1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called me Ben. 6 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: We're joined as always with our superproducer Alexi's codenamed Doc 7 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, 8 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you 9 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: to know. It's that time of the week, folks. We're 10 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: going to have some guests over in an indirect way, 11 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: and you may be one of those guests. Dear fellow 12 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: conspiracy realist. We are going to have We're gonna have 13 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: an opportunity to talk about some shady FEMA exercises. Got 14 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: multiple shout outs to a lot of people who are 15 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: very concerned about a dystopian evil bill. They almost came 16 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: to fruition in Massachusetts. Can't wait to scare scare ourselves 17 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: with that one. And before we do any of that, 18 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: let's talk eggs. Because we had so many great responses 19 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: from our eggspiracy episode and it was one of those 20 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: things where we hit a nerve, I think in a 21 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: very good way, because we did our best to present 22 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: the facts of what is being proposed as a conspiracy 23 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 1: theory and how it spreads on social media. We asked 24 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: for We had one correction with m RNA and we 25 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: handled that in another episode, and then we had a 26 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: ton of people writing to us from the US and 27 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: abroad who have been raising chickens for a fairly short 28 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: amount of time or for very long time, and everything 29 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: you were saying agreed with what we were talking about 30 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: and confirmed it for us. Regarding the intervening variables we 31 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: called them, but the natural cycle of laying eggs. So 32 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: that made mighty for sure, I mean, and there were 33 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: multiples that we discussed that we were kind of just 34 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: conjecturing a little bit based on what we kind of do, know, 35 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: you know, from like science class in school. But it 36 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: turns out, you know, if you maybe caught our social 37 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: media video or I'm cowering in the background of a 38 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: chicken coop while Matt bravely, in my humble estimation, interviewed 39 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: a chicken, he called himself a chicken dad. I think 40 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: about just the kind of a natural cycle of laying habits, 41 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 1: laying you know behavior, And he pointed out that chickens 42 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: spend a good portion of this particular period that where 43 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: all of this egg expiracy stuff have been reported molting, 44 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: and that when they molt aka shed feathers and grow 45 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: new ones, that is like bodily energy. Again, I'm not 46 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: a chicken scientist here. That's being used instead for that 47 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: process instead of laying eggs. And we had a really 48 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: kind of confirming email response to that from Barefooted Cowgirl. 49 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: Subject of the email eggs starting off Barefoot Cowgirl here, 50 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: chickens always back off laying in the winter, which is 51 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: what we are in the midst of One factor is daylight. 52 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: I always left a heat light on over the water, 53 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: which served to keep the water wet when it got 54 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: cold and also provided more light, so they laid more eggs. 55 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: But they naturally lay fewer in the winter. I am 56 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: sure temperatures are part of it too. The price of 57 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: eggs goes up in the winter, then spring comes, days 58 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: are longer, and buy Easter eggs are dirt cheap in 59 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: the stores. Maybe these new backyard chicken owners don't know this. 60 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: We had avian flu here and it takes a few 61 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: months for chicks to mature and begin laying. If you 62 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: kill a few million chickens, it's going to take a 63 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: few months to get production back to scale, and there 64 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: aren't enough eggs in the system to replace millions of 65 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: layers all at once. I went to Walmart I do 66 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: that about once a year last summer, and the entire 67 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,679 Speaker 1: egg shelf was bare. My locally owned, regular grocery store 68 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: always had eggs, though different suppliers, different customer behavior, not 69 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: my field of expertise. I am sure large poultry farms 70 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: are developing better avian flu precautions. Chicken farms are hatching eggs, 71 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,679 Speaker 1: and chickies are maturing, and the days are getting longer. 72 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: The price will go down soon. Not to say there 73 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: wasn't some opportunistic price gouging. Ding ding ding. Also, chickens 74 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: use a crop to digest feed, and you need to 75 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: feed them something like gravel, oyster shell or egg shell 76 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: so they can digest grain. Sounds weird, but they need it. 77 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: Spring is coming BFCG Barefoot Cowgirl. This is adding to 78 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: the perspective that we already just kind of went over. 79 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: But I think the takeaway here is that a lot 80 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: of this alarmism is manufactured, whether for political reasons or 81 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: the kind of news cycle reasons we were talking before, 82 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: like giving creating a problem to blame on the opposition. Maybe, 83 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: but it would seem to me, based on what we 84 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: talked about with our chicken dad and what Barefoot Cowgirl 85 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: has to say here, that these are very natural ebbs 86 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: and flows to the laying cycle. I think so, at 87 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: least that's one of the things that I've seen. We 88 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: keep getting messages like this the confirm it. Can I 89 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: tell you my big takeaway from this message? Oh yeah, guys. 90 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: It's the thing we've talked about in the past. Recently 91 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: because of Christmas two economic motivation for large scale holidays. 92 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: Barefoot Cowgirl talked about during Easter. That's like, all the 93 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: way up into Easter, that's when the most eggs are 94 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: being laid. So how do we sell all those eggs? 95 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: We connect them to a holiday where families are going 96 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: to buy way more eggs than they normally would to consume. Pumpkins, turkeys, seals. 