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Speaker 2: For me, I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so

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Speaker 2: many players say, well, I want to be happy. You

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Speaker 2: Whoo whoom? And Dan and Tie, Dan Rubinstein, I have

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Speaker 2: a fun fact for you about today's episode.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready.

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Speaker 2: Did you know it has been just a shade over

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Speaker 2: nine years since we last recorded this concept and put

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Speaker 2: it out into the verbollerhood Wow.

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Speaker 1: So we're essentially booke ending Cam McCormick's college football career

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Speaker 1: with the Secret Garbage Bracket. Yes, it is back.

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Speaker 2: The Secret Garbage Bracket is back. Yes, indeed.

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Speaker 1: Quick disclaimer, this ninety nine point eight seven percent of

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Speaker 1: the time as a college football broadcast, today as an

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Speaker 1: off topic episod, so there will be some college football seasoning,

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Speaker 1: but this is not a college football episode. We have

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Speaker 1: recorded every week, twice a week, three times if you

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Speaker 1: are paying Patreon member college football episodes all ip off

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Speaker 1: season long, will continue to do so. But the Secret

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Speaker 1: Garbage Bracket is near and dear to our hearts, and

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Speaker 1: Tie will take it away explaining what that means if

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Speaker 1: you were not with us nine years ago.

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Speaker 2: Nine years ago and I will link it up in

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Speaker 2: the description. You had the idea in effect of bracketing

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Speaker 2: things that are universally liked, things that I think have

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Speaker 2: a high Q rating, let's say. But in reality we

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Speaker 2: agreed we're secret garbage, I e. Big time overrated. Yes,

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Speaker 2: so we put together a sixteen thing bracket back on

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Speaker 2: March the seventeenth, twenty seventeen. I will again link that up.

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Speaker 2: The winner of that tournament way back when was social media. Now.

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Speaker 2: At the time when you and I did that episode,

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Speaker 2: I remembered arguing with you tooth and nail about social media,

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Speaker 2: not because I was any sort of influencer or had

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Speaker 2: it rose to the level of some of these other

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Speaker 2: items that we had on our bracket. I'm looking at

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Speaker 2: them now, I'm reading them off. We had Las Vegas,

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Speaker 2: and social media emerged out of the West Region as

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Speaker 2: our victor. Now, in hindsight, even though I argued against

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Speaker 2: Social media kind of a disaster if you've been out

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Speaker 2: there lately. So if nothing more, perhaps this is a

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Speaker 2: bit prophetic. We'll see if we do this show nine

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Speaker 2: years from now, if any of these predictions come true,

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Speaker 2: and if any of what we decide on today ends

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Speaker 1: So it's whether or not we are going to be

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Speaker 1: like frivolous Michael Burry, right, the investor from the Big

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Speaker 1: Short That's right, who was like, I'm shorting water right.

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Speaker 1: He always has something where I don't know. His investment

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Speaker 1: we are frivolous Bury's If that's okay of a phrase

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Speaker 2: We have eighteen items that we have included in this

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Speaker 2: year's tournament. Some of those were sourced from our friends

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Speaker 2: out at verballers dot com, where you can go if

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Speaker 2: you want to support the show. Most of them, though,

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Speaker 2: we're from you and I both in I know for

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Speaker 2: certain both of us have been keeping track of our

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Speaker 2: we now have to play in games, just like in

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Speaker 2: the real NCAA tournament. Before we get into it, I

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Speaker 2: for the verballer hood to play on their own. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Go to garbage, that solid verbal dot com. If you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's I want to be absolutely clear in

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right and to the point. I approach this

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Speaker 2: I get it. We have eighteen items here, as I said,

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Speaker 2: our favorites from the verballerhood. Dan, Shall we dive into

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Speaker 2: this latest iteration the Secret Garbage Bracket Secret Garbage twenty

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Speaker 1: Let's roll.

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Speaker 2: Our first matchup is a play in game. The winner

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Speaker 2: This is a matchup between playing Team A Skinny Beverage

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Speaker 1: Okay, these are both your entries.

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Speaker 2: They are Please explain Skinny beverage Cans I presented this

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Speaker 1: Like they wiggle around because they don't occupy enough space.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so they either make like six or eight ounce

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Speaker 1: Sure those are a little Those are okay by you,

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Speaker 2: I get that. And then the luxury watches thing, I've

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Speaker 1: But does that make it secret trash that hasn't affected

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Speaker 2: It hasn't affected my life. But if you've done any

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Speaker 2: fancy ones you see commercials for. This could even extend

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Speaker 2: to things like Apple watches. Not a sponsor, probably won't

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Speaker 1: That goes into a time piece. And then look, there's

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Speaker 2: I've had many bad haircuts. The so you wanted this

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Speaker 1: Okay, you start with obtaining a car. It could not

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Speaker 1: of on a windy road full of leaves and there's

434
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Speaker 1: nobody else on the road, Right, that seems fun. Otherwise,

435
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: something's always going wrong, no matter how nice the car,

436
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: no matter how not nice the car, something's going wrong.

437
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: You got to keep track of stuff. Going to a

438
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: mechanic could not be a bigger pain. Everybody always feels

439
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: like they're being ripped off. So that puts mechanics, good

440
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: mechanics in a bad situation. Right, You're like, this is

441
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: how much tires cost? What do you want me to

442
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: tell you?

443
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 2: Right?

444
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: And then in your head you always think you're being

445
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: ripped off and you're like, I need a filter for

446
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: what pass right? The whole experience of car ownership, car leasing,

447
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 1: sitting in traffic, and I battle that against literally anything

448
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 1: else right, taking a train, riding a bike, walking on

449
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 1: your feet. However you want to roll the car experience.

450
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: No matter what Jon Hamm tries to tell us during

451
00:24:53,320 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: these Mercedes commercials, it's terrible airplay, terrible, all of these

452
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: things designed to like make our life smoother in a car.

453
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 2: I hate it.

454
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Speaker 1: I hate sitting in a car. There's no time where

455
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Speaker 1: I'm happy I'm in my car. Is there a time

456
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Speaker 1: you're thrilled to be in a car?

457
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 2: Tie?

458
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Speaker 1: The only time I'm happy to be in a car

459
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Speaker 1: is if it's pouring rain outside. I'm happier to be

460
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Speaker 1: inside my car than outside in the ring.

461
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Speaker 2: I am happy to be in my car because a

462
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Speaker 2: couple times a week I need to go on a drive.

463
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 2: But that is less about being in the car and

464
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Speaker 2: more about being out of my house and having changing scenery.

465
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Speaker 2: But why can't you walk? Well, I was gonna say, functionally,

466
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: it's the same as a walk. But most of the

467
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: time I will use that as an opportunity to go

468
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Speaker 2: to the store and pick up a few odds and

469
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Speaker 2: end stuff that we need for here. Right, So that

470
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Speaker 2: is less about the car and more about being not here.

471
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Speaker 1: But what if the store were a half a mile

472
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Speaker 1: away from you, What a thrill it would be to

473
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Speaker 1: just walk down me listen to some stuff.

474
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Speaker 2: I lived in the shadow of Wegmans, right, so, and

475
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 2: that was less than a half a mile away from me, right,

476
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Speaker 2: And yeah, I enjoyed that experience. That was a lot

477
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Speaker 2: of fun. And I would do that a couple times

478
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Speaker 2: a week just to get out of the house. So functionally,

479
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: for me, a car and a walk, I know they're

480
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 2: not the same, but I use them almost interchangeably, just

481
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Speaker 2: to change the scenery here.

482
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Speaker 1: I would also add, when I hear about people collecting cars,

483
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: it turns my stomach like it's it's my luxury watch.

484
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: It was like, you drive your car once a week,

485
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: you drive your your like vanity convertible. When it's nice

486
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: out three times a year, and this takes up space,

487
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: like even forget about what car culture has done to

488
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Speaker 1: America and what interstates have done to major cities. Forget

489
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Speaker 1: all of that, which all of it's terrible building your

490
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Speaker 1: life around a car. And I understand some people live

491
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Speaker 1: far away from things that they need to be in

492
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Speaker 1: a car for a long time. Some of those are choice,

493
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: to be clear, but oh my god, I am never

494
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: thrilled to be in my car.

495
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Speaker 2: We probably should have also issued a disclaimer at the

496
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: top of this episode that there will be some world

497
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 2: views expressed in this episode that you may or may

498
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 2: not agree. That's okay, that's why we're giving you the

499
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 2: opportunity to fill out your own brack and tell us

500
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 2: why you think we're wrong. But cars has to go

501
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: through over skinny beverages.

502
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Speaker 1: Is there anything that you would push back on about cars, Like,

503
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about Yeah, I'm driving in a convertible

504
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: along pch with the Laker girls. I'm not talking about

505
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: the absolute height of kardom.

506
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Speaker 2: The pushback, I think is pretty obvious, and it is

507
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 2: unless you are living in a major city where mass

508
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 2: transit is a little bit more accessible you have no

509
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: other way to get around, of course, okay, And so

510
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 2: I could see people out there saying, yeah, but what

511
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 2: the hell do you want me to do if I

512
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 2: have to get to work, right, It's just sort of

513
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 2: the nature of our shared reality at this point.

514
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Speaker 1: We all make choices. Though, we all make choices.

515
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: I guess. But like I'm I'm living in suburbia over here.

516
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 2: I know you are now too, But when you were

517
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: in New York, it was a lot easier to hop

518
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: on the train to walk home office. I never really

519
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: had that. I would love that.

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Speaker 1: Option, oh, let's be clear, living here, but I never

521
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: had that, so I had no choice but to get

522
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: the car. My criticism isn't for people who need cars

523
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: because they've been priced out of areas and have to

524
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Speaker 1: go on long commutes where there's not public transportation. My

525
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: criticism is we have designed our country to be car forward.

526
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Speaker 2: Why I'm with you on that one.

527
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Speaker 1: Transportation public transportation forward, or have walkable places or build up.

528
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: And I think it's a lose lose for everybody involved

529
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: other than the car industry.

530
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Speaker 2: My algorithm is very deep into the future of transit.

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Speaker 2: Weirdly enough, they just give that to me, I keep

532
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: ingesting it whole, so I'm with you. Cars moves through

533
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: over skinny beverage cans.

534
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Speaker 1: By the way, I used to see all the time

535
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Speaker 1: with regularity, and this is a name drop, but it's

536
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: not a name drop to try to impress you. I

537
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: used to work in southern California, an area called Burbank,

538
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: where all the major TV studios you and used.

539
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: To look at you.

540
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: I saw that dude all the time, just hopping around

541
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: in his Dusenberg, and I was like, is there anything

542
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: that is less impressive to me than making dozens upon

543
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: dozens of at least of millions of dollars and pouring

544
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: it into old cars. I know people love it, and

545
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: I respect that. There's like a nostalgic value to whatever

546
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: kind of collecting you're doing. But like buying up warehouse

547
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: space to store your weird old nineteen seventy one whatever,

548
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, just secret garbage to me.

549
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Speaker 2: That's all. Let's get to an eight to nine mashup

550
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: the Winner takes on cars. These are two more from you.

551
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: These are two more that I also do not really understand. Okay, okay,

552
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: I'm ready. The number eight seed is grocery stores Oh

553
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 2: my god. The number nine seed is food delivery services. Yes,

554
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: explain yourself, these are easy, okay.

555
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: Grocery stores are laid out in usually a nonsensical way,

556
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: although I always do remember. I think it was Michigan

557
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: great Tom Brady saying you should only shop on the

558
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: outside rim of grocery stores where the food is fresher, right,

559
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: the produce section or maybe freshly baked whatever, or the

560
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: seafood counter.

561
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Speaker 2: I never thought of it that way. That's a good point.

562
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Speaker 1: Yes, His thing, I think maybe I'm misattributing, was like

563
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: nothing that comes in a boxer bag. Okay, right, and

564
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: this is great, but like you're gonna spend more money

565
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: at a grocery store that way, The idea that I

566
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: need to peruse fifteen different kinds of tortillas or peanut butter.

567
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: It's a waste of everybody's time. The layout never makes sense.

568
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: Things change store to store, and even stores themselves change

569
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: where things are all the time. I don't like the

570
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: organization of it. I actually kind of like the self

571
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: checkout revolution. I don't know how you feel about that

572
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: to it, Yeah, I'm okay with it, though, I think

573
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: if you have to use the biggest cart available. Maybe

574
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: that's not the area for you.

575
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: They should regulate that part of it.

576
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, between layout and like the enormous amount of selection

577
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: and variety, I don't love. Produce seemingly has gotten worse

578
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: every year. I don't know what it's like where you are,

579
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: but it seems like in everything I read, like their

580
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: bread for color and size rather than flavor. There's nothing

581
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: like produce has gotten to be terrible. I don't know

582
00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: if you've noticed that. I don't know if you can.

583
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're a fresh fruit and vegetable guy.

584
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: But I just though the grocery store industrial complex. To me,

585
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: I love finding good food. I love cooking good food.

586
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: I love eating good food. I try to give my

587
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: kids as much like nutrition as humanly possible that they're

588
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: able to not yell at me about. But going to

589
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: the grocery store and trying to find things grocery stores

590
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: that I go to weekly, I just I hate all

591
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: of it. I just wish there were like a fifth

592
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: of the options, uh with every single product.

593
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: I can tell you something that I'm learning about you.

594
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: Please.

595
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 2: That just occurred to me as you were going through

596
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: that description. Have you had a modern berry the trash.

597
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: It's occurring to me as you were describing all these

598
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: things that if we put out a subsequent secret treasure bracket,

599
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: your number one overall seed might be living off the grid.

600
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Speaker 1: No, I have a bunch of secret treasures, but it's

601
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: not living off the grid. Though that is part of

602
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: my algorithm.

603
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: It's not part of mine. But I was just anyway,

604
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: I'm off.

605
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: Grid, curious, but not off grid. Gung ho grocery stores,

606
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: I okay and listening. I love to peruse. I love

607
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: to learn about certain products, but like you know, instantly,

608
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: like okay, I have to wade through eight guards, Like oh,

609
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: the Marshmallow Fluff company is making peanut butter cool, thanks

610
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: for showing me that, Or like I'm so happy that

611
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: Fruity Pebbles and Frosted Flakes are doing a collab. I'm

612
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: so glad that mister Beast is trying to sell me

613
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: turkey great. I don't care about any of the garbage

614
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: stuff there, and like it's just I don't know, it's

615
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: infuriating what you have to wade through to get hopefully

616
00:33:59,120 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: good stuff.

617
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: What's your state on coupons? You know what?

618
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: It's another good question. I don't clip coupons. I don't

619
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: use coupons I have I'm like signed up for the rewards,

620
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: so you know there's like a rewards sale price, but

621
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: now there's only like you'll see it advertised when you

622
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: go to a grocery store, the digital coupon, right, So

623
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 1: like they want your data in a very aggressive way

624
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: in order for you to get cheaper avocados. And I

625
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm willing to go that far.

626
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: I feel like this off grid thing is something we

627
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 2: should explore further on a show, just separately as friends,

628
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: whatever you're into.

