1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome to another episode of the Almost Famous podcast. 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 2: Today's a girl talk podcast. I have Stephanie and Jackie 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 2: from the She's All Batch podcast. They're the two hosts 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 2: who I feel like do the juicy scoop when it 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,159 Speaker 2: comes to the Bachelor. You guys always get me with 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 2: your teases. Your your social media teases are so good 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 2: and I love this. I love this. You guys are 10 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 2: not afraid to say certain things because you have no 11 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: ties to the Bachelor franchise. You don't have to be 12 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: on your best behavior. You don't have to meet people 13 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: if you don't want to ever meet them, You can 14 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: literally talk all the shit you want. Yeah. 15 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 3: True, we're very unfiltered in that way. It's such an 16 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 3: honor to hear that. You think we get like such 17 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 3: juicy clips and interviews and stuff. That's what we have 18 00:00:55,400 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 3: been trying to do over the years. But yeah, we agreed. 19 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 3: We sometimes can say whatever we want because we don't 20 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 3: have to meet these people. The problem comes in sometimes 21 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 3: when then we do and they're like you said about 22 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 3: me on this podcast, this is this that I'm like, Oh, 23 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 3: my god, I'm sorry, I forgot that sometimes Bachelor people 24 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 3: also then listen. 25 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 4: Now, I will say we do like to obviously be 26 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 4: fair and like we try to obviously keep that in mind, 27 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 4: and we always tell our listeners too, like, this is 28 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 4: about an edit on a TV show. 29 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 5: It is a tiaving show. 30 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 4: At the end of the day, we almost talk about 31 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 4: it like characters, because it is characters. They're not, you know, 32 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 4: we're watching a scripted not a scripted TV show, but 33 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 4: an edited TV show obviously, so we we like to 34 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 4: keep that in mind. 35 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 2: All right, So we want to talk about Bachelor on 36 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: a macro level on this podcast, basically talk about all 37 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: the things that Ben and I pepper into episodes throughout 38 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: the year. Right, I think the number one question is 39 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: when did the show go awry? Why did it get 40 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: off the hinge after it seemed to be recovering after 41 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: Joey's season. After Joey's season was like, we are back 42 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: on track, we are a great show. There are tiktoks 43 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: and memes being made about the Bachelor, how hot and 44 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 2: charming he is, and now all of a sudden, we 45 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: cancel Bachelorette for the season because you don't have enough 46 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: spark in the franchise. What's going on in your opinions? 47 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,279 Speaker 3: What is going on? Maybe you know more than us, No. 48 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,839 Speaker 2: No, no, no, I talk about this all the time. 49 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 2: I need to know from the outsider perspective. 50 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 3: Well, but wasn't there some deadline article that, Yeah, the 51 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 3: reason why Bachelot actually isn't coming back is because there 52 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 3: was drama with producers and stuff and that they weren't 53 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 3: able to kind of agree on like a vision. 54 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: Yes, there seems to be that. Yeah, it seems to 55 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: be more about casting than it was about ratings. 56 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 4: We heard your tea about the Rachel, Rekia and Maria. 57 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: Well, what's interesting about the Rachel thing is Rachel texted 58 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: after that podcast and she goes, I didn't hear from 59 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 2: them whatsoever, So that may have been behind the scenes rumblings, 60 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 2: like as in the producers were considering her, but she 61 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 2: didn't get the word yet because like they weren't agreeing. 62 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 4: Interesting, my take is that, like, I'm really excited that 63 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 4: they're shaking up Bachelor in Paradise, with Jesse saying that 64 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 4: in two weeks they're going to let us know like 65 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 4: what they're really doing with Bachelor in paradise and how 66 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 4: it's going to be different. I do think it's time 67 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 4: for them to shake up this model. And I think 68 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 4: the only reason why they didn't say it about the 69 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 4: Bachelor two is because The Bachelor's currently airing and we're 70 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 4: not going to get another Bachelor season until next year, 71 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 4: and I think by that point maybe they will have 72 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 4: made some changes. 73 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: So I don't know. 74 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 4: I think that could be they want to make some 75 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 4: changes behind the scenes, and in order to do so, 76 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 4: they maybe need to take a season off to like, 77 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 4: I don't know, higher different people. 