97 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: That's that's what's up. I'm sorry, that's all. That's only 98 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: what's interesting. You say that meant that hit me because 99 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: one of the reasons I sound a punchy on some 100 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: recent recordings was because I was I was traveling and 101 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: a lot of that time was in Japan, and it 102 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: hit me how that country is so efficient with that. 103 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: Every town has like a special festival right or region, 104 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: and they have you know, specific agricultural products, often where 105 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: it's like known, you go here and you buy this 106 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: this time because they're in season. And I was thinking, 107 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: how brilliant that is economically. It's weird because I kind 108 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: of cast I've cast dispersion on it in the past. 109 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: We're talking about us stuff, you know, like, oh, this 110 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: holiday is just made up to make sure that Company 111 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: A sells a bunch of greeting cards. I don't think 112 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: anybody has a hard time guessing who Company A is 113 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: in that regard. But right, but it seemed like we 114 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: had a thing in my esophagus. No, no, no, you know, 115 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: the the organic human vocalizations we do on this show, 116 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: they're kind of a hallmark of stuff. They don't want 117 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: a bit of a harbinger and you can find them 118 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: at Wallmart and so's it's strange, and you know you 119 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: see this in other countries and cultures too. Right. The 120 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: thing about this is all the letters that we received, 121 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: which were excellent, were ten tended to point out, as 122 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: you said, in all some commonalities, and one of those. 123 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: One of those commonalities was the conspiracy. That we found 124 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: most plausible in the expiracy episode was the idea of 125 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: price gouging as barefoot cow girls says opportunistic actors. And 126 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: about ninety percent some of the letters we got, we're 127 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: people saying yes, pointing out the weather, pointing out molting 128 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: and things like that, and then often toward the end 129 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,239 Speaker 1: of their letters they were saying, and yeah, price gauging 130 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: totally because I don't remember I told you guys, but 131 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: I think I did. But when I was out of 132 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: the US, price gauge and eggs not a thing like whatsoever. 133 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: You know. We also found, I think that with the 134 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: you know, during the pandemic, it become it became much 135 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: more popular to keep chickens in your backyard as an 136 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: like a family right or as an individual keeping just 137 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: a small group of chickens for egg laying purposes. It 138 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: was more popular. So so I'm imagining there are more 139 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: less experienced people keeping chickens. So then when you know, 140 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: the new season comes around and it's the first time 141 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: you've gone through that season with your new chickens. Maybe 142 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: you literally just don't know some of these basic facts 143 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: that some of the veterans know. Yeah. No, that's a 144 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: great point, and it also made me wonder. Uh actually 145 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: a few of our fellow conspiracy realists bought this. Up 146 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: to that NOL they talked about baking bread. That was 147 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: another big habit. But it had that Internet backlash pretty quickly. 148 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: You know, people are going on Twitter or whatever and saying, 149 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:24,239 Speaker 1: if I see one more person baking bread bread? But uh, 150 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: but I have to ask, did you guys, did you 151 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: guys ever consider raising chickens or have you never baked 152 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: a chicken? In my life? You've baked tons of chicken. 153 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I've baked a chicken. I've not baked a bread. 154 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: And I would not consider raising chicken much and good day, 155 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: sir that it would bring me personally. Toriend used to, 156 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: did I tell you my girlfriend raised chickens in her 157 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: previous life and she had Martha and Snoop where her 158 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: where he her, like roosters or whatever. You It wouldn't 159 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: make her really happy. I just would not be a 160 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: You know what though, It's it's like boiling a crab, 161 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: you know where, Like, if you do it gradually, maybe 162 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: I would. I could go from standing in that pen 163 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: with you to eventually watering and feeding the chickens and 164 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: not even being scared anymore. No, dude, you'd be sitting 165 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: cross lego with them. And just what I grew I 166 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: grew up interacting with with lots of animals, and chickens 167 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: were some of those. And I think the thing that 168 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: got me the most was it was a rite of passage, 169 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: and I was probably too young for this was a 170 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: rite of passage to have to kill one in processing. Yeah, 171 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: and that changed. That changed the way I looked at it. 172 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: So maybe psychologically for you, that could be um an 173 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: inflection moment and you'll realize that you do have the 174 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: power in that relationship. No, you're not You're not right. No, 175 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you're totally right. A lot of childhood fears, 176 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: or like deep seated fears, they only remain that and 177 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: things that actually affect you because you don't address them 178 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: head on. And I think most people would be surprised 179 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: at how able they are to get past those fears. 180 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: But they're so used to the stasis of that fear 181 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: that they don't bother ever like testing it, you know, 182 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I I hear you, man, and I'm fully 183 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: aware that there's some rubicons that I simply could not cross, 184 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: Like the sentenes Asia stuff just makes touching metal and 185 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: cardboard insane. And I'm never gonna get I'm never gonna 186 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: get over it because I can't kill it like a chicken. 187 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: You know, I can stomp on the box. Well yeah right, 188 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: I've lost countless wishing well opportunities because I'm like, yeah, 189 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: oh you do it. But the but the egg thing. Also, 190 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: I think it brings us to something we surprisingly didn't 191 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: talk about much on expiracy, which was the importance of 192 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: self sufficiency. That's the motivation that a lot of people had. 193 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: And you know, it wasn't too long ago in this 194 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: country when many people in the United States were raising 195 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: chickens or had garden plots on their home, not because 196 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: they thought it was a cool hobby to flex on Instagram. 197 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: It's because they had to do it to survive. And 198 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: civilization is never as far away from that moment as 199 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: a lot of people in power want it to appear, right, 200 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: because you want stability and safety. So I like we've 201 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: talked in the past about things people have done to 202 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: pursue self sufficiency. Not even crazy get off the grid stuff, 203 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: but things like I'm going to have a rain barrel. 204 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: It'll help with irrigation, and they've still run up across 205 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: like municipalities that say, no, you can't still the water. 