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Speaker 2: Oh Millie, there's I'm okay, there's a lot happening right now. Well,

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Speaker 2: I you know, let me just tell everybody the situation.

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Speaker 2: Hi Billy, Hi, happy to be here. Thank you. So

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Speaker 2: much for taking time out of your busy schedule to

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Speaker 2: what we're going to be doing here today? Absolutely? Okay,

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Speaker 2: Correct. Did you know about this, Millie?

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Speaker 3: I did hear you discussing annabel and you felt that

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Speaker 3: Also, did either of you ask for any spiritual help

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know what I went to A little angel? Sure, Okay,

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Speaker 3: This, you're right, and they can get out their own

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Speaker 1: Oh God, I gotta see it. I gotta see it.

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Speaker 2: you ever seen this movie?

438
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Speaker 1: No, but I know exactly what you're talking about.

439
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 2: This is such a kooky Lee Lee Marvin's in it. Yeah,

440
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: it's sort of like half melodrama, half incredibly violent movie.

441
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 2: It's filmed entirely in Bisbee, Arizona, so it has sort

442
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: of an interesting kind of desert feel to it. And

443
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: essentially Victor Mature is he works for this like mining

444
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 2: company and he had to work there during the World

445
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: War because they needed like iron ore for the war effort,

446
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 2: and he had to stay there working. But all the

447
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: other dads in town they went to war and like

448
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,479
Speaker 2: killed Nazis and stuff and could tell their sons they

449
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: fought in the war. And basically his son is ashamed

450
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: of him because he didn't like kill people in the war.

451
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: And he's like, you can tell, he's kind of like

452
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: itch into like I gotta, I gotta, I gotta do

453
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: something to, you know, win back my son, and he

454
00:26:55,080 --> 00:27:00,479
Speaker 2: does and it does involve killing a bunch of so

455
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 2: but it was, Yeah, it was fun. It was a

456
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: good It was a good movie. I enjoyed watching it.

457
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: Kind of outrageous. Yeah, then I watched Okay, I guess

458
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 2: I didn't watch that many movies. But then I watched

459
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: The lawnmower Man from nineteen ninety two, and you know what,

460
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: I liked The lawnmower Man. I thought it was good.

461
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 2: I like cyberpunk stuff, and I mean, this is like outrageous,

462
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: an outrageous movie, but like there's like a young younger

463
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: Pierce Brosnan in it as a scientist who's like basically

464
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 2: making a simple Jack character like smarter by infusing his

465
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: brain with like like manipulating it with virtual reality. It's outrageous,

466
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: but I had a great time this has enjoyed it.

467
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: Stephen King thing right, So I looked it up. Stephen

468
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: King wrote a short story called The lawnmower Man, and

469
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: they had the rights to it, but the director of

470
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: the movie had this completely different idea about virtual reality,

471
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 2: and they basically made that virtual reality movie. But the

472
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: guy who is the test subject is a lawnmower guy,

473
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 2: and they call it The lawnmower Man, but it has

474
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: nothing to do with Stephen King's story The lawnmower Man.

475
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 2: So Stephen King sued them and was like, you gotta

476
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 2: take my name because they it was billed as Stephen

477
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: King's the lawnmower man, and he's like, this is like

478
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: not my story at all, so he successfully sued. But

479
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: then in the home video release, the filmmakers were like,

480
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 2: I just slapped that Stephen King right back on there again,

481
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 2: and they got in trouble for that, so he's not

482
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 2: really related to this.

483
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, got it, all right, let's close it up.

484
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: All right, close that shit.

485
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Speaker 2: All right, we're back for our main discussion. K Pop

486
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: Demon Hunters. My goodness, this movie has taken over.

487
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, what a juggeror not? I so full disclosure, this

488
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: is the first time I've seen it, even though literally

489
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: everybody in my life has asked me if I've seen it,

490
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: and I at first I thought it was because they

491
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: were like, well, I know one weird adult, like one freak, yeah,

492
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: who likes K pop. But then I realized that everybody's

493
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: just watching it because it's popular. I mean, my nephews

494
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: who are young, who are like ten and seven, have

495
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: seen it dozens of times. I think they they're in

496
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: the double digits at this point.

497
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 2: And I mean that makes sense to me because I

498
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: when I watched this, I feel like it tapped into

499
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: something childlike within me, and I was like, if I

500
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: saw this when I was a kid, it would have

501
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: made me go insane, like with excitement.

502
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: Oh, of course, because it has action, there's music. It's

503
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: like boy groups versus girl groups. I mean, it's giving

504
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: Powerpuff Girls if you want to go down that road.

505
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely and wait versus Girl World Series of Love Frank

506
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: of course.

507
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: Of course, who doesn't like a boy versus girl World

508
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: series of Love? But it's also and this is crazy

509
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: because I feel like most of the kids that I

510
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: know have seen it, and most of their parents have

511
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: seen it. But then there's also just a bunch of

512
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: like random adults that love it. Like somebody sent me

513
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: there was a K pop demon Hunter's like club night

514
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: the other night in Atlanta.

515
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: Wow with liked would be so fun, Yes.

516
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: Wouldn't it? But there was like DJ's and it was

517
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: at a bar. So I'm like, Okay, I guess adults

518
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: love this too, which is cool. I mean, I'm like,

519
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what you think about this, but like

520
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: the thing that I love about something like this. And

521
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: by the way, there's gonna be spoilers for people who

522
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: haven't seen it, yes, just prepared as if we didn't

523
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: know that. But the one thing that I really love

524
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: about something like this is that and this did not

525
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: really happen much in my childhood. I don't know about yours,

526
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: but like this type of movie I think would have

527
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: been seen as like a girls movie in my childhood.

528
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know what I'm saying? Because the protagonist girls,

529
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 2: that's really the only protagonists are girls and the I mean,

530
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: the men in this are hunky, sensitive.

531
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: Boys who show their apps.

532
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: And there's there's a character named what's It's something about it?

533
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: It's like a play on words for a with abs

534
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: in it.

535
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: It is abs sogia.

536
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I like that abs. Like when they

537
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: see like our horny for abs in the movies, their

538
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: eyes turned to like emoji corn cobs because that the

539
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: corn kind of looks like abs.

540
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: And then they pop into pop pop, which is so cute.

541
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: But the idea that my nephews have seen this movie,

542
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: like they told my sister told me they watched it

543
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: five times in one day. That's crazy, which is if

544
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: you do the math on that ten hours. They watched

545
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: this movie for ten hours in a row. And I'm like, yeah,

546
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: the idea though, that everybody loves it like regardless of gender,

547
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: that this isn't just like a girl thing is so

548
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: awesome to me.

549
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: And I'm like, it feels very progressive. Yeah, I agree,

550
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: because even like when the Powerpuff Girls came out, you know,

551
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: that was the time where like Dexter's Lab and Johnny

552
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: Bravo came out and it was kind of like, oh,

553
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: boys don't watch Powerpuff Girls. They watched Dexter's Laboratory and

554
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: Johnny Bravo. But that's so or like Sailor Moon for example, too,

555
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: that was like, no, boys watch Dragon ball Z, they

556
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: don't watch Sailor Moon. Yeah. So yeah, it does feel

557
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: like progressive and revolutionary and it's like exciting and awesome.

558
00:32:59,240 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

559
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: I think I.

560
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: Did too, And I want to talk about a little

561
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: about this because like when I was down my research hole,

562
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: I just knew that it was going to be like

563
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: the number one. I was like, oh, it'll be number

564
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: one this week, And apparently all the songs from the

565
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: show are like number one on the Billboard chart as well. Sure,

566
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: but I have read that not only is this the

567
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: biggest hit on Netflix currently, but it's the most popular

568
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: movie in Netflix history.

569
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: That's not surprising.

570
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: And I'm just curious like your thoughts about well, I

571
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,479
Speaker 1: guess maybe to scope out a tiny bit, there's like

572
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: the concept of the Netflix movie at this point, right

573
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: because obviously Netflix has come into the film business and

574
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: has been a disruptor, as they call it, a disruptor

575
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: and pretty much like changed everything, whether or not we

576
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: all want to admit that or not. And to me,

577
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, there there was this whole back and forth about,

578
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,959
Speaker 1: you know, the distribution model of somebody like Netflix, meaning

579
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 1: that they own a film studio and they make films,

580
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: but yet will they be theatrical or are they just

581
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: going to be on their platform, like what's the vibe?

582
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: And we see now that they do release things theatrically.

583
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: They have their own movie theater right in la or

584
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: at least it's kind of their movie theater to play

585
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: with type of thing, and that's the Cinematech or the

586
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: Egyptian in Hollywood. But I'm curious as to like, what

587
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: do you think right now in like twenty twenty five

588
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: about the idea of there being a movie that you

589
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: can instantly, almost visually comprehend as a Netflix movie, Like

590
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: is there something about a movie that is made by

591
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: Netflix that feels different or just looks different or something.

592
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 2: First of all, Netflix's movie strategy has gone through like

593
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 2: a few iterations, because I feel like when they were

594
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: like really hitting it hard several years ago, right around

595
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: the time when like Roma was released, they were very

596
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: much like, we're doing movies that we want to win

597
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: Academy Awards. These are high end, prestige pictures, you know,

598
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 2: and those looked like films that would be in the

599
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: movie theater. Yeah. Then they're like kind of like round

600
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 2: two of that was sort of the Netflix movie which

601
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: you're kind of referring to, which I think, which was

602
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 2: more like movies like to All the Boys I loved before, Yeah,

603
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 2: which are like brightly lit almost kind of like wb

604
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: Old style wb shows that are kind of like movies

605
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: now like more teen movies, and those yet had a

606
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 2: very specific, brightly lit, not as cinematic look to them.

607
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 2: This is a bad thing to say about them, but

608
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: they look like TV movies almost. Yeah. But now I

609
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 2: feel like those movies aren't even getting made by Netflix

610
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: as much anymore. Now they're doing reality TV shows and

611
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: true crime documentaries.

612
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: They do so many like true crime.

613
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: I like really know where they're at in their kind

614
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 2: of movie journey, like what movies they're making. So it's

615
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: interesting that this animated movie is now the most popular

616
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: movie of all time. It's like, maybe this will be

617
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: their strategy moving forward, just animation movies, you know.

618
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: I mean we're looking at this top ten and this

619
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: is just for English language, Like this doesn't count you know,

620
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: Korea or any of the other countries that would enjoy

621
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: a movie like this, do you know what I'm saying.

622
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: So I think this is probably a good jumping off

623
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 1: point to talking about like the cultural references for something

624
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: like kpop Team in Hunters, because and I will admit

625
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: I don't know half of what people know about K

626
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: pop or what they call the Korean Wave, which is

627
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: basically just the proliferation of culture that has come out

628
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: of South Korea, you know, in the past, like what

629
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: twenty thirty years. So it's like I'm talking about not

630
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: just K pop music, but like squid Game, the K

631
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: drama world, you know, parason, you know exactly. And I've

632
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: joked about this before about how I feel like Asians

633
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: are having a moment and I like to you know,

634
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: sort of milk that being and that I'm half Asian,

635
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you know, we're having a moment. You know,

636
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 1: I'm my kind is a little bit more out there

637
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: and people are loving us. But it is interesting the

638
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: idea that Americans have gotten so into Korean product, like

639
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: just generally. When I say product, I mean like not

640
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: just cultural ephemera, but like food and music and like

641
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So I don't know, it's it's

642
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: interesting because I do feel I haven't watched K pop

643
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: Team and Hunters. It does it if there are definitely

644
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: specific references to the K pop world, which we'll talk

645
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: about in just a second, but it does feel a

646
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: lot more like less kind of in the weeds about

647
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: the details. It feels a lot more open so that

648
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: it's not like highly specific, if you know what I mean.

649
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 2: I don't really know anything about k pop. Yeah, and

650
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: I was able to jump right in yeah feet first,

651
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: that's great. Uh? Should I do a brief synopsis of

652
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 2: this movie is now? Would now be a good time

653
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Speaker 2: for them?

654
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 1: I think it would be a perfect time.

655
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: You know, we didn't say size Gangdom style that was

656
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 2: big too. Oh that was kind of an entry point

657
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 2: for I had no.

658
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: Idea he was Koreat. I thought he was like I

659
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: don't know where I thought it was. I was like

660
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: I thought he'd say, from India. I didn't know.

661
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go. Kpop Demon Hunters from twenty twenty five.

662
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: The biggest K pop trio in the world is a

663
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 2: group called Huntricks. It's comprised of their leader Roomy voiced

664
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 2: by Ardent Show, the angsty Mira voiced by Mae Hong,

665
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 2: and Zoe voiced by g Jong Yu. She's the upbeat one.

666
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 2: Besides being the world's biggest pop stars, they are also

667
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: ancient demon Hunters and protect the world from the dark

668
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 2: forces controlled by the leader of the Demon World, Gimaw.

669
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 2: Now Hundricks is absolutely destroying all of Gimaw's minions until

670
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: a sexy demon named Ginu, who is voiced by Ayosyap,

671
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: has the idea to start a demon k pop group

672
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 2: and steal all of Huntrix's fans, which is kind of

673
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: sort of their source of power. And if they steal

674
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: all of their fans, then the demon world can take

675
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: over the regular world. I don't really want to explain

676
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: why that's the case, but just it will, okay, And

677
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: that's The sexy evil boy band named the Saja Boys

678
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 2: is born and they are a hit, and they are

679
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: stealing fans. Things are getting difficult for Hunterricks, not just

680
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 2: because they are hemorrhaging fans, but also because their leader,

681
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: Roomy has a few secrets, one of which she is

682
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: part demon and that's a big no no. And then

683
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 2: two she and Genu, the leader of the Saga Boys,

684
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 2: romance is happening. Something's happening there, something very sexy is happening.

685
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: So this is kind of sets the stage for K

686
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: pop demon Hunters.

687
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm a Demon? Do you remember that from Timid Eric?

688
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: Do you remember we Will Forte when he would be

689
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: on Timid Eric and he's screaming, like you know, he's

690
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 1: playing this like crazy white guy character like he always

691
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: says it that he just goes, I'm a demon.

