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Speaker 1: Yeah, So welcome to Pod meets World. I'm Daniel Fischel,

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Speaker 2: It's so good to you got Oh.

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Speaker 5: My god, thirty years.

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Speaker 6: Wow to see you too. You guys were just babies.

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Speaker 5: You guys look the same.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe thirty years have passed, but they have.

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Speaker 6: I got pregnant.

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Speaker 5: I was studying drama television film in college and then

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Speaker 2: Things about it and what the kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So, Kevin, how long did you work on Return

444
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Speaker 4: of the Jedi?

445
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 5: That was there? Six weeks? One week in UH London

446
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 5: at Elstreet Studios and five weeks on location up in

447
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 5: uh north of Crescent City. Yeah, you're most Smith River.

448
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 5: Do you know that one Fisherman? Beth River is the

449
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 5: town that we actually shot the film in.

450
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 2: Oh, that's so cool. And you know it was originally

451
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 2: a wookie planet.

452
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 3: It was originally to be all wookies and then they

453
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 3: wanted to make it more child friendly for the toys,

454
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 3: so they changed into the Ewoks.

455
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 5: Well, they was more primitive and if Chewi is driving

456
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 5: a spaceship, you can't really stay there primitive, So then

457
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 5: he changed the word around. But then there's also an

458
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 5: Indian tribe out there called the Mee Walk Tribe, which

459
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 5: so we kind of basted off of that Ewoks Wookie

460
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 5: being backwards for Ewok Wookie, same thing, and so there's

461
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 5: a couple of different ways of doing that. Tracy and

462
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 5: I were invited to the opening of the the Sequoia

463
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Speaker 5: Zoo in Eureka, which has a e Wok village path

464
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 5: to walk above the animals.

465
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Speaker 2: There doing that. That's awesome. Yeah, Kevin, it sounds like they.

466
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 4: Threw you into a lot of stunts. Were you technically

467
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 4: a stunt actor or.

468
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, oh yeah I was. I was the main

469
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 5: stunt actor for all the Ewoks. That's why I played

470
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 5: twenty different ewalks.

471
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 6: You were a gymnast, that's how.

472
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 5: You Yeah, I was a gymnast. I was a wrestler.

473
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 5: I was a mime and so JR. Randall, who was

474
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 5: the stunt coordinator, also did all the Indiana Jones pictures.

475
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 5: We wait a minute, you're a mime and a gymnast. Yeah,

476
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 5: you're exactly what we need. Yeah, you know until I

477
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 5: made a thing of like a monkey and a bear

478
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 5: for my audition and I ran around and I did

479
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 5: many different gymnastic moves and I actually ran full speed

480
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 5: into a wall, fell backwards, went into a handstand and

481
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 5: fell on my tummy and said, yeah, I can do stunts.

482
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Speaker 2: Wow, geez, oh man, I need even you.

483
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 5: Were no we were auditioning for Blue Harvest.

484
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did, It's right. You never knew.

485
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 5: I didn't know until I got to London actually, and

486
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 5: I went, wait a minute, that's Mark Hampbell, that's Harry Fisher,

487
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 5: that's R two D two.

488
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Speaker 1: First time you knew all that time we called it's.

489
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 5: Not really it's kind of but it's not Revenge of

490
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 5: the Jedi. It's and it's like, this is revenge that Jedi.

491
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 2: That's what it was. Revenge.

492
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 3: It wasn't the Return of the Jedi at the time.

493
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 3: Revenge of the Jedi. That's right, Yeah, awesome, so cool.

494
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Speaker 1: Well, Kevin, we also need to talk about the infamous

495
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: Garbage Pale Kids movie. You play Ali Gator, and this

496
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: movie is insane.

497
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 2: I've never seen it, but I've heard it's bonkers.

498
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 5: Be inebriated.

499
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 3: When you watch, it's like being on acid without spending

500
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Speaker 3: any money.

501
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 5: It's badly made, bad movie. Okay, do you guys ever

502
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 5: work with mackenzie at all? Or what's the girl's name? No,

503
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 5: Katie Barbary, Katie.

504
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 2: Barbary, Why do I know that name?

505
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 5: She does a lot of Telemundo stuff. She's actually bilingual

506
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 5: and so she does a lot. She's very big in

507
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 5: the Telemundo But Garbagepeled kid was.

508
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 6: Still going strong and all these comic cons and stuff.

509
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 6: People are sending us so many items to sign.

510
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 2: I'm sure.

511
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a huge cult following it.

512
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 6: Sure does.

513
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: Nick's mom is also in that movie with you.

