WEBVTT - So Unserious with She’s All Bach 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.800 This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:04.640 with iHeartRadio. 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.479 Hey guys, welcome to another episode of the Almost Famous podcast. 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:13.800 Today's a girl talk podcast. I have Stephanie and Jackie 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:17.599 from the She's All Batch podcast. They're the two hosts 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:21.079 who I feel like do the juicy scoop when it 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:24.159 comes to the Bachelor. You guys always get me with 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:27.640 your teases. Your your social media teases are so good 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:31.320 and I love this. I love this. You guys are 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:34.519 not afraid to say certain things because you have no 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:37.600 ties to the Bachelor franchise. You don't have to be 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:40.320 on your best behavior. You don't have to meet people 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:43.760 if you don't want to ever meet them, You can 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:46.720 literally talk all the shit you want. Yeah. 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:50.120 True, we're very unfiltered in that way. It's such an 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:52.280 honor to hear that. You think we get like such 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.320 juicy clips and interviews and stuff. That's what we have 0:00:55.400 --> 0:01:00.400 been trying to do over the years. But yeah, we agreed. 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:02.280 We sometimes can say whatever we want because we don't 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:04.680 have to meet these people. The problem comes in sometimes 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.480 when then we do and they're like you said about 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:09.640 me on this podcast, this is this that I'm like, Oh, 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.520 my god, I'm sorry, I forgot that sometimes Bachelor people 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:13.319 also then listen. 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:16.920 Now, I will say we do like to obviously be 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:19.600 fair and like we try to obviously keep that in mind, 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:23.080 and we always tell our listeners too, like, this is 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:24.720 about an edit on a TV show. 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:25.760 It is a tiaving show. 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:27.640 At the end of the day, we almost talk about 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:32.120 it like characters, because it is characters. They're not, you know, 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:35.039 we're watching a scripted not a scripted TV show, but 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:38.520 an edited TV show obviously, so we we like to 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:39.319 keep that in mind. 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:42.679 All right, So we want to talk about Bachelor on 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:46.240 a macro level on this podcast, basically talk about all 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:50.160 the things that Ben and I pepper into episodes throughout 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:54.160 the year. Right, I think the number one question is 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:59.360 when did the show go awry? Why did it get 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:03.600 off the hinge after it seemed to be recovering after 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:06.080 Joey's season. After Joey's season was like, we are back 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:09.120 on track, we are a great show. There are tiktoks 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:12.120 and memes being made about the Bachelor, how hot and 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:15.360 charming he is, and now all of a sudden, we 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:20.480 cancel Bachelorette for the season because you don't have enough 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:24.320 spark in the franchise. What's going on in your opinions? 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.279 What is going on? Maybe you know more than us, No. 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:28.839 No, no, no, I talk about this all the time. 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:30.919 I need to know from the outsider perspective. 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.800 Well, but wasn't there some deadline article that, Yeah, the 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:36.960 reason why Bachelot actually isn't coming back is because there 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:40.400 was drama with producers and stuff and that they weren't 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.120 able to kind of agree on like a vision. 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:46.720 Yes, there seems to be that. Yeah, it seems to 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:49.720 be more about casting than it was about ratings. 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:54.760 We heard your tea about the Rachel, Rekia and Maria. 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:59.800 Well, what's interesting about the Rachel thing is Rachel texted 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.480 after that podcast and she goes, I didn't hear from 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:06.720 them whatsoever, So that may have been behind the scenes rumblings, 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:10.400 like as in the producers were considering her, but she 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:14.360 didn't get the word yet because like they weren't agreeing. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:18.720 Interesting, my take is that, like, I'm really excited that 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.880 they're shaking up Bachelor in Paradise, with Jesse saying that 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.080 in two weeks they're going to let us know like 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.160 what they're really doing with Bachelor in paradise and how 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:28.720 it's going to be different. I do think it's time 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.120 for them to shake up this model. And I think 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.800 the only reason why they didn't say it about the 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.760 Bachelor two is because The Bachelor's currently airing and we're 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:39.040 not going to get another Bachelor season until next year, 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.520 and I think by that point maybe they will have 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:42.440 made some changes. 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:44.720 So I don't know. 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:46.800 I think that could be they want to make some 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.040 changes behind the scenes, and in order to do so, 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:51.240 they maybe need to take a season off to like, 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:53.040 I don't know, higher different people. 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:56.320 Yeah, get in a boardroom and figure out what the 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.200 hell they're going to do. But we'll see. 