692
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 2: I'm a demon. I did not remember that.

693
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: You put it in the episode I Will.

694
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: Die I'm a Demon. I will put it in, Okay,

695
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: I must, I must.

696
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: So what were your thoughts, Casey?

697
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, I was getting like hyper, especially

698
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: the first couple songs because they are so electric and

699
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: like the song where they're like falling out of the plane.

700
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 2: I was hyped. I mean that really got me excited.

701
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: And also it seems like people are really people are

702
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: really juiced about the song Takedown too, even though in

703
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: the movie that's the mean one, you know, that's like

704
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 2: the naughty one. Yes, so like those harder, like more

705
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 2: aggressive pop songs really were thrilling for me. Yes, and

706
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: I had a good time. I really had a lot

707
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: of fun watching this. I thought the animation looked really

708
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: cool too. It almost had like a stop motion quality

709
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: to it. Yes, and it was I don't know, I

710
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: thought it was like artistic and thoughtful looking. And the

711
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: character designs are really cool, Like the Soga boy. His

712
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 2: hair alone is fantastic, Like it's like the guy who

713
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: has kind of like the I don't know if you

714
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: call it like.

715
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: A wolf cut. Is it a wolf cut?

716
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 2: It's the one that's kind of like a mushroom top

717
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: sort of where it's in his eyes, Like you don't

718
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: even see his eyes.

719
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 1: I don't think, Okay, I feel like you cannot see

720
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: several of their eyes. Let me a look at these

721
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 1: Soja boys one moment, please, because really the Soja boys,

722
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: I mean Gmu is the leader or you know, the

723
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: you know, I would say the leader of the band, which,

724
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: by the way, as we talk about k pop, that

725
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: is an actual role that's in a K pop group. Right,

726
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: there's a leader in every K pop group.

727
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: Would you want to be a leader or would you

728
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: want to be one of these like side people?

729
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: Oh no, I listen if I would be a rapper? Like,

730
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 1: let's establish this way up top. So in most K

731
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: pop groups there are roles, which we'll get to in

732
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: just a second. Because K pop is a factory I

733
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: hate to admit that. As much as I have enjoyed it,

734
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 1: over the past year and a half, I have really

735
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: started to understand the factory quality of this musical genre. Okay,

736
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: and and every K pop group and there's like raging

737
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: from three like the Hunter Tricks to like there's a

738
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: band called seventeen I swear to god, I think they

739
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,959
Speaker 1: have like ten members. I don't know how many people

740
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: are allowed to lead. Yeah, but you have certain roles.

741
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: So you usually have like bear Men's you have a leader,

742
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: and he's usually the guy that can speak the best English.

743
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: I hate to say it, I see, yes.

744
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: Not one hundred percent of the time, but for the

745
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: most part, he's the guy that is like in front

746
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: of the you know, entertainment tonight talking about whomever, right,

747
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: and he can speak English. Then you have on the

748
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: opposite and you have what they call the mackne, which

749
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: is the youngest member. And in this in uh Hunter Tricks,

750
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 1: I think it's Zoe, right, the black haired one. She's

751
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: the MACI and she, like the Mackne, is kind of

752
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 1: like a prized uh A member of the group because

753
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: they're the youngest, the cutest, they're the ones that are

754
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 1: supposed to perform the most cuteness I see.

755
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 2: Are they usually the fan favorite too? I mean does

756
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 2: it depend?

757
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: Yeah? I can depend. I mean I will say for BTS,

758
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 1: which is the one K pop band that I actually

759
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: know a little bit about. John Cook, who is the

760
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: Mackne of BTS, I would argue is the most popular member,

761
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: despite the fact that I like them all, but he's

762
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: got that special little something. And I also think sort

763
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: of generally like everybody loves a youngest kid. They're so cute, right,

764
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 1: And I say this as the oldest kid, I could

765
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: care less about young kids. Uh fuck you, You've got

766
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: everything you wanted, okay, Yeah, and the oldest kids had

767
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: to suffer alone.

768
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: I feel that.

769
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure you're the oldest too, right.

770
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 2: I am.

771
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 1: And then you have most times there's what they call

772
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: the lines, which is basically like rappers versus singers. So

773
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: you have like a rap line or in a vocal line, right,

774
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: and that is exactly what that is. Like guys or

775
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: girls who can rap, and then those who primarily sing,

776
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: and then typically you would have another member with This

777
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: is insane to me. I don't know why, but they're

778
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: called the visual, which is the hottest member.

779
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would probably be the ABS, that would probably

780
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: be as right.

781
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would not be the visual at all, clearly,

782
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: I would be. I would want to be in the

783
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: rap line. I think I'd like to be a like

784
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: what about you, I.

785
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: Want to be the little baby one. Yeah, I want

786
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: to be the young one. It's hard to resist. It's

787
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: it seems like there's less pressure. You just have to

788
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 2: kind of like be cute and if you goof up

789
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 2: it's kind of in character, you know, But I would

790
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: there seems like there's so much pressure to be in

791
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 2: one of these being Yeah.

792
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. Conversely, I would say being the

793
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,959
Speaker 1: mock name means you get infantilized, and so you're gonna

794
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: have to have your like, you know, justin Bieber moment

795
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 1: where you get a bunch of tattoos and you kind

796
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: of like, I'm amazing flip.

797
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I just sent you a picture of mystery

798
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 2: who is in the Saja Boys, and he's the one

799
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 2: whose hair is completely covering his eyes. That's the hair

800
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 2: of style I was talking.

801
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: Yes, I would like to say that that's a wolf cut,

802
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: but I don't. Yeah, I the Saja Boys are interesting.

803
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: I think the leader, Janeu is I mean, this is

804
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: gonna sound weird as shit, but I'm gonna throw it

805
00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: out there. He's so attractive for yeah, a cartoon character.

806
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: I mean he's hot. He's very hot. He reminds me

807
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 2: a little bit of show Atani, I know, Japanese, but

808
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: that tall, you know, tree of a man you could climb. Yeah,

809
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 2: Genu's got that. Yeah, he's And the guy who voices

810
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 2: Hi looks exactly like looks a lot like him. I

811
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 2: don't know if you've looked him up on Heosop. Yeah,

812
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 2: I believe his name is.

813
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: I know that he was kind of designed after Like really,

814
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: I don't watch k dramas, by the way, I feel

815
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: like that's a world that I should not get into you.

816
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 2: You think you'd lose yourself in there. We wouldn't get

817
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 2: MILLI back.

818
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: Oh, I think I would fall so far into the

819
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: core of the earth that I would never come out.

820
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: I mean you thought TikTok was bad. If I got

821
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: the K dramas, it would be game over. But yeah,

822
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: but yeah, I feel like his character was based on

823
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: these famous K drama actors who are all like hunky.

824
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: But I mean there are moments in K Pop Team

825
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: and Hunters where I was like, wow, like he's really

826
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: given a romantic look.

827
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 2: There, Yeah, what is up they? I was really impressed,

828
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,959
Speaker 2: like with the animation, like the facial reactions they had down.

829
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 2: I mean I haven't watched that many K pop music videos,

830
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 2: but they really had the moves down, the facial expressions,

831
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: the little like snaps they do, you know, and I

832
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 2: so it was like it felt like accurate. Yeah, you know,

833
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 2: historically accurate.

834
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: I would say too. And I mean I would be

835
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: remiss if I did not mention that all the Hunter

836
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: tricks are batties of the nth degree.

837
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you have a favorite.

838
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: Well, normally I gravitate towards and this is actual and factual.

839
00:48:54,680 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 1: Anytime there's a group of girls that are in a

840
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 1: property an ip like a movie or a TV show.

841
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: I'm always gravitating towards like the black haired one, who

842
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: is usually the goth.

843
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 2: Right, there's definitely a goth character, the angsty one. Yes,

844
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 2: but and that's a Mirah. But that's what I was

845
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: about to say.

846
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: I think spiritually I love Mira because she feels the

847
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: most angsty, the most sarcastic, although she is not the

848
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: dark haired character who is who I usually go for.

849
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 2: Spiritually though I feel like she is.

850
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, spiritually she is so it's hard to resist this

851
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 1: like baby Banged Frickly, like Little Puff Pigtails, Zoe the Mockney.

852
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: I she's so cute to me, And I was like, oh,

853
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: but she's a little too happy for me. Yeah, what

854
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: about you?

855
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: You know what? I would say, Mirror is my favorite.

856
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: She's like the most goth, yes, and uh, I like that.

857
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 2: There's a few things this whole movie is in some

858
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 2: ways propaganda for like big K pop.

859
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: Oh good like Jesuz.

860
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 2: There, I mean the basic like they're the crux of

861
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 2: the movie. A lot of times is like the only

862
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: fuel these K pop artists needs need are their fans

863
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 2: to love them and that like keeps them going above

864
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: all else. Yes, And I just thought that was really

865
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 2: kind of funny. Like that's kind of like what the

866
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 2: plot's about too. It's like the love that their fans

867
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: give them is what propels them, and.

868
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: That's who they want to save at the end of

869
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: the day, and that's who they want to save. Yeah, listen, Casey,

870
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: I've been in this. I've been in these streets for like,

871
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe like fourteen months, sixteen months, these

872
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: k pop streets. I am a total newbie. So please,

873
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: if you're out there and you're like I've been I'll

874
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 1: send a k pop since you know, two thousand and five. Okay,

875
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: I respect you, and you know what, if you want

876
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: to email me dear movies at exactly rightmedia dot com,

877
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: give me some education, but I will just speak on

878
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: my limited experience with the kpop world. You and I, Casey,

879
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 1: come from this completely other world, which is called indie rock.

880
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 2: Okay.

881
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: Now, I'm not saying in the current iteration of indie

882
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: rock that there aren't more commercial interests at hand. I

883
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: think we know that now, Okay, but it's really hard

884
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: I think for people of our persuasion to understand the

885
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: hyper capitalism of kpop.

886
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 2: It is something that I mean, I've just been listening

887
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: to Fugazi's in on the Kill Table. You think, you know,

888
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 2: it's like I'm not even I can't even like understand

889
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 2: what's going on with this, you know.

890
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: So this is something that I have thought about so

891
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: much in this world because, like I said, you and

892
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: I are we were raised on primarily American independent music, right,

893
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: where the narrative is that a bunch of people get together,

894
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: they maybe went to high school together, they gone to

895
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: a garage, they started strumming on instruments, and then they

896
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: just sort of figured out how to be in a band,

897
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: and then they went on tour and they slept on

898
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: people's couches and then they maybe got popular maybe, right,

899
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: it's not a guarantee, right, Yes, this world has the

900
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: opposite sort of origin story for musicians that and really

901
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, you can say musicians, but really kind of performers. Right,

902
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: there's a when it comes down to it, I feel

903
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 1: like the fan dumb of K pop is essentially the

904
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 1: whole It's the engine that drives the boat. Yeah, and

905
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: it's because you know, this is like these are. You know,

906
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: this is another country. I'm not going to suggest that

907
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: I know a ton about you know, the cultural you know,

908
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: ins and outs of South Korea or Korea, and about

909
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: what their entertainment industry is like, and what their beauty

910
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: standards are like, or what they what they expect out

911
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: of their celebrities. Certainly America has that too, but like

912
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: I honestly feel that, like when we're going to Fugazi

913
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 1: shows and paying like five dollars, Fugazi is not even

914
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: looking at us in the crowd. They don't even give

915
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: a fuck. I mean, I'm sure they care, but they

916
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: don't care.

917
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 2: There's actually some distinct.

918
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: Say they hate their fans. Any rockers hate their fans,

919
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: and they certainly feel like they don't owe anything to us.

920
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: Does that make sense really?

921
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, absolutely.

922
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: Whereas I think in the k pop world, there's this

923
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: thing called fan service, which is this is an insane

924
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: concept to me because of what we've just talked about,

925
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: which is that it is part of the training of

926
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: k pop to give fan service, and that includes like

927
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: doing fan signings and going onto you know, like live

928
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: environments like a Facebook live or like an Instagram live

929
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: in that kind of world to speak directly to fans,

930
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: look at them in the eye, tell them that they

931
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: love them, tell them that that they're that they're their girlfriends.

932
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: Do things on stage that suggest like love and appreciation

933
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: and maybe even like sexual or romantic attraction. And to me,

934
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: that feels kind of underhanded and weird a little bit.

935
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?

936
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 2: It almost feels like a phone sex operator in a way.

937
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 2: Like it's like you almost like you're you're trying to

938
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 2: entice them to spend more money on you, you know,

939
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 2: by like by being like I love you, you know,

940
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 2: you're so beautiful. Like our fans keep us going like there,

941
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yes, it's weird, Yeah, it is weird.

942
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: And there's there's like things in place that energize that.

943
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: Like all kip hop groups have a fandom that they've

944
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: named right, So like for example, if you're into BTS,

945
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: you're called Army, Right, if you're into a band called eighties,

946
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: you're called a tiny or whatever. So they're named so

947
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: you have a name, so you're referenced by name.

948
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: Mainly, I have to ask you what are our what

949
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 2: are our small but powerful group of listeners? Are fans?

950
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: What are they called so they can have camaraderie with

951
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 2: each other and we can offer fans services.

952
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is an amazing question. Well, a

953
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: large part of me believes that we should not create

954
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: the name, that they should create the name, right, just

955
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: to be like a little bit more organic organic crock.

956
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so and so we can be like, oh

957
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 2: my god, so they call themselves this, I would never

958
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 2: yes label than that. But but if.

959
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 1: Right off the top of my head, and this is

960
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 1: probably the worst name, but I can't help but think

961
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: it would be really funny if our fans call themselves

962
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: the shitheads.

963
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:44,959
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think this is actually good because it's more

964
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: descriptive of a type of film person. It's how we

965
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: use the term, you know, a type of person who

966
00:56:52,360 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 2: likes art house films and like difficult films, and so

967
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: it's also a type of person separate from like a

968
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 2: fan of our show. Yes, it's more like descriptive of

969
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 2: the type of person who would like our show.