629
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,439
Speaker 1: But now, because I like a lot of conveniences of

630
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: the parts of society, I like that's.

631
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Speaker 2: The eight seed. The nine seed is food delivery services.

632
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: So there's potential here for an upside. I do have

633
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: an upset sound if we have one, this wouldn't be

634
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 2: a big one. Typically these aren't very big upsets for

635
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: what it's worth. At time of recording, we're doing this

636
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 2: a week before I guess six days before it goes live.

637
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 2: I would just knocked off Nebraska to go to the

638
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: Elite eight and they are a nine seed, so there's

639
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: real potential here for our nine seed, which is food

640
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 2: delivery services. I happen to like food delivery services, and

641
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: I need you to maybe sure narrow this down a

642
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: little bit further, and you don't need to use specific

643
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: company names because this is a for profit entity. After all,

644
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: we don't want to. I'ly use whoever I want. You

645
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: can do whatever you want. Is your show. It's free country.

646
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 2: But food delivery services to explain.

647
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 1: Why, Okay, here's who. I think food delivery services benefit

648
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: in a genuine way, people who perhaps have a physical

649
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: reason why they can't cook all the time or are

650
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 1: unable to go out and pick up food. I think

651
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 1: the convenience of somebody bringing you your food if there's

652
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: some sort of legitimate physical or medical reason that you

653
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: can't do it, even if it's temporary. Right, you break

654
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: your leg and you live alone, and it's much easier

655
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: to get your kung pou chicken or your sausage pizza

656
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 1: or whatever because somebody's delivering it. Great cool, I'm okay

657
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 1: with that. But you are I've seen you tie. You're

658
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: in good shape, You're of sound mind, you can see

659
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: most colors with your eyes. You're in pretty good You're

660
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: in a pretty good position. What food. What the modern

661
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:31,479
Speaker 1: food delivery companies do is they establish themselves as bad

662
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: for restaurants, bad for the people who deliver it, and

663
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: they deliver lukewarm, like borderline stale versions of the food

664
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: to the people who pay for a premium price. So,

665
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: as far as I can tell, they're bad for pretty

666
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: much everybody involved except for them, and except for the

667
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: supremely lazy.

668
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: Right, wow, supremely. I do this once a week.

669
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm sure you do. How far away is where you

670
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 1: get your Thaie food?

671
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: I don't usually use it for the Thai food? Okay?

672
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: How far away is whatever you're getting?

673
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean it fifteen twenty minutes away.

674
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's a forty minute round trip. So maybe

675
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: get some closer food, maybe learn to cook that. I

676
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: like this place, okay, so go eat there. I can't

677
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: go eat there? Why not?

678
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 2: I can't go eat there. It's not as convenient. There's

679
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: a convenience factor here with a delivery service, and I

680
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: would go. I would layer something on top of it,

681
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: because I know you have used a delivery service to

682
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: get food from a grocery store. So you're talking out

683
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 2: of both sides of your mouth.

684
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: Here, Dan oh, not anymore. I've stopped that a long

685
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: time ago. I hated it. They got everything wrong.

686
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: Didn't you just do this?

687
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: Like a week ago, we were talking about this, Yes,

688
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: what grocery did I get delivery?

689
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: I don't know what store, but you were waiting for it.

690
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: No, No, not grocery delivery. I don't order food delivery.

691
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: I don't know a grocery delivery. My wife does. I'm

692
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: not going to control her. But in terms of what

693
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: I can control in terms of my consumption.

694
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: I do grocery store deliveries. I do food deliveries. So

695
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 2: I'm on both sides of this Dand yeah, I understand

696
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 2: what you're saying, and I will say in terms of

697
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 2: the predatory nature of it, the food delivery thing, there's

698
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: much more out there about the food delivery thing and

699
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: the impact that it has had on, as you said, restaurants,

700
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: and specifically, the controversies that I have read about have

701
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: been about the tips not going to the people who

702
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: deliver the food, the people who deliver the food not

703
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: being paid properly. More recently, there's been some stuff out

704
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: there about how they use some algorithmic tools to determine

705
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: who is willing to pay a little bit of a

706
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: higher price. Yeah, of course without you even knowing it.

707
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: And so for that reason, I am inclined to put

708
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: food delivery services through over groceriess.

709
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't be more thrilled to push food delivery services through.

710
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: It's also here's the other thing, Ty, And you might

711
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 1: not have a problem with this. I have a problem

712
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: with it because I work from home. If I am

713
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: specifically cutting off chances to interact with society for the

714
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: convenience of I care about it. Man, I need to

715
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: get out. I need to get out out to it.

716
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 2: Was talking about cars. I know there is cars, which

717
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: is not something I normally would do.

718
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: But you run into people at the store, you run

719
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: into people picking up takeout food. I don't know. There's

720
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: there is still something about rejoining society after your day

721
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 1: of work at home that I appreciate. And having people

722
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: just bring things to you, I think further isolates you.

723
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: Like I was thinking about figuring out a way to

724
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: put in your house or your apartment or your condo.

725
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: We didn't have anybody suggests home ownership for what it's worth.

726
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: No, I'm not talking about ownership. I'm talking about spending

727
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: time at home, Like, I think it's bad. I think

728
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: it's isolating, and I think it's bad. I think it's

729
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: anti society.

730
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 2: Let me add something to this though, I'm I'm also

731
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 2: talking out of both sides of my mouth. Please, I'm

732
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 2: gonna admit this here publicly. Okay. I haven't actually gone

733
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 2: to and shopped at a grocery store over the last

734
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: couple of years more than twenty percent of the time. Okay,

735
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: So I use the grocery store delivery service a lot,

736
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: a lot.

737
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: See, I don't think it's Oh but what you were

738
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: what you were talking about was Instacarts was what I

739
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: was waiting on, not grocery. So I use Instacart, and

740
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: it's not for a grocery situation in the way that

741
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: it's not like for my weekly groceries. It's for the

742
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: only place I can get it is. It's for my

743
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: tomatoes for my pizza, and the only real way I

744
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: can get it is through Instacart. And I leave an

745
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: enormous tip.

746
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: I always leave an enormous tip when I do it. Yeah,

747
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 2: but much I'm going to put on I'm going to

748
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: put delivery services through. Yeah, I'm gonna stick with that.

749
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: I could probably make a case for either. But that

750
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: is the very nature of an eight to nine matchup,

751
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 2: is it not you could pick one or the other.

752
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: It's it's sort of an even an even field.

753
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: I agree, But you what you do for a living

754
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: is perfect for somebody to just go to the grocery store.

755
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 2: I notice it was a COVID thing, Dan, it was

756
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: a COVID thing because I know that was you get

757
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: in the habit of doing that. We we did got

758
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 2: in the habit during COVID of of having delivery services

759
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: bring the groceries to you, and we just sort of

760
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: became those people. And that's and there are many different

761
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: ways to do it. It's it's not just through apps

762
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I mean some grocery chains offer

763
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: that as part of like their own subscription thing. Yeah,

764
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: so it's it's not all under one big umbrella. But

765
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: we we kind of got in the habit of doing that.

766
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: And rejoin society. Ty get out there the people miss you.

767
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: No, I'm good with this, but I will go with

768
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: food delivery services because I think you make a strong

769
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: case for it, and I think the grocery hermit is

770
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 2: what there is. There is a more predatory nature to it.

771
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 2: That makes it more garbage than grocery stores.

772
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough.

773
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 2: Next five to twelve matchup, Dan, five to twelve matchup.

774
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: These are two more of yours. I promised there are

775
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: a bunch of mine that are coming on the bottom

776
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: end of this bracket. And listeners, Yeah, this is also

777
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: going to be a long episode. If you need to

778
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: take a break at some point, Dan, just let me know. Yeah.

779
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 1: I hope people are listening to this at the grocery store.

780
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: The five seed is streaming services.

781
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: Oh man, this is great.

782
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: The twelve seed is carry on luggage. This is a

783
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: wonderful matchup, Thank you very much. A wonderful matchup of

784
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 2: two things that otherwise would be viewed as conveniences in

785
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: modern society. Streaming services, obviously, you can watch anything anywhere downloaded.

786
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: If you are going on the plane with your carry

787
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: on luggage, you can just watch it on your phone,

788
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: on your laptop, on your iPad, carry on luggage. I

789
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 2: need to get the case against carry on luggage because

790
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest with you. I can make a

791
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 2: pretty strong one that streaming services are secret garbage. I

792
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 2: don't know if I can do that for carry on luggage.

793
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: I think I know where you're going with this, but

794
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: you're gonna need to spell it out for me.

795
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: Okay, streaming services are easy. It's algorithmic. It's not that

796
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: fun to just sit and peruse. You Again, there's so

797
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: much actual garbage, especially on Netflix now right that like,

798
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: and this is not a matter of Netflix as a company,

799
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: because they do make some good stuff. But again, I

800
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: don't know if this is an algorithmic thing because of

801
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: what I've watched on there, what my wife has watched

802
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: on there. But you see what's popular, and you see

803
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: what's served up to you, and you see what seems

804
00:43:54,600 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: to multiply and its original content cetered around. No, it's

805
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: just like, here are the richest people in Charleston, and

806
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: then you want to know who's evil Tyra Banks. You

807
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: want to know who's evil these top four hundred, like

808
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: child Molesters. You ready for a seven part series? Like

809
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: it's so much just like listy garbage, And I just

810
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: like quality movies and TV shows and stuff like that.

811
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: That it's just this bright, shiny Hey, here are the

812
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 1: best townhouses in Toronto, and you're just like god, you again,

813
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: it's the waiting and the variety waiting with a D.

814
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: You have to wade through so much trash and what

815
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: they feature, and it all just seems like built to

816
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: be Cliff Hangary true crimey. It feels like the algorithm

817
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: is conspiring against me rather than for me.

818
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: I think you're missing the best reason to say that

819
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: streaming services are secret garbage, which is it's not a

820
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: content thing. It's not a content thing, Okay, continue, it

821
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 2: is an ala carte thing. And I almost feel sacrilegious

822
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 2: talking about this because if you go back ten years,

823
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 2: I was the biggest advocate for cutting the cord. I

824
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: thought it was ridiculous, the way that everything was bundled together,

825
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 2: the costs associated with it. It just seemed far more

826
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: convenient to me. And I still think it's more convenient

827
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: to be able to just like watch TV on your phone.

828
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: I like that. I like that we can do that,

829
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: and certainly for what we do, it's it lends itself

830
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: well to having to watch a million college football games

831
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 2: a week. Yeah, but the fact that everything is separate

832
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 2: has definitely now added to the inconvenience with everybody trying

833
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: to spin up their own thing, with having a million

834
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: different subscriptions. This isn't to say it costs any more

835
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 2: than it did before. Honestly, if you get all the services,

836
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: it probably costs about the same. But the fact that

837
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: there is this degree of separation between all the services

838
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: that makes it hard to find what you want sometimes,

839
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 2: especially if you're a sports fan, I agree that part

840
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 2: of it makes things really really confusing. And I would add,

841
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: just as an aside, if you've ever had to explain

842
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: to an older parent how to watch a Notre Dame

843
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: game on peacock Art experience. Okay, so that side of

844
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 2: it to me, Streaming services, I think, in their early iteration,

845
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 2: were sold to us as being a more convenient way

846
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: to not only watch the content, but pay for only

847
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 2: the stuff that we wanted. And now, let's say a

848
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: decade into it, it's actually inconvenient in a sense because

849
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 2: you've got so many things that are separated, so many

850
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,959
Speaker 2: disparate services that you need to keep track of that

851
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 2: that makes it hard. So in that sense, I would agree.

852
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 2: And the other side of this that I alluded to

853
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 2: in our Bonus episode last week, getting that you're subscribed

854
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: to a streaming service, there's a whole cottage industry now

855
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 2: around trying to manage your subscriptions. So this is a

856
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 2: strong five seed right now. I lean heavily streaming services

857
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: over carry on luggage because I like carry on luggage.

858
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 1: Okay, So the other part of the streaming service thing

859
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: is also and you can we can talk about Netflix

860
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: or Peacock or Hulu or any of these places if

861
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: you have to or want to subscribe to a sports

862
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: specific or team specific streaming service in order to watch

863
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: games or match it whatever. If you go Tennis channel,

864
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: if you go the market network here for the cubs. Right,

865
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: there's a streaming service market Network for people who don't

866
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: doesn't get carried on their whatever cable service. Yea, yeah,

867
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 1: about once every two weeks they're like, hmm, we don't

868
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: recognize you. You want to sign in with your TV provider, Well,

869
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: go to this website and go to and then put

870
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: in pl one for ZD and then then once you're there,

871
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: you got to put in your spectrum pass word.

872
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: It stinks it. This has been high times for services

873
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 2: like Roku that do a pretty good job, a pretty

874
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 2: good job, not perfect, but a pretty good job in

875
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 2: collecting all of your services, giving you one panel and

876
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 2: trying to put some order to it. It is not

877
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: an easy task. I feel like it's gotten harder. We

878
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 2: have definitely gotten to the point where, and you know,

879
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 2: we see this in other industries where things unbundle and

880
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: then rebundle. I do wonder if we are approaching some

881
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: sort of tipping point where people want to put things

882
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: back together. I know YouTube is doing the skinny sports

883
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 2: package for people who are interested in sports and trying

884
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: trying to collect some of these things in a more

885
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 2: streamlined way. But it's yeah, it's it's definitely we've seen

886
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 2: some unintended consequences, even.

887
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: YouTube TV, which what you said, doing a skinny sports bundle,

888
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: they are Yeah, if you go down on your YouTube TV,

889
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: like the conceit of it was, We're going to find

890
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: these popular channels, We're going to bulk them all together,

891
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: bundle them all together, and that's going to be your

892
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 1: new thing. When you start scrolling down YouTube TV, there

893
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: are channels you've never heard of. There are channels that

894
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: you will see down there, and then the next time

895
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: you use YouTube TV, you're like, what is this? Like

896
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: you don't even remember time to time now, so like

897
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: they're turning into cable.

898
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're we're both subscribers. Yeah, okay, I'm not necessarily

899
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 2: arguing against that service. I think that is a good service,

900
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: But I would say streaming service culture. The move's awful

901
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 2: full bore into streaming everything has definitely added some complexity

902
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 2: and the login thing that you mentioned, the log is

903
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 2: the worst. Listen, this is not necessarily me having an

904
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 2: axe to grind with ESPN or Disney or any you know,

905
00:49:54,920 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 2: any of those things. They have redesigned ESPN and Disney

906
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 2: a thousand times. The log in still does not work.

907
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 2: I still have no idea. Oh every time, if I

908
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 2: have no idea how to log out, I have no

909
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: idea how to log back in. Terrible. I have no idea.

910
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: This is God's honest truth. I don't I'm not currently

911
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 2: using that subscription. Okay, there's nothing on there that I'm

912
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 2: currently interested in watching On Disney. Plus, I cannot, for

913
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 2: the life and me, figure out how to unsubscribe from it.