514
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, like Robert all the like doing her snot

515
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 5: and stuff like that.

516
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: Are some of your wild stories.

517
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 5: From now and that is I was not supposed to

518
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 5: be one of the lead characters, but as soon I was,

519
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 5: my name was alligated and I got to do the voice.

520
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:04,959
Speaker 5: I was one of the you guys who got to

521
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 5: do the voice. I kind of said, where was it

522
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 5: be a good place for an alligator to have a voice?

523
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 5: And it's like, wouldn't it be great to have, like

524
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 5: a New Jersey type of accent, because you know one

525
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 5: of those guys that got fleshed down the toilet, because yeah,

526
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 5: that's where the voice kind of came from. And then

527
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 5: I started improvising a lot of my lines, like a

528
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 5: Knight ball a day helps get the doctor away. You

529
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 5: know they still looking those it. I got to watch

530
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 5: this movie. Yeah you have whatever your your bic?

531
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 3: Yes, well that was I mean that was my age range.

532
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 3: All my friends had garbage pail kids. That's all they

533
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 3: ever did. And to this day, I still want the

534
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 3: entire set, just to have them, just to have them.

535
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 5: You actually have a little forty five Oh yeah, the

536
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 5: first time I was recorded as the singer. Yeah, wooking

537
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 5: with each other, remember that, Yeah, exactly, that's very much.

538
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 5: So we have a couple of forty five's around here.

539
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 6: Yeah.

540
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about the Hollywood

541
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: Shorties as well?

542
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 5: The Hollywood Shorties that that was what. Yeah. Nick Rosino's

543
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 5: father was the manager of the Hollywood Shorties and they

544
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 5: were looking for players. And now my mom found out

545
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 5: about this at eleven years old. Billy Barty started it

546
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 5: actually before Little People of America because Billy was a

547
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 5: very good athlete when he was younger. He was actually

548
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 5: a two time letterman at what is now cal State LA.

549
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 5: At the time they called it La State, but now

550
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 5: it's cal State LA. And he was on the true

551
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 5: He went to school during the war because he was

552
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 5: too young to uh and too short to fight in

553
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 5: the war. But they needed more they weren't they didn't

554
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 5: have as many players.

555
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 6: It was for awareness, right.

556
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 5: But he wanted to join the football team. Right.

557
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: For our listeners who may not even know anything about

558
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: the Hollywood Shorties, why don't you tell Why don't you

559
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: tell our listeners what they are?

560
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 5: The Billy Bardy, I mean, the Hollywood Shorties were the

561
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 5: smallest professional basketball and baseball teams in the world. Our

562
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 5: players ranged in size from three foot six to four

563
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 5: foot ten, and we had baseball and basketball. We actually

564
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 5: played soccer against the Laser Girls. We played whatever sport

565
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 5: you basically threw at us. But our biggest was the

566
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 5: basketball and baseball.

567
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 6: Teams, and it was for awareness.

568
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 5: And it was awareness and charity. We raised a lot

569
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 5: of funds for different charities all through the southern California

570
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 5: area and the little people of America. We raised funds

571
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 5: for adoption so that kids parents could afford adoption of

572
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 5: little people who were put up for adoption, and then

573
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 5: also surgery. Some people couldn't afford surgery, so we would

574
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 5: raise money to go towards that fund for that certain

575
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 5: persons surgery, and just different things of you know, the PTA,

576
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 5: these different sports teams of little leagues and things like that.

577
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 6: And you guys also met like a lot of average

578
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 6: sized parents who have a little person. I've never experienced

579
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 6: other little people, and so a lot of times there

580
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 6: would be new parents coming to these games and seeing

581
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 6: little people do just like everybody else. So it was

582
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 6: it was a beautiful thing. I remember being in the

583
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 6: audience and I would be people that have never seen

584
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 6: another little person before, even other little people, and I say, wow.

585
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 5: My child can do that exactly. And so now what

586
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 5: we all I got old and now they have what's

587
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 5: called the d a A, the Dwarf Athletic Association, but

588
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 5: the the we were the forefront of all that before

589
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 5: that time, and then we had little gags in there.

590
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 5: Tracy was actually part of our biggest gag. She was

591
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 5: the I would get knocked out and nobody could revive me,

592
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 5: so a girl from the audience was brought out to

593
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 5: give me like the snow white.

594
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 7: Kiss, and and I go off with her and they

595
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 7: come out, and then Tracy comes back out and she's like, oh,

596
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 7: I was fulling around on my wife.

597
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 5: Gives me a smack that sends me into the wall.

