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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. The FBI says Russia is at it again.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the fastest hour in politics, with word from

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Speaker 1: the agency that foreign actors are using social media to

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Speaker 1: stoke mistrusts in the electoral process, and Vladimir Putin is

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Speaker 1: the most aggressive among them. Sound familiar, year We'll talk

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Speaker 1: with social media expert Jeffrey Blevin from the University of

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati and with Jamil Jaffer, director of the National Security Institute. Later,

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration sending another weaponship into Ukraine, hundreds of

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Speaker 1: Brigadier General Mark Kimmittt and the GOP stands by herschel Walker.

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Speaker 1: Politics contributors Rick Davis and Ginnie Chanzano. So was Donald

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Speaker 1: terminal this morning. FBI sees Putin's hand in sewing division

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Speaker 1: about US mid term voting. Bloomberg News reporting for an

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Speaker 1: actors are using social media to aggravate divisions within the

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Speaker 1: poster child, the most aggressive, as we see the hand

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Speaker 1: of Ladimir Putin again. But the FBI says the Chinese

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Speaker 1: about foreign interference on social media. We're going to explore

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Speaker 1: it with some important voices today, beginning with Jeffrey Blevin's

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Speaker 1: us now, Professor, welcome. You're a social media expert, and

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Speaker 1: so I wonder what did we learn, if anything, in

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Speaker 1: fascinating that the the FBI doesn't see foreign actors like

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Speaker 1: This is a new media story, it's also an election

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Speaker 1: a difference unless we get been a significant amount of ammunition.

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Speaker 1: I know it's difficult to tell the status of the

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Speaker 1: Russian army from here, but as Vladimir Putin is apparently

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Speaker 1: on his heels at the moment in waiting to conscript

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Speaker 1: people from prisons in other places, is it possible general

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Speaker 1: that the Russian army could collapse sooner than experts thing? Oh,

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Speaker 1: I wish that were the case. I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: The Russian army has always been a collection of conscripts,

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Speaker 1: and but this is also the army that won the

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Speaker 1: Second World War. I think as long as he continues

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Speaker 1: to pour troops in very large numbers, he will have

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Speaker 1: enough troops. Even if he needs to be at a

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Speaker 1: five to one advantage, he can provide that well. With

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Speaker 1: that said, winter is coming, and I wonder if you

442
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Speaker 1: can explain the significance of this season to our listeners,

443
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Speaker 1: because time is running out. It's a couple of things. Uh,

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Speaker 1: It's a significant amount of mud, rain and freezing that

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Speaker 1: happens on the grounds inside of Ukraine. It's just like

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Speaker 1: we see in our own country. It's hard to move

447
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Speaker 1: those mechanized vehicles, it's hard to move the artillery pieces.

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Speaker 1: It slows the fight down considerably, and that could be

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Speaker 1: an advantage to Ukraines if they the Ukrainians that they

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Speaker 1: decide to fight hard during that season. But it's really

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Speaker 1: not what we consider the fighting season compared to when

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Speaker 1: the ground is soft, uh, the air is warm, and

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Speaker 1: the troops are a little more motivated to fight during

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Speaker 1: that time to understood. So games that are made in

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Speaker 1: the next two months then are going to be significant

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Speaker 1: as as they're likely to be frozen literally and figuratively

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Speaker 1: for a couple of months after that as we go

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Speaker 1: into the new year. Yeah, I'm I'm less concerned about

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Speaker 1: the weather and more concerned about the logistics that the

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Speaker 1: Ukrainians themselves have. We've gone through an awful lot of food, fuel,

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Speaker 1: repair parts. I don't think we have a good appreciation

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Speaker 1: for the amount of vehicles that the ukra means have

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Speaker 1: themselves lost, So we'll have to see. I think they

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Speaker 1: have at this point run into what we call a

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Speaker 1: culminating point, which means the largest sense that they have

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Speaker 1: will be hard to continue. They may have to rest

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Speaker 1: and refit before one final offensive when the weather gets bad.

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Speaker 1: But I think we'll wait and see. But they cannot

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Speaker 1: continue this pace they've made For the last six weeks.

