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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to my favorite murder. That's Georgia hartste

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Speaker 1: that's Karen kil Kara.

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Speaker 2: Just a just a just your microphone. Here we are

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Speaker 2: with our microphone.

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Speaker 3: Microphones are a big part of podcasting, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 3: kind of the only part really.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they do more than we do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Once you have a microphone, you're basically a professional

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Speaker 1: podcast You never give it up.

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Speaker 2: You never shut the fuck up. You never can shut

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Speaker 2: it down.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember when the way I used to shake

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Speaker 3: the old microphone stang?

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Speaker 2: Do you remember when we were amateur podcasters.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember when you were the sound guy? Stephen

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Speaker 3: was just a gleam.

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Speaker 2: In our eye? I do.

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Speaker 1: So this funny thing happened to me, This funny thing happened. Okay,

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Speaker 1: guys reading this, you're doing bits bits. Yes, I'm listening

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Speaker 1: to a book. Or I listened to a book that

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Speaker 1: I totally it was great. It's a one of the

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Speaker 1: drinking alcoholics memoirs that I loved so much, called Drinking

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Speaker 1: a Love Story by Caroline Knapp. It's from the nineties,

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Speaker 1: so I thought it'd be dated. No, it's life changing.

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Speaker 3: Is this the one where there's a scene where she

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Speaker 3: jumps on her boyfriend's back like that, I don't, and

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Speaker 3: they crash. She has her friend's children, and she crashes

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Speaker 3: like that, Oh, her friend's children.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so good. It's changed a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: I have not every drink since I listen.

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Speaker 2: Are you serious? Yes, it's been eight days.

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Speaker 1: But the weird thing about the audio book is that

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Speaker 1: it's read by the same woman who read I'll Be

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Speaker 1: Gone in the Dark. No, her name's Gabra Zachman. She's

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Speaker 1: like a famous audiobook narrator. But I'm listening to this

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Speaker 1: like sobriety book, and I'm expecting someone to break into

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Speaker 1: the house in the middle of the night and murder everyone.

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Speaker 3: It's really you listen to I'll Be Gone in the

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Speaker 3: Dark so many times, so many.

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Speaker 1: Times, it's just really like jarring and also like I've

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Speaker 1: ruined everything for myself for crime essentially.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it is what we do. Yeah, it's how

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Speaker 3: it is. Yeah, I think that's so funny. That's like

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Speaker 3: I wonder if that person probably has the most insane

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Speaker 3: range of books, and it's like, oh, I can do

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Speaker 3: more than just these two things. But I remember that

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Speaker 3: there was a couple of those at the time very groundbreaking. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: kind of autobiography tell alls about here's how I got

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Speaker 3: It's so I think no one recommends it anymore because

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Speaker 3: it's so triggering, right, it's basically someone giving you training manual.

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Speaker 1: Right. Well, she has a lot of that in there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's a woman. It doesn't seem

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Speaker 1: like in the nineties that was discussed a lot. You

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Speaker 1: and it just kind of shows that it could be anyone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that it builds and builds, sure does, grows

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Speaker 1: And the thought process behind it all is so familiar.

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Speaker 1: I was almost laughing at myself about how obvious it is.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, you know this is the way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, alcohol is an addictive substance. Yeah, then people get

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because for a little while you get the slippy

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Speaker 3: slide out of reality. Nice, it's real nice. It reminds

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Speaker 3: me of this morning. I could not get out of

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Speaker 3: the shower because it's we're having a very strangely cold

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Speaker 2: I was like, it's freezing today. Did you spill? I've

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Next Falling Apart fan cult We've got so what's going away?

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Speaker 3: Go what?

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Speaker 2: I'll look at me?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 2: I'm still drunk? Listen. Eight days is not that long. No.

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Speaker 3: I think the felt tablecloth will be fine.

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Speaker 2: It'll be fine. Us leave that in please all of that.

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Speaker 3: Netflix needs to know a nice long four minute hold.

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Speaker 3: And then I'm babysitting my friend's kids, but I won't

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Speaker 2: Just keep standing back. Should we just get into it? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: let's do it right. We don't have to fill. I

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Speaker 2: gave a book wreck.

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Speaker 3: Fucking she gave a book wreck. She blew her own

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Speaker 2: Good Night, Georgia goes first? Georgia, who goes first? I

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Speaker 2: got a big one, especially for Australians. Great shout out

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Speaker 2: across the world. Speaking of Aussie's hey, oh my good ride.

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Speaker 2: I did listeners.

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Speaker 3: If you were watching Netflix right now, you'd know that

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Speaker 3: Georgia was getting her little glasses out of her little

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Speaker 3: glasses case. It's just like mister Roger's over here, where

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Speaker 3: George is now turning into podcast personality.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, it's me podcaster Georgia. Okay, okay, stop saying okay, okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: So this isn't Can I get a rose? Can I

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Speaker 2: get a bartini?

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Speaker 1: Cold as ice? I want to be able to skate

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Speaker 1: on top of it. That's how we order or cold martini.

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Speaker 1: I want to skate? I meaning it's so icy on

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Speaker 3: And the bartender's like, you got it and rolls their

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Speaker 1: I would never say that, by the way, I'll say

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Speaker 2: How you so much. You don't even understand.

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Speaker 2: I'll tip you so much.

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Speaker 1: Recently, you tip so much that the owners think that

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Speaker 3: God, I've never thought of that hadn't either.

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Speaker 2: Well, but not at a.

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Speaker 2: Why was that the priority? Yeah, a round number for

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Speaker 2: I still can't carry the one my grandma used.

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Speaker 1: To carry this cart around that was like tipping and

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Speaker 2: So why don't we have those anymore?

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Speaker 1: We're called calculators in your phone, but I can't figure that.

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Speaker 3: Out right because you'd have to kind of know. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we'll figure this out later someday, we

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Speaker 2: will figure this out. In the meantime, True crime. Let's

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Speaker 2: do a true crime podcast.

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Speaker 1: We're going to Australia. This is an infamous Australian case

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Speaker 1: that has technically been solved in that the alleged killer

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to those who believe justice was served.

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Speaker 1: It's also a survival story, which in which a young

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Speaker 1: The attacker comes after her, scans the area with a flashlight.

443
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,760
Speaker 1: It's completely black, and somehow the flashlight never quite lands

444
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,000
Speaker 1: on her. She's laying flat.

445
00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:15,840
Speaker 2: There's nowhere to hide. I know.

446
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,680
Speaker 3: Some were like, I mean, like just the things I'm

447
00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,960
Speaker 3: picturing of the TV shows I've seen that take place,

448
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 3: places like that where just like what do you get

449
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,600
Speaker 3: down by a plant on the ground, And.

450
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 2: Oh, that's exactly so stressful. I know.

451
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,280
Speaker 1: He eventually gives up and goes back to the road.

452
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 1: We're assuming that he wanted to get rid of Peter's

453
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,280
Speaker 1: body in case someone drove by.

454
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,440
Speaker 2: And he leaves and.

455
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,000
Speaker 1: Joanne hides in that bush for five hours until one am,

456
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 1: when she feels safe enough to get out. She returns

457
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 1: to the road and flags down a passing truck like

458
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:45,440
Speaker 1: a semi.

459
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 3: Thank god something was passing, Yeah, I mean, and also

460
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 3: how scary that would be to be standing there, like, well,

461
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 3: let's hope this person ripes.

462
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,359
Speaker 2: Me let's hope it's not the same person.

463
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,919
Speaker 1: So scary the truck drivers, there's two of them, and

464
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,159
Speaker 1: they are shocked to find her there. They say, the

465
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,160
Speaker 1: fear in her face, they have never seen it.

466
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 2: Before in their lives. It's this is a terrified woman.

467
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 1: They use the wirecutters to get the wrist stuff off.

468
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 1: There's tape around her neck, they get that off. She's

469
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 1: got cuts and scrapes everywhere. She was laying in the

470
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 1: bush and they drive her to the closest service station

471
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 1: where they call the police, who arrive finally when the

472
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,680
Speaker 1: sun rises on June fifteenth, and launch into one of

473
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 1: the largest man hunts in Australian history. At the scene

474
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 1: of the attack, they find a stain on the ground

475
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 1: that's later determined to be Peter's blood. So there is

476
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 1: a small pool of blood, but they always say that

477
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like there's enough blood, and there's no

478
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 1: like brain matter. If he really got shot in the head.

