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Speaker 1: go see you too. How are you doing doing great?

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Speaker 1: We talked at the combine. We had a good conversation

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Speaker 1: about the Giants We're going to do in free agency,

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Speaker 1: and I think we kind of nailed it. They bring

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Speaker 1: a pretty good amount of money. They bring back Saquon

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Speaker 1: back on the franchise tag. Your overall thoughts on the

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Speaker 1: Giants offseason. I try to take that kind of that

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Speaker 3: I thought that Daniel Jones contract was a pretty good

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Speaker 3: day for Daniel Jones, you know, and I those quarterback

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Speaker 3: contracts are always hard to figure out because the market itself

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Speaker 2: I think that was probably the case with the Giants.

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Speaker 3: And when you lock the quarterback into a multi year deal,

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Speaker 3: I understand trying to avoid that entanglement, and that's what

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Speaker 2: And they weren't.

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Speaker 3: Maybe as aggressive and pass catches as I thought they

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Speaker 3: It was a weak free agent classic receiver. So you

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Speaker 3: it works out. But to me, what's notable is that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw last year the Giants basically added six

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Speaker 1: For a trade that a lot of people term a flyer,

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Speaker 1: We are outside at practice. By the way, the first

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no question about it.

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Speaker 1: about the NFC in general, because I don't I think

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Speaker 2: I think that they're right there, honestly, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I think they're going to be competitive in that group.

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Speaker 3: I just have so much faith and I've so much

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Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of your in Nate's an hour

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Speaker 4: All right, so let's make it simple. Let's go two

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Speaker 1: Giants defense Wink Mortindelle, one of the more unique defensive

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Speaker 1: approaches in football. Your thoughts on how they've construct what

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Speaker 1: they're doing, and how this defense might match up against

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Speaker 1: what's going to be a much tougher schedule for the

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Speaker 1: Giants this year, facing the AFC East instead of the

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Speaker 1: AFC South, which obviously has two very different divisions.

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Speaker 3: I really like the thought process in the offseason. You know,

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Speaker 3: you pay a lot for an off ball linebacker whose

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Speaker 3: name I cannot remember right now, Bobby Crazy, I was

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Speaker 2: But that's a tight end for the Colts. All of

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Speaker 2: it runs together.

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Speaker 1: I think we're all happy they'd just spend a lot

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Speaker 1: of money on al Cogle trade.

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Speaker 3: So well, listen, you've lived the al Google Tree life

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Speaker 3: SFI in Chicago, so I think that having you know,

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Speaker 3: just gonna be a centerpiece of your defense, especially your

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Speaker 3: So you look at where they added, you have a

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Speaker 3: lot more talent and stability through the spine of your defense.

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Speaker 3: You go sign Ashwan Robinson, you get Nunia's roaches from

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Speaker 2: So just that amount of beef.

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Speaker 3: In the middle and that amount of run stuffing potential,

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Speaker 3: I think is clearly where they were lacking last year.

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Speaker 3: maybe aren't guys that you want to rely on. Cordell

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Speaker 3: Flott gave you something gave you more than you probably

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Speaker 3: just feel like across the board, they've been really intentional

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Speaker 1: Final question, what's the one thing this Giants team has

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Speaker 1: to do better this year if they want to be

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Speaker 3: I think it's stopped the run. Fewer gashes on defense.

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Speaker 3: You know, when you live at Wing Martineau life, that's

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Speaker 3: losing anyway. So I think that that mindset potentially, and

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Speaker 3: then on offense, they just need more explosives, right, I mean,

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Speaker 3: they had an offense last year that was built within itself.

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Speaker 3: I think for good reason. You're kind of hanging onto

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Speaker 3: your hat with some young offensive line talents and moving

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Speaker 3: kind of just do something that's pretty focused, pretty conservative,

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Speaker 3: and it worked for them.

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Speaker 2: They made it work for them.

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Speaker 3: But now it's just about opening it up because in

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Speaker 3: order to take the next step you need to realize

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Speaker 3: a different ceiling with this thing.

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