78 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, get in a boardroom and figure out what the 79 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 5: hell they're going to do. But we'll see. 80 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 4: I'm excited for I do think after all this time, 81 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 4: we may need to shake things up a little bit. 82 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 2: And what does that mean to you? Do you have 83 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: suggestions to me? 84 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 3: At least I feel like and I feel like we 85 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 3: talk about this a lot too, like the audience has. 86 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: We've all been. 87 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 3: Watching reality TV now for years and years and years. 88 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 3: I think the audience gets a lot smarter about some 89 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 3: of the classic tropes of like some frank and biting 90 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 3: or some editing, and we're we always talk on our 91 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 3: podcast and we try to make sure we're like, Okay, 92 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: this person said this to this person, but did you 93 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,799 Speaker 3: really see them in a two shot? Like what's actually 94 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 3: going on? And I feel like the past few seasons 95 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 3: they lean in a lot to this very forced, manipulated drama, 96 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 3: and I think it would actually be a better experience 97 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 3: if we acknowledge, like, hey, the audience is smart, they 98 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 3: know what's going on, like break the fourth wall a 99 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 3: little bit and kind of let actual genuine drama unfold. Sorry, Stephanie, 100 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 3: I interrupted you there. What were you gonna say? Now? 101 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 4: That honestly a lot of that, But like it is 102 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 4: twenty twenty five, and I feel like they're not really 103 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 4: adapting to the current times. 104 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 5: I do think breaking the fourth wall would hell. 105 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 2: Love to break the fourth wall. Those are the most 106 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: exciting moments best. 107 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, even in the Women Tell All recap that we 108 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 4: just recorded the girls yelling at Carolina and saying like 109 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 4: you shouldn't have pulled Grant at this point. 110 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 5: Because you already had a rose, like all this stuff. 111 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 4: If you are actually taking this seriously, why does it 112 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 4: matter who has a rose? 113 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 5: Like she's just trying to pull the guy and talk 114 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 5: to him. 115 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 4: So I hate, like the rules like, let's actually, if 116 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 4: you're actually going to convince us that these are girls 117 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,679 Speaker 4: really trying to date a guy and find a fiance, 118 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 4: then actually do it, but in order to have to 119 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 4: like follow certain rules. 120 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 5: And I don't know, roses are just flowers. 121 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 4: Outside of the bachelor world, So why are we like 122 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 4: treating it any otherwise? Like it's so crazy in this bubble, 123 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 4: and I think we should pop the bubble a little bit. 124 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, and I think that they should. As I've 125 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: said so many times before, the audience always thinks are 126 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 2: a broken record, but it's like, we need more funny, 127 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: lighthearted moments. We need to show how the date actually 128 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:02,239 Speaker 2: was not just the serious conversations happened for like twenty 129 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: percent of it, because I find that you see the 130 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: real connection in those moments where Carolina says, will you 131 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 2: make out with me intensely? And then can I smell 132 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 2: your armpits? Which is the weirdest thing, but that's a 133 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 2: freak you get any and obviously like they had a 134 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 2: comfortability in which she can say that, and then it 135 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: shows that she's funny, yeah, and then it. 136 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 3: Leads us to then want to be more invested in 137 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: these people down the line too. I think sometimes what 138 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 3: I've been struggling with as a fan of the show 139 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 3: is because they're only showing us those very, very small, oh, 140 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 3: let me tell you my trauma moments, and we're not 141 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,119 Speaker 3: seeing as much of people's true personalities then as the show. 142 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 3: Once the show ends and the season raps, I'm not 143 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 3: as inclined to like, want to follow, want to keep 144 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 3: up with what they're doing. If they are brought onto 145 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 3: Bachelor in Paradise or if they pull someone from another 146 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: season to be a lead, I want to be more 147 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 3: invested in their story, and I think we need to 148 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,039 Speaker 3: see more of those authentic, funny moments so that we 149 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 3: are invested, Like I think you're actually a perfect example 150 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 3: of this, actually, because we have seen so many like 151 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 3: authentic moments from you over the years, so people continue 152 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 3: to keep up with you, they listen to your podcast, 153 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 3: they follow you like the contestants. Now we're not getting 154 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 3: the same types of followings in the same it's of 155 