206 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: What are you nestlely? Oh well yeah, even like having 207 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 1: you know, going solar, you know, you have to kind 208 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: of get permission to do that. And then there are 209 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: programs where you kind of like, I mean, I know, 210 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: this is technically a benefit to those that have the 211 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's like a tax right offer to them. 212 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: But you can sell excess power back to the grid, 213 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: I believe, But you still can't just do it in 214 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: a vac. You might be able to quote unquote get 215 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: off the grid, but you're still part of the grid, 216 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, yeah, they once you plugged in. But 217 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: which is the most paranoid sounding thing we said the 218 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: show recently, But but we don't think that's true. Yeah, 219 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: it's tough to fell at this point. But it also 220 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: makes me really curious and something I think our our 221 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:27,359 Speaker 1: fellow listeners can share here is what are some simple 222 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: self sufficiency tips that you know of that won't break 223 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 1: the bank, won't get you in court, won't make you 224 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: seem crazy. You know, it could be. It can be 225 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: little stuff like how much food do you have on hand? 226 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: Or you know, what's your bugout plant? Well, that gets 227 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: some people might say that's crazy, Matt saying, no, responsible, 228 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: it's responsible. We already talked about this guy's the bugout 229 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: bag in the trunk looks like a murder kit when 230 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: a police officer opens your trunk. Also, just maybe rebrand 231 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: it bug out bag that this sounds a little on 232 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: the crazy side. If we called it preparedness satchel, perhaps 233 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: that would that would be a little better. Voye scout bundle. 234 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: There you go. Yes, thank you, you win. No, it's 235 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: not a contest. We gotta be ready. It's always it 236 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: is a contest where not playing but the but the 237 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: the idea. Yeah, Matt, No, that is a good point. 238 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: You have to have things in there that in the wrong. 239 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: You know what it's like seeing somebody buy stuff at 240 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: a grocery store and watching their little items go down 241 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: the line and starting to build a backstory about them. 242 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: The only thing that makes going to the grocery store 243 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: like fun and relatively not crazy making you know. Yeah, yeah, 244 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. I like going into grocery stores that 245 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: are specific to a community or specific to a type 246 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: of like generally acknowledge diet, you know, like we've got 247 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: great grocery store here, like Farmers Markets and h Mart 248 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I like walking into those places 249 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: just on vibes. You know. I'm saying this mainly speaking 250 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: for people like my partner who can't stand going. I 251 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: go four times a week for fun, because I like to, 252 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: you know, buy for a recipe, you know, not just 253 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: stock up for the winter. Oh I'm getting fresh rus 254 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: every I'm going to use it tonight, I feel so 255 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: you repeat, Yeah, I was Honestly, if I buy too 256 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: much at one time, most of it will go bad. 257 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that is just how my brain works. I 258 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: guess we should bring it back to eggs. What other 259 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: what non chicken eggs are people messing with our EMUs 260 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: in the mix? Is they're already considered probably an exotic egg. Yeah, 261 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: because we talked about even on the episode. You can 262 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: you can find quail eggs at your local publics or 263 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: Kroger or whatever. The you know, the equivalent of that 264 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: is in your neck of the woods. Um, and that 265 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: would not have been the case years ago. That would 266 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: have been exclusively in the realm of like you know, 267 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: bespoke kind of like a specialty food stores. Duck eggs. 268 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: Duck eggs, Yeah, I love and a duck egg. Oh 269 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: you know what I saw? I actually this is actually 270 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: really appropriate. I saw a thing on Instagram. There are 271 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: egg buffets in Japan, yes, for raw eggs, and you 272 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: will get these eggs that are just like almost entirely yoke. 273 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: And some of them are like, you know, chickens that 274 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: are fed with like yuzu fruit and different peels and 275 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: things like that, and it makes the egg taste like fruity, 276 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: and you don't cook it. It's raw over rice. And 277 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: that's the whole deal, the whole bit, man, No, thank you, well, 278 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: it's how you raise them. Anyway. Well, that's the thing 279 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: that whatever happened to concerns about salmonella, have those has 280 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: gone out the window, because now it seems like people 281 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: are you know, undercooking eggs and that's all just fine 282 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: and dandy. Whatever happened to concerns about salmonella, I think 283 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: the pandemic just took up that mental space in people's heads, 284 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, like the part of you that worries about sickness. 285 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: It's like, forget the flu, Forget Samon, salmon ella, you know, 286 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: which was always a confusing name. Anyway, don't forget salmon. 287 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 1: You can't. They're a hardcore They swim upstream. I can't 288 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: even do that, can you. Listener? I think we need 289 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: to move on the next segment, guys. I think so 290 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: we'll take a quick break here, a word from our sponsor, 291 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: and then come back with more messages from you, and 292 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: we are back. We are heading into some darker waters 293 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: with a lot of people to think too many name. 294 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: In fact, I don't know about you, guys, but I 295 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: knew this story popped and actually made a note about 296 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: it a while back because I think we didn't get 297 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 1: to it. But woke up at sunset and there were 298 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: all these messages from people who were incredibly freaked out 299 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: to find the following story was real. It's very dystopian. 300 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: It hasn't happened, just so you know, just to take 301 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: mental care for everybody. What you're about to hear is 302 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: didn't pass yet, but in late January there was a 303 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: bill proposed in the state of Massachusetts, which is commonly 304 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: thought to be a pretty progressive state, and this bill 305 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: said that if you were a prisoner in Massachusetts, you 306 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: can get time off your prison sentence by donating your organs. 