598
00:31:45,040 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 8: So it was so cute.

599
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: Both of you have been really at the forefront of

600
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: little people representation in TV and film for many years,

601
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: and we will be talking mostly about your time on

602
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: Boy Meets World. So I wondered if you could give

603
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: us the lay of the land regarding roles and opportunities

604
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: that you could get in the eighties and nineties.

605
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 5: Well, in the eighties and nineties wasn't as PC, so.

606
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 6: You were able to do the character parts, the charge

607
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 6: parts available now because of how the world is with

608
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 6: political correctness. And I understand that, but I guess one

609
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 6: of the controversies now compared to what it was back

610
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 6: in the eighties, right, you.

611
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 5: Don't see little people playing leprechauns. You don't see little

612
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 5: people playing elves. The question of that was, we didn't

613
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 5: say we didn't want to play elves and leprechauns. We

614
00:32:53,200 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 5: said we wanted to play other things too, exactly, when's

615
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 5: the last time you saw a little guy or a

616
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 5: little woman playing a teacher laying a lawyer? Back in

617
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 5: back in the eighties, we had David Rappaport playing a

618
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 5: lawyer on La Lawact. I was a stunt devil and

619
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:23,719
Speaker 5: it was you had little people playing doctors at at times.

620
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 5: But mom and dads, when's the last time you saw

621
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 5: someone playing a mom and dad? Billy Bardy and Patty

622
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 5: Maloney were doing that all on the different shows like

623
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 5: love Boat or Fantasy Island or all the different shows.

624
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 5: You would say, Oh, it was kind of like a

625
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 5: guess who's coming to dinner and let's meet the parents? Oh,

626
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 5: oh right, wow, we have Oh what do we say?

627
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 5: You know, it's the awkwardness of the of the moment,

628
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 5: which was funny at times. And then you would come

629
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 5: and tell more about the storyline of why they have

630
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 5: an average size, of how that happens, the biological of

631
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 5: things like if it's not passed on of a of

632
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 5: a dwarfism, then they're an avergeised child, just like we have.

633
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 5: And now your friend Nick or our friend Nick Nick.

634
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 5: Since he was a day old, the Tracy's parents were advertised.

635
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 5: My parents were average sized. Most little people are born

636
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 5: to average sized parents.

637
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 6: Back to this heart, we don't have to bring Kevin back.

638
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 5: Very but it goes back to when's the last time

639
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 5: you saw a little person on TV on a commercial?

640
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: Speaking of Mickey, Mickey from Seinfeld, I guess was was

641
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 3: was a pretty great role at the time, but it

642
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 3: was rare, I mean incredibly but Danny Woodmark Danny.

643
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 5: But how many years ago was that?

644
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: Yeah? Nineties, mid nineties, right, so that.

645
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 5: Was thirty years ago almost.

646
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but even now with.

647
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 6: New technology, we're being replaced by C G I and

648
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 6: all that. With the Huntsmen, they're not little people. They

649
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 6: have dwarves in it, but they're all not little people.

650
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 2: Or the Snow White movie coming out.

651
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: White Movie coming Out is a big controversunity.

652
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 6: That's very controversy.

653
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 5: It's bad animation.

654
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, it's like it's now, I mean, yeah, there is.

655
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 3: It's very strategy all the way around.

656
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 5: Why did they use animated.

657
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: Dwarves taking jobs away from little people actors?

658
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 5: Right? Exactly right now, I did. I just ran into

659
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 5: we did the Hollywood Show and I hadn't seen Rex

660
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 5: Smith in years, and he had played Prince Charminge in

661
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 5: Shelley Duvall's Snow White and the Seven Dwarves that Ary

662
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 5: Tarild Theater and he goes, and that was one of

663
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 5: our conversations. It's what the heck They're spending billions of

664
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 5: money animating and you guys, we did a great job

665
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 5: in a week. We had a week rehearsal in a

666
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 5: week to shoot the show. And he said, and it's great,

667
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 5: but no, they have to kind of ruin it of

668
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 5: doing it that way. Which is the controversy is I'm

669
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 5: glad people are mad about it, and I'm mad about it,

670
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 5: but I had a job taken away from me. But

671
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 5: you know, I'm glad you're mad about it. I'm glad

672
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 5: Tracy's going where's my new shoes? But they're not offering something.

673
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 5: Even today, Peter Dinkliic has gotten many, many accolades, but

674
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 5: even in that, you don't see little people in regular roles.

675
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 5: Madison Avenue has forgotten us completely. It's just it's I

676
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 5: don't mean to be bitter, but it's just it's just

677
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 5: what it is.