479
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,719
Speaker 1: There's inconsistencies there, but who knows. They also find the

480
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 1: orange van that they were driving, about eighty meters off

481
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 1: the road, hidden in the brush. However, roadblocks don't get

482
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 1: set up until around eight hours after the initial attack.

483
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 1: So the search area is vast, it's about two times

484
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:56,880
Speaker 1: the state of.

485
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 2: Texas the search area.

486
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,680
Speaker 1: Thank god, helicopter skin the area, but they don't find anything.

487
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 1: Joanne obviously has just survived a terrifying ordeal, and so

488
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,199
Speaker 1: you would expect that she'd be treated with empathy and respect. However,

489
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 1: it's the early two thousands, and she's a woman not

490
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: to mention young and pretty, and so you would be wrong.

491
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 1: A huge deal is made over the fact that she

492
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 1: just straight up refuses to talk to the press, and there,

493
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's the thing that happens all the time,

494
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 1: which is she didn't act the way a victim is

495
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,360
Speaker 1: supposed to act, which we now know is bullshit.

496
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 2: She's kind of.

497
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 1: Almost like hostily ignoring.

498
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 3: The press, the postle ignoring. That's what I do. That's

499
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 3: the play right out.

500
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 2: Of my playbook. I mean.

501
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 3: Also, the first thing I thought of when you said

502
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 3: that was the dingoes ate my baby.

503
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 2: That's what everyone talks about.

504
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, everyone talks about the Chamberlain case when this

505
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:54,919
Speaker 1: gets brought up.

506
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 2: Because she was treated the same way.

507
00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: And found out to be totally innocent, She's taken the

508
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: very next day to do a play by play reenactment

509
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: of exactly what happened in the car.

510
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 2: She walks everyone through it. She doesn't remember a lot

511
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 2: of it.

512
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 1: But she's very like composed, which of course, it's like,

513
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: do you think maybe they gave her a valume? Do

514
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,360
Speaker 1: you think maybe she wanted to help the police. She's

515
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 1: not going to break down crying in that moment.

516
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 3: She's just like, it's just the judge, you ever compartmentalized,

517
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 3: right exactly? You have to hire people that have alcoholic

518
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 3: parents so that people understand all the tricks.

519
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 2: Of the trade, I mean dissociation.

520
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 3: And she's there, Yeah, chef's kiss to the association. But

521
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 3: she's standing there like, yes, the trauma of her closest

522
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 3: loved one murdered in front of her, and then I

523
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 3: have to take these steps to get that murder, Saul, right, Like,

524
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 3: it's no time to be falling apart.

525
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 1: No, one of the things I tell you right now

526
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: that I know and that you don't know, like could

527
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 1: help find my boyfriend if he's still alive, and yeah.

528
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 2: That's supposed to be the agreement anyway, it is.

529
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: The British and Australian press immediately pounce on her like

530
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 1: if they are hungry for this, like wolves for the story.

531
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 2: They suggest that her.

532
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: Story might not be true, or that she's hiding parts

533
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: of it. Joanne gives a press conference eleven days after

534
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: the attack, and at the time it's treated as her

535
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 1: like finally deigning to speak to the press, and they

536
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: immediately pick apart what she's wearing. She has like a

537
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 1: tank top on that says cheeky monkey. I mean there's

538
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: no pr training back then.

539
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 3: No.

540
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, she doesn't play the victim the way they want

541
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 1: her to. She doesn't play it smoothly.

542
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 3: Also, that's the kind of thing where it's like you're

543
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 3: trying to get an outfit together for a press conference,

544
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 3: a thing you've never dressed for before. You don't have

545
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 3: anybody on your side, and probably if she's in grief

546
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 3: or whatever it is, it's like you're just wearing a shirt.

547
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: Yeah you picked up and she's on a trip in

548
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 1: a foreign country. She picks something out of her luggage

549
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: and puts it on. Oh, I forgot about that part

550
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: about it. It's only what she has. But during the

551
00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: press conference she acts dismissive. She doesn't cry, which is

552
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: a force reported on. But it's literally been less than

553
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: two weeks since she was kidnapped that this happens. So

554
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: even more articles come out. I mean, it's a huge

555
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: cover story, doubting Joanne, saying her tone and behavior don't

556
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: seem appropriate.

557
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. We all know that.

558
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: And it seems like she's pretty pissed off at the

559
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 1: press as well as the police, who at this part

560
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,479
Speaker 1: start reinterviewing her, and this time with the tone that

561
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: she's a suspect, not the victim, and there's video of

562
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: this in the documentary. They start questioning her story. They

563
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: say that they gave her statement to some like analysts

564
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: who said they were twelve apparent inconsistencies lies in her

565
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: version of events, meaning like shit didn't add up. And

566
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you mean the story that she told

567
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: you when she's fucking traumatized, maybe high she was also high?

568
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 2: Oh right, right at cannabis joint. Yeah, I forgot about

569
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 2: that part. So they're saying it's inconsistent with the truth.

570
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 3: Someone comes up and shoots your loved one in the

571
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 3: head and then you have to tell the story correctly or.

572
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: Like day right, right, So she does get angry at them,

573
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: you know, and then After three weeks of this, DNA

574
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 1: testing on the shirt she had been wearing at the

575
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 1: time of the attack comes back and there is a

576
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: small speck of blood on it that has nail DNA.

577
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: It's not Peter's DNA. It doesn't belong to anyone in

578
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: their database of criminals either. Police also turn up CCTV

579
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: footage from a Shell gas station back in Alice Springs

580
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: from just after midnight on the evening of the attack.

581
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: The footage shows a Toyota truck with a canopy matching

582
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: Joanne's description. You can't see the plate though, and it

583
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: shows a man going into the station. He's wearing a

584
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: baseball cap. He has a mustache, just like Joanne said.

585
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: We don't know if it's the person that she said

586
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: it was. It's just someone happens to drive in who

587
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: matches the description at that time.

588
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 3: Multiple descriptions right, car and face right.

589
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: Despite all this evidence, there are many stories picking apart

590
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: minor inconsistencies. For example, there's conflicting details, composite sketch. We

591
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: don't even know if the guy in the Shell station

592
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: is him, so if it's not consistent with him, it's

593
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: maybe because it isn't him, right, we don't know. So

594
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: two years go by with occasional articles that's still cast

595
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: doubt on Joanne's story. Peter's body is never recovered and

596
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: there's no meaningful leads. And then in two thousand and two,

597
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: a forty two year old drug runner named Bradley John Murdoch.

598
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 3: What it's just, it's late in life to be a

599
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 3: drug runner. I think he's just like be a drug

600
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 3: dealer at this point, right.

601
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: So he's a bad dude, So people don't think he's guilty.

602
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 2: People do either way.

603
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: He's a criminal. He was in a motorcycle gang. He's

604
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: been a drug runner for a long time, and there

605
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: are some violent acts on his.

606
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: Record as well. He's a racist, he has racist tattoos.

607
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: He's pulled a gun at a sucker game on an

608
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 1: Aboriginal crowd.

609
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 2: Like he's not a good dude, Okay.

610
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: So he's arrested in connection with a different case in

611
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: which a twelve year old girl and her mother are

612
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 1: both abducted from their home and they're bound and gagged,

613
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: sexually assaulted and kidnapped for twenty hours, driven away. And

614
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: this isn't mistaken identity, Like they picked the wrong guy.

615
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: In a lineup like they knew him. He lived in

616
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: their back house.

617
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: They and they identified him.

618
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 1: Yes, this is Bradley John Murdoch, the drug runner. And

619
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: he's like six seven six'. Eight he's a huge. Man

620
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: and when he's, arrested police noticed a few. Things he

621
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 1: had tie cables in his, truck consistent with what the

622
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: mother and daughter said they were tied, with and also

623
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: consistent with What joanne had been tied. With the truck

624
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: seems to Match joanne's. Description it's the same one as

625
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: we looked. At in, Fact murdoch had been tracked down

626
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: and interviewed in two thousand and one because his truck

627
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: matched the model in.