307 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: It's cool. Yeah, well, in advance of your demise or 308 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: like in the plea bargain. Yeah, you know, ten years 309 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: up the river or three years in a kidney. No, 310 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's people who are already 311 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: in prison, was the idea? No? No, I mean donating 312 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: your organs in advance of dying. Yes? Ok? Are we 313 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: just talking kidneys here? What other organs can be harvested 314 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: in the narrow really narrow? Yeah? Yeah, And right now, 315 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: the Federal Bureau of Prison says that prisoners anywhere in 316 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: the US can donate organs while incarcerated, but only to 317 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: immediate family members. You know. The concern being that there 318 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: were a red market would grow up if people were 319 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: allowed to do it for money. This just take a 320 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: moment to say how red market is just so gross sounding. Yeah, 321 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: it's like black market means the illegal trade. Red market 322 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: means trading in guts. Yes, yeah, and we've got episodes 323 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: on that. You can also check out our YouTube videos 324 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,719 Speaker 1: on that. It's disturbing stuff. It's very true, and it 325 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: occurs in horrific ways across the planet. You can find 326 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: communities where an incredibly high amount of people in maybe 327 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: a very impoverished village in South Asia have donated their 328 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: kidneys for a very small amount of money, and it 329 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: has become somewhat normalized. Yeah, donated being sort of a 330 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: loaded term there, right. Yeah. As ever, and we already 331 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: know that there are prison systems that have problems with 332 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: organ donation. The one that gets the most news in 333 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: the US is China and its subjugation of minorities in 334 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: that country. And there are you know, and you look 335 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: at Falungong and they say that just for practicing their 336 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: belief system members have had their organs forcibly taken. This 337 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: bill is called HD three eight two two you can 338 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: look it up now, and act to establish the Massachusetts 339 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: Incarcerated Individual, Bone, Marrow and Organ Donation Program. Again, this 340 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: did not pass. This is not We're not okay dystopian yet, 341 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: but check out how problematic this is, taking like prison 342 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: labor to like a new extreme. Wouldn't you say? Yes, Yeah, 343 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: it's taking prison labor to a new extreme and it 344 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: might be a harbinger of things to come check how 345 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: problematic this is. And there is a response to everybody 346 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: who took the time to reach out about this. The 347 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: whole operation would have been headed by like each case 348 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: would have been handled by a five member bone marrow 349 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: an organ donation committee. Only one person on that committee 350 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: is a prisoner's rights advocate. And this committee decides how 351 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: much time of your life an organ donation is worth. 352 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: So at the low end, you could donate like some 353 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: bone marrow and get a couple months off your sentence. 354 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a fair deal. No, is 355 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 1: it like tiered? Do you get more for bone marrow 356 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: versus kidney? Do you get more for two for like? 357 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you can't. You can't donate both? 358 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: Can you? Can you donate both kidneys? You can't? Right, 359 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: you'll die without any kidneys. Let's you know what let's standing. 360 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: I think it's mine too, just making sure let's check. 361 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 1: Um no, okay, cool? That was my thinks A good presumption, 362 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: you know, and actually donating organ parts, as we know 363 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 1: from that time, I was trying to give away one 364 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: of my eyes. Donate while you're alive, not to a 365 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: family member, and just because you want to raise some 366 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: serious red flags in the medical community. Right, giving blood 367 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: is fine, you know, um, donating your hair is fine. 368 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: But when you get to when you get to the 369 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: other bits, people start to ask questions. And this law. 370 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: The good news is, folks, that this law was probably 371 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: not going to pass anyway. A lot of nonprofits and 372 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: policy wonks were weighing in and saying, this is probably 373 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: going to be considered a violation of federal law because 374 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: of Congress's National Organ Transplant Act in nineteen eighty four 375 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: that makes it a crime to quote knowingly acquire, receive, 376 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: or otherwise transfer any human organ for valuable consideration for 377 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: use in human transplantation. So valuable consideration like a hundred 378 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: daily days office sentence. I see what you're saying, Yes, yeah, yes, yes. 379 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 1: And then other people like people are coming from all 380 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: directions about this, not just prison rights advocates or nonprofits. 381 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: ABC pointed out that prisoners have tend to have a 382 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: much higher group incidence of HIV, AIDS, hepatitis, tuberculosis even 383 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 1: and so their organs might not be safe to transplant. 384 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: I mean, presumably they would be tested, but we have heard, 385 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,719 Speaker 1: haven't we heard of cases maybe more in the past, 386 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: of people getting say, blood transfusions that had not been 387 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: tested and were infected with some or multiple of those 388 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: things you're just talking about. And here's a twist. The 389 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: bill's two sponsors were both Democratic state representatives, Carlos Gonzalez 390 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: and Judith Garcia of Springfield and Chelsea, respectively, and they 391 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: had a different rationale on this, And Garcia in particular 392 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: was on Twitter saying the issue is that there is 393 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: currently in Massachusetts no path to oregan or bone marrow donation, 394 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: even for relatives. So like, even if you are incarcerated 395 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: and you have a relative who could have a potentially 396 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: life saving transplantation, then Massachusetts wouldn't allow it to happen. 397 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: So that's where Garcia is coming from, and that's and 398 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: Gonzalez also related a personal story. He said he has 399 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: a friend who was hospitalized waiting to have dialysis three 400 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: to four times a week while he's in line for 401 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: a kidney transplant. He's a father of three children. He 402 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: has stage four kidney failure. I'm thinking that this legislation 403 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: can save lives, right, even if there are some ethical 404 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,479 Speaker 1: quandaries to say, the least bundled up in there. I 405 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: don't know, though, what what do you guys think about this? 406 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't seem like the right move right 407 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: now in my mind instead of this, well, I don't know. Look, 408 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: I'm not here to give the prison system answers for 409 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: what they need to be doing, right, but it does 410 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: feel like there's already so much labor going on in prisons, right, 411 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: you could somehow incentivize through the labor and with actual 412 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: money that is waiting for you at the end of 413 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: your sentence, or something like real a real paycheck that 414 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: just you have to wait until your sentence is over. 415 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: It's like a pot that you accrue, right