914
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 2: I don't know how to do it. I am knee

915
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: deep in every technology that is currently available. I play

916
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 2: with everything. I cannot figure out how to unsubscribe. I'm

917
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 2: going to have to call a credit card and tell

918
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 2: me just bounce it. I don't know how to do it.

919
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: They've made it so complicated it's frustrating. So I understand

920
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 2: where you're coming from with this one. Explain carry on

921
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 2: luggage though.

922
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 1: Oh I just think it's a horrible experience too. Okay,

923
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: as airports seemingly get bigger and bigger, and they're adding

924
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: terminals or gates, or you got to ride a tram

925
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: or something like that, you're towing along your and your

926
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: toothpaste or whatever for a half a mile however long

927
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: you are walking, right, you're packing it, you're bringing it

928
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: in your car, you're bringing it in maybe you're checking

929
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: some and carrying on others. So you're toting it around

930
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: with you in various lines, security situations, restaurants, bars, Hudson

931
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: News where you run into Clay Helton you're like, who

932
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: are you? Yeah, And then you are at your gate

933
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: and you have this thing. Then you have to board

934
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: a plane. Hopefully you board a plane and you're in

935
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: a group where they're still room to store a suitcase

936
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: full of things that you will not open, not broach,

937
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 1: not whatever, all because you want to save eleven minutes

938
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: to get to a courtyard by Marriott. A little bit

939
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: faster or you know whatever. Like nobody's really in a

940
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: rush for the most part. Once they land. They just

941
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: don't like waiting at the carousel, you know, the baggage

942
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: claim for bags. There is nothing that makes me happier

943
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: than checking a bag and walking through an airport unencumbered

944
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: by suitcases for no reason, and you deal with like

945
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 1: people dealing with the overhead bin. It takes longer to board,

946
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: longer to deplane because people are jamming suitcases in, people

947
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: are removing it.

948
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 2: That was the angle that I was expecting, because I'm

949
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 2: I'm a full evangelist for carrying on if possible. Oh

950
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 2: I hate it, not over the time. Well you used

951
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 2: to be. You used to be into it, and then

952
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 2: you had kids and now are like, ah, well, maybe

953
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 2: we'll just check the bags.

954
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 1: Look, I've traveled with kids with carry on, without kids

955
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: with carry on. I can't tell you. It just makes

956
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: the experience so much better to be unencumbered by suitcases.

957
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: I'm also a forgetful person. It's another thing for me

958
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: to forget.

959
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 2: All fair points. The thing that I thought you were

960
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 2: going to bring up that drives me nuts is when

961
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 2: you do carry on the two parts of the process a.

962
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 2: They have that little thing before you go onto the

963
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 2: plane where you're supposed to put the bag to see

964
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 2: if it's to size, you know what I mean, and

965
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 2: it's like, nothing is really that size. Some is, some are,

966
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: but but a lot isn't. But they still let it through,

967
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 2: so it's kind of a sliding skull. That's one thing.

968
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: It always gives me adrena. The second thing, though, is

969
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 2: if you're on a plane that's particularly crowded, you always

970
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 2: run the risk of going on the plane with your

971
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: suitcase and suddenly there's no no room for the suitcase.

972
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 2: So then you have to back out. You know, you

973
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 2: have to like, yeah, in convenience to people behind you.

974
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 2: That part of the process is broken. They need to

975
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: fix that.

976
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 1: I mean, but how often are you on a plane

977
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: where you see somebody like, oh, I'm so glad I

978
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: brought my carry on because there's a thing I can't

979
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: fit into my purser backpack that has to be stored

980
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: in a carry on piece of luggage. Like no, if

981
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: you have medication, if you want to light jacket, all

982
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: of that fits on your person.

983
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 2: I hear that. I'm back in the day mom age

984
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 2: had luggage stolen from the baggage carousel.

985
00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: Okay, well that's anecdotal. It's anecdotal. Can't all inconvenience are saying.

986
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 2: I have scar tissue with the luggage carousel. Oh my god, Ty,

987
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 2: grow up. Come on, I'm just show about honesty.

988
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: I I understand Ty.

989
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: No one's listening anyway at this point, I'm just saying,

990
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: this is where this is where I'm at. Let's put

991
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 2: a service through.

992
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: Can we put services through secret garbage?

993
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 2: Yeah?

994
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: That's fine.

995
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 2: The five over the twelve, let's do one more than

996
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 2: we're going to take a break. Okay, Okay. The number

997
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 2: four seed is chat GPT. Okay, the number thirteen seed

998
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 2: is greeting cards. This is the first real matchup, first

999
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 2: real first round matchup between one of mine and one

1000
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 2: of yours. For what it's worth, I think greeting cards

1001
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: is a fabulous thirteen seed.

1002
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 1: Thank you very much.

1003
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,240
Speaker 2: Roger Sherman would have this thirteen seed on his YouTube video, Thank.

1004
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: You very much. The uc irvine of this bracket.

1005
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 2: Greeting cards are a racket unlike any other. It could

1006
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 2: have been a two seed. Honestly, we have advanced in

1007
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 2: society in many ways. A lot of them good, some

1008
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 2: of them not. We've never advanced beyond the greeting card

1009
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 2: industry and the need for the greeting card. You get

1010
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 2: the greeting card. The greeting card is obviously a nice gesture.

1011
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 2: In many cases, it's a vehicle to put the gift

1012
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 2: card inside, and I would say, in what ninety percent

1013
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 2: of the instances it just goes in the trash anyway.

1014
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: You with a greeting card. The cool thing is you

1015
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: could buy a greeting card, or you could just give

1016
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: your gift recipient four dollars of cash and say, here,

1017
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 1: throw this away. It's your choice, same exact idea.

1018
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 2: Isn't that the same concept though of like gift wrap

1019
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 2: or gift bags.

1020
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: Okay, so there is a show to a reveal of

1021
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: a gift that doesn't exist, especially when people give a

1022
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: gift card. If we want to go into the gift

1023
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: card portion of this matchup, now the whole show is like, okay,

1024
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: you either buy a blanked gift card and most people

1025
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: write something minimal in there, happy birthday, love you Dan, right,

1026
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 1: or congratulations uncle Tye. And that's kind of it most

1027
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: of the time. Or there's like the goof card where

1028
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: there's something funny on the front, and then there's a

1029
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,919
Speaker 1: punchline in the middle, and then it's happy birthday, Uncle Tye,

1030
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 1: and then it's thrown away.

1031
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 2: Right.

1032
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: I don't understand why anybody should be wasting their time

1033
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: going to a store. Anybody should be paying money for

1034
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: these greeting cards. I know that there are sometimes funny

1035
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 1: like oh that speaks to me and my relationship with

1036
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 1: my brother or with my dad or with my grandmother

1037
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: or something like that, and you buy it from a

1038
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: website and it's like so custom and interesting in the

1039
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: artwork is cool. Even then I'm like, okay, fine, but

1040
00:56:53,800 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: still whatever, the greeting card idea, to me is something

1041
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 1: that we should all just move past. And I would

1042
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: even posit tie writing a letter by hand. Let's say

1043
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 1: you're going for Valentine's Day, you're getting chocolates or flowers

1044
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: or whatever you're getting for Valentine's Day, maybe a door

1045
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: dash delivery, because it's you writing a letter, even if

1046
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: it's just on a legal pad, writing one page to

1047
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: solid wife Kate and been like, hey, I know this

1048
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: year has been you know, has has had its ups

1049
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: and downs, but you're my constant. You're my love blah blah.

1050
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: That seems so much more human than buying something at

1051
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: a store that you're just writing two sentences in, because

1052
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: that's all the room there is inside the card. I

1053
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm just so out on the idea of

1054
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: making greeting cards part of any of our lives that

1055
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: it just feels like throwing out for one dollar bills.

1056
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 2: That brings us to chat GPT.

1057
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: Chat GPT can make your case. My headline is this

1058
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like neutral or overwhelming positivity as is in general.

1059
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 2: The acceptance of these technologies is a really interesting thing

1060
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 2: to discuss. They're teaching prompting in schools. Now, I know

1061
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 2: somebody who is an ap English teacher who has to

1062
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: incorporate chat GPT into their curriculum. Cool. It's it's made

1063
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 2: things really interesting, right because a lot of these models

1064
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: are trained on the books themselves. You can ask the

1065
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 2: model to tell you what you need to know about

1066
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 2: the book, and so in her case, she's had to

1067
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 2: get really creative about how do I incorporate this but

1068
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 2: also still teach the book and what the book is

1069
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 2: trying to convey. And it's it's certainly not how we

1070
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 2: you and I were raised. Okay, Yeah. The reason that

1071
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 2: I put this out here is because a It's everywhere,

1072
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 2: whether you like it, whether you love it, it's everywhere,

1073
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 2: and there's sort of no avoiding it. As a follow

1074
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: on to that, everyone is incorporating these technologies into what

1075
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 2: they're already building. It doesn't matter if you're using a

1076
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 2: streaming service. It doesn't matter if you're using a food

1077
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 2: delivery service, doesn't matter if you're using a grocerysour. It's everywhere,

1078
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 2: whether you know it or not. In most cases, it's

1079
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 2: already there in some way, shape or form. And the

1080
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 2: other thing that I would add, and more to the

1081
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 2: point of having to incorporate it into curriculums. I mentioned

1082
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 2: this earlier, but it is one of those things that

1083
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 2: is on some level excepted and on many other levels

1084
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 2: viewed as magic. And I just could not be further

1085
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 2: from that point of view. As the relative techy between

1086
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 2: the two of us. I have played with all of

1087
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 2: these services, every single one of them. I regret to

1088
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 2: inform people that chat GBT is the worst one. Oh okay.

1089
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 2: Also I regret to inform people that dorks like me

1090
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 2: can always tell when it's being used. One hundred percent

1091
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 2: of the time can tell when it's being used, and

1092
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 2: it is like any other tool that you would have

1093
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 2: in a toolbox. You can use it really well for

1094
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 2: some things and really not well for others. You don't

1095
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 2: use a hammer to drive in a screw. You could,

1096
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean you should, that doesn't mean that that

1097
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 2: is the proper way to use it. And so there

1098
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 2: is just an overwhelming thing going on right now in

1099
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 2: society where people are using chat GBT, which was positioned

1100
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 2: as a consumer product that can help you with your life.

1101
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 2: They are over using this to do everything. It can

1102
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 2: help with some things, but it should certainly not be

1103
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 2: used for everything. I have a real problem with that.

1104
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 2: That bothers me to no end because I've played with

1105
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 2: all of them. I know what it's good at, I

1106
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 2: know what it isn't and I feel like it is

1107
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 2: being overused and over promoted in a way that it

1108
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 2: should not be.

1109
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: You told me, And I don't know what the actual

1110
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: number is. I don't know how to quantify this, but

1111
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: something like AI has an approval rating of like twenty

1112
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: six percent in general. Yeah, it's it's really so we

1113
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: already we already as a people like there are people

1114
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: who use it. There are people who are like, you know,

1115
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: it's better than writing a cover letter, having a computer

1116
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: write your cover letter for.

1117
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 2: You, I think. But here's the thing, okay, I think

1118
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 2: this is there's a little bit of politics that go

1119
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 2: on with this. And you see this a lot with

1120
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 2: like collections. Right, Well, the last they'll they'll pull on

1121
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 2: any two candidates, let's say, and they'll ask them in

1122
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 2: a poll, what do you think of so and so

1123
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 2: this is anonymous and they will give one answer, and

1124
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 2: then when it comes to vote, they will they will

1125
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 2: go with the other thing. Right, there's a little bit

1126
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 2: of saving face, I think think when it comes to this,

1127
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 2: whereas you know what much like you see with elections,

1128
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 2: where you'll say one thing if somebody is asking you

1129
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 2: on a telephone call or asking you face to face,

1130
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 2: but then you'll do something else behind the scenes. And

1131
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 2: I feel like that is what goes on with these services.

1132
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 2: There is a little bit of a taboo thing with

1133
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 2: using a GPT, with using any of them, depending on

1134
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 2: what you're into, where you might not want to admit it,

1135
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 2: but then when it comes time to actually do something,

1136
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 2: there are some ways that it can help you and

1137
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 2: it can do things quickly.

1138
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: I just think there is a deluge still of anti

1139
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: AI sentiment that almost disqualifies this as everything you said

1140
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: is valid. Yeah, but I think there's enough of that

1141
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: sentiment out there in the way that there isn't for

1142
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: grocery stores or cars or streaming services. I mean, I'm

1143
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: sure there are people that are like, yeah, streaming services

1144
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: are terrible. I'm sure there are, But I think people

1145
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: are left with very little choice when it comes to

1146
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: where you get your food or where you watch TV

1147
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: shows and stuff. Whereas you can live your life without

1148
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: using generative AI, you can, and you can live you can't.

1149
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 2: You can. It is getting increasingly more difficult, though, And

1150
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 2: I just I don't think people realize how baked into everything,

1151
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 2: not just this, but but but many things like this

1152
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 2: are already My inclination is to put greeting cards through.

1153
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not necessarily arguing that GPT should go through,

1154
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 2: but it came in in a few different forms when

1155
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 2: we put it out there, and I was already thinking

1156
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 2: along these lines. I think in terms of secret garbage, though,

1157
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 2: which is the very spirit of this bracket. Greeting cards, Yeah, baby,

1158
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 2: we have our first big option. We had a nine

1159
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 2: over and eight. Yeah, it wasn't much of an upset.

1160
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 2: It was a pickham in Vegas. But greeting cards over GPT,

1161
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 2: I think is a really really good play. It's a

1162
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 2: big upset. Roger Sherman definitely had this one in the

1163
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 2: Big Go Card.

1164
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: Love to hear.

1165
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 2: Why don't we take a quick break. We'll do the

1166
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 2: bottom half of the bracket. When we get back, let's

1167
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 2: attack the bottom half of this bracket. Let's find a

1168
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 2: garbage champion. Okay, your next two items? Number six the future.

1169
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,479
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of Dan going off the grid.

1170
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 2: Continue. This one came in Viaverballers dot Com. I'll read

1171
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 2: off the quote in a second. It's a fabulous suggestion.

1172
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 2: The number six seed is the future. The number eleven

1173
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 2: seed is dog parks.

1174
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: Dan, that's gonna be an uphill battle for dog parks. Continue.

1175
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 2: This one comes into us from DT the future. Hear

1176
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 2: me out, but as an old man aged thirty two,

1177
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 2: the speed of techn makes me pine for the ability

1178
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 2: to slow down and go back to manual. Did you

1179
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 2: ever see a line of people and they're all on

1180
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 2: their phones? What are we missing out on by doing that? Dan? Agree?

1181
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 2: The future. My case for dog parks is just that

1182
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 2: A you don't know which dogs are friendly and which aren't.

1183
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 2: B you don't know which dogs have shots and which don't.

1184
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 2: See every dog trainer, pretty much every vet I have

1185
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 2: ever taken my dogs too, have overwhelmingly said don't go

1186
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 2: to dog parks if you can avoid it. They're just

1187
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 2: not the safest, healthiest places for dogs to go and play,

1188
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 2: even though I'm sure they have a ton of fun.

