WEBVTT - The HoloLens 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:07.200 Brought to you by Toyota. Let's go places. Welcome to 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:14.400 Forward Thinking. Hey there, and welcome to Forward Thinking, the 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:17.079 podcast that looks at the future and says, I wear 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.720 my sunglasses at night so I can so I can 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:22.720 forget my name while you collect your claim. I'm Jonathan 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:26.720 Strickland and I'm Joe McCormick. And you know, if I 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:30.880 had had my pick on how to begin this podcast, 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:34.479 I would have said, we are the hollow men. We 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:38.120 are the stuffed men leaning together headpiece filled with three 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:43.640 D straw. Yeah, alas I was about to say, now, Joe, 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:46.120 you usually complain if I go beyond one line on 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:49.920 a song like but I was going to say, yes, truly, 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:53.120 we could be talking about hollow since we're talking about 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:57.160 the hollow lens today. All due to the request from 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:02.800 one of our wonderful listeners, right Andrew on Facebook. That's right, 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:06.160 So Andrew posted I Believe on our Facebook wall and 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.760 said to us, Hi, guys, I just want to say 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.000 I love your audio podcast. I listened to them on 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:13.520 the way to work. On the way to work and 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:16.360 and from work is often where I listen to podcasts too. 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:20.000 But anyways, Andrew continues Anyways, I'm not sure if you 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:21.880 do request, but I think this would be a cool 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:23.959 topic to talk about. And then he links to a 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:28.200 Wired article about the Microsoft Hollo lens. He says, or 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:32.800 he continues, it is Microsoft's new holographic goggles. I think 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:34.600 it would be a sweet topic if you talked about 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:37.559 the tech in future of holograms with these and other devices, 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:40.360 and also how these types of devices might affect our 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:42.800 day to day life. Again, love the podcast and let 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.640 me know what you think. Well, Andrew, thank you for 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.200 the flattery, but also thank you for the great idea. 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:50.320 I hadn't thought to talk about this on the show. Yeah, 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:54.040 I um, I actually missed out on the official announcement. 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:55.720 It was one of the few times where I was 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:59.240 not following a live event, you know, bit by bit, 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:01.800 and only heard about it after the fact, and then 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.400 I heard everyone talking about it. Well, I mean, the 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:06.440 thing is is that the live event in question was 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:12.320 about Windows ten, which is less tantalizing than a holographic headset. Yeah. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:14.200 I I just essentially thought it was going to be 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:16.440 the same thing as Windows eight, just with two more 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:23.640 two more windows copies of the icon actual physical windows 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:27.200 like in the building that they were going to. Oh yeah, 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.200 well I like windows. I do. I mean, we have 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:31.640 plenty of them in our new office. We do. If 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:34.160 we sound entirely strange to you right now, it's because 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.040 we're in a whole new recording studio. Also, we all 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:40.640 are a little strange. Yeah. Well, the new studio smells 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:46.919 kind of like freshly cut wood and still pickle chips. Yeah. Yeah, 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.600 the whole office does have that fancy new office smell 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.640 that makes you think that you're inhaling cancer right there. 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:56.480 To be fair, the building we're in is an ancient building, 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:59.720 so the rest of the building has that ancient building smell. Yeah, 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.760 and that good like avatoire kind of look. Well, let's 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:06.560 just let's say that you working in let's say a 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:09.480 space that's less interesting than our office. Like our office 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.080 is pretty darn cool to be, to be perfectly honest, 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:15.160 But let's say you're working in kind of a more 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:18.680 drab office environment and you have to get work done. 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:23.080 Wouldn't it be interesting if you could augment that work, 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.840 if you could end up using your physical environment and 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:32.080 augment that through technology, creating these digital overlays of stuff 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.160 so that your work now is not just more interesting. 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:38.480 It becomes more intuitive, and you suddenly have new ways 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.440 to manipulate the work that you previously would just be 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.880 using keyboard and mouse to to, you know, to interact with. 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:47.880 Why Jonathan, you sound like one of the presenters giving 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:51.000 the pitch for the Microsoft Hollow Lens. Well, you know, 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:55.880 I am trying to groom myself for such a position. No, dude, 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.400 I hope not. I mean no offense to those people, 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.760 but sure you want to be a little more objective 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:03.880 and not such a pitchman. That's true. That's true. So 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.440 the hollow lens is a really cool piece of technology. 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:09.520 I mean, I I am intrigued. I would be lying 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.520 if I said otherwise. However, there are also some elements 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:15.800 to the hollow lens height machine that we will address 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:19.400 as we go through this this episode this podcast to 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:21.599 kind of talk about, you know, what it is, what 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:23.960 it really does, and whether or not we think it's 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:26.320 going to be a success. I honestly don't know what 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:28.039 you two think about that, So that would be really 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.400 fun thing for me to find out. Yeah, well, Jonathan, 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:34.000 first I want you to soothe me by telling the 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.960 story of the hollow lens. Gather around children here in 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:41.840 Liza Taled. So when it was being developed, the Hollow 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:47.680 Lens was called Project Baraboo, not Baba Duke. Not Babba Duke. No, 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:51.760 but when Baba Duke comes knocking, don't answer the door. 