: I had to say to myself, I now know that

2126
01:54:14,640 --> 01:54:17,479
Speaker 4: you didn't have the tools to deal with that, and

2127
01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:20,640
Speaker 4: I just had to put myself in his shoes to

2128
01:54:20,840 --> 01:54:26,000
Speaker 4: understand him more and to forgive him, and me forgiving

2129
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:29,040
Speaker 4: him was for me to release the pain. And now

2130
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:32,640
Speaker 4: we're the best of friends. What I want for you,

2131
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:37,280
Speaker 4: your mom, at some point, not today, this year, next year,

2132
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Speaker 4: is whenever the time is right, because I agree with

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Speaker 4: you one thousand percent. I believe God situated this madness

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Speaker 4: for you and her to at some point have whatever

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Speaker 4: is meant to have. I don't think this is the

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Speaker 4: end of you guys. Do I see you guys being

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Speaker 4: best friends? No, I don't, But I do see you

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Speaker 4: guys being in a place of coexisting and whatever.

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Speaker 2: That looks like for you. I want you to know this.

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Speaker 2: For me, I am praying for your mental health.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure it's difficult to see your altercation be a

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Speaker 4: meme and and to have that image displayed for the

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Speaker 4: rest of your life. That one day your daughter has

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Speaker 4: to see that, that one day your son has to

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Speaker 4: see that. And I want the world to understand that, Yes,

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Speaker 4: you guys have given them content to work with. But

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Speaker 4: what I would like to implore for the audience is, Okay, y'all.

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Speaker 2: Got it, and I think at some point enough is enough.

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Speaker 2: Enough is enough.

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Speaker 4: I understand where they're coming from in terms of being

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Speaker 4: a black person, like we don't.

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Speaker 2: We just don't treat our moms.

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Speaker 3: That you did.

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Speaker 4: But I also understand I also understand this. I am

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Speaker 4: very proud of your generation who are now standing up

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Speaker 4: for themselves, saying just because y'all did that that way,

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Speaker 4: that doesn't mean I have to subscribe to that.

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Speaker 2: But I do think.

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Speaker 4: There's a way for your generation to do things a

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Speaker 4: different way where the underlining thing is still respect. And

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Speaker 4: that's why I said on my own show, y'all both wrong.

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Speaker 4: I said that right.

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Speaker 2: But I.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate you so much for having the ability within a

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Speaker 4: week to reach out to me and say, let's talk,

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Speaker 4: because I have been praying for your family in my

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Speaker 4: quiet times. I've been praying for you, your siblings, your father,

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Speaker 4: and you and your mom because.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what that feels like.

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Speaker 4: And I want you to walk away today with an

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Speaker 4: understanding of forgiveness and whatever that looks like for you

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Speaker 4: at the time that it looks like.

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Speaker 2: And I want the world.

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Speaker 4: To chill out when it comes to that me being

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Speaker 4: out there, because it's not an image that I think

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Speaker 4: it's funny anymore. It was never funny for me. But

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Speaker 4: I think, I think, I think we have to stop

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Speaker 4: for your mental health.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I agree. I think that it's hard

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Speaker 3: for people to maybe have sympathy for me because they

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Speaker 3: just see my anger. They just see me on tin, right,

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Speaker 3: And you don't when you don't really understand the backstory,

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Speaker 3: you don't have the pleasure to sit down and have

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Speaker 3: these sort of conversations with me. You're judging a book

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Speaker 3: by its cover or by this small efsert that you've

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Speaker 3: seen on social media or TV or whatever. I just

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Speaker 3: I have to for my own mental health just stop

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Speaker 3: feeding into it, you know, like people say, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: why did you turn your comments? So I've turned the

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Speaker 3: comments back, going this is my page. I will protect

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Speaker 3: my piece here by all means necessary. Now, if I

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Speaker 3: make my way to the blogs and I want to

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Speaker 3: and I want to dispute my truth or argue what

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Speaker 3: a random stranger would, I could do that. But as

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Speaker 3: far as for as for me at my house, We're not.

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Speaker 3: We're not gonna do that. I'm not gonna sit here

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Speaker 3: and let thousands of people comment and say vile things

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Speaker 3: and judge me off of how I handle the situation

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Speaker 3: that is very painful and real to me, Like nobody

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Speaker 3: is perfect and it sucks that this will, you know,

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Speaker 3: live on. I think that it's interesting that there have

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Speaker 3: been there have been several fights in the history of

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Speaker 3: basketball wives that never seen the light of day, that

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Speaker 3: have been blurred out or cut out or whatever it

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Speaker 3: may have been. And so I think that it's interesting

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Speaker 3: that this one did see the light of day in

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Speaker 3: its entirety, and I don't know why that is, but

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Speaker 3: I think when I really sit with it, outside of

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Speaker 3: all of the hate that I've received, I have one

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Speaker 3: hundreds of messages Carlos from people that are saying, I

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Speaker 3: see you, I get it, I understand. I've been in

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Speaker 3: this situation before, and even though I don't agree with

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Speaker 3: the way that you handled it, or I don't agree

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Speaker 3: with the image of you put in your hands on

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Speaker 3: or whatever it may be, I have sympathy for you.

