Speaker 1: Warning today's episode Canday's spoilers for Darrevil Born Again Season two,
Speaker 1: episode seven, and it's getting crazy folks. Hello, my name
Speaker 1: is Jason gets Ups and I'm Rosie Knight, and welcome
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Speaker 2: Maybe sometimes more, who knows. There's so many episodes you
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Speaker 2: you get three more, who knows. In today's episode, Oh guys, it's.
Speaker 3: Not sounding like a fun one.
Speaker 4: By the name Episode two O seven, The Hateful Darkness.
Speaker 1: I wonder what god dull.
Speaker 3: Things have been good recently? Nothing bad and devil I
Speaker 3: don't think so. I'm sure nothing bad's gonna be dealing.
Speaker 3: It's the Hateful Darkness. Guys.
Speaker 4: We're gonna be checking in on how New York's doing
Speaker 4: off the Vanessa's death and the protests against may Kingpin,
Speaker 4: and then of course we will be bringing in Aaron.
Speaker 3: For discussions to talk about what's going on in New York.
Speaker 4: As we head into the penultimate episode of Dirt Double
Speaker 4: Board Again.
Speaker 1: It is the next day, the morning after the violent
Speaker 1: protests at City Hall, dared Evil is listening to the
Speaker 1: news reports and Mayor Kingpin is getting ready for work.
Speaker 1: He's ready to get back into the office. Karen Paige,
Speaker 1: He's like, a fine, He's getting booked into the into
Speaker 1: the system. She's fingerprinted, she's they're photographing her. She puts
Speaker 1: on her jail scrubs, and she's going in thankfully, though,
Speaker 1: or question more, she's not being put in a gulag
Speaker 1: style jail in Red Hook, in a real jail.
Speaker 3: Question Mark like, is this it's real jail, it's actual.
Speaker 4: Lawful questions are not in the pirate jail, as far
Speaker 4: as we know that in the pirate I think it's
Speaker 4: better than pirate jail, probably slightly marginally.
Speaker 1: Betha Kingpin visits Karen in her cell.
Speaker 3: I thought, you go back to work.
Speaker 1: What is this?
Speaker 4: What do you do appropriate just hanging around at the jail,
Speaker 4: Like come on, sir.
Speaker 1: He harangues her for helping vigilantie Matt Murdoch, and Karen's like, well,
Speaker 1: I think you're scared. I think you're scared of.
Speaker 3: What's a crazy thing to say?
Speaker 1: He strangles her through his through the cell bars.
Speaker 3: I guess it's not bad than the Red Hook goolag.
Speaker 1: Actually is like, you have one phone call use it wisely?
Speaker 4: AKA cool, My boyfriend like, I need this weak to,
Speaker 4: I need this beak to dead evil I need now.
Speaker 1: Mister Charles, not eating because he's asleep, wakes up to
Speaker 1: find Jessica Jones at his bedside and she's like, listen,
Speaker 1: mister Charles, I'm not working for you anymore, confirming that
Speaker 1: indeed she was working for the Black Bag Avengers assembled
Speaker 1: by we assume Contessa Allegra Dufontaine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do we It was like Marvel suicide squad.
Speaker 1: She warns mister Charles to back off, don't send any
Speaker 1: more guys again, that's right. And then mister Charles is like,
Speaker 1: that's it, Okay, I won't do that. But by the way,
Speaker 1: I heard from a little Bernie that your powers don't
Speaker 1: work so good anymore, that they come in and out.
Speaker 1: And then he goes even further. He says, and by
Speaker 1: the way, ever, wonder where your husband, father of your
Speaker 1: child is.
Speaker 3: I know where he is.
Speaker 1: He's overseas doing black bag work for Luke.
Speaker 3: Okay, we were right though, Yeah.
Speaker 1: We were all right. Whatever this organization is and mister
Speaker 1: Charles says, I am not working for Fisk anymore, Like
Speaker 1: we're we're enemies now, and I think the governor's in
Speaker 1: a little bit of trouble. So that's the information you
Speaker 1: should know. JJ talks to Matt. Fisk is gonna kill
Speaker 1: the governor because the governor can provoke the Red Hook Charter,
Speaker 1: which we all knew about.
Speaker 4: Also, can I just say, like, this is so silly,
Speaker 4: because when you really think about this plan, like, is
Speaker 4: fits just gonna kill everyone who ever knew about the
Speaker 4: chaw like.
Speaker 3: And how it can be remote.
Speaker 4: So far, I mean, so far it's got quite good.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie. But it's very Pirates of the
Speaker 4: Caribbean plot line that I.
Speaker 1: Love, I know. So Matt is like, okay, Jessica, you
Speaker 1: need to meet my my pal Cherry, who basically does
Speaker 1: what you do, but with a worse heart, and he's
Speaker 1: a lot older and.
Speaker 3: He's not and that's superpowers.
Speaker 1: Yes. So Cherry is like, hey, I've got news. Karen
Speaker 1: is in jail. She's in the fifteenth Precinct. Don't go
Speaker 1: so down there, Matt. I know that's what you want
Speaker 1: to do, is just go run down there. Don't do it.
Speaker 1: I will handle it. That's what you have me for.
Speaker 1: I have all my contacts at the precinct still the
Speaker 1: aka the Good Apples, and Cherry then says, it's just
Speaker 1: detective Kim. Well, it's like four others. There's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's like three or four gen X detectives who are
Speaker 1: like the good guys.
Speaker 3: They just listening to led Zeppelin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the good guy detectives. Uh. Cherry tells Jessica Joes, Hey,
Speaker 1: city needs you, babe. I don't know if you've I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen the news, but I need
Speaker 1: to require please.
Speaker 4: He's like, move from upstate New York, Cello House, come back.
Speaker 4: You're like somebody who left your COVID. Come back the seeds,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: Come back down from Woodstock. Shit's crazy down here. We
Speaker 1: need you. Dared of all Meanwhile, is like, well, if
Speaker 1: Karen is at the fifteenth, the force is gonna go
Speaker 1: there and they're gonna like try and assassinate her.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, he's so over the top, Like no offense.
Speaker 4: But I love Cavin Page, I do, and I'm glad
Speaker 4: she's got more to do.
Speaker 3: But like, why does Matt think that is.
Speaker 4: Like gonna be the number one focus of the task force. Maybe,
Speaker 4: like what does she really do? I guess she just
Speaker 4: they should have.
Speaker 1: Just I will say I found this strange as well,
Speaker 1: just because like I think, if they were gonna kill her,
Speaker 1: they should have just killed her at the protest, and you.
Speaker 4: Know, like Wills Fitz could have just killed her right then.
Speaker 4: But this man instead is like you got one phone
Speaker 4: called police school, my mude or please it's like call
Speaker 4: him yourself. Man, just kill her, Like I mean, I
Speaker 4: don't want Karen to die, but this is a silly,
Speaker 4: a silly conflict that they've created.
Speaker 3: On this one.
Speaker 1: Matt goes to visit Bullseye in the punish her basement,
Speaker 1: and I guess has just alone, just been alone, handcuffed
Speaker 1: to the cot, starving and like pissing and shitting himself.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what's even doing the hours since.
Speaker 4: Maybe his like maybe his like training, his like secret
Speaker 4: service training means he can really hold it in.
Speaker 3: But also like insane that they just left him there.