970
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: Right. It's like we always talk about, for those not

971
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 1: in the know, being in your shithead phase when you're younger,

972
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: which is that you're pretty much exclusively into very esoteric

973
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: and hard to comprehend things. Because you want to be

974
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: seen as artsy or interesting or whatever. You know, you're

975
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: like in film school and you're like, Tartovsky is the

976
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: only director that I fuck with. Right, that's your shitheadphase.

977
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: And so we talk about it often. We both have

978
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: had one.

979
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 2: Haven't totally escaped it either, haven't.

980
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: I kind of love it. I still from time to

981
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: time go back. But yeah, I was like, wouldn't it

982
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: be hilarious for fans of a thing to be called

983
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: the shitheads? I don't know if that would legally work

984
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: in any kind of capacity, but I think it's funny.

985
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 2: Sure, I don't know what the SEO on that is.

986
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: But what about you, though? What is your thoughts?

987
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: Oh?

988
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: God, I don't.

989
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 2: I mean I don't. I think I think the Shitheads

990
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 2: is great. I think that's great. And if it's not shitheads,

991
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,439
Speaker 2: then I think we I think you're right. I don't

992
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 2: know if we should be the ones to ascribe a

993
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 2: name to our listeners, you know that's on that Yeah, maybe, Hey,

994
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 2: that's I'll respect it.

995
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: You should email us at Dear Movies at exactly right

996
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: me come come up with a fan name if you

997
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: want to. That's if we have fans.

998
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 2: If anyone's actually listening to this anyway.

999
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: So back to the K pop names, right, the fan

1000
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: the names of the fans. One of the things that

1001
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: comes out of naming a fan base, I feel like,

1002
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: is just this sense of camaraderie. Right, It's kind of

1003
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: like being a dead head. That's kind of what I

1004
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: like in this too. It's being a deadhead or a

1005
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: fish head or something. It's kind of a way for

1006
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: people to affiliate, right. But it's also I feel like,

1007
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: a way in two fans that makes them feel special

1008
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: and makes them feel wanted and appreciated to the end

1009
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: that you're talking about, which is you must buy all

1010
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: ten versions of this album in every color that color

1011
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: way that we've released it in, or else you're not

1012
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: a good fan or something like. There's that kind of

1013
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: vibe to it. And I mean it's not just albums

1014
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: they are. It's like it's kind of the supremification of

1015
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: things like limited edition merch day only merch, like tour

1016
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: merch albums. You know, you're you're getting nickel and dimed

1017
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: a lot by these companies. And these are huge companies,

1018
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: by the way. These are like multinational, huge corporations pumping

1019
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: out bands They're like, you're going to pay for English

1020
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: translations to live videos, You're going to pay for access

1021
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: to special merch, not just on top of the merch itself,

1022
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: but this special merch requires a subscription, and if we

1023
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: release a documentary or a live concert, you will have

1024
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: to go onto our platform, pay for a membership, and

1025
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: then pay for you know, as like you would pay

1026
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: for Amazon you know, on Amazon Prime, but then you

1027
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: pay for titles by title. It really feels like a

1028
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: huge investment. And so that's why I kind of like

1029
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: cringe about the fan service stuff because I'm just like,

1030
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Are you coursing me into are

1031
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: you loving me so that I can you know, buy

1032
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: your stuff? And so that I think is what to

1033
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: get back to the original point of Kpop Team in Hunters.

1034
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: I think that that is possibly why there is so

1035
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: much talk about fandom in this movie, right.

1036
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 2: You know what you're touching upon these corporation, these like

1037
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,479
Speaker 2: musicians as corporations essentially trying to get people to buy

1038
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 2: as much stuff as possible. I think and God helped

1039
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 2: me by invoking this name. We might need my mom

1040
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 2: to I'm back on to make sure we're not killed

1041
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 2: for invoking this person's name on the podcast. But that's

1042
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 2: sort of one of the things that makes me feel

1043
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 2: a little bit iggy about Taylor Swift. Yeah, and how

1044
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 2: much money people are spending on seeing her live, and

1045
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 2: you know, there's like the friendship brace, there's so many

1046
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 2: things that go into it. And it's not as bad

1047
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 2: as K pop, it doesn't sound like, but there is

1048
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 2: an element with her as well where I'm like, would

1049
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 2: you even consider yourself an artist or you a performer? Yeah?

1050
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 2: You know, and yeah, I don't know.

1051
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I said, I think it's because we're old.

1052
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 2: I mean the concept of selling out that like I

1053
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 2: would be fascinated to, like hear K pop artists thoughts

1054
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 2: on like the nineties idea of selling out like that's

1055
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 2: not in the concept that anyone can even does not

1056
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 2: exist nor have any understanding anymore.

1057
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: I would I would suggest, I would be I would

1058
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: go so far as I suggest. I think most modern

1059
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: musicians who are in that level of the game are like,

1060
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: why would you deny yourself millions of dollars when you

1061
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: can just make a million dollars?

1062
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

1063
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: Why would you be withholding and have your hair in

1064
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: your eyes and turn your back to your audience as

1065
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,919
Speaker 1: you noodle on your guitar, when you can just talk

1066
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: to them over their iPhones and tell them that you love.

1067
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 2: Them, you know.

1068
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: I just I think it's like a philosophical change that's

1069
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: happened in fandom in that way. And again, like I

1070
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: have to catch myself because I'm so wary of it.

1071
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's because I, like I said,

1072
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: I came from punk rock, or like I came from

1073
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: this other world. And trust me, like when I was

1074
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: a kid, I loved big bands. I loved like Janet

1075
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: Jackson and Paul Abdulla and mc hammer and all that stuff.

1076
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: But it's like I just have this running I don't know,

1077
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: mistrust of that in music and in movies and a

1078
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 1: lot of things where I'm just like, what the money thing,

1079
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: the capitalism thing is just always going to eat at

1080
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: me a little bit, and so totally it feels a

1081
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: little weird, I mean, quite honestly. And I won't say

1082
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I won't say that I've made significant financial

1083
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: investments into this world. I mean I've obviously gotten to concerts,

1084
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: most of which were free. By the way, I am

1085
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: thankful that I've been able to go for free to

1086
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: some of these K pop shows, but I've purchased a

1087
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: couple of little figurines. Look at this fucking pillow I

1088
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: got in front of me.

1089
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 2: We've got Choky, You've got Chookie.

1090
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1091
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 1: So it's like I have dropped a couple of times

1092
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: on this stuff. But it's like, I know there are

1093
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: people out there who are spending significant amounts of money,

1094
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: especially in the concerts. Yeah, I mean, paying like thousands

1095
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: of dollars to see one concert and going to multiple dates, traveling.

1096
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: You know, it emerged. I mean, it's just kind of insane,

1097
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: and I just I don't know, at a certain point,

1098
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, wow, this is kind of nutty.

1099
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: And but you know, to the point of the movie too.

1100
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: Now I want to talk about this because you you

1101
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: brought this up before I recorded, which is that there's

1102
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: this runner, this kind of like running theme in the

1103
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: movie about how hun Tricks never gets to take a vacation.

1104
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 2: This, Yes, this like really bothered me because there is

1105
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 2: sort of and I think this is sort of wrapped

1106
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 2: up in what we're talking about in their like relationship

1107
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 2: to work, and it's like well, we don't need rest

1108
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 2: because we have work and we love work because we

1109
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 2: love our fans. You know, it's like kind of like

1110
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 2: all wrapped up in one thing. But basically the beginning

1111
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 2: of the movie, they're like, we're taking two weeks off.

1112
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 2: We can't wait to sit on the couch. And actually,

1113
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 2: when you google this movie, this little banner runs across

1114
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 2: the top of Google and it says couch, couch, couch, couch,

1115
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:00,040
Speaker 2: because that's what happens in the movie. They're excited to

1116
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 2: take a vacation and they are like, we're just gonna

1117
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 2: sit on the couch for two weeks. Meanwhile, Roomy, the leader,

1118
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 2: right as they're about to start like the first second

1119
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 2: of vacation, she presses the release button on their latest single,

1120
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 2: and their latest single goes out, and before they're even

1121
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 2: able to start vacation, they have to go back on

1122
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 2: tour or like do press for this latest single. And

1123
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 2: at first, you know, Zoe and Mira are like upset

1124
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 2: that they don't have vacation, but then they see one

1125
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 2: of their fans out in the world and they're like,

1126
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 2: you know what, we don't need vacation, Let's go back

1127
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 2: to work. But if someone had done that to me,

1128
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 2: I would have literally like killed I would have like

1129
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 2: murdered them. I can you imagine such a.

1130
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 1: Thing listen, especially now in my middle age, I'm like,

1131
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: no one is going to stop me from that. PTL ever.

1132
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 2: And then at that moment, I said she is a

1133
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 2: demon for doing that. I wrote that in my notes

1134
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 2: and guess what. It turns out she is part demon. Yeah, but.

1135
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: That's neither here now. I So I do, like you

1136
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 1: believe it goes back to and again, this is a

1137
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: based on things and that I've read and sort of

1138
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: gleaned from listening to interviews with people who are in

1139
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: the K pop world and stuff. So you know, very

1140
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: generally there is a trainee system at work when it

1141
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: comes to K pop, which is basically, like think about

1142
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 1: it like this. It's basically like, imagine the music industry

1143
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: in your country is essentially like camp, right, It's like

1144
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 1: star search camp or American idol camp. And you know

1145
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: you're a young kid, you're you know, maybe into singing

1146
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: and dancing, and then you're like, I want to become

1147
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,439
Speaker 1: a K pop idol or something like that, so you

1148
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: hope to get signed up with an agency, which is

1149
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: like again one of these like big kind of corporations

1150
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 1: that are pumping out these K pop bands. Once you

1151
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: make it into that system, you're basically training every day,

1152
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 1: pretty much all day and all night into things like dancing, singing,

1153
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 1: fan service. They actually teach you fan service, They teach

1154
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 1: my dog is walking around. They teach you how to

1155
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: speak different languages because of course, like you should know

1156
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 1: Japanese on top of Korean, on top of English, on whatever,

1157
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: a little Spanish, perhaps a little French. You have to

1158
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: learn how to pretend to not have girlfriends and boyfriends

1159
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: and to not have a love life, and like you're

1160
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 1: basically on diets and you're maybe getting a little plastic surgery,

1161
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 1: and it's so it's this thing where you become and

1162
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: this is a trainee, mind you, this is not you

1163
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: haven't even made it in the band yet, Okay. So

1164
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: then what happens is you get to a point where

1165
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: you're maybe like I don't know, one of the best

1166
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: people in the camp, and then they will stick you

1167
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 1: or maybe like try you out with different people and

1168
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: then they kind of create a band with you. So

1169
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, you know how to rap a little bit,

1170
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: why don't you be in the wrap line of this band,

1171
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 1: and then you're a team now, and then we're gonna

1172
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 1: what they call debut you, and which is basically they

1173
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's basically like you're coming out into polite society.

1174
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: It's your like Catillion or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, and then

1175
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:35,759
Speaker 1: from there it's like you get put into the system,

1176
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: which is that you're releasing singles, releasing videos, releasing concept

1177
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: photos and whatever the hell. And then it's like you're

1178
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: doing live streams on your platform, you're doing you know,

1179
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: fan signings, you're organizing shows. So you're just kind of

1180
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: put into this assembly line of things. And pretty much

1181
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 1: every band has it. Every band has it in their own,

1182
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: you know, specific ways, but you know, it's pretty much

1183
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 1: the same vibe throughout every band. So to me, the

1184
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: idea that Hunterricks gets no time off seems accurate, Like

1185
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,719
Speaker 1: it actually seems pretty accurate based on what I've read

1186
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 1: about K pop bands, which is that they're basically working

1187
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 1: so hard that they're like not eating and they're like

1188
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 1: crying because they don't have a day off.

1189
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 2: And yeah, but like normally in the movies like this,

1190
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 2: it's like some manager is putting the force on them

1191
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 2: to make that happen. But in this movie, it's like, Oh,

1192
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 2: we just can't help ourselves. We just have to worry.

1193
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I do feel like maybe that is you

1194
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: do get indoctrinated into that line of thinking at some ways, like, well,

1195
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: if we're gonna make it, if we're gonna uh, what

1196
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: is it? The han moon? So this concept the han moon.

1197
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 2: Is I didn't really want to get into this because

1198
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 2: I found this a little Yeah, I did too.

1199
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: I feel like the han moon is what the the

1200
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 1: essence of goodness or something. I don't know. I don't

1201
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 1: know what it is, to be honest, but yeah, no,

1202
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: so you know, I guess what I'm What I mean

1203
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 1: about it is that, you know, they're basically like they're

1204
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 1: so dedicated to this task that they're like, I don't

1205
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: even get to sit on a couch for more than

1206
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: five minutes before we have to go back to work.

1207
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 1: And I feel like that is actually happening in actual

1208
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 1: game hop which is kind of kind of nutty, but

1209
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 1: you know, it is what they do.

1210
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 2: So can I talk about just a few just maybe

1211
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 2: as we're sort of wrapping up this conversation, but just

1212
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 2: a few things that bothered not bothered me, but we're

1213
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 2: kind of interesting watching this from a movie point of view.

1214
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 2: There has to be it. They have to be setting

1215
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 2: up for a sequel, right, Oh, like that was very

1216
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 2: clear in this.

1217
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: I mean I think the Sage Boys are its own.

1218
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:59,799
Speaker 1: They're gonna be like a Halloween costume, like you wouldn't

1219
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 1: believe this year.

1220
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:05,719
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but the end of the movie spoilers. Basically,

1221
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,879
Speaker 2: Genu and the Saja Boys are sentenced to the Demon

1222
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 2: Realm forever and they we like, don't get any resolution

1223
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 2: on that. It's like, oh, by they're in They're in hell, okay,

1224
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 2: and we don't like they don't escape that. But also,

1225
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:24,600
Speaker 2: so many people are killed in this movie. And I

1226
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 2: was so certain at the end when Hundricks was victorious

1227
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 2: that that would like release the souls of all these

1228
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 2: people and they would come back. No, they don't. They're everyone.

1229
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 2: All these people that died are trapped in hell. I guess.

