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Speaker 1: Welcome to Thursdays and this is a big Luke kigoff

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Speaker 1: live here on Giants dot Com. Use Jeff Fiegels, I'm

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Speaker 1: lancedal good to be with you for the next sixty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Two zero five one three is the telephone number. Hashtag

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Speaker 1: Giants Chat on Twitter. We have finally arrived to the

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Speaker 1: third preseason game tonight. The Giants are going to be

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Speaker 1: battling the Bengals in Cincinnati. Will lay out the storylines

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Speaker 1: and the players to watch tonight, and we'll get your

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Speaker 1: feedback on the phones as well as on social media. So, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: you and I were on yesterday and by the way,

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Speaker 1: it's all presented by cores Light and we focused a

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Speaker 1: lot on Okay, you get to the third preseason game,

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Speaker 1: it's referred to as the dress rehearsal. We are expecting

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Speaker 1: to see the starters in for more series than we've

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Speaker 1: seen thus far over the first two preseason games. How

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Speaker 1: long Elion Company are in that really remains to be seen,

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Speaker 1: but you figure they're probably gonna get in. I would

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Speaker 1: say at least a quarter Jeff, that would be my expectation,

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Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more depending on what Pat Sherman

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Speaker 1: and you don't know. I mean, here's the thing about preseason.

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Speaker 1: I think that there's an evolution of preseason happening. I

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Speaker 1: think that you know, you're looking at what the Bears

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Speaker 1: in that game. I don't know what their plan is

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Speaker 1: to handle these preseason games in today's world. And what

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Speaker 1: you're hearing a lot about is that coaches are are

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Speaker 1: preferring more of the practices rather than the preseason game. Now,

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Speaker 1: a few years ago, the Giants did this. They went

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Speaker 1: what the Giants are gonna do today. Typically, this third

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Speaker 1: a series and then the starters are done. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know where that philosophy stands with Pat Shermer

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Speaker 1: see at seven fifteen tonight, we'll get an idea of it.

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Speaker 1: But Um, to be honest with you, I don't think

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Speaker 1: then really there's a couple of tea positions that you

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Speaker 1: a great point. The one other thing that I wanted

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Speaker 1: Last year, the Giants had joint practices with the Lions.

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Speaker 1: Remember why Okay, sure, yeah, I left that out there.

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Speaker 1: Is that philosophy I think across the board, I would

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Speaker 1: I think that's the philosophy across the board. We've seen

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Speaker 1: you also have some competitions that need to define themselves

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Speaker 1: Choose one five, one three is the telephone number, Jeff.

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Speaker 1: One of the things you brought up is we don't

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Speaker 1: And one of the things that Shermer brought up going

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Speaker 1: is in Connecticut. Marco, Welcome to the Big Blue Kick

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Speaker 1: Off Live. What do you have for us? Hey guys?

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Speaker 1: How are you today? Very good? Marco? How are you great?

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Speaker 1: Giants team day? Can't wait for tonight? Hey, John I'm John.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Jeff. Okay, he's been called worst, don't sorry, Yeah, definitely,

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Speaker 1: I got The Jays are still there, so that's cool, Jeff.

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Speaker 1: When the when the fifty three man roster gets made,

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Speaker 1: they trimmed down. What is the percentage like when the

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Speaker 1: season starts, what's the percentage of snaps that the starters

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Speaker 1: are getting in practice compared to the backups? Oh wow,

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Speaker 1: this is a good question. So I will tell you

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Speaker 1: that the it's it's nine, it's ninety five to five. Really. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: so here's why I asked, and I'd like you to

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Speaker 1: elaborate on it, because we're talking about seeing Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: maybe hopefully a lot for tonight, and then then there's

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Speaker 1: preseason Game four, and then what happens. I mean, it's like,

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Speaker 1: what what what do you think the plan is with

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Speaker 1: Jones in the in the in the in the season. Okay. So,

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Speaker 1: and it's a great question because you know, it's something

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Speaker 1: that a lot of the fans don't get to see, right,

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Speaker 1: you don't get to see practice. Um that the media

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Speaker 1: will report, they report every day who lined up at where?

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Speaker 1: And on offensive defense? Oh you know, Alcobatry was not

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Speaker 1: at practice today and Tay Davis was took his spot.

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Speaker 1: You know, those kinds of things. But the way that

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Speaker 1: practices work is that the second team quarterback will be

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Speaker 1: running the offense against the first team defense and that

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Speaker 1: will be the way the whole season. Okay, the only

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Speaker 1: way that Daniel Jones is to get first team reps

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Speaker 1: is that if number one, they feel that they're going

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Speaker 1: to give him a couple of reps alright, just because

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Speaker 1: of this what you just said. Maybe we get to

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Speaker 1: see him in a game where the Giants are winning,

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Speaker 1: you know, really big, and they want to put him

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Speaker 1: in and he've had he's had a couple of reps

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Speaker 1: during the during the season, during the week, or or

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Speaker 1: they're they're they're telling you that, or they're telling Eli that. Listen,

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Speaker 1: we're getting ready to bring him in. Now. We will

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Speaker 1: find this out sooner or later because the press will

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Speaker 1: lead it on. I mean, it's gonna have it all

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Speaker 1: leak out how many reps that he's getting. But to

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Speaker 1: answer your question, the backups do not get reps. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you might get a here's the thing. The quarterback for

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Speaker 1: sure gets the reps, first team reps no matter what okay,

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Speaker 1: and then there's the backups. You always have your backup

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Speaker 1: running back right behind se Kwan. Kwan is not taking

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Speaker 1: every single rep, okay, but the backup starters, like the lineman,

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Speaker 1: there is not going to be a backup lineman play

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Speaker 1: taking first team reps unless somebody's hurt or if somebody's missing,

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Speaker 1: uh like they're sick or something like at so well,

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Speaker 1: and those other running backs actually may get reps in

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Speaker 1: the game they move them in, and the receivers too.

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Speaker 1: But you know, and and listen, there's personnel. There's personnel

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Speaker 1: groupings where the third receiver is almost like a starter,

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Speaker 1: and your fourth receivers might be playing a different you know,

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Speaker 1: it might be playing X and y Z, whatever it

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Speaker 1: is that they might be playing differently. They might be

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Speaker 1: in the starting lineup for that thing. So but to

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Speaker 1: be honest with that's why I said, because most of

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Speaker 1: the time, the defense places, they get all the reps.