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:02.360 I'm excited for I do think after all this time, 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:04.360 we may need to shake things up a little bit. 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:06.720 And what does that mean to you? Do you have 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:08.440 suggestions to me? 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:10.920 At least I feel like and I feel like we 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:12.880 talk about this a lot too, like the audience has. 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:14.040 We've all been. 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:16.680 Watching reality TV now for years and years and years. 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.719 I think the audience gets a lot smarter about some 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:22.560 of the classic tropes of like some frank and biting 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:24.560 or some editing, and we're we always talk on our 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:26.480 podcast and we try to make sure we're like, Okay, 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:28.440 this person said this to this person, but did you 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:30.799 really see them in a two shot? Like what's actually 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:33.120 going on? And I feel like the past few seasons 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:38.320 they lean in a lot to this very forced, manipulated drama, 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:40.440 and I think it would actually be a better experience 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:43.280 if we acknowledge, like, hey, the audience is smart, they 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:44.880 know what's going on, like break the fourth wall a 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:49.120 little bit and kind of let actual genuine drama unfold. Sorry, Stephanie, 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:51.320 I interrupted you there. What were you gonna say? Now? 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.560 That honestly a lot of that, But like it is 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:55.880 twenty twenty five, and I feel like they're not really 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:57.760 adapting to the current times. 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.040 I do think breaking the fourth wall would hell. 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:02.159 Love to break the fourth wall. Those are the most 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:03.520 exciting moments best. 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:06.240 Yeah, even in the Women Tell All recap that we 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.680 just recorded the girls yelling at Carolina and saying like 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.120 you shouldn't have pulled Grant at this point. 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.680 Because you already had a rose, like all this stuff. 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:18.040 If you are actually taking this seriously, why does it 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:19.080 matter who has a rose? 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:20.680 Like she's just trying to pull the guy and talk 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:21.080 to him. 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:24.200 So I hate, like the rules like, let's actually, if 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:26.840 you're actually going to convince us that these are girls 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:28.679 really trying to date a guy and find a fiance, 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.640 then actually do it, but in order to have to 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:33.400 like follow certain rules. 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:36.159 And I don't know, roses are just flowers. 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.120 Outside of the bachelor world, So why are we like 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.520 treating it any otherwise? Like it's so crazy in this bubble, 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:43.960 and I think we should pop the bubble a little bit. 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:47.839 Okay, Yeah, and I think that they should. As I've 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.640 said so many times before, the audience always thinks are 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:54.080 a broken record, but it's like, we need more funny, 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:57.080 lighthearted moments. We need to show how the date actually 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:02.239 was not just the serious conversations happened for like twenty 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:05.240 percent of it, because I find that you see the 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:09.760 real connection in those moments where Carolina says, will you 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:11.839 make out with me intensely? And then can I smell 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.839 your armpits? Which is the weirdest thing, but that's a 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:18.800 freak you get any and obviously like they had a 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:22.359 comfortability in which she can say that, and then it 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.760 shows that she's funny, yeah, and then it. 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.200 Leads us to then want to be more invested in 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.560 these people down the line too. I think sometimes what 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:33.039 I've been struggling with as a fan of the show 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:37.600 is because they're only showing us those very, very small, oh, 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.080 let me tell you my trauma moments, and we're not 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:43.119 seeing as much of people's true personalities then as the show. 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.680 Once the show ends and the season raps, I'm not 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:47.960 as inclined to like, want to follow, want to keep 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:49.880 up with what they're doing. If they are brought onto 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.359 Bachelor in Paradise or if they pull someone from another 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.880 season to be a lead, I want to be more 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:56.480 invested in their story, and I think we need to 0:06:56.520 --> 0:07:00.039 see more of those authentic, funny moments so that we 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.040 are invested, Like I think you're actually a perfect example 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:03.800 of this, actually, because we have seen so many like 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:07.560 authentic moments from you over the years, so people continue 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:09.320 to keep up with you, they listen to your podcast, 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:12.680 they follow you like the contestants. Now we're not getting 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:14.840 the same types of followings in the same it's of 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:17.520 engagement as they were back in your era, and I 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:19.120 think that's part of it. 