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Speaker 1: We've heard messages from Russia, and of course, going back

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Speaker 1: to last week the annexation votes that took place. Now

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Speaker 1: a Russian official is warning the US that it's escalating

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Speaker 1: military assistance to Ukraine risks triggering a direct conflict between

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Speaker 1: Russia and NATO. As we consider the possibility of Russia

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Speaker 1: responding to an attack on its territory since it says

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Speaker 1: that it's Russian territory. Are you more concerned now about

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Speaker 1: this escalating for the United States than you were a

478
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Speaker 1: couple of months ago? Oh? I I very much. Do

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Speaker 1: I think that there is a chance of going into

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Speaker 1: an escalatory cycle. Uh. The Ukrainians do not seem to

481
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Speaker 1: have it, had not seemed to have taken an appetite

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Speaker 1: president for what they're requiring. Uh. They keep asking for more,

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Speaker 1: they keep asking for better, they keep asking for longer range. Uh.

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Speaker 1: At some point the Russians are going to say, who

485
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Speaker 1: were really fighting here? Are we fighting? The Ukrainians? Or

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Speaker 1: are we fighting the West? And when Putin's back is

487
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Speaker 1: against the wall, I'm sure his military commanders are saying

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Speaker 1: we need to escalate as well, and I'm concerned that

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Speaker 1: that could potentially trip into the tactical nuclear weapons field.

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Speaker 1: General Mark Kimmitt, retired Brigadier general, former Assistant Secretary of

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Speaker 1: State for Political Military Affairs. It's great to have you

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Speaker 1: backstre and we appreciate your insights. Alright, thanks a lot.

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Speaker 1: As we prepare to reassemble the panel, I should know

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Speaker 1: that the President President Biden did speak about this latest

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Speaker 1: weapons package with President Zelenski today, a phone call that

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Speaker 1: included Vice President Kamala Harris, who also condemned russia Is

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Speaker 1: move to annex parts of eastern and southern Ukraine, President

498
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Speaker 1: Biden promising the U S would quote impose severe costs

499
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Speaker 1: unquote on any person or entity that supports the move.

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Speaker 1: Rick Davis and Jeannie Chanzano are back with us to

501
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Speaker 1: take a quick swing at this story. As one of

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Speaker 1: President Zelenski's closest aids, Rick says that the war will

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Speaker 1: probably be over in months. There are so many different

504
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Speaker 1: opinions on this. Do you tend to believe what the

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Speaker 1: Ukrainians are saying since we were wrong at the beginning. Well, um,

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Speaker 1: I certainly think they are the ones who want to

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Speaker 1: at least believe most Um, they are on the ground,

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Speaker 1: they're seeing the deterioration of the Russian forces, They're seeing

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Speaker 1: the health and well being of their own forces. Um.

510
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Speaker 1: You know, they understand the pinch points of getting um

511
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Speaker 1: this war wage on the front. But look, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think we have to respect what General kimm It

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Speaker 1: was just saying, which is, don't underestimate even a failing

514
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Speaker 1: Russian army to throw more equipment, more personnel into the

515
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Speaker 1: breach and and prolongness. Um. So look, you it would

516
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Speaker 1: be great news if if this could be done, you know,

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Speaker 1: this winter. But I think most of the people we

518
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Speaker 1: heard from earlier this year, we're talking about this war

519
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Speaker 1: waging on for some time to come. Yes, obviously, you know,

520
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Speaker 1: the Ukrainians are outperforming anybody's expectations, and we can only

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Speaker 1: hope that they continue to be successful. When are we

522
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Speaker 1: going to run into a wall on on these weapons shipments? Genie,

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Speaker 1: this has come up a lot of times. We didn't

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Speaker 1: send the bigs because we didn't want to escalate. Now

525
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Speaker 1: Russia says, you keep this going and this is going

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Speaker 1: to turn into a direct conflicts with Russia and NATO. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: exactly what General Kim ended on. And I think it's

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Speaker 1: a very important point. We haven't had a real robust

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Speaker 1: conversation in this country and in the West about what

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Speaker 1: do we do if this escalation occurs, and it very

531
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Speaker 1: well could occur. To his point, stay with us some

532
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Speaker 1: Bloomberg sound on, Rick and Genie come back as we

533
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Speaker 1: turned to the mid terms, and look at this in

534
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Speaker 1: October Surprise. This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. You

535
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Speaker 1: sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Herschel Walker

536
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Speaker 1: is now threatening to sue The Daily Beast after the

537
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Speaker 1: site reported the Georgia Senate candidate once paid for a

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Speaker 1: girlfriend's abortion. This goes back thirteen years, and ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: here we are on the fourth of October with a

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Speaker 1: genuine in October surprise. Whether it makes a difference is

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Speaker 1: a very different question. Now, remember that this race in Georgia,

542
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Speaker 1: herschel Walker Reverend Warnock there within a point right now,

543
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Speaker 1: within a percentage point according to the real clear poll

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Speaker 1: of polls. So must win for control of the Senate.

