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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Does the name Vanessa gain

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Speaker 1: absolutely beautiful on the inside and out. I've met with

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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 1: now learning motive as to why a fellow officer, Aaron Robinson,

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Speaker 1: and his married girlfriend Aguilar, why they did what they did. Now, remember,

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Speaker 1: to prove who did it, where, what jurisdiction and generally

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Speaker 1: when and that that action violated the criminal code. But

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Speaker 1: Vanessa Gean. Also in the last days, Vanessa Gean's family

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Speaker 1: has filed a multi million dollar lawsuit, a thirty five

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Speaker 1: The suit claims Vanessa again suffered mental anguish, fear, emotional distress,

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Speaker 1: physical injury, and death as a result. I've repeated sex harassments, rape,

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Speaker 1: not commenting on this lawsuit, but the lawsuit filed by

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Speaker 1: the nicest people I have ever met. The lawsuit details

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Speaker 1: the court documents, which are very upsetting outline how by

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Speaker 1: I'm concerned us over with somebody actually seemed somebody in

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Speaker 1: to tell everybody what you're talking about. A pelican case.

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Speaker 1: Where did he the witness see that? On the base?

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Speaker 1: Could how could the army not figure that out? The

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Speaker 1: attorney for Vanessa Gein's family. She was in top shape.

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Speaker 1: She's a private first class in the Army. She runs

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Speaker 1: What really happened? A beautiful twenty year old private first

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Speaker 1: You lost your daughter. God rest her soul. This is

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Speaker 1: against the Army for all that she endured in her

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Speaker 1: years in the army, we now are hearing about the

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Speaker 1: exact motive, motive behind Vanessa Gin's murder. Now, this is

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Speaker 1: what we're learning, and we're getting it from the horse's mouth. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is from the Texas Department of Public Safety and

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00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: it was filed in federal court. We learned that the

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Speaker 1: married girlfriend, Cecily Aguilar, remember she was married, and was

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Speaker 1: sleeping around with another officer, Aaron Robinson. This is what

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Speaker 1: we learned. We learned that Gain saw Robinson's iPhone and

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Speaker 1: then on the phone was a photo of Cecily Aguilar.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if she had her clothes on or not.

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Speaker 1: But as soon as Aaron Robinson realized Vanessa saw the photo,

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Speaker 1: he totally nutted up. He was afraid Vanessa I would

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Speaker 1: turn him in for violating the army fraternization rule. In

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Speaker 1: other words, don't sleep around with your fellow military officers,

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Speaker 1: wives and husbands. As should go without saying. But because

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Speaker 1: he was afraid Vanessa would write him out, he took

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Speaker 1: a hammer and murdered her. That's what we're learning now.

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Speaker 1: We're also learning that Aguilar claims Aaron Robinson would go

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Speaker 1: into moods where he would not be his normal self

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Speaker 1: and would quote have a tick. You know what, I

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Speaker 1: don't care what his moods were. He committed murder. More

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Speaker 1: information we're learning from the married girlfriend, Cecily Aguilar. She

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Speaker 1: told authorities, quote, Robinson killed the girl. She went on

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Speaker 1: to tell authorities about how Robinson took her out to

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Speaker 1: the Leon River and showed me her words, not mine.

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Speaker 1: In other words, showed the dead body of Vanessa again

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Speaker 1: to Cecily Aguilar. You know, that's the point where Cecily

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Speaker 1: Aguilar had the chance to put a stop to all that,

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Speaker 1: to not dismember and try to burn her. But no,

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Speaker 1: She helped dispose of Gain's body right then and there.