1230
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 2: So I found that kind of dark. And then apparently

1231
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 2: Roomy is half demon because her dad is a demon.

1232
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 2: We never find any information out about that whatsoever, Like

1233
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 2: who is this guy? Yeah that must be a sequel.

1234
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, her parents generally are not in it right, Like, yes,

1235
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 1: because Celene. There's this character named Selene.

1236
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 2: Okay, I yes, you want to talk about Selene. Well,

1237
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 2: Selene is the one that took her in and trained

1238
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 2: her to be a demon hunter and a pop star. Yeah.

1239
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 2: But Selene is like, do not tell anyone you are

1240
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 2: a part demon because you look like a freak. You

1241
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 2: are a freak, and if you hide it, no one

1242
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 2: will ever know. And I was so certain at the

1243
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 2: end of the movie, because the message at the end

1244
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 2: of the movie is like, be who you are, be vulnerable.

1245
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 2: Your vulnerability is your strength. These are all great things.

1246
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:34,679
Speaker 2: These are all great things. But Selene never comes back

1247
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 2: and is like I was wrong, you were right, which

1248
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 2: I thought was sort of odd.

1249
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:43,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, because her character was sort of the like spiritual

1250
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 1: guide guidance. I was just like, well, she sucks, what's all.

1251
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 2: But it's like I thought for sure she'd be like,

1252
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, you were right. I love you. No,

1253
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 2: the last thing we hear from her is like, do

1254
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 2: not tell people who you actually are, because you a

1255
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 2: freak and our gross frankly, And I just thought that.

1256
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 2: So there were some like weirdly dark kind of things

1257
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 2: going on in this movie that I thought were kind

1258
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 2: of unresolved, and like, ginuw who is our lead hunk,

1259
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 2: our leader. He's in hell because he abandoned his sister

1260
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 2: and his mother And I was like, yikes, I don't know.

1261
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 2: I was like, that's that's a little bit of an

1262
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 2: insurmountable sin for me to like forgive this guy. I know,

1263
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:35,759
Speaker 2: but yeah, I don't know. It was quickly forgiven by Rumy,

1264
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 2: but I was.

1265
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 1: Like, you spoiler alert. I was like, he died, man,

1266
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: he fucking died, like he or he said, set back

1267
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 1: to help hell. I don't know where the hell he went.

1268
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 1: He evaporated into nothing. And I was like, that's fucking crazy.

1269
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 1: But also maybe he should have because that is pretty bad.

1270
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: Your mom's a bad mama, and your sister while you're

1271
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 1: in the palace eating fucking kimbop and being all fancy

1272
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: while you're mom and sister get killed or dying in

1273
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: the streets. Damn. Yeah.

1274
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 2: And like he's like I abandon them, and room, He's like,

1275
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 2: that's okay, that's not you. Now. I was like, I

1276
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 2: don't know about that. Girl.

1277
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 1: That's a red flag. That is a red flag girl.

1278
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 1: Come on, what in the world, Oh my god, anything

1279
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 1: else about K Pop Demon Hunters. I feel like this

1280
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 1: was such an undertaking and I I just have to

1281
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: thank you because I suggested it, and not just because

1282
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:41,799
Speaker 1: of the K pop thing, but just because it felt

1283
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 1: like such a huge current thing to talk about, you

1284
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

1285
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 2: I was intimidated. Yeah, it felt like I was taking

1286
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:56,839
Speaker 2: a master's course or like there's a lot of study

1287
01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 2: that is required. But I really liked this movie, really

1288
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 2: enjoyed it, and the songs are great. And you know,

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Speaker 2: if you're having to watch a movie eight hundred times

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Speaker 2: with your kids, there are worse movies. I will say that.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this, and I will say

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Speaker 1: first off that Hunterricks. Some of those Hunterrix songs were

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Speaker 1: actually done by this K pop girl group named Twice,

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01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: who are an actual K pop group. Can you see

1295
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 1: yourself enjoying K pop at all after watching K Pop

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01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 1: Demon Hunters?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we were talking about Fugazi earlier, so

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Speaker 2: I have an affinity for that type of music. But

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Speaker 2: I also I love pop music yeah too. I saw

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01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 2: Carl re Jebson in concert. I've seen Ariana Grande in concert,

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01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 2: so I'm not I'm not immune pop. I could see

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01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 2: you being like a Black Pink fan, A Blink I

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01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 2: like Black Pink. Yeah, I could see that for you.

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Speaker 1: I got to say, now that I'm thinking about it,

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01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 1: I really do think if I were to prescribe you

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01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 1: a kpop group that's currently out there, I would say

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01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:09,839
Speaker 1: you're a TXT guy, okay, and I'll tell you why.

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01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 1: Those are some sensitivos. There are some sweet little boys.

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Speaker 1: Their songs are really good. Like their songs are like

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Speaker 1: they kind of remind me of like eighties songs. There's

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01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 1: there's something to them. They're songs that feel and I

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01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 1: realize that one or several people are writing all the

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01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 1: songs for all these bands, but for some reason, their

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01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:37,599
Speaker 1: vibe is a little bit more sensitive. They don't really

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01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 1: rap very much. They have great looks to them. They're

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01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 1: kind of like tall and lanky, and they kind of

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01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 1: have like a poetic looking vibe to them. And their

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01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 1: songs are awesome, like they're kind of okay. I think

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01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 1: they are as close to indie rock songs as we're

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01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 1: going to get in this world. I just have to say, Okay,

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01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 1: look them up tomorrow by together.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Millie, what a combo. Thank you for

1323
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,719
Speaker 2: guiding me. So welcome.

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01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 1: Thanks for being so game for this.

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01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 2: All right, everybody, it's time for another installment of our

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01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 2: segment called my Area of Expertise, and we have two

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01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 2: experts on the show. Are our new best friends in

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01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 2: the entire world, Lizzie Bassett and Chris Winterbauer of the

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01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 2: What Went Wrong Podcast. Hi, guys, thanks for being here. Hi,

1330
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 2: thank you for having us. Yes, it's our pleasure. So

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01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 2: we wanted to bring you guys on to talk about

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01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 2: an area of expertise, which is essentially your podcast. We

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01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,639
Speaker 2: can give us a little description of your podcast and

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Speaker 2: what your area of expertise is.

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Speaker 5: Sure, so as you may be able to tell by

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Speaker 5: the title of our podcast, What Went Wrong details everything

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01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 5: that canon does go wrong behind the scenes on movies,

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01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 5: and we cover everything from the biggest blockbusters to the

1339
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 5: biggest box office bombs or big time floppers as we

1340
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 5: like to call them. And it's really just it's we're

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01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 5: not here to shame any movies. We are here to

1342
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 5: celebrate the fact that movies get made period, because it

1343
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 5: is so incredibly difficult to make a movie and so

1344
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 5: much can go wrong.

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01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 2: So that's what we explore. Where did this kind of

1346
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 2: start from, did you guys both individually have kind of

1347
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 2: interest in movies that were disasters in the production, or like,

1348
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 2: how did that begin? Well?

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Speaker 6: I had Lizzie comes from an acting background initially, and

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01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 6: then she became a producer, and I think, Lizzy, you

1351
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 6: can tell me if I'm wrong, but you could see

1352
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 6: through your product producing just all the random crap that

1353
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 6: could go wrong. And Lizzie worked for IMDb and doing

1354
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 6: their interview junkets, et cetera. And I'm sure got stories

1355
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 6: from folks that way. And then I was a film

1356
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 6: school douchebag who then had the opportunity to make a movie.

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01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I are both film school douchebags to film

1358
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,880
Speaker 2: school shitheads as well, sometimes referring to each other. I'm

1359
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 2: so jealous.

1360
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 5: I'm an acting school shithead, the worst one level below.

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01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 6: And after I got my diploma, which has, you know,

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01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 6: the douchebag title on it, I did. I had the

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01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,839
Speaker 6: opportunity to make a movie in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,

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01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 6: and it was such a hard emotionally hard, logistically hard,

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01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 6: and it was a tiny movie. It was not hard

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01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 6: by the standard of so many of the movies that

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01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 6: we cover.

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01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 2: On our show.

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Speaker 6: It was minuscule, but I really quickly realized I didn't

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01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 6: know anything about making movie, about how hard it was

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01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 6: to make a movie, And the minute it was done,

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01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 6: I had such deep empathy for anybody who ever attempted

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01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 6: to make anything. And I really came to believe that

1375
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:12,680
Speaker 6: every movie, good and bad, it's a miracle anything ends

1376
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 6: up on the screen. And so Lizzie and I were

1377
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 6: along with David, her husband, my best friend, were sitting

1378
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 6: outside the arc light at the Veggie Grill shout out

1379
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 6: and I.

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01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 1: Know that very well.

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01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, And so the idea was like, hey, could we

1382
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 6: do a podcast that tries to impress upon listeners how

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01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 6: hard it is, how hard people work to even make

1384
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 6: a bad movie.

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01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 5: Well, you're missing a key part of this story, which

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01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 5: is that I believe hadn't we just seen Cats.

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01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 2: Or we were going to see Cats? Cats?

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01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 6: Everybody was the entire world, but he was collectively crapping

1389
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 6: on Cats. And I thought, I bet you Cats was

1390
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:53,679
Speaker 6: really hard to make and a lot of people worked

1391
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 6: really hard to make it, and that was true, and

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01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 6: that became our first episode.

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01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 1: I will always like, remember this Cat was the last

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01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 1: movie I saw before Lockdown.

1395
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 2: I think it was mine too, really, and I.

1396
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 1: Was terrified that I was, so I went to a

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01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: rowdy screening of it.

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01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:14,559
Speaker 2: So yeah, we were all in the same one.

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01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 1: Honestly, at your rowdy screening, did they pass out bubbles?

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01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 1: So there was a point where there were bubbles? No,

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01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 1: I don't, I swear to you. I was convinced that

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01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 1: I was going to catch COVID. Like when COVID happened

1403
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 1: like the next week, I was like, well, I was

1404
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:37,679
Speaker 1: in that bubble room at Cats at the the Alamo

1405
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 1: Drafts House in downtown l A. I definitely have COVID.

1406
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 1: There's no way I don't have it.

1407
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 2: Right, It's a perfect like COVID distribution weapon exactly.

1408
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 1: Somehow miraculously it did not have COVID. But I will

1409
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:52,639
Speaker 1: never forget Cats being that movie that I saw before Lockdown.

1410
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 1: So but I have to say, I really like the

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01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 1: attitude that you guys have about the movies, because you know,

1412
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 1: soone like other people or when you're dabbling in you know,

1413
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, cult cinema or like any kind of thing.

1414
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 1: When you're talking about movies that are maybe like not

1415
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 1: super successful, I guess is the better way to put it.

1416
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,720
Speaker 1: There's just such a like a braddy attitude towards like

1417
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 1: making fun of it in that like you know, oh,

1418
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 1: or like so high above this like piece of shit

1419
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 1: or whatever. So I like the idea that you're like

1420
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 1: coming at it from the angle of, well, you know

1421
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 1: how hard it is to make a movie. It's like

1422
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: impossible to get things done. So we're just talking about

1423
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:35,759
Speaker 1: it in that way. I don't know, I like the angle,

1424
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

1425
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 2: It's really nice, Chris as a filmmaker, does it make

1426
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 2: you feel good every time you hear something bad happen

1427
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 2: to these people making a movie, or like, do you

1428
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 2: take comfort in the fact you're like it was so

1429
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 2: hard for me, it's so nice that it's like that

1430
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 2: was normal.

1431
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:55,600
Speaker 6: I feel a camaraderie, and I don't want to overstate

1432
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 6: that I do. I'm not saying Steven Spielberg's might peer

1433
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 6: or anything, but I I.

1434
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 2: You can say that on this part, I say, that's fun.

1435
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 2: James Cameron is my peer.

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01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 6: No, I do feel like when I've talked to a

1437
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 6: number of other people from a former film school, classmates,

1438
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 6: just other people I connect with, who have you know,

1439
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 6: everybody they've all directed their first movie or maybe their

1440
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 6: second movie, and we do kind of all feel like

1441
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 6: we're part of this club where we can commiserate a

1442
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 6: little bit and we're like, you made it, dude. Like

1443
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 6: whenever we watch each other's first movie, the first thing

1444
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 6: you say is just you did it, Like holy shit.

1445
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 6: It's kind of like when someone finishes a marathon. You're

1446
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 6: not gonna be like, here's your time. You're gonna give

1447
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:35,560
Speaker 6: them a hug, and you're gonna say, that was incredible.

1448
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 6: You got to the finish line. Congratulations. And I definitely

1449
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 6: feel that. And when I definitely I feel like when

1450
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 6: I watch movies now, even if I don't like the movie,

1451
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 6: I think, wow, how did they do that?

1452
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 2: That is so cool?

1453
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 6: Or that was a really interesting decision, or I wonder

1454
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 6: if that was a compromise, and I wonder what drove

1455
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 6: that compromise as opposed to this thing just didn't work

1456
01:23:58,000 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 6: for me, and I'm gonna leave it at that. So

1457
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 6: it's give me a deeper appreciation for movies, even the

1458
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 6: ones that I don't love that we cover.

1459
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 2: Well, let's get into this a little bit. You guys

1460
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 2: have some examples of things that have gone wrong or

1461
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 2: some rules based on like the craziest stories that you've

1462
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 2: heard that are sort of like through lines for all

1463
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 2: these movies. Why don't you uh let us know what

1464
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 2: those are?

1465
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought, why don't we start in just really

1466
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 5: the worst place possible on maybe one of the most

1467
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 5: insane movies we've ever covered, which I unfortunately rewatched large

1468
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 5: parts of prior to this, And the rule the movie,

1469
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 5: if you've never seen it before, is Roar, and I

1470
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 5: can tell you a little bit about it.

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01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:46,799
Speaker 2: But if you haven't, have you seen that? Millie?

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01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 1: Oh hell yes, I have.

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01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 2: Did I program that on TCM. I have programmed you did.

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01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 3: That?

1475
01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:01,679
Speaker 1: It was a classic what I thought. Other people may

1476
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 1: not have felt that way, but.