Speaker 4: And also you're telling me that my guy couldn't have
Speaker 4: found like a tiny splinter and like spacked it into
Speaker 4: the fucking look and unchained himself here.
Speaker 3: I don't believe it.
Speaker 1: I think he was well, I think it's this is
Speaker 1: Dex on his best behavior.
Speaker 3: He's I was gonna say, he's waiting for them.
Speaker 1: He's trying to show like I'm a good guy now,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I really want to balance the scales.
Speaker 1: And Daredevil is like, okay, let's bounce the scales. But first, like,
Speaker 1: let's just get all our cards on the table. I
Speaker 1: want you to know, take confession. Of course he does.
Speaker 1: He's like, here's let me put all my cards on
Speaker 1: the table. As Matt Murdoch, I hate you because of
Speaker 1: like the eighty ninety people you killed, including of course
Speaker 1: my closest friend Foggy and which, by the way, Dex
Speaker 1: knows and everybody knows. But that's good that you need
Speaker 1: to say that. Okay sure, and he says like, Dex,
Speaker 1: if you really want to make amends, you've got to
Speaker 1: help me now, and you've got to do it without
Speaker 1: killing anybody, which is not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 4: Like Also, this is my thing about Matthew, right, is
Speaker 4: like you love to hang around with a serial killer.
Speaker 4: Stop trying to save them, Like you can't save them,
Speaker 4: just utilize them for what you need. You're worried that
Speaker 4: the task force is gonna go get your girlfriend. Okay,
Speaker 4: send this man who is extremely good at killing fascist,
Speaker 4: fucking cops, and send him to kill them so they
Speaker 4: don't do that to huh, Like, you don't need to.
Speaker 3: I know that, Matt. You know what, though, I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna lie. We love how he tries to save everyone's souls.
Speaker 3: That's like his whole thing. So I can't complain too much.
Speaker 3: But let my man free. Let Dex kill somebody. He's
Speaker 3: a good boy.
Speaker 1: I think that that will happen. Karen is languishing in
Speaker 1: jail Detective Brett Mahoney from season two of Deer All
Speaker 1: Netflix Unexpected shows up.
Speaker 2: All.
Speaker 1: I love how they're resurfacing the Netflix people.
Speaker 3: We need more detectives. There's only three.
Speaker 1: I mean, we need more. There's a nice little like
Speaker 1: reunion beat and she tells him, you know Fisk was
Speaker 1: down here strangling me. He's like, I know, there's nothing
Speaker 1: we could do about that. He's the fucking mayor with fucking.
Speaker 4: He's like, sorry, if the Max honestly, look, I'll be real, guys,
Speaker 4: I have had I There are politicians in Los Angeles
Speaker 4: and they will just let them go to a homeless
Speaker 4: person's tent and basically just steal all their shit for
Speaker 4: like a photo op.
Speaker 3: So maybe the MAC can choke somebody in a jail,
Speaker 3: Like honestly, I believe it.
Speaker 1: I think he's been getting away with work.
Speaker 4: I really like the The answer to it is like,
Speaker 4: we can't do anything about it, so we just gonna.
Speaker 3: Let you free.
Speaker 4: That's how I should be with every kind of corruption.
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, the corrupt system's harming you. I'm just
Speaker 4: gonna let you out of the back. That's a moral
Speaker 4: that's moral police.
Speaker 1: So he lets her out of her jail. So he
Speaker 1: produces the key and like pops up in the jail.
Speaker 4: No CCTV in this place, like Fiske strake not an issue,
Speaker 4: like this happened, not an issue.
Speaker 1: Well, if there's no CCTV in the cell, there's got
Speaker 1: to be in the hallway.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, like, this is bad.
Speaker 1: Literally what giving.
Speaker 4: A White House correspondence then a level of security.
Speaker 1: So he did, so they pop caring at it out
Speaker 1: of her cell. They walk her down the hallway and
Speaker 1: out the door of the back of the precinct where
Speaker 1: there is also no camera and Matt is just crouched
Speaker 1: man broad daylight. It's daytime. He's crouched against the wall
Speaker 1: and oh no, it's night time. Sorry, it's you know.
Speaker 1: Just walks her out. Matt is crouched against the wall,
Speaker 1: and Matt's there.
Speaker 4: They hug, guys. I gotta say this, this is like
Speaker 4: one oh one. If you're doing a crime hypothetically, like
Speaker 4: imagine hypothetically, imagine you were doing like a small crime,
Speaker 4: like you're just doing some small victimless crime, like you're
Speaker 4: shoplifting or something hypothetically, and you were going to meet
Speaker 4: up with someone that you had been shoplifting with, you
Speaker 4: would not do it outside the back of the crime
Speaker 4: the space, like meet further away, go to a coffee shop,
Speaker 4: like anywhere else. These people are so bad at this,
Speaker 4: but I still love them. It's very comic, Bookie. It's efficient.
Speaker 4: It's efficiency of storytelling. But there are a lot of
Speaker 4: moments in this where I was yelling at the TV
Speaker 4: in a way that everyone who knows me knows, Like
Speaker 4: if they come into my house, they knock on the door,
Speaker 4: they hear me yelling at the TV.
Speaker 3: They know I'm committed.
Speaker 4: They're not getting me off that show, like i'd be
Speaker 4: talking to those characters very silly.
Speaker 3: So yeah, but it's fun stuff.
Speaker 1: So Karen is like, I don't want you to break
Speaker 1: me out. I want to have my day in court.
Speaker 1: I want to face Fisk, I want to face down
Speaker 1: the Karen zone.
Speaker 3: I got broken out.
Speaker 1: And she says he's different now post Vanessa. She means,
Speaker 1: and I can tell because he was recently strangling me
Speaker 1: in the gym. We're just like, yeah, it's okay, and
Speaker 1: jast like.
Speaker 4: It's not anymore about like the pleasant play, the charismatic,
Speaker 4: smart villain who's always ten steps ahead, like this man
Speaker 4: came in and said, call your boyfriend, I'm gonna choke you.
Speaker 1: Like, what's I'm gonna choke you? Now?
Speaker 3: Lots of choking going on this season. It's a strangulation
Speaker 3: heavy season.
Speaker 1: Say, very very choked.
Speaker 4: I gotta say, actually, I was very happy as well.
Speaker 4: I know something, Me and Jason we got deep cut tastes.
Speaker 4: We're funny guys, we're weirdo as we know. That's why
Speaker 4: you guys like to listen to us. But I got
Speaker 4: to say I was happy with how much everyone else
Speaker 4: was as hilarious about the choking as we were about
Speaker 4: Heather's grim like everyone responded correctly to episode two o six,
Speaker 4: every other podcast, every other vibe, every response correct. This
Speaker 4: is a choke heavy show. Yeah, the chokey like Matilda.
Speaker 4: That's whath I'm gonna start calling it. They're gonna put
Speaker 4: you in the choky Karen Page.
Speaker 1: So Karen is like, listen, I want to feel court.