678
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a reshure. Yeah, well, do you remember getting

679
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: your job on Boy Meets World? Switching Gears to Boy

680
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: Meets World. Do you remember getting the job?

681
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 5: We didn't know what we were going to Auto World?

682
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, I do.

683
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 5: Well.

684
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 6: We worked with John Tracy on Growing Paints, so we

685
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 6: had known him for several years. Who did the pilot

686
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 6: for you guys. So I remember he would bring us

687
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 6: with us to a lot of different shows. We were

688
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 6: kind of in his pocket, you know, so and he

689
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 6: did all the kids shows so during that time. So

690
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 6: we went from Growing Paints to Boy Meets World and uh,

691
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 6: I remember Michael Jacobs and so we kind of we

692
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 6: had this routine with John. It wasn't uh, it was

693
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 6: just it was unspoken.

694
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, knew that he goes you got Are they ready

695
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 5: for him? Are they ready for camera?

696
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 6: He gave us a lot of responsibility compared to most directors,

697
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 6: and it was almost like a father figure to us.

698
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 6: So it was, you know, we didn't want to get

699
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 6: in trouble.

700
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 5: We wanted to make them proud, but we didn't want

701
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 5: to get in trouble. Yeah, sure, as it was the

702
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 5: voice of God. Did they get their note trace?

703
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 6: It was always we were kind of the go between

704
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 6: with you guys, the kids and the director because the

705
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 6: director didn't have a lot of time once the once

706
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 6: you guys came on set, and so I remember working

707
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 6: with Lily, you know, Lily Eyed Morgan, Lily say and uh,

708
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 6: she she was challenging. She was wonderful, but that age

709
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 6: is challenging and so to stay focused. And I just

710
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 6: remember always, uh, John would say, Tracy, just over the

711
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 6: intercom in front of everybody, Tracy, did you give them

712
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 6: their notes? And I'm like yeah, and the and Lily's

713
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 6: like like am I Lily?

714
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 5: Everybody acts Yeah, yeah, it was.

715
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 6: It was pretty funny. But that's interesting how we started.

716
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 5: And we remember when you got the.

717
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: Job, you do.

718
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 5: Well.

719
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 6: We were in the audience. It was during rehearsal, and uh,

720
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 6: April Kelly, do you remember her? She she was hiding.

721
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 6: She came up to the audience behind Kevin and I

722
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 6: because we always stood up on the audience when you

723
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 6: guys were rehearsing, so we could see your blocking and everything.

724
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 6: And she was whispering behind us and she was saying,

725
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 6: watch watch Danielle. And we're like, oh, okay, because I

726
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 6: forget the gal that was originally.

727
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 5: Cast, but she was cast a completely different type of role.

728
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, And so I remember her saying to watch you,

729
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 6: and we were watching you and she was really in

730
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 6: your corner.

731
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 5: She really liked.

732
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 6: You, and I remember her talking about you as Topanga.

733
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 6: And then because we always stayed with the notes and after,

734
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 6: you know, afterwards, and that I remember the whole thing

735
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 6: when she was talking about it.

736
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 5: It was the girl who had you replaced was doing

737
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 5: her role exactly the way that Yeah, she did it

738
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 5: exactly the way that that Michael wanted her to do it.

739
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 5: It just was he realized in the middle of the

740
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 5: show that.

741
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just wanted to go a whole other way

742
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 3: with the character and yeah.

743
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 5: Exact well. I remember when Writer was not cast in

744
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 5: a certain character and they had a guest star of

745
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 5: I won't say that, and it just wasn't working. And

746
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 5: so when he was let go and you came in,

747
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 5: everything was working. It was like they were writing writing

748
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 5: for Writer but not for the other character. And between

749
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 5: you two it was this magic. Yeah. And when that

750
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 5: came in, when you came in, everything just it just flowed.

751
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 5: It was like, wow, there it is, yeah, yeah, and

752
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 5: it's funny the way that goes. It was nothing against

753
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 5: the kid the way who go Yeah, it just with you.

754
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 3: So they wait were the two of you then on

755
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 3: the pilot a Boy Meets World with the original cancn

756
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 3: so you were so you were there when it was

757
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 3: Matt McCoy was the dad. There was another older brother

758
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 3: and what so what was the how did the pilot.

759
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 2: Shoot of Boy Meets World?

760
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 3: Well, wasn't even Boy meets all the time when we

761
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: got the untitled Ben Savage project that was called eleven. Yeah,

762
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: so what was what was the shoot of the pilot?

