WEBVTT - Central Division Preview: Bulls and Cavaliers

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<v Speaker 1>On this episode of The Heat Check, we continue our

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<v Speaker 1>Eastern Conference preview and we are going to be looking

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<v Speaker 1>at the Central Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Indy and the Milwaukee Box.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh baby, is anybody excited about.

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<v Speaker 2>This fucking division?

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<v Speaker 3>Not me?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you could say the Milwaukee Bucks are bringing

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<v Speaker 1>everybody stop gum.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's get right into it.

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<v Speaker 1>William drop that generic ass beat that should be Rihanna.

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<v Speaker 3>Breaks breaking down all the biggest NBA storylines, Lord Children,

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<v Speaker 3>The heat Check, The heat Check, It's just Crak's the

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's start with the Chicago Bulls. Chicago Bulls

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<v Speaker 1>just living on their past success.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't care, folks, how many games they win. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't care about a goddamn thing except for money. Key editions,

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<v Speaker 1>Javon Carter, Tory Craig Key, Subtractions, Patrick Beverly, Derek Jones Junior.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think either any of.

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<v Speaker 1>Those four players are meaningful to any roster, and I

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<v Speaker 1>like Javon Carter.

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<v Speaker 2>What could you say about the Bulls? Really? What can

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<v Speaker 2>you say.

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<v Speaker 1>About them when they barely make a play in tournament

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<v Speaker 1>and Their biggest offseason move is Tory Craig. Tory Craig,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, gross, People forget about the Bulls and

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<v Speaker 1>that they had this commanding lead on the heat and

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<v Speaker 1>the play in tournament with six minutes left and the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth quarter. It was all very cute, and then nobody

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<v Speaker 1>could hit an open Look. You had zach Lavine missing shots,

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<v Speaker 1>holding onto the ball too long, and then the Miami

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<v Speaker 1>he'd end up going from almost getting bounced to making

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<v Speaker 1>it to the finals. This Chicago Bulls team, I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 1>to say, if you don't already know, you're probably not

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<v Speaker 1>a Chicago Bulls fan. They don't care about a goddamn

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<v Speaker 1>thing except for packing out the UC their arena. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't care about winning, they don't care about contending, not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna make moves. They fucking extended Nicola Vusovich, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the worst defenders in the league, paid him his dough.

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<v Speaker 1>You got demartirosan Old, I like Damar. You got zach Lavine,

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<v Speaker 1>one leg bucket getter, not playing defense. You got Lussovich.

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<v Speaker 1>He can get a double double for you on any

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<v Speaker 1>given night, but he's not a plus player in any regard.

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<v Speaker 1>I love Alice Cruzo, But goddamn, Chicago, do something, do something,

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<v Speaker 1>make a move, trade some guys, not just extend players

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<v Speaker 1>that don't help you win.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm annoyed at them.

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<v Speaker 1>They have been living off of the fumes of the

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan era for two generations now. Or like, oh yeah

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<v Speaker 1>bulls like very important logo, like very raucous crowd. They

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<v Speaker 1>sell games out. But like you want to know why,

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan is the goat. He took a forgettable franchise and

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<v Speaker 1>made them so great that they still.

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<v Speaker 2>Get a pass multiple decades later.

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<v Speaker 1>We think Bulls, We think Jordan, and that is they've

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<v Speaker 1>done one thing since, which is get Derrick Rose for

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<v Speaker 1>a quick little season where he had the MVP. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>where the Bulls are at in a nutshell. Patrick Williams,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Zach Lowe, is looking for a two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>million dollar extension.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you serious? No kidding, I'm not joking you.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a guy averaging nine point seven points per

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<v Speaker 1>game and four rebounds per game trying to get trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get two hundred million. This is a guy I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even like for twenty million a year, let alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever two hundred million over five year works out too.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what is that that's forty million? Oh my fucking god.

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<v Speaker 1>They have some nice pieces. They have some I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I like the Martin Rosen. He's a bucket. He is

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<v Speaker 1>getting kind of old. He is languishing in Chicago. Someone

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<v Speaker 1>save him, Someone go get him. Caruso still one of

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<v Speaker 1>the best defenders in the league. Lavine is still a

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<v Speaker 1>bucket ish twenty five, five and four and seventy seven games.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the bulls people will tell you, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people were ragging on Zach Lavin. He wasn't nearly as

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<v Speaker 1>bad as everybody says. He was pretty good. Actually, like

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<v Speaker 1>when you have to defend your superstar for not being

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<v Speaker 1>as bad as everybody's making him out to be.

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<v Speaker 2>He wasn't great. He wasn't great. Io Di soon moved.

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<v Speaker 1>They're hoping for major strides from him, and I like

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<v Speaker 1>ioe a lot Dale and Terry. They're hoping for major

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<v Speaker 1>strides from him. And my argument to those people who

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<v Speaker 1>are expecting that is okay, and then what like, let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's act like I owed desumuh. I like quote bit

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<v Speaker 1>and Dale and Terry, who I like Quarteba both exceed expectations.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you then?

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<v Speaker 1>What is this team, then are you a six seed?

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<v Speaker 1>Congratulations you did not have to go to play a tournament? Gross, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you what are you are?