Speaker 1: Daredevil's like, oh, you know, Fisk knows he's losing the
Speaker 1: city and he's freaking out. He's going to try and
Speaker 1: destroy you in court. You gotta know that. But they
Speaker 1: talk about how the fact that all of this is
Speaker 1: televised and televised all across the city and surely like
Speaker 1: the country as well, that can be like the jury,
Speaker 1: like it's a tribunal system, but like they can they
Speaker 1: can play to the court of public opinion. And then
Speaker 1: Matt drops the hint like maybe al show so okay,
Speaker 1: oh d a Hackman updates Fisk on the Karen Page
Speaker 1: trial and Fisc is like, I want you to fucking
Speaker 1: go crazy on here, like I want you to go
Speaker 1: balls to the wall the AG and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: I gotta be careful because the age the State Ag
Speaker 1: is going to be involved, and so we got to
Speaker 1: kind of watch our p's and q's because the governor
Speaker 1: is a little tight on us and the Fisk doesn't
Speaker 1: care about that. Then Heather comes in and Hawkman is like,
Speaker 1: I need you, Heather, I need you on this case.
Speaker 1: And Fisk tells Heather after Hawkman leaves that he's like,
Speaker 1: I hate Hawkman. He makes my skin crawl, and Heather
Speaker 1: is like, I also hate Lloyd.
Speaker 3: Okay, bomb bum bum.
Speaker 4: Let me just say, does this feel to you like
Speaker 4: Wilson is like setting her up here to potentially kill Hawkman?
Speaker 4: Like I feel like he's basically winking at her and going, yeah,
Speaker 4: he fucking scheves me out too, because he is he
Speaker 4: is creepy. He's he basically as soon as he realized
Speaker 4: that Heather, for whatever reason, would change the scores on
Speaker 4: the test to prove that the Swordsman was secretly crazy,
Speaker 4: he basically immediately then went to, oh, we should go
Speaker 4: to dinner, like he thought that he would be able
Speaker 4: to control her. He's a scheme, He's a creep and
Speaker 4: I kind of love that. Fisk here was almost like, okay,
Speaker 4: could this be another killer? Like could she be another
Speaker 4: buck for me?
Speaker 3: Like it feels like he knows.
Speaker 1: My sense is that yes, and also that I think
Speaker 1: if Hawkman fails, he just wants him gone. If he
Speaker 1: can't like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, if he can't do this, yeah, like
Speaker 4: get him out of there. So he's thought and already
Speaker 4: spread in those seeds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly right, Heather says, you know, I just
Speaker 1: came to check on you to see how you're doing.
Speaker 1: To Fisk, you know, because of the very famous thing
Speaker 1: where Vanessa was killed by a shard of your memorial
Speaker 1: bust at the fight that you were having, the scrapping
Speaker 1: in the kitchen fight, you remember, And Fisk is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Fisk is like, of course he's struggling.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: He doesn't mention that he recently strangled Karen Page in jail,
Speaker 1: and he tells her that, you know, I never expected
Speaker 1: to fall I never expected to fall in love or
Speaker 1: be left alone with that love. He tells her, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's such a good line.
Speaker 3: And I love the wrong I love when they write
Speaker 3: him a bang off, I know.
Speaker 1: And then he's like, by the way, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: He pops out the other earring of Vanessa's that from
Speaker 1: the set that Heather purloined from the bedroom. When she
Speaker 1: in the scene where she was later strangling Buck, he's like,
Speaker 1: I know you took it. But he doesn't mention choking Buck,
Speaker 1: but he's like, I know you took it, and he
Speaker 1: like basically is like here and you can.
Speaker 3: Have the other one. Crazy.
Speaker 1: I think he's grooming her to be his strangler.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say his little stranger strangle with maybe
Speaker 4: a little bit like a strangler with benefits, because I
Speaker 4: feel like.
Speaker 3: The way he's to learn about there's the way he's
Speaker 3: talking about love.
Speaker 4: I feel like he's kind of like, you know, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna be left all alone, but you can have this,
Speaker 4: uh this earring.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody feels like they're gonna fuck anyway.
Speaker 4: That's a weird sexual like chemistry and electricity that Evil had,
Speaker 4: that has that is just impacting everyone on the show
Speaker 4: in a really weird way.
Speaker 1: Let's go to a break and we'll be right back
Speaker 1: and talk about the rest of this episode.
Speaker 3: And we're back.
Speaker 1: Dan and Biebe are arguing.
Speaker 3: He knows that.
Speaker 1: He's basically like, let's just have it out, Like you've
Speaker 1: been taking information that you get from me, and you've
Speaker 1: been putting it out there and you are the BB report,
Speaker 1: you were the mask Fisk and and you're putting all
Speaker 1: of us in a really bad spot. You're putting us
Speaker 1: in danger. And he's like, you don't understand. Buck is
Speaker 1: very dangerous and I can't protect you from him, And
Speaker 1: then Bbe complains this is I love BB, but this
Speaker 1: is the craziest. This conversation is so out of touched.
Speaker 1: Dan is like trying to basically say, like, your life
Speaker 1: is in danger. I watched Buck cut up a body.
Speaker 1: And BB's like, but you don't understand. I started this
Speaker 1: indie media company that I then sold to Fisk, and
Speaker 1: Fisk has ruined it. I'm like, babe, welcome to the industry.
Speaker 3: Also, yeah, all of all, have you ever have you
Speaker 3: ever done a Google? Why do you sell it? Have
Speaker 3: you ever heard of private equity?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Why did you sell it?
Speaker 4: Tim?
Speaker 3: Why did you take the money? Don't do that? That's
Speaker 3: an BB. Also, wait, I gotta know how much did
Speaker 3: you sell it to him before? Because you want to
Speaker 3: know too.
Speaker 4: By Dan's busted ass apartment, I would have begat at
Speaker 4: least six seven figures seven minimum from Medphisk Like he's
Speaker 4: got a pirate chart that he has treasure, he has
Speaker 4: a free home. I feel like she did a bad
Speaker 4: job here. Her and Dan should have planned on this more.
Speaker 4: I do love again.
Speaker 3: I know, and we're not the only people who've been
Speaker 3: saying this about Michael.
Speaker 4: Gandelfini, but you get this, yeah, desperation and fear and
Speaker 4: realness in his performance in this scene that I think
Speaker 4: just cements him as someone who outside of the MCU
Speaker 4: is going to continue to have like an incredible career,
Speaker 4: Like this man has the fucking juice. Like this scene
Speaker 4: ends up feeling aside from BB being a dumb cough
Speaker 4: but you know what, that's how it is in the
Speaker 4: Sopranos too. You really could believe this is like a
Speaker 4: serious crime mob moment, like he fucking sells that shit
Speaker 4: and he's like, I'm gonna do it, man, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: do the right thing.
Speaker 3: But you can see this fear in his head and
Speaker 3: uh oh, it's so good.
Speaker 1: So after this BB is like, well, you should also
Speaker 1: know that mey or Fisk killed my uncle. You figurd
Speaker 1: you think he didn't know that, and you know, you're
Speaker 1: just ignoring the fact that he killed my uncle. And
Speaker 1: Dan is like, okay, you got me. I am doing that.
Speaker 1: I am ignoring the fact that he did that. I
Speaker 1: didn't know, but listen, and then he like tells her everything.
Speaker 1: He's basically like, Buck is waiting for me to hand
Speaker 1: you over, and if you don't like, if I don't
Speaker 1: do that, my family and I are dead, Like he's
Speaker 1: gonna legitimately like murder us.