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:22.120 Like huge differences And yeah, I know, social media and 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.640 just following in general is a little less of a 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:27.640 thing these days. You know, like our algorithms aren't designed 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:32.160 as as much for follows. Yeah, but like the difference 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:35.920 is a mens and the difference well chows the decline 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.680 in ratings of course, because there's like one fourth of 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.760 the audience that we had during my season, so obviously 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.600 that's reflected in it. And then I do think there's 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.440 just like a general like disinterest in following them beyond 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.160 the show, and I think that we need to bring 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.600 stuff back, like talking to parrots, Like I think it 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:54.960 was hilarious when they had me talk to a parrot 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.280 and that was the parrot was the producer, Like those 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:00.600 are ridiculous in the Red and yeah, yeah, no, Claire 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:01.640 had a raccoon. 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.640 I know, but like the same same kind of. 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:07.240 Exactly exactly because so much more fun. Also, like you 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:11.040 know that that's a producer and that makes these conversations 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.680 funny too. I know that's just like a paradise thing. 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.880 But do some there's like definitely an audience of people 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:17.560 that don't know. 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:19.520 I feel like it's still two days. 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.360 Yeah, it's very very alarming. 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.200 Yeah, no, it's weird because like on our show, we 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.080 are Our show is all about like exposing what's really 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:31.240 happening and trying to see the edit behind. That's what 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:32.960 I like to do when I watch the show, like 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:36.040 how did this really unfold? Like even Carolina not to 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.720 keep bringing up woman tell All but her walking off stage. Sure, 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:40.480 she may have walked off on her own, but I 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:43.640 can also see a producer on like the Outskirts being like, 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.040 come here, you're upset, Come here, let me get you 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:47.760 to get her off, and then they get. 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:48.439 The scene they want. 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:51.720 And I feel like there's still people that see the 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.760 show at face value, like when someone gets a bad edit, 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:58.840 they're a bad person. And yeah, there's we like opening 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:00.760 people's eyes to the fact that. But like I think 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:05.240 the real villains sorry every season are producers, not the 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:06.000 people on the show. 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.040 Sorry, I don't know if I could say that her 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:09.880 touch has really changed since I've been there. I don't 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.880 have a lot of close ties there. It depends. It 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:16.120 depends on who you are talking about. And two and 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.600 I have a few there that I do love so 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.600 much and I do genuinely think that they care about me, 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:28.400 and nobody can convince me otherwise. Sure, jam yes, really 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:33.160 it's so crazy because last season I saw it again 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:37.160 through like the eyes of being a contestant when I 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.200 you know, I signed my friend up Sidney for the show, 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:45.080 and I would have people come at me in my 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:49.160 DMS being like she's like she's a bad person, like 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:52.960 she's this, she's that, like she's evil, she whatever, And 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.600 I was like, this is so you guys, I just 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.280 need you to like take this a moment to really 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:01.400 think about this. You are DM ing me about my 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:03.839 friend who I've known in real life for two years now, 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.840 and you're telling me that what you have seen on 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:11.319 TV and only the clips that you've seen on TV, 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:14.080 means that you know her more than I know her. 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:18.920 Right person, Yeah, you're a bad person for being her friend? 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:19.839 Why don't you know that? 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.120 I Luckily I didn't get any of that, which was, 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.280 oh really that was surprising actually that I didn't get 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.560 more backlash for just being friends with her. But like, 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:30.560 it was crazy how people were like, no, no, like 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:34.719 she's bad, Like you you really think that what you're 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.040 seeing on TV is more than what I know of her? 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:37.480 It was. 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:40.800 It was really fun. It was funny honestly for you know, 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:44.280 it was fun for me, and it was not fun 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:46.840 for me to have to her obviously be so sad, 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:51.840 but it was so interesting to see it when they're 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:53.760 not talking about you. 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:57.600 Yeah, those crack me up too, because it's like, Okay, 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:01.440 if she's such a bad person, you are bullying a 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:03.840 stranger on the internet, so like, what does that make you? 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:04.240 Like? 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:06.720 The people who actually go to message these things are like, oh, 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:08.959 that person is a bad person. That person's a bad person. 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:11.840 It's like, okay, but isn't it also kind of bad 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:15.640 to just be sending strangers messages that these people are 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:17.400 bad people. It's just so funny to me. 