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 3: engagement as they were back in your era, and I 156 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 3: think that's part of it. 157 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: Like huge differences And yeah, I know, social media and 158 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: just following in general is a little less of a 159 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 2: thing these days. You know, like our algorithms aren't designed 160 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: as as much for follows. Yeah, but like the difference 161 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: is a mens and the difference well chows the decline 162 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: in ratings of course, because there's like one fourth of 163 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 2: the audience that we had during my season, so obviously 164 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: that's reflected in it. And then I do think there's 165 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: just like a general like disinterest in following them beyond 166 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: the show, and I think that we need to bring 167 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: stuff back, like talking to parrots, Like I think it 168 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: was hilarious when they had me talk to a parrot 169 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: and that was the parrot was the producer, Like those 170 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: are ridiculous in the Red and yeah, yeah, no, Claire 171 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 2: had a raccoon. 172 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 5: I know, but like the same same kind of. 173 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 2: Exactly exactly because so much more fun. Also, like you 174 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: know that that's a producer and that makes these conversations 175 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 2: funny too. I know that's just like a paradise thing. 176 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 4: But do some there's like definitely an audience of people 177 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 4: that don't know. 178 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 5: I feel like it's still two days. 179 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very very alarming. 180 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's weird because like on our show, we 181 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 4: are Our show is all about like exposing what's really 182 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 4: happening and trying to see the edit behind. That's what 183 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 4: I like to do when I watch the show, like 184 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 4: how did this really unfold? Like even Carolina not to 185 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 4: keep bringing up woman tell All but her walking off stage. Sure, 186 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 4: she may have walked off on her own, but I 187 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 4: can also see a producer on like the Outskirts being like, 188 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 4: come here, you're upset, Come here, let me get you 189 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 4: to get her off, and then they get. 190 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 5: The scene they want. 191 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 4: And I feel like there's still people that see the 192 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 4: show at face value, like when someone gets a bad edit, 193 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 4: they're a bad person. And yeah, there's we like opening 194 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 4: people's eyes to the fact that. But like I think 195 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 4: the real villains sorry every season are producers, not the 196 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 4: people on the show. 197 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: Sorry, I don't know if I could say that her 198 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 2: touch has really changed since I've been there. I don't 199 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: have a lot of close ties there. It depends. It 200 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 2: depends on who you are talking about. And two and 201 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: I have a few there that I do love so 202 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 2: much and I do genuinely think that they care about me, 203 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: and nobody can convince me otherwise. Sure, jam yes, really 204 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: it's so crazy because last season I saw it again 205 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 2: through like the eyes of being a contestant when I 206 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 2: you know, I signed my friend up Sidney for the show, 207 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 2: and I would have people come at me in my 208 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 2: DMS being like she's like she's a bad person, like 209 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 2: she's this, she's that, like she's evil, she whatever, And 210 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 2: I was like, this is so you guys, I just 211 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 2: need you to like take this a moment to really 212 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: think about this. You are DM ing me about my 213 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 2: friend who I've known in real life for two years now, 214 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 2: and you're telling me that what you have seen on 215 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 2: TV and only the clips that you've seen on TV, 216 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 2: means that you know her more than I know her. 217 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 5: Right person, Yeah, you're a bad person for being her friend? 218 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 5: Why don't you know that? 219 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: I Luckily I didn't get any of that, which was, 220 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: oh really that was surprising actually that I didn't get 221 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 2: more backlash for just being friends with her. But like, 222 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 2: it was crazy how people were like, no, no, like 223 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 2: she's bad, Like you you really think that what you're 224 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 2: seeing on TV is more than what I know of her? 225 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 3: It was. 226 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 2: It was really fun. It was funny honestly for you know, 227 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: it was fun for me, and it was not fun 228 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 2: for me to have to her obviously be so sad, 229 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 2: but it was so interesting to see it when they're 230 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: not talking about you. 231 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, those crack me up too, because it's like, Okay, 232 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 3: if she's such a bad person, you are bullying a 233 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 3: stranger on the internet, so like, what does that make you? 234 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 2: Like? 235 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 3: The people who actually go to message these things are like, oh, 236 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 3: that person is a bad person. That person's a bad person. 