628
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 2: Those gas STATION cctv.

629
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: FOOTAGE i think they just questioned a lot of people

630
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: with records who had that, truck but police had not

631
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: gotten A dna sample from. Him then they get. One

632
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: now it's tested and it's found to be a match

633
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: for the blood that had been On joanne's.

634
00:28:58,720 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: Shirt. WOW.

635
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: Ok and then he's acquitted of the. Case with the

636
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: mother and, daughter it's a hung. Jury it just seems

637
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: christ it seems like what's the.

638
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: Word it's so fucked.

639
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: Up, yeah it's almost like they just put enough reasonable

640
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: doubt into the jury's head that they didn't convict.

641
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: Him but, right it's clear to most of us that he.

642
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: Did gotta have that.

643
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: Evidence, Yes and then immediately as he's walking out of the,

644
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: courtroom he's tackled by.

645
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: Police he's arrested For peter's. Murder oh, shit. Yeah they

646
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: were like ready to. Commuts oh, yeah in.

647
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: Credible they're, like if he gets off on, this we're

648
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: immediately bringing them.

649
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 3: In that had to feel good to like that prosecutor

650
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 3: out every. Word it's, like go ahead and enjoy that

651
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 3: two minutes you got. Acquitted.

652
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: Right the case attracts so much attention the trial's delayed

653
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: for a, while and so it eventually starts In october

654
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: of two thousand and. Five In, Darwin murdo's lawyers use

655
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: the angle of Discrediting joanne's testimony because she's ready to

656
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: testify aainst. Him this includes suggesting that she was having

657
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: an affair while she was living In, sydney which in,

658
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: fact she hadn't been cheating On. Peter she had an

659
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: affair with a, man so they use that as part

660
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: of the.

661
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: Headlines, sorry how old is? She twenty? SEVEN i Mean,

662
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: yeah isn't that what everyone? Does, yeah and she admitted.

663
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: It it wasn't like a revelation at. Trials she admitted

664
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: to a.

665
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: Delice. Yeah she said that they had had an, affair

666
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: they liked each.

667
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: Other she was going to go on this trip With

668
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: peter and then they were going to see where they.

669
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: Landed and she got put into police custody and emailed

670
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: him this guy while she was in police, custody like

671
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: weeks After peter's death or this, incident and, said when

672
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: this is, over meet me In. Berlin it just didn't

673
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: look good for. Her, oh and that's why police were

674
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: kind of going after her.

675
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 3: MORE i, mean even if it's purely like escapist AND

676
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: i just don't want to be in a time where

677
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 3: this is.

678
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: Over.

679
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 3: Sorry that's first of, all everyone just stopped putting things

680
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 3: in fucking. WRITING i, mean, seriously she's not a perfect

681
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 3: victim at, all which is upsetting to, people but doesn't

682
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: mean she's not a. Victim this is worst case scenario

683
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: for IF i was that defense, LAWYER i would just be,

684
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 3: like are you fucking kidding? Me, yeah because this is

685
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 3: motive now.

686
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: Right well that's the other thing, Too it's so fucking.

687
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: Annoying is they're like when people who say That murdoch

688
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: didn't do, it they, say there's no.

689
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: Motive there's no.

690
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: Motive because she fucking took. Off the motive was to,

691
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: murder it to. Rape it's actually assault and rape this.

692
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: Woman come, on like that's the motive. Period, no you're completely.

693
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 3: RIGHT i, mean like the idea of a motive for

694
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: a serial rapist is the. Act so that doesn't make

695
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 3: sense at, all like saying they didn't have money on

696
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 3: them or something like what the FUCK.

697
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: I don't, know, yeah or like trying to steal the. Cars,

698
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: no he killed the boyfriend and tied up and kept

699
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: alive the.

700
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 3: Girlfriend MAY i introduced you a bunch of other serial

701
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 3: killers over history that we have talked, about serious.

702
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: One do you want to? Hear this is why we

703
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: talk about.

704
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: It So joanne testifies Against, murdoch who she has already

705
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: identified in a photo, lineup which also has some issues.

706
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: Behind if you watch the, documentary you'll see she might

707
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: have seen this guy getting arrested.

708
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: In the news and then did the photo line up

709
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: and picked.

710
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: Him the evidence against him and this whole trial isn't

711
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: Great and that's a lot of what people argue is

712
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: based on the. Evidence it doesn't show that he's, guilty

713
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: even though he could, be, Right so that's difficult for,

714
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: people AND i understand, that, yeah that. Is and So

715
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: murdoch is found guilty both of the murder and of Assaulting.

716
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,479
Speaker 1: Joanne he appeals his sentences multiple, times. Unsuccessfully laws are

717
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: passed In australia that prevent any convicted murderer of being

718
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: granted parole who has withheld the location of a body

719
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: that has not been. Found they keep, saying take us

720
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: to the. Body if he didn't do, it then he

721
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: can't do that, though right. Right in twenty, Nineteen murdoch

722
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: is diagnosed with throat, cancer and he died just about

723
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: a year ago In july of twenty twenty, five without

724
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: ever revealing the location Of Peter falconio's. Body in the

725
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: statement the family says About, murdoch, quote we are only

726
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: forced to think about him now that he's. Died we

727
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: don't want to let him ruin our lives more than

728
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: he already. Has the awful thing is our family's future

729
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: With peter was cruelly taken. Away today we instead focus

730
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: on the three children we have left and our. Grandchildren

731
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 1: we didn't have much, faith but we were Hoping Bradley

732
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: John murdoch would reveal Where peter was before he. Died

733
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: but even now we still hold out hope that his

734
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: remains will be found end. Quote and The Northern Territory

735
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: police are offering a reward of up to five hundred

736
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: thousand dollars for information leading to the recovery Of peter's.

737
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: Remains he would be fifty three years old right now

738
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: if he were still. Alive and that is the story

739
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: of the attack On Peter falconio And Joanne.

740
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: Lee's, Wow, now what would you do knowing this story

741
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 3: AND i only know you just told. Me, Yeah but

742
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 3: knowing the, story if you found out THE dna evidence

743
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 3: that actually it was all her, plan would that shock

744
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 3: you to your? Bone so is that something you're, like

745
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 3: it's absolutely not possible.

746
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 2: Based on the, evidence it's not. Possible but based on

747
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: the evidence against, him and there's OTHER dna evidence that

748
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: doesn't check, out it's just a little like it's hard

749
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: to believe his story Against. MURDOCH i don't. KNOW i

750
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: don't know how to.

751
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: SAY i would be, very very shocked if she had

752
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: something to do with. It, okay what about?

753
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: You you don't? Know, well just based on what you told.

754
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 2: Me it's like that.

755
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 3: Idea it's like believe women, always and yet we have

756
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 3: told many stories about women who never stopped, lying, right

757
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 3: you know WHAT i, mean had very evil intent from early,

758
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: days so it's not. IMPOSSIBLE i just think it's fascinating

759
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 3: when cheaters cheat as if it's no big deal in

760
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 3: the grand scheme of, things where it's like you just

761
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 3: put a little time bomb in your.

762
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: Future.

763
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 3: Yeah that then tells the person that you care about

764
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: the most they cannot trust anything you say or.

765
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: Do, Right but what's her motive? Though to be with this?

766
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 2: Guy then just break, up break out your.

767
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: Boyfriend they're not, married they have no financial, ties and

768
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: That there's just so many weird. Inconsistencies AND i think

769
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: that the police, investigation because of the way it was

770
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: done first and, foremost made it so that it'd be

771
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: really hard to convict someone for this and have everyone

772
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 1: believe they got the right. Guy, yes so anything about

773
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: her being guilty based on that evidence also can't be, trusted,

774
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: Right SO i just don't think there's more evidence that

775
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 1: this Guy murdock is guilty than she, is and even

776
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: that is kind of, loose.

777
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 3: Right although just the affair really, yeah screws, it it's not.

778
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 5: Good but then wise of, Motive, yeah the other people

779
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 5: talk about is like why would how she'd never been

780
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 5: to this, place this remote place in the middle of,

781
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 5: Nowhere how are you going to plan this perfect crime

782
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 5: and get away with?