Speaker 4: And BB is like, we should run your mom's vote
Speaker 4: for Fisk, so who has honestly I know as well,
Speaker 4: though no this I like the way that BB's like,
Speaker 4: we should run and I'm like, okay, so what can
Speaker 4: you use some of that fucking five hundred million dollars
Speaker 4: I hope you got for selling your independent digital media
Speaker 4: company to a billion As I know, I think it
Speaker 4: seems like from the way she's acting that she sold
Speaker 4: it for like fifty k or something.
Speaker 3: I'm like, bab you.
Speaker 1: Come on anyway. Dan is like, I have a safe spot,
Speaker 1: like I have a safe house a finance buddy, and
Speaker 1: I will contact him and we can lay up there.
Speaker 1: And then he texts Buck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, I can't believe this.
Speaker 1: Buck is with Buck is with Mayor Fisk. And He's like, hey,
Speaker 1: by the way, Dan's a good kid. I think we
Speaker 1: can trust him because he's good. He's handing his baby.
Speaker 1: That's he doesn't say that, but he's basically.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like it's happening.
Speaker 1: When it happen, Fisk is like, yeah, I love that kid.
Speaker 1: He's great. And we learn now that Fisk's master plan
Speaker 1: is to have Daredevil show up at the current Page
Speaker 1: trial so that he can like arrest him and for
Speaker 1: the cameras and then take Karen Page down at the
Speaker 1: same time. It's the whole or a good plan.
Speaker 3: I think either way.
Speaker 4: I think having all the cameras there is going to
Speaker 4: obviously backfire depending on how this goes, because you can
Speaker 4: then change the perception of the public. But I like
Speaker 4: how realistic it feels that somebody would think that having
Speaker 4: a televised court trial in their favor as a criminal
Speaker 4: man would actually work in their favor. And we've seen
Speaker 4: that sometimes that televised trials do work in the man's favor.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I do.
Speaker 4: I think it's it's like very comic Bookie and Dark
Speaker 4: Knight ratuns and kind of silly and a little bit dated,
Speaker 4: but I actually think it's kind of again kind of
Speaker 4: interesting relativity to to some stuff we've got going on now.
Speaker 4: But I also I also think it's gonna fuck king Pinova.
Speaker 4: I just don't think there's any way that he can
Speaker 4: keep up the the mosque the whole way through the
Speaker 4: trial with everything.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's like losing.
Speaker 1: He's already like he's just losing it because of Vanessa
Speaker 1: and everything. He's he's just out of control. Anyway, trial
Speaker 1: begins Hawkman. It's like Hawkman versus McDuffie in the opening rounds.
Speaker 1: McDuffie calls on her. It's like, well, let's call now
Speaker 1: my co counsul to court and blah blah blah. It's
Speaker 1: Matt Murdoch. Matt Murdoch walks into court. It is blind
Speaker 1: man Cain and sunglasses the whole thing. Fisk is watching
Speaker 1: on TV, like, oh now this is getting interesting. What
Speaker 1: do we call the witnesses? First up is Powell, Then
Speaker 1: it is Cold North. Officer called North, the guy with
Speaker 1: the scarred face. McDuffie manages to get him to admit
Speaker 1: that they did raid Math's apartment, which we saw earlier
Speaker 1: in the season. The governor is of course also watching
Speaker 1: on TV. She calls the state attorney general and is
Speaker 1: like listen. That's it. Fisk is out of control. This
Speaker 1: shit has gone gone too far. I want to suspend
Speaker 1: the free port and I want to move against Fisk
Speaker 1: right now, like immediately, I got to pull the port
Speaker 1: all that.
Speaker 3: She also knows, like in her mind that the optics.
Speaker 4: It's a good time to do it because it's just
Speaker 4: come out that he's used he's attacking lawyers with the
Speaker 4: task force, but like also on a logical level, not that.
Speaker 3: The governor has ever been very good at that.
Speaker 4: Babe, don't do it. He's just lost his wife. He's crazy.
Speaker 4: This is not a weak Fisk. This is a crazy Fisk.
Speaker 4: Two different things.
Speaker 3: Don't do it.
Speaker 1: Dan meanwhile, is in the car with BB waiting for Buck.
Speaker 1: They're gonna like head to the quote unquote safe house.
Speaker 1: But he's like he's like leaving buck on.
Speaker 3: He's just like even texting him like where are you guys?
Speaker 1: Where are you guys? Are you coming? He then admits
Speaker 1: to BB He's like, listen, I helped chop up a body.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm fucked at this boy, Like I cut
Speaker 1: up a body. The first mate Christoff, remember him from
Speaker 1: the Northern Star. I cut him up or buried him
Speaker 1: or whatever, and this is like how dangerous this really is.
Speaker 1: He then takes Bby to this quote unquote safe house
Speaker 1: where she's definitely gonna be murdered.
Speaker 4: But I like the basement of a brownstone, like a
Speaker 4: nice brownstone, but it's like one of those little basement
Speaker 4: apartments that sometimes get flooded.
Speaker 1: So he's like, get out of here, like you should
Speaker 1: just actually fuck it, like go yeah, yo, go which
Speaker 1: crazy but good boy.
Speaker 3: Dad, Dan redemptionhok. I saw it coming. I knew it
Speaker 3: was gonna happen. I'm proud of you. You did the
Speaker 3: right thing, even though Bbe's kind of dumb.
Speaker 1: Quarter A journs the Task Force guys are waiting for Matt,
Speaker 1: and this is the moment that you feel like it's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Right. Meanwhile, Fisk sits and just watches from
Speaker 1: Vanessa's bed, and he's like being very very sad. Cherry's
Speaker 1: good cops, including Angie Kim, form a gen X cop
Speaker 1: Cordon to get McDuffie and Matt out of the building
Speaker 1: to their cars, but.
Speaker 3: The task Force fider Man just get the people of
Speaker 3: New York can do it. They like Matt Muddock but.
Speaker 1: The task Force really want to kill Matt right now,
Speaker 1: so they do come and do a fucking drive by
Speaker 1: in the in the garage, rat Erry and Kim get
Speaker 1: McDuffie out of there, and Matt gets shot a little
Speaker 1: bit and have to like limp off into the darkness. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: someone sneaks into the Governor's office and starts to assassinate her,
Speaker 1: but she's saved by debts.
Speaker 3: You can be a murderer for for good.
Speaker 4: You can murder an assassin, you can be an assassin assassin.
Speaker 3: You know that's the studies assassins. He knows.
Speaker 1: Dan goes up to the murder apartment and Buck is
Speaker 1: then and Buck is like, where the fuck's baby? What's
Speaker 1: going on? And now you know it's gonna be a problem.
Speaker 1: Buck is like, well, you know I have to kill her,
Speaker 1: right Like, at some point I do have to kill her.
Speaker 1: And Dan is like, you know what, fuck you for
Speaker 1: getting me into this, and Buck begins to choke Dan,
Speaker 1: and it's curtains for Dan. Heather interviews Karen for the
Speaker 1: DA Karen Page tries to opt out of this. No chance.
Speaker 1: Karen Page knows the true false test very well, so
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, you're gonna use the fucking Meyer Meyer
Speaker 1: Briggs number seven test on me. Yeah. By the way,
Speaker 1: those are not accurate at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I can plead that shit, I've seen batty
Speaker 4: fat truthful question.
Speaker 1: About Matt, but it's like also about this. Karen Page
Speaker 1: goes full therapy session. She's like, she talks about Matt
Speaker 1: and what it's like being in love with him, but
Speaker 1: you know, not also like not feeling like you ever
Speaker 1: get to the center of who he is as a person.