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Speaker 1: The offense places and they get all the reps. But

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones will be running or Tanny whoever is the

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Speaker 1: second second quarterback is in the scout quarter. They they'll

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Speaker 1: be running cards well, and here's the thing, this gets

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Speaker 1: back to Jeff what Pat Schrummer has mentioned publicly about

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Speaker 1: Alex Tanny last year. One of the things he said was,

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Speaker 1: I want a veteran quarterback with experience on the team

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Speaker 1: because he could go into a game. Jeff doesn't have

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Speaker 1: to any reps, so he knew Alex Tanny has been

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Speaker 1: with multiple teams. He was with Tennessee, He's at a

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Speaker 1: few starts. He knows he'll absorb the offense. And I know,

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Speaker 1: if God forbid, something happens to Eli, I could put

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Speaker 1: Tanny in the game and we don't have to worry

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Speaker 1: about well, he he only got one first team rep

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Speaker 1: he should have got in twenty five in order to

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Speaker 1: prepare him for the game. They don't need to be

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Speaker 1: concerned about that. So that's where Shermer comes from, and

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Speaker 1: it's most coaches that operate the same way. They have

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Speaker 1: to want to have the desire, to Jeff's point, to

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Speaker 1: give a young guy first team reps. They're not going

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Speaker 1: to take that away from the first team starter who

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Speaker 1: needs the reps to get prepared for what they're gonna

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Speaker 1: do in the game on Sunday or whatever day of

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Speaker 1: the week it is. Marco, let me just give you

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Speaker 1: one more thing too. In practice, the media is allowed

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Speaker 1: at the front end of the practice. Once the individual

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Speaker 1: periods are done, the press leaves, so they do not

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Speaker 1: get they don't get to see any team activities whatsoever

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Speaker 1: at practice, and that basically leaves it up to if

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Speaker 1: you're gonna want to give Daniel Jones some first team reps,

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Speaker 1: nobody's gonna know about it other than the fifty three

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Speaker 1: guys in the twenty coaches that are out there, because

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Speaker 1: God forbid. If the media was out there and saw

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones come in for two first team reps, can

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Speaker 1: you imagine what the headlines would be quarterback controversy in practice?

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Speaker 1: I guess I think about it too. I have another question,

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Speaker 1: but I think about it too from his development standpoint,

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Speaker 1: that these next two preseason games could could be potentially

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Speaker 1: the last time he sees game action until what happens.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, that was the intent from the beginning,

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Speaker 1: wasn't it. I mean, that's what Scharmer said, That's the

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Speaker 1: I mean, a gentleman said, you know, he lies our quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and that's you know, and and Shermer said, he's our

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Speaker 1: quarterback and that's what That's just that's understood. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: what But once again, Marco, it's also important to understand

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Speaker 1: when the Giants drafted Ryan Massive, when the Giants drafted

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Speaker 1: Davis Webb, it was the same thing. Though you saw

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Speaker 1: them in the preseason, and then all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: they scout team quarterback. So the point is, just because

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is the sixth overall pick doesn't mean that

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Speaker 1: they should give him different treatment. And it's not just

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Speaker 1: the Giants, it's any NFL team that drafts a guy

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Speaker 1: who's not in line to be the starter. He's going

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Speaker 1: to operate as the scout team back, scout team quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, Thanks plans Uh and Jeff quick quick question.

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious about your opinion on this, which when

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Speaker 1: the when the season gets going, which position group or

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Speaker 1: player on the team do you think, um that maybe

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Speaker 1: the national media is not really honed in on right now,

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Speaker 1: but they will be once the season starts, and they'll

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Speaker 1: it'll be a pleasant surprise. Who do you think we'll

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Speaker 1: jump out on the national side, positional group or maybe

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Speaker 1: player that know that they're not talking about. All right, Marco,

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Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call. It's a good question. Yeah, I hope.

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Speaker 1: I hope it's one of the I hope it's one

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Speaker 1: of the outside linebackers to be on with you, I

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Speaker 1: really do. I mean, could it beat could it be

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Speaker 1: Lorenzo Carter? Maybe Ziminez Um? You know some of the

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Speaker 1: guys that I'm interested to see that a lot of

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Speaker 1: people don't know about because he hasn't been in the market,

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Speaker 1: and I know he's an older guy as Antoine, but

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Speaker 1: they that's exactly where I was going to go. I

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Speaker 1: think here's the guy that really has not had had

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Speaker 1: the accolades and he needed because of the markets he's

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Speaker 1: played in. But he is a heck of a football

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Speaker 1: player tackles um. He was thirteenth in the National Football

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Speaker 1: League last year and tackles tackles. So maybe that guy

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Speaker 1: jumps off the page at you. Um, I hope it's

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Speaker 1: somebody on the defensive side, to be honest. Well, and

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Speaker 1: a guy like Antoine b Set is valuable because of

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Speaker 1: the youth on the defensive side of the ball. That's

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Speaker 1: more of a reason why it would be great. But

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Speaker 1: when I say jump out using your terminology, Jeff, I

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Speaker 1: guess I look at it more of what he's going

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Speaker 1: to do in the film room for the rest of

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Speaker 1: the defense. The things he's going to point out to

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Speaker 1: the young guys, the adjustments that he's going to make,

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Speaker 1: sh not jump out when you watch a game. So

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Speaker 1: when the last caller asked the question about jumping out,

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Speaker 1: I would say Antoine, but fet to me is going

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Speaker 1: to be a valuable part of this team. He may

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Speaker 1: not show it to you in a game all the time,

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Speaker 1: because how are you supposed to see what he's teaching

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Speaker 1: the guys in the film room in the game. You

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Speaker 1: just hope that they continue to prove over the course

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Speaker 1: of the year. You know, Antoine Bethet during the course

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Speaker 1: of his career is not necessarily a guy that's gonna

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Speaker 1: get seven or eight interceptions. If he does, the Giants

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Speaker 1: would certainly take that. They're not gonna be disappointed. I

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Speaker 1: just think a guy that's going to be the voice

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Speaker 1: for Betcher to get the team set, that to me

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Speaker 1: is something that can easily fall unto the radar. Here's

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Speaker 1: another guy that I would throw into the equation to

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Speaker 1: Michael Thomas, I think has an immense amount of value

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Speaker 1: on this team, Jeff. And it's the same thing because

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Speaker 1: if the youngsters on that side of the ball and

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Speaker 1: Thomas's experience as a special teamer as a third safety,

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Speaker 1: as a guy that could be put in the slot

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Speaker 1: as a corner. You know, those guys who are versatile

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Speaker 1: are the luxuries for coaching staffs because if somebody gets hurt,

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Speaker 1: you can turn to them. And it would not surprise

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Speaker 1: me if they have Jabril Peppers, Antoine Bethey, and Michael

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Speaker 1: Thomas on the field a number of times this year,

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Speaker 1: especially if they feel Thomas gives them the ability to

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Speaker 1: move over to corner just like a Julian Love and

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Speaker 1: until Love maybe gets to the point where he's extremely comfortable. Jeff,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if maybe Michael Thomas takes over

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Speaker 1: that role a little bit. I would tell you the

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Speaker 1: player that I would say that has made the tans

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Speaker 1: on your question and just just put it in training

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Speaker 1: camp terms in preseason, has been Eli Penny that this

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Speaker 1: is this is a guy that I feel like has

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Speaker 1: really found a place on this roster because I feel

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Speaker 1: like he's a converted tailback, but he plays fullback, so

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Speaker 1: you know, he has some ball skills and they have

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Speaker 1: they have lined him up at receiver. They're throwing him

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Speaker 1: the ball out of the backfield and he's and he is,

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Speaker 1: he's producing. So I think there's a guy you kind

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Speaker 1: of look at. Now. He's not going to be a

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Speaker 1: guy that's on the national stand on the national because

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Speaker 1: you got se Kwon Parkley there. But my point is

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Speaker 1: it tickets. Just you know, for a minute, just look

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Speaker 1: what he's doing and how they can utilize him. Um,

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Speaker 1: you think about teams that we talked about this the

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Speaker 1: other day, Lands is how many guys are gonna be

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Speaker 1: stack in that box because of se Kwon and that

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Speaker 1: you don't have Odell Beckham to to stretch the field

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Speaker 1: on you. You got to find some other outlets to

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Speaker 1: get the ball the people that it can get you

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Speaker 1: some get you some yards and give you some production.