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.920 Yeah, we literally tell people that if you're the type 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.240 of person that goes in the comment section and harasses 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.160 people from the show because of their edit, like please 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:27.200 don't listen to our podcasts, Like, I just don't support 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:30.440 people that act that way. And they are like the 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:33.160 prime example of the people that don't get it. 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:34.719 They literally think. 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.120 The show is what it is and it's not an 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:38.160 edited show. 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:51.360 Yeah, okay, So what do you guys think about Grant? 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:52.200 He's hot. 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:53.000 I like him. 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:58.200 Yeah, I've been pleasantly surprised by Grant. I think for 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.000 a lot of the past few seasons, I've felt frustrated 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:03.559 when they announced the lead because I feel like they 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:07.479 haven't done a great job of showing us like contestant's 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:09.920 true personalities when they're on their season. So then they 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:12.400 announced them as the lead, and like, wait, who what 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:15.280 was their situation? So I felt a little bit that 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:17.200 way about Grant. But I feel like I've come to 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:19.480 get to know him. He's so great. All the girls 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:22.720 seem to genuinely really like him, which I think makes 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:24.960 for a much like juicier season because I feel like 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.599 people's feelings are real and so yeah, I've been so 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:30.160 pleasantly surprised by him and his season. I've been really 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:30.720 enjoying it. 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:34.040 Okay, So I think he's so good looking, and I 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.640 obviously think he's so sweet, and I do really think 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.480 that he is there for the right reasons. He really 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:43.720 wants a wife. But I also I don't know that 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:45.840 the girls have been that drawn to him. I don't. 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:47.920 I think they've been very attulity to him, but I 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:49.959 don't know that anyone feels that they've had like really 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.720 deep connections that they really lost to great love. 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:55.360 Well, that I think is true, though, because I don't 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:58.640 think Grant is having really deep connections with any of 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:00.880 the girls. I think whoever he ends up with, he 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.520 is going to be as in love as he can 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:05.880 be at this phase in his life. But we kind 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.080 of were talking about this, like when we're thinking about who. 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.520 In my opinion on the two frontrunners, Juliana and Latia, 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.800 I feel like he's leaning more towards Juliana, but a 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.240 lot of their conversations do seem a little bit more 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.600 surface level. Maybe we're not ready for full engagement. We're 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:21.440 going to be like boyfriend girlfriend vibes. But that's where 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:23.200 I feel like Grant is at, Like I believe he 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.079 wants a long term girlfriend, but someone like Latia is 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.320 kind of more ready to like settle down, have kids, 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:30.600 And I don't know if like Grant is ready to 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:35.440 like have those conversations really not on the show, Okay, Stephanie. 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:38.080 Yeah, I think he wants a serious girlfriend for sure. 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:41.520 I'm not so buying that. 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.560 Like there was a lot of focus this season on like, oh, 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:46.200 we're going to bring all these random kids on the 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:49.200 basketball date because Grant wants kids, so therefore kids have 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:52.120 to be around. But like I'm I don't think a 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:56.160 guy releasing a single called party Girl is looking to 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:56.880 have kids in the. 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:58.839 Near future, Like maybe in a couple of years. I'm 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:00.319 sure he is, I just. 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:04.560 Don't think today, and I'm just not getting serious father 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.560 figure vibes today. I'm sure he's going to be a 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:10.760 phenomenal father in a few years, but I just I'm 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.080 I'm not buying that too much. And I agree, like 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:15.800 when they announced Grant one, I think ABC did him 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.640 dirty with the announcement because like they didn't even did 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:20.760 they didn'tven announce it on TV when they could have, 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.280 like they had a show airing, they could have just 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:25.280 like put the promo up and let us all get 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:28.640 excited and did it. Wasn't it that like someone tweeted 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:31.760 it from the show Instagram poster, by the way, and 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:34.920 then their reason was, oh, we did that because we 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:36.920 want all the girls to sign up. But I'm like, 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.280 if you wanted more girls to sign up, why wouldn't 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:41.680 you air it on TV where everyone's watching. 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:44.040 It's just nothing makes sense. 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.160 I think they kind of did him dirty in the beginning, 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.760 but I think he's really held his own and I 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:50.840 think the season's been pretty good. 