1189
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 2: Many cases, it's just a social situation for the humans

1190
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 2: to go and meet other dog owners in chat, so

1191
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 2: there's definitely value in it. I don't know what you're

1192
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 2: supposed to do if you live in a big city,

1193
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 2: like I'm fortunate here, I have a yard that dogs

1194
01:05:58,360 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 2: can go run around the yard, they can play with

1195
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 2: the each other. But if you're listening to this in

1196
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 2: New York City, like one of our biggest markets, I

1197
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 2: certainly understand where you're coming from. If you say, you

1198
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 2: know what, ty f, you we need the dog park.

1199
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 2: The dog needs the dog park. It is the only

1200
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 2: way we can get some of that energy. I understand

1201
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 2: the logic.

1202
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: You don't need to explain yourself.

1203
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 2: I just don't think that they're good for the dogs.

1204
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 2: Based on everything professional dog people have told me. That

1205
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 2: being said, a really tough draw for dog parks here,

1206
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 2: really tough draw. Now.

1207
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: The only thing I would add for dog parks, I've

1208
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: never had a dog. I've never gone to a dog park.

1209
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: I don't think, or that I've known of. It feels

1210
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: like that's likely where you're going to meet your second wife,

1211
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: right in.

1212
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 2: Some sort of role. I was saying, it's a humans.

1213
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: It's a social thing for the humans, and I get that. Yeah,

1214
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't considered this much. I know there's

1215
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: dog beaches. Are they any better because they're more wide

1216
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 1: open or not?

1217
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 2: I don't and I've never been. I don't know.

1218
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: Okay, that was the thing, A dog beach. Oh yeah,

1219
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: there are dog beaches out there. I've seen that. Maybe

1220
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: it's a dog friendly beach right that it's not only

1221
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: preeople of the dogs, but dogs are allowed in this

1222
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: section of the beach. Some stuff like that.

1223
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 2: But what about the future.

1224
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: This is a great one.

1225
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 2: This is I thought maybe we could make this like

1226
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 2: a one or a two seed. It's that good. So

1227
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 2: much of what we came up with here is a

1228
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 2: well defined thing or a well defined concept. But the

1229
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 2: future is abstract, the future is changing, the future is relative.

1230
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 2: You could look at public polling. I don't know if

1231
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 2: people are all that excited about the future. The question

1232
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 2: is whether or not it is secret garbage. I say yes.

1233
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 2: Why do you say yes?

1234
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 1: I say, there is less and less to be optimistic about.

1235
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 2: But the way I think it's secret garbage.

1236
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: I think so because I don't think people talk about

1237
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: it that much. And you wouldn't know that because you're

1238
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: not in these grocery store conversations.

1239
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 2: TYI apparently not.

1240
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 1: But that's the buzz by the root of Vegas. I

1241
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: think why the future fits in with this is just

1242
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: because you know, we're getting more of the bad stuff.

1243
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 1: You know, we're getting more of the things that people

1244
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:25,600
Speaker 1: don't like about technology and politics and society.

1245
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 2: Right.

1246
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 1: You know that there is no evidence that we are

1247
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 1: in the midst of becoming a more human, empathetic society. Right,

1248
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: There's no like Apple is going to keep releasing things

1249
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: that go over your eyes or wrists that they're going

1250
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: to claim make your life better. They are going to

1251
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 1: be more social media networks that are going to claim

1252
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:49,600
Speaker 1: to bring people together. And then there are going to

1253
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: be new unforeseen circumstances because of the introduction of those things.

1254
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: And yes, the futurists among us will point to the

1255
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: medical advances, well, you know, the scientific advancements, the outer

1256
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 1: space advancements, whatever those have been lately, and I think

1257
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: those are all valid and we will continue to make

1258
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 1: those strides. I just think on a day to day

1259
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 1: level that look like what my life is going to Like,

1260
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: Let's okay, I'm in my late thirties, early forties tie,

1261
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: so best case scenario, I've got fifty ish years left. Now,

1262
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 1: maybe that'll increase with scientific advancements and I'll look the

1263
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 1: same for the next fifty five.

1264
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 2: You got to sleep one of those chambers with the

1265
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 2: red lighter, Sure, yeah, exactly.

1266
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 1: But thinking about like what my kids are going to

1267
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: have to explain to me in the same way that

1268
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: you are explaining to your mom about watching Notre Dame

1269
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:52,719
Speaker 1: Toledo on Peacock. It's kind of depressing to think about

1270
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: the like Hala graphic and like I'm gonna have to

1271
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: be the seventy one year old, like again, this is

1272
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 1: going to be my future where I'm I'm going to

1273
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 1: say in my day and I'm going to be the

1274
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,679
Speaker 1: most boring, tedious seventy one year old because I'm sure

1275
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: people listening to this like he's boring and tedious in

1276
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: his late thirties early forties, Imagine what he's going to

1277
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: be when he's seventy one. But it's kind of a

1278
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 1: bummer to think about, as we are just trending in

1279
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 1: a less human direction with all of this. Did you

1280
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 1: ever see there was an interview and this is in

1281
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 1: a short form media clip, which I think we're getting

1282
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 1: to we get.

1283
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 2: The short form.

1284
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: There was an interview that a woman did in like

1285
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make this up, let's call it nineteen seventy three,

1286
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: and she was born in eighteen sixty six, okay, And

1287
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: the interview was like, hey, so what's like changed in

1288
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: your lifetime? And she had the craziest look on her

1289
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:52,440
Speaker 1: face and was like everything, literally everything has completely chicked.

1290
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: Like she was born right after the Civil War. I

1291
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: think it was a British woman, but she was born

1292
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: in that time. Yeah, and so you're talking about like

1293
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:05,640
Speaker 1: the industrial Age happening well into her life and what

1294
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: her life has seen, and so there is something that

1295
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 1: like the inevitability of dramatic change freaks me out. There's

1296
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 1: a Motion City soundtrack song called by the Way the Future.

1297
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 2: People hate out. People hate change overwhelming, and change would

1298
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 2: never be on the secret garbage bracket. Never people hate,

1299
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 2: Which is why what I'm trying to do for both

1300
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,640
Speaker 2: myself and my kids, because change is inevitable.

1301
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: And you get you the more you fight it, the

1302
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: worse it gets. But I want to arm myself out

1303
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: of the way you're thinking. I want to arm myself

1304
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:42,600
Speaker 1: and my kids with as many human skills as possible

1305
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: as a revolt, or at least as a way when

1306
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 1: things go wrong and we're off the grid, that they

1307
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 1: can fend for themselves as a person, socially, physically, whatever,

1308
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: because I think that's going to be in shorter and

1309
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 1: shorter supply, and maybe that sets them apart in a

1310
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:01,679
Speaker 1: positive way.

1311
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:03,560
Speaker 2: I did get my off gride radios working, by the

1312
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 2: way I heard it. I don't know if I told you. Look.

1313
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 2: One of my core beliefs is that the concept of

1314
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 2: the quote unquote good old days is bullshit. Of course,

1315
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 2: I could not believe that that is any further from

1316
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 2: the truth. There is no such thing. It is. It

1317
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 2: speaks to people's fear of change, and I just I

1318
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 2: think things overwhelmingly are better. But I will admit when

1319
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:47,759
Speaker 2: I saw this one, I was like that that almost

1320
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 2: needs to be the winner. Yeah, it is such First off,

1321
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 2: Kate and I laughed out loud when we saw this.

1322
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 2: This is an incredible nominee for this bracket. There is

1323
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 2: definitely I've think only on the technology side. I'll speak

1324
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 2: to that. I certainly don't want to speak to the

1325
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 2: political and the geopolitical side of things. Okay, that's you can.

1326
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 2: There are plenty of other podcasts for that. I will

1327
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 2: speak to it just within the narrow view of technology

1328
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:18,719
Speaker 2: and where things are going. I have always been somebody

1329
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 2: who has been very optimistic about the future, and that's

1330
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,680
Speaker 2: not to say I am not. But as they have

1331
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 2: gotten older, as I have seen the different directions that

1332
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 2: tech is going, both in consumer products and enterprise products, yeah,

1333
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 2: I definitely feel a little bit more along the lines

1334
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 2: of like, I'm not sure this is going the way

1335
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 2: we hoped.

1336
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 1: The goodness is there's no more ram, right, there's no

1337
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 1: more that doesn't exist and you need video cards? Yeah right, Yeah,

1338
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: so at least there's that. Oh, by the way, the

1339
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 1: other part of the future that I always think about,

1340
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: and this is a kid's thing, is how many more

1341
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: years of new slang am I going to have to decipher? Right?

1342
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not just a tech thing, right, It's

1343
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 2: not a tech thing. It's not even a political thing.

1344
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 2: But just the abstract concept of the future being secret

1345
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 2: garbage is funny as hell. It is funny as hell. Man,

1346
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 2: this's gotta go through over dog parks.

1347
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 1: I think the I think it would do me good,

1348
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 1: and I think it would do everybody good if as

1349
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:25,560
Speaker 1: they grow older, instead of looking down upon younger generations,

1350
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:30,839
Speaker 1: they try to understand that every younger generation is different

1351
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 1: and does new things and has new ways of doing

1352
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,759
Speaker 1: things and evolves and change, because that's what the passage

1353
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 1: of time means. That said, again, having fifty ish years,

1354
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 1: if I'm lucky of learning what every year is, six

1355
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:50,599
Speaker 1: seven is, and like having my kids come home five

1356
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 1: and seven years old to say like, oh, I cooked them,

1357
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god.

1358
01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 2: Horse, you cooked will horse.

1359
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 1: That I'm gonna have to, you know, to sort of

1360
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 1: endure that over the years. It's not something I'm looking

1361
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 1: forward to, but I do want to be the person

1362
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 1: who has empathy for younger generations. You know, as I

1363
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 1: as I get, I.

1364
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 2: Have a lot of hope for younger generations. I do.

1365
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 2: I mean that honestly, I I I really truly do.

1366
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:29,759
Speaker 2: But my overwhelming optimism for the future, my entire life

1367
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 2: has definitely dampened a little bit because of some of

1368
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 2: the tech stuff out there. I agree. I'm a techie, Dan,

1369
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 2: you know this. I mean, I'm I'm I'm playing with

1370
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,599
Speaker 2: all these tech gadgets all the time. That's what I'm into.

1371
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 1: You never watched the Sopranos, did you?

1372
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 2: No? Oh my god? I mean here and there, but

1373
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 2: not No.

1374
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 1: There's a there's just a really good there's a good

1375
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 1: Tony soprano quote that's like this says, remember when is

1376
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 1: the lowest form of conversation. And when you were talking

1377
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: about the good old days, it reminded me of that.

1378
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 1: Continue I hate I don't think the good old days

1379
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:05,640
Speaker 1: are real. I think as I'm going to bring up,

1380
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 1: like Bobby Obray, you there's a difference between that and

1381
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 1: name and guys and honoring their accomplis.

1382
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 2: There's a difference between nostalgia and looking back fondly on

1383
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 2: the things that we experienced and in this case baseball

1384
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 2: players that we admired.

1385
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 1: Look we are again, we are honoring their contributions to baseball.

1386
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the times. I'm just saying, like

1387
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 1: Andy Van's like worthwhile.

1388
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 2: Next bracket, we're putting the future through, right, Yes, the

1389
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:37,560
Speaker 2: future go. Number three seed is beach vacations. Number fourteen

1390
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:41,639
Speaker 2: seed is wireless charging. This is another one that low

1391
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 2: key could have been on Roger Sherman's Listen.

1392
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:47,560
Speaker 1: I would have beatifications through. I just I don't charge wirelessly.

1393
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 1: There's nothing that I own that requires me to charge wirelessly.

1394
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 1: I've opted out of charging wirelessly.

1395
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 2: Well here's the thing, okay, here's the thing about wireless charging.

1396
01:16:56,120 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 2: Wireless charging was sold to us in all of our

1397
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 2: devices as this thing that was crazy convenient. Okay, it's

1398
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 2: not really though, it isn't, and it's something that all

1399
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 2: of the tech companies will put first and foremost. At

1400
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 2: least they used to, right, I remember when I got

1401
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:18,879
Speaker 2: holding my phone up. Now, I remember when this was wireless.

1402
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 2: You can charge it wirelessly. Now it's you don't need

1403
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 2: the cord. Well, you don't need the cord, but you

1404
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 2: still need a cord. It's not like you can put

1405
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 2: it in your pocket and it just magically charges through

1406
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 2: the air. That's not how any of these things work.

1407
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,680
Speaker 2: You still need a charging matt. I'm holding up for

1408
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 2: the video now. I have one of these right by

1409
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 2: my desk. Right. It's it's convenient in that it props

1410
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 2: it up. But look, oh, it's plugged into a cord.

1411
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 1: Right.

1412
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 2: So it's yes, technically can be charged wirelessly, but it

1413
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:49,679
Speaker 2: has never advanced to the point. And I know they've

1414
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 2: tried where you can just sort of put it somewhere

1415
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 2: in a room and you can be completely untethered. It's

1416
01:17:57,200 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 2: not there. So it's what is really the differences between

1417
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 2: putting something on a charging mat and plugging something into

1418
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:04,719
Speaker 2: a charging cable?

1419
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 1: I agree, And does it do it like fifteen times faster?

1420
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 1: I mean, I have no idea.

1421
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes it can, but again you need the right charging protocol,

1422
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 2: you need the right tech in order to do it.

1423
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 2: That part of it, I think is a little complicated.

1424
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 2: And again I'm deep in all of the weeds with

1425
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:29,639
Speaker 2: this stuff. I don't really know what the big deal

1426
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:32,720
Speaker 2: is with this. You know, sometimes it's a magnet that

1427
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 2: you put on it's wireless, but it's not really wireless,

1428
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 2: so it's a lot of marketing. Beach vacations is interesting. Yeah,

1429
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 2: beach vacations is actually one of the things that was

1430
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 2: submitted to us via Patreon and was also on your list. Yes,

1431
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:56,679
Speaker 2: Tyler says quote, beaches are cool, but I find wild

1432
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 2: that people plan entire vacations around them hot. The sand

1433
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 2: is uncomfortable, and it gets boring after like three or

1434
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,600
Speaker 2: four hours. I think there's so much more to vacations

1435
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:10,440
Speaker 2: than just lying around on a beach chair. Do anything

1436
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 2: else but sleep in a beach chair for a week now.

1437
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 2: I said this to solid wife Kate. She looked at

1438
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 2: me like I had two heads. Kate loves the beach vacation.

1439
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 2: I love the beach, but I can also sympathize with

1440
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 2: what Tyler is saying here, Yeah, because I get bored

1441
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 2: very quickly, and sitting around on a beach, on a

1442
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 2: hot beach all day long, I like it. I love

1443
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 2: the ocean, I love the shore. I get bored out

1444
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 2: of my mind if I'm there for an overwhelming period

1445
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 2: of time. Not the kind of person just likes to

1446
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 2: sit there and like, let's read a good book, let's

1447
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 2: sit under an umbrella. That's not not necessarily my idea

1448
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 2: of fun. I'd rather go golfing, right, a beach course. Yeah, sure,

1449
01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 2: So there is definitely a secret garbage caliber two this

1450
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 2: that I think warrants for their discussion.