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<v Speaker 3>You?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you a set?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even think you're that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're like an eight or a nine seed.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the issue.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a team that just is totally fine with

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<v Speaker 1>being mediocre. They are totally fine with being a five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred team if that means that they can compete on

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<v Speaker 1>a night to night basis and be anyone on a

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<v Speaker 1>given Tuesday in the regular season. But they are a

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<v Speaker 1>mile from winning anything of no, and if I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>fucking fan of that team, I am living.

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<v Speaker 2>We now turn two, the Cleveland Cavaliers.

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<v Speaker 1>They may moves actually key additions Max Strus in the trade.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was a sign in trade George Yang

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<v Speaker 2>bang bang Niang.

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<v Speaker 1>Free agent Amani Baits, who I absolutely am in love with.

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<v Speaker 2>Key subtractions. I actually think Chedty Osmond is on this team.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Cheddy Osman's still there either way. If he's there,

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<v Speaker 1>if he's not there, not relevant to my breakdown. I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of think the Calves are a forgotten team. They

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<v Speaker 1>were a wagon in the regular season. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people last year were like, Ooh, Calve's about to make noise.

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<v Speaker 1>Donovan Mitchell, Darius Garland, back court of the future, bucket getters,

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<v Speaker 1>guys that are able to protect the rim, Evan Mobley,

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<v Speaker 1>Cheered Allen, etcetera, etcetera. You had Donovan Mitchell as a

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<v Speaker 1>legit MVP candidate last year averaged Jashia thirty game. You

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<v Speaker 1>have a deep bench, ish, not a lot of wings,

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<v Speaker 1>decent coaching, They've got assets that they could move to

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<v Speaker 1>at another piece that they had to, and yet guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Bill Simmons are hammering they're under their wins.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Pierce is saying that Donald Mitchell can't wait to

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<v Speaker 1>get the fuck out of Cleveland, which I wouldn't blame

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<v Speaker 1>him if that was true.

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<v Speaker 2>So what gives? What gives? I think the hype surrounding.

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<v Speaker 1>The Calves has been about how Donald Mitchell doesn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be there. If Donovan Mitchell had signed an extension,

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<v Speaker 1>we'd be feeling a lot different about this CALVS team,

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<v Speaker 1>will we not. Bill Simmons says it's the worst kept

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<v Speaker 1>secret in the NBA. But remember Damian Lollard to Miami

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<v Speaker 1>was a done deal. So until it's done, it's not done,

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<v Speaker 1>and until Donovan Mitchell flees Cleveland, he is.

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<v Speaker 2>A Cavalier period period.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very skeptical, especially considering that Donovan Mitchell probably doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to turn down a massive contract that only Cleveland

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<v Speaker 1>can offer him. Donovan Mitchell is a superstar. Does he

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<v Speaker 1>fit with Darius Garland? I don't know. I mean, we've

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<v Speaker 1>done the CJ McCollum Damian Lodard thing before. Maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 1>Darius Garland gets traded at some point if Donovan Mitchell staves.

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<v Speaker 1>Darius Garland's an All Star though made his first All

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<v Speaker 1>Star last year. Evan Mobley hoping to bounce back.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously one of.

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<v Speaker 1>The most intriguing players in the NBA right now, and

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<v Speaker 1>the future of the Calves really hinges on him. Kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a sophomore year for him got cooked, absolutely barbecued

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<v Speaker 1>in the playoffs. He's gonna need to develop an outside shot,

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<v Speaker 1>even a mid range shot, to some sort of consistent

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<v Speaker 1>level in order to be a player that the Calves

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<v Speaker 1>can rely on. And also you add then Jared Allen,

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<v Speaker 1>who on one hand phenomenal player for this team. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of the issue, kind of feels like the

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<v Speaker 1>odd man out. I like him, do I like him

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<v Speaker 1>on the calves, I don't know. The roster feels a

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<v Speaker 1>little tricky to me. What he does well overlaps with

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<v Speaker 1>Evan Mobley a little too much actually. I mean there's

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<v Speaker 1>been rumors about them moving on from Jared Allen. If

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<v Speaker 1>you move him for like a guy maybe like Ojobi

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe Pascal Siakam, that actually maybe makes the team

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<v Speaker 1>a lot better. They add Max Strews, this team's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have shooting now. They didn't have a lot of three

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<v Speaker 1>point shooting last year. And now you got Strewice, and

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<v Speaker 1>now you got kni Yang Bang Bang Kniang.

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<v Speaker 2>I like saying it like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Most importantly, the young gun Amani Baits. He's an X

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<v Speaker 1>factor for this team. He could be special. Remember he

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<v Speaker 1>was a top recruit. He was like the top high

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<v Speaker 1>schooler in the country at one point. So you add

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<v Speaker 1>you have Lavert, you have Kniang, and you have Max

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<v Speaker 1>Struice on top of the money Baits. I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>a solid little bench. I hate a coral though. He's

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<v Speaker 1>gotta go, He's gotta go. The upside of this team

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<v Speaker 1>is probably where they were last year three four in

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<v Speaker 1>the East. If they're top three at the deadline. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they make a move. Are they a contender? No, but

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<v Speaker 1>the East not super deep. It's kind of Milwaukee and

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<v Speaker 1>Boston's to lose.