Speaker 1: And then she goes to Heather like, I'm sure you understand, dude.
Speaker 4: Karen is like really spicy and this I'm like, babe,
Speaker 4: ca shit, this oneman will just lie and put you
Speaker 4: in jail, like she will fifty to fifty for no reason.
Speaker 1: Heather then hits Karen Page with like, oh, let's talk
Speaker 1: about you killing your brother, which whoa? She goes, did
Speaker 1: Kevin molest you?
Speaker 3: Crazy?
Speaker 1: Going in fucking really hard, asking about her various other
Speaker 1: traumatic relationships you know what about like do you love
Speaker 1: Frank Castle? What's what's going on between you and Frank Castle?
Speaker 3: That one did get definitely that.
Speaker 1: Really gets her hot, And Karen's like, well, I refuse
Speaker 1: to answer any of these questions and then Heather starts
Speaker 1: slapping Caroen.
Speaker 3: Around every time with this fucking crazy bitch.
Speaker 1: Back in the murder apartment, Buck is torturing Dan to
Speaker 1: get Beebe's location in the show of it, which they
Speaker 1: again they probably could find her, but they just want
Speaker 1: Dan to like be part of it.
Speaker 3: Oh, I know.
Speaker 4: And it's that's the saddest thing, is like, yeah, you
Speaker 4: can literally see they do such a good job. Pair
Speaker 4: of how many moments we get with Buck where he
Speaker 4: like pauses too long, he almost doesn't want to do it,
Speaker 4: and he's just praying that that is going to turn around.
Speaker 1: Buck. So Buck is torturing him, and man is at
Speaker 1: church asking for Jesus Christ to come to him.
Speaker 3: In his hours fucking math. It's such a nut.
Speaker 1: Is like after sending Bullseye to go kill someone. Fucking now,
Speaker 1: this is what makes dear Devil tick. Anyway, at the
Speaker 1: end of it, Buck finally does murder Dan. It's very sad,
Speaker 1: we knew that would happen. Let's go to break and
Speaker 1: we come back. Aaron will be with us to discuss
Speaker 1: things going on and crazy New York City Hell's kitchen,
Speaker 1: it's getting crazy, crazy baby yeah, and we're back, Aaron,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the program. Thank you, guys.
Speaker 5: What an episode, What an end Dan Rady done in
Speaker 5: the MVP jacket there. Unfortunately it was right before his demise.
Speaker 4: You know, I have to say that we were all
Speaker 4: right on the dead Pool. We would have won that one.
Speaker 4: We would have won some money if that were a
Speaker 4: real Deadpool.
Speaker 3: Guys, we could sense it. We could sense he was going,
Speaker 3: he was going.
Speaker 1: Your thoughts on this episode overall, and then let's go
Speaker 1: into questions that we might have.
Speaker 5: One of the notes I wrote down, this is not
Speaker 5: my favorite episode of Marvel TV. It's not my favorite
Speaker 5: thing they've done in the MCU TV wise, but I
Speaker 5: think a lot of times the MCU shows have consistently
Speaker 5: lost theme in the second half, and so far this
Speaker 5: has built up the momentum in a really true, powerful
Speaker 5: way that I appreciate and enjoy.
Speaker 1: And I've tasted so much bad at season one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think like since that Dex episode with the
Speaker 5: lobster claw in the diner, and the things have just
Speaker 5: have just kept pushing in a in a really good way.
Speaker 5: And they you know, as much as we were sad
Speaker 5: that Jess wasn't in the earlier episodes. Her introduction injected
Speaker 5: some more energy into things. We see her at the
Speaker 5: end here, you know, walking past all the blood to
Speaker 5: rescue Matthew. I think that the show has done a
Speaker 5: good job of like the second half has not been.
Speaker 3: Weak, which is not fallen off.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, so that's a good sign, even if it's
Speaker 5: not like my standout, standout episode of any Daredevil production.
Speaker 1: Right, it feels like a connector episode, yes to very much,
Speaker 1: the bigger things that are about to happen.
Speaker 3: I also, yeah, it's nicely.
Speaker 4: It sets up nicely what I think everyone has kind
Speaker 4: of been waiting for, which is the idea of Dead
Speaker 4: Evil as a legal show. We know that, and the
Speaker 4: promise of this Born Again, but obviously that change with
Speaker 4: the new crew and the new vision for the show
Speaker 4: and everything.
Speaker 3: So I kind of love that we get half of
Speaker 3: that here, And it really feels.
Speaker 4: Like, obviously the finale is going to be very heavily
Speaker 4: courtroom focused with Matt and mcduffy.
Speaker 3: We're going to get to see a little bit more
Speaker 3: of that legality.
Speaker 4: But I also am kind of enjoying the juxtaposition of
Speaker 4: that with the fact that like below Ground, like Fisks
Speaker 4: team's just insane. They're choking out witnesses, they're slapping witnesses
Speaker 4: like but in the forefront we're getting this kind of
Speaker 4: legalese type show.
Speaker 3: Aaron, what was some big like standout moments and takeaways?
Speaker 1: I mean you just said it. Matt back in the courtroom.
Speaker 1: They had to do it.
Speaker 5: I'm glad they did because that is where Charlie is
Speaker 5: like almost comfortable, like to a fault. He's so good
Speaker 5: in those court scenes. I love watching that, and I'm
Speaker 5: pretty sure originally there was all this talk about season
Speaker 5: one was going to.
Speaker 1: Be a lot more courtroom.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it gonna be mostly court room.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think at the time I probably would
Speaker 5: not have wanted that. But now after being denied it
Speaker 5: for most of the season and getting it here, yeah,
Speaker 5: question Mark give me. I mean, Matt in the courtroom
Speaker 5: is so good and that was definitely, uh, this episode's
Speaker 5: highlight for me was getting him back there.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. You you talked a little bit.
Speaker 4: You know, we often catch up on Crazy headther How
Speaker 4: are you feeling about interactions with Fisk Ruby Earrings right now?
Speaker 5: Like she's too off the deep end at this point.
Speaker 5: I think, like she's so messy, like, just like, can
Speaker 5: what's stealing one ear ring? Do both of them or
Speaker 5: neither of them?
Speaker 1: Well, this is what I've been trying to like understand
Speaker 1: the significance of the earring. I guess, on one hand,
Speaker 1: there is like it is a sign of someone you know, breaking,
Speaker 1: having a mental break in the midst of a mental
Speaker 1: health crisis, that they would then engage in these kind
Speaker 1: of risky activities like stealing from mayor Fisk or strangling
Speaker 1: like a higher assassin. And I get that part of it,
Speaker 1: but also it feels like it's meant to signify something
Speaker 1: else and I'm not sure where it's going.
Speaker 3: I know, I'm like, is this gonna be? Is she
Speaker 3: gonna be wearing the meuse mosque with the ruby areas?
Speaker 3: Like that's gonna be? That would actually be so over
Speaker 3: at the top. I would love that. But yes, she's crazy.
Speaker 5: There's something in there about maybe like her wanting to
Speaker 5: take on some new identity and leave something behind, and
Speaker 5: she's doing that by taking one of the two earrings
Speaker 5: and not both of them, but then Fisk immediately gives
Speaker 5: her the other one. So it's like if that was
Speaker 5: the moment that they're trying to convey, or if that's
Speaker 5: the image of her like leaving behind this classy, sophisticated
Speaker 5: woman to become something a little more unhinged, like criminal
Speaker 5: or yeah, but then Fisk like willingly gives her the
Speaker 5: other one and there's no repercussions whatsoever.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, okay.