1451
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 1: Well, it depends on the beach. It depends on the

1452
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 1: travel needed with carry on or not carry on suitcases

1453
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:11,640
Speaker 1: to get to said beach. It depends on what you

1454
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:14,599
Speaker 1: prefer to do on the beach in general. And it's

1455
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:18,679
Speaker 1: personal to everybody, but in general, I love a beach,

1456
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 1: but I love the beach as like part of the

1457
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 1: broader thing, right, A hike, a bike ride, playing tennis,

1458
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 1: going to a new city, doing new activities near the beach,

1459
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:32,599
Speaker 1: on the beach, whatever, going in the ocean, the idea

1460
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 1: of it. I've had friends who do this, right, They

1461
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 1: travel too far away places and they'd like us. They

1462
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 1: save up all their points or whatever for two years

1463
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 1: and they go what is it the Maldives? Yeah, well yeah,

1464
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 1: where you're flying sixteen hours, eighteen hours, connecting flights and

1465
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:49,799
Speaker 1: you're staying in one of those huts that's.

1466
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 2: Over the water.

1467
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:52,720
Speaker 1: Right, it's like a peer hut kind of thing. You

1468
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 1: have some thoughts on that as like a I think

1469
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 1: it's crazy, Okay, I think of all of the options

1470
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:03,599
Speaker 1: you have traveling to far flung places, doing that in

1471
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 1: an area with very little in the way of activity

1472
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 1: options to sit and read. And also it's not that

1473
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 1: fun to read on a beach sometimes, right if it's windy,

1474
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 1: there's sand like the glare. I don't know, like sand

1475
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 1: gets in your stuff. I just I'm not into the

1476
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 1: stationary aspect of a beach. And also I have little kids,

1477
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 1: so I can't really relax on a beach because I

1478
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 1: always have the threat of them wandering off or like, oh,

1479
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 1: do I need to reapply sunscreen on them against their will?

1480
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,680
Speaker 1: Do they go in the water with you know, a

1481
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 1: parent or a friend, like a somebody who can supervise them.

1482
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 1: But now they are far away and they don't know

1483
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,640
Speaker 1: how to get back to the beach area that we're in. Like,

1484
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 1: there's just complicating factors that make the beach less, at

1485
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: least for me, less fun than it used to be.

1486
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:52,759
Speaker 2: Now.

1487
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 1: When I was nineteen and I was living in California,

1488
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 1: and I would just go with buddies for three hours,

1489
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 1: that was great, but I would drive back home after

1490
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 1: I was on with the beach, right.

1491
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 2: That was a vacation, that was a day trip.

1492
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 1: It was right, you're using the beach as just like

1493
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: a fun thing.

1494
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 2: That was great.

1495
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, going somewhere with the express goal of we

1496
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 1: are going to sit, We're going to drink out of

1497
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 1: a coconut, and we are going to do not much else.

1498
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 1: I understand the appeal if you are like Giannis Antetakumpo

1499
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 1: and you've been running up and down a basketball court

1500
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:33,600
Speaker 1: for five months and you're just like, I'm exhausted and

1501
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to go find cool places in a city.

1502
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 1: That's all I do with my life. But for those

1503
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:46,599
Speaker 1: of us who are not seven foot Greek gods, yeah,

1504
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 1: I think I think it's more worthwhile to go places

1505
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 1: that you can enjoy some beach time, but like sitting

1506
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 1: around for days of this.

1507
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 2: Is preference though, right, this is me. We talked about

1508
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 2: this earlier and I forget which one, but you were

1509
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 2: calling me out like it's not necessarily secret garbage, it's

1510
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 2: just a preference. Now I tend to agree with you

1511
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 2: on this front. The question is which one of these

1512
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 2: two is more secret garbage, perhaps more so than any

1513
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 2: of the other matchups that we have discussed far so far.

1514
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 2: So this is beach vacations against what wireless charging, I

1515
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:20,719
Speaker 2: would say beach vacations.

1516
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:22,959
Speaker 1: And there's another thing to it that makes some secret garbage.

1517
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 1: A lot of these beach destinations are somewhere tropical. What

1518
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 1: happens in tropical places ty it rains. So if you've

1519
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 1: booked a vacation with the express goal of sitting around

1520
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 1: in warm weather with a little breeze, with the sound

1521
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 1: of waves, and then it starts raining, you're just an

1522
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 1: hotel room.

1523
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:43,759
Speaker 2: But it's still a vacation. It's still a vacation.

1524
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 1: But if you go somewhere where there's not much to

1525
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 1: do other than lay around, and you can no longer

1526
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 1: lay around, you're blowing at least a full day.

1527
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 2: But you're on vacation. You're still on vacation. You're still

1528
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 2: away from the world. You're not working. Hopefully you're not working.

1529
01:23:58,920 --> 01:23:59,719
Speaker 2: If you're on a vacation.

1530
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 1: You're trying to figure out the hotel streaming services. You're

1531
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 1: trying to charge your phone wirelessly. Your carry on baggage

1532
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 1: is all messed up. That's terrible because you have to

1533
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 1: check it. Yeah, continue I say beach vacations. I think

1534
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 1: it's celebrated in such a you look at every single

1535
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 1: Corona commercial, It's like, this is the life. I don't know, man,

1536
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 1: I love the beach though, I love the beach. I

1537
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,720
Speaker 1: love the beach, but I love beach and I love

1538
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 1: beach adjacent.

1539
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:27,959
Speaker 2: I do like beach adjacent.

1540
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to if you were to go to

1541
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 1: where did you go on your honeymoon?

1542
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 2: Jamaica? Yeah?

1543
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 1: Do you play golf in Jamaica?

1544
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 2: No?

1545
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 1: Well have you been to Hawaii before?

1546
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 2: I've been Hawaii. Okay, Hawaii. There's stuff to do. I

1547
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 2: would move in a second if it were feasible. Right there.

1548
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 1: You play some golf, you go for a hike, you

1549
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 1: go take a tour of like a a of a

1550
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 1: coffee situation.

1551
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 2: Right.

1552
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 1: They have the farms that you can take tours of.

1553
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:57,599
Speaker 1: You can go to the Dull pineapple farm. There's stuff

1554
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 1: to do, take a surfing lesson. You don't just have

1555
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 1: to sit around.

1556
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,799
Speaker 2: I did paddleboarding out in the Pacific. That was awesome.

1557
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 2: It was great.

1558
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:12,479
Speaker 1: I just don't think people are wandering around saying, like,

1559
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:13,719
Speaker 1: how great is wireless charging.

1560
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 2: It's the way of that. I will reluctantly put beach

1561
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 2: vacations through good.

1562
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 1: That's big of you.

1563
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 2: Seven ten, let's bring this home. Okay, this is a

1564
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 2: long episode. That's great, longer than usual. But listen, we

1565
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:29,600
Speaker 2: told you at the top is gonna be different. So

1566
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 2: they're with us number seven, the Miami metro area. This

1567
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 2: is great number ten thought leadership. This is a wonderful matchup. Okay,

1568
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 2: now listen, Miami comes to us from Raoul. You put

1569
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 2: it best when we put out the call for submissions

1570
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:54,599
Speaker 2: on the Patreon, Raul responded with a list of four

1571
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 2: or five things. Raul was on a heater when he

1572
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:59,759
Speaker 2: put these job. This was like a ninety six bulls

1573
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 2: run for Raoul, who is always very thoughtful. You've heard

1574
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:07,440
Speaker 2: Raoul's name before. When we do various q and as.

1575
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 2: Here is what Raoul says about Miami. Quote. It looks

1576
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:18,640
Speaker 2: incredible on Instagram, but it is spiritually exhausting in real life.

1577
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 2: People talk about moving there like they're joining the future.

1578
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:25,680
Speaker 2: Another entrant in the bracket, But a lot of the

1579
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 2: place runs on humidity, traffic, flex culture, and fraud. I

1580
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 2: grew up there. It is a beautiful place to visit,

1581
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 2: but a deranged place to try and build a normal life.

1582
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:45,719
Speaker 1: Yeah wow, Okay, so I've traveled to Miami many times.

1583
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 1: I've spent time in South Florida, visiting family, spending time

1584
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 1: with family, and visiting Miami like they didn't live in Miami.

1585
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 1: My time in Miami has been for other reasons. I'm

1586
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 1: a crypto scammer. Did I not say that at the time.

1587
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 2: I don't think we caught that.

1588
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 1: No, there are parts of Miami that I think are

1589
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 1: insanely fun and really cool. And I've enjoyed a lot

1590
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 1: of people I've met in Miami. I've enjoyed going to

1591
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:17,679
Speaker 1: neighborhoods in Miami. I've enjoyed sampling local food in Miami.

1592
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 1: It's an intense place. It's an intense, intense place. And

1593
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:28,599
Speaker 1: it's sort of like talking about Vegas and only talking

1594
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 1: about the Strip, right, or it's sort of talking about

1595
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 1: La and talking about Rodeo Drive. Like, Miami is not

1596
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 1: just South Beach, It's just not It's a lot, much

1597
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 1: larger place. But I also feel as if Miami got

1598
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 1: too popular too quickly, and the infrastructure has a lot

1599
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 1: to be desired, leaves a lot to be desired. The

1600
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 1: traffic is always god awful. Again, not terribly different from

1601
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 1: the places like Austin and La Now that are just

1602
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:59,680
Speaker 1: you know, congested like crazy. I've just every time I'm there,

1603
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 1: I'm like, I like it here. I would never live here.

1604
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 1: Living here seems like a nightmare. I like visiting and

1605
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 1: I like leaving. And it's a fun place for a

1606
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:15,600
Speaker 1: specific amount of time. But it gets weird quickly. I

1607
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 1: was there a couple of times. The traffic is horrible.

1608
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 1: Can confirm, can confirm it travels terrible. A lot of Atlanta, Houston,

1609
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 1: lots of places.

1610
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:31,719
Speaker 2: So the other side of this is thought leadership. Yeah,

1611
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:34,800
Speaker 2: we went with social media last time, okay, and so

1612
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:39,640
Speaker 2: I couldn't say LinkedIn. That would be I think violating

1613
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 2: the spirit of this, and we're trying to come up

1614
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:43,600
Speaker 2: with new things. There's a lot of this out on

1615
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 2: the web right now. There's a lot of this. Sometimes

1616
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:50,640
Speaker 2: it's podcast forms, sometimes it's on YouTube. It basically is

1617
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 2: the entirety of LinkedIn, and it is always dressed up

1618
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:56,799
Speaker 2: as something that will change your life. Somebody with ideas.

1619
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 2: Ted talks, right, ted talks are sort of in this

1620
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 2: vein as well, something that will change your life, something

1621
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:04,599
Speaker 2: that will inspire. Oftentimes it does inspire.

1622
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 1: This one little trick is one life hack, a lot

1623
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 1: of life hacks, yeah, a lot of life hacks. Yeah,

1624
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 1: under this umbrella, this one thing that will change your life.

1625
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 1: And there is sort of a cottage industry around this.

1626
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 2: I suspect it's always been there, but it's very prevalent

1627
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:25,680
Speaker 2: now in the era of platforms vehicles through which they

1628
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:30,720
Speaker 2: can just give you this constantly via algorithms. So thought leadership.

1629
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 2: There's even now like, I forget what service does it,

1630
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 2: but one of the online translator websites will do a

1631
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 2: corporate jargon translator where you type in something in plain

1632
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 2: English and it will turn it into linked to speak.

1633
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 2: It is hysterical. Yeah, So thought leadership, I think is

1634
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:49,760
Speaker 2: dressed up as something that can inspire and help you

1635
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 2: change for the better and give you ideas for how

1636
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:56,120
Speaker 2: better to live your life. But I think secretly it's

1637
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:58,799
Speaker 2: a lot of people just farming for engagement. Of course,

1638
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:04,919
Speaker 2: so it may not be that secret of garbage depending

1639
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 2: on who you're listening to, but I think pretty much

1640
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 2: across the board it is very very garbage.

1641
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:16,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of the content that gets splayed

1642
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:18,600
Speaker 1: out in front of all of us. Is it's a

1643
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:20,599
Speaker 1: lot of like here's my morning routine.

1644
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 2: Yes, a lot of morning routines.

1645
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:26,880
Speaker 1: Right, it's a lot of like here here is my

1646
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 1: hack for learning. Here are the rules with which I

1647
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 1: live my life. Once I did this thing, I made

1648
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 1: so much more money.

1649
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 2: Right. There's just a lot of passive income included in this,

1650
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:42,839
Speaker 2: like sure general species.

1651
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 1: A lot of videos that start with like technically you

1652
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 1: don't need to pay income taxes like ah, And then

1653
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:53,839
Speaker 1: the good thing about those is like all the comments

1654
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:57,720
Speaker 1: are like, no listen to this guy, No listen guy, O.

1655
01:30:59,200 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 2: That.

1656
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of like here's my like I

1657
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 1: wake up at three am. I dunk my face in

1658
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:07,720
Speaker 1: ice water, I do a cold soak, I do asaua.

1659
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:11,480
Speaker 1: I eat raw beef, I rub beef tallow in my ears.

1660
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 1: You know, there's that sort of direction that people go

1661
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 1: with this. Yeah, it's a lot of it's just trash.

1662
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 1: A lot of it is it's posed as sort of

1663
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 1: intellectual and you're like, this is a successful person. Let's

1664
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 1: see what they do, and then you actually watch it

1665
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:35,599
Speaker 1: and you're just like, sorry, you flip baseball cards all

1666
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:41,640
Speaker 1: day and I'm inspired by this, Like I just yeah,

1667
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:44,759
Speaker 1: I don't know how it fits in with this bracket

1668
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:47,759
Speaker 1: because I'm on the same page with you. It receives

1669
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 1: a lot of positive attention, or at least attention. I

1670
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:53,720
Speaker 1: don't think any of it is worthwhile. Like I don't know,

1671
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:55,800
Speaker 1: drink water, go for a walk, get some sleep. You'll

1672
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:56,719
Speaker 1: be in pretty good shape.

1673
01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 2: When I was contemplating whether or not to leave the

1674
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:02,920
Speaker 2: mysterious daye J and work on this, I watched every

1675
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 2: video like this on the internet.

1676
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure I was. I was searching, and you kept

1677
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:09,160
Speaker 1: getting served more and more.

1678
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's like Petna cat right, Like they

1679
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 2: just give you more of it. And I watched any

1680
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 2: number of these videos I could find to try and

1681
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:19,360
Speaker 2: like help me through it. I don't know if any

1682
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:21,920
Speaker 2: of it actually did, you know, but it was. It

1683
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 2: was a vulnerable moment in my life where I needed

1684
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 2: some support, some sort of guidance. Ultimately, the answer could

1685
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 2: not come from Gary Vee on YouTube. It came from within.