783
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,959
Speaker 1: It, yeah those are other but there are little weird

784
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: things like the dog that was with him she identified

785
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: as the wrong kind of, dog which just shows that

786
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: maybe it's Not.

787
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: Murdoch but also she told him she got in the.

788
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: Truck he forced in the truck this way and there's

789
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: actually no way to get into the truck that. Way

790
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: but it's like she was traumatized and she was going through.

791
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: It she'd remembered it, INCORRECTLY.

792
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 3: I mean something like, That And i'm just guessing, obviously

793
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 3: but it sounds like the kind of thing where cops

794
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 3: went and re enacted. Something later, On it's, like, well

795
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 3: she's saying she did, this and then you want to,

796
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: go how big was the cop that was playing?

797
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 2: Her, right she went did the.

798
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 3: Reenactment she is six foot eight, Also and the other thing, is,

799
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 3: oh she went and said she's so she's standing there,

800
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 3: going this is HOW i did.

801
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 2: It, Yeah like you couldn't have.

802
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: Step by step, Yeah and they're, like that doesn't make.

803
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: Sense this doesn't make. Sense there's also the theory that

804
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 1: people believe That Peter falconio is still alive and had

805
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: just faked his own death and, disappeared and maybe she

806
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: helped him with, it and that's why she's. Flying people

807
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 1: say that they've seen.

808
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: Him.

809
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 3: Oh some people say she's in on. It some people

810
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 3: say she's.

811
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: Not, yeah but that he's still alive and he like

812
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 1: just escaped his life.

813
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 2: And she's basically this is her cover, story, yeah or

814
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: or she Her.

815
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 3: Yeah those two, guys it's Like i'm kidnapping your, boyfriend.

816
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: RIGHT i think that's the most male ideal. Version we're just, like,

817
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 3: no these are two guys having a. Prank it's not

818
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: a man killing the man so he can rape the.

819
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: Woman and then there's no. Motive, again like he didn't

820
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: have his crazy. Debt he had a lovely, family and he's.

821
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: Young he was a very sweet. Guy everyone loved. Him,

822
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: hmmm Y, well BUT i think all of it just

823
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: as it's just all smoke and mirrors to point away

824
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: from the person who most likely murdered him in the

825
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: exact way that she said it.

826
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 3: Happened it's interesting BECAUSE i feel like THOSE i saw

827
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 3: them after the, fact eyewitness things so not.

828
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: Helpful it just feels like they're always.

829
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 3: Wrong, yeah BUT i, mean, man please come back to

830
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: me about this within three, months BECAUSE i.

831
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 2: Don't this is.

832
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: FRUSTRATING i. WILL i know you hate. It and it's

833
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: not a cold. CASE i didn't give you a cold.

834
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: Case right's, solved it's still. Frustrated considered, Solved, yeah that's.

835
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: Tough.

836
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: Well, also the police wanted to solve it as soon

837
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: as possible, too for tourism's, sake you, know and show

838
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: that they had got the right. Guy you think that

839
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: she would have said that he was six foot eight

840
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: or whatever when describing her.

841
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: Attacker she doesn't seem like she got a great look at.

842
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: Him but she's in the passenger.

843
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 3: Side he pulls up behind them and, says pull, over something's.

844
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 3: Wrong she's sitting in the passenger, seat she's talking to.

845
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 3: Him if she did turn, around it would be headlights

846
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 3: in her.

847
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: Eyes. Yeah all of the inconsistencies on her that they

848
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: placed on her can be.

849
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: Explained, yeah by.

850
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 3: Logic yeah, yeah, Wow, okay well great job killing and

851
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 3: interesting and. Important, yeah uh, GOD i HOPE i, know

852
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 3: it would just be.

853
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: Nice i'll let you. Know, okay thank.

854
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 3: You we're going to take a left turn today in

855
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 3: honor of The World. Cup oh that's happening here in

856
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 3: The United states Of. America did you hear about any of?

857
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: This, yes it's bringing worlds. Together.

858
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 3: Amazing people are having a this is the dawning of

859
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 3: The age Of aquarius. Moment boston And, GLASGOW i, believe

860
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 3: are now deeply in love and getting. Married you're watching

861
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 3: a lot of people from THE uk come over and

862
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 3: like eat real southern food In georgia and lose their fucking.

863
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 4: Mind.

864
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: AMAZING i heard something about ranch stressing being probably.

865
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 3: People are sending it back to. Themselves people are getting

866
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: caught with it in their carry, ons AND i think

867
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 3: for a lot of people, here it's like people here

868
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 3: are being reminded of why this is a great. Country

869
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 3: somebody ran stressing it's ran stressing and southern, food and someone,

870
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 3: said it's, like, Uh i've heard this twice. Now it's

871
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 3: like we're all cousins and our parents don't get, along

872
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 3: so we don't like each, other thank. God and we

873
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 3: finally got dropped off when we get to have a. Sleepover,

874
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 3: yeah and now everyone's having a great time and going

875
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 3: fuck our.

876
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: Parents they realize are lied to this whole time by your,

877
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: parents and these kids are.

878
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 3: Awesome love that countries are not the governments that make

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00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 3: terrible decisions for, them thank.

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00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 2: You it's the. People they force us to pay taxes

881
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: that go to do terrible. Things but we don't want.

882
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 3: That we don't want, it and we love our fellow.

883
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: Man we.

884
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 3: Do it's all very. Beautiful TikTok dot com if you

885
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 3: want to get if you want to jump in on,

886
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 3: it it's pretty. Lovely so kind of in celebration of

887
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 3: that and the fact THAT i Think i've told you the.

888
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 3: Story But Robin collising AND i my sister's, Friend adrian's,

889
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 3: husband if we, can we will Watch World cup games

890
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: If i'm like home for the summer or. Around and

891
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 3: the fun thing about, it we started doing it when

892
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 3: we were on Vacation hawaii is getting up.

893
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: And watching them at like three thirty in the.

894
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: Morning, yeah and so be like someone would get donuts

895
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 3: the night before and we would do this whole thing

896
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 3: and then we would be the weirdos in the front.

897
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 3: Room and of COURSE i don't care about soccer one

898
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 3: or the, other but it WAS i love being up

899
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 3: in the middle of the night for every for like

900
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 3: a weird. Reason and we're going to do it again

901
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 3: WHEN i go home for fourth Of. JULY i, Know

902
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: i'm very. Excited by the time this episode, airs which

903
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 3: will be On, Thursday july, ninth it'll be the semi finals.

904
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 3: Starting and just for your own, interest we have more

905
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 3: than twenty seven thousand listeners In chile really a ninety

906
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 3: thousand In.

907
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: Brazil.

908
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 3: Wow so for the listeners that are in those, Countries,

909
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 3: hi we can't believe you listen to this.

910
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: Podcast thank. You we're so.

911
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 3: Excited, yeah, welcome absolutely. Welcome Maybe benitos google how to

912
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 3: say it, correctly don't USE. Ai so we're just very

913
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 3: excited that you're. Here so this story Begins september, third

914
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty, nine just before five O'CLOCK. Pm it's The

915
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 3: South american qualifiers for the nineteen Ninety World cup at

916
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 3: The Maricana stadium In rio de Jan. Ero the matches

917
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 3: Between brazil And. Chile i'm pronouncing It chile because that's

918
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 3: how you're supposed to pronounce, it but it makes it

919
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 3: sound LIKE i know What i'm, doing AND i absolutely do,

920
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 3: not BUT i feel self conscious about, it But i'll

921
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 3: still say. It we appreciate, that kind of like an

922
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 3: art teacher in high.

923
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 2: School it's, like have you ever been To chile Or?

924
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: Brasil so in this match That i'm telling you about

925
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 3: it's about to take, Place brazil has the. Advantage they

926
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 3: have the home field. Advantage but Also brazil in the

927
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 3: soccer world, football as the rest of the entire globe calls.

928
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 3: It in, Football brazil is a. Powerhouse the kids play

929
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 3: with a, smaller heavier ball as they grow, up so

930
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 3: by the time they get to the bigs or even the,

931
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 3: mids they are faster and sharper and. BETTER i saw,

932
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 3: that and It's brazil is Where pele is. From who's

933
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 3: the greatest many believe the greatest of all. Time, Basically

934
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 3: chile is going into this the, underdog just Because brazil

935
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: is like The yankees of, football do not write in

936
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 3: no one.