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:57.520 But Baraboo is totally different. So this is an interesting project. 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.479 It was led by Alex Kipman, who is also the 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:03.840 same person who had pitched the idea that became the 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:07.640 connect sensor. Okay, so here here's someone who's interested in 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:12.320 user interfaces, interactivity, immersion, all of those kind of of 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:16.160 terms that some people consider buzzwords but really do have meaning. 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.680 You know that these are meaningful words. Sure well, he 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.400 wants to change the ways that we interact with data. 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:23.920 Sure yeah, Well, when you look at the way that 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:28.560 we've interacted with data, it has not changed significantly for 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.640 two decades, right, I mean more than that, really, I 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:36.640 mean once the mouse came on board, essentially when the 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:40.400 Mac was introduced, it's been pretty much that since then. 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:43.440 Not only that, but it's something that the people behind 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:46.040 the Hollow Lens keep pointing out. It's not just that 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.919 you use a mouse and keyboard to do almost everything 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:51.360 on your computer unless you've got some kind of specialized 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:55.000 system like a drawing pad or something like you but 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.200 it's that you do all your computing in the exact 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:03.800 same place. It's right behind this rectangular screen. Sure. And 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:08.760 it's also interesting that this is another attempt to change 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.760 the way we interact with our machines, similar to how 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:14.680 Windows eight was trying to get us to go to 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.680 a touch screen interface because tablets were such a big thing. 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:23.320 But obviously that was not something that got uh universally adopted. 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.919 A lot of people rejected the Windows eight approach. Thus 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.440 Windows tin coming out so quickly. So let's talk a 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.360 little bit more about the HoloLens and and how that 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:37.560 is trying to become this new method of interacting with 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:42.560 our data. UH. Before it was unveiled, a few journalists 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:45.640 were able to get a demo of this product back 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:47.680 when it was still called Baraboo. It had not been 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:52.000 officially unveiled and named yet. It wouldn't be until late 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:56.719 January of this year, two thousand fifteen, when Microsoft held 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.560 an event for Windows ten. Like Lauren was saying, and 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:02.279 during the event they revealed a couple of other things. 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.840 Because I guess and operating system, you know, that's for 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.400 some people. That's exciting news all on its own, but 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:09.600 it's not the sexiest thing. It's not the thing that's 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:13.400 gonna get a lot of people talking, particularly if the 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.480 people feel like that operating system is meant to be 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:22.520 an answer to a previous perhaps not up to par product, 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:24.680 you know, kind of the same way that Windows seven 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:27.080 is like, look at all the amazing things here, forget 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:30.679 about Windows to kind of kind of similar here, Windows 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:33.400 Tan is Windows Tan, forget about Windows eight and um. 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:36.400 They also showed off a couple of other things like 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:40.600 the Microsoft Surface Giant table as well, but the whole 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.160 lens was really what captured a lot of people's attention. 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:47.880 And it's supposed to allow you to see quote unquote holograms. 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:52.320 Uh now, really what's happening is there's a projector, really 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:57.000 to projectors in this pair of glasses ready imaging, not hologram. 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:00.000 But but that's that's our that's Jonathan and my message 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:04.120 from Captain Pedantic, right. Yeah, it's what you're seeing are 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.600 the reflections from projectors that are inside the glasses. So 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.200 it's like you're looking at a movie screen, but it's 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.520 a stereoscopic image, so it's like you're looking at a 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:15.720 three D movie screen, things seem to have depth, they 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.800 seem to have a presence beyond the flat surface of 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:22.640 the screen, or for example, something out of if you've 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:26.040 ever demoed the Oculus Rift, yeah, something like that, where 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:30.000 you have this this illusion of depth, and this illusion 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:33.960 is very very convincing, and you can have something that 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:37.440 looks like it's a free standing object made out of light, 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:39.040 which is what we would tend to think of as 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:43.480 a hologram at version. Sure, the Princess Leia R two 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:48.160 D two projections right exactly, the Arnold Schwarzenegger in total recall, right, right, 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:52.400 And and you can walk around those objects made of 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:54.400 light as if they are physical, so you can get 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:56.400 a full view of them if you can, if you 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.439 have clearance to walk around every edge, you will move 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.040 around as if that thing were truly present in the 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:06.000 space you are in. However, it's not actually there. You know, 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.920 if it were a hologram, then anyone could view it 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.320 in that space without wearing glasses. That's only that's projected 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:15.840 within the glasses themselves. It's not actually a hologram in 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:19.360 the same sense as what we tend to think of 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.600 in that in that respect. You don't need glasses to 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:27.080 see a regular hologram. However, it is a very handy 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:31.160 way of using it as shorthand, so yes, we'll probably 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:32.839 use it a lot. We we we kind of. I 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.480 I off offline Joe and I and apparently Joe and 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:41.360 Jonathan also had very similar conversations today about about that terminology. 