237 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 3: It's like, okay, but isn't it also kind of bad 238 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 3: to just be sending strangers messages that these people are 239 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 3: bad people. It's just so funny to me. 240 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, we literally tell people that if you're the type 241 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 4: of person that goes in the comment section and harasses 242 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 4: people from the show because of their edit, like please 243 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 4: don't listen to our podcasts, Like, I just don't support 244 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 4: people that act that way. And they are like the 245 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 4: prime example of the people that don't get it. 246 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 5: They literally think. 247 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 4: The show is what it is and it's not an 248 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 4: edited show. 249 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So what do you guys think about Grant? 250 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 5: He's hot. 251 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: I like him. 252 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been pleasantly surprised by Grant. I think for 253 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 3: a lot of the past few seasons, I've felt frustrated 254 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 3: when they announced the lead because I feel like they 255 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,479 Speaker 3: haven't done a great job of showing us like contestant's 256 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 3: true personalities when they're on their season. So then they 257 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 3: announced them as the lead, and like, wait, who what 258 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 3: was their situation? So I felt a little bit that 259 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 3: way about Grant. But I feel like I've come to 260 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 3: get to know him. He's so great. All the girls 261 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 3: seem to genuinely really like him, which I think makes 262 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 3: for a much like juicier season because I feel like 263 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,599 Speaker 3: people's feelings are real and so yeah, I've been so 264 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 3: pleasantly surprised by him and his season. I've been really 265 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 3: enjoying it. 266 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 2: Okay, So I think he's so good looking, and I 267 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 2: obviously think he's so sweet, and I do really think 268 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 2: that he is there for the right reasons. He really 269 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 2: wants a wife. But I also I don't know that 270 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 2: the girls have been that drawn to him. I don't. 271 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: I think they've been very attulity to him, but I 272 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 2: don't know that anyone feels that they've had like really 273 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 2: deep connections that they really lost to great love. 274 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 3: Well, that I think is true, though, because I don't 275 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 3: think Grant is having really deep connections with any of 276 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 3: the girls. I think whoever he ends up with, he 277 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 3: is going to be as in love as he can 278 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 3: be at this phase in his life. But we kind 279 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 3: of were talking about this, like when we're thinking about who. 280 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 3: In my opinion on the two frontrunners, Juliana and Latia, 281 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 3: I feel like he's leaning more towards Juliana, but a 282 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 3: lot of their conversations do seem a little bit more 283 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 3: surface level. Maybe we're not ready for full engagement. We're 284 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 3: going to be like boyfriend girlfriend vibes. But that's where 285 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 3: I feel like Grant is at, Like I believe he 286 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 3: wants a long term girlfriend, but someone like Latia is 287 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 3: kind of more ready to like settle down, have kids, 288 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 3: And I don't know if like Grant is ready to 289 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 3: like have those conversations really not on the show, Okay, Stephanie. 290 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he wants a serious girlfriend for sure. 291 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 5: I'm not so buying that. 292 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 4: Like there was a lot of focus this season on like, oh, 293 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 4: we're going to bring all these random kids on the 294 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 4: basketball date because Grant wants kids, so therefore kids have 295 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 4: to be around. But like I'm I don't think a 296 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 4: guy releasing a single called party Girl is looking to 297 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 4: have kids in the. 298 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 5: Near future, Like maybe in a couple of years. I'm 299 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 5: sure he is, I just. 300 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 4: Don't think today, and I'm just not getting serious father 301 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 4: figure vibes today. I'm sure he's going to be a 302 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 4: phenomenal father in a few years, but I just I'm 303 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 4: I'm not buying that too much. And I agree, like 304 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 4: when they announced Grant one, I think ABC did him 305 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 4: dirty with the announcement because like they didn't even did 306 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 4: they didn'tven announce it on TV when they could have, 307 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 4: like they had a show airing, they could have just 308 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 4: like put the promo up and let us all get 309 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 4: excited and did it. Wasn't it that like someone tweeted 310 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 4: it from the show Instagram poster, by the way, and 311 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 4: then their reason was, oh, we did that because we 312 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 4: want all the girls to sign up. But I'm like, 313 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 4: if you wanted more girls to sign up, why wouldn't 314 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 4: you air it on TV where everyone's watching. 