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Speaker 1: And Eli Penny might be the guy that you dumped

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Speaker 1: the ball off to when everybody's paying attention to see

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Speaker 1: Quan well. As you mentioned, Penny can serve as a

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Speaker 1: running back. He did that in Arizona one season when

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Speaker 1: they had some injuries and then he could catch the

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Speaker 1: ball in the backfield, he could block, So he's like

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Speaker 1: a Swiss army knife. And Sherman's book very highly of him.

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Speaker 1: This week Jeff when he was actually asked about Elijah

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Speaker 1: Penny and said, Penny's one of the rare guys in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. I don't think he's ever had a bad day,

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Speaker 1: And he didn't mean that he hasn't had a day

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Speaker 1: in practice when he's maybe messed up. It's just he's

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Speaker 1: got a very positive attitude and it's contagious and that

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Speaker 1: stands out to him. So I'm with you. I think

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Speaker 1: Penny is another one. He's not a star studded name.

642
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: He does a lot of the little subtle things for

643
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: this team that gets fallen under the radar. But he's

644
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Speaker 1: going to be a guy that could truly be a

645
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: valuable commodity when it's all said and done, because of

646
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: the fact that they can move him around and and

647
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: many people think of the fullback position as the old

648
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: fullback position. Block came back, So get out of and

649
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: in front of him at Smith and let the guy rong.

650
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: We don't have any Moose Johnson's anymore in the world.

651
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: I mean, the game has evolved in now where Eli

652
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Speaker 1: Penny the fullback is basically as he's a hybrid is

653
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Speaker 1: what he is. I mean, he can he can play receiver,

654
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: he can run the football, he can block. Um, he's

655
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Speaker 1: very good in past protection, which is, by the way,

656
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: it is probably more important than him than running the

657
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Speaker 1: football at this juncture in his career for where he's at,

658
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: because you got to have those running backs be able

659
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Speaker 1: to take some hits and protect that quarterback on on

660
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: those on those linebackers coming and and really and even

661
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: some of the cornerbacks. You gotta sit in there and

662
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: and block these guys. And he's done a very well,

663
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: very very good job at that well. And we were

664
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Speaker 1: talking earlier about the evolution of the linebacker position, right, Jeff,

665
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Speaker 1: with alec Ogiltree. The fullback is very similar. Right. Position

666
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: has evolved, body types of change, roles have changed. So

667
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: that's exactly what you're seeing across the board in the

668
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Speaker 1: Natural Football League. Two zero four or five one three.

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Speaker 1: That is the telephone number. It's all brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Corps L. Mary Anne is in Pennsylvania. Mary Anne,

671
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Speaker 1: Welcome to Big Blue Kick Off Live. What do you

672
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Speaker 1: have for us? Hey Lands, Hey Jeff, how are you guys?

673
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: Very well? Good to hear your voice. I have no

674
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: negativity stuff to say. I'm not bashing anyone. I just

675
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: want to say, I'm very excited for this year. We

676
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: have a lot of good players. Um. I always go

677
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,959
Speaker 1: into the year very optimistic until injuries set in and

678
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: then you know that it is what it is. But

679
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Speaker 1: I just have a fast, cute story. Um. Two thousand

680
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Speaker 1: and six, two thousand seven, I was never into football.

681
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Speaker 1: Co operative football house, marry a football freak. Dan from

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Speaker 1: Poconos is my husband, Okay, now, I said on the

683
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Speaker 1: couch with him and I said it was two thousand

684
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: and six, two thousand seven. I said, who is that player?

685
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: He says, that's Eli Manning, a quarterback. I said, to

686
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Speaker 1: tell me more, tell me and I thought of getting

687
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: into it more and more now with season ticket holders

688
00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: and I just absolutely eat, breathe, and sleep New York Giant.

689
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm very proud to be a Giant fan. We went

690
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: to the Dallas Cowboy Giants game one near twenty Borrow

691
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: Bow with the wind chill. We lost by a damn

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Speaker 1: field goal. Remember that. Yeah, I never complain. I just

693
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: go like a range shine. I just want to say,

694
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm very proud to be a New York Giant fan.

695
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see this season. I'm very excited.

696
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Speaker 1: Love all, you guys. I watched Big Blue, I watched

697
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Speaker 1: person watch it all. It's very excited. Maria. Where are you?

698
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Speaker 1: Where are you from that accident? I want to know

699
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Speaker 1: which that's my New Yorker? I know that, but I'm

700
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Speaker 1: saying where. Yeah, he wants to specifically, where is from

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Speaker 1: New York? And Queen que queen? Okay, okay, would you

702
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Speaker 1: have guessed that one? I don't know. If I would

703
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Speaker 1: have guessed Queen's, I would have guessed New York. But

704
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Speaker 1: I knew that I was just driving five burrows, so

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Speaker 1: she represents. Okay, that's beautiful. Yeah. Now I'm in the

706
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Speaker 1: Poconos and it's very hard to get the Giant game

707
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: because when understandable Eagles playing on Fox, they give us

708
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: the Eagle game. So I'll either get the NFL ticket

709
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: or you know anything else. You know what I can

710
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: sold Thanksgiving and Christmas for the Giants. See it sounds

711
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: like you're not kidding. We go to my aunt in

712
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: New York every year since on my baby, and one

713
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: year the Jets were playing the Giants. It was Christmas Eve.

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Speaker 1: My friend of mine as a Jets fand he gave

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Speaker 1: us the tickets. I canceled Christmas, Eve went to a

716
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Speaker 1: giant game. Lost half of my family didn't like me

717
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: if they're playing on Thanksgiving. I said, you want to come,

718
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: you come, you just watch the game or you leave. Well,

719
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Speaker 1: that is extreme passion from mary Anne in Pennsylvania. Mary Anne,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate you tuning in and thanks for painting today.

721
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Speaker 1: Last time he was painting. You know, I was just

722
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: going to bring up last time I think Dan called in.

723
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: He was on the roof and we hung up on

724
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Speaker 1: him because he complimented Charlie in Portland at Marianne, stay

725
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: away from that one, okay. And you know that's why

726
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Speaker 1: when I heard Dan in the background at the very

727
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: end of that call, I was going to refer to

728
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: him as the worser half of that couple. Okay, we

729
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: compliment Mary and we want to hear from Maryanne bore.

730
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: Unless Dan starts to see the light with respect to

731
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Speaker 1: Charlie and Portland, Maine, then he's out of the doghouse.

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Speaker 1: Marianne's queen accent reminds me of my cousin, Vinny, do

733
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Speaker 1: you ever seen My Cousins? One of my favorite movies

734
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Speaker 1: that remind you of you know, you see little bandy

735
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Speaker 1: sitting there, you know whatever. What was her name, the actress,

736
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Speaker 1: and that Marissa Okay, that's the character. Yes, well Marissa

737
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: Tomay wont an Academy Award, if memory serves correct. Fantastic movie.

738
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Speaker 1: My favorite scenes, see now we're going to go off

739
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: on a tangent, so excuse the Giants fan base. Is

740
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: when Joe Pesci is preparing to go hunting with the

741
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 1: prosecutor and they're in the hotel room and he's worried

742
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: about what he's gonna wear. She walks out of the

743
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: bathroom and was on this whole dissertation about the killing

744
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: the deer and dandy. If you were the deer, you

745
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: were worried about the guy you know about to shoot you,

746
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: would you be worried about what the guy was wearing.