or something 416 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: like that. That feels like way better, a much better 417 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 1: way of incentivizing somebody to better themselves in some way 418 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: however they can. However, it's possible while within the system, right, 419 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: because I know that's a much easier said than done. 420 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: But use that incentivizations instead of giving away some organs 421 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: because we need a few more kidneys into or you 422 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: know bone marrow. Well yeah, yeah, well said, I mean 423 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: we shot through organ brokers. Though, who who who profits 424 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: from this? The people who receive the transplantations. Yeah, but 425 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: I mean there's no money changing hands. Like we know 426 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: about body brokers. We did that whole episode on that, 427 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: So I tend to assume when prisons outsourced labor from 428 00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 1: prison population labor, somebody is benefiting from that. Yeah, we 429 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: absolutely have to do an episode on prison labor and 430 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: we prospers. Yes. Yeah. And the twist here we're talking 431 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: about the money, right, is that if a bill like 432 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: this passes, let's game it out. Is it possible that 433 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: legislators could be incentivized to impose harsher sentences? Would it help? 434 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: But judge add a little bit on to a sentence 435 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: to say, you know, this incentivizes bone marrow transplant I'm 436 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: saving lives, you know, I'm giving you a chance to 437 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: help for the greater good. Wow. Yeah, there's a non 438 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: zero likelihood of that happening shortly after a program like 439 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: this comes into play. Yeah, I mean you could also 440 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: start arresting people for terrorism, so arrested activist. You know 441 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: it has, It's worked for other governments in the past. Right, 442 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: you need to you know, fresh supply of of some bits, 443 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: some human bits. Uh, WHOA, I just got an image 444 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: of you know, because we're in the midst of World 445 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: War three. Obviously we had some some pretty intense announcements 446 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: from both the United States and Russia. UH as World 447 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: War three continues to UH to start. I guess is 448 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: how you would say it. I just imagined prison systems 449 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: being used as the blood supplies for troops, Like instead 450 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: of donating bone marrow, it's just donating blood bags like 451 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: a mad max my blood boy. Oh no, that was 452 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: actually from Silicon Valley. You're right about blood, but I'm 453 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: saying there was like a thing with Gavin whatever his 454 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: name is, who Procana was like the you know Mark 455 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: Zuckerberg stand in. He had like a dude, a young, 456 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: virile man who would just hang out with him and 457 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: do transfusions. And he was blood boys. What else could 458 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: you donate? Partial liver? Probably donates skin right for skin graphs, 459 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: but sixty days to a year or so office sentence, 460 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: it just it seems like it opens a really dangerous door. So, 461 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: regardless of what your philosophy is, your perspective is on 462 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: the US prison system and all its problems and the 463 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: huge problems with organ donations in knowing how many people 464 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: need organs to live and they're just not going to 465 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: get them in time. Whatever your perspective is on that, 466 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: I think we can all agree that this is very bad. 467 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: And if stuff like this passes, ever, then it sets 468 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: a precedent, right, and if it survives for a little while, 469 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: then it becomes normalized, and it starts to occur in 470 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: other parts of the country, And then it gets to 471 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, and depending on the mood of the 472 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: Ring Grace that afternoon, it may become federal law. Right. No, no, 473 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: thank you, no, thank you? Oh my god, guys, then 474 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: it becomes donate your eye, and we have this exchange 475 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: program to where you're going to benefit. You know, this 476 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: person who needs an eye transplant, a new eye, and you, inmate, 477 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: you lucky you. You get to try out this brand 478 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: new ocular implant that's being developed by Meta. We're going 479 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: to test it. Well, it's not like we haven't seen that. 480 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: We were just on my Mamma told me talking about 481 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: human experimentation and how that was absolutely a thing in 482 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: the past, and that was usually involving you know, underrepresented 483 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: communities and groups. Who's more underrepresented than prison populations. Is 484 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: it outside of the realm of possibility that these types 485 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: of things will just keep going further and further and 486 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: further unchecked. I mean, it's always, it's always a possibility. 487 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: This thing had luckily been oh what's the political phrase 488 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: these it'd been walked back right after enormous public outcry. 489 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: But it also leads us to another question. If you 490 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: are incarcerated and you have the ability through a organ donation, 491 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: bone marrow, transplanter, what have you, you have the ability 492 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: to save a relative, then shouldn't you be allowed to 493 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: do so? Honestly, I think the main issue for this, 494 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of folks, myself included, is 495 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: the faustium bargain of it, the transactional nature, you know. 496 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: And then maybe there's the I'll say it too, you 497 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: could write laws differently that could result in some people 498 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: who shouldn't be out of prison getting out and saying, 499 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: I just have the one kidney, but that's all I 500 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: need to burn a house, you know. I mean that's 501 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: a hypothetical thing. Sorry, hashtag not all arsonists or whatever 502 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: you do? You guys think this kind of legislation that, 503 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: if actually scrutinized, is just abhorrent to you know, a 504 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: rationally thinking person. Do you think that kind of legislation 505 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: is just pushed forward every once in a while sporadically 506 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: to test the waters of the public, just to see, like, 507 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: what could we get through. Do you think we could 508 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: get that through right now? I don't know. Let's test 509 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: it out. Let's see what kind of numbers we get back. 510 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: I mean that implies that the cosign of the public 511 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: even matters at all. We know so much of that 512 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: stuff just happens completely behind closed doors. So I don't 513 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: even buy that it matters that it's legal or that 514 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: it's a law. I think they would just do it 515 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: and not tell anybody. Well, I mean, I do see 516 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: what you're saying, that just the waters of public sentiment. 