315 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 5: It's just nothing makes sense. 316 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 4: I think they kind of did him dirty in the beginning, 317 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 4: but I think he's really held his own and I 318 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 4: think the season's been pretty good. 319 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 5: It's better than past seasons. 320 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 4: Joey aside, No, obviously, no, I mean, honestly, I mean Zach. 321 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 3: I was about to say, I say or not, but like, 322 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 3: for example, I think in Zach's season, I didn't get 323 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 3: the sense that a lot of the girls were that 324 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 3: into him or attracted to him, and that leads to 325 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 3: just more of like a dry season drama wise, whereas 326 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 3: I feel I do feel like all these girls really 327 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 3: like him. What do you think about his potential music career? 328 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 3: Going back to Grid, I. 329 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 2: Was going to ask you guys that because you just 330 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 2: talked about a single. Yeah, it hasn't really crossed my 331 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 2: mind lately. I did think it was very swoony when 332 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 2: he when he played the piano to Alex, And apparently 333 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: Alex didn't think it was spoony. She said it was icky. 334 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, I know on File five? What wait you thought swoony? 335 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 5: Like smoothing? I was like, wait, is that a cool 336 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 5: word means. 337 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 2: This isn't Ashley word means good? I think because you're like, 338 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: it made me, it would make it would have made 339 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: me swoon. I would like I wouldn't have really known 340 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 2: how to deal with it, Like I would have been 341 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: like probably like beat red, but also like I thought 342 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 2: I was a romantic But apparently you think icky. 343 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 5: Yes, Alex thought it was icky. 344 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 4: She said on The Vile Files that she got the 345 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 4: ick and like that's where it started, and apparently continued 346 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 4: we continued, really, oh. 347 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 5: I don't Maybe I'm misinterpreting. 348 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 2: What I don't know. No, you know more than I do. 349 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 5: Probably not, but I don't know. 350 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 4: I think if a guy honestly in previous seasons, remember 351 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 4: Casey from like Ali Fedotowski's season, and he's like when 352 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 4: I was flying in the helicopter and she's like awkward, 353 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 4: that's kind of what it was like, I think, randomly 354 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 4: singing yeah. 355 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 5: No oh. 356 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: She said that if it was a guitar she would 357 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: have felt differently. And I guess maybe like that's the 358 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: piano girl in me that I'm like, give me some 359 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 2: Taylor Hanson on the piano, and well, yeah. 360 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 3: You know, I would have loved it. I feel like 361 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 3: when men can like play the piano and stuff, it's 362 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 3: like the most attractive. Yeah, I think I would be spooning. 363 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 5: But it wasn't a song. 364 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 2: It was a song. I thought it was a great 365 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: song that spot du do dude, yeah, do dude. They 366 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: put in all the pre and it got stuck in 367 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 2: my head. Well, it was no party girl. 368 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 3: But party girls just want to live the lyric of 369 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 3: a lifetime. 370 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys, I didn't listen to party girl. 371 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 5: You don't go to my instagram? 372 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 2: Is it good? 373 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 4: It's a nights like this don't come around too often. 374 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 4: She want to party and a key get in, locked 375 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 4: in and. 376 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 5: Then party girls. They all want to live. 377 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 2: Which do you think that he really wants to pursue 378 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 2: a music career? 379 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 4: Well, why else would he release it in January twenty 380 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 4: twenty five. 381 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 2: I know, I'm surprised I let him do that. I'm 382 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 2: really surprised. Same. 383 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 4: And to answer your question, I mean, like what happened 384 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 4: to the days of when someone was aspiring musician? They 385 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 4: were there for the wrong reasons. Now our own bachelor 386 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 4: is allowed to release a single the month that your 387 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 4: own season comes out, Like Jed Wyatt is like cringing somewhere. 388 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: I don't think. 389 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 4: I don't think it's like really fair and granted, like 390 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 4: you could, granted you could be a guy that like 391 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 4: wants to pursue music. I think the timing is weird. 