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01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, well, I think the rule that we

1478
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 5: are the lesson we can take from Ror is never

1479
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 5: filmed with one hundred and fifty untrained lions and tigers.

1480
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:14,599
Speaker 6: Which is like a subcategory under don't shoot with animals,

1481
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 6: which is the world that you hear and.

1482
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 5: Don't shoot with animals, but really don't do what they did.

1483
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 2: That's a good rule.

1484
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 4: Let me.

1485
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 5: It's not super widely seen or known for I think

1486
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 5: obvious reasons. When you actually turn it on but the

1487
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 5: tagline on it is a nineteen eighty one comedy. We'll

1488
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 5: put that in air quotes, and the tagline on IMDb

1489
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 5: is a naturalist living with big cats in East Africa

1490
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 5: expects a visit by his family of four from Chicago.

1491
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 5: A mix up leaves it searching for his family, who

1492
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 5: have been left in the clutches of wild lions. However,

1493
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,879
Speaker 5: if you are listening to this, you could stop the podcast.

1494
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 5: You can go to YouTube and you can watch literally

1495
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 5: any five minutes of this movie. That's all you need

1496
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 5: to see because the whole thing, I think Chris said

1497
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 5: this when we covered it, it is just ninety minutes

1498
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 5: of people actually being mauled by lions. There's no plot whatsoever.

1499
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 5: It's just people moving from one room to the next,

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01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 5: trying to escape lions, tigers, elephants, people getting bitten on

1501
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 5: their hands, on their heads. People are bleeding left and right.

1502
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:26,600
Speaker 5: I can use a little bit of background or yeah, Chris.

1503
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 2: Really quickly before you do.

1504
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 6: It's you're under selling how many animals are in this,

1505
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 6: because I think people are going to think, oh, one

1506
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 6: hundred and fifty, that must be different scenes. If you've

1507
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 6: ever lifted a rock, and seen like a swarm of

1508
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 6: bugs underneath it looks like that, but with lions in

1509
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:44,719
Speaker 6: a room, it's actually like just it's horrified. It's actually

1510
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:48,639
Speaker 6: horrifying to think about. It's so terrifying when you actually

1511
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 6: watch it. Excuse me for interrupting, but I actually think

1512
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 6: you're under selling no, just how insane it is.

1513
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.

1514
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 5: There should never be this many lions in one room,

1515
01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 5: nor should the lions be in a room in the

1516
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 5: first place. That's of the problem. But so it stars

1517
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:05,799
Speaker 5: Tippy Hedrin and her then husband Noel Marshall. Spoiler alert,

1518
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:10,760
Speaker 5: they do not stay married, and it doesn't have anything to.

1519
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:12,679
Speaker 2: Do with a lion eating him.

1520
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 3: No, he did not.

1521
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:16,640
Speaker 5: Die by being mauled by a lion, which honestly is

1522
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 5: stunning when you watch this because he's just pissing these

1523
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 5: lions off for ninety minutes straight. It also stars her

1524
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:26,839
Speaker 5: nineteen year old daughter, Melanie Griffith aka mother of Dakota Johnson,

1525
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 5: and also Noel Marshall's two kids. One of his kids said,

1526
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 5: fuck you, dad, I'm not filming with the lions, So

1527
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 5: kudos to that kid. Written and directed by Noel Marshall,

1528
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 5: and you guys will never guess this. This is his

1529
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 5: only writing, directing, or acting credit. I don't know why,

1530
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:46,560
Speaker 5: and I'll read you this as well. When it was

1531
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 5: re released by draft House Films, the tagline it earned

1532
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:52,599
Speaker 5: was no animals were harmed in the making of this film.

1533
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 5: Seventy cast and crew members were. However, that appears to

1534
01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:59,400
Speaker 5: be an understatement. It is likely closer to one hundred

1535
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:00,839
Speaker 5: casting injured.

1536
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, So, am I remembering this wrong? Or

1537
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:12,520
Speaker 1: was this movie either inspired by or inspired the uh

1538
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 1: Tippy Hedgron family to own their own lions? Isn't this

1539
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 1: like their passion was owning lions or something.

1540
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 5: Yes, so there's an interesting background on this, and you

1541
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 5: might be referring to there's a very famous Life magazine

1542
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:30,879
Speaker 5: photoshoot that shows Tippy Hedron and a very young Melanie

1543
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 5: Griffith with a full size lion. You can look this up.

1544
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 5: It is wild. At the time, it was purported that

1545
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 5: that was like their family pet who lived with them.

1546
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,639
Speaker 5: That's not actually true. It was kind of a staged

1547
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 5: photoshoot to try and drum up support for this movie. Oh,

1548
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 5: I see they did so. Basically what happened was she

1549
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 5: made the birds with Alfred Hitchcock, had a horrible time.

1550
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 5: He was extremely like a nice a.

1551
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:57,640
Speaker 2: Movie where she's being attacked by animals.

1552
01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 5: She has a bad time with animals and she really

1553
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 5: loved them, had a horrible time on that, and so

1554
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 5: she was really like coming out of a place of trauma.

1555
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 2: Basically.

1556
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:10,759
Speaker 5: When she and her at this point husband Noel Marshall,

1557
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 5: go to Africa while she's filming another movie, they see

1558
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 5: a plantation overrun by lions. He remembers that Born Free,

1559
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:20,719
Speaker 5: which is a movie about one lion, had come out recently,

1560
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 5: and so he's like, I can make a bajillion dollars

1561
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 5: if I do a movie with one hundred lions. And

1562
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 5: so they talk to a bunch of trainers. The trainers

1563
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 5: are like, you cannot do this, and then one trainer

1564
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 5: is like, well, you could do it if you raise

1565
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:38,479
Speaker 5: a couple of lion cubs together. That's the only way

1566
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 5: you can do this many in one scene. So Millie,

1567
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 5: to your point, they did start taking in I think

1568
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 5: babies at the house. They did not have a full

1569
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 5: size lion there, and she actually regrets staging it that

1570
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 5: way because it makes it look like, oh, you could

1571
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:57,440
Speaker 5: have a full sized lion as a pet. You absolutely cannot.

1572
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, no matter what people tell you, I swear every

1573
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:03,559
Speaker 1: time I'm going to reference TikTok a lot because it's

1574
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,800
Speaker 1: the only place I get my news. When people on

1575
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 1: TikTok will show you that it's possible for you to

1576
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 1: like just bring wild animals into your home and like

1577
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 1: raise these pets as babies. Oh we found this baby

1578
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 1: rhino or whatever, and then you're just like, well, now

1579
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 1: they're a part of the family. And I'm sitting here

1580
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 1: going have none of you seen Roar. I mean, this

1581
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 1: is insane, Like you can't just do this and promote

1582
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 1: that it is a thing you can do to.

1583
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:32,559
Speaker 5: Other for other people do, right, Although if you watch ror,

1584
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 5: it is not going to make you want any of

1585
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:36,439
Speaker 5: these animals as pets.

1586
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:39,679
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm surprised Roar, like one minute roar clips haven't

1587
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 6: become a viral TikTok trend because they I think if

1588
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:45,639
Speaker 6: people saw them now they would actually think they're ai

1589
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 6: because yeah, it doesn't look real, too unreasonable.

1590
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, so when they began filming, they had one

1591
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 5: hundred and thirty two big cats excuse me, one elephant,

1592
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:59,719
Speaker 5: three sheep, as well as ostriches, flamingos, marraboo, storks, black

1593
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:04,559
Speaker 5: swan and many many. Moore, I have a tallly of

1594
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 5: the injuries on set. If you would like to hear them,

1595
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 5: let's go.

1596
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:11,760
Speaker 2: All right, I'm ready. It's gnarly, it's bad.

1597
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 5: So Noel Marshall he developed Gangreen and he was bitten

1598
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 5: over eleven times, several of which you can see on screen.

1599
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:22,799
Speaker 5: There's a part early on where the lion just fully

1600
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 5: bites through his hand and his hand is bleeding, and

1601
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 5: he's like, you know, he's a horrible actor, but give

1602
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 5: him credit for standing character.

1603
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 2: The whole time. He just doesn't stop. It's really it's

1604
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:38,720
Speaker 2: really strange. Tippy Hedron did not make it out unscathed.

1605
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 2: She was picked up and had her leg crushed by

1606
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 2: the elephant, which she also developed Gangreen from that. She

1607
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 2: was scratched on the arm by a leopard, bitten on

1608
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:51,680
Speaker 2: the chest by a cougar, and in footage they were

1609
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 2: trying to shoot to actually promote the movie, a lion

1610
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 2: named Cherries bit her head and she said she could

1611
01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 2: hear the sound of its teeth scraping her skull. Wow, golly,

1612
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:06,960
Speaker 2: I still made the money. Yeah, he reminds me of

1613
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:10,560
Speaker 2: Tiger King. Shit. Yeah, well you got to get to

1614
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 2: yondubont I will.

1615
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 5: He's coming later, So Melanie Griffith as a reminder, Tippy

1616
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:18,240
Speaker 5: Hedrons at this point, I believe nineteen year old daughter,

1617
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:21,920
Speaker 5: who had a burgeoning acting career for which I think

1618
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 5: you might need your face and both of your eyeballs,

1619
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:27,519
Speaker 5: was attacked in the face by a lioness, which resulted

1620
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 5: in fifty stitches. They thought she was going to lose

1621
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,720
Speaker 5: an eye and be permanently disfigured. She had to have

1622
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:34,559
Speaker 5: reconstructive surgery after this.

1623
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 2: My god.

1624
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:38,600
Speaker 5: Both of his kids were also attacked. One of them

1625
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 5: was bitten on the back of the head by a lion,

1626
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 5: the other one was bitten in the thigh by a lion. However,

1627
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 5: as Chris pointed out, the most upsetting injuries belonged to

1628
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 5: Yon Debant, who you may know would go on to

1629
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 5: be the director of Twister, Speed, many more things. At

1630
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 5: this point, he was a cinematographer and he got scalped

1631
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:02,519
Speaker 5: by Cherry's literally ripped a scalp off two hundred and

1632
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:06,880
Speaker 5: twenty stitches. Yeah, and then the worst one, the poor

1633
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 5: assistant director suppared bites in the face, throat, chest, thigh,

1634
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 5: and almost had his ear ripped off. He needed four

1635
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 5: and a half hours of surgery after an attack.

1636
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:20,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we're just talking about ads.

1637
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:23,360
Speaker 1: Casey r was one of our most recent episodes.

1638
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:26,240
Speaker 5: Poor ab Yeah, the most thankless job. And then also

1639
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:27,920
Speaker 5: you're getting mauled by a lion during it.

1640
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:32,800
Speaker 2: Have you guys done twister on the podcast too? Yeah? Okay, cool,

1641
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 2: I know that. I know Yonder Bant was sort of

1642
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:38,160
Speaker 2: responsible for some behind the scenes made Well, if you've.

1643
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:40,479
Speaker 5: Been scalped by a lion, maybe you have a higher

1644
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:41,280
Speaker 5: threshold for.

1645
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:43,920
Speaker 6: I think, yeah, I think that speaks to Lizzie kind

1646
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:46,760
Speaker 6: of like the rule that kind of the problem that

1647
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:49,640
Speaker 6: extends from this rule that we've seen a lot on

1648
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:52,559
Speaker 6: the podcast is when you there's a temptation to want

1649
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:54,800
Speaker 6: to be the good soldier on any movie set because

1650
01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:57,839
Speaker 6: there's so much money being spent. You know, you're spending

1651
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 6: even on an independent film, you know, one hundred thousand

1652
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:03,679
Speaker 6: dollars a day. That would could be a completely reasonable

1653
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:06,679
Speaker 6: amount of money if you just amortize the budget across

1654
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 6: the shooting schedule. And so if you miss an hour, right,

1655
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:12,160
Speaker 6: that could be ten thousand dollars, and so there can

1656
01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:15,439
Speaker 6: be a temptation or a pressure if you're an actor

1657
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:18,640
Speaker 6: you know, or really anybody director or below, to just

1658
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:21,519
Speaker 6: want to go with whatever suggested, no matter what the

1659
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 6: safety precautions or lack thereof are. And if you are

1660
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:27,720
Speaker 6: somebody who's shot with one hundred and thirty two big

1661
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 6: cats and been scalped and lived to tell the tale,

1662
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:34,000
Speaker 6: you may have a different threshold for what you're comfortable

1663
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 6: with on set then a young actress like you know,

1664
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:42,080
Speaker 6: excuse me, Helen Hunt in Twister, or Bill Paxton for

1665
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 6: that matter. And so there were injuries on the Twister set,

1666
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:48,559
Speaker 6: and they were also dropping things from helicopters near the car,

1667
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:50,880
Speaker 6: and the crew felt that the cast felt they were

1668
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 6: getting a little too close, and John's like, okay, let's

1669
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 6: all calm down. I got scalped by a lion. We

1670
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 6: don't need to worry about what's falling out of the helicopter.

1671
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 2: And Undebon is a bit of a mad man.

1672
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:04,800
Speaker 6: And I think you would, yeah, gladly take that title

1673
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:08,240
Speaker 6: or descriptor, and that it's important on all of these

1674
01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 6: film sets to have independent bodies who are responsible for

1675
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:14,880
Speaker 6: the safety of all of your performers and all of

1676
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:18,400
Speaker 6: your crew because people have died on these movies, and

1677
01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:21,040
Speaker 6: no movie is worth somebody's life.

1678
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:23,720
Speaker 2: You're so right, Chris, with like the kind of like

1679
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:26,639
Speaker 2: good soldier attitude on a film set that sort of ingrained,

1680
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:29,800
Speaker 2: you know, back on our shithead film school days. That

1681
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 2: was like a very much a big thing where it's

1682
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:34,200
Speaker 2: like it's a point of pride if you worked on

1683
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:37,000
Speaker 2: a set for like twenty hours straight or you like

1684
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:40,600
Speaker 2: haven't slept in four days or like, which is so dangerous.

1685
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:43,280
Speaker 5: I mean people are killing people, falling asleep at the wheel,

1686
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 5: leaving movie sets. Like it's not it's not a cool thing.