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Speaker 1: As we hear from the Daily Beast, not only was

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Speaker 1: this an accusation, but there's a seven d dollar check

547
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Speaker 1: that was sent a get well card and the woman

548
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Speaker 1: who has not been identified by the Daily Beast as

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00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: a receipt from the procedure. Uh quick to deny this

550
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: in a written statement herschel Walker, but also went further.

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Speaker 1: They put him on TV within hours of this. His

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00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: statement reads simply, quote, I deny this in the strongest

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Speaker 1: possible terms. Unquote. Herschel Walker appears on the Hannity program

554
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Speaker 1: on Fox News to talk this out. If Hannity starts

555
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: by asking him if he knows this woman, if he

556
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: remembers this woman who has made the accusation. I have

557
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: no no idea, but it is a flight out lie.

558
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: And uh and now you know how important this seat is.

559
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: The seat is very important that they do anything to

560
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: win this seat lie because they want to make it

561
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Speaker 1: by everything else except what the problems that we have

562
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: in this country is okay, necessarily say a lot there,

563
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: but I guess we understand it. He says it's a lie.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he knows this woman or knew

565
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Speaker 1: who this came from. This is again thirteen years ago

566
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Speaker 1: when they're saying this happened. Okay, did you write the check,

567
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Speaker 1: the seven hundred dollar check that was pictured in the story? Well,

568
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: I send money to a lot of people, and that's

569
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: what's so funny. And let's go back to my part.

570
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: You know, I do scholarship for kids. I give money

571
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Speaker 1: to people all the time because I'm always helping people

572
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: because I believe in being generous. God has blessed me

573
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Speaker 1: and I want to bless others. Now we have to

574
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Speaker 1: listen to the words that are being spoken here. He

575
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Speaker 1: did not deny writing the check there right. How about

576
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Speaker 1: the card to get well card? Did you send the

577
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Speaker 1: get well card? And handed? He asked him, Is that

578
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Speaker 1: they've got it open? The picture of the cards open?

579
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Speaker 1: Is that your signature in the card? I haven't seen it,

580
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: but you know I can tell you. I send out

581
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: so many get well, uh send out so much of anything.

582
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: But I can tell you right now, I never asked

583
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Speaker 1: you don't want to get an abortion. I never paid

584
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Speaker 1: for an abortion. And it's a lie. And I'm going

585
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: to continue to fight, you know. Yeah, that's what they won't.

586
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: They want this seat. But right, now they avevanagized me

587
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: even more interesting language. Again there, I never asked anyone

588
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Speaker 1: to get an abortion, which he was technically not accused of,

589
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: and I never paid for anyone to have an abortion.

590
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: That's seven could have been sent after the facts, right,

591
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: we're just trying to actually parse the words. The GOP

592
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: is standing behind Herschel Walker all in as I read

593
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: on the terminal. GOP stands by Walker as he denies

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Speaker 1: paying for abortion. The National Republican Senatorial Committee out with

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Speaker 1: a statement, Chair Rick Scott, this is just like the

596
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Speaker 1: smears they attempted against Brett Kavanaugh and Clarence Thomas, he writes,

597
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: and it will not work. Herschel has denied these allegations,

598
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Speaker 1: and the NRSC and Republicans stand with him, and Georgians

599
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: will stand with him too. Donald Trump issued a statement

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Speaker 1: as well, Herschel Walker being slandered, maligned by fake news media,

601
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Speaker 1: obviously the Democrats. He goes, you could tell this was dictated. Uh,

602
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: it's very important for our country. The Great stated George

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Speaker 1: that Herschel Walker wins this election. Donald Trump writes with

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Speaker 1: all that Herschel has accomplished. When you come from Georgia

605
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Speaker 1: and you see the name herschel Walker when voting, it

606
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: will be very hard to resist. Don't have to unwind

607
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Speaker 1: that for a second. Enter herschel Walker's son. I mean

608
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Speaker 1: this really, We've been around the world already. Today, Christian

609
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: Walker takes to Twitter and he wrote his own tweet.