937
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: CARES i don't know how right or WRONG i, am

938
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 2: or you don't, care thank.

939
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 3: You it's just slightly defensive about how MUCH i don't

940
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 3: know about What i'm talking. About, Okay, So brazil has

941
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: won The World cup five, times more than any other,

942
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 3: country but The chilean fans still have faith their team

943
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 3: could beat the, odds thanks in no small part to

944
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 3: their thirty two year old captain and the, Goalkeeper Roberto,

945
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 3: Rojas robert The. Red he is ready to do whatever

946
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 3: it takes to get his team to The World, cup

947
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 3: and that ambition will lead to one of the most

948
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 3: notorious incidents In South american sports. History this is the

949
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,479
Speaker 3: story of the nineteen eighty Nine brazil Versus Chile World cup.

950
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 3: Qualifiers is this the wrong goal? Story there's a lot

951
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 3: of elements to this. Story can you see?

952
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 4: It?

953
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: What?

954
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 3: Do there are other waves? Coming i'm having the hugest

955
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 3: offlash right.

956
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 2: Now oh you were, like he's so. Angry can you

957
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: see how MUCH i love? Football?

958
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 4: Oh?

959
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: No.

960
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 3: Okay so the main sources used for today's glory are

961
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 3: an episode of ESPN's thirty four thirty, podcasts not thirty

962
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 3: by thirty the measurements THAT i once said that show

963
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 3: was Entitled i'm also a twenty twenty five episode of

964
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 3: BBC's Sporting witness, podcast and an article by a writer

965
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 3: Named Daniel edwards at a little website called goal dot,

966
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 3: com and the rest of those sources are in our show.

967
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: Notes so there's already been drama Between brazil And chile

968
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 3: before the playoff match That i'm talking. About two years

969
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 3: before nineteen eighty, seven they went up against each other

970
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 3: in an early round of a tournament called The Copa,

971
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 3: america which is between all The Southern american men's national football.

972
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 3: Teams brazil is the favorite to win once, again but

973
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: when they go head to head With, Chile chile ends

974
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 3: up beating them in a stunning four zero. Upset so

975
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 3: the goalie Of chile's, Team Roberto, rojas plays a flawless.

976
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 3: Game he does not let a single goal get by,

977
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 3: him which is no small. Feat as Journalist DANIEL. A

978
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 3: larcone puts it quote quite, frankly goalkeepers are. INSANE a

979
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 3: good goalkeeper has a certain amount of disregard for his

980
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 3: or her own.

981
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 2: Safety they live on the. Edge, yeah, terrifying so.

982
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 3: Scary so over his decade long, Career rojas has done just,

983
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 3: that earning respect with his, passion fearlessness and athleticism that

984
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: he plays. With let's take a picture. There he is

985
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 3: superstar Of chile. Football he's been caught up in a

986
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 3: couple noteworthy, scandals though from earlier in his. Career one

987
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 3: involved him lying about his age so he could participate

988
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: in youth tournaments it's, odd and another involving doping produce

989
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 3: standard scandals for football, players but he, is despite.

990
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 2: That a national.

991
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 3: Hero the fans call Him El condor because condors are

992
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 3: the national symbol Of. Chile we're going to learn a lot, today,

993
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 3: Okay and they kind of think he looks like a

994
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 3: condor's but it's all a form of. Respect so, basically

995
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 3: When chile goes and Whips brazil's ass at The Copa

996
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: america nineteen eighty, seven his national icon status is truly,

997
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 3: cemented and Ultimately chile places second in that. Tournament they

998
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 3: as a country have appeared at The World cup several.

999
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 3: Times their best run was in nineteen sixty. Two this

1000
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 3: Is chile when they came in third. Place but now

1001
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 3: This World cup tournament in nineteen ninety that's going to

1002
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 3: be In. Italy this feels like it's their big. Chance

1003
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 3: it's the final days of the brutal military dictatorship Of.

1004
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 3: Pinochet it's a time of major political and social upheaval

1005
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 3: in the. Country soccer matches have become places where Impassion

1006
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 3: chileans can express their national pride on a global, stage

1007
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 3: so there's a lot.

1008
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: In it for.

1009
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 3: Them the nineteen eighty Nine World cup qualifiers Have chile

1010
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 3: And brazil face off. Again they played two games in this.

1011
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 3: Qualifier the first one takes place In santiago On august

1012
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 3: thirteenth at the city's national. Stadium it's Called National. Stadium

1013
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 3: it's nearly at. Capacity the crowd is riled. Up look

1014
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 3: how big this stadium. Is just to give you this

1015
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 3: sense of it's Super bowl size and. LEVEL i, mean

1016
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 3: obviously we know, this but the rest of the world's

1017
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 3: football is our football wow with different shaped, Balls so

1018
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 3: all those people going. Crazy, normally both football teams playing

1019
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 3: that day come out of that tunnel and onto the field,

1020
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 3: together mostly so that riled up fans don't throw shit

1021
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 3: at the opposing, team, Right so if they're both, there

1022
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 3: nobody throws. Anything and so that is just basically standard

1023
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 3: play for these. Qualifiers but on this, day Before brazil

1024
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 3: is ready to, go team Captain Roberto rojas just has

1025
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 3: his team go out. First he leads them out onto

1026
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 3: the field Without, brazil Forcing brazil to walk into this

1027
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 3: pack stadium. Alone it's an explicit break from. Protocol it's

1028
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: meant to Rattle brazil in a crucial pregame, moment but

1029
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 3: it's also part of a larger mentality That chilean Journalist

1030
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 3: Danilo diaz shorthands as quote mass bundidos klos, bandidos which

1031
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 3: means more bandits than the, bandits which is, basically they're

1032
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 3: going to fuck with, you so fuck with them, first.

1033
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: Right that's kind of the motto in.

1034
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 3: Podcasting not all teams of this era are of This

1035
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,439
Speaker 3: macavelian mindset where the end justifies the, means but some,

1036
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 3: do and in ESPN's thirty for thirty, podcast they cite

1037
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 3: a few stories about Various Latin american clubs accused of

1038
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 3: allegedly doing these these. Moves some have been accused of

1039
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 3: allegedly drugging their opponents Before matt SHIT.

1040
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: I or that to?

1041
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: You yeah right for your podcast does it go hi.

1042
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 3: Question they've also been accused of covertly photographing these players

1043
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 3: and compromising situations with sex, workers then blowing those pictures

1044
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 3: up and hanging them around the arena before The.

1045
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: King that is, vicious it's fucking.

1046
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 3: Insane some club managers have been accused of releasing a

1047
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: small dog onto the pitch when the team is ahead

1048
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 3: to basically run down The clock's the that's the third

1049
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,720
Speaker 3: in that, list the least. Bad, yeah but it's all dirty,

1050
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 3: play and the list goes on and. On So roberto's

1051
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 3: move of walking out without The brazilian, team you, know

1052
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 3: is kind of that muscling that they, do and it

1053
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 3: definitely sets a palpable feeling of hostility in the. Stadium

1054
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 3: that of, course it's even before. Gameplay once the game,

1055
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 3: starts that tone increases. Dramatically so now we're just a

1056
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 3: minute and a half into the. Game when A chilean

1057
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 3: midfielder aggressively tackles A brazilian player and injures him, somehow

1058
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 3: That chilean player only gets a yellow, card which is

1059
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 3: the official warning. Card but then as the Injured brazilian

1060
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 3: player is being taken off the, field a fight breaks

1061
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 3: out between other players and someone else is, injured and

1062
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 3: this time A brazilian player is given a red, card

1063
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 3: which means he is now kicked out of the. Game,

1064
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 3: afterward That brazilian player will tell reporters, QUOTE i didn't

1065
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 3: hit him that, hard so it just started with a

1066
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 3: bit of. Violence around minute, fourteen The chilean player who

1067
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 3: got the yellow card tries to trip A brazilian midfielder

1068
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 3: and when he realizes he is going to get carded,

1069
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 3: again which probably means he's going to get red, carded

1070
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 3: he tries to intimidate the, ref so then A brazilian

1071
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 3: player steps in to defend the ref while Several chilean

1072
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 3: players grab their teammate try to get him to calm

1073
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 3: down and come over to the bench, basically and they

1074
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 3: are all worried he's becoming a. Liability so it's a

1075
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 3: pretty even match between the two teams and the, Goalie

1076
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 3: Roberto rojas is playing a near perfect. Game he defends

1077
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: shot after shot made By. Brazil by, halftime the score

1078
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 3: is zero to, zero which is a very big deal

1079
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 3: when teams are playing Against. Brazil just to keep them

1080
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 3: from scoring is, yeah because you can end in a

1081
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 3: tie and you can and just keep them from scoring

1082
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 3: and get one more than, them and that's all you

1083
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 3: need to.