392 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 4: It's not like your Spotify list was all these past 393 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 4: singles that you've tried in the past. You've always been 394 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 4: into music, you've been trying to make it big, and 395 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 4: it just so happens you're the Bachelor. It was January 396 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 4: twenty five, twenty twenty five, that your first single comes out. 397 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 2: No One is Suspicious. Yeah, it's weird. It's hilarious to 398 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 2: see the difference with Jed and him. Well, Jed had 399 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 2: Yeah problem wasn't the music? 400 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 3: Okay, going back to the Jed thing. That was kind 401 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 3: of my point is like, did we like Jed's music? No, 402 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 3: not really, but we all knew it was something he 403 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 3: wanted to pursue. And the real reason why people were 404 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 3: so unhappy with Jed was because of the going on 405 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 3: the show with a girlfriend kind of cheating thing. Less 406 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 3: so about the music. 407 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that got the music got cringy at a 408 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 2: certain point. 409 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 3: Oh for sure. I mean it was like, what was 410 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 3: he played dog jingles? Food jingles? Yeah? Yeah, dog food jingles? 411 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 4: Okay, Ashley on your season though, Britt got harassed because 412 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 4: she had an acting background and everyone's like, oh, you're 413 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 4: just here to be an actress and look at her. 414 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 5: She couldn't be further from the limeline. It's the least 415 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 5: like she wants nothing to do with. 416 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 4: Fame, and everyone was like you you were an actress, 417 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 4: obviously that you're here for the wrong reasons. So I 418 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 4: just feel like we're changing the way we view things here. 419 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 3: But the musicians not also want love. My opinion is 420 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 3: both these can be true. He can be pursuing his 421 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 3: music career because it's a great opportunities on national television, 422 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 3: but also won a long term girlfriend. 423 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 4: Yes, I agree, Yeah, you're totally the timing of it. 424 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 4: Musicians can have love. I think the timing is a 425 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 4: little weird. I also think ABC had to have been 426 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 4: either behind it or approved of it. 427 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 2: Because they well, they definitely approved of it. I think 428 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 2: that they were just I just think that they're making 429 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: the strangest decisions and that that's all I have. 430 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 4: And then he's sang multiple times though too, not just 431 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 4: with Alex. 432 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 5: Then the other date, the date it was like two 433 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 5: dates in a row, he was singing, and that's when 434 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 5: all paired together kind and then he. 435 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 3: Wrapped on the plane with Carolina. I think there was 436 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 3: a lot of performance. I don't mind. Yeah, I'm like, 437 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 3: the whole wrong reasons police thing. 438 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 2: I'm not down for that because, like, I think you 439 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 2: could be there for multiple reasons, and I would consider 440 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 2: myself there for multiple reasons. But I think as long 441 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 2: as you actually want to fall in love and get 442 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 2: married one day and one day in the near future, 443 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 2: you're all good to be there. Anyway, what do we 444 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 2: think about fantasy suits next week? Did you hear that 445 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 2: he's celibate? What? 446 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 3: No, I did not hear. 447 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 2: Reality told me that he's been celibate since his last girlfriend, 448 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 2: so he's going on a year, so he's going to 449 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: the fantasy suites like this, So maybe Latia is not 450 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 2: going to have to have some awkward moment where she's like, hey, 451 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 2: by the way, like obviously a Mormon. I know that is. 452 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 4: Grant, also DM ing him telling him about his personal. 453 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 2: List, said it somewhere. I hope it's brought up next 454 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 2: week and may and may not. I don't know. 455 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, why wouldn't they bring it up in the show? 456 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: Oh? 457 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 3: I don't know. 458 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 2: It seems like the perfect tease. Oh look, we're getting 459 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 2: a People article. Oh yeah, People dot come is saying 460 00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 2: the fantasy suite's a year after being celibate. 461 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 5: Wait, so that that would mean he's a born again virgin, right. 462 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. It's importing. 463 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 3: Does he celeb it by choice or by just a 464 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 3: circumbidance that he hasn't happened to be with someone serious 465 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 3: enough to hook up with them. 466 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 2: He could just walk it anywhere. He could be in 467 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 2: the grocery store and be like, hey, you know, definitely 468 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 2: definitely got to be by choice. 