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Speaker 1: She bought two bags. She went on Facebook marketplace to

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Speaker 1: find quote concrete for sale. It just, you know, to

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Speaker 1: cover up Vanessa's body. She removed Vanessa's body from the

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Speaker 1: army issued tote bag Robinson was carrying her in because

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Speaker 1: Robinson quote didn't want to remove the body. I mean,

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Speaker 1: she certainly did not have a problem disposing of Vanessa's

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Speaker 1: dead body, and Nancy sat there let the family go

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Speaker 1: through pure hell looking for Vanessa. What more do we

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Speaker 1: know about Cecily Aguilar? Take a listen to our friend

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Speaker 1: Steve Campion, ABC thirteen Katie R. K Houston. Cecily Aguilar

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Speaker 1: and her public defenders asked a judge to throw out

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Speaker 1: her twenty twenty confession in which she told investigators she

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Speaker 1: helped Aaron Robinson dismember and dispose of Gian's body. In fact,

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Speaker 1: we saw for the first time today video of Aguilar's

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Speaker 1: conversation with investigators. She's seen on camera saying, quote, I'm

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Speaker 1: ready to get this expletive over with. Before I'm ready

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Speaker 1: to get this shi over with? Did she actually say

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Speaker 1: that Cecily Aguilar co defendant to kill her? Aaron Robinson

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Speaker 1: actually says, I'm ready to get this shi t over?

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Speaker 1: Really she wants it over? Well, what about Vanessa's mother

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Speaker 1: and her sister and her family. Don't you think they

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Speaker 1: want it over? But it will never have the ending

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Speaker 1: that they want to see Vanessa, to hold her again,

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Speaker 1: to love her, to talk to her, to be with her.

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Speaker 1: There is no happy ending. And this woman, this demon

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Speaker 1: from hell says she wants this shi over. Who is

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Speaker 1: Cecily Aguilar? Why do we care about this woman, this

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Speaker 1: married woman dating the killer Aaron Robinson. Well, I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you why. Take a listen to our friends at crime

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Speaker 1: online dot com. In her first interview with police, Aguilar

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Speaker 1: provided an alibi for Robinson for the night Vanessa gain

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Speaker 1: when missing April twenty second. Aguilar told investigators that she

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Speaker 1: was with Robinson the entire night and that they didn't

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Speaker 1: leave the house. When investigators got phone records, they reinterviewed

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Speaker 1: Aguilar and asked her why there were so many cas

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Speaker 1: between her and Robinson on the night of April twenty

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Speaker 1: second up until three thirty am on the twenty third,

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Speaker 1: if they were together in the house. At first, she

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00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 1: claimed she couldn't find her phone and Robinson was calling

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Speaker 1: it to help her find it, but it was the

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Speaker 1: length of the calls that made that impossible to believe.

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Speaker 1: Some investigators pressed Aguilar until she changed her story. In

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Speaker 1: a follow up interview with investigators on June nineteenth, Aguilar

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Speaker 1: suddenly remembered that Robinson wanted to take her to a

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Speaker 1: park by the water where they could look at the stars.

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Speaker 1: Checking phone location data, investigators were able to find the

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Speaker 1: exact location where Aguilar and Robinson were on April twenty

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Speaker 1: third and twenty sixth, and found a partially burned tough

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00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: box and other evidence that led to the remains of Vanesse. Again,

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Speaker 1: Cecily Aguilar was arrested at four am on July first,

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Speaker 1: three hours after her boyfriend Aaron Robinson committed suicide. She

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Speaker 1: was charged with conspiracy to tamper with evidence in relation

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Speaker 1: to the disappearance of Vanesse. Again, lies lies, lies. Every

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Speaker 1: time they catch Cecily Aguilar, the married lover, the mistress

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Speaker 1: of the killer, she lies, lies, lies, comes up with

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Speaker 1: another story. This is the woman who dismembered Vanessa's body,

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Speaker 1: who burned it, who buried it, and now she says

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Speaker 1: they were out sitting on a bench looking at the stars.

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Speaker 1: Nale Quam a special guest joining us. This is the

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Speaker 1: lawyer that has been to h ebl and Bat representing

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Speaker 1: Vanessa's family, and you can find her at whistle Blower

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00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: Law Firm. And I want to go right now to

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Speaker 1: who I consider now to be a friend. Along with

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00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: Nali Quam, Myra Gian, this is Vanessa's sister, and I

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00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 1: truly believe if it had not been for Myra Gin,

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Speaker 1: this case would be unsolved right now, and Vanessa's family

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00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: would have no idea what had become of Vanessa. Mira,

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Speaker 1: When you hear Cecily Aguilar lying through her teeth time

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Speaker 1: after time after time, how does that make you feel?