747
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: One of the best scenes, best lines. I could watch

748
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: that movie a thousand times. I was actually that scene

749
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 1: reminded me of her that she said that absolutely, So Mary,

750
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: feel free to call in any time you want. We'll

751
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: get you through. And by the way, she is a

752
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: native New Yorker. I've had debats with people people who

753
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: are from the upstate area who want to consider themselves

754
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: native New Yorkers New York City. That's a hard argument,

755
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: very defined in terms of my territory. I don't know

756
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: where you stand with respect that Jemen. You've been all over.

757
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: I see the argument. I totally see now here. This

758
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: is I guess to me, if you're if you were

759
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 1: born in New York, you would be a native New Yorker.

760
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 1: But it's also to me, I think as someone wanting

761
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Speaker 1: to the understand where you're coming from, and they want

762
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 1: to be a person even though they weren't born in Queens.

763
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 1: They were born in Rochester, which is upstate New York,

764
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: which New Yorker to your point, but New York State's right,

765
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: you're not a New Yorker and New Yorker like from

766
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: the Five Boroughs, you're not. I got you, That's what

767
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: I said. I get it. I get the argument, and

768
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: I also can get how somebody will argue with you

769
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Speaker 1: that they are a native New Yorker. But then, being

770
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: I'm from New York, your definition of a New Yorker

771
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: is you need to be in from the five New

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00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: York City correct. There you go, We'll look it up

773
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: on Wikipedia. Yes, So I'm sure somebody has written theories

774
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: on these subjects and so forth. Let's head back to

775
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: the phone line. Scott is in New Mexico. Scott, welcome

776
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: to Big Blue Kick Off Live. What do you got

777
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: for us? Hi, guys, that's a hard act to follow.

778
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: A lot of native New Yorker as well. And the

779
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: only thing I ever did to watch a John came

780
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Speaker 1: as I postponed an operation I had to have. Well,

781
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: that's passion, that's extreme passion. Scott. Good it Listen. It's

782
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: one thing. It's one thing to cancel Christmas and Thanksgiving.

783
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: It's another thing to hold off on an operation. I

784
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: mean that to be I give you a little bit

785
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: of an edge, Scott in that department. Don't sell yourself short. Okay. Uh.

786
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: My question basically is uh has to do with the

787
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: tight ends. I think all offenses tend to really do

788
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: fairly well if they have an excellent tight end. We

789
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: don't have an Ingram. In fact, I think I just

790
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: saw a survey that said he was the fifth best

791
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: tight end in the league. I think they ranked Kelsey

792
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: and Kittle and Nerts. I think it was O. J.

793
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 1: Howard and Evan everything. Scott, you love these rankings and surveys.

794
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: No nobody picked up. Nobody sites surveys and ranking up

795
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: with him. He goes and he goes to investigate, goes

796
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: next question, I got to find the ranking to bring.

797
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: You know, we're right to by the way, Scott. But

798
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: you know as soon as you hang up, you're looking

799
00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: at that story. He's got all those websites that up. Yeah. Uh.

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Speaker 1: My question is because of how dynamic Evan England it is,

801
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: you can use them in a multifaceted way. But I'm

802
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 1: also talking about the other tight ends that are on

803
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: the Giants team and the question I had and maybe

804
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: answered in preseason or in practice. If a tight end

805
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: has a certain ability, whether it be blocking or passing,

806
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: and Pat Sherman has a scheme, a general scheme for

807
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: how the offense is going to produce, can you or

808
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: do they actually adapt or change schemes to take advantage

809
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: of the skill set that at particular tight end might

810
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: have so it benefits the whole team in other words,

811
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Speaker 1: be a blocking scheme, etcetera. Yes, absolutely, I think you

812
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: can answer that question yourself, right. I mean, you have

813
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: to play to you have to play to the competition

814
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 1: you got. You can't you can't put a square peg

815
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: in a round hole. I mean, you're really right, And

816
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: the coaches do that to an extent. You know, they

817
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: can't change the whole offense because your guy doesn't know

818
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 1: how to block. But I mean they're going to find

819
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: somebody that can maybe do a little bit of more

820
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: blocking than running. But yes, and I think that's one

821
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Speaker 1: of the reasons why it's a luxury to have three

822
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: or four tight ends is because each one of them

823
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: have a different skill set. Rhett Ellison is not as

824
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: agile and fast and as a good receivers as Ingramous.

825
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: So some of the quarter up to playbook, right, you

826
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: get a quarter of the playbook is involved with this

827
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: offense with Evan ingram in the lineup. And you know,

828
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: so the other one is twenty one personnelity, you got

829
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Speaker 1: twenty two whatever it is. So the answer to your

830
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Speaker 1: question is they create what they have to do with

831
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Speaker 1: the personnel that's there. Okay, the tight ends that are

832
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: on the team now, and your opinion, again, I haven't

833
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: been I haven't seen enough, but I really wasn't that

834
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: impressed in the in the games to CJ. Conrad has

835
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: been in but everybody's talking about him as if he's

836
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: going to make the team. Uh, is tonight a factor

837
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: where he might determine whether he's on the roster or

838
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: assuar as ratt Ellison, I assume he's a lock, and

839
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: potentially Scott Simonson as well. But I was just curious

840
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Speaker 1: in European and I'll take your answers off the your guys,

841
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: I was just curious what your overall opinion might be

842
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: as to who the remaining tight ends on the team

843
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: are going to be. And I think definitely it's definitely

844
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Speaker 1: a really a good place to look Tonight's, Tonight's game

845
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: and tomorrow. UM, Garrett Dickerson is a guy that really

846
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: I think that he's he belongs on the roster. Okay,

847
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: I really and it's gonna be a tough one and

848
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: I really think it to this point, I always thought

849
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Speaker 1: that obviously Ellison is there in ingram Okay Simonson, do

850
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: you keep Simonson over Dickerson? I don't know. I mean,

851
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Speaker 1: I feel like Conrad I think is going to be

852
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: on the team. I think he has played as what

853
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: played his way onto the team, UM, because I feel

854
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: like he just he makes him plays. I mean, he

855
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: hasn't had a great, great preseason and the game has

856
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: had like one of those wound me type of moments

857
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: that plays. So I think it's a crapshoot here, I

858
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: really do. I'm well, I I think that I think

859
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: the Conrad makes the team, and I think Dickerson is

860
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: the odd man out here. Um and you know, but

861
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: Ellison and Ingram of course, and Simons and I think

862
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 1: will be on the team. Well, let me ask you this, Jeff.

863
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: Do you see them keeping three or four tight ends

864
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: in your opinion? I think that I think they keep Okay,

865
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: So look, look, I'm gonna eli Penny. I'm not. I'm

866
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: gonna put him as category and usually he gets lined

867
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: up with the running backs when they break down the roster. Anyway,

868
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: I gotta believe that they're going to keep four tight ends.

869
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: So you think they could keep four? Okay, that's interesting

870
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: because I was factoring in Penny perhaps as the fourth

871
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 1: guy that holds the place of tight end slash fullback.

872
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: I think they we're gonna keep three legitimate tight ends.

873
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: That's what at least I was going through in my mind.

874
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: Because the reason I also bring that up is last year,

875
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: if you recall, Jeff, they kept four tight ends on

876
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: the initial roster. Darrell Adams was one of the guys

877
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: then when they made the six waiver claims that you

878
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: and I have talked about on various programs, Adams was

879
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: one of the sacrifices as a result of those exclaims.