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Speaker 3: I have empathy for you. Things that maybe people won't

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01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:23,920
Speaker 3: say publicly I've received privately. So because of that, I

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Speaker 3: know that there is a light at the end of

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Speaker 3: the tunnel. And I can't get too down on myself

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Speaker 3: right now. You know, Like I've had the pleasure of

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Speaker 3: that happened in Hawaii at like the top of the year,

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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like we're at the end

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Speaker 3: of summer now. I've had months to sit with it,

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Speaker 3: to heal from it, to go through therapy, to talk

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Speaker 3: to the people closes to therapy. Yes, absolutely, I've been

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Speaker 3: in therapy for like a decade. Job what I know

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01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:49,640
Speaker 3: people would be like, how are you in therapy. Acting

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Speaker 3: like that. Sometimes you can when you're not around your

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Speaker 3: triggers or you're not around those traumatic situations, you can

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Speaker 3: just suppress them. But when you get in it and

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02:00:01,480 --> 02:00:03,800
Speaker 3: you're right face to face with something that you've been

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Speaker 3: battling for so long, it's so hard to think of

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Speaker 3: all of the tips and the tricks and the things

2234
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Speaker 3: that you've learned, and you know, the acupressure points, and

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Speaker 3: I'm not thinking about none of that. I'm spiraling right now,

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Speaker 3: and I want y'all to leave me alone. You get

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 3: So I just I'm going to continue to give myself grace.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to continue to hold myself accountable. I'm going

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Speaker 3: to continue to just try to grow and be better.

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Speaker 3: Like you know, even in my green screens, Like I said,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what happened to my mom or what

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Speaker 3: made her this way or whatever that may be, but

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Speaker 3: I know that somewhere along the way, she made a

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Speaker 3: conscious decision, and she continues to make a conscious decision

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Speaker 3: not to get the help that she probably needs and

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Speaker 3: not to go to therapy and address the things that

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Speaker 3: she may feel about herself, about her kids, about her

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Speaker 3: whatever that may look like for her. I'm doing the

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Speaker 3: necessary work to change that in my life so that

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Speaker 3: it doesn't bleed onto my kids. And that's the silver

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Speaker 3: lining in all of this is that I really do

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Speaker 3: feel like I broke the cycle. It was done in

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Speaker 3: a very messy, crazy way. Sometimes that's just how it goes,

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Speaker 3: and I'm okay with that. If my kids grow up

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Speaker 3: one day and see that footage, am I proud of it?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not, Like that's insane. Who would be proud of it?

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Speaker 3: But that is why I wanted to take the time

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Speaker 3: to sit down with you today so that my side

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Speaker 3: of the story and my take on things right, because

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Speaker 3: of course there's always three sides mine, hers and the

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Speaker 3: truth and everything. I get what people saying, but I

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Speaker 3: wanted this to live on somewhere in some part of

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Speaker 3: the Internet that this is how I felt, this is

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Speaker 3: what I was dealing with, this is what I was battling,

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Speaker 3: this is what caused me to arrive at this point.

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Speaker 3: And all I can do going forward is just be better.

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Speaker 3: Like that's really it. That's all that you can ask for.

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Speaker 3: I can't go and change it. I can't go back

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Speaker 3: and not put your hand off of me. I just

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02:02:03,320 --> 02:02:07,320
Speaker 3: have to move forward. And that's the problem with social

2274
02:02:07,360 --> 02:02:09,400
Speaker 3: media and the society today. They don't want you to

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Speaker 3: move forward. They actually would drag this on for as

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Speaker 3: long as they could, if they possibly could. But there

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Speaker 3: will always be a new story, a new headline, a

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Speaker 3: new news cycle, and y'all will be picking on somebody

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Speaker 3: else tomorrow, you know what I'm saying. And because of that,

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Speaker 3: that's what kind of keeps me afloat. I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 3: y'all just don't know no.

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Speaker 2: Better no, Like I said, what's next for Chantel.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie to you, Carlos, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: And that's okay, Yeah, that's okay. You don't have to know, Chantel.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to know.

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Speaker 4: I don't want you to do anything, honestly, I want

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Speaker 4: you to continue to heal. I want you to continue

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02:02:48,320 --> 02:02:52,320
Speaker 4: to be in therapy. I want you to continue being

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Speaker 4: a mom and.

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Speaker 2: A wife, and.

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Speaker 4: Don't feel the need to rush into the next thing.

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Speaker 4: I want, thousand percent agree with you. God's hands is

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02:03:04,920 --> 02:03:10,200
Speaker 4: in everything, and it's up to you and your mom

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02:03:10,280 --> 02:03:14,720
Speaker 4: to figure out that relationship. But more importantly, Chantelle's up

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02:03:14,760 --> 02:03:18,720
Speaker 4: to you to figure out how to be an extension

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Speaker 4: of a mother and a wife, and a woman and

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02:03:21,720 --> 02:03:25,920
Speaker 4: a daughter and a sister moving forward. And that's the

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Speaker 4: only thing I want for you. Don't rush anything as

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Speaker 4: of now, and I thank you for this.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, my love, appreciate anytime. It was exactly what

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Speaker 2: that means the world to me.

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King,

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Speaker 1: produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership with the Lack

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Speaker 1: Effect Network. You can also find us on my YouTube

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Speaker 1: channel at the Carlos King Underscore.

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Speaker 2: The tenth