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.600 I was confused about what y'all were saying when you said, 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:46.720 while it's not really a hologram, because I thought you 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:50.560 meant it's not really a hologram photographs in using the 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:54.240 lasers to make you know, laser interferometry too. Well, it's 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:57.480 not that either, which is I think actually in the 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:01.560 strictest sense, I mean when you say hologram, though that's 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:04.320 not usually what people think anymore right now, And that's 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:08.960 that's actually that That's actually my like captain pedantic argument 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.959 here is is that holograms are real things that are 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:15.320 really cool that exist all around us today. You probably 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:18.120 have one, like on your credit card. Um It's it's 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.480 an image that is used that is created on um 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.840 specific film using a specific laser process that is actually 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:30.040 so cool, like so awesome. It's difficult to describe and 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:33.160 real difficult to describe. We we we actually didn't entire two 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:37.080 podcasts about what holograms actually are way back in May 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:40.520 of um, so you guys can go check that out 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.640 if you want to hear the rest of this rant. Um. 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:47.520 But I you know, it's it's I oh man, I 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:49.360 just I just really like real holograms, and so I 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.040 get kind of itchy when people called three D imaging holograms. 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:54.120 But at any rate, it's it's so, it's it's not 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:56.400 it's not a hologram in that sense, but it's not 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:58.960 even a hologram in the science fiction sense of a 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:03.160 free standing digital image that you can see and walk 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:06.199 around without the use of some other equipment. Everything is 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.360 being projected within the glasses themselves. So if you were 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:13.240 wearing let's say something like the Oculus Rift that was 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:17.480 capturing a picture of your environment, so you're looking at 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.360 video of your environment, you wouldn't, you know, because the 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:22.400 difference between the hollow lens and the Oculus rift, well, 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.680 one of the many differences is that with the hollow lens, 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:29.040 you are looking through a pair of goggles essentially, and 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.800 you are seeing the physical world around you, whereas with 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:35.600 the Oculus rift you're looking at screens monitors, so you're 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:37.800 you know, they're not transparent. But if you were to 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:41.679 feed video through those screens, so it's the actual physical 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:46.560 surroundings around you, you could mimic something similar to what 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:51.360 is happening with the Hollow Lens and it would you know, again, 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:54.800 you wouldn't call that a hologram because it's just three 0:11:54.920 --> 0:12:01.160 D projection, but it's really cool implementation of three D projections. Yes, UM, 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:04.040 And we none of us sitting at this table, perhaps 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:07.960 obviously UM, have have seen the Hollow Lens, or rather 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:12.319 the developers demo version of the Hollow lens, so it's 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:14.920 hard for us to say exactly how it winds up 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:19.160 looking UM, but some people who are on the internet 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:23.720 have talked about it um after after having received a 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:28.480 demo after that Microsoft press release, and two of those 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:33.120 people are Deeter Bon and Tom Warren. For the verge Um. 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:36.679 They published a piece called up Close with the Hollow Lens, 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:41.720 and they described a particular demo in which a Minecraft 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:45.040 castle was laid out on the real coffee table in 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.560 front of them. And I just want to quote them 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:51.040 really quick, because it's better than anything that we can 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.200 probably say about how these images look right now. So 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:58.240 they said, it's not shimmery, but it's not quite real either. 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:01.640 It's just sitting there perfectly out on the table, reacting 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:05.240 in space to your head movements. It's nearly as lifelike 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:08.080 as the actual table, and there's no lag at all. 