517 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: I think there's something to that for sure. Just scooch 518 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: the Overton window over a little bit at a time. 519 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: We're gonna pause and come to one more message from you, 520 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realist. Let's end on this the final twist 521 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: of this story, which thankfully again hasn't happened yet. And 522 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: maybe maybe it was just a bit of theater to 523 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: propose this bill, But let's end with a line from 524 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Matos, the executive director of Prisoners Legal Services of Massachusetts, 525 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: a nonprofit group that represents inmates. Matos told ABC News 526 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: that similar bills have been introduced in the past in 527 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: other states, and they just happened not to gain traction, 528 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: but a time may be alive. See so people agree 529 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: with you. We're gonna pause for a word from our sponsor. 530 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: Everybody be safe with your organs and we'll be right back. 531 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: And we've returned. We gotta message you, guys. We put 532 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: out a call for stories about exercises that happened just 533 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: before events and if anyone had taken part in any 534 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: kind of exertion size like that. We got a response 535 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: from two fab, the number two and then fab as 536 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: in fabulous. What was that show? Absolutely fabulous. That's what 537 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,720 Speaker 1: makes me think of ab fab. I guess we should 538 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: just jump right into this. Let's just first point out 539 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 1: that this story includes one of our favorite things, guys, 540 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: political monarchies, because we're gonna be talking about a president 541 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: and a governor of the state who have the same debty. 542 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: He did. He did he just like that, Just like that, 543 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: here we go, two fab says, I'm writing in response 544 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: to your question about participating in a homeland security exercise. 545 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: Let's just say I've been around and have a lot 546 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,479 Speaker 1: of friends in a lot of places, especially certain three 547 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: letter US government and international government organizations. First of all 548 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 1: two fab oh Man flex. But also, okay, we continue here. 549 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,240 Speaker 1: In July two thousand and five, the second week of July, 550 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,240 Speaker 1: there was a quote Homeland Security summit unquote in New Orleans. 551 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: Of course, that city would make world news only two 552 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: months later. Reach back into your memories about the significance 553 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 1: of New Orleans two thousand and five. So let's do 554 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: that really quickly, guys, that Bush doesn't care about black people. 555 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: Was that related related? Yeah? Yes. August two thousand and five, 556 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,800 Speaker 1: Hurricane Katrina one of the worst natural disasters to strike 557 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: the United States in a long time, and the response 558 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: to that situation, it's become one of the most scrutinized 559 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: responses to a natural disaster in all of American history. 560 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: So let's just remember that's where we are. And let's 561 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: also remember that George W. Bush is president at that time, 562 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: and his brother Jeb Bush is governor of Florida, one 563 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: of the places that was struck by Hurricane Katrina, but 564 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: not nearly as badly as New Orleans and parts of 565 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: the Louisiana. So let's jump back in. This is too 566 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,399 Speaker 1: fab anyway, as a part of this summit, there were 567 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: a lot of desktop exercises. These are also often called 568 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: tabletop exercises everybody, And there were also reviews for disaster preparedness, 569 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: specifically for New Orleans. And again this is July details 570 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: and five are these tabletop exercises like modeling kind of yeah, 571 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: almost like like like playing a game of risk, you know, 572 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: if then and responses for it. And this is again 573 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,839 Speaker 1: we've talked about this a little bit and when exercises 574 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: like this came up before, this is something that you 575 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: have to do. And the problem is that oftentimes in 576 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: retrospect it can look a lot like planning to do 577 00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 1: something instead of just preparing against the possible, because sometimes 578 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: contingencies could be perceived as bad right for some groups, right, 579 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: and well, like in the case of New Orleans, it's 580 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: kind of like predicting a global pandemic. We said there 581 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: was a pandemic on the way years ago on this show, 582 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: and it's not because we had a crystal ball. It's 583 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: because the numbers were there. And if you look at 584 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,879 Speaker 1: New Orleans, it's sure location, it's elevation, then it's kind 585 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: of a matter of time situation, and that's why people 586 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: were asking, like, well, what do we do when a 587 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: big one hits? Exactly part of the tabletop exercise is 588 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: what resources do we have to put in play when 589 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: something like this occurs? How long does it take for 590 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: those resources to get to the places where they need 591 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 1: to be, and how you know, what are all of 592 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: the things that they can do once they're there, right, 593 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: And what places can people go when they need to 594 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: take shelter, What do the levees actually look like? And 595 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: how do we repair those levees? All that kind of now, 596 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 1: so let's jump back into two Fab's message here. Myself 597 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: and three of my friends from some of these three 598 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: letter organizations were shaking our heads and went down for 599 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 1: some beers down on Bourbon Street that evening and we're 600 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 1: talking about how there really wasn't any plan for the event, 601 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: and all they were really evaluating was how do I 602 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: clean up after the fact. That's horrifying, right, that's pretty 603 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: objectively horrifying to think, because the exercise is accepting that 604 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: the disaster has occurred and then just estimating like the 605 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 1: damage control, right and recuperation process exactly. This is not 606 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,240 Speaker 1: going to the doctor to see if anything is wrong. 607 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 1: It's oh man, something is really really wrong. I better 608 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: go to the emergency room. It's like, yeah, yeah, I 609 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: like that comparison. It's like walking in and saying, okay, Dot, 610 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 1: when I get this heart attack, which is definitely happening, 611 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 1: should I keep eating cheese burgers? Well? Yeah, But the 612 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: right thing to do is how do I prevent myself 613 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 1: from having a heart attack or, in this case, having 614 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: the levies all break and flooding the entire city. So 615 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: let's jump back in one more time. Guys, we're almost here. 616 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,359 Speaker 1: How do I clean up after the fact? So that's 617 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: the end of that sentence, not how do I evacuate? 