880
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: So do they, let's say, assume they don't make as

881
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: many claims and they have a good feel of the

882
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: fifty three, do they then just keep three as opposed

883
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: to four like they did last time? I think right

884
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: now a lot of it will depend on how injuries

885
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: and other roster positions play a role in this conversation.

886
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: But if they keep three, I think Angram and Ellison

887
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: are as close to locks as humanly possible. And then

888
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: it becomes evaluating what is Simonson give us, What is

889
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: Dickerson give us? What is Conrad give us? An infairness?

890
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: Jake Powell who was recently signed to a young guy

891
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: who's playing catch up at a Monmouth who is a

892
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: teammate of Reggie White, long shot because of the clock

893
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: ticking for him. But Simonson, you could point to different

894
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: situations with all these guys. Simonson, for example, the last

895
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: preseason game short pass and just dropped it right so

896
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: you know, not that that's gonna define whether or not

897
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna make the team, but pretty well last year

898
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: though he did, he did play very well, and Gettleman

899
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: knew him from his camera line to days. Also, Mike Schula,

900
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: you look at Dickerson, He's been with the team on

901
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: the practice squad, called up on the main roster, and

902
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: then Conrad is really the new kid on the blot.

903
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: Of course, Dickerson's actually had more familiarity with the Giants

904
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: than Conrad as Yeah, yeah, I mean, and again, if

905
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: you if the cuts were tomorrow or today, and we

906
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: were reading today that Conrad he got he got cut,

907
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: it would not surprise me, and they kept Dickerson, it

908
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me the other way either. I'm okay. So

909
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: I think that that it's and I think that that's

910
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: a decision that's going to be a special teams you know,

911
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: which one of these guys can can fill our big

912
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: four special team spots. And I think that's what it's

913
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: gonna come down to. I mean, hopefully one of these

914
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 1: guys steps up tonight, you know, and and it will

915
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: make it easier on them and us. Well, I also

916
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: think part of the rationale is you know, you brought

917
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 1: up special teams. If they feel Simonson is a guy

918
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: because he's a veteran, he's reliable, Jeff, maybe he holds

919
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: more value. And also, I think, you know, let's not

920
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: be naive. A big part of the conversation is you're

921
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 1: the sience coaching staff. If we waive cj Conrad, Jeff,

922
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: what are the chances that he passes through waivers and

923
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: we can bring him back to the practice squad. I

924
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: think you have to ask yourself that if you're coaching staff,

925
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: even if you're the front office, if they believe that

926
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,479
Speaker 1: he can go through waivers, then maybe that is also

927
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: part of the rationale they keep the veteran, they groom

928
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: Conrad on the practice squad. To your point is you

929
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: brought up you could always be claimed off the practice squad.

930
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: So that doesn't mean that you're gonna stay with the giants,

931
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: but I think that's also a part of it. Shermer

932
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: has spoken very highly of Conrad whenever he's been asked

933
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: about here. But the reason why I'm hesitant with that

934
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: is Shermer also has talked highly about other guys, and

935
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 1: Shermer has talked about highly with respect to other players

936
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: in the past, and that hasn't necessarily always been synonymous

937
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: with the guys making the fifty three man roster. Sometimes

938
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: it's also because the guy had a good practice day.

939
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: And also sometimes coaches do want and I'm not saying

940
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: this is with Shermer, but Jeff, sometimes coaches want to

941
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: talk up guys because they know they're probably not going

942
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: to make the fifty three, but maybe they want to

943
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: give them a chance to claimed elsewhere and advice and

944
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: vice vice versa exactly, So you can't read too much

945
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: into pressors and quotes for that very reason. Well and again,

946
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: and I think the big one here is special teams

947
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: and also injuries at other positions that will eliminate a

948
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 1: roster position. So they're going into it today, We're gonna

949
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: keep four these tight end and then all of a

950
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: sudden the game tonight, someone gets hurt and now you

951
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: know what the final cuts coming in a week and

952
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: a half. And by the way, we can't keep a

953
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: fourth tight end anymore because we gotta go out and

954
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: get a seventh defensive back or if you know what

955
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. So it has a lot of ramifications

956
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: the roster and health of the roster will dictate some

957
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: of these back back in roster spots. Whether you keep

958
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 1: four here or six here or five there, that will

959
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: be the that will be the deciding factor when it

960
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: goes down to it. Now, the tight end position I

961
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: think is up for grads for that fourth position, and

962
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: if if I'm going to keep four, in my mind,

963
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: it's that there. It really is. It's a it's a

964
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: crap shoot. And now you've got these two games left.

965
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: And one of the great benefits of having the ninety

966
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: man roster these days, where before we are we were

967
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: at a seventy five cut down and in a sixty

968
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: this gives the opportunity to those players that we're talking

969
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: about right now, they go out in that fourth game

970
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: and say, hey, listen, I've got a chance to make

971
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: this team. I would have never seen maybe never, but

972
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't have probably been able to play

973
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: in this game if they had to make the sixty

974
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: man cut, which would have been there already been thirty

975
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: guys out of camp as of tomorrow after this game

976
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: or Friday or whatever it is. So it's a great opportunity.

977
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: That's all you can ask for. Let's head back to

978
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: the phone lines. Mike is in California. Michael to Big

979
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Live. What do you have for us? I

980
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: just wondering about the Giants pass us this year and

981
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: where do you think it's going to come from? Which

982
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 1: guys when we were dominant, we've always had an oc

983
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 1: straight hand and tuck group effort. I know it's a

984
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: three four now and we're looking at Carter, Um Olson

985
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 1: or who are we talking about? Well, you you gotta

986
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: look those two guys there are gonna be your outside linebackers, Um,

987
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden, Golden and then Lorenzo Carter. Okay, so and

988
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: then you got the backups that are in there. But

989
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: you know it's a three or four defense. I'm looking

990
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: at some of these sacks and pressures coming from the

991
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: inside with Dexter Lawrence B. J. Hill. I know that

992
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: you know he had five sacks least you three of

993
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: them were in one game, so you know how much.

994
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: But I think he's gotten better and that experience is

995
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: going to help him. Um. But it's a good question,

996
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: and it's a question that everybody wants answers with Where

997
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: is this? Where is the pass rush coming from? Because

998
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: when we talk about the draft last year and how

999
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: things were going. People were kind of scratching their head.

1000
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: Where where words or even in free agency, where is

1001
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: this pass rusher? You know you got? You got Marcus

1002
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: Golson Golden who had twelve and a half sex right

1003
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: lance two years ago, three years ago? So can he

1004
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: get back to that level? You sure hope? So you

1005
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 1: really do. It's the maker break facet of this team.

1006
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how I feel. So it's a very

1007
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: fair question that Mike poses. It's something you and I

1008
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: went into great detail in yesterday show because somebody brought up,

1009
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: you know, how the sacks are gonna be divvied up,

1010
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: and you and I were having conversations. I referenced the

1011
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: numbers of the career sacks for the whole group, and

1012
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: it's not a high volume. You also have a number

1013
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: of unproven commodities. I would be surprised if this team

1014
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 1: produces one guy in particular that does all the heavy lifting. Mike,

1015
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: I think that if the Giants are gonna have a

1016
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: successful pass rush, James Betcher is going to have to

1017
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: create ways for the opposing offense to have to be

1018
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: prepared for just about anybody. And I think he's gonna

1019
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: try to get linebackers involved, secondary players involved, And to

1020
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: Jeff's point, I would agree. I think Dexter, Lawrence, B. J. Hill.