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00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: You know, that only brings so much hate and anger

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00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: that I don't want to have towards any individual. But

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Speaker 1: it's amazing how even after everything that she's done, she's

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00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: still trying to continue to fight with us. You know what,

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00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: You're such so much of a better person than me.

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00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: I've never claimed to be anything but a crime fighter. Myra,

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00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: you don't want to harbor hate and anger. That's incredible

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00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 1: to me after what you and your mother have been through.

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00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: You driving through the night, Remember you told me you

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00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: drove through the night, hours and hours. I think it

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00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: was raining to get to Fort Hood. You get there

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00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: and get to the guard post and they won't even

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00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: let you in, And there they let me just say,

541
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: misinformation begins lies. It's what I call it about where's Vanessa?

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00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: What have they done to try to find Vanessa? They

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00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: would even let you speak to anybody till the next morning,

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Speaker 1: go to some motel spend the night, and still the

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00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: lies keep coming about where your sister is. And now

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00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: you've got Cecily Aguilar lying through her teeth, trying to

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Speaker 1: get her confession thrown out of court. Now, why is

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00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 1: her statement so important? And her defense team is trying

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00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: every trick in the book to try to get this

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00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: statement thrown out. Ay, now you're going to find out why.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at ABC twenty twenty.

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00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: After finding human remains by the Leon River, army investigators

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00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: cauled Cecily Agular, Robinson's girlfriend back in for questioning, and

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00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: this time they say she's ready to talk. According to

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Speaker 1: court documents, As Aguilar's interview with investigators continues, she allegedly

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Speaker 1: tells them that Aaron Robinson confessed to her that he

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00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 1: had bludgeoned a female soldier to death in an armory

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00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: room on base. Agular states that Robinson further told her

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Speaker 1: that he placed Vanessa in a tough box and drove

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Speaker 1: her off the base. Now at the River, authorities say

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Speaker 1: Cecily Aguilar agrees to help Robinson get rid of the body.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to Jasmine Caldwell, news anchor reporter Casey e

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Speaker 1: in Channel six jasmine, what are the claims? Why did

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Speaker 1: Cecily Aguilar's lawyers argue to the judge that her statement

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00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: should be thrown out? Well, her lawyers argue to the

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Speaker 1: judge that her statement should be thrown out because apparently

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Speaker 1: Aguilar was not advice of her Miranda rights, which gave

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Speaker 1: her the right to I mean silent and as for attorney,

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Speaker 1: and they also said that you know, she was not

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Speaker 1: told anything that anything that she said would be used

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Speaker 1: against her in a court of law. Now the state says, well,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, wait a minute, you have to be

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Speaker 1: under arrest. You have to be detained before Miranda kicks

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Speaker 1: and Miranda rights. And what happened was that she was

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Speaker 1: speaking voluntarily. That's why she didn't get Miranda. Well, there's more,

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Speaker 1: there's more as to why we need this confession in evidence.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to John king Yonis twenty twenty allegedly

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Speaker 1: decide to use some type of tool, reportedly a machette

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Speaker 1: of swords to then dismember the body. Good investigators say

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Speaker 1: that Aguilar told them they attempted to burn the body

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Speaker 1: but that didn't work. Then they allegedly dig three separate

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Speaker 1: holes to bury her remains, According to investigators, After covering

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Speaker 1: up the remains, Robinson an Augular leave, but then three

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Speaker 1: days later, on April twenty six, they allegedly come back again,

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Speaker 1: bringing hairnets, gloves, and concrete that investigators say secs Lee

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Speaker 1: Augular got from someone on Facebook Messenger. She's in it

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Speaker 1: just as deeply as he is. She doesn't have to

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Speaker 1: go back over there. She didn't have to do that,

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00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: but she did. Will this thirty five million dollar lawsuit

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Speaker 1: against the army bring any kind of peace? Will it

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Speaker 1: teach all of our military branches any sort of lesson?

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Speaker 1: I can only hope. So is it worth the cost

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Speaker 1: of vanesse Again's life. Absolutely not. We wait as just

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Speaker 1: as sun falls. Nancy Grace crimed the story, signing off

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Speaker 1: good bye friend,