1687
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 2: Yes, it's not a badge of honor. It really is

1688
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 2: one of those things that I feel like needs to

1689
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:57,559
Speaker 2: become disentangled from making movie the movie making process, because

1690
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 2: it doesn't need to be that way. It doesn't don't

1691
01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:05,479
Speaker 2: need to like die for your art, and it doesn't

1692
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 2: mean you're not a real filmmaker if you're not like

1693
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 2: near death making it, you know, even though it always

1694
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:12,639
Speaker 2: feels like that.

1695
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:14,599
Speaker 6: But yeah, if you guys want to read a great

1696
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 6: book from a director who I think really understood that,

1697
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 6: Sidney Lumetz, making movies is Yes.

1698
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:22,800
Speaker 2: I have read that book, and I love how there's

1699
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:25,639
Speaker 2: so much about his lunch routine.

1700
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, and just driving to set, you know, and speaking

1701
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 6: with the actors. And they worked, They worked hard. It

1702
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 6: was a hard you know. I don't think he was

1703
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:34,559
Speaker 6: an easy director. He worked people hard, but it was

1704
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 6: reasonable and there were expectations, there was an understanding that

1705
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:42,679
Speaker 6: it's a collaborative medium and he I admire him greatly

1706
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 6: as a director. And it's a wonderful book. If you

1707
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:46,439
Speaker 6: guys are interested in movies, in the process of making

1708
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:48,320
Speaker 6: movies and what it is to be a director.

1709
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely great book. Do you guys want to move

1710
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:54,880
Speaker 2: on to another this is fascinating about roor I feel

1711
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:56,960
Speaker 2: like we could if you guys are interested in more

1712
01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:58,200
Speaker 2: animal nonsense.

1713
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 6: Doctor Doolittle, The Rex Hair and One is another great example.

1714
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:04,120
Speaker 6: The Favorite also a terrible movie.

1715
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:06,960
Speaker 2: That is a bad movie. I have seen that. Yeah,

1716
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:11,599
Speaker 2: it's it's not the greatest. No, it's not great.

1717
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:15,400
Speaker 6: It's pretty slow, No it's yeah, but a draft did

1718
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:17,559
Speaker 6: step on its own penis and they had to shut

1719
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 6: down production as a result. They and again they used

1720
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:25,639
Speaker 6: like twelve hundred a animals in that movie, not all

1721
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:28,679
Speaker 6: big cats much better, it seems like in terms of safety.

1722
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:30,800
Speaker 6: But it's just shooting with animals is such a nightmare.

1723
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 6: They had to build all the sets on a slight

1724
01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:34,680
Speaker 6: slant so that the pee and the Pooh would just

1725
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:36,960
Speaker 6: run off the set. By the end of the day,

1726
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:41,960
Speaker 6: like the trainers were getting hepatitis. All the goats were

1727
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:43,360
Speaker 6: kicking holes in the walls.

1728
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:44,280
Speaker 2: Just don't shoot with.

1729
01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:46,519
Speaker 6: Animals if you can avoid it, you know, or CGI

1730
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 6: them if possible. Yeah, but Lizzy, Lizzie, please.

1731
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:52,599
Speaker 5: This is a good one. So never try to change

1732
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:54,320
Speaker 5: your whole movie in the edit.

1733
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:54,680
Speaker 2: You know.

1734
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:57,360
Speaker 5: There's always the common adage of we'll fix it in post,

1735
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:00,760
Speaker 5: but there are some things you cannot fix simpost. And

1736
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:02,639
Speaker 5: the example I would like to bring to you today

1737
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:07,560
Speaker 5: is Jeelie, which is widely regarded, as you know, allegedly

1738
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:10,479
Speaker 5: one of the worst movies ever made. I we don't agree.

1739
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 5: It's not good. It's certainly not the worst movie I've

1740
01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:16,639
Speaker 5: we've ever seen for the podcast, As we just mentioned,

1741
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:19,479
Speaker 5: Doctor Doolittle with Rex Harrison is way worse than Sheilie.

1742
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:25,640
Speaker 5: There's many more, but for anybody who doesn't know, this

1743
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:29,080
Speaker 5: came out in two thousand and three. It starred famously

1744
01:38:29,200 --> 01:38:32,839
Speaker 5: Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck. This was the inception of Benefer,

1745
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 5: which we'll see was actually the demise of Jeelie. It

1746
01:38:36,439 --> 01:38:39,599
Speaker 5: also has Justin Bartha, Christopher walk In, and al Pacino.

1747
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:40,760
Speaker 5: Have you guys ever seen this?

1748
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:42,320
Speaker 2: I have not.

1749
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 1: Neither have I.

1750
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:48,719
Speaker 2: Oh, I sh shit. I feel like we're still feeling

1751
01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:51,679
Speaker 2: the reverberations of Benefer to this day.

1752
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:54,479
Speaker 1: You are, yeah, And I the only reason why I

1753
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:57,800
Speaker 1: actually want to see it, well, I mean just because

1754
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:00,200
Speaker 1: it's a I always want to watch anything that is

1755
01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:02,880
Speaker 1: going to like is a topic of conversation amongst like

1756
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:05,519
Speaker 1: film people. But you know, I kept. I we did

1757
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:09,439
Speaker 1: an episode of my last podcast about Midnight Run, and

1758
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:11,960
Speaker 1: I did a lot of research on Martin Brust, who

1759
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:15,559
Speaker 1: directed Jilie, and basically like he had had this amazing career.

1760
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 1: I mean he did like Beverly Hills cop and Midnight Run,

1761
01:39:18,280 --> 01:39:20,040
Speaker 1: which is a masterpiece, and then he did Gelie and

1762
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:22,360
Speaker 1: then basically it was like, oh, I guess I'm gonna

1763
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 1: have to leave Hollywood and be a hermit, Like it

1764
01:39:26,160 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 1: drove him away from movies, and I was like, really,

1765
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:32,439
Speaker 1: is it that bad? Like do we overblow this thing.

1766
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 1: It's like, this guy's like JD. Souinger now because of

1767
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 1: this thing. So I don't know. I want to see

1768
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:41,160
Speaker 1: it because I want to be like, was it enough

1769
01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:44,920
Speaker 1: to make a man like disappear? Or or could we

1770
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:45,439
Speaker 1: have les?

1771
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:50,080
Speaker 2: Did somebody need to cease to exist because of this movie?

1772
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:54,599
Speaker 5: He's an amazing writer and director to Midnight Run is wonderful. Also,

1773
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:57,880
Speaker 5: you messed a woman, of course, and.

1774
01:39:58,120 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 6: As Lizzie knows, my secret favorite movie You Meet Joe Black,

1775
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:03,479
Speaker 6: which nobody agrees with me.

1776
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:04,519
Speaker 2: I'm the only one.

1777
01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:06,679
Speaker 6: And I can watch Brett Pitt do a bad pets

1778
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:10,240
Speaker 6: wax and all day long. I love that movie. But

1779
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:11,519
Speaker 6: he's a wonderful director.

1780
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:14,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, I really wish he would come back.

1781
01:40:14,439 --> 01:40:18,120
Speaker 5: But so to your point, like, does this movie deserve

1782
01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:21,800
Speaker 5: the derision that it has gotten? Maybe not, but it's not.

1783
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 5: It is a mess. It's not good. And so what

1784
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:28,400
Speaker 5: happened was you may remember the trailers for this movie

1785
01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:31,559
Speaker 5: they were pitching it. Well, what do you remember about

1786
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:33,800
Speaker 5: seeing any trailers for this movie? What did it look

1787
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:34,880
Speaker 5: like to you?

1788
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:35,160
Speaker 1: See?

1789
01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:39,479
Speaker 2: I kind of get this one intertwined with like Jersey Girl. Yeah, okay,

1790
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:41,320
Speaker 2: but that's a good point. That's a good point. So

1791
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:44,360
Speaker 2: what genre would you qualify those as? I thought they

1792
01:40:44,360 --> 01:40:46,000
Speaker 2: were both sort of romantic comedy.

1793
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:51,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, bingo, bingo. Okay, there you go. So absolutely it

1794
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:54,799
Speaker 5: was marketed as a rom com. However, it was written, shot,

1795
01:40:55,080 --> 01:41:00,360
Speaker 5: and originally edited as a gritty mob drama. Adam Brody

1796
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 5: actually auditioned for the part that Justin Bartha eventually got,

1797
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:05,800
Speaker 5: and he said he remembered really liking the script. He

1798
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 5: didn't understand when the movie came out and it had

1799
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:11,000
Speaker 5: done so badly, and he really liked the ending where

1800
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:14,559
Speaker 5: the main character dies. That does not happen in the

1801
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:19,759
Speaker 5: movie that was released. So what happened was as soon

1802
01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:23,280
Speaker 5: as Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez met each other on set,

1803
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:26,599
Speaker 5: they fell in love. Sparks were a fly in, can't

1804
01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:29,200
Speaker 5: keep their hands off of each other. She just married

1805
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:31,479
Speaker 5: her second husband. Don't worry about that. They're going to

1806
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:35,479
Speaker 5: get divorced, not a big deal. But they get together

1807
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:37,960
Speaker 5: essentially right away, And to be fair to her, I

1808
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,960
Speaker 5: think she did separate from her husband it basically immediately.

1809
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 5: But so principal photography on the film as shot, remember

1810
01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:48,920
Speaker 5: not a rom com, wrapped in March of two thousand

1811
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:50,840
Speaker 5: and two, and by June of two thousand and two,

1812
01:41:51,320 --> 01:41:53,640
Speaker 5: she has officially filed for divorce from her husband and

1813
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:56,760
Speaker 5: she has gone public with Ben Affleck. And what do

1814
01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:59,799
Speaker 5: you remember about them getting together?

1815
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:03,960
Speaker 2: I remember the uh, Don't be Fools by the Rock

1816
01:42:04,280 --> 01:42:08,160
Speaker 2: Jenny from the Block video. Yes do you remember that? MILLI?

1817
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:12,599
Speaker 1: Yes, I did. Hazy damn. You got a razor sharp

1818
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 1: memory for Jennifer.

1819
01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:16,639
Speaker 2: I was very locked into pop culture at the time.

1820
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:20,080
Speaker 2: I mean, this was my peak MTV and VH one consumption.

1821
01:42:20,439 --> 01:42:24,800
Speaker 5: True, anybody that doesn't remember this video. After they come

1822
01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:27,040
Speaker 5: out together, it's like a huge deal. Everybody's like, oh

1823
01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:29,040
Speaker 5: my god, this is Hollywood's biggest power couple. And then

1824
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:32,599
Speaker 5: they appear together in the video for Jenny from the Block,

1825
01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:34,880
Speaker 5: and I don't know if you watched this in years,

1826
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:38,200
Speaker 5: it is wild. It is like it's it's cringe city,

1827
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:40,320
Speaker 5: and you know, God bless them to do whatever you

1828
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 5: want to do. But it's sort of too much. And

1829
01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:46,720
Speaker 5: I think that's kind of what starts to happen is

1830
01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:50,600
Speaker 5: they're way over exposed. So the budget for Julie was

1831
01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:52,880
Speaker 5: massive to begin with because of the cost of Jennifer

1832
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:56,040
Speaker 5: Lopez and Ben Affleck. It was over fifty million dollars

1833
01:42:56,920 --> 01:43:00,680
Speaker 5: and early test screenings they're not great, they're not horrible,

1834
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:05,639
Speaker 5: but people didn't really get it. So the producer gets

1835
01:43:05,680 --> 01:43:08,479
Speaker 5: really nervous. There is a guy named Joe Roth, and

1836
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:11,040
Speaker 5: he's like, I know what I'm gonna do to make

1837
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:13,479
Speaker 5: this money, make this movie, make all the money in

1838
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:16,360
Speaker 5: the world. I'm going to make it a rom com

1839
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:19,519
Speaker 5: about Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez. And of course the

1840
01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:22,599
Speaker 5: problem was that it was not written or shot as

1841
01:43:22,600 --> 01:43:27,600
Speaker 5: a rom com. Also, her character is a lesbian. I

1842
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:32,840
Speaker 5: didn't know that she's gay. She's gay, so they had

1843
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:36,599
Speaker 5: to like retcon the whole movie around the fact that

1844
01:43:36,680 --> 01:43:39,680
Speaker 5: she's still a lesbian in the movie. But somehow she

1845
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:42,280
Speaker 5: falls in love with and literally drives off into the

1846
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:46,280
Speaker 5: sunset with Ben Affleck by the end of She and there's.

1847
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:49,840
Speaker 6: Like sex scenes written as like a joke on the

1848
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:52,759
Speaker 6: fact that, like in the original movie, she she sleeps

1849
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:55,920
Speaker 6: with Ben Affleck not because she's attracted to him, but

1850
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:59,160
Speaker 6: because she's performing a role. Right, she's effectively taken on

1851
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 6: a different identity, and so she does it to stay

1852
01:44:01,960 --> 01:44:04,479
Speaker 6: in this identity and it's like, so the way she

1853
01:44:04,640 --> 01:44:08,800
Speaker 6: just seduces him is written comedically like he's really into her,

1854
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:12,439
Speaker 6: and she says gobble gobble as like a way to

1855
01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:15,719
Speaker 6: get him to come and perform, uh kind of lingus

1856
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:19,840
Speaker 6: sorry for any younger listeners on her, and it's hilarious.

1857
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:22,879
Speaker 6: But then it's supposed to be like this transformative experience

1858
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:25,680
Speaker 6: and they actually fall in love, which makes no sense

1859
01:44:26,160 --> 01:44:30,600
Speaker 6: at all, Like because she che what you're saying exactly,

1860
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:33,960
Speaker 6: that's what they're trying to suggest, so they like kind

1861
01:44:33,960 --> 01:44:36,559
Speaker 6: of maybe suggests that she's I feel like they tried

1862
01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:39,600
Speaker 6: to retcon she's bisexual Lizzy, if I'm remembering correctly.