1021
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: I'll even throw in Dalvin Thomas because I think all

1022
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 1: three are gonna be moved around. I think the ability

1023
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: for those three guys to collapse the pocket, not records sacks,

1024
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: but just to get pressure the gut will really determine

1025
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: what a guy like Lorenzo Condor and Golden can do

1026
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: because then hopefully it'll give them opportunities off the edge.

1027
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: But if you're expecting going into this season for one

1028
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: or two guys to wind up with twelve sacks, if

1029
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: the Giants get that, that means very good things. But

1030
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: I would personally be very surprised to see two guys

1031
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: on this team get twelve sacks or even ten sacks.

1032
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 1: So I think, could you see one guy with seven?

1033
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: Could Golden get to seven like Olivier Vernon last year.

1034
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 1: I don't think that's crazy, It's possible, But it's gonna

1035
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: be four from this guy, three and a half from

1036
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: that committee exactly. Really, it's gonna be, you know, like

1037
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: you hear the saves in the bullpen works by committee

1038
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: in baseball. I think that's exactly how the pass rush's

1039
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: gonna come about. All right, thanks guys, you're welcome. Pilson Pierre, Yeah,

1040
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: Pierrelson Pierre, I can tell you that right now. Plison Pierre. Well,

1041
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 1: let's put it this way. If he gets eleven sacks,

1042
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: we'll be able to probably again he's not getting eleven sacks,

1043
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: but he's another guy on defensive line, yes, and he

1044
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: should not be overlooked. Um, and I think that, you know, yeah,

1045
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: he's a he's a guy that's going to make the

1046
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: team and comes from Betcher's defense, and he's he's he's

1047
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: got experience in well, I mean, once again, you're talking

1048
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: about ten players of the twenty four in the front

1049
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: seven have combined for thirty four and a half career sacks.

1050
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: That's it. And nobody's had more than six and a

1051
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: half in their career. Okay, Marcus Golden's got nineteen, so

1052
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: he's the guy with the proven track record. But the

1053
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: caveat is Jeff as you mentioned, of the nineteen, twelve

1054
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: and a half have come in one season. That's like

1055
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: to put things in perspective. B J. Hill had a

1056
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: very good rookie year, he was solid, Jeff. But when

1057
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: somebody comes up in a conversation, it says, well, b J.

1058
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: Hill had five and a half last year, so it's

1059
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: not a stretch to say that he could get eight

1060
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: or nine. Okay, maybe not a stretch, but Jeff, three

1061
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: of the five and a half came in one game.

1062
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: If I have a player and he gets ten, correct,

1063
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: so he had additional playing time. And this is not

1064
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: to take anything away from b J. Hill. It's called

1065
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: the facts and perspective and context. Jeff. If I had

1066
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: a conversation with me, I said, okay, this guy led

1067
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: the team in sacks. Letter he had ten. But I'm

1068
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 1: gonna take it further. The ten sacks were spread over

1069
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: eight games, Okay, as opposed to I tell you a

1070
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: guy had ten sacks four games. He got the ten sacks.

1071
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: So that means that in the four games he went off,

1072
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: maybe they had injuries on the offensive line, the scheme

1073
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: worked against that team and they capitalize. But if you

1074
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: got ten sacks in four games, does that guarantee that

1075
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: if now I spread it across the six years later?

1076
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: So you can't really think that way. That's why team

1077
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: group efforts got to be the philosophy for the Giants

1078
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 1: as opposed to somebody exploding. And then and this team

1079
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: doesn't have your household pass rusher name, you don't have

1080
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: a you don't have a perennial all pro, or you

1081
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: don't have a pro bowler at this position, you know,

1082
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: like a clown Awnie or uh, you know J. J.

1083
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: Watt or Chandler Jones or you know someone like that

1084
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: at Klass Campbell someone that said, like, you know that

1085
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: every year has double digit sacks. This is this is

1086
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. And I think that you know, one

1087
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: of our over under our Factor fiction questions today going

1088
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: into our to our show tonight giving a teaser was

1089
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: personally this one of these questions was, will any one

1090
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,959
Speaker 1: of these guys have eight eight sacks? And to your point,

1091
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: it's hard. It's gonna be hard for one person to

1092
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: get it. The only two people that I can see

1093
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: even coming close would it would have to be Lorenzo

1094
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: Carter or Golden Marcus Golden, So we'll see. I mean,

1095
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: other than that, I can't think of anybody else that

1096
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: I could literally, like the the front three guys, there's

1097
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: nobody's getting eight sacks. I'm sorry, I hope they do.

1098
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: I mean, even Lawrence was fully healthy it Clemson exactly exactly.

1099
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: He's just a big man in space. He's a good

1100
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: run stopper. He can get his hands up and knocked

1101
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: down some some passes. And he's getting a lot of

1102
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: internal pressure around the quarterback. That's what his role is

1103
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: gonna be. Um. But he'll get some, he'll get some

1104
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: sloppy sacks just because he's around the pile. Of course,

1105
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: you know so. But I just can't see one guy

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00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 1: getting more than than Vernon had seven last year, and

1107
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: that was the team lead. Um, And I remember how

1108
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: many games he played last year. I know he missed

1109
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: quite a few, um with that ankle. So we'll see

1110
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: what happens. And then Lorenzo Carter had four and b J.

1111
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: Hill had five and a half. So yeah, and then

1112
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,439
Speaker 1: you had a couple of guys in there, like Carry

1113
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: Winn had two or one. You usually get that from guys,

1114
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: you know. Of course, you can expect some of the

1115
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: secondary players to get a sack here or there if

1116
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: they call a blitz. Vernon last year eleven games. He

1117
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: had seven sacks at eleven games. And to pride further, perspective, Jeff,

1118
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: I was looking up Kansas City and Pittsburgh tied for

1119
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: first in the NFL last year. They had fifty two sacks.

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00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: We're going to the opposite end of the field here

1121
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: compared to the Giants. But the point I one bring

1122
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: up is what you and I were getting into about

1123
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: double digit sack guys. When you have proven come out

1124
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: and he's on your team, what it does. So the

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00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: Chiefs had fifty two sacks, So I would just want

1126
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: to go through the breakdown here. I'm not gonna go

1127
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: through the whole thing, but they had multiple double digit guys.

1128
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: D Ford, who has since been traded to the Niners

1129
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 1: defensive and thirteen sacks they got from him. Chris Jones,

1130
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: their defensive tackle, he had fifteen and a half. Okay,

1131
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: so between two guys they had twenty eight and a

1132
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: half sacks right there. The Giants had thirty two. So

1133
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: that means what the Chiefs got with two guys, it

1134
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: took an entire team for the Giants to get. When

1135
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: you've got the ability to have somebody in your lineup

1136
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: that is like Aaron Donald or somebody that I mean,

1137
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: they could do wonders for the rest of your team. Listen,

1138
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: when Vernon came here from Miami, that's what you were

1139
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: looking for. Vernon was your guy that you wanted to

1140
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: get double digit sacked day in and day out. Vernon

1141
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: was a guy that, by the way, he never came

1142
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: off the field, guy never missed games. And he gets

1143
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: here and then there's something in the water. Then all

1144
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know the guys that he gets hurt. Um,

1145
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: so the Giants just don't have Now are they grooming

1146
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: the guy to be? Who knows? I mean, Lorenzo Carter

1147
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: could be that guy. Maybe he goes from four to

1148
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: nine sacks this year. That would not be out of

1149
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: the realm because I know that he's a better player.