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:52.800 It's better than past seasons. 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:58.320 Joey aside, No, obviously, no, I mean, honestly, I mean Zach. 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.320 I was about to say, I say or not, but like, 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:04.840 for example, I think in Zach's season, I didn't get 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:06.520 the sense that a lot of the girls were that 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:11.160 into him or attracted to him, and that leads to 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:15.080 just more of like a dry season drama wise, whereas 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.120 I feel I do feel like all these girls really 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:20.080 like him. What do you think about his potential music career? 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:21.280 Going back to Grid, I. 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:23.280 Was going to ask you guys that because you just 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:27.080 talked about a single. Yeah, it hasn't really crossed my 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.640 mind lately. I did think it was very swoony when 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:32.680 he when he played the piano to Alex, And apparently 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.880 Alex didn't think it was spoony. She said it was icky. 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:41.160 Yeah, I know on File five? What wait you thought swoony? 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:42.880 Like smoothing? I was like, wait, is that a cool 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:43.880 word means. 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:47.000 This isn't Ashley word means good? I think because you're like, 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:49.480 it made me, it would make it would have made 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:52.520 me swoon. I would like I wouldn't have really known 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:54.200 how to deal with it, Like I would have been 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:57.880 like probably like beat red, but also like I thought 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:01.280 I was a romantic But apparently you think icky. 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:02.400 Yes, Alex thought it was icky. 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:04.680 She said on The Vile Files that she got the 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:08.000 ick and like that's where it started, and apparently continued 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:10.480 we continued, really, oh. 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.480 I don't Maybe I'm misinterpreting. 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.040 What I don't know. No, you know more than I do. 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:17.280 Probably not, but I don't know. 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:21.640 I think if a guy honestly in previous seasons, remember 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:25.840 Casey from like Ali Fedotowski's season, and he's like when 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:30.480 I was flying in the helicopter and she's like awkward, 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:33.320 that's kind of what it was like, I think, randomly 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:34.200 singing yeah. 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:34.640 No oh. 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:36.640 She said that if it was a guitar she would 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:38.680 have felt differently. And I guess maybe like that's the 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:41.400 piano girl in me that I'm like, give me some 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.720 Taylor Hanson on the piano, and well, yeah. 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:46.120 You know, I would have loved it. I feel like 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:48.040 when men can like play the piano and stuff, it's 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.920 like the most attractive. Yeah, I think I would be spooning. 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:52.280 But it wasn't a song. 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:55.280 It was a song. I thought it was a great 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:59.200 song that spot du do dude, yeah, do dude. They 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:01.120 put in all the pre and it got stuck in 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.960 my head. Well, it was no party girl. 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.960 But party girls just want to live the lyric of 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:07.719 a lifetime. 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.120 Yeah, you guys, I didn't listen to party girl. 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:12.960 You don't go to my instagram? 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:13.480 Is it good? 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:17.120 It's a nights like this don't come around too often. 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:20.119 She want to party and a key get in, locked 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:20.760 in and. 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:22.440 Then party girls. They all want to live. 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:25.520 Which do you think that he really wants to pursue 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:26.240 a music career? 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.040 Well, why else would he release it in January twenty 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:29.640 twenty five. 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:31.960 I know, I'm surprised I let him do that. I'm 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:33.960 really surprised. Same. 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:36.119 And to answer your question, I mean, like what happened 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:40.399 to the days of when someone was aspiring musician? They 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:42.680 were there for the wrong reasons. Now our own bachelor 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.600 is allowed to release a single the month that your 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:49.160 own season comes out, Like Jed Wyatt is like cringing somewhere. 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:50.120 I don't think. 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.520 I don't think it's like really fair and granted, like 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.520 you could, granted you could be a guy that like 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:59.440 wants to pursue music. I think the timing is weird. 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.639 It's not like your Spotify list was all these past 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.879 singles that you've tried in the past. You've always been 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:06.639 into music, you've been trying to make it big, and 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:09.440 it just so happens you're the Bachelor. It was January 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:12.440 twenty five, twenty twenty five, that your first single comes out. 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:16.760 No One is Suspicious. Yeah, it's weird. It's hilarious to 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.400 see the difference with Jed and him. Well, Jed had 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:21.160 Yeah problem wasn't the music? 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:23.680 Okay, going back to the Jed thing. That was kind 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:28.080