1686
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:36,640
Speaker 2: But there was no shortage of stuff out there and

1687
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:38,680
Speaker 2: people out there trying to tell you what to do.

1688
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 2: And so I just feel like it's very prevalent. And

1689
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 2: you're influenced by follower accounts, You're influenced by how many

1690
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 2: views something has. People tend to look at that, whether

1691
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:52,599
Speaker 2: they whether they intend on it or not, they tend

1692
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:54,719
Speaker 2: to look at that as validation that this is somebody

1693
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:57,839
Speaker 2: who knows actually what they're talking about. Right in reality,

1694
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:01,559
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the case, right of course, So

1695
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:06,519
Speaker 2: I hear you. I'm kind of inclined to put this

1696
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:13,280
Speaker 2: one through over over Miami. I am too, I just

1697
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 2: just because of how prevalent it is, you know, like

1698
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 2: and and I also don't know how secret garbage Miami, right, Like, I.

1699
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:21,439
Speaker 1: Just don't know spirit of the game.

1700
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:24,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I've kind of always thought this about Miami.

1701
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:29,679
Speaker 1: You know, I might put Miami through, but it's it's look,

1702
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:32,480
Speaker 1: you're you're in control, you're the bracketeer.

1703
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 2: But what do you think? I don't think.

1704
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 1: I just I don't think people, Okay, you know what,

1705
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 1: it is popular, Like thought leadership is popular. I mean

1706
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 1: this is also like it mixes in with influencers and

1707
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and I think people have generally a

1708
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:54,360
Speaker 1: negative view of Like if you were at one of

1709
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 1: your ritzy parties that you go to and you met

1710
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 1: somebody and you're like, oh what do you do? You're like, well,

1711
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 1: I'm a content creator, You're like, I know what, like

1712
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:03,679
Speaker 1: what He's like, I'm just like, I don't know, recommend sweaters,

1713
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:07,880
Speaker 1: that's it. You're like, well, it's not that different from

1714
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:12,320
Speaker 1: issuing college football thoughts for a living. But I don't

1715
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:19,519
Speaker 1: feel like that there's that positive an influencer appreciation. So

1716
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:23,120
Speaker 1: I don't know how well this fits in, whereas I

1717
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:26,280
Speaker 1: think Miami is more generally considered like a pretty good thing.

1718
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1719
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:29,680
Speaker 1: I understand where you're coming from.

1720
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:33,040
Speaker 2: In honor of the Miami Hurricanes bake, it's the national championship.

1721
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:36,479
Speaker 2: Let's put thought leadership through. Let's give Miami a little

1722
01:34:36,479 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 2: bit of a break. It's another and finally in the

1723
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 2: first round, we're gonna make these next rounds go quicker.

1724
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 2: I promise the number two seed is short form content,

1725
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 2: going up against your haircuts from earlier. Can we just

1726
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:54,160
Speaker 2: agree that short form content goes through?

1727
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 1: We haven't even talked about short form content.

1728
01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 2: Can we just agree that this goes through? I don't

1729
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:06,679
Speaker 2: This is everywhere all the time, it has consumed media

1730
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:11,720
Speaker 2: the way that we knew of it previously. Everything is

1731
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:15,559
Speaker 2: even further reduced down into a thirty second clip that

1732
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:18,719
Speaker 2: requires seventy percent of the people to watch the first

1733
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:21,880
Speaker 2: three seconds in order for the algorithm to boost it

1734
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:29,200
Speaker 2: out to a wider audience. So nuance and deeper context

1735
01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:32,800
Speaker 2: for the news for the world is cast aside in

1736
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:36,040
Speaker 2: favor of something that gets people watching the hook and

1737
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 2: hitting the like button. Yeah. And so even though I

1738
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:43,200
Speaker 2: think a lot of us know it's bait, yeah, as

1739
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:45,320
Speaker 2: many of the stories out there and studies have been

1740
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:48,639
Speaker 2: published about how this can be harmful, how this can

1741
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:51,719
Speaker 2: be addictive, even though we know all of this stuff,

1742
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:56,680
Speaker 2: when we watch our feeds, you can't avoid it. You

1743
01:35:56,720 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 2: can't avoid it. Even ESPN and their renewed application that

1744
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 2: still doesn't let you log in, has a shortened thing

1745
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:05,639
Speaker 2: of verts. I think they call it at the very

1746
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:11,760
Speaker 2: bottom because they're playing into this. Everybody is playing into this,

1747
01:36:12,439 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 2: and there is simply no avoiding it. And I think unfortunately,

1748
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 2: though it is sometimes beneficial and I don't necessarily hate

1749
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 2: some of like the comedy clips that I get in

1750
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 2: short form content, I would say overwhelmingly it is a

1751
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 2: drag on our understanding of our ability to understand society,

1752
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:33,439
Speaker 2: our ability to understand the world.

1753
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:38,040
Speaker 1: I totally agree. I think most people who consume it

1754
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:39,679
Speaker 1: are like, Yeah, this is terrible. I'm gonna go watch

1755
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 1: some more of it. Right, It's a highly addictive the

1756
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:49,640
Speaker 1: infinite skullness of it all again, social media has received

1757
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:52,840
Speaker 1: a ton of negative attention, in no small part because

1758
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:55,400
Speaker 1: of the this isn't just I mean, this is.

1759
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:00,120
Speaker 2: I think a big part of what social media is

1760
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:03,080
Speaker 2: now for sure, of course, but it is not now

1761
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:05,559
Speaker 2: limited to that. And I thought about this when I

1762
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 2: nominated it, because social media won last time. But this

1763
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 2: is a broader format. It is a format. It is

1764
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:17,360
Speaker 2: not just a platform or a group of platforms. This

1765
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:19,479
Speaker 2: is where things have gone now.

1766
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:24,480
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is I think there's too much agreement

1767
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:28,280
Speaker 1: over the garbage nature of it that the secretive nature

1768
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:30,720
Speaker 1: of it being garbage is not so secretive.

1769
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 2: I just don't get the haircuts thing. I think haircuts

1770
01:37:34,439 --> 01:37:35,639
Speaker 2: is lucky to be in this tournament.

1771
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:40,479
Speaker 1: I stand by the haircuts. I think we're gonna get

1772
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:42,160
Speaker 1: a lot of pro haircuts.

1773
01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:44,559
Speaker 2: Seed short form is going through. We're at the elite eight,

1774
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:45,000
Speaker 2: all right.

1775
01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 1: Is there a specific kind of short form content that

1776
01:37:49,120 --> 01:37:52,600
Speaker 1: especially riles you up other than the thought leadership?

1777
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 2: Oh my god, there is short form thought leadership, and

1778
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:57,519
Speaker 2: they're going against each other. Next, maybe we can talk

1779
01:37:57,520 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 2: about that.

1780
01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:00,360
Speaker 1: I mean, they're kind of one and the same truth, they.

1781
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:05,280
Speaker 2: Kind of kind of are, they're not not the same. Yeah,

1782
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:07,640
Speaker 2: between those two. So we got a two and we

1783
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:11,639
Speaker 2: have a ten. Short form versus thought leadership, which goes through.

1784
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:14,960
Speaker 1: I think short form easily will put short form through

1785
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:19,000
Speaker 1: because this also includes thought leadership. But yeah, you think

1786
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,479
Speaker 1: about the different ways that people's minds have been warped

1787
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:26,080
Speaker 1: by TikTok or YouTube shorts or whatever, and time has

1788
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:27,679
Speaker 1: been completely taken.

1789
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I think the kind of the short

1790
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:38,320
Speaker 2: form content that bothers me the most is and you know,

1791
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:39,960
Speaker 2: I know why they do it. I know it's an

1792
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:49,240
Speaker 2: engagement trick, but the desire to distill a very complicated

1793
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:53,600
Speaker 2: news story or complicated concept that has a lot of

1794
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:57,520
Speaker 2: nuance and requires a lot of context and probably requires

1795
01:38:57,560 --> 01:39:00,920
Speaker 2: a lot of learning on the front end, when that

1796
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:03,920
Speaker 2: is reduced down into like a forty two second.

1797
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:05,719
Speaker 1: Clip, Sure, it's pretty cool.

1798
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:11,760
Speaker 2: Again, I understand it. Yeah, but I just think that's

1799
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:15,519
Speaker 2: a problem right Yeah, now, as problem when that's how

1800
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:18,559
Speaker 2: we're sort of consuming these like really complicated things that

1801
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:21,680
Speaker 2: people should understand. And I'm guilty of it too. You

1802
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:22,720
Speaker 2: know I'm guilty of it.

1803
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:25,920
Speaker 1: Well, oh mine, mine's less serious. The ones I don't like,

1804
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:28,360
Speaker 1: and it's much more like because I get served, because

1805
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:30,920
Speaker 1: I'm looking up recipes, I'm looking at restaurants and stuff.

1806
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 1: The food influencers, oh my god, are one hundred percent terrible,

1807
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:39,200
Speaker 1: ninety nine point three percent. It's just it's a lot

1808
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:43,400
Speaker 1: of people, and there's like there are occasional helpful things

1809
01:39:43,439 --> 01:39:45,639
Speaker 1: where it's like, yeah, these are the best three burritos

1810
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 1: you ca get in San Diego. I'm like, okay, I'll

1811
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:50,760
Speaker 1: investigate further. Those look pretty good. But there's a lot

1812
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:55,280
Speaker 1: of like, uh, everybody is saying this Rick sandwiches are

1813
01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:57,640
Speaker 1: the best, but every sandwich is one dollar, and I

1814
01:39:57,640 --> 01:39:59,559
Speaker 1: don't know if that's worth that. So I'm gonna go

1815
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:02,560
Speaker 1: and check out, and they go like it's God, but

1816
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:04,519
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's worth one dollar. And that's

1817
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:05,160
Speaker 1: the whole video.

1818
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:09,880
Speaker 2: Short form goes through. Okay, yeah, put short form through.

1819
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:13,519
Speaker 2: Let's go up to cars versus food delivery services. Very

1820
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:16,280
Speaker 2: thematic here, You can't that's true in most cases, do

1821
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:17,639
Speaker 2: the delivery without the car.

1822
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:22,080
Speaker 1: I think I think the secret garbageeness of cars is

1823
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 1: more ubiquitous.

1824
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:27,160
Speaker 2: Than the food delivery cars go through.

1825
01:40:27,479 --> 01:40:30,439
Speaker 1: You can opt out of food delivery. You can't unless

1826
01:40:30,439 --> 01:40:33,240
Speaker 1: you live in a very specific place, opt out of

1827
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:37,919
Speaker 1: the misery that comes with driving.

1828
01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:42,360
Speaker 2: Sometimes, streaming services versus greeting cards.

1829
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:48,080
Speaker 1: Hmm, greeting cards are more secret.

1830
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:52,960
Speaker 2: Greeting cards are incredible. That is incredible entry here in

1831
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:53,400
Speaker 2: this torum.

1832
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:55,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a matter of taste of is what's more

1833
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:58,599
Speaker 1: important the garbage miss of it or the secretive nature

1834
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:00,679
Speaker 1: of them being garbage?

1835
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:06,840
Speaker 2: And streaming services I think overwhelmingly viewed as convenient in

1836
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 2: a sense, but there are plenty of secret elements to

1837
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:13,560
Speaker 2: them that also make them garbage.

1838
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:17,800
Speaker 1: We didn't even mention with streaming services. Like Ty refuses

1839
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:21,080
Speaker 1: to go see other dog owners, to go shop for

1840
01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:23,640
Speaker 1: his own food in person, and now he refuses to

1841
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:26,120
Speaker 1: go see movies in person outside of his home.

1842
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:28,240
Speaker 2: I don't refuse. I don't prefer it.

1843
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:33,200
Speaker 1: Streaming services hurt the movie industry, which admittedly is not

1844
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:35,800
Speaker 1: great right now in terms of what they're churning out.

1845
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:39,160
Speaker 1: And even the good movies are on streaming services, so

1846
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:42,439
Speaker 1: you can't even enjoy them in a theater, and so

1847
01:41:42,720 --> 01:41:47,760
Speaker 1: they're hurting the social aspect of movie going. I think

1848
01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:49,439
Speaker 1: I've put streaming services through.

1849
01:41:49,479 --> 01:41:51,920
Speaker 2: Okay, but how much of a social aspect really is

1850
01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:54,200
Speaker 2: there with movie going? Other than being in a room

1851
01:41:54,240 --> 01:41:56,960
Speaker 2: with other people. You're not talking during the movie.

1852
01:41:57,040 --> 01:41:59,000
Speaker 1: I hope it's like somebody who's never made out during

1853
01:41:59,000 --> 01:41:59,640
Speaker 1: a movie.

1854
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:04,599
Speaker 2: Even that's not talking. W that's neckin. That's different.

1855
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:07,639
Speaker 1: It depends what kind of maker outter you are, ty

1856
01:42:08,479 --> 01:42:11,520
Speaker 1: whisper in some Sweet Nothings, you know what movie? I definitely,

1857
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:14,600
Speaker 1: it's just very memorable. In high school. Here's here's a

1858
01:42:14,640 --> 01:42:18,080
Speaker 1: little brag much moment, right, I made out during.

1859
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 2: What was it?

1860
01:42:20,439 --> 01:42:23,760
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember the post Colin. What was the

1861
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:27,439
Speaker 1: second Austin Powers calling? That's a weird movie to make

1862
01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:32,719
Speaker 1: out too? What was that called? What was Austin Powers called?

1863
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:35,400
Speaker 1: I don't know by who shagged me?

1864
01:42:35,439 --> 01:42:36,599
Speaker 2: Bye? Who shagged? Oh? There you go?

1865
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:42,640
Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety I looked it up. So like Mike Myers,

1866
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:51,000
Speaker 1: Heather Graham, Seth Green in full THX, Dolby whatever. So

1867
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:53,680
Speaker 1: that's social tie, that's hormative.

1868
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:58,840
Speaker 2: I kind of think greeting cards are more garbage secretly.

1869
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:01,600
Speaker 1: I think they are more secretive. I don't think the

1870
01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:06,120
Speaker 1: heaping pile of garbage. Noess matches where streaming services are all.

1871
01:43:06,040 --> 01:43:07,040
Speaker 2: Right, these are your two.

1872
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:11,040
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say streaming services, all right, streaming services

1873
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 1: go through Yep.

1874
01:43:13,240 --> 01:43:17,519
Speaker 2: That brings us to the future versus beach vacations. Mmmm,

1875
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:19,320
Speaker 2: A six versus a three.

1876
01:43:21,439 --> 01:43:22,240
Speaker 1: I think the future.

1877
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 2: I think the future is incredible. Yeah, I think it

1878
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:30,800
Speaker 2: is incredible. Let's put the future into the final four.

1879
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:35,320
Speaker 2: We have a one, we have a five, we have

1880
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:37,080
Speaker 2: a six, and we have a two as our final four.

1881
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:37,680
Speaker 1: I like that.