610
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Speaker 1: It says, I stayed silent for nearly two years as

611
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Speaker 1: my whole life has been lied about publicly. I did

612
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Speaker 1: one campaign event, then said I didn't want involvement. That

613
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Speaker 1: refers to his appearance at marral Lago with his dad,

614
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: don't you dare test my authenticity? And he put a

615
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Speaker 1: video together. I was lie afterly after life. The abortion

616
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Speaker 1: card drops yesterday. It's literally his handwriting in the car.

617
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Speaker 1: They say they have receipts. Whatever he gets on Twitter,

618
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: he lies about it. Okay, I'm done. Okay, we're not though,

619
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Speaker 1: because we have five weeks to go on and we

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Speaker 1: reassemble the panel to talk about Rick Davis and Jeannie

621
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Speaker 1: Chanzano Bloomberg Politics contributors. Aren't you glad you showed up

622
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Speaker 1: for work today? Guys? What are you thinking about this? Rick?

623
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Speaker 1: Damage control? Or does it even matter? People saw this

624
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Speaker 1: and they thought Access Hollywood Tape didn't even make a

625
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: dent really well, uh access Hollywood tape or not, this

626
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Speaker 1: is not the kind of campaign day if your Herschel

627
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Speaker 1: Walker you want to have. No, I'm sure he's gonna

628
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: spend time talking about this instead of beating up his

629
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Speaker 1: opponent on inflation, which is what he wants to do.

630
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Speaker 1: And so the question is does he right his ship

631
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Speaker 1: and stop talking about this before the end of the

632
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Speaker 1: week or is it still in the next week. And

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Speaker 1: you know what does his son Christian Walker continue to

634
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Speaker 1: say on Twitter that could elevate this And uh so, look,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's it's a really bad day for him.

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Speaker 1: That being said, he's had a great summer and you know,

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Speaker 1: from anybody's stretch, the imagination he's overperforming. Um, you know

638
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Speaker 1: for a first time Canada in a in a in

639
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 1: a tough election. So um, I think this is gonna

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Speaker 1: be one of the most hotly watch races in the country. U.

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Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell needs this race to become majority leader and

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Speaker 1: he's certainly pouring significant amounts of money into the state

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Speaker 1: to do it. And they're not likely to walk away

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Speaker 1: from this because then he'd be walking away from his

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Speaker 1: majority leader. That's the Senate, right, So, and you just

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Speaker 1: that's really important, Rick. Not only is he endorsed by

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, who's clearly defending him, but the leadership Mitch McConnell,

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Speaker 1: as I just read Rick Scott, you've got everyone behind

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Speaker 1: herschel Walker from this party, Genie, what do you make

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Speaker 1: of that as a Democrat? And can you beat a

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Speaker 1: reverend when you're being accused of something like this? And

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Speaker 1: by the way, it's not what was done as much

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Speaker 1: as owing that he was an anti abortion activist and

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Speaker 1: was ready to sign on to Lindsay Grahamsville. Yeah. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's so many aspects of this. This is a horrific

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Speaker 1: day for the Republicans because, let's not forget they are

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Speaker 1: in the brink. It looks likely of losing Pennsylvania. That

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Speaker 1: means they've got to win one of these blue states

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Speaker 1: as Arizona, New Hampshire slip away. It's Georgia and Nevada,

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Speaker 1: and it's looking like this is a repeat of all

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Speaker 1: over again with Donald Trump's handprint on it. Georgia looks

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Speaker 1: like it is moving in the wrong direction. Rick's right,

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Speaker 1: he had a pretty good end of the summer, but

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Speaker 1: it is all sort of blown up, and I think

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Speaker 1: the son's taping of those statements, and we don't know

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Speaker 1: how much more Christian Walker has to come out and

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Speaker 1: say incredibly damaging. The GOP has no choice except to

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Speaker 1: accept this. There's five weeks to go. They can't do

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Speaker 1: anything if he stays in this race. They've got to

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Speaker 1: stay with him. So this is where we are. And Democrats,

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Speaker 1: I think are doing the right thing. They're not saying

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Speaker 1: too much. I thought warnox reaction to this was spot on.