469 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 4: Isn't that also like a dry spell? Like so he's 470 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 4: not trying to not have sex? 471 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 2: No, no, okay, So fantasy suites is really tricky, but 472 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 2: I think I handled myself very well. There was a 473 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 2: lot of kisses, but I do feel like in fantasy 474 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 2: suits I really reserve myself because when you get physically 475 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 2: physical intimacy involved, that changes things you're connection with somebody. 476 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 2: There could be some red flags there and then then 477 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 2: you guys have sex and then everything's wonderful. So I 478 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 2: try to handle myself really well, and I tried to 479 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 2: be really responsible. But he said on the viol Files 480 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 2: that files, yeah, I know. I don'tly know why, I 481 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 2: said one of my best friends saying that word. He 482 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 2: did say on the viol Files that yeah, he's been 483 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 2: celibate for a year, went in with real intentions. He 484 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 2: said he got out of a seven year relationship and 485 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: he was hurting, and that he just just seems like 486 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 2: he didn't want to he didn't want to get into 487 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 2: the bed. 488 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 3: Okay, So this wasn't like a lifestyle change. 489 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 2: And no, it wasn't like he was going to be 490 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 2: like a Sean Lowe and like, yeah, it would be 491 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 2: a born again virgin where you're like, yeah, okay, I'm 492 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 2: not going to have sex until like marriage. No, this 493 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 2: is more of like I'm waiting for the responsible and 494 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 2: right moment. M hmm. 495 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 5: Okay, is that in the fantasy Suite? 496 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: Is that in the fantasy Suite? It sounds as if no, 497 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 2: just listening to his quotes here, right. 498 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 4: Well, bummer, I was looking for I was kind of 499 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 4: looking forward to like a Maddie Prue Peter Webber situation 500 00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 4: where she gives. 501 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 5: Him the ultimatum and he doesn't know what to do. 502 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 5: I feel like that. I mean, he says in. 503 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 4: The preview, look forward to my demise or stay tuned 504 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 4: for my demise. 505 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think I know what that is. Oh what, 506 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 2: let's just say we have intel where you cannot release 507 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 2: any sources. It may not be true. There might be 508 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 2: a coin, there might not be a coin. There might 509 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 2: be a coin that's never aired or whatever. If there 510 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 2: was a coin flip, let's just say. 511 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 4: There's a coin flip. That's what I'm taking from this, 512 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 4: I know, but I don't know. 513 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 2: Okay, sure, but if there was, is this even something 514 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 2: that they would air because it would villainize him like 515 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: no other I believe No. 516 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 5: They would not air that. But that's crazy. If that actually. 517 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 3: Happened, I wouldn't they air it? It would villainize him, 518 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 3: but would make for great television. Well, since when do 519 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 3: they care about protecting their leads and not villainizing them. 520 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 3: I feel like, true, they've had some Bachelor like the 521 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 3: way they treated Clayton. I'm like, I don't know. They 522 00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 3: like to make a villain out of a lead. 523 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: I feel could you imagine being a woman and realizing 524 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 2: that you got proposed to because of a flip of 525 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 2: a coin? 526 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 5: No, And which is why I think there's a chance 527 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 5: that granted single. 528 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 2: Okay, because after the fact she would find out that 529 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: she was chosen with the flip of a coin. 530 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, or realizing that it was so like frivolous one 531 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 3: or the other. Yeah, that he wasn't as sure as 532 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 3: maybe he was saying. 533 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 2: Do you think if you're that torn, that perhaps neither 534 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 2: person is your person. 535 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 3: Yes, correct, I do think so. Maybe it's a crazy 536 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 3: concept to go on a reality TV show and in 537 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 3: six weeks get engaged to someone you barely know. 538 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like Tenley said not to be so 539 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 4: oj But like Tenley said that to Jake because he's like, oh, 540 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 4: it was a really close call between you and Vienna, 541 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 4: and she's like, well, I'm glad that I'm not Vienna then, 542 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 4: because if it was that close, I don't want to 543 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 4: be the girl that you chose. 544 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 5: And it's like accurate. 