1882
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:44,760
Speaker 2: Continue cars versus streaming services. This is top This is

1883
01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:47,400
Speaker 2: really difficult. We have cars versus streaming services. We have

1884
01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:51,040
Speaker 2: the future versus short form content. Why don't we stick

1885
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:54,640
Speaker 2: with the future versus short form content? Okay, let's go

1886
01:43:54,680 --> 01:44:01,880
Speaker 2: there first. The future is also, I guess, an umbrella

1887
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:06,559
Speaker 2: for short form content, like short form content is contained

1888
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:12,200
Speaker 2: within Sure, I don't necessarily like that future, as evidenced

1889
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:14,519
Speaker 2: by the fact that short form content isn't my final four.

1890
01:44:14,760 --> 01:44:18,120
Speaker 1: Well, and short form content is molding minds that will

1891
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:18,880
Speaker 1: make the future worse.

1892
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:23,240
Speaker 2: It is making the future worse. Yeah, So this is

1893
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:25,639
Speaker 2: a master versus apprentice type of situation.

1894
01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:29,519
Speaker 1: Here yeah, this is true, and look saying saying the

1895
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:32,799
Speaker 1: future is the most or one of the most bits

1896
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:41,160
Speaker 1: of pronounced secret garbage means that the general vibe of

1897
01:44:41,200 --> 01:44:46,440
Speaker 1: this selection is we are rooting ourselves pretty steeply in pessimism.

1898
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 2: I know, and I don't. I'm not a pessimistic person.

1899
01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:51,600
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not.

1900
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:55,920
Speaker 2: I'm really I'm not. I'm just not. Anybody who knows

1901
01:44:55,960 --> 01:44:59,280
Speaker 2: me knows that I'm very much not right, and I'm

1902
01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:01,639
Speaker 2: most of the time. I'm not a cynical person either.

1903
01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:08,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. And both of these things are not necessarily secretive. Right,

1904
01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:09,880
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people are like, what kind of

1905
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:12,479
Speaker 1: future are we creating for our children? That kind of stuff, right,

1906
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:15,400
Speaker 1: And in short form content, a lot of people are

1907
01:45:15,439 --> 01:45:17,559
Speaker 1: I mean, there was just what there was a meta

1908
01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:21,320
Speaker 1: YouTube type lawsuit that was, oh yeah, a million dollars

1909
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:25,200
Speaker 1: for adjective nature. Yeah. Yeah, so it's out there. So

1910
01:45:25,240 --> 01:45:31,760
Speaker 1: these are both not necessarily secretive. I see less upside

1911
01:45:32,040 --> 01:45:35,439
Speaker 1: with short form video than I do the future, like

1912
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:41,599
Speaker 1: there's still a worthwhile gamble on future generations to make

1913
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:47,360
Speaker 1: life better, whereas I don't think there's positivity to be

1914
01:45:47,439 --> 01:45:49,719
Speaker 1: salvaged out of short form content.

1915
01:45:50,640 --> 01:45:52,720
Speaker 2: So this is you saying you think the future is

1916
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:56,320
Speaker 2: more secret garbage. No, okay, I.

1917
01:45:56,280 --> 01:46:01,160
Speaker 1: Think short for content has more pronounced garbage qualities. So

1918
01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 1: I'm going short form content.

1919
01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:06,599
Speaker 2: Let's put short form content through. Yeah. The Vegas line

1920
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:09,120
Speaker 2: on that one, though, was about short form content minus

1921
01:46:09,120 --> 01:46:10,439
Speaker 2: one and a half. That was a tight one.

1922
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:12,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like who just I think it was Purdue

1923
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Speaker 1: just beat Texas on a tip in Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that moment.

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Speaker 2: Yep. Continue cars versus streaming services, Dan, these are your two, okay,

1926
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Speaker 2: So now full disclosure here. We put separate lists together.

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Speaker 2: We each had about eight to ten things. We narrowed

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Speaker 2: those down. I only picked maybe the top six or

1929
01:46:33,479 --> 01:46:37,800
Speaker 2: seven from from both of ours, and cars was number

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Speaker 2: one for you. Yeah, cars, Cars was the very top one. Now,

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01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:46,760
Speaker 2: I I think I could go either way on which

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Speaker 2: one is more secret. I think I would give that

1933
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:56,160
Speaker 2: nod to cars. Just I think so to garbage. People

1934
01:46:56,200 --> 01:47:00,800
Speaker 2: will speak to streaming services as being a good thing

1935
01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:02,880
Speaker 2: where they find new content that that they can talk

1936
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:05,240
Speaker 2: about with their friends. But you don't have to go

1937
01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:07,559
Speaker 2: that deep in the discussion before you get to like

1938
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:10,080
Speaker 2: the annoyances of it. Oh, the internet was out Oh

1939
01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:13,640
Speaker 2: it didn't load. Oh it's still buffering. Oh yeah, I

1940
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:16,000
Speaker 2: have all these streaming subscriptions. I need to figure out

1941
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:21,120
Speaker 2: which ones I can cancel. Oh it's expensive. Yeah, so

1942
01:47:21,160 --> 01:47:23,360
Speaker 2: that you know, you don't got to go that deeply

1943
01:47:23,400 --> 01:47:26,479
Speaker 2: beneath the surface to get there. Cars is it? I

1944
01:47:26,479 --> 01:47:30,240
Speaker 2: think cars are just overwhelmingly assumed as a thing that

1945
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:32,920
Speaker 2: we need, and so you're willing to deal with the

1946
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:35,880
Speaker 2: secret garbage qualities of it. But that doesn't mean there

1947
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:38,040
Speaker 2: aren't secret garbage qualities to it, you know what I mean?

1948
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Speaker 1: I agree. I'm trying to think of the car positivity

1949
01:47:43,400 --> 01:47:46,800
Speaker 1: I have. I'm always super impressed when people can fix

1950
01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:51,040
Speaker 1: their own cars. Oh yeah, I'm that's a.

1951
01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:52,160
Speaker 2: For a moment in time, I thought I would maybe

1952
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:53,679
Speaker 2: get into detailing my own car.

1953
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 1: Okay, I appreciate that any diy nature of car ownership.

1954
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:05,840
Speaker 1: I appreciate whether it's detailing, whether it's fixing, reupholstering. If

1955
01:48:05,880 --> 01:48:08,800
Speaker 1: that's your thing, that's always cool by me. Which do

1956
01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:14,400
Speaker 1: you think cars are streaming services? Which is more secretly garbage?

1957
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:19,160
Speaker 1: I think cars? Cars goes through I think cars.

1958
01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:26,320
Speaker 2: This means for cars versus short form video content, cars

1959
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:31,559
Speaker 2: versus short form content. Now let me add something else here.

1960
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:33,559
Speaker 2: Maybe this makes you feel a little bit differently about

1961
01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:36,360
Speaker 2: short form. This is our one versus our two seed.

1962
01:48:36,360 --> 01:48:39,479
Speaker 2: By the way, Yeah, short form content is not just

1963
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:40,320
Speaker 2: short form video.

1964
01:48:41,880 --> 01:48:42,559
Speaker 1: That's true.

1965
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:45,679
Speaker 2: There's a lot of short form other content out.

1966
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:47,160
Speaker 1: There, snackable content.

1967
01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:50,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, short form content is now being promoted on the

1968
01:48:50,640 --> 01:48:55,639
Speaker 2: Internet as a way to make your web pages because

1969
01:48:56,600 --> 01:48:59,360
Speaker 2: that stuff is ingested more easily by AI, which we

1970
01:48:59,400 --> 01:49:03,760
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier. Ties to everything here. I do worry a

1971
01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:05,840
Speaker 2: little bit with this selection, as I did when I

1972
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:08,080
Speaker 2: nominated it, that it's flying a little too close to

1973
01:49:08,120 --> 01:49:11,920
Speaker 2: the social media son i e. What we had as

1974
01:49:11,960 --> 01:49:15,120
Speaker 2: our last winner about ten years ago. Yeah, so I'm

1975
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:17,240
Speaker 2: a little bit worried about that, But I still think

1976
01:49:17,240 --> 01:49:20,280
Speaker 2: it's a strong entrant. That's why it is in our final. Here. Cars,

1977
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:23,400
Speaker 2: at this point, I think we have pretty much documented

1978
01:49:23,400 --> 01:49:26,760
Speaker 2: why we feel cars are our secret garbage.

1979
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:30,000
Speaker 1: Should also mention Ty, You've told me about this a

1980
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:34,280
Speaker 1: thousand times. You're big on making out in cars. Oh huge, Yeah,

1981
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:39,719
Speaker 1: that's positive right right, So I'm just trying to balance

1982
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:43,679
Speaker 1: things out here. There are positive Like I've enjoyed car

1983
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:47,520
Speaker 1: scenes in movies, I've enjoyed car races.

1984
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:53,120
Speaker 2: The smell of a new car, yes, and no, I

1985
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:57,080
Speaker 2: don't know it's fleeting. The satisfaction of getting a new car.

1986
01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:01,439
Speaker 1: Is I'm never satisfied. Leave when that process is done.

1987
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:04,120
Speaker 2: The process sucks. But the new car experience I think

1988
01:50:04,200 --> 01:50:04,800
Speaker 2: is kind of fun.

1989
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:06,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

1990
01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:11,040
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I'm really hung up on if you've

1991
01:50:11,080 --> 01:50:18,360
Speaker 2: tried to or haveing quired about buying a new suv. Right,

1992
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:20,880
Speaker 2: but like, like you're not expensive they are now.

1993
01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:24,880
Speaker 1: Well, but that's much more. Okay, that's car industry and

1994
01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:28,280
Speaker 1: that's much more. Everybody agrees already that buying a car

1995
01:50:28,360 --> 01:50:31,519
Speaker 1: is a terrible experience, so that's not secret. No, I'm

1996
01:50:31,560 --> 01:50:38,080
Speaker 1: saying more broadly, the car experience, especially because most of

1997
01:50:38,160 --> 01:50:41,679
Speaker 1: us use cars not for pleasure other than time making

1998
01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:44,960
Speaker 1: out all the time in car excuse you're not using

1999
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:49,280
Speaker 1: a car is just a It's a utility that I

2000
01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:53,160
Speaker 1: don't know. I think it removes humanity from our lives somewhat. Right,

2001
01:50:53,200 --> 01:50:55,000
Speaker 1: You're just like, I'm driving to the grocery store again,

2002
01:50:55,080 --> 01:50:58,200
Speaker 1: unless you're tied, I'm driving to do errands, I'm driving

2003
01:50:58,240 --> 01:51:01,760
Speaker 1: to commute, and you just find yourself in this thing

2004
01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:04,400
Speaker 1: alone all the time.

2005
01:51:04,680 --> 01:51:07,679
Speaker 2: Is this to imply then that like self driving waymo

2006
01:51:07,880 --> 01:51:10,759
Speaker 2: cars are your absolute nightmare? Oh?

2007
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:12,920
Speaker 1: I have no interest?

2008
01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:14,320
Speaker 2: What zero interest?

2009
01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:18,000
Speaker 1: I think if you were to say, if the question

2010
01:51:18,040 --> 01:51:21,559
Speaker 1: here would be if your options were walking or taking

2011
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:24,479
Speaker 1: away mo, what is that distance that you were willing

2012
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:25,439
Speaker 1: to walk instead?

2013
01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:30,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think I would try it once, I don't

2014
01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:31,760
Speaker 2: think I would trust it.

2015
01:51:32,040 --> 01:51:34,000
Speaker 1: Do you ever see the video of Jimmy Kimmel putting

2016
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:35,200
Speaker 1: his aunt in a way MO? Oh?

2017
01:51:35,280 --> 01:51:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was great. Continue. I was all in ten

2018
01:51:41,200 --> 01:51:44,960
Speaker 2: fifteen years ago when I was told that the future

2019
01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:52,439
Speaker 2: would be you could rent or I guess subscribe to

2020
01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:55,680
Speaker 2: the service that involved self driving car that would come

2021
01:51:55,720 --> 01:51:57,040
Speaker 2: and pick you up and take you wherever you want.

2022
01:51:57,040 --> 01:51:59,439
Speaker 2: You didn't need to own it, but it would come

2023
01:51:59,439 --> 01:52:01,160
Speaker 2: and it would would take you where you needed to go.

2024
01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:06,120
Speaker 2: And then quickly turned on that vision when it was

2025
01:52:06,160 --> 01:52:08,519
Speaker 2: apparent to pretty much everybody who cared to look that

2026
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:11,200
Speaker 2: it didn't actually work or it wasn't close enough to

2027
01:52:11,240 --> 01:52:14,360
Speaker 2: working reliably to make that a real thing that you

2028
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:20,280
Speaker 2: could do safely, And that was a huge letdown to

2029
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:23,439
Speaker 2: be with you. And I would also add, as somebody

2030
01:52:23,479 --> 01:52:27,720
Speaker 2: who lives in the Lehigh Valley of eastern Pennsylvania. The

2031
01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:33,200
Speaker 2: fact that we can't easily hop on mass transportation over

2032
01:52:33,240 --> 01:52:37,040
Speaker 2: to New York or down to Philly is a huge bummer. Yeah,

2033
01:52:37,600 --> 01:52:42,040
Speaker 2: And so if I had the option to hop on

2034
01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:43,760
Speaker 2: a train or whatever.

2035
01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:45,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the equivalent of Metro North.

2036
01:52:45,680 --> 01:52:48,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I could hop on one of those and

2037
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:51,920
Speaker 2: get to one of those two spots, Like, that's a

2038
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:54,400
Speaker 2: big attraction in this area. That's a big part of

2039
01:52:54,439 --> 01:52:57,120
Speaker 2: why people live here because it's cheaper than both and

2040
01:52:57,160 --> 01:53:00,320
Speaker 2: it's close enough to both. The fact that you can't

2041
01:53:00,360 --> 01:53:04,240
Speaker 2: get there any other way than like a motor vehicle

2042
01:53:05,080 --> 01:53:09,320
Speaker 2: is a huge bummer. And furthermore, the conversation, at least

2043
01:53:09,320 --> 01:53:12,400
Speaker 2: in this area about trying to build a train that

2044
01:53:12,439 --> 01:53:15,559
Speaker 2: could get us there has been maddening. It's been going

2045
01:53:15,600 --> 01:53:18,639
Speaker 2: on my entire life. I'm now in my late thirties,

2046
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:22,559
Speaker 2: as you know. The fact that that conversation has been

2047
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:26,160
Speaker 2: ongoing and they've never made any advancements is just a

2048
01:53:26,200 --> 01:53:29,519
Speaker 2: head scratcher, especially now as more people are moving here

2049
01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:33,080
Speaker 2: from both of those places. In some cases, they still

2050
01:53:33,120 --> 01:53:36,120
Speaker 2: work in those places, they just live here because it's

2051
01:53:36,120 --> 01:53:39,360
Speaker 2: a little bit cheaper. So all of that stuff, to

2052
01:53:39,400 --> 01:53:45,040
Speaker 2: me has contributed to the whole car thing. I don't

2053
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:46,880
Speaker 2: mind driving into the city, but I'm not going to

2054
01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:51,400
Speaker 2: act like it's convenient, and so the experience of being

2055
01:53:51,439 --> 01:53:54,880
Speaker 2: in the car, parking the car park for the car,

2056
01:53:55,040 --> 01:54:03,240
Speaker 2: paying for the fuel to put in the car.