763
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 6: Like it was still it was still really funny, well done,

764
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 6: and it was funny. I think Michael Jacobs, you know

765
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 6: how he just is so intense and knows exactly what

766
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 6: he wants, and so I think it just wasn't what

767
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,959
Speaker 6: he you know, was just needed.

768
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 5: A little bit of tweaky, yeah, you know. And so

769
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 5: there was just.

770
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 6: Originally it was all about family, you know, it was

771
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 6: the family dynamics, and then it got into you know

772
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 6: the relationships of you guys as kids and growing up

773
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 6: and and all the adventures that you guys would experience

774
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 6: in the schooling with Bill Daniels.

775
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, being the neighbor of almost like the mister Wilson

776
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 5: from Dennis the Menus type of thing.

777
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, But you so you had done so many family

778
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 3: show pilots beforehand when you saw eleven or or the

779
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 3: untitled Ben Savage project, was there a moment of like,

780
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 3: this isn't this isn't going to work, or Hey, I

781
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 3: think there might be something here. I mean, could you

782
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 3: tell either way? As the show was progressing in front.

783
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 5: Of you have to say, we've worked on some really

784
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 5: funny things. Yeaheah, man, I can't wait to watch this one.

785
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 2: Nothing right during pilot.

786
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 6: During pilot season, Kevin, I would work like five pilots.

787
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: Now you don't you know, you don't, Yeah, it doesn't exist, right.

788
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 6: And then by the end of it, and then whatever

789
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 6: is picked up, we would have to choose. Okay, who

790
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 6: do you which one do you do you like? Which one?

791
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 5: Where do you think it's.

792
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 6: Going to go?

793
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 5: Sometimes time slots, Yeah, so.

794
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 6: So we would have to pick. We were Yeah, we

795
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 6: were so busy.

796
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 5: During Oh that's on the West side, We're going to

797
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 5: be driving.

798
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 2: From conversations.

799
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 6: We knew that you that it was a Savage pilot

800
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 6: at the time, Yeah, And we knew that that was

801
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 6: a name and he was determined to make it work.

802
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, Michael knows family sitcom, and we've talked about

803
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 3: that is there's a rhythm to comedy in sitcom and

804
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 3: family sitcom especially, and yeah, he's got the beat in

805
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 3: his head.

806
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: He definitely does.

807
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: You guys also then worked with one of our absolute favorites,

808
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: Lee Norris. Do you have any specific memories about working

809
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 1: with Lee?

810
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 6: It was so fun.

811
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

812
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 6: Tommy Madden, the late Tommy Madden. I don't know if

813
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 6: you guys remember himally the most, but because we were

814
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 6: assigned certain people, but uh he uh came from was

815
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 6: he and I worked on that one, and yeah, you're

816
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 6: just so so sweet and nice and I really like

817
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 6: he was as smart as his character was.

818
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: Yes, who were you guys assigned to? Who did you

819
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: stand in for? Tracy? You stand for me?

820
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 6: Well for Lily and I study for you. Yeah, so

821
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 6: it was you and then any female. But we we

822
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 6: always jumped around and so even like Kevin was Ben

823
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 6: and uh Will was Matt Kirkwood and writer I think

824
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 6: you sometimes we were just whoever bounced around. Yeah, so yeah,

825
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 6: but specifically I was like, yeah, and it was you

826
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 6: know what, sometimes it would get physical, Well, not with

827
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 6: you guys so much, but like I would stand in

828
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,959
Speaker 6: for kids that are like five six years old and

829
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 6: they'd be jumping on the couch. So guess who has

830
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 6: to jump on the couch, right, It's.

831
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 4: Like a little kid, and so bring all that energy.

832
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was very physical because a lot of times

833
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 6: you guys wouldn't do the run throughs for the producers.

834
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 5: And we would do it right out of time.

835
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, the day would end for you guys or whatever

836
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 6: you guys had to do, so we would be doing

837
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 6: the run throughs and things like that.

838
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: Did you guys like being able to work together?

839
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 6: It was fun? Yeah, it worked out right. And in fact,

840
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 6: like we were saying, boy meets Will, I remember just

841
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 6: the scheduling and everything because you guys were all kids.

842
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 6: The hours weren't as long as a feature film. Sometimes

843
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 6: I was on location for sixteen hours or whatever.

844
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 5: It was somewhere and act in the was time.

845
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 6: So I knew. I remember telling Kevin we were up

846
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 6: in the audience, in the audience and we wanted a family.