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:13.160 The castle is there. It's simply magic. Yeah. There was 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:16.040 also a good ride up of it in Wired by 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:18.760 Jesse Himpel, and this was actually the one that Andrew 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.679 linked when he asked us to do it, and she 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:26.280 was also impressed by Like she she seemed to think 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:31.600 that that it was actually pretty good. It reminds me, actually, 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:35.000 that description reminds me of when I got the Nintendo 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.240 three DS to play with here in the office, and 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:42.080 it came with cards that allowed you to use augmented 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.080 reality apps where if you look through the camera of 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:46.920 the device, you know you're looking at the screen the 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:50.920 camera's capturing the card that sent a command for it 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:54.400 to generate a little three dimensional animated figure like pop 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:56.520 up thing that you would see on the screen that 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:01.040 was projected or not projected, I suppose, added onto or 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.719 added into the image that you were looking at on 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.120 the screen of your actual desktop. Right, So if I'm 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.880 looking at the screen, and I'm looking at the card 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:12.600 that's laying on my desk, then suddenly a three dimensional 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:16.080 image of Mario pops up and starts to prance around, 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.520 and it looks like Mario is standing on my table 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:21.840 as long as I'm looking through the three DS screen, 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:24.280 It's like that, except of course, instead of being a 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:28.000 handheld device, you're wearing this pair of goggles, and it's 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:32.280 capable of showing you, you know, practically anything on practically 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:36.080 any surface with the right programming behind it. So it's 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:40.200 not limited to, uh, you have to have this particular, 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.880 you know, image for us to display something on top 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.320 of it. That's the way a lot of augmented reality works, right. 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.680 You've you've tied an app to a specific image so 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:51.760 that when you hold up a device like a smartphone, 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.160 it recognizes the image through the camera and thus you 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:58.200 get the augmented reality effect on top of it. This 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.640 is a little bit more versatile and start to really 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:05.600 show the potential uses of augmented reality beyond something like 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:09.360 a clever little marketing. Yeah. Another thing that I thought 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:15.160 was really interesting about it was the idea of projecting 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:20.800 media screens within the environment, and in an interesting way, 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:26.800 this makes goggles like these an alternative to the screens 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:30.240 everywhere environment that we've started to see lately. You know 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:34.360 where there's there's a touch screen on your refrigerator, and 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:37.600 there's a touch screen on all your appliances. Now your 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:40.840 coffee maker has a screen. You've got a phone in 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.880 your pocket, you're carrying a tablet, um, you've got a 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.600 laptop at your desk. Yeah, you got a thermostat that 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.840 responds to touch. Right. So the alternative here is that 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:53.120 you don't need screens on any of those things. Potentially 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:56.520 with glasses like this, if they can project whatever kind 0:15:56.520 --> 0:16:00.720 of interface you need onto these objects. So instead of 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:03.760 a fridge with a screen, you could perhaps look at 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.840 a fridge and see the interface for your fridge projected 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.360 on it. It's not on the fridge in real life, 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:11.760 it's just in your goggles, right. And then there's some 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.880 sort of connectivity between the goggles and your other devices 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:17.600 so that you can make adjustments, change things. You can 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:19.480 even have it where you call up the interface when 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:21.720 you're nowhere near the object in question. Let's say that 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:24.520 you're working in your home office and you think the 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:26.360 temperature is a little warm, and you want to adjust 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.680 the climate. You pull up the climate controls in your view, 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:32.840 you make an adjustment, you send it away, and you're done. Granted, 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:38.520 while you don't need screens everywhere, you do have to 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:42.720 wear a pair of goggle and and these things are 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:48.640 not lightweight or refined quite as of yet. Yeah, they're there. 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:50.920 I would say that they have a bit up more 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:54.360 aesthetic appeal than Google glass does for at least some people, 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:57.440 and a lot of folks. I mean, Lauren's making a face. 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.920 I think you might feel otherwise. I I feel distinctly otherwise. 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.160 I think, well, I think because the hollow lens is 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:06.600 not meant to be worn outside of your room, than 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:08.960 it has you know, whereas google glass was meant as 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.719 a thing that you wore all the time always. That 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.080 also plays a part in it, because because I have 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:16.359 I have a feeling of I'd be willing to wear 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:18.639 that thing in my home where no one can judge me. 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:22.040 I was opposed to I will wear this thing where 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:27.280 everyone will judge me. But at any rate, Uh, that 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:31.240 is a great example of a potential use for these 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:33.880 kind of glasses. And that's you know, just one of 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:35.800 a billion that we're going to talk about you. Yeah, 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.760 and of course the other thing being screens as in 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:42.560 for projection of media like television. I mean, so instead 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:47.640 of having uh TVs everywhere in your house, you could 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.280 actually just have goggles. You can look at a wall 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:52.959 and the TV that you want to watch is on 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:56.119 that wall. Now, which obviously you could also have it 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.600 just the size of the screen that you want to 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.440 see based upon the image, you know, your field of 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:06.040 view within the goggles themselves. So if you're thinking, I 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:09.359 want to watch this as if I had a television 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:12.200 and then you just see like a corner of Molder's 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:14.280 foot and episode of X Files and you have to 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:16.639 look way up into the right to see what's going on, 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:20.159 you could potentially do that. It's not something that was 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.760 you know, advertised in the Hollow Lens demo, but you 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:26.160 could do it. Yeah, we're getting a little bit away 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:29.280 from what the Hollow Lens currently is, although we we 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:31.520 do certainly want to talk about the future of the technology, 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:35.719 being that this is a future based technology show, y um. 