2057
01:54:03,960 --> 01:54:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm doing cars as my Champ sidebar enjoyed the movie

2058
01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:09,960
Speaker 1: Cars Pixar.

2059
01:54:09,720 --> 01:54:12,000
Speaker 2: Cars is great. Yeah, Lighty McQueen great.

2060
01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:16,759
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm going Cars.

2061
01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:24,839
Speaker 2: Feeling good. The winner of your twenty twenty six Secret

2062
01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:28,439
Speaker 2: Garbage Bracket is our number one overall Seed. Maybe it

2063
01:54:28,520 --> 01:54:31,519
Speaker 2: wasn't a surprise to you. Maybe it was. We had

2064
01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:34,360
Speaker 2: a few upsets along the way. What a journey. Maybe

2065
01:54:34,360 --> 01:54:38,240
Speaker 2: you can put a one shining moment together at some point, Dan.

2066
01:54:38,360 --> 01:54:42,680
Speaker 2: But as we have renewed this now nine years after

2067
01:54:42,760 --> 01:54:47,240
Speaker 2: the fact, number one overall Seed, Cars, yes, is going

2068
01:54:47,320 --> 01:54:48,800
Speaker 2: to be entered into the Hall of Champions.

2069
01:54:50,280 --> 01:54:52,520
Speaker 1: With great power comes great responsibility, and I do not

2070
01:54:52,600 --> 01:54:56,160
Speaker 1: think cars have come through. So cars are my Champ

2071
01:54:56,240 --> 01:54:57,760
Speaker 1: Secret Garbage item of the year.

2072
01:54:57,840 --> 01:54:59,560
Speaker 2: Go out and sell your car tomorrow, Dan, you don't

2073
01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:00,040
Speaker 2: need it.

2074
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:05,160
Speaker 1: Oh man, I wish, I wish.

2075
01:55:05,320 --> 01:55:07,640
Speaker 2: I wonder how many the people listening to this at

2076
01:55:07,640 --> 01:55:10,240
Speaker 2: home or nodding along. I wonder how many people are

2077
01:55:10,480 --> 01:55:14,200
Speaker 2: throwing up their hands. Maybe we've lost listeners. We've lost

2078
01:55:14,240 --> 01:55:16,240
Speaker 2: listeners because of this one hundred percent. That's okay.

2079
01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:19,440
Speaker 1: You got to put yourself out there, ty your true self.

2080
01:55:19,560 --> 01:55:22,080
Speaker 2: But look, here's the deal. Okay, do you own a bike,

2081
01:55:22,160 --> 01:55:24,640
Speaker 2: by the way, I do own a bike. Yeah, it's great.

2082
01:55:25,320 --> 01:55:28,480
Speaker 2: Here's the deal. Though, We are giving you an opportunity

2083
01:55:28,520 --> 01:55:30,720
Speaker 2: to speak out against us if you feel differently, or

2084
01:55:30,760 --> 01:55:33,800
Speaker 2: to agree with us. Of course you can email It's

2085
01:55:33,800 --> 01:55:35,920
Speaker 2: Oliver Well at gmail dot com. That always stands, doesn't

2086
01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:38,560
Speaker 2: matter if we're talking about college football or non college football.

2087
01:55:39,160 --> 01:55:41,360
Speaker 2: I am in the process, as we were recording this

2088
01:55:41,400 --> 01:55:43,400
Speaker 2: a few days before it goes live. I am in

2089
01:55:43,400 --> 01:55:45,480
Speaker 2: the process of putting together an actual bracket that you

2090
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:48,040
Speaker 2: can go and fill out and see how you compare

2091
01:55:48,040 --> 01:55:50,440
Speaker 2: to the for baller Hood. It is free. You just

2092
01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:54,280
Speaker 2: got to enter your email. I promise you we will

2093
01:55:54,320 --> 01:55:56,720
Speaker 2: not sell the email. We will not do anything crazy

2094
01:55:56,760 --> 01:55:59,520
Speaker 2: with it. There will be a box there. We have

2095
01:55:59,600 --> 01:56:01,680
Speaker 2: to we have to at least give you the option

2096
01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:04,240
Speaker 2: to sign up for our wonderful newsletter. Of course, which

2097
01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:08,600
Speaker 2: is written by Tyler, who submitted beach vacations.

2098
01:56:08,680 --> 01:56:09,480
Speaker 1: Great submission.

2099
01:56:09,880 --> 01:56:11,520
Speaker 2: This is just one thing that we do. But you

2100
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:13,520
Speaker 2: can uncheck the box. Okay, if you don't want it,

2101
01:56:13,520 --> 01:56:16,120
Speaker 2: you don't whatever, it's fine. We just want to get

2102
01:56:16,160 --> 01:56:19,520
Speaker 2: your feedback. So go to the garbage dot solidverbo dot com,

2103
01:56:20,480 --> 01:56:24,000
Speaker 2: enter your email address, check the boxer, don't check the box.

2104
01:56:24,040 --> 01:56:27,360
Speaker 2: That's fine either way. I won't even have it pre selected. Okay,

2105
01:56:28,360 --> 01:56:32,560
Speaker 2: I won't do that to you. Then fill out the bracket.

2106
01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:35,400
Speaker 2: Then see how you compare it to others. Will flash

2107
01:56:35,400 --> 01:56:39,360
Speaker 2: the screen up there so you can see where the

2108
01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:42,840
Speaker 2: revolver hoods at with all these eighteen really good submissions.

2109
01:56:43,480 --> 01:56:47,000
Speaker 1: These are okay. So I have a couple also receiving abouts.

2110
01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:48,680
Speaker 1: We don't need to discuss them. I just want to

2111
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Speaker 1: put them out there for a discussion, okay for other people.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

2113
01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:55,240
Speaker 1: So of the ones that I did not or you

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01:56:55,320 --> 01:56:59,040
Speaker 1: did not put through, I had my number nine out

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01:56:59,080 --> 01:57:01,960
Speaker 1: of fourteen federal holiday time off.

2116
01:57:02,040 --> 01:57:06,200
Speaker 2: I don't get this one at all. We need more

2117
01:57:06,240 --> 01:57:13,880
Speaker 2: of this, in my opinion, disagree? Yes, what what I

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01:57:13,880 --> 01:57:15,680
Speaker 2: couldn't in good faith put this one in? I was

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01:57:15,680 --> 01:57:17,480
Speaker 2: fearful that if I put it in, people will be like,

2120
01:57:17,480 --> 01:57:20,000
Speaker 2: why why am I listening to these guys again?

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01:57:20,240 --> 01:57:23,760
Speaker 1: I think I think the idea of holidays is great.

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01:57:24,680 --> 01:57:28,200
Speaker 1: The idea of having a holiday honoring presidents Martin Luther King,

2123
01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:31,720
Speaker 1: Labor Day, take your pick, Memorial Day. I think we

2124
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:35,360
Speaker 1: should honor important things in our society. But people are

2125
01:57:35,360 --> 01:57:38,280
Speaker 1: basically just using holidays not to honor those things, but

2126
01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:42,120
Speaker 1: to put on like an American flag themed thong and

2127
01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:45,680
Speaker 1: eat cake and grill out. Like that's not really honoring.

2128
01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:50,360
Speaker 2: You're more conflating several things into here. So let's just

2129
01:57:51,600 --> 01:57:55,120
Speaker 2: you need more time to like fully let this idea.

2130
01:57:55,320 --> 01:57:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm good with days off. I'm good with holiday day

2131
01:57:57,960 --> 01:58:01,800
Speaker 1: off if there's a specific act activity, you know, Chris

2132
01:58:01,880 --> 01:58:04,800
Speaker 1: miss or Thanksgiving or something that's tied to what we

2133
01:58:04,840 --> 01:58:09,120
Speaker 1: are doing on this day off, not doing, not taking

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Speaker 1: time off, but not really honoring the reason.

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01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:13,920
Speaker 2: That's what I'm this is. This is strange, all right.

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Speaker 2: Girl Scout Cookies was another one you had that one

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Speaker 2: easily could have gone through here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's parents selling Girl Scout cookies online. It's an

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Speaker 1: insane thing. The cookies are not nearly as good as

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Speaker 1: they used to be before. If you're gonna eat cookies,

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Speaker 1: eat good cookies. I don't think Girls Scout cookies.

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Speaker 2: If you had put this one higher on your list,

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Speaker 2: and remember I gave you preference, if you had put

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Speaker 2: this one higher on your list, this would have easily

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01:58:33,120 --> 01:58:35,360
Speaker 2: been in. So this one could be if we do

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Speaker 2: this again at some point in the near future, which

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Speaker 2: there we might after this Girl Scout Cookies is I

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Speaker 2: think are very strong entry. No disrespect to the fine

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Speaker 2: Girl Scouts of America.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's process and the product is not good, but

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Speaker 1: I appreciate selling, especially like learning the social skills of

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Speaker 1: selling in person. Bachelor and bachelorette parties, Logistical.

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Speaker 2: Nightmares, Yeah that's not even secret garbage. But yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: your birthday. You have non child birthday parties.

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Speaker 1: Adult birthday parties. Yeah, let's just plan a dinner for

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Speaker 1: when it's convenient for all of us to plan a dinner.

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Speaker 1: We don't need to send it around. You turning thirty seven, Sarah,

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Speaker 1: It doesn't do anything for us. Let's just all figure

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Speaker 1: out when birthday. That's insane to honor somebody's birthday. I

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Speaker 1: have shared plates down here. I hate a shared plate.

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Speaker 1: I cannot stand a shared plate at a restaurant.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you know what.

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Speaker 1: We do things a little bit differently here.

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Speaker 2: We recommend like five to six. You think like a

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Speaker 2: tapis situation.

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Speaker 1: No, no, this is just a thing everywhere now nobody's

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Speaker 1: just nobody just has dishes to order. I will have

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Speaker 1: the Penne riggat whatever, the penne vodka. I'll have a

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Speaker 1: mushroom and onion pee. Everything is shared, everything is built smaller.

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Speaker 1: And then you have to do food math where it's

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Speaker 1: just like, I feel like I've already had one and

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Speaker 1: a half meatball, should I have more? Like there are

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Speaker 1: the weird considerations you now have to make. You're like, well,

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Speaker 1: I didn't have a lot of those noodles, so I

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Speaker 1: feel like I'm entitled to more of the rabbioli. No,

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Speaker 1: I just I don't like the calculus involved with shared plates.

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Speaker 1: And then I have down here anything after nine pm

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Speaker 1: that's probably specific to the old ones.

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Speaker 2: That's a dan thing, all right. We had some other

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Speaker 2: ones that came in, many that came in via the

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Speaker 2: Verballer hood. One that I almost put in popcorn. I

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Speaker 2: didn't love.

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Speaker 1: I didn't love the reasons why, but I appreciated the attempt.

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Speaker 2: The attempt was one of the great scams, and snacking

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Speaker 2: on its own, it tastes like edible packing material. If

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Speaker 2: I'm going in empty calorie mode, give me tortilla chips

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Speaker 2: or cake cod chips. Let's be honest about it.

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Speaker 1: I don't think popcorn is caloric, though.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it is either. No. I like popcorn,

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Speaker 2: so I couldn't in good faith withut this.

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Speaker 1: I like popcorn too.

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Speaker 2: No, I had three D movies. I didn't think it

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Speaker 2: was controversial enough to be included in this.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a I don't think it's a

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Speaker 1: thing anymore either.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. I don't know. We talked

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Speaker 2: about this in the bonus episode. I left it out

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Speaker 2: because of that discussion. One of the other things on

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Speaker 2: my cutting room floor was five blade razors.

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Speaker 1: See, I don't use a you don't use it.

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Speaker 2: I'm just like I know. It's been sold to the

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Speaker 2: male population as something that gives you a cleaner shave

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Speaker 2: in one pass, so that it doesn't irritate the skin.

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Speaker 2: I have yet to actually see any scientific data showing

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Speaker 2: me that it actually improves the shaving experience.

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Speaker 1: US have you used any razor that you're happy with.

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Speaker 1: We're like, this is the Rolls Royce of straight razors.

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Speaker 2: Or.

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Speaker 1: You just out on the claims and promises of the.

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Speaker 2: I use a three blade razor, I can go three.

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Speaker 2: Three is the limit though. Anything more than three is

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Speaker 2: marketing and they charge more for it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough. Anything else.

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Speaker 2: We had a bunch of other ones that came through

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Speaker 2: via the Boler hood Some of them were good. Some

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Speaker 2: of them definitely rose to the level of I think

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Speaker 2: being considered as part of this.

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Speaker 1: About every Instagram advertised product as being secret garbage. We

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Speaker 1: set out to make the perfect hoodie like.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, we had dating apps. We're thrown in here.

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Speaker 2: A couple thoughts for Costco.

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Speaker 1: You're not going to get sympathy from me. I love

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Speaker 1: a good.

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Speaker 2: Costco watching a game at a sports bar.

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Speaker 1: That's a good one. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: The TV show Succession, I actually really liked that one.

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Speaker 1: From Jacob Succession.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Bravo as a TV network. The band Journey not bad,

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Speaker 2: not bad. Any Michael Sure.

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Speaker 1: Show Someone's interesting. I like a lot of his shows, though,

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Speaker 1: but I'm willing to listen.

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Speaker 2: New music here from Dan that's a that's an extreme

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Speaker 2: old man take. We had birthday cake. Another one from

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Speaker 2: Raoul who was on that that's a no brainer. I

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Speaker 2: think that's a great secret garbage entrant. Avocado toast.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I love avocado toast, I just don't pay for it.

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Speaker 2: Regional fast food chains. Yeah. And one that I know

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Speaker 2: you'll agree with from Michael. Thanksgiving dinner.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but I would say that's most Thanksgiving dinners because

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Speaker 1: most people are not great at making turkey. But I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of those items are delicious.

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Speaker 2: Aaron also said rental scooters, which cracked me up. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if they are aren't, but that one just

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Speaker 2: got me.

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Speaker 1: They are and people are terrible at riding them. That's

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Speaker 1: a good secret garbage entrant. But I also feel like

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Speaker 1: we're now in an anti scooter time, so I don't

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Speaker 1: know how secretive it is.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people realize that public opinion

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Speaker 2: has swung back against rentals.

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Speaker 1: I agree the birds and limes and such.

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Speaker 2: But maybe not now that we've got cars as our

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Speaker 2: winner of a secret garbage bracket.

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Speaker 1: That's true, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, you know the drill. This is a longer

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Speaker 2: than usual episode, many different top We hope it didn't

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Speaker 2: lose you along the way. We hope you enjoy the weekend.

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Speaker 2: As I said, the final four is this weekend. It's

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Speaker 2: a holiday weekend for many. Whatever it is you are

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Speaker 2: as we record this the friday before it goes live,

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Speaker 2: so enjoy your time away from the studio. When you

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