1150
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: He's gotten bigger. Um, he's now working on his fundamentals

1151
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: and some of his his uh his rushes, and so yeah,

1152
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: maybe he can get those. I don't know, but if

1153
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: there's one guy that can do it, I think it

1154
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: would probably be him. And then Marcus Golden. I just

1155
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: got to think that does it come back. Marcus Golden

1156
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: has the highest energy of anyone on this team. He

1157
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: will be around the play, he will be around the ball,

1158
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 1: But does he have that it to get to the

1159
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: quarterback and sack the guy. He'll get a lot of

1160
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: QB hits. He's gonna be around the quarterback. But does

1161
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: he have that just one extra gear to get that

1162
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: nine sacks this year? I don't know. We'll see certainly

1163
00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: key importing questions to monitor moving forward into the season.

1164
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to throw in a few tweets here along

1165
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 1: the way and then we'll get back to the phones.

1166
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: Hashtag Giants chat on Twitter. This comes from at Will

1167
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: ms Rick and he says he has two questions. Do

1168
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: the starters play more than one series? That's question number one.

1169
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: You and I started off the top of the show.

1170
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 1: I would expect the starters to get more than one series.

1171
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: Does everybody? Does every starter play more than one series?

1172
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, because eli's maybe the wild card, but

1173
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 1: I think the group's gonna stay in for potentially a

1174
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 1: quarter today. I got, I got, I'm gonna say, I'm

1175
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: gonna go there. The starters will be in there for

1176
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: three series today. That's my guests. That twelve plays maybe okay,

1177
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: unless you just have one massive drive like the Giants. Yeah,

1178
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: if you go on a twelve play drive for six

1179
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: seven minutes, then you know, Sherman might just say that's it,

1180
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: I'm done. Yeah. Well, and that's what he did with

1181
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,919
Speaker 1: Eli last week. Right then in eleven play opening drive,

1182
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: I was like, Eli, take a seat. Yeah, perfect, you

1183
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: got enough. Second question, what matchup are you looking forward

1184
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: to seeing tonight? He throws out Corey Ballantine against I

1185
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: guess he means Tailor Boyd because he threw out Travis

1186
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: Boyd in terms of the wide receiver for the Cincinnati Bengals,

1187
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: Tyler Boyd. Excuse me, I think he was referring to

1188
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: they have a group of young whiteouts. Josh Malone is

1189
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: another guy, by the way, on this Bengals team who

1190
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: was a good wide out. A j Green's banged up.

1191
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: Remember he's still nursing the injury that he suffered when

1192
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: they went on that questionable turf uh in a practice

1193
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: during the course of training camp. So Malone and Boyd

1194
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: against any of the corners I think is a matchup

1195
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: to watch as far as the defensive side of the

1196
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: ball is concerned. For the Bengals, it really depends Jeff

1197
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: on who plays. I just don't know. I haven't seen

1198
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: anything for whose act Tailor is gonna throw out. But

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00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: I mean the Bengals got Geno Atkins. I mean it's

1200
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: been good tests for the offensive line to have to

1201
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: play against Geno Atkins, and then you clearly got a

1202
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: number of familiar phases with the Giants. Kerry Win, Carlos

1203
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: Dunlap is on the Bengals, so you know they got

1204
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: some guys the promise. I just don't know who's gonna

1205
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: get into games, So probably the tweeter is right. If

1206
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna look forward to anything, corner wide receiver matchup

1207
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: is the way to go, and Josh Malone would be

1208
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: the other wide out to see how he gives a

1209
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: test to some of the younger corners for the Giants.

1210
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: I think the Bengals have always had a good defensive line,

1211
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: so that offensive line for the Giants, you know, look

1212
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: for those guys to a good matchup against any one

1213
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: of those starters from the Cincinnati Bengals. They usually played

1214
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: very well. Um Gino Atkins being one of them is

1215
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,439
Speaker 1: a outstanding football player. I mean that he's really good.

1216
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: Another question comes from Anson windyst with Zach Dessie dealing

1217
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: with an injury, are we looking at the future of

1218
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: the Giants long snapper? Position with Tabor Pepper. Um, you

1219
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: know what, I a week ago, I probably would have

1220
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: said yes, but I didn't know how Zach was going

1221
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: to respond to the injury that he has. But he

1222
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: practiced all week, So I think that that's a new point.

1223
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: So I don't. I don't think so. But you know what, Um,

1224
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: he's done well for himself. He's pretty good. And um

1225
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: there's all we has. Seems to be a need for

1226
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: a quality long snapper. Um so, but I don't think

1227
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: it's time now, Tuese three. Let's head back to the lines.

1228
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: Charlie is in Portland, Maine, gracing our presence today. What's

1229
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: happening Charlie? Hey guys, Hey, you were talking about the

1230
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: lead offensive line of the Bengals. I don't think they

1231
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: are lead when you got Bobby Hard and John Cherry

1232
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: on the right side. We better get a lot of

1233
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: facts today tonight, because isn't isn't that Carter on the

1234
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: left side, so he would be up against heart? Is

1235
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: that true? Okay, So if we don't get any facts,

1236
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: were indeed trouble. We're in de trouble because these two guys.

1237
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: We should be able to get some facts on those

1238
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: two players. For sure. And if we don't, if we

1239
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: see that our rush is not there, our pass rush,

1240
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: then for God's sakes, Clowney is available, go again him.

1241
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: It will change the total defense will have the they

1242
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: can get at least nine sacks and not more, and

1243
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: it will change everything. So but I think we're going

1244
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: to get a lot of sacks tonight just because of

1245
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: their Their offensive line on side is not very good. Well,

1246
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: the Bengals have a number of injuries on the offensive line,

1247
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: though John Jerry is not guaranteed to be a starter,

1248
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: so I don't know how much she's going to run

1249
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: with the first team. Bobby hearts on the first team,

1250
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: but John Jerry is not necessarily a lot to be

1251
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: a starter on that offensive line, so you may not

1252
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: see him go up against the Giant's daughters. Keep that well,

1253
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: that's all right, but you're gonna see Hard go up

1254
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: against him and Bobby Yeah, yeah, I mean that's a

1255
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: that's a Flowers clone as far as I'm going. But

1256
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: you should be excited, Charlie. This gives you an opportunity

1257
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: to reminisce about your favorite former Giants offensive lineman. I

1258
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: would think you'd be excited about this game more so

1259
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: than anybody else. Yeah, I mean, if No Pettie was

1260
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: shooting up for the Bengals, you'd probably throw a party tonight. Hey,

1261
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: that's another guy that we we still have him. Get

1262
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: a swing tackle. Do you really think right now that

1263
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 1: you would be satisfied if Soldier went out for two

1264
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: or three games that left tackle that we've got a

1265
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: swing tackle that can go in and fill in for

1266
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: him and he would be adequate. Not so sure that

1267
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: he's on the roster right now, but I don't think

1268
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: there will be to will be that guy. But um well,

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Speaker 1: I meant just saying a veteran. We need a veteran

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Speaker 1: swing tackle, and I don't think that guy is on

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Speaker 1: our team yet. And h I just hope that Gettleman

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Speaker 1: doesn't leave that gap because that's going to be an

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Speaker 1: important gap when the time comes and you know someone's

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01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: going to go down for a game or two, you know,

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01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: gets rolled up on and he's got to set out,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna need somebody who can i mean,

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Speaker 1: really stepped in on that left side and get to

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Speaker 1: the right side. You can get away with it a

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Speaker 1: little bit, but even the right side, there's some really

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Speaker 1: good pass. Even if even if you go out and

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Speaker 1: you found a veteran and he's a swing tackle, he's

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Speaker 1: not a starter. You can at least insert him in

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Speaker 1: the lineup a little bit just to get some reps

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Speaker 1: and things like that. Eventually he would be ready to

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Speaker 1: go um. But he would be a veteran guy that

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Speaker 1: you actually could stick in there and a pinch, you know.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know if that guy exists yet,

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Speaker 1: I think, to be honest with you, Well, the one

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Speaker 1: guy though to look at is Brian Mahalik, because Mahalak

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Speaker 1: was on the team last year. Mahalak also has missed

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Speaker 1: the first two preseason games because he's been dealing with

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Speaker 1: a stinger, so I believe they are optimistic he will

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Speaker 1: play tonight. So if Mahalak gets back in the line

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Speaker 1: it would be nice to see if they move him around.