1863
01:44:39,479 --> 01:44:41,479
Speaker 5: A little bit in there, and she horned that in there,

1864
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:44,080
Speaker 5: but very much this is like this is a and

1865
01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:47,479
Speaker 5: I turned her situation, which is like.

1866
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:50,280
Speaker 2: Which afflic is now two for two after what chasing Amy?

1867
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:53,200
Speaker 2: Like you're just gonna just say that. There's another film

1868
01:44:53,240 --> 01:44:54,240
Speaker 2: that comes to mind.

1869
01:44:54,439 --> 01:44:57,400
Speaker 6: This one was not his fault. No, it's totally not

1870
01:44:57,439 --> 01:44:59,439
Speaker 6: Afflex's fault. I don't think he wanted to do any

1871
01:44:59,479 --> 01:44:59,720
Speaker 6: of this.

1872
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:01,920
Speaker 5: No, I don't think either of them did. And so

1873
01:45:02,160 --> 01:45:05,040
Speaker 5: the producer basically, even though Martin Brest had final cut.

1874
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:08,360
Speaker 5: He forced them to do like weeks of reshoots that

1875
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:12,160
Speaker 5: ballooned the budget up to seventy five million dollars because

1876
01:45:12,160 --> 01:45:13,840
Speaker 5: he's like, it's fine, I'm going to get my return

1877
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:16,960
Speaker 5: on investment. They're the hottest thing ever. But then by

1878
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:20,400
Speaker 5: the time Jelie came out, the worm had really turned

1879
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:24,400
Speaker 5: on Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez. They were so overexposed.

1880
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:28,280
Speaker 5: So when this comes out, it was a certified stinker.

1881
01:45:28,360 --> 01:45:32,600
Speaker 5: It made seven million dollars worldwide. It's one of the

1882
01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:37,840
Speaker 5: lellion seven million, yeah against seventy against seventy with two

1883
01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:40,360
Speaker 5: of the biggest young stars, and Pacino has the cameo.

1884
01:45:40,439 --> 01:45:42,080
Speaker 5: As you mentioned, Lizzie, yes for Walkin.

1885
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:45,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, and Walkin's role got cut really short because of

1886
01:45:45,240 --> 01:45:47,320
Speaker 6: the rework just to die I think, yeah, and he's

1887
01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:48,960
Speaker 6: like a buch bigger part and they just kind of

1888
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:52,320
Speaker 6: trimmed him out entirely. And of course what we learned recently, Lizzie,

1889
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:55,720
Speaker 6: did you see this seth Rogan also auditioned for the

1890
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:58,160
Speaker 6: role that went to Justin Bartha and he basically said,

1891
01:45:58,160 --> 01:46:00,720
Speaker 6: if anybody has that videotape, pleased, you know, burn it

1892
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:03,800
Speaker 6: because he's doing it. He's doing a disabled person like

1893
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:07,920
Speaker 6: he's doing a mentally handicapped person impression as the role.

1894
01:46:08,040 --> 01:46:09,920
Speaker 2: And he really was great in the movie either.

1895
01:46:10,240 --> 01:46:11,880
Speaker 6: No, and he said like at the time, it was

1896
01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:13,320
Speaker 6: like this is Oscar bait, Like I'm going to win

1897
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:15,439
Speaker 6: an Oscar for this, this is my rain Man, Like

1898
01:46:15,479 --> 01:46:18,599
Speaker 6: that's really what everybody thought auditioning for this movie. Sure,

1899
01:46:18,760 --> 01:46:20,800
Speaker 6: and I think this is around the time of I

1900
01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:23,760
Speaker 6: Am Sam. Also, I think we'd finally started to see like, hey,

1901
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:27,760
Speaker 6: maybe we shouldn't have like actors Chase Glory and then

1902
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:31,840
Speaker 6: we get the simple Jack in Trauma Thunder a few

1903
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:32,439
Speaker 6: years later.

1904
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:35,479
Speaker 5: Yes, what's really crazy timing wise is that one month

1905
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:38,000
Speaker 5: after this movie came out, and I believe three days

1906
01:46:38,040 --> 01:46:41,479
Speaker 5: before their wedding, Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez broke up

1907
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:45,759
Speaker 5: citing excessive media attention. And obviously, of course that happens

1908
01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:46,840
Speaker 5: again history.

1909
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:48,519
Speaker 2: I didn't know that was a box you could check

1910
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:49,679
Speaker 2: on a divorce form.

1911
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:51,200
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, that's that's the reason why I

1912
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:55,920
Speaker 1: left my last husband is ox sensive media attention.

1913
01:46:56,520 --> 01:46:58,640
Speaker 5: I will say, when I was researching this, when we

1914
01:46:58,680 --> 01:47:00,160
Speaker 5: did the episode on it, when I went back and

1915
01:47:00,240 --> 01:47:02,320
Speaker 5: actually looked at, like the headlines and the way that

1916
01:47:02,360 --> 01:47:05,879
Speaker 5: they were being treated. It was bad, Like in particular Jennifer.

1917
01:47:06,040 --> 01:47:09,120
Speaker 5: The jokes at Jennifer Lopez's expense about like her ethnicity,

1918
01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:12,960
Speaker 5: among other things, were terrible at that time.

1919
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:15,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is it two thousand and three? Is that

1920
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:17,400
Speaker 1: in the two thousand and three I always say the

1921
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:22,040
Speaker 1: early two thousands was a low point for feminism and

1922
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Speaker 1: for a lot of things, but especially if you were

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Speaker 1: a woman in media, it was terrible for you.

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Speaker 2: So makes well, that's that's Jilie for you. Amazing.

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Speaker 1: I'm watching it. Fuck you should we should do an

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Speaker 1: episode about it, case.

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Speaker 2: About it, and I think you should.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there are some other ones we haven't gotten to.

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Speaker 6: Like World War Z has like a famous reshoot, very

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Speaker 6: drastic reshoot. The entire third act is completely replaced, and

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Speaker 6: the director and and Brad Pitt and the you know

1932
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Speaker 6: studio were kind of all at odds. And Jade excuse me, uh,

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Speaker 6: one of the creator of Loss not Abrams, the right,

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01:48:00,360 --> 01:48:02,439
Speaker 6: Damon Lindeloff was brought in, Thank you, Lizzy to do

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Speaker 6: like the big third actory. Right, So that's another one.

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Speaker 6: And there are all these examples of like you kind

1937
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Speaker 6: of end the day with the movie that you have,

1938
01:48:09,320 --> 01:48:11,639
Speaker 6: and it can be tempting to think, oh, but there's

1939
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Speaker 6: this other version that's right there. It's a lot further

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Speaker 6: than it looks. I think is the thing that we've learned,

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Speaker 6: and it's it's really hard to uh, you know, it's

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01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:25,519
Speaker 6: that Jack Donnegie thirty thirty Rock, he's trying to create

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Speaker 6: a new microwave oven technology and then he's reinvented the

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Speaker 6: Ford Pinto by the end of the night, like you

1945
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Speaker 6: kind of end with the Frankenstein no matter what.

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Speaker 2: So that I think it's really hard to church to

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Speaker 2: like a just tone too. Like you might be able

1948
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Speaker 2: to like cut things out or like streamline things, but

1949
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:46,600
Speaker 2: it still needs to stay in the same genre. It

1950
01:48:46,600 --> 01:48:50,760
Speaker 2: seems like Jeee was trying to like genre jump, which

1951
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:53,040
Speaker 2: feels like that feels impossible.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's no way it was gonna work. It didn't

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01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:57,160
Speaker 5: make any sense. And you know, I feel horrible from

1954
01:48:57,200 --> 01:48:59,760
Speaker 5: Martin Brest to your point, Millie, like he this was

1955
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Speaker 5: his nightmare and it literally made him stop making movies.

1956
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Speaker 5: And that's an incredibly talented person who did not deserve

1957
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Speaker 5: the title of director of the worst movie ever made.

1958
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Speaker 2: It's not, but Lizzie, you made this point in the episode.

1959
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Speaker 2: It made Ben Affleck make movies.

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Speaker 5: That's true. It made him become a director, and I

1961
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:20,040
Speaker 5: think he's a really good director.

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Speaker 6: He decided to become a director, or he decided to

1963
01:49:22,479 --> 01:49:25,160
Speaker 6: start directing because he realized, the only way I'm going

1964
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Speaker 6: to be able to have any control in this business

1965
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Speaker 6: is if I direct and I control the material that

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Speaker 6: I direct. And part of that was he really admired

1967
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Speaker 6: Martin Brest. He's talked about it a lot, and he

1968
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:37,880
Speaker 6: saw what he was what was done to him, and

1969
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:39,760
Speaker 6: he said, you know, as an actor, I couldn't do

1970
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Speaker 6: anything and I can't do anything with how my performance

1971
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Speaker 6: has changed or how the movie around me has changed.

1972
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Speaker 6: And I think that's something that people should always remember

1973
01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:50,320
Speaker 6: too when thinking about somebody's performance, is at the end

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Speaker 6: of the day, the takes that are selected and the

1975
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:55,720
Speaker 6: direction that was given on the day, those were not

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01:49:55,880 --> 01:49:58,240
Speaker 6: up to that actor. You know, so much is out,

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01:49:58,360 --> 01:50:01,240
Speaker 6: you know, beyond the actor's control. And like I've had,

1978
01:50:01,280 --> 01:50:03,559
Speaker 6: you know, on set, hat actors question, you know, hey,

1979
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Speaker 6: what do you you know? Are you sure about this?

1980
01:50:06,320 --> 01:50:08,360
Speaker 6: And is this going to fit in with the broader story?

1981
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Speaker 6: And I said, shut up, shut up to reference to

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Speaker 6: Michael Baylay video. But no, it's it's a leap of

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Speaker 6: faith that actors have to do interesting that the people

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Speaker 6: around them.

1985
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Speaker 2: We just talked about show Girls. Elizabeth Berkeley's performance is

1986
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:30,240
Speaker 2: so wild, but you know, for Hoven wanted and Paul

1987
01:50:30,280 --> 01:50:33,160
Speaker 2: for Hooven said, like I asked for that, it's my fault. Like,

1988
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:37,840
Speaker 2: if you're gonna blame somebody, blame me, you know nobody does.

1989
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Speaker 2: This is sweet.

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Speaker 5: I guess we can then Julie on this. I'm I'm

1991
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:44,559
Speaker 5: pretty sure Ben Affleck thanked Martin Brest in the when

1992
01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:46,200
Speaker 5: Argo won the Academy Award.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's all really, Oh that is nice, I think

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Speaker 2: so yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure you played that clip when

1996
01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:52,040
Speaker 6: we were doing very Sweet.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you guys so much for coming on our

1998
01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:58,479
Speaker 2: show and talking about what went wrong on all these

1999
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:04,519
Speaker 2: movies those fabulous wrong that's the real lesson, everything goes wrong. Well,

2000
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:06,840
Speaker 2: where can they find your podcast? Where can they find

2001
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:08,759
Speaker 2: you guys? Anything else you want to plug?

2002
01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:13,280
Speaker 5: Lidy, No, you can find our podcast really anywhere you

2003
01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:16,519
Speaker 5: listen to podcasts. Give us a follow. You can find

2004
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:20,400
Speaker 5: us on Instagram at What Went Wrong Pod? Chris What

2005
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:23,599
Speaker 5: One Wrong Podcast Wrong Pod? Ye at What Went Wrong Pod?

2006
01:51:24,040 --> 01:51:26,320
Speaker 5: You can follow us there. We post, we post little

2007
01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:28,280
Speaker 5: reels so you can see snippets of these, and we

2008
01:51:28,360 --> 01:51:32,719
Speaker 5: also have our first live show coming up on October eighth,

2009
01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:36,240
Speaker 5: so you can also buy a ticket to that. We

2010
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:37,759
Speaker 5: have no idea what we're doing.

2011
01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:39,360
Speaker 2: In New York, to be clear. In New York.

2012
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, cool, it'll be Who's what's the venue? The

2013
01:51:43,120 --> 01:51:48,560
Speaker 6: caveat Manhattan. It is a small theater just inside Manhattan

2014
01:51:48,760 --> 01:51:49,839
Speaker 6: by the Brooklyn Bridge.

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Speaker 2: So cool. Come check us out us amazing, Well, thank

2016
01:51:54,280 --> 01:51:56,639
Speaker 2: you guys so much. This is great, Thank you all

2017
01:51:56,680 --> 01:52:09,519
Speaker 2: for having us. Oh my gosh, it was great talking

2018
01:52:09,560 --> 01:52:14,240
Speaker 2: to our new friends Chris and Lidsey the things that

2019
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:19,760
Speaker 2: went wrong in the movies. Check out What Went Wrong Podcast.

2020
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:25,599
Speaker 2: We'll be on there talking about fitzgeraldo Ah, it was fun.

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01:52:25,720 --> 01:52:28,599
Speaker 1: It was fun. It's fun to think about these types

2022
01:52:28,600 --> 01:52:31,639
Speaker 1: of movies and the way that they think about them.

2023
01:52:31,479 --> 01:52:35,080
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I find it inspiring to as a filmmaker. Yes,

2024
01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:39,800
Speaker 2: two just think how things really do go wrong on

2025
01:52:39,880 --> 01:52:43,639
Speaker 2: every movie, and so I don't feel as bad when

2026
01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:46,559
Speaker 2: things went wrong on my movies. Yeah, and of course

2027
01:52:47,200 --> 01:52:52,080
Speaker 2: or any creative pursuit. Really like this podcast, things have

2028
01:52:52,160 --> 01:52:52,679
Speaker 2: gone wrong.

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01:52:53,160 --> 01:52:55,360
Speaker 1: I would say every episode, and I would say, it's

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01:52:55,360 --> 01:52:55,759
Speaker 1: my fun.

2031
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:01,839
Speaker 2: Things have gone really wrong every It's been a disaster

2032
01:53:02,040 --> 01:53:09,519
Speaker 2: every episode, and yet one gets published every week. So uh, really,

2033
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:15,160
Speaker 2: it's time for employees Picks, where we recommend a movie

2034
01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:17,040
Speaker 2: kind of based on the theme of what we talked

2035
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:20,320
Speaker 2: about us this episode. And there's a lot of different directions.