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Speaker 1: He basically said, I'll let the pundits talk about this.

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Speaker 1: I support a woman's right to choose keep the government

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Speaker 1: out of their bedrooms and out of their health care.

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Speaker 1: At the hypocrisy of this is that herschel Walker has

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Speaker 1: a no exceptions view on abortion, no exception for the

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Speaker 1: health of the woman, no exception in the case of

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Speaker 1: rape or incest. That's where he stands, and his defense

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Speaker 1: last night and so far has been incredibly weak. Rick,

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Speaker 1: would you put him on TV a couple hours after

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Speaker 1: this came out like what happened last night? Probably not. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not the kind of thing you want

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Speaker 1: to try to elevate. I wouldn't have had any cuts

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Speaker 1: to play. If he hadn't done that, yeah, I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: about that. You should still would have had a really

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Speaker 1: incredible that's true Twitter account for Christian Walker. But the

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Speaker 1: bottom line is, if you know it's he's well known

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Speaker 1: on his positions, he's not gonna do anything but sort

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Speaker 1: of just add another day to the debate. If if

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Speaker 1: if he if he doesn't go on, then the question

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Speaker 1: is why doesn't he answer these charges? And he'll say, hey,

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Speaker 1: I issued a statement. So the one thing you don't

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Speaker 1: want to do is actually give it more oxygen uh

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Speaker 1: than it's going to get on its own. And and

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Speaker 1: voters are gonna have a lot of time to think

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Speaker 1: about this five weeks as an eternity in a campaign,

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Speaker 1: and this is not going to go away anytime soon.

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Speaker 1: But the last thing to Walker campaign should be doing

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Speaker 1: is adding to it. Genie points out they've got a

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Speaker 1: debate coming up a couple of ways that the fourteenth Genie,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be wild. I believe it is, and it

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Speaker 1: is scheduled. If it goes for it, it is going

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Speaker 1: to be excite to see. I believe it is the

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Speaker 1: only debate that they have scheduled so far, So it

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Speaker 1: is going to be no holds barred down there as

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Speaker 1: as these two, you know, face off against each other

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Speaker 1: and voters get a chance to see them face to

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Speaker 1: face and to hear how some of this is explained

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Speaker 1: because the moderators are surely going to press him on

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Speaker 1: this issue. And many others check this out. This is

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Speaker 1: the part of the Trump statement I didn't read. Interestingly.

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Speaker 1: He writes, I've heard many horrible things about his opponent,

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Speaker 1: Raphael Warnock, things that one should be talking about. So

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Speaker 1: we don't now. I don't know if he's implying that

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Speaker 1: he takes the high road here, Rick, But are we

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Speaker 1: about to get an APO dump on the Reverence? Well,

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Speaker 1: I would be surprised that the state media hasn't already

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Speaker 1: gotten an APO dump on on the Reverend. And I'm

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Speaker 1: sure that have you heard about what he's referring to?

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Speaker 1: You know, Look, there were there were these kinds of

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Speaker 1: sort of whispers in the last campaign, right. And the

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Speaker 1: thing that people you know are probably gonna start to

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Speaker 1: figure out is Warnock has already had one vetting. Right,

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Speaker 1: He's been through an entire campaign, and and and he

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Speaker 1: made it out alive. And he's a United States senator

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Speaker 1: herschel Walker hasn't had that vetting right, and so he's

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Speaker 1: getting it right now. And the reality is, if I'm

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Speaker 1: the campaign of herschel Walker, I just stick to my

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Speaker 1: message and start talking about, you know, the financial problems

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Speaker 1: that the American public is having because of high inflation

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Speaker 1: rates and not talking about black boxes that they're gonna

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Speaker 1: open in Pandora is gonna come spilling out all over

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Speaker 1: warnut Right? Uh? Does does the Walnut campaign give Christian

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Speaker 1: Walker a call maybe doing evenge Ginnie? Or am I

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Speaker 1: pushing it too far? I would not. If I was,

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Speaker 1: then i'd, you know, let like he said, the pundits

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Speaker 1: handle it. He focuses on the issues that he cares about,

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Speaker 1: and there are many. It's only October fourth, How many

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Speaker 1: surprises can we take? This is Bloomberg