Speaker 4: So I do think though, as you were talking about this,
Speaker 4: I wonder if it's actually more about the Fisk element,
Speaker 4: where it's like, yes, this is like leverage and cementing,
Speaker 4: like the fact that your Fisk's like you're mine now,
Speaker 4: like you're my toy, you're my assassin, you're my psychiatrist.
Speaker 5: We already knew that Dan hold the chop of a body,
Speaker 5: but you can steal it earrings.
Speaker 3: I think it's less about like because she's already doing
Speaker 3: some crazy shit.
Speaker 4: Yes, less you real, But I think it's more like
Speaker 4: he's like, oh, okay, so you're dumb enough that you
Speaker 4: would steal from me.
Speaker 3: Well I know that, and here, please take this earring
Speaker 3: and wear them forever as a reminder that you tried
Speaker 3: to get one over on Wilson Fisk and it ain't
Speaker 3: gonna happen. But I'm a generous guy. I'm a generous boss.
Speaker 3: I'll give you the other earring. Just ask me next time,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: I think he's trying to I think he sees her
Speaker 4: as a potential his little fucked up crew. But I'm
Speaker 4: very interested in, like what that crew looks like without Dan,
Speaker 4: because really it's just Fisk and Buck, you know.
Speaker 1: And I wonder, like how it's gonna listen at the
Speaker 1: end of this season, either Matt or Wilson Fisk have
Speaker 1: to leave the city.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or be in jail like one of the other.
Speaker 1: Or so what is going to happen post Wilson Fisk
Speaker 1: to these figures around him?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: Like Buck, I could see maybe Buck being like, hey,
Speaker 1: mister Charles, like, I'm looking for other employment opportunities. I
Speaker 1: know you have openings because I killed your two guys
Speaker 1: in the week. I know you have openings. I could
Speaker 1: see BB, who technically again is on the Fisk payroll.
Speaker 1: I could see bbe like continuing in a role under
Speaker 1: a new may or whoever that is, yes, And the
Speaker 1: question is like, what what is Heather's job now? Because
Speaker 1: Heather is like personally employed by mayor Fish because something
Speaker 1: an evil psychiatrist would she still work for the Attorney General,
Speaker 1: you know, would she still be a consultant or would
Speaker 1: she have to go back to private practice where she's
Speaker 1: like a true psychopath. So it's unknown, like what happens.
Speaker 1: That's the thing that I'm also trying to figure out,
Speaker 1: is like what the fuck's hew they're gonna do?
Speaker 4: Pr and Bach Maybe become like a vigilante killing team
Speaker 4: or something. You know, they killing the they're killing the people.
Speaker 4: They kill a vigilante, then they fuck or something. It
Speaker 4: seems like that would be their king. You know. Hell,
Speaker 4: little body count doubling on both sides, Like it will
Speaker 4: be interesting body count. But yeah, you know, I think
Speaker 4: I do think that you actually hilariously, Jason raised the
Speaker 4: biggest question about whether or not like season three and
Speaker 4: what it would look like, because we know that they're
Speaker 4: filming it right now. There's been leaks. Don't look at
Speaker 4: them if you don't want spoilless it, don't look at
Speaker 4: them because you will see things. You will see things
Speaker 4: like not too crazy, but character stuff definitely. So I
Speaker 4: would say, like, the most interesting thing to me is
Speaker 4: sort of, what does season three of this show look like?
Speaker 4: If it's not Wilson and Matt in Hell's kitchen fighting
Speaker 4: each other because that's what has always been at the core.
Speaker 4: So I'm very interested to see where the end of
Speaker 4: this show leaves off with the finale next week, and
Speaker 4: then where how it sets up season three.
Speaker 1: Here's my prediction. I do think I'm still gonna do
Speaker 1: the Matt. I think they have to do the thing
Speaker 1: where everybody knows Matt steeredevil okay, and then.
Speaker 3: He's about to be in a courtroom of cameras, so
Speaker 3: that would be very easy to set up.
Speaker 1: And then somehow for season three the bit has to
Speaker 1: be oh, that was just for whatever, like that really
Speaker 1: can't thing. Yeah, any hoops among us could truly which
Speaker 1: is which is a comics thing? Where then iron Fist
Speaker 1: took the dry level mantle and ran around while Matt
Speaker 1: Murdoch was like, hey, look it's not me. Look there's
Speaker 1: another guy. It looked he's right there. I don't know
Speaker 1: who it is, so I think that they I think
Speaker 1: that there has to be something like that for the
Speaker 1: next season for Matt.
Speaker 4: Also very fun way to bring back Danny Brand in
Speaker 4: a different kind of way, to have him basically take
Speaker 4: on that mantle and get to maybe do some cool
Speaker 4: stunts and kind of really like come back from that,
Speaker 4: you know, legendarily notoriously kind of poorly received performance, which
Speaker 4: is kind of funny because you know, back then Marvel
Speaker 4: didn't really have any poorly perceived performance, but now we
Speaker 4: have many, you know, like there's so much of it
Speaker 4: that that's kind of changed.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm very excited.
Speaker 4: I thought this was a banger episode Aaron Power power
Speaker 4: scaling wise, how do you feel like we got Karen Page?
Speaker 3: She ain't got no powers. She's getting caught all the time,
Speaker 3: she's got bad wigs.
Speaker 4: Right, you got white tig Guys, where's that tiny where's
Speaker 4: that tiny psychopath?
Speaker 3: Gone? She was very useful get her back? Okay?
Speaker 4: But like swordsman swordsman right, but like can Matt and
Speaker 4: power flickering Jessica who seemingly goes from like superpowered can
Speaker 4: throw a guy off a roof to normal woman's strength,
Speaker 4: not even strong Jessica at the gym strength. Can they
Speaker 4: really take on Kingpin and the a v TF? Or
Speaker 4: is it gonna be a legal victory?
Speaker 1: Can it not be?
Speaker 4: I don't know if it can be a power victory
Speaker 4: because they don't have the team or the powers.
Speaker 5: I mean, this is one of the things that I
Speaker 5: was thinking about, especially because Bullseye in this episode has
Speaker 5: a very nice sendoff.
Speaker 1: If that is the end.
Speaker 5: Of Women, that works really well. He he does his
Speaker 5: one good deed, He saves a life. He he doesn't
Speaker 5: even kill the assassin, he just like maims him and
Speaker 5: then he walks off as the cops arrive. That would
Speaker 5: be exactly perfect send off for that character. He's still alive, he.
Speaker 3: Can be very special presentation.
Speaker 5: I'm going to assume he's out. And if that's the case,
Speaker 5: then you really have Cherry and his band of you know,
Speaker 5: retirees who are fighting with the AARP cards and Jessica,
Speaker 5: like you said, who's sometimes powerful sometimes not, and Matt
Speaker 5: who's injured like this, this does open up that window.
Speaker 5: You know we've been talking about Luke.
Speaker 1: Are we wrong?
Speaker 5: Is there someone else who's going to show up and
Speaker 5: take on the costume for Matt at this point because
Speaker 5: he's an.