618 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: What communications will I need to bring in temporarily, etc. 619 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 1: This was the expertise I was helping with as an 620 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 1: expert for the military. Anyway, we were walking down Bourbon 621 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 1: Street and I happen to spy this T shirt that 622 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:41,240 Speaker 1: literally said Homeland Security Federal Emergency Evacuation Plan, Run, motherfucker running. 623 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: The only plan is get the hell out of there. Sorry, 624 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: I hope you can bleep that there. Doc. Sorry about that, 625 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: tufab says I laughed so hard that I bought the 626 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 1: T shirt for us to give the guy that was 627 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 1: running the tabletop, which I did the next day. We 628 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: all had a hearty laugh at the time, but as 629 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: you know, it was not very funny. Oof exactly thought 630 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: this was something your listening audience should hear. They did 631 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 1: these practices, and all those who were experts told them 632 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: that they just didn't have a real plan and it 633 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:15,280 Speaker 1: needed a lot of additional work, way too little attention, 634 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: way too late. I've noticed that you can't find much 635 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 1: about this conference other than it happened. I suppose they 636 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 1: are quite a bit embarrassed about this very strange fact. 637 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,879 Speaker 1: If it had been anything but a hurricane, you might 638 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: think it was intentional. Oh that's a strong ending, too, 639 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: fab Right, it's a really good point. Yeah, if it's 640 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 1: a natural disaster like this, it's way less likely that 641 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 1: it was a man made thing that any illuminati, it 642 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 1: doesn't matter how powerful you are, could have caused that 643 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,879 Speaker 1: hurricane to form and strike in that particular place. Right. 644 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's completely out of the range of possibilities. 645 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 1: We just haven't seen any evidence that you can actually 646 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: form and target it any kind of weather patterns. We 647 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: know about things like cloud seating and stuff that can 648 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: affect weather, but not like this. Yeah, weather modification is 649 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,839 Speaker 1: a real thing, and it is It has been used 650 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 1: for decades of decades, and it is being used around 651 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 1: the world. But the problem is, according to everything that 652 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: we can find improve this is a very scattershot approach. 653 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: There's no sophistication, you know what I mean, because weather 654 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 1: is all part of a global interrelated system. Pulling a 655 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 1: string somewhere puts pressure on a string somewhere else, and 656 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,840 Speaker 1: even now some of the smartest people in the world 657 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: aren't quite sure how all the strings connect over time exactly. 658 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 1: So guys two fab pointed out that if you look 659 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,839 Speaker 1: for this thing, this exercise that occurred in July two 660 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: thousand and five, it's very difficult to find information about it. 661 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,799 Speaker 1: I agree. I found a few things that I thought 662 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: y'all might find interesting. The first one comes from a 663 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: little website that's so much fun to find when when 664 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 1: you're just typing it out because you kind of just 665 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:15,720 Speaker 1: have to. It is gov info dot Library, UNT dot 666 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:20,840 Speaker 1: edu Sey Yeah, oh so sexy, And in there you 667 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 1: can find a paper that appears to be it begins 668 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 1: at page fifty nine of something titled a Failure of Initiative, 669 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 1: and it runs down not very far, but anyway that 670 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,720 Speaker 1: it starts at page fifty nine, and if you scroll 671 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 1: down to page sixty eight, you can find one sentence 672 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,719 Speaker 1: about this exercise. I believe it's about this exercise. It's 673 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: under the heading US Army Corps of Engineers, which is 674 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,080 Speaker 1: an active duty military unit. I'm just gonna read the 675 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 1: sentence to you. In July two thousand and five, the 676 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 1: district where they're talking about New Orleans, the district sponsored 677 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,840 Speaker 1: a hurricane preparedness conference for federal, state, and local emergency managers. 678 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,799 Speaker 1: And that's literally it. That's literally it. It doesn't go 679 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 1: into details, that's it. Okay, So do a government document. 680 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 1: To me, this is like a report on what a 681 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: lot of these different organizations did, I guess in preparedness. Right. 682 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 1: So there's also the Mississippi National Guard, what they did, 683 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: the US Coast Guard, the Alabama National Guard, Louisia, Louisiana 684 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,839 Speaker 1: National Guard, the d D all kinds of stuff. It's 685 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 1: just pointing out this is what they were doing in 686 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 1: preparation for these kinds of things. So there's that The 687 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,360 Speaker 1: next thing I found is from a Politico article written 688 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 1: by a fella named Brownie. Do you guys remember Brownie? 689 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,240 Speaker 1: That's me? Give any recollection? No, really, I don't, okay. 690 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 1: A guy named Michael Brown that used to be a 691 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,080 Speaker 1: huge part of FEMA back during the George W. Bush presidency, 692 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 1: and he was lovingly referred to as Brownie by George W. Bush. 693 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 1: He wrote an article in Politico and it was written 694 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:17,839 Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, and it's the title of it is 695 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:22,920 Speaker 1: stop blaming me for Hurricane Katrina. That's literally the title 696 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 1: of the article, which is very silly to me, but 697 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 1: it does make a lot of sense because he, well, 698 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, tell me what you guys think I'm 699 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: going to jump down to when he's talking about this 700 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:37,839 Speaker 1: specific exercise. This is Michael Brown writing and speaking. After 701 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,240 Speaker 1: nine to eleven, I was concerned FEMA was not ready 702 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,720 Speaker 1: for genuinely catastrophic disasters, so I asked Congress for funding 703 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 1: to study several catastrophic scenarios, including the possibility of a 704 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:53,799 Speaker 1: Cat five hurricane hitting New Orleans. The tabletop exercise, which 705 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,960 Speaker 1: we dubbed Hurricane Pam, was held in July two thousand 706 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 1: and five. One month before Katrina hit. The results struck 707 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,760 Speaker 1: fear in everyone involved. Hurricane Pam taught us too late 708 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,800 Speaker 1: that Louisiana and New Orleans were ill prepared. The state's 709 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:17,239 Speaker 1: emergency manager was under federal indictment, its emergency operations in disarray. 