1084
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 2: DO i just explained it all.

1085
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 3: Sports but eleven minutes into the matches second, half things

1086
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 3: take a turn when A chilean defender near the. Goal so,

1087
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 3: Basically Roberto, rojas the goalie is back here by the

1088
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 3: goal box and nearby one of Another chilean player needs

1089
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 3: to basically kick the ball down there so they can

1090
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 3: go start playing on the other end of the.

1091
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 2: Field but like.

1092
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 3: You, anticipated, yep, sorry, yeah when he goes to do, this,

1093
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 3: no because it's, famous he goes to do it and

1094
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 3: instead of sending, it he hits the back of his

1095
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 3: own players and it bounces off that guy's leg and

1096
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 3: goes in to the fucking.

1097
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 2: Net so he. Scores he's on his own team For.

1098
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 2: BRAZIL i only know about this because of events explaining

1099
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 2: it to, me and it's just it's a. Nightmare.

1100
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 3: Yeah and of course now there's already hostility and bad

1101
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 3: vibes in the.

1102
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: Stadium people go.

1103
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: Nuts so he does that on his own home team

1104
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: field with an audience.

1105
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 3: Full of nightmare like hardcore. Fans tensions are. High now

1106
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 3: this gigantic mistake from the. Underdogs now THAT i know

1107
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 3: you're doing the, STORY i can't believe.

1108
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 2: It this is so fucked. Up, yeah that's, GREAT i love.

1109
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 3: It, Yeah, okay it's an accidental assistant goal For. Brazil

1110
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 3: AS i, said the bad vibes go from bad to.

1111
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 3: Rotten the score is now one to Zero.

1112
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: Brazil but who is it the fault of the guy

1113
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: who kicked it or the guy who ricocheted off of the?

1114
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 2: Kicker but he, okay he kicked it to his to his.

1115
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 2: GUY i, mean, like who. Knows it's nobody's.

1116
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 3: FAULT i literally watched four soccer games and without a,

1117
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 3: Pause i'm, like it's the fault of the man with the.

1118
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 3: Leg HOW i KNOW i played. SOCCER i love orange.

1119
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 3: SLICES i think it's LIKE i would, say primary, kicker

1120
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 3: because he was supposed to kick it up in afar

1121
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 3: and then he just kicked it straight over to that.

1122
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:08,919
Speaker 2: Guy.

1123
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 3: Nightmare so now there's just seven minutes left in the,

1124
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 3: game and another bizarre thing. Happens after A brazilian, Foul

1125
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 3: chile is given a free. Kick, right the underdogs have a.

1126
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 3: Chance can fucking even it?

1127
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: Up as long as you don't lose with that, point,

1128
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: yes everyone would be, fine.

1129
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: Just clear clear.

1130
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 3: It but when The brazilian players hear That chile's being

1131
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 3: given a free, kick all The brazilian players on the,

1132
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 3: field including their, goalie get. Furious and they start arguing

1133
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 3: and confronting the refs and going crazy that this is not.

1134
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 3: Fair and as they're doing, that A chilean player that's

1135
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 3: near the ball realizes they never called time, out and

1136
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 3: he very subtly passes the ball to a teammate who

1137
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 3: then just kicks it straight into the.

1138
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 2: Goal it is.

1139
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 3: Legal play and they make that. Point holy, Shit, yes.

1140
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: So chile gets a, goal so we're one to. One

1141
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 2: we're one to. One everything's gonna be. Fine so isn't that?

1142
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 3: Insane that is so? Banana they actually review it and it's.

1143
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 3: Decided it's it's declaredly like tie them out or. WHATEVER i,

1144
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 3: mean they must have. Right so the game ends in a,

1145
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 3: tie one to. One. Whew well the crowd they were

1146
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 3: growing pissed off, before but now the game's.

1147
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 2: Over no one.

1148
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 3: Satisfied it's like both teams lost to them. Essentially so

1149
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 3: as the teams walk off the, field that fans just start.

1150
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 3: Throwing they throw, batteries they throw, rocks they throw anything

1151
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 3: they can.

1152
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 2: Is a battery and rock.

1153
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: Night it was a soccer b yob or are just

1154
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: hand them out when you walk?

1155
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: In who's got? Those? Night At dodger.

1156
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 3: Stadium they, said, well it was, like you, know it

1157
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 3: was nineteen ninety so there's people with.

1158
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: Radios but still it's just a little. Bit but they're,

1159
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 2: Like i'm not throwing my, Radio i'm.

1160
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 3: Battery that's, right, honey give me your. Purse later on

1161
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 3: in the locker, room a reporter Calls roberto out for

1162
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 3: fanning the flames of the fan hostilities by Leaving brazil

1163
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,280
Speaker 3: in the tunnel when they were walking, out And roberto

1164
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 3: responds by, saying, quote, man we have to use everything

1165
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,720
Speaker 3: we can to. Win so there's another game left between

1166
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 3: these two, teams so they have a final kind of

1167
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 3: chance to reverse. This both teams. Do according to the

1168
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 3: way the points system works in The World cup, Qualifiers

1169
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 3: chile has to win by at least one goal to

1170
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 3: stay in the running to play in The World.

1171
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 2: Cup, okay they just need to get a.

1172
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: Point they need to get more point than they want more,

1173
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: points which is how you win.

1174
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,879
Speaker 3: Everything now we're back where we. Started It's september, third

1175
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty. Nine we're In rio De, janeiro where at

1176
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 3: The Maracana stadium the energy could not be more different

1177
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 3: than it was In.

1178
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 2: Santiago the vibes are.

1179
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 3: Great it's described later as a one hundred and fifty

1180
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 3: thousand person party with a Mostly brazilian. Crowd they're all

1181
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 3: wearing the country's. Colors they have, tambourines they have little,

1182
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 3: drums they're shooting off, flares they're shooting off fireworks in

1183
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 3: the Stand jesus and they're all.

1184
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 2: Hot so it's just a great. Time hot as in

1185
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 2: like good. Looking, yeah we're In.

1186
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 3: Brazil so the match, begins and like probably every other

1187
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 3: team On, Chile roberto the, goalie is playing like his

1188
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 3: life depends on. It he blocks shot after shot from

1189
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 3: The brazilian. Offenders the crowds keyed. Up they're cheering When

1190
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 3: brazil launches balls Towards chile's goal because it's home, team

1191
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 3: and When roberto blocks, it they jeer and they boo

1192
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 3: and doesn't, matter doesn't shake. Him at, halftime the score

1193
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 3: is still zero, zero which is huge For. Chile they

1194
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 3: are Preventing brazil from.

1195
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: Scoring but if they, tie Then brazil, wins, right, yeah,

1196
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: okay it's like a sudden death.

1197
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 3: Situation, Yeah, so less than five minutes into the second,

1198
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 3: half a shot finally gets Past. Roberto brazil scores the

1199
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 3: stadium rops in, cheers doesn't let. Up it's now one Zero,

1200
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 3: brazil so everyone of course is locked on this. Gameplay

1201
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 3: as The chileans now have the, ball they're driving it

1202
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 3: down the.

1203
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 2: Field some are looking.

1204
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 3: Toward their end Where Roberto rojas is standing in the

1205
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 3: goal box when if flare suddenly comes down out of

1206
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 3: the audience and falls onto the field like near. Him

1207
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 3: it lands in a plume of smoke that just seems

1208
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 3: to swallow him Whole dumbledore.

1209
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 2: Is it job From Arrested.