545 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, And just to know, the whole poll this whole 546 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 4: season was he doesn't know which one he's going to 547 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 4: pick between the two girls, Like there is one girl 548 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 4: he does pick, though, and how do you think she. 549 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 2: Feels exactly, which is why we have to predict that 550 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 2: if he's with the girl, it's not a solid relationship 551 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 2: right now. And even if there's no dramatic way in 552 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 2: which she chooses the girl, it definitely seemed as if 553 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 2: there's some reason that the audience isn't going to love 554 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 2: him at the end. 555 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 5: There's like no way they will show him flipping a coin. 556 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 5: That is maybe a mockery. 557 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 2: Maybe I know, I know. Maybe I'm just coming up 558 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 2: with that at the top of my head. 559 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 3: Boy, that it's like classic. The promo is trying to 560 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 3: trick us and make us think something is more dramatic, 561 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 3: Like how many times has Jesse Palmer said to me, 562 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 3: this is the most dramatic ending ever and guess what 563 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 3: it wasn't Like. I sometimes get really skeptical about what 564 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 3: they show us in the promo, what they tease. Maybe 565 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 3: it's nothing, is that possible? 566 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 4: Or this is behind the scenes te He's not flipping 567 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 4: a coin in the promo. 568 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 2: You would think if it was a coin thing, that 569 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: they would like have this dramatic moment in which like 570 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 2: a coin hits a hand or like a coin hits 571 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 2: the floor. 572 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 5: And they're like, why is he flipping the coin? 573 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 2: And then like in real and normal bachelor seasons, it 574 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 2: would be like part of a group date and then 575 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 2: you'd be like, oh my yeah, that coin flip is 576 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 2: part of a group date. They had to decide who 577 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 2: went first. 578 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 3: I know exactly that like trickery that I'm always looking 579 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 3: out for. 580 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 2: Who knows, we'll see I guess I want to end 581 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 2: this by asking you guys, who your prediction is that, Well, okay, 582 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 2: let's pretend it's not a coin flip. Who do you 583 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 2: think that he actually has a stronger connection with And 584 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 2: will Letia's Mormon faith play a role in his selection, 585 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 2: because to me, she's the front runner, She's the greatest 586 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 2: connection he has. But perhaps it's all too intense for 587 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 2: him when it comes down to it. 588 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 3: That's actually kind of exactly how I feel. I think 589 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 3: he's going to pick Juliana. I agree that Lytia is 590 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 3: an incredibly strong connection as well, but I do think 591 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 3: like the back ground of Lytia and going into her 592 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 3: Mormon faith and just the fact that she seems so 593 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 3: ready to want to like have a family immediately, and 594 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 3: I think Juliana is maybe a little bit more in 595 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 3: the phase of life that grantson where she would like 596 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 3: to have a really long engagement or date long term, 597 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 3: Like Juliana just seems like the better fit for right now. 598 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, the age difference between Juliana and Lytia makes a 599 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 2: difference too, because you know, Lytia is thirty one, she's Mormon, 600 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 2: she's ready to do this, and Juliana will give him 601 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 2: a little bit more. 602 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 4: Eas But maybe that's the right choice for him because 603 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 4: he has a new song out called party Girl, and 604 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 4: maybe that's he wants a long term girlfriend that he 605 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 4: can go to the club with. 606 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 2: Right, so he would pick Julia's not go into the 607 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 2: club with Latia. Latti is not going to go to 608 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 2: the clo. 609 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 5: No, no, I'm saying Juliana. I'm saying, like I do. 610 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 4: I agree Latia is probably that I would choose Lytia 611 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 4: and I want to date Lya, But like I think 612 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 4: he'll choose Juliana and maybe that will be the better 613 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 4: fit long term because of what he really is looking 614 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 4: for right now, and then he can then pursue Latia 615 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 4: later when he wants marriage. 616 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 3: What's the coin? And he's like, all right, Juliana for now, 617 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 3: I'll get serious with Latina in three years. 618 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 2: It's perfect. All right. Well, ladies, this was really fun. 619 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 2: Please come back again and we can have some more 620 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 2: fun speculating about coin tosses in the future of the franchise. 621 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 2: Until then, though, I've been Ashley, I've been Stephanie, I've 622 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 2: been Jackie. Thanks forgetting it, guys, We'll see you next time. 623 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: Bye bye, follow the Ben and Ashley I almost famous 624 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.