2036
01:53:20,600 --> 01:53:25,000
Speaker 2: Let a demon stuff, you know, we could cover uh

2037
01:53:25,200 --> 01:53:28,320
Speaker 2: K pop pop artists, you know. Uh, but do you

2038
01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:31,200
Speaker 2: have a do you have a staff wreck employees Picks?

2039
01:53:31,479 --> 01:53:33,960
Speaker 1: I do, in fact, and I'm and I have to

2040
01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:37,800
Speaker 1: I have to put this out there. I have not

2041
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:41,000
Speaker 1: actually seen it, so I would recommend it for both

2042
01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:46,559
Speaker 1: myself and everybody else to watch together. Perhaps, So I

2043
01:53:46,640 --> 01:53:50,040
Speaker 1: was thinking about, you know, what branch off this tree

2044
01:53:50,120 --> 01:53:54,559
Speaker 1: we could climb onto, you know, and what I saw

2045
01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:57,760
Speaker 1: K Pop Demon Hunters like For the first like five

2046
01:53:57,920 --> 01:54:00,400
Speaker 1: ten minutes, I was making all these like actions in

2047
01:54:00,439 --> 01:54:02,360
Speaker 1: my head. I was like, Oh, this feels very Powerpuff Girls.

2048
01:54:02,920 --> 01:54:06,880
Speaker 1: It also feels very much like an animated series that

2049
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:11,280
Speaker 1: I enjoyed so much when I was a child that

2050
01:54:11,439 --> 01:54:15,439
Speaker 1: was called Gem it was made in like nineteen eighty five.

2051
01:54:17,160 --> 01:54:20,160
Speaker 2: This was And the Holograms.

2052
01:54:20,200 --> 01:54:25,120
Speaker 1: You're talking about, Oh and the Holograms. Yeah, this show

2053
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:30,920
Speaker 1: was formative for me. I was obsessed with it. I

2054
01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:34,000
Speaker 1: used to get into fights about it in my elementary school.

2055
01:54:35,840 --> 01:54:37,960
Speaker 1: I made a girl miss the bus because she was

2056
01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:41,000
Speaker 1: crying so hard that because I was like, we had

2057
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:44,360
Speaker 1: to like say, hey, what Gem in the Holograms character

2058
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:46,560
Speaker 1: are you going to be today? And I insisted that

2059
01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:48,720
Speaker 1: I was Kimber that day, and she wanted to be

2060
01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:51,120
Speaker 1: Kimber and I told her. I told her no, I said, no,

2061
01:54:51,240 --> 01:54:54,640
Speaker 1: you can't be Kimber because I'm Kimber today. And she

2062
01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:58,160
Speaker 1: cried so hard that she missed the bus and my

2063
01:54:58,280 --> 01:55:00,680
Speaker 1: mom had a driver to school and yelled at me

2064
01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:03,800
Speaker 1: when I got home. So this is the reason why

2065
01:55:03,920 --> 01:55:05,800
Speaker 1: it reminds me of Jem a little bit, is because,

2066
01:55:06,160 --> 01:55:10,840
Speaker 1: like K pop Demon Hunters, the lead singer of Gem

2067
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:15,120
Speaker 1: and the Holograms, Gem has this double identity. She's Jerika Benton,

2068
01:55:15,160 --> 01:55:19,120
Speaker 1: who is like, you know, a rich, a rich lady

2069
01:55:19,120 --> 01:55:23,480
Speaker 1: that owns an orphanage at a record label. But it's

2070
01:55:23,560 --> 01:55:26,080
Speaker 1: kind of that whole like she has a secret and

2071
01:55:26,120 --> 01:55:28,720
Speaker 1: she's kind of going back and forth between her two identities,

2072
01:55:28,720 --> 01:55:33,040
Speaker 1: which feels very much like K pop Demon Hunters. Right,

2073
01:55:33,560 --> 01:55:37,080
Speaker 1: So I won't suggest the show because it's a cartoon

2074
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:41,200
Speaker 1: from the eighties. I will suggest that we all watch

2075
01:55:41,360 --> 01:55:44,760
Speaker 1: the twenty fifteen film, which I believe is live action,

2076
01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:49,360
Speaker 1: called Gem and the Holograms, and it was directed by

2077
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:52,680
Speaker 1: John m Chu who, by the way, has made some

2078
01:55:52,720 --> 01:55:54,600
Speaker 1: of the most famous movies of all time. At this point,

2079
01:55:54,920 --> 01:55:57,920
Speaker 1: I knew John m Cho because he made the Step

2080
01:55:58,000 --> 01:55:59,880
Speaker 1: Up movies, made a couple of step Up, Step Up

2081
01:55:59,880 --> 01:56:03,840
Speaker 1: Move but he directed wicked, crazy Rich Asians. I mean,

2082
01:56:03,880 --> 01:56:09,360
Speaker 1: he is poppin' at this point. Yeah, but yeah, So

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01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:12,920
Speaker 1: I don't think Gem in the Holograms from twenty fifteen

2084
01:56:13,120 --> 01:56:18,560
Speaker 1: was warmly received by audiences or critics, but hey, who knows,

2085
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:22,240
Speaker 1: who knows? Maybe we should watch it together. It's fun

2086
01:56:22,280 --> 01:56:25,400
Speaker 1: see and see what's up. So sure, that's my wreck.

2087
01:56:25,560 --> 01:56:31,640
Speaker 2: Cool. So my mom was on this episode if you remember,

2088
01:56:31,680 --> 01:56:35,360
Speaker 2: at the top of the show. And also it was

2089
01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:40,240
Speaker 2: just Labor Day, and so I'm recommending my mom's favorite movie.

2090
01:56:40,680 --> 01:56:44,880
Speaker 2: She takes place Labor Day weekend. It's called Picnic from

2091
01:56:44,960 --> 01:56:49,760
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty five. That's your mom's favorite. That's my mom's

2092
01:56:49,800 --> 01:56:51,640
Speaker 2: favorite movie of all time?

2093
01:56:52,040 --> 01:56:52,080
Speaker 3: Is?

2094
01:56:52,760 --> 01:56:56,840
Speaker 1: Is that why she Her area of expertise is older

2095
01:56:56,880 --> 01:56:58,800
Speaker 1: actors that should not have their shirts off? Because I

2096
01:56:58,800 --> 01:57:00,800
Speaker 1: feel like William Holden has a shirt off in that

2097
01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:01,560
Speaker 1: entire movie.

2098
01:57:02,160 --> 01:57:04,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and William Holden is supposed to play like a

2099
01:57:04,480 --> 01:57:10,040
Speaker 2: twenty five year old and he looks conservatively fifty two

2100
01:57:10,160 --> 01:57:12,520
Speaker 2: years old in that movie. And I believe Kim Novak

2101
01:57:12,680 --> 01:57:16,680
Speaker 2: is actually like a teenager while making it, so I

2102
01:57:16,760 --> 01:57:22,840
Speaker 2: will say that the you know, the age differences is noticeable. Yes,

2103
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:27,760
Speaker 2: But it's a steamy, sexy movie and it takes place

2104
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:31,640
Speaker 2: at a labor day carnival in a small town in Kansas,

2105
01:57:31,720 --> 01:57:36,440
Speaker 2: I believe. And it's just a really good melodrama and

2106
01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:41,560
Speaker 2: it looks great and uh yeah, that's a picnic.

2107
01:57:41,680 --> 01:57:47,240
Speaker 1: Oh wow, your mom is awesome, dude, your mom is

2108
01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:47,760
Speaker 1: so awesome.

2109
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:48,040
Speaker 2: Thank you.

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01:57:48,080 --> 01:57:50,000
Speaker 1: I feel like she should host this podcast with you

2111
01:57:50,680 --> 01:57:51,280
Speaker 1: instead of me.

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Speaker 2: Kick you out right.

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Speaker 1: Is there a mother and son podcast out there that

2114
01:57:58,240 --> 01:58:01,760
Speaker 1: would be okay, a mother and son phil podcast.

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01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:03,080
Speaker 2: That would be cute?

2116
01:58:03,160 --> 01:58:04,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, so cute?

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01:58:04,920 --> 01:58:09,240
Speaker 2: I don't. Yeah. Well, let's let's offline. I we'll discuss more.

2118
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Speaker 2: Thank you to my mom for coming on the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to Chris and Lizzy for coming on the show.

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01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:21,720
Speaker 2: Thank you to Millie for guiding us through the K

2121
01:58:21,800 --> 01:58:24,560
Speaker 2: pop jungle, and and thank.

2122
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Speaker 1: You to Casey for not stopping midway and being like

2123
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:29,080
Speaker 1: this sucks.

2124
01:58:30,600 --> 01:58:33,360
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, this sucks. No, I thought it was great.

2125
01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:39,440
Speaker 1: Well, on that note, if you and I only mean,

2126
01:58:39,600 --> 01:58:45,400
Speaker 1: if you want to email us for pretty much any

2127
01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:48,880
Speaker 1: reason at all, you can email us at Deer Rubies

2128
01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:55,360
Speaker 1: at exactlyrightmedia dot com. Usually we do stuff like film advice,

2129
01:58:55,800 --> 01:59:02,680
Speaker 1: We do film gripes, consensual film gropes, film regrets. If

2130
01:59:02,680 --> 01:59:04,760
Speaker 1: you have any of those things, or if you want

2131
01:59:04,760 --> 01:59:07,400
Speaker 1: to talk about anything that we talked about today on

2132
01:59:07,400 --> 01:59:10,160
Speaker 1: our episode, you can email us and here's the t

2133
01:59:10,720 --> 01:59:13,320
Speaker 1: If you want to, you could leave us a voicemail too.

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Speaker 1: All you have to do is record it on your phone,

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Speaker 1: make sure it's under a minute, and email it too

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Speaker 1: to your movies at exactly rightmedia dot come.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Recently Million and I were complaining about how much

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Speaker 2: we hate ourselves and how much we suck and wish

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Speaker 2: we had different voices, personalities, hair, you know, all sorts

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Speaker 2: of things, and we got a lot of nice compliments

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Speaker 2: from people that really guessed us up, and it felt great.

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Speaker 2: So if you want to send any more of those

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Speaker 2: to the email Phil, we.

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Speaker 1: Are asking you for compliments. We were asking for you

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Speaker 1: to call us hot and attractive.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't it nice? Though? Million It made me feel really good.

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Speaker 1: I was like, cool, maybe I won't be alone forever.

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Speaker 1: I'll just sure make our fans date us and follow

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Speaker 1: in love with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, the pop artists do have maybe

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Speaker 2: the right idea. We need to change our relationship with

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Speaker 2: our listeners. We need to like have fans.

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Speaker 1: So, my god, Casey, you would be so good at

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Speaker 1: fans service. You'd be like, hi, baby, I love you, fingerheart. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you're my wife, You're my darling. Oh my god, you'd

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Speaker 1: be so good.

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Speaker 2: It's sickening. It's sickening Jesus. So if you are, like

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Speaker 2: we said earlier, a shithead and fault when unlike our show,

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Speaker 2: follow us on our socials at Deer Movies, I Love you,

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Speaker 2: on Instagram and Facebook. Our letterbox handles are Casey le

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Speaker 2: O'Brien and at M de Jericho. I've been getting a

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Speaker 2: lot of letterbox followers like, oh, I wonder if it's

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Speaker 2: because of the show. I like when people follow me.

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Speaker 2: I like when people leave little comments on my little

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Speaker 2: reviews on letterbox makes me happy. So listen to Deer Movies,

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Speaker 2: I Love You on the iHeartRadio app, app podcasts or

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Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts, and hey, rate and review

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Speaker 2: our show positively preferred. If you hear this or like

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Speaker 2: I should go rate and review the show and then

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Speaker 2: leave a negative review. I don't understand you as a person,

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Speaker 2: but you know.

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Speaker 1: I don't even want the word negative reviews in the

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Speaker 1: conversation whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't have even brought it into this spo. Don't

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Speaker 2: invoke it. Really, I shouldn't evoked. I should get my

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Speaker 2: mom to come back and to bless the podcast again.

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Speaker 2: Really huge episode. Our next episode is one I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: Oh me too. This is one of my favorite movies

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Speaker 1: and I'm glad that we're going to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about a movie that was directed

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Speaker 1: by a Filipino director named Aleno Broco, and it's a

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Speaker 1: movie from nineteen seventy five called Manila in the Clause

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Speaker 1: of Lights, and it's a little intense. It's on Criterion Channel.

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Speaker 1: If anybody wants to watch it, but it's uh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a really interesting movie. I like to

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Speaker 1: talk about Leno Brooke as a directory because we don't

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Speaker 1: really talk much about Filipino cinema really and no.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm really excited to talk about this movie. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I have a very deep connection to people who are Filipino.

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Speaker 2: You are Filipino. Yes, my wife is Filipino, that's right,

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Speaker 2: and my my daughter is Filipino.

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Speaker 1: That's so.

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Speaker 2: I'm really and I don't feel like Filipino cinema gets

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Speaker 2: there's not much conversation around that's right. And so I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm really excited to dive into this movie. I've

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Speaker 2: never seen this, I've never seen anything by him, so

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Speaker 2: I'm thrilled. I'm really I think this is great.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, well again, great week. Thanks to

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Speaker 1: everybody who's listened, who has been blessed by Casey's mom,

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Speaker 1: go forth for free, Yes, go forth in the world,

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Speaker 1: knowing that the animal doll will not haunt you in

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Speaker 1: any way, and we'll see you next week. Alrighty bye,

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Speaker 1: bye bye. This has been an exactly right production hosted

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Speaker 1: by me Milli to Cherico and produced by my co

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Speaker 1: host Casey O'Brien.

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Speaker 2: This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfocal. Our associate producer

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Speaker 2: is Christina Chamberlain, Our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and

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Speaker 2: our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

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Speaker 1: Our incredible theme music is by the best band in

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Speaker 1: the entire world, The Softies.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia hart Stark,

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Speaker 2: Daniel Kramer and Millie. To Jericho, we love you.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye, Beker