847
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 6: And I remember saying, Okay, this is the show. We're

848
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 6: going to get pregnant on it. And he's like, what, Like,

849
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 6: what did you just say to me? A Matt cirk

850
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 6: who was there and We're like, okay, this is the one,

851
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 6: and so sure enough we got pregnant. And but that

852
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 6: was also got pregnant.

853
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

854
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a conception show.

855
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 6: I guess it was a time show. If you guys

856
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 6: remember ninety four, was it the earthquake fires there in October?

857
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 5: It was.

858
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: Barbara, Yeah, it was.

859
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was I just moved to Los Angeles and

860
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 3: that was my first year and I was like, what

861
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 3: where did I.

862
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: Just move to? Earthquakes? Floods? It was yeah, it was like,

863
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 2: where are we gonna get me back to Connecticut? This

864
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: place is crazy?

865
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 6: Yeah.

866
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 5: Nuts.

867
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 6: I remember meeting your family, I remember your parents, I

868
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 6: remember everybody's family and parents, and they were so happy

869
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 6: for all of you guys. It was a new experience

870
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 6: for you.

871
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was such a it was such a family set,

872
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: like everybody we were everyone was there all the time,

873
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: and yeah, it was it was a It was a

874
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: good time. And Kevin, we also heard your voice on

875
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: season one It's a Wonderful life. I think it may

876
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: be episode number eighteen. How did that come about?

877
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 5: Well, they had we always want to get a little

878
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 5: something in there because our job doesn't give the residual

879
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 5: and the residual was always nice off season, you know,

880
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 5: it was a whole boy you know, got to stick

881
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 5: it up. Yeah. But they had tried out a couple

882
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 5: of different voices for that R rated movie that Ben rents,

883
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 5: and so they were looking for a bad guy and

884
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 5: I had just gotten off the movie Space Invaders were

885
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 5: a play the character that has a Jack Nicholson accent.

886
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 5: I did the accent. They were like, that's it, That's

887
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 5: exactly it. You. So that's what they wanted as the

888
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 5: character because he was kind of like a shining type.

889
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 5: And then you did.

890
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 6: One on a bench thing? Yeah where we did?

891
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I did. I think that was the bench sure

892
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 5: thing was the was the R rated video?

893
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 6: I think so. And Arlene Grayson, do you guys remember

894
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 6: really really sweet and so she made sure she took

895
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 6: care of us.

896
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: She did, and so everyone we've spoken to who everybody's

897
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: everybody took care of me, every single person.

898
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, she just yeah, that was her. That was if

899
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,439
Speaker 2: you remember, big pagr, big smile, big laugh.

900
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: I a lot of legacy she left behind for everybody,

901
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: because everyone says the same thing. I felt really taken

902
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: care of by her. She took care of me. She

903
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: looked out for me. She brought me from the show

904
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: to that show. She did plumped me out of obscurity

905
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: in some cases, like, yeah, Arlene was a wonderful woman.

906
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 6: It brought me to the Sinbad Pilot with and Brandy

907
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 6: all kinds of things. Yeah, she brought me to a lot.

908
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 6: She she would bring me to different things and she

909
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 6: was just so sweet.

910
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: And so what year did you guys leave Boy Meets

911
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: World And where did you go next?

912
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 6: Well, you guys outgrew us pretty quickly, and that's that's

913
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 6: the thing. Kids shoot up really fast. And so where

914
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 6: did I?

915
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 5: Oh?

916
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 6: I ended up staying home because I had Wyatt. So yeah,

917
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 6: so I was a stay at home mother for a

918
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 6: year until I started back.

919
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 5: I thought a show called home. What is called? It

920
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 5: was the small Att Family, so a new journey small

921
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 5: at It was kind of an offshoot from uh family Matters.

922
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 6: I forget what? Yeah, and that was John Tracy also

923
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 6: went to that right.

924
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 5: John Tracy had started becoming the It was a what

925
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 5: do you want to say? They tried to make it

926
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 5: a sitcom, but it was a It was so much

927
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 5: work was needed on it. They were doing that single

928
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 5: camera we did we didn't even have time because of

929
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 5: all the kids. Of the kids were left home alone

930
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 5: and the oldest brother did a Missus Doubtfire Ralph Harricks

931
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 5: comedian at the time, so he did the He did that.

932
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 5: I think it may have gotten the Emmy Award for makeup.

933
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 5: I'm not sure. I know he got. The creator John

934
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 5: Cannon got the Academy Award or doubt Fire who didn't.

