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Speaker 1: NATO leaders agreed ahead of their annual summit in Lithuania

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Speaker 1: to support Ukraine's inclusion in the alliance. However, timing on

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Speaker 1: the matter still remains vague. For more on Ukrainian support

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Speaker 1: from the G seven and NATO allies, we sat down

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Speaker 1: with UK Foreign Secretary James Cleverly, who spoke with Bloomberg's

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Speaker 1: Maria Todo on the sidelines of the NATO summit.

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Speaker 2: I'm supporting the Prime Minister and the Defense sectory here

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Speaker 2: at the NATO summit in Vilnius, and what we are

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Speaker 2: doing is welcoming formerly our thirty first ally Finland, and

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Speaker 2: we've also now seen an announcement which will unlock the

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Speaker 2: admission of Sweden as the thirty second member of this

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Speaker 2: defensive alliance. And this is an opportunity for us to

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Speaker 2: take the decisions that were made in the Madrid Summit

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Speaker 2: and formally turn them into actions. And I'm very pleased

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Speaker 2: that we are making progress with regard to our commitments

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Speaker 2: on defense spending. We are making progress on ensuring that

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Speaker 2: the Alliance is able to address the full range of

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Speaker 2: risks and challenges that confront us. And of course we

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Speaker 2: reaffirm our ongoing support to Ukraine and we will be

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Speaker 2: discussing their pathway ultimately to NATO.

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Speaker 3: Membership, and sir, thank you so much for that. President

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Speaker 3: Selinski has just landed here, but on the way, on

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Speaker 3: his way he put out a tweet which was an

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Speaker 3: angry tweet. He talked about NATO and Ukraine. Ukraine respects

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Speaker 3: it's allies, but it also merits respect. So it is

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Speaker 3: understood that he has probably seen heard something he did

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Speaker 3: not like. What is it that he doesn't like?

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Speaker 2: Well, we are discussing how we support Ukraine in their

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Speaker 2: self defense against Russia's brutal invasion, and we are of

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Speaker 2: course also discussing how we support Ukraine once the war

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Speaker 2: is over, and ultimately how we see them as becoming

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Speaker 2: a member of NATO, of this defensive alliance. Those discussions

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Speaker 2: are still ongoing, and the decisions around the final text,

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Speaker 2: the final Communicator and therefore the NATO's final position will

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Speaker 2: be conducted later on.

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Speaker 3: So the community is still up. Promply, that's basically what

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Speaker 3: you say. It's still not done and we will wait

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Speaker 3: for Presidents on Leski to get here and work that

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Speaker 3: final communicate. But the Ukrainians have made it very clear

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Speaker 3: they know they will not get a formal invitation the

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Speaker 3: countries at where everyone gets that, but they do say

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Speaker 3: we want a political invitation that makes it clear in

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Speaker 3: the communicate on paper we will join as soon as

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Speaker 3: conditions allow. Will they get that?

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Speaker 2: Well, what we have all said is that we stand

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Speaker 2: by our Bucharest commitment. The in Stoltenberg has said that

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Speaker 2: Ukraine's rightful places is as a member of NATO. We

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Speaker 2: are focused on supporting Ukraine in their self defense and

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Speaker 2: we are discussing the future pathway for Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: To enjoy NATO members So well, you know at this

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Speaker 3: point that is not in the text. The text still

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Speaker 3: does not carry this reference.

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Speaker 2: So the text is being discussed as we speak. This

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Speaker 2: is part of what the summit is about, and therefore

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Speaker 2: it would be completely inappropriate for me to speculate on

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Speaker 2: the content of the final communicate because that is being

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Speaker 2: worked on literally as we speak.

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Speaker 3: And I'll talk about security guarantees because that is bilateral

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Speaker 3: and the Prime Minister has been very vocal that the

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Speaker 3: UK is a massive supporter of Ukraine and that could

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Speaker 3: include those bilateral guarantees and security guarantees. What are you

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Speaker 3: going to offer on a bilateral basis to Ukraine, because

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Speaker 3: that you can decide yourself.

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Speaker 2: Well, what the UK is very proud of is that

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Speaker 2: we supported Ukraine with equipment and training prior to Russia's

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Speaker 2: full scale invasion in February of last year. We will

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Speaker 2: continue to support them until they are successful in regaining

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Speaker 2: control of their country, and then, of course we will

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Speaker 2: support them as other countries also will, in ensuring that

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Speaker 2: this does not happen again. The nature of that, of course,

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Speaker 2: will be dependent on circumstances. So again it's not something

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Speaker 2: I want to speculate about here and now, but we

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Speaker 2: have made our commitment clear that we support Ukraine until

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Speaker 2: they're successful, and then we will support them to make

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Speaker 2: sure that this cannot and will not happen again.

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Speaker 3: And that communicator will come out to more from the

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Speaker 3: G seven. Presumably allegedly the UK will join and sign

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Speaker 3: that on, but you still don't know what kind of

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Speaker 3: guarantees you're willing to give them, but you will sign

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Speaker 3: on whatever gets agreed collectively tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Well, we have absolutely made it clear. The UK's position

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Speaker 2: is absolutely clear that we will support Ukraine in its

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Speaker 2: self defense in the here and now, for however long

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Speaker 2: that takes, and that will continue to support them in

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Speaker 2: the future to ensure that they can never again be

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Speaker 2: subject to the kind of brutality that we've seen from Russia.

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Speaker 3: And just final question, what is your message to the

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Speaker 3: Russian Federation today? We're heard from the spokesman Vladimir put

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Speaker 3: Enemit Toveskov, and you said, this is now a very

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Speaker 3: dangerous road that NATO's heading to and we're obviously keeping

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Speaker 3: a very close eye on this. Final community, what's your

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Speaker 2: Russian My message to Russia is remove your troops now.

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Speaker 2: Russia is the aggressor. Russia sent its troops into Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: Russian missiles are targeting civilian infrastructure, civilian centers. Russia has

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Speaker 2: been the one that has escalated throughout this What the

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Speaker 2: friends of Ukraine are doing is helping Ukraine defend itself

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Speaker 2: against that Russian aggression. We are proud to do so

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Speaker 2: and we will continue to do so.

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Speaker 3: The Krumlin machine, they say that the uk is the

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Speaker 3: most aggressive of all. Is that something that you say? Okay,

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Speaker 3: I take that. It makes me proud.

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Speaker 2: The Russian tanks were the ones that flowed into Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: The aggression came from Russia. We are supporting a country

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Speaker 2: defending itself, defending the UN Charter and defending the concept

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Speaker 2: of sovereignty and territorial integrity. And I am proud to

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Speaker 2: defend those principles and help Ukraine defend that country.

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Speaker 1: That's uk Foreign Secretary James cleverly speaking with Bloomberg's Maria

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Speaker 1: Todeo on the sidelines of the NATO summit in Vilnius.

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