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.320 But but let's before we get back into that, let's 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:41.959 go back into the reality of what it currently is now. 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:44.920 I mean, this is a pair of goggles. How how 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.840 are these goggles doing this? From what I've read, they 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:51.600 have crammed a really impressive amount of computer power into 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:54.239 this headset, and you can see why they need to, 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.560 because think about the kind of computing job that this 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:01.199 thing needs to do. If it's going to be staying 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:06.920 consistent with with really low lag or latency, projecting three 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:11.040 D images and onto places in your environment and recognizing 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.119 where they should go continuously even if you move your 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:19.359 head around, uh, continuously updating based on your movements, and 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:23.000 it's just got to be dealing with so much data 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:27.119 every single split second. Yeah. Yeah, and right now, the 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.240 demo kits of this actually have a thing that you 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:32.359 kind of hang around your neck where some of the 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:35.439 computing process lives. Um, I'm not sure whether or not 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:38.600 Microsoft is planning on changing that to a headset only 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:41.479 thing or Yeah, I think it's supposed to be just 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:43.879 the head So the pictures that that they've shown at 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:46.520 least don't seem to have that same I read the 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:49.600 same thing that don't seem to have that demo pack there. 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:52.920 It's been kind of menteurized and optimized. Obviously when you're 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:56.760 creating a prototype, then you're not worried about the final 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.280 packaging or anything like that. But when you've you want 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:04.200 to market it to either consumers or prosumers or business professionals, 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:06.720 however you want to determine your market. You wanted to 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:10.000 look like it's very sleek and it's going to just 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:11.680 work out of the box. So, yeah, this thing has 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:14.119 to be able to track motion. It has to be 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:18.000 able to map the images to that motion and to 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:21.399 the physical environment that you are in. If you wanted 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:26.240 to do something like create a a uh image of 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:28.879 whatever a prototype that you had in mind. You have 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:30.680 designed something and you want to be able to look 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:33.560 at it and have it sit on a table and 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:35.280 then be able to walk around the table and look 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:37.639 at this thing from all angles. It obviously has to 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:40.240 be able to render all of that and update it 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:44.000 in as close to real time as possible. Like Joe 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:46.360 was saying, without latency, I mean, if you add latency 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:49.040 in there, then that's going to be an unpleasant experience 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:52.240 or at least an unsatisfying one. Uh. Be a little 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:56.399 bit different than something like the oculus, where your latency 0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:58.640 is part of the problem about you know, you get 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:02.840 that nauseated feeling. And it's also because the environment you're 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:06.080 looking at in the goggles is different from your actual environment. 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:09.560 That's one big advantage hollow lens has that you're constantly 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:12.520 looking at your real environment, assuming that you haven't completely 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:15.840 covered it up in digital imagery, and you can you know, 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:18.520 as you're moving around, your brain is able to say, oh, 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:20.640 I'm walking around a real environment. It's just a real 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:24.000 environment that happens to have these hyper real things in it. 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:27.760 So yeah, it's it's really cool that they got this 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:30.399 technology to all work together. I mean, this is something 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:33.880 that we've seen in other you know, like handheld devices 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:37.080 and cameras and things like that, but never in a 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:40.680 wearable that could respond in real time like this. Even 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:43.240 Google Glass was not capable of doing this sort of 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:45.880 stuff right right, And if you're if you're wondering how 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:49.800 the controls work on this kind of thing right now, 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:52.320 it seems like look controls are a really big part 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:57.040 of how you interact with this augmented reality environment around you. 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:59.480 It's it's basically pointing your head at whatever you want 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:03.800 to interact with and using your head and neck gestures 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:08.359 gestures and floaty quotation marks UM as though they're augmented 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:11.719 reality quotation marks to to tell the computer what you 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:15.679 want to interact with. And there are some gesture controls, 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:19.400 but not a full suite of them perhaps yet. Right now, 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:21.919 it's mostly what they call an air tap, which is 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:24.560 clicking in your field of view with a finger as 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:27.080 though you're clicking a mouse button almost, And that's another 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:28.439