935
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 5: But that was just that was the show that we

936
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 5: went to. I think after that and then you looked

937
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 5: at it and went, I got to do We worked

938
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 5: so hard to have a baby, I'm not going to

939
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 5: do this, so I'm going to stay home.

940
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 6: And then I went to like HR for Disney Studios

941
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 6: for a while, a regular job.

942
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: Well, we talked a little bit about how difficult there

943
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: are to be, you know, how it's become. They're making

944
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: it more and more difficult for a little people to

945
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: find jobs in the entertainment industry. Is stand in work

946
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: something that's still possible? Is that something? How has that

947
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: changed in.

948
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 5: I haven't see the last couple of things I've done.

949
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 5: Sleton I did Skeleton Crew. Okay, yeah, I was Neil's

950
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 5: but I was all actually all I stood in for

951
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 5: all four of them, all four kids. They were great kids.

952
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 5: And that was you know, that was whereas we do

953
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 5: a show in a week, they did a show in

954
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 5: a month. Yea, so it was it was seven months,

955
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 5: eight episodes for seven months.

956
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 6: So wow, I'm retired.

957
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 5: Retired, I'm semi retired. So a lot of it is

958
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 5: do I look like a child now? I like to

959
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 5: think so, but yes, yes, but you know I am

960
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 5: a little bit up there now I'm older than the parents,

961
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 5: so it is a little different. I stood in my

962
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 5: very first time for Peter Dinklic for a movie with

963
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 5: al Pacino called Lear Rex, which is King Lear. I

964
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 5: mean just recently, and so that was the last thing

965
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 5: I really did. It's just Hollywood basically the last couple

966
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 5: of years since COVID has really shut down. We have

967
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 5: a lot of friends who are like, you know, going

968
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 5: into different jobs, who've been you know, three generations of

969
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 5: working in a certain either camera or team stirs or

970
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 5: things like that, or looking for other jobs because it's

971
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 5: just it's not there.

972
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 6: But the good thing about for us not only being

973
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 6: in front of the camera stand in work was great

974
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 6: for us to it went towards our pension and health

975
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 6: and health care. So uh, instead of getting a job

976
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 6: outside when we weren't working in front of the camera,

977
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 6: the stand in work was a great uh yeah, but

978
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 6: actually we enjoyed it. Yeah, And some actors are like,

979
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 6: how can you be in front of the camera one

980
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 6: week and behind the camera as a stand in the next,

981
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 6: And we're like, it's not about that. It's about creating something,

982
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 6: having the same goals as everybody, being a team player,

983
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 6: and it went for It was our love too, So

984
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 6: whether we were in front of the camera behind the camera,

985
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 6: it still is making a beautiful product together and that's

986
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 6: that's what we loved about it.

987
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 3: That's one of the things I think. I mean, we

988
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 3: we all kind of knew it. Asaniel always says, it

989
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 3: takes a village to make a great show. We all

990
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 3: kind of you know, we had that in our minds.

991
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it took a lot of people. But the

992
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 3: more we've been doing the podcast and interviewing people and

993
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 3: talking to people, we really realized how true a statement

994
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 3: that is. Where it took all of us to do

995
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 3: what was on the screen, and by the time you

996
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 3: got to see us doing the lines or the actors

997
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 3: doing the show, there were already three hundred people involved

998
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 3: in just getting us to that point. And man, that's

999
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 3: one of the things that has really opened my eyes

1000
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 3: about doing this podcast is how naive we were to

1001
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 3: all the work everybody put in to make the show

1002
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 3: what it is.

1003
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's much different than we thought.

1004
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 5: Well, like, the pre production makes the production go well,

1005
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 5: and then you yip a great post production to finish

1006
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,479
Speaker 5: it all up. But one person, crazy thing is one

1007
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 5: person throwing a wrench and the thing can just screw

1008
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 5: up everything. Yep. Like you said, you want to be

1009
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 5: a team player and everybody playing that team.

1010
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you two were an absolutely unforgettable part of

1011
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: Boy Meets World for all of us, and we appreciate

1012
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,479
Speaker 1: you so much just in general, but really also being

1013
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 1: here with us and sharing your experiences. You guys are

1014
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: i mean, your Hollywood legends, and I encourage everybody to

1015
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: go and pick up Tracy's book tell us the name

1016
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: of it one more time.

1017
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,919
Speaker 6: It's called My Journey to End, or you can find

1018
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 6: it on Amazon.

1019
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: I'm getting it, Okay.

1020
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 6: You know, you guys make us proud. We are so

1021
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 6: proud of all of you. You you know, we see

1022
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 6: so many child actors come through and we work all

1023
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 6: together as a family, and we're just really proud of

1024
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 6: each one of you.