1210
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 3: Development after a, moment the smoke clears and the crowd

1211
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 3: looks in horror as they Watch Roberto rojas writhing around

1212
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 3: on the ground in, pain clutching his bloody.

1213
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 2: Face oh my, GOD i didn't know.

1214
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 3: This he's immediately carried off the field and into the locker.

1215
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 3: ROOM i think we have a picture of the flare

1216
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 3: falling onto the field during the. Game some drunk person

1217
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 3: just holy. Shit, yeah it's like a.

1218
00:57:59,240 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 2: Firework.

1219
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 3: Yeah and then we have, photos of course of him

1220
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 3: being carried, off, bloody being carried off the. Field that's

1221
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 3: him down, there and you can see the blood from this.

1222
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 2: Side, god that's, violent it's.

1223
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 3: Crazy so they get him into the locker room and

1224
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 3: they find a one and a quarter inch gash across his.

1225
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 3: Forehead in protest of what seems like a blatant attack

1226
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 3: on their captain by a crazed, fan the chile players

1227
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 3: refuse to continue this. Game brazil, meanwhile is. Stunned they

1228
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 3: have no idea what's. Happened they know it's, serious and

1229
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 3: they also know that this happening could Hand chile the automatic.

1230
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 3: Win so in the aftermath of the game's abrupt, ending

1231
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 3: Many chileans are of course. Furious so it's another one

1232
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 3: of these weird endings where it's all of a, sudden

1233
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 3: we're just in this insane medical problem and no one

1234
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 3: really knows what's going. On some of The chileans even

1235
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 3: go protest outside of The brazilian embassy In.

1236
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 2: Santiago when they go back.

1237
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: Home, well aren't The brazilians pissed, too? Though because they

1238
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: were going to?

1239
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 3: Win you, Know, well they don't know what's going, on

1240
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 3: so they don't they think that maybe they're a fan

1241
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 3: of theirs is who did this, right like through this

1242
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 3: flare right that it was kind of an, attack and

1243
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 3: so they're just kind of not sure what to do about,

1244
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 3: it But chile is, like you've attacked our. Player you

1245
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 3: did this on. Purpose there's a lot of emotion on

1246
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 3: The chilean, side but there's healthy speculation and suspicion about

1247
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 3: what happened on The brazilian. Side many onlookers are wondering

1248
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 3: how a flare would result in the laceration instead of

1249
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 3: resulting in. Burns roberto has no. Burns he's insisting the

1250
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 3: injury was a result of that flare and there is

1251
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 3: no evidence anything different would.

1252
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 2: HAPPENED i know that was going to.

1253
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: Happen and then like it's like he's a wrestler who

1254
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: has like a fucking razor blade and his.

1255
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 2: Hit, shit yeah up, asleeve right exactly.

1256
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 3: So even though hundreds of cameras are present at the

1257
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 3: match that, day it's initially thought they were all pointed

1258
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 3: down toward the opposite end of the. Field within, hours

1259
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 3: a photographer Named Ricardo alfieri comes forward saying that during the,

1260
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 3: game he saw the flare out of the corner of

1261
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 3: his eye and he whipped around and snapped five shots

1262
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 3: as the flare fell to the. Ground oh, shit and

1263
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 3: his undeveloped photos gets shopped. Around he basically goes and

1264
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 3: shops them to all The brazilian, newspapers and a newspaper

1265
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 3: CALLED Oh globo is the one who gets, them buys,

1266
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 3: them and in the middle of the night calls the

1267
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 3: head of their photo. Lab she's fast asleep at. Home they,

1268
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 3: say get in here and develop these pictures for. Us

1269
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 3: it is unclear how Much alfieri is. PAID espn says

1270
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 3: it's around five thousand dollars.

1271
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty, nine eighty nine eighty, nine five thousand

1272
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: today is ten thirteen.

1273
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 3: Thousand close, though but no one attempts to translate it

1274
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 3: In brazilian, money so we don't know the. Reason we

1275
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 3: can just assume that it's he got a bunch of

1276
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 3: money much higher than the going. Rate so these five

1277
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 3: photographs run in THE O globo newspaper the next, morning

1278
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 3: in full, color and they clearly show this flare landing

1279
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 3: several feet Behind Roberto, rojas making no contact with, him

1280
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 3: then him throwing his body into the plume of smoke

1281
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 3: and basically becoming a part of. It there's no contact

1282
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 3: between this flare And Roberta, rojas and these photos like

1283
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 3: to show that very, clearly he's not even close to.

1284
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 2: It it's back.

1285
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 3: There and he's claiming that the cut is on his, forehead,

1286
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 3: right and then basically the pictures go that he throws

1287
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 3: himself into the flair and then there's. Blood, Right so

1288
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 3: now everyone thinks it's in the. Newspaper so now everyone

1289
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 3: thinks it's an elaborate's. Done when police track down the

1290
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 3: person who's set off the, flair they find out it's

1291
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 3: a Young brazilian fan in her twenties Named we're not

1292
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 3: sure about the pronunciation of this fan's, name but we

1293
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 3: think It's Rosaneanery. Mayo so setting off flares was very

1294
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 3: common at football games In South, america or at, least you,

1295
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 3: know firecrackers and flares.

1296
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 2: Whatnot in the.

1297
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 3: Eighties they would do it a. Lot hers just happened

1298
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 3: to be the one that hit the.

1299
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 2: Field she pointed it towards the, field.

1300
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 3: Well toward the, field but not toward a. Person so

1301
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 3: she's eventually cleared of any involvement in like a conspiracy

1302
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 3: to Injure. Rojas but in a weird, twist the public

1303
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 3: interest around her becomes so intense she basically becomes an

1304
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 3: overnight celebrity for setting the, flare and a few months,

1305
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 3: later In, november the same, year she's on the cover

1306
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 3: Of Brazilian. Playboy WHAT i told you everyone was hot

1307
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 3: at this. Game she's basically identified as The maracana fireworks.

1308
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 2: Girl, wow she went viral before going viral as, Right she's,

1309
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 2: Like i'm in this.

1310
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 3: Too but in the, end the investigators Conclude roberto's gash

1311
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 3: was self. Inflicted, ack what did he like hit his

1312
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 3: head on the ground or. Something, basically he saw the

1313
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 3: flare drop and then he opportunistically was like he basically

1314
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 3: was going to injure, himself and then basically he thought

1315
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 3: the flare is the perfect excuse to be. Injured but

1316
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 3: basically he doesn't talk about any of. This he keeps

1317
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 3: his mouth. SHUT, fifa which is the international football governing,

1318
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 3: body Declares chile the match losers and Advances brazil to

1319
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 3: the nineteen Ninety World, cup and then months, later after,

1320
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 3: INVESTIGATING fifa Hands roberto a lifetime ban from. Competition the

1321
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 3: Team chile has fined thirty one thousand dollars and that's

1322
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 3: how much in today's, money.

1323
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 2: Fifty six dollars eighty thousand.

1324
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 3: Dollars, yeah so Basically roberto finally has to come clean

1325
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 3: and he reveals he slashed himself with a razor blade

1326
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 3: that he'd hidden in his goalie glows shit before the match.

1327
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 3: Began what he's just waiting for a moment to do.

1328
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 3: This he basically had a backup so that in case

1329
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 3: it was, needed this could take. Place because they knew,

1330
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 3: that you, know like the dirty play was going to.

1331
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 3: Happen anything could. Happen they had to be. Ready idea got,

1332
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 3: it but.

1333
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 2: You ended up being the dirty player and bad.

1334
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 3: Dirty he basically says that the idea of doing this

1335
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 3: was like an insurance policy idea that was lingering in his,

1336
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 3: head or even an escape patch to Get chile out

1337
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 3: of matches that had taken a downward. Turn and he

1338
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 3: didn't act. Alone That chilean head coach and team doctor

1339
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 3: were also in on this.

1340
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 2: Scheme.

1341
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 3: Dude so in an interview, Later roberto tells a newspaper,

1342
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 3: QUOTE i cut myself with a razor and the farce was.