Speaker 4: Interesting well I will say, you know, they did say
Speaker 4: Elektra was supposed to come back, right, and then there
Speaker 4: was the is she cast?
Speaker 3: Is she not cast?
Speaker 4: But then her and the guy who plays Danny Rand
Speaker 4: they were both posting in the gym on the same day.
Speaker 4: In the comics, recently very popular arc The Legend chips
Speaker 4: At ask you who can go from being like the funniest,
Speaker 4: silliest writer to putting together these incredible story arcs. He
Speaker 4: did a Dead Evil run where Elektra was Dead Evil
Speaker 4: and it was super popular. It was really cool, and
Speaker 4: I do wonder and then there were times when they
Speaker 4: were both Dead Evel together. I wonder if there's at
Speaker 4: least one scene like that in C three, you know,
Speaker 4: kind of the idea of the Mantle. It could even
Speaker 4: become I guess, I don't know if they would do this.
Speaker 4: This is a little bit twenty sixteen CWU vibes and
Speaker 4: also very like it's very comic book coded, but more
Speaker 4: DC coded. They could also do something like Deceeeded with
Speaker 4: the Robins, where it's.
Speaker 1: Like multiple people are dead devil.
Speaker 4: We saw that with the Protest and then it could
Speaker 4: be interesting if we kind of get their Devils of.
Speaker 3: Hell's Kitchen and we have women doing it, and we have.
Speaker 4: White Tiger doing a version of it, and we have
Speaker 4: Matt and we have Danny. So I think there's ways
Speaker 4: to spread it out. But at the heart of why
Speaker 4: people love this show. It has always been that Wilson
Speaker 4: and Versus relationship. So I really feel like they've got
Speaker 4: to come out swinging with Spider Man with this Punisher
Speaker 4: special to set up what New York looks like after
Speaker 4: all of this and where we find them in season three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, let's go to the Deadpool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's not many people are and take us through
Speaker 5: the check in. All right, So last week, Jason, you
Speaker 5: had Kingpin, Dan and Powell, Rosie, you had Governor McCaffrey,
Speaker 5: Mister Charles, and Dan, and I had decks to Caffrey
Speaker 5: and Dan. So okay, we we all were right with Dan.
Speaker 5: I think at some point we've all mentioned McCaffrey.
Speaker 3: We have, she's been saying so good for her, so.
Speaker 1: We we missed on that one.
Speaker 5: I assume she's not coming back, like it would be
Speaker 5: a weird I think twists like to have her get
Speaker 5: taken in the next episode.
Speaker 4: I think they might do something where like we see
Speaker 4: her on the TV talking about rescinding the charter or something,
Speaker 4: you know. But yeah, she's I don't think she's gonna
Speaker 4: die at this point because that was such a good
Speaker 4: moment for Deck so.
Speaker 5: I mean, like, do we just want to pick one
Speaker 5: more person? We've had a lot of on right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't think we need three more.
Speaker 1: That would be unrealistic.
Speaker 4: Who's gonna die in the finale? Is the question, like
Speaker 4: if you're picking one character most? I think Dan was
Speaker 4: our big emotional death. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: So I think.
Speaker 4: I don't know if anyone is gonna die in the
Speaker 4: finale because I feel like this is gonna be more
Speaker 4: focused on that kind of from battle. Maybe it's gonna
Speaker 4: be instead that people are revealed to have been like killed,
Speaker 4: you know, So it's more like the past people that
Speaker 4: they've killed. We're gonna be like, oh shit, they killed
Speaker 4: this guy, they imprisoned the auntie, you know, like more
Speaker 4: focusing on what's already been done.
Speaker 3: Than than necessarily a big, a big kill.
Speaker 1: I remain hopeful that that it will be Powell, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I mean hopeful. I just think like we're at a
Speaker 1: place with Powell where either he needs to ascend the
Speaker 1: villain ladder and become like a lot become like the
Speaker 1: chief of police, become like a lot worse, or he
Speaker 1: needs to like die because we're like in this middle
Speaker 1: ground where he's fucking terrible and we know the Kingpin
Speaker 1: is like teetering and he and in a post king
Speaker 1: Pin world, like this guy's got to face a million charges,
Speaker 1: So either like kill him now or make him a
Speaker 1: like a big bed level two for Daredevil.
Speaker 4: I was gonna Seeason three narratively. I do I like
Speaker 4: your idea because I would also just like to see
Speaker 4: him get killed. But I also do wonder if Matt's
Speaker 4: in the courtroom right and he's being Matt, it would
Speaker 4: be interesting to maybe see the AVT turn on him,
Speaker 4: like the anti vigils Lanti task force, like he goes
Speaker 4: too far. But my gut says, when Powell gets killed,
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be Frank who does it. I
Speaker 4: just feel like he's the ultimate representation of that fake punish,
Speaker 4: a kind of mentality that Frank feels like has been
Speaker 4: like corrupted. Or it's gonna be Matt because that's his
Speaker 4: anti thesis in this moment, more so than even Wilson,
Speaker 4: because they have similarities, they have respect, Like, I don't
Speaker 4: know who would do it.
Speaker 3: I would love to see it.
Speaker 4: I could imagine a world where Karen does it, like
Speaker 4: at the end of the finale, just you know, a
Speaker 4: kind of like the courtroom gets settled, but she shoots
Speaker 4: him anyway, you know that kind of shit. Though, that
Speaker 4: would have made more sense with Dex. I think I
Speaker 4: guess somebody, a loved one could come in and kill
Speaker 4: one of the Vigilante task Force. Yeah, that is a
Speaker 4: very courtroom trope in movies in TV. Yeah, in sview,
Speaker 4: the kind of outside final moment that could be interesting.
Speaker 4: That could also be how we end with a cliffhanger
Speaker 4: on Wilson, if he walks out of the courtroom and
Speaker 4: somebody else tries to take him down. You know me,
Speaker 4: I'd be praying for a Laqua Cox. But I don't
Speaker 4: know if we're ever gonna get to see Echo again.
Speaker 4: But I think this is a harder deadpool, Aaron. If
Speaker 4: you're picking one person, who do you think is gonna be?
Speaker 5: I could definitely see Powell, maybe not dying, but what
Speaker 5: if he has some mysterious thing happened to him and
Speaker 5: he is brought back later as I'm not gonna say
Speaker 5: tombstone or someone, but he's brought back as like he's
Speaker 5: adopts the moniker of some MCU villain.
Speaker 3: I do feel like a high chance.
Speaker 4: I like that they already did Jigsaw, so probably not,
Speaker 4: though they do like to reimagine characters.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think you're right. I think some kind
Speaker 5: of shame. He can't be like Crossbones or someone. I mean,
Speaker 5: I think they'll.
Speaker 4: They'll find, you know, like they did with mister Charles.
Speaker 4: They'll find like a tiny character. Also, guys, I have
Speaker 4: to tell you something terrifying about mister Charles, right, So
Speaker 4: we talked about his like his introduction into the show
Speaker 4: and how he'd only been in one comic. But the
Speaker 4: comic was specifically a comic that they made to send
Speaker 4: to military active military, so it was.
Speaker 3: The American Armed Forces comic.
Speaker 4: So the guy that they have in this is like
Speaker 4: the evil government overseer, actually comes from like a military
Speaker 4: branded comic that Marvel would make. They're called custom comics.