710 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to continue a little bit further. The senator 711 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,920 Speaker 1: asked why he's speaking with senators as he's been questioned, like, 712 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,919 Speaker 1: what the heck happened? Brownie? The senator asked why, if 713 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,000 Speaker 1: we knew from the Hurricane PAM exercises in July two 714 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,240 Speaker 1: thousand and five that New Orleans and Louisiana were ill prepared, 715 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:39,359 Speaker 1: why we didn't make the necessary changes to policies, procedures, statutes, 716 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 1: and funding so that the city and state would be 717 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: prepared for Katrina in August two thousand and five. Guys, 718 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,319 Speaker 1: why do you think they were unable to prepare for 719 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:54,760 Speaker 1: that disaster one month before it occurred because we didn't 720 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 1: know was going to occur. Well, it's something we talked 721 00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 1: about on the show all the time. The machine that 722 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 1: is the US government and state governments moves so ridiculously 723 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,759 Speaker 1: slowly glacial pace, and for anybody listening, several decades in 724 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,480 Speaker 1: the future. Glaciers were these big sheets of ice that 725 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,000 Speaker 1: were around different parts of the world, and um for 726 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,400 Speaker 1: a long time people knew they moved very slowly, and 727 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,160 Speaker 1: somehow the Titanic still got sunk by one. It took 728 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 1: me a glacial amount of time to realize you were 729 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,920 Speaker 1: explaining what glaciers were. All A glacier in an iceberg 730 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,879 Speaker 1: aren't exactly the same thing, but they're they're close. Oh right, 731 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,280 Speaker 1: ice was this really cool form that was super cool. 732 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,680 Speaker 1: It sure was, but this this isn't because I think 733 00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,440 Speaker 1: Matt m Just to add on your point there also 734 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 1: we have to remember that infrastructure funding can be really tough. 735 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,319 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's not a sexy thing to run an 736 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,839 Speaker 1: election on. You know. No, it's not. No, it is not. 737 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 1: Oh and if you do it right then it's also 738 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,399 Speaker 1: there's a higher likelihood that your efforts won't be appreciated 739 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 1: because no one will really understand what could have happened, 740 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 1: like what happened in Katrina. Everything's been fine for a 741 00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:17,279 Speaker 1: long time. Why do we spend all this money? Like, 742 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,160 Speaker 1: oh wait, it continues to be fine because you spend 743 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,000 Speaker 1: all the money. Whoops, guys, One last thing I found 744 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,080 Speaker 1: on this and then we'll get out of here, and 745 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,440 Speaker 1: thank you so much, too, fab for sending us down 746 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:32,960 Speaker 1: this rabbit hole on Columbia dot Edu. I found it 747 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,520 Speaker 1: looks like some kind of report. It says Hurricane PAM 748 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,799 Speaker 1: Exercise concludes. Now you'll remember that Michael Brown there in 749 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,640 Speaker 1: Politico is stating that Hurricane Pam is the name of 750 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,920 Speaker 1: this test, this tabletop exercise they ran in July two 751 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:54,360 Speaker 1: thousand and five. Well, this here, this document guys, says 752 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,879 Speaker 1: Hurricane PAM exercise concludes. But it says the release date 753 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,800 Speaker 1: here for this. It looks like some kind of PR 754 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:08,000 Speaker 1: message press release. It's dated July twenty third, two thousand 755 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,840 Speaker 1: and four. H and let me just read the top 756 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,960 Speaker 1: part of this says it's in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Hurricane 757 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,160 Speaker 1: Pam brought sustained winds of one hundred and twenty miles 758 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,439 Speaker 1: per hour, up to twenty inches of rain in parts 759 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,120 Speaker 1: of southeast Louisiana, and storm surge that topped levies in 760 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 1: the New Orleans area. More than one million residents evacuated, 761 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,200 Speaker 1: and Hurricane Pam destroyed five hundred thousand to six hundred 762 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:39,640 Speaker 1: thousand buildings. Emergency officials from fifty parish, state, federal, and 763 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:44,200 Speaker 1: volunteer organizations faced this scenario during a five day exercise 764 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,640 Speaker 1: held this week at the State Emergency Operations Center in 765 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:52,760 Speaker 1: Baton Rouge. So, guys, this is another exercise also titled 766 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:57,560 Speaker 1: Hurricane PAM that occurred the year before the other Hurricane 767 00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,560 Speaker 1: PAM that was also, we can say kind of thing, 768 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:05,000 Speaker 1: and it was also run by FEMA here, and Michael 769 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,839 Speaker 1: Brown was a part of it at least if this 770 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,040 Speaker 1: document is to be believed. Maybe they just got the 771 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,880 Speaker 1: dates wrong, but it does. It is an article that 772 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,719 Speaker 1: says it was last updated Friday, July twenty third, two 773 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,560 Speaker 1: thousand and four. Okay, So curious or and curious or 774 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,320 Speaker 1: I just don't know because I can't find it anywhere, 775 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,520 Speaker 1: But listen, listen to this craziness. There is a u 776 00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,240 Speaker 1: RL on this thing that it's got a FEMA dot 777 00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:36,040 Speaker 1: gov address, slash news slash press release, and it's got 778 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,600 Speaker 1: a date of one twenty five, two thousand and six. 779 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,400 Speaker 1: I can't tell you which one of these dates is accurate, 780 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,680 Speaker 1: or maybe they're all accurate. It was just posted to 781 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,920 Speaker 1: different places at different times. Is the implication that it 782 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,880 Speaker 1: was drafted like an advance and it was sort of 783 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:56,200 Speaker 1: like held in reserve like they do with celebrity obituaries. No, 784 00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,440 Speaker 1: I don't think so, Okay, I think maybe, I mean, 785 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,120 Speaker 1: it is possible, but I think Hurricane Pam might just 786 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:07,080 Speaker 1: be the title that's used for some of these exercises. Maybe, 787 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,520 Speaker 1: so it might be multiple exercises possible, maybe because they'll 788 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,960 Speaker 1: want a section off the names so you don't use 789 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,879 Speaker 1: it in other in other iterations. But then also, you know, 790 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:24,080 Speaker 1: some people might cynically respond, well, FEMA has been unorganized 791 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,879 Speaker 1: in the past. First tough to tell, but you did 792 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,440 Speaker 1: find a heck of a discrepancy. I think, yeah, I 793 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,320 Speaker 1: just don't understand it. If anyone knows how to untangle 794 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,080 Speaker 1: that web send send the answer. Are we? I guess 795 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,000 Speaker 1: there are a lot of ways you can find us 796 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,399 Speaker 1: to check it out. We're on the internet, that's right. 797 00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,920 Speaker 1: We are indeed on the internet. We're conspiracy stuff on YouTube, 798 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,520 Speaker 1: Twitter and Facebook, or we have a group called Here's 799 00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,360 Speaker 1: where it gets Crazy. We're conspiracy stuff show on Instagram 800 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,000 Speaker 1: and TikTok. And if you don't want to, you know, 801 00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,719 Speaker 1: use the internet, why not just give us a telephone call? 802 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,960 Speaker 1: You can us one of those rotary guys. 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