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Speaker 1: What upside he has to perhaps be that swing tackle,

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Speaker 1: because you know, when you don't play in the preseason

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Speaker 1: games and you're not taking part in practice, it's hard

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Speaker 1: to evaluate you. So he's a guy that I think

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Speaker 1: has gotten lost in the conversation just because he hasn't

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Speaker 1: been out there. Take a look at him. Tonight. Hey, look,

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Speaker 1: and a lot you know you were talking about linebacker

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01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 1: is like uh keek Lee and you know Smith and

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01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: vander Ish and those type of guys, and Sean Lee

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01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: was kind of like that type of guy. Those guys

1305
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: always have concussions. Yeah, they're always been injured, you know,

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01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: because they're smaller. Not how many games did vandersmates last season?

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01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: Well he didn't, But that doesn't mean that they're always

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01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: getting concussions. How many games in Van Wait didn't this heady?

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Speaker 1: My point exactly. Shawn Lee, Shaun Lee. No, No, you're right,

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01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: Shaun Lee was played by injuries. You're right, not just concussions,

1311
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: strings had a bunch of everything. That type of guys

1312
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: end up with a lot of injuries, and vander esh

1313
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: is going to be on the end of it when

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01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: an offensive line im hit him in the in the gut,

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Speaker 1: in the head because he's trying to tackle somebody instead

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01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: of covering somebody. Well you look at ogle Tree losing

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01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: that weight. I mean that might be detrimental to him,

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Speaker 1: It's what you're saying. Yeah, it might be yeah, you

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01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: know not yeah, yeah, I mean listen, some guys try

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01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: to try to, you know, recreate the uh you know,

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01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: to reinvent the wheel. I mean, you're a middle linebacker.

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01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: But you know, hey, listen, I we don't know if

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01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: the coaches told the losing weight or he wanted to

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01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: do it by himself, but whatever it is, you gotta

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01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: stay healthy, you know. And sometimes you've got those big

1326
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: You've got those big guards coming at you. Um, there

1327
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: are a lot better than you. Yeah, maybe you lost

1328
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: some calf muscle, that's what he's well, Charlie, just prescribe

1329
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: him some Annika. You know that don't take care of Look,

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01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: if they took Annica, you would have feel back on

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01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 1: the field. He wouldn't be having a hammy, right, Charlie.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many times I need to tell you.

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01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: Brush up on the resume a little. Send it into

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Speaker 1: the giants. They want to set up an interview with you, Charlie.

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01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: Don't shy away from the opportunity. There's no reason why

1336
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: they can't set up a room for you. With Annika.

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01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: You have a jar of it and you could just

1338
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 1: lay it all out on the table for as much

1339
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Speaker 1: as the players want. I'm telling you, your dream maker.

1340
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you a question. Why do they call

1341
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: it the Five boroughs because everybody lives underground and they

1342
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: come out once in a while to sniff the air,

1343
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: or how is why is it? What is it? Call that?

1344
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: See this sounds like a joke that you haven't quite

1345
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: and got to the punchline yet, and you're trying it

1346
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: out here on the program. We'll let you go on

1347
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: that note, Charlie, that was extremely weak. What are you

1348
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: gonna trying to assult New York City in front of

1349
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: my presence? Come on, you should know better. We live underground.

1350
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: I believe this spelled much time burrowing underground and borrow

1351
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: or probably yes, exactly, well I I picked up slowly,

1352
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: little by little. But you know, this is what happens

1353
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: when you have too much time in Maine and he's

1354
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: not used to the city life. You know, you try

1355
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 1: to get through some new material and uh, I would say,

1356
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: if we had the you know, car crash noise on

1357
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,919
Speaker 1: our thing here, I would play that because we don't

1358
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 1: play Charlie's intro at least when I'm at the controls.

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Speaker 1: You noticed that John for some reason has a fascination

1360
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: with creating ideas and programming to appease Charlie. That's not

1361
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: my cup of tea when I'm in this seat, but

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01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: phenomenal by Charlie. I don't just you know, I don't

1363
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: necessarily disagree. I didn't think you would. I just wanted

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01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: to make that clear in case any audience members like

1365
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: Dan in the Poconos, was controlling playing is. I can't

1366
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Speaker 1: wait for the day that that Will Beatie actually does

1367
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Speaker 1: announce his retirement. You know what, It's funny because the

1368
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Speaker 1: other day on Twitter, I was going to write, well,

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01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: Will beat He's retired, and then it just dawned upon me. No,

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Speaker 1: he hasn't made the official announcement. So I want to

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Speaker 1: keep hope out there for Charlie that it's possible definitely

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Speaker 1: sign with another team. Yeah, and and and as you know,

1373
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: the longer you're out there, the less chance you're gonna

1374
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: have to get back with the team. Correct, But the

1375
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: more of a chance you're going to have to land

1376
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 1: on Charlie's all pro get me a job offensive line team,

1377
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: that's right? So's you kidding me? He gets a trophy

1378
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: every single off season and a star on the chart

1379
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: to boot. That is gonna wrap up things for us

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01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: kick off Live. Yes, Well, our day is just about

1381
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: getting started, no question, yes, so just it turns out.

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Speaker 1: Terms of the layout of the land here tonight. First

1383
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: of all, for those of you in the New York market,

1384
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: you can watch the game on giants dot com. You'll

1385
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: have access. You can also listen to the game on

1386
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: tune in. You can also listen to the game on

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Speaker 1: w f A N six sixty a M. Jeff and

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Speaker 1: I are going to start the pre game at six

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Speaker 1: oh five pm Eastern, and that'll be in hour before kickoff,

1390
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: and you can hear the entire game with postgame coverage

1391
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: following the game for an hour also on w f

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Speaker 1: A N and streaming on on tune And excuse me,

1393
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 1: there's so many different apparatus. Is I lose my mind

1394
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 1: In terms of saying that, you can thank you and

1395
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: then stay locked to giants dot com for any news

1396
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: and notes following the game. So that is all she

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01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 1: wrote in terms of Big Blue Kickoff Live Giants Bengals

1398
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: tonight in Cincinnati. Big Blue Kickoff Live will be up

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Speaker 1: and running tomorrow at one pm Eastern. For Jeff Feagles,

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Speaker 1: I'm Lance Meadow. Enjoy the game, Enjoy the rest of

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Speaker 1: your Thursday. We'll speak to you tomorrow right here on

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Speaker 1: Giants dot com have a going