Speaker 4: It's it's very famous. It's a great way to make
Speaker 4: money if you're a comic book creator. You can do
Speaker 4: them for not evil companies, but they do them for
Speaker 4: evil companies to like Lokeeda Martin. They also do them
Speaker 4: for like the NBA and a bunch of rad shit.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I realized that when I was rereading about
Speaker 4: him because I was like, where's this man gone? Because
Speaker 4: he was high on my death pool. But now I
Speaker 4: know he knows Jessica and Luke. I think they're keeping
Speaker 4: him around. I think he's gonna be valancing.
Speaker 3: Okay. I think fine.
Speaker 4: If one person is gonna die, maybe like the one judge,
Speaker 4: the one judge who seems to be like realizing that
Speaker 4: this whole thing's a scam, I'm going for her.
Speaker 3: I think she could just get killed by it.
Speaker 1: The one who sits in the middle, the.
Speaker 3: One who sits in the middle. Maybe this isn't good
Speaker 3: to be like a corrupt judge, you know. I think
Speaker 3: she's my most likely.
Speaker 1: It's funny like the things that I google while watching it,
Speaker 1: and one of my googles was why are three judges?
Speaker 5: Like when does this happen that three judges would be
Speaker 5: and it's like very s Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Actually, I gotta say, if somebody in our discord or
Speaker 4: who's listening to this, who is a fan, is like
Speaker 4: a legal person, please hit us up, because I would
Speaker 4: love to have some legal vision on this final episode.
Speaker 3: I want to know just how illegal everything that's doing is.
Speaker 1: I I'm am I okay to say no one. I
Speaker 1: kind of think nobody dies. I think that could be.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's Matt can't die. I don't think
Speaker 5: Jessica will die. I think they've hinted too much at
Speaker 5: Jessica and Luke. They've mentioned Luke now, like, I think
Speaker 5: we're gonna get somebody there. I think Dex is probably
Speaker 5: not even in this final episode. And you know, Jason,
Speaker 5: you brought it up like Matt and Fisk. Something has
Speaker 5: to happen. They can't both continue existing in this way
Speaker 5: at the end of next episode. But I don't know
Speaker 5: if they're going to kill either of them. I like
Speaker 5: our discussion the other week when we were like confisc
Speaker 5: kind of be a you know, in the Shadows crime
Speaker 5: lord who every once in a while comes in and
Speaker 5: crushes somebody's head just to remind you how strong he is.
Speaker 5: But then he goes back to like you know, building
Speaker 5: Spider Slayers or whatever, Like yeah.
Speaker 3: I like that's he's cool.
Speaker 4: He's kind of your like evil Nick furyed like they
Speaker 4: need to explain how something is happening that like, yeah,
Speaker 4: probably Wills and Fisk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm gonna say nobody dies, Okay, I think
Speaker 1: you'll correct other predictions. Let's try and have some predictions
Speaker 1: for season three. What do we think season three? I've
Speaker 1: already put my thing out there. I like, I think
Speaker 1: either Matt or Wilson or both have to leave New York.
Speaker 1: And I think Matt is going to have to live
Speaker 1: under the public knowledge that he is Daredevil, and he's
Speaker 1: gonna try and either own it or pretend like that
Speaker 1: was just a courtroom ploy in that he's not actually Daredevil.
Speaker 4: Okay, I think you're right. I also I also think
Speaker 4: this is going to be a season season three or
Speaker 4: third season. I think it's going to have to lean
Speaker 4: more into like the supernatural or the cosmic to raise
Speaker 4: the stakes on who the villain is, because I do
Speaker 4: think it's inevitable that we will get some kind of
Speaker 4: Defenders team up or reunion or something. And so I
Speaker 4: think understanding what is worse than Wilson Fisk. I think
Speaker 4: the hint that mister Charles gave that you're like a
Speaker 4: small fish in an even smaller pond in New York
Speaker 4: and you don't really understand what's out there. I would
Speaker 4: love to know who fills the power vacuum in New York, Like,
Speaker 4: what does that look like? Is it dead level going
Speaker 4: up against government corruption as Valentina comes in and tries
Speaker 4: to take over the freeport. Is it a different criminal
Speaker 4: that we have, like a different crime boss that we've seen.
Speaker 4: Is it the hand do we know are going to
Speaker 4: be in have already been in De Devil, have already
Speaker 4: been in this world, but are going to be in
Speaker 4: Spider Man.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm very interested to see that.
Speaker 4: But I think a big part of it is going
Speaker 4: to be raising those villain stakes, because really Wilson is
Speaker 4: the ultimate dead Levil villain, So to not have him present,
Speaker 4: we're going to have to work out what makes these
Speaker 4: heroes tick, what are they scared of, and why do
Speaker 4: they need to come out of these kind of comfortable
Speaker 4: lives that they're living, other than Matt, whose life's never comfortable.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, here's my prediction for season three. This
Speaker 5: is this is my three drinks in at the end
Speaker 5: of the night kind of prediction. I think, and I'm
Speaker 5: going to talk Spider Man two. I think Matt is
Speaker 5: not in Brand New Day. I think, Jason, you have
Speaker 5: a really good point, and we're like, Matt's got to leave.
Speaker 5: He's not going to show back up in New York
Speaker 5: in another Spider Man movie to help fight the Hand.
Speaker 5: I think we can assume it's the Hand that Spider
Speaker 5: Man's fighting. We've got Hulk in there, we know. I
Speaker 5: think instead they're going to introduce the Defenders in brand
Speaker 5: New Day.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna get Luke fan So that makes
Speaker 1: help right to help.
Speaker 5: Build momentum into season three of Daredevil, which we'll start
Speaker 5: with Matt somewhere else and it will be very Defender's focus,
Speaker 5: continuing the fight against the Hand, and then that will
Speaker 5: return to the city somehow to help turn the tide
Speaker 5: against the Hand. I think he comes back with Electra.
Speaker 5: But like I, it is just it is disappointing because
Speaker 5: I think Daredevil will not be Inborn Again. We already
Speaker 5: had him in One Spider Man.
Speaker 4: I think you're right that I think they're gonna use
Speaker 4: Frank as that big connection in the movie. But I
Speaker 4: would love to see because you know, if Luke comes back, right,
Speaker 4: he is not gonna want to see some white guy
Speaker 4: going around shooting up the wrong, shooting up Brooklyn, right,
Speaker 4: So that is a reason that he would come out.
Speaker 4: And you know something we never really got from the
Speaker 4: Fenders stuff, and it could give Danny rand a chance
Speaker 4: to kind of be a little.
Speaker 3: Bit less uncrul, you know.
Speaker 4: But if you actually had Luke Is the hero for Hire,
Speaker 4: and you had them out there as that team like
Speaker 4: Powerman and Iron Fist, and you did something that was
Speaker 4: a little bit more street level, that could be a
Speaker 4: very fun cameo that ties all of this together for
Speaker 4: Spider Man.
Speaker 3: Aaron, I like that a lot. I hadn't considered that.
Speaker 3: I like that a lot too.
Speaker 1: Well, Wow, we've only were heading towards the end here
Speaker 1: with Daredevil Born Again. On upcoming episodes of X ray Vision,
Speaker 1: we are going to be covering the end of Daredevil
Speaker 1: Born Again and of course some more mall Shadow Lord episodes.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be dipping into the boys here and there.
Speaker 1: And that's it for this episode. Thanks for listening. X
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