1025
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 5: So you're a good kids. Yeah, you're good kid.

1026
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 6: You made our job.

1027
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: So thanks, thank you, thank you. Appreciate you so much.

1028
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: It's great to see your faces. I hope I can

1029
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: see your face in person sometime soon too. We should

1030
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: do it. We should do a Nick Risito group group

1031
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 1: around and I'll bring Will and writer and and that'd

1032
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: be really great. We'd love to see you.

1033
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 6: We'd love it.

1034
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 3: And since we since we've technically known him since he

1035
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 3: was conceived, I'd like to meet Wyant as well.

1036
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 2: We had a.

1037
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,280
Speaker 1: Hand in that.

1038
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 2: You're welcome.

1039
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. Great to see

1040
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: you both. Take care. Oh my gosh, so great to

1041
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: connect with them.

1042
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 3: His voice, especially when we heard him before he even

1043
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 3: saw him. I just it brought me right back to

1044
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 3: the set. I was just so funny.

1045
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 4: I was thinking when you were talking about like being

1046
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 4: a team effort, I was like, wat, we actually barely

1047
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 4: got to work with them in scene.

1048
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 2: We just hung out.

1049
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 4: I just remember hanging out and talking to them, you know,

1050
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 4: at craft service.

1051
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:48,919
Speaker 5: But it's so funny.

1052
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 4: You're like, oh, right, whenever they were working, we were

1053
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 4: in school.

1054
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 3: So when they were I got to work with them

1055
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 3: more than you guys, because you're in school and I

1056
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 3: could sit there. Yeah right, yeah, so it'd be Ben

1057
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 3: or be Right or whoever whoever they were they were

1058
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 3: standing in for so I got a chance to work

1059
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 3: with him a lot more.

1060
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 2: And it was just, yeah, it was. It was a

1061
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 2: ton of fun, It really was. I want.

1062
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,720
Speaker 3: It's so strange to see because they're talking about Peter Dinklage,

1063
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 3: who is arguably next to Billy Barty with he was

1064
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 3: talking about Billy Barty. Anybody out there who doesn't know

1065
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 3: who Billy Barty is go and google him, because he's

1066
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 3: He's arguably the most famous little person actor ever.

1067
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 2: He was in Everything.

1068
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 3: But Peter Dinklage comes along and is also in everything

1069
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 3: and is winning Emmys for Game of Thrones, and it

1070
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 3: seems like, as again, arguably the most recognizable and famous

1071
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 3: little person is becoming more and more famous, there's less

1072
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 3: work for little people, which is such a strange dynamic,

1073
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 3: you know it was, I mean, because they are they're

1074
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 3: casting Peter Dinklage as just a person, as they should,

1075
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 3: and you wonder why that is kind of feeling more

1076
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 3: and more.

1077
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly why is it just him?

1078
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 3: Because there's a whole group of little people out there

1079
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 3: that are phenomenal, and yeah, it's very strange.

1080
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: Well, thank you all for joining us for this episode

1081
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: of Podmeets World. As always, you can follow us on

1082
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: Instagram pod Meets World Show. You can send us your

1083
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: emails pod meets World Show at gmail dot com. And

1084
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: we've got merch.

1085
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 3: I don't know where to go with this because the

1086
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 3: part of me wants to do Star Wars merch.

1087
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I want to do nub nub merch,

1088
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 2: nub nub merch. I would ever. I mean, there's so

1089
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 2: much I want to go garbage, pale merchant.

1090
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go with you straight up merch, because

1091
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 3: that's what Barry Barty kata merch.

1092
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 2: But Billy Barty he sounds like this. He's very famous

1093
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 2: for sounding just like this. I'm Billy Barty, So I'm

1094
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 2: gonna do merch.

1095
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: There, you co I love it. Pod reads worldshow dot

1096
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: com will send us out.

1097
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 2: We love you all, pod dismissed.

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Speaker 3: Pod Meets World isnheart podcast producer and hosted by Danielle Fischel,

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Speaker 3: Wilfredell and Ryder Strong executive producers, Jensen Parp and Amy Sugarman,

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Speaker 3: Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor,

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Speaker 3: Tara sudbachsch producer, Maddy Moore, engineer and boy Mes World

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Speaker 3: super fan Easton Allen. Our theme song is by Kyle

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Speaker 3: Morton of Typhoon and you can follow us on Instagram

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Speaker 3: at Podmets World Show or email us at Podmetsworldshow at

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Speaker 3: gmail dot com