1343
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 3: Discovered it was a cut to my, dignity and this

1344
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 3: all runs under the Headline i'm. Guilty so he genuinely seems,

1345
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 3: remorseful which might explain why in two thousand and, ONE

1346
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 3: fifa rescends that lifetime ban And Roberto roja goes on

1347
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 3: to coach goalies in of all, Places, brazil shit shepherding

1348
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 3: a new generation of soccer, players and later he becomes

1349
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 3: a well known sports pundit In South. America despite, everything

1350
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 3: he's in his sixties. Now he is a beloved sports

1351
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 3: legend In. Chile he's a hero to many fans In brazil.

1352
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 3: Too he lives, there he coaches. There his Wife vivian

1353
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 3: has TOLD cnn, quote here In, Brazil roberto has always

1354
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 3: been loved the most important thing For brazilians is that he,

1355
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 3: has in his, interviews come across as a human being

1356
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 3: with a very distinct and good, character and he has

1357
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 3: admitted his guilt and been Forgiven.

1358
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: Yeah take responsibility for your, bullshit and so doubling down

1359
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: with a bunch of fucking.

1360
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 3: Yeah lies and being, like, hey how about we talk

1361
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 3: about the insane pressure that sports puts on the players

1362
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 3: and the staff to win no matter, what at all.

1363
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 2: Costs and that's the story of the Condor Roberto. Rojas.

1364
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah he fucking cut himself like a, wrestler like a,

1365
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: professionals just exactly like how you described. It Ah, yah

1366
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: that's wonder how many like how many times that's actually

1367
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: happened and not gotten found.

1368
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,439
Speaker 3: Out, well what's funny is Too AND i think it's

1369
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 3: also the sweet part of The World cup having such a,

1370
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 3: profound beautiful effect on this country is we can celebrate

1371
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 3: and enjoy sports without being emotionally invested right, therefore without

1372
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 3: beating the shit out of the opposing teams fans in

1373
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 3: the parking lot or something like, that and instead enjoy

1374
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 3: like the show of the show and, suddenly you, know

1375
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 3: and maybe it's too, general BUT i think it's true

1376
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 3: For american male. Culture you get to be there and

1377
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 3: enjoy the fun and the partying and the drinking and

1378
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 3: the hooha without turning a bus over and lighting it

1379
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 3: on fire because you just are. Like that's enabling the

1380
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 3: people In, Lawrence kansas to fully support The albanian team

1381
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 3: like they even know what's going. On they're just, like, oh,

1382
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 3: no We're albanians now because you're here practicing in our. Town,

1383
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 3: wow it's really. Lovely BUT i mean, this the other

1384
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 3: side of sports is that thing where you're just it's

1385
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 3: win no matter, what no matter the, cause no matter

1386
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 3: of the.

1387
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: Cost, yeah for, Sure i'm putting your own pride in

1388
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: whether that team wins or.

1389
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 3: Not how about a little pride and honesty for fuck's?

1390
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 3: Sake why is that so?

1391
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 2: Hard? Wow, well great. Job that was a wild. ONE

1392
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 2: i had never heard that. Before crazy. Right, Yeah, hey

1393
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 2: have you ever done anything like? That let us?

1394
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 3: Know, hey have you ever pulled a razor blade out

1395
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 3: of your goalie glove to make other people feel?

1396
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: Bad write it in at my favorite murder At gmail

1397
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: for our hometown.

1398
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 3: Episodes, Hey karen And, georgia my Name's Stone Cold Steve

1399
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 3: austin And i've pulled a number like this a time or.

1400
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 2: Two, wow great, Job thank. You crazy couple stories, right epic.

1401
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 3: ONE i think this show has a summertime vibe to

1402
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 3: it of, Like, okay you're gonna tell me that.

1403
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 2: Story, Now i'm going to tell you. Something it truly

1404
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with.

1405
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: Anything in the, Meantime i'll take a Bucking martini that.

1406
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 2: Skates. Okay so this.

1407
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 1: Batch of Honking horays is brought to you By.

1408
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 3: Hyundai thank, You.

1409
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 2: Hyundai are you ready to do?

1410
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 4: This?

1411
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:23,600
Speaker 2: Yeah you go.

1412
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: First.

1413
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 3: Okay the title Is horay and it says My horay

1414
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 3: is my sixty three year old. Mother she was raised

1415
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 3: in the mountains Of maine with a high school. Education

1416
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 3: she built a career in a male dominated, field raised

1417
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 3: me after my dad passed away WHEN i was, six

1418
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 3: made sure to take care of my mental health during that.

1419
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 2: Time injured a decades long, Marriage that's how it was.

1420
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 3: Written got, it injured a decades long, marriage and has

1421
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 3: just been promoted to director reporting directly to THE c

1422
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 3: suite of a nationwide. Company she sacrificed so much for

1423
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 3: everyone around her and somehow still managed to raise a

1424
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 3: take no shit. Daughter i'm an awe of her, grit her,

1425
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 3: persistence and this well earned. Accomplishment hooray for the glass ceiling.

1426
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:07,600
Speaker 3: Breaking mama's proud murdering no. Daughter hell, yeah that's a

1427
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 3: hooray to start off.

1428
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 2: With that's.

1429
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: Beautiful this is from McNeil colleen On. Instagram it says

1430
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: my horay is that at age forty, THREE i started

1431
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 1: tap dancing. NICE i had never danced a day before

1432
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: in my.

1433
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 2: Life Signed Gregory.

1434
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 3: Hines that's the oldest JOKE i could possibly AS i get.

1435
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 3: IT i got, congratulations tap, dancer whoever you. Are this

1436
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 3: one is from Slither anne From. Instagram it SAYS i

1437
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 3: stepped into The Atlantic ocean for the first time at age.

1438
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 2: Forty it was. Amazing. Wow, yeah let's go do that right.

1439
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 2: Now The atlantic, says a little further right, way that's.

1440
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:47,679
Speaker 1: Right.

1441
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 2: Okay this, one this one's really. Funny this is from Another.

1442
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: Colleen it, says my horay is that at thirty SEVEN

1443
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: i picked up rock tumbling as a.

1444
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 2: Hobby.

1445
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: NICE i bought my seven years a rock tumbling kit

1446
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: for his birthday last. Summer he lost interest in the

1447
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 1: first few, days But i've been hooked ever. Since my

1448
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 1: husband often gently asked me WHAT i plan to do

1449
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 1: with all these, rocks AND i tell.

1450
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,879
Speaker 2: Him to mind his own. Business. NICE i now.

1451
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: Have two rock tumblers going at all, times lots of polished,

1452
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: rocks and many more waiting to get their. Turn each

1453
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,640
Speaker 1: group of rocks takes between five to eight weeks to.

1454
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 2: Complete and here are some photos of the.

1455
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,919
Speaker 3: Rocks oh my, GOD i think that's a highly valuable

1456
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 3: rock right.

1457
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 4: There with this two rock tumblers, GOING i mean serious.

1458
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 4: Business answer the question your husband asked a very valid, question.

1459
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 2: What are you going to? Do what are you going

1460
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 2: to do with all those?

1461
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 3: Rocks this one is From kendall s from The Fan

1462
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 3: cult And kendall's just. SAYING i took my ten year

1463
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 3: old twins to their first concert And florence and The

1464
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,600
Speaker 3: Machine hell, Yeah, wow that's a huge one for what

1465
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 3: was your first?

1466
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,640
Speaker 1: Concert my first real concert was Trans addiction at The

1467
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: Hollywood Ball.

1468
01:10:54,320 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 3: Okay What my first real concert Was chicago at the Cow.

1469
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 2: Palace a six year old. BUSINESSMAN i was just like a.

1470
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 4: Freshman and then someone's parents got tickets AND i was, like, sure,

1471
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 4: well let's go see a ten man.

1472
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: Band thank you again To hyundai for letting us do

1473
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 1: these honking. Horays we love.

1474
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 2: Them we love. Them we love to celebrate, you stay

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01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:19,600
Speaker 2: sexy and don't get. Murdered good, Night, Elvis do you

1476
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 2: want a? Cookie this has been an exactly right.

1477
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,919
Speaker 1: Production our senior producer Is Molly smith and our associate

1478
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 1: producer Is Tessa.

1479
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 2: Hughes our editor Is Aristotle. Lascevedo this episode was mixed

1480
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:36,759
Speaker 2: By Leona.

1481
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 3: Squalacci our researchers Are mayor McGlashan And Ali.

1482
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,839
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