Speaker 1: Hey bam, Hello sunshine. Today on the bright Side, it's
Speaker 1: Wellness Wednesday, and we're talking stress with physician and public
Speaker 1: health expert doctor Aditina Rucar. We're learning about how stress
Speaker 1: shows up in our bodies and actual tools to help
Speaker 1: manage it right in the moment. It's Wednesday, June twenty sixth.
Speaker 2: I'm Danielle Robe and I'm Simone Voice, and this is
Speaker 2: the bright side from Hello Sunshine, see money.
Speaker 1: I came across the statistic that really shocked me. Tell me,
Speaker 1: thirty four percent of Americans reported that their stress is
Speaker 1: completely overwhelming on most days. So I imagine that a
Speaker 1: majority of people deal with stress on a daily basis.
Speaker 2: I know I do.
Speaker 1: But to think that over a quarter of the population
Speaker 1: feels just completely overwhelmed by it daily, that's pretty concerning.
Speaker 2: It makes me wonder what more can we do to
Speaker 2: control it and to treat it and to manage it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I certainly have my days, but I'm at
Speaker 2: the stage in my life, Danielle where my stress, in
Speaker 2: my burnout isn't as much related to my career. It's
Speaker 2: really my home life. It's like being a parent, you know,
Speaker 2: it's managing a home it's all of those things.
Speaker 3: How about you.
Speaker 1: I totally get that. You know, I actually don't notice
Speaker 1: that I'm stressed. I had a therapist tell me that
Speaker 1: I don't notice that I'm anxious because I've just run anxious.
Speaker 2: My whole life.
Speaker 1: I guess, but I don't like feel it in my body. Really,
Speaker 1: I never considered myself a stressed out person. And then
Speaker 1: I'll take a vacation and I wake up by the
Speaker 1: beach or not having all the to do lists, and
Speaker 1: I realize how stressed I actually am that I'm running
Speaker 1: at such a high meter all the time.
Speaker 2: Do you ever have that one hundred percent? Well, I
Speaker 2: think a lot of the stress that's in our lives
Speaker 2: is because we overschedule ourselves. I was recently researching happiness,
Speaker 2: and the only way to allow room for spontaneity and
Speaker 2: serendipity in our life, which creates more happiness is to
Speaker 2: move away from overscheduling to allow room for flexibility and looseness.
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of a way that we can
Speaker 2: treat stress too.
Speaker 1: I love that you said that because I actually interviewed
Speaker 1: somebody on happiness and they said, it's not about trying
Speaker 1: to get more time it's about making the time you
Speaker 1: have rich.
Speaker 2: But we've got a lot of theories as always, Danielle,
Speaker 2: there's no shortage of theories between us. But today it's
Speaker 2: time to get answers, and we're going straight to doctor
Speaker 2: Aditi Narukar for that. She's a physician at the Harvard
Speaker 2: Medical School, a mental health expert who specializes in stress management, resilience,
Speaker 2: and burnout, and she says she strives to leave people
Speaker 2: feeling optimistic and empowered to make meaningful changes in their
Speaker 2: lives by understanding stress and managing it. I think it
Speaker 2: starts with making small, meaningful changes that have a lasting,
Speaker 2: cumulative effect.
Speaker 1: Doctor Narukar is the author of the Five Resets Rewire
Speaker 1: Your Brain and Body for Less Stress and More Resilience.
Speaker 1: In her book, she offers bite sized, yet actionable resets
Speaker 1: to implement into our everyday lives.
Speaker 2: Danielle, let's get right to it. I think we could
Speaker 2: use some stress help right now, so we're going to
Speaker 2: bring in doctor a Dt. Doctor a DT, welcome to
Speaker 2: the bright Side.
Speaker 4: I am so happy to be here with both of you.
Speaker 1: We are so happy to have you, and you are
Speaker 1: a leading expert in the study of stress and resilience.
Speaker 1: So we have a ton of questions about how better
Speaker 1: to identify and cope with stress. But before we get
Speaker 1: into solutions, will you talk about stress from a physiological standpoint,
Speaker 1: like what is happening in our bodies when we feel stressed.
Speaker 4: When you are feeling a sense of stress, your brain
Speaker 4: is led by the amygdala. It is a small almond
Speaker 4: shape structure deep in the brain, and its main purpose
Speaker 4: is survival and self preservation. Your amygdalah turns on when
Speaker 4: you feel a sense of stress because it is trying
Speaker 4: to keep you safe. What's fascinating about the science is
Speaker 4: that there are two kinds of stress, and not all
Speaker 4: stress is created equal. You have the healthy, positive, good
Speaker 4: kind of stress, and then you have the unhealthy negative stress.
Speaker 4: So when you and I and everyone say, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm having a stressful day, It's been a really hard
Speaker 4: week and I'm so stressed, what we're talking about is
Speaker 4: that bad kind of unhealthy stress. In scientific terms, it's
Speaker 4: known as maladaptive stress. The healthy kind of stress is
Speaker 4: known as adaptive stress. Healthy positive stress moves your life forward.
Speaker 4: Examples are maybe rooting for your favorite sports team, falling
Speaker 4: in love, getting a new house, or buying a new car, graduating,
Speaker 4: all of these things, meeting your new best friend. All
Speaker 4: of these things are positive, healthy things that happen in
Speaker 4: your life, and they help move your life forward. Unhealthy
Speaker 4: stress is what causes the problems, both mental and physical.
Speaker 3: The goal of life.
Speaker 4: Is not to live a life with zero stress. It's
Speaker 4: actually biologically impossible to do that. I live a life
Speaker 4: with healthy, manageable stress that can serve you rather than
Speaker 4: harve you.
Speaker 2: I'm stuck on this idea of good stress. I don't
Speaker 2: know that I understand it because I've always associated stress
Speaker 2: with a negative connotation in my mind. So can you
Speaker 2: elaborate on how we reframe how to think about stress.
Speaker 2: Is it similar to cholesterol, where there's good stress and
Speaker 2: bad stress.
Speaker 3: That's a great analogy. I love it.
Speaker 4: So when you and I, Simone, or you know, you're
Speaker 4: talking to your friends, your colleagues, you're like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: If you and Danielle are having a tough week. On
Speaker 4: the bright side, you have a lot of interviews and
Speaker 4: many things happening, You're like, wow, this is a really
Speaker 4: stressful week. We use the word stress, we throw it
Speaker 4: around in everyday language, and it's actually maladaptive stress that
Speaker 4: we're talking about, but the good kind of stress. The
Speaker 4: reason good stress even exists for the brain in the
Speaker 4: body is because your brain needs time and space to
Speaker 4: adapt to a change, even if it's something positive. That
Speaker 4: is why change is considered a stress to the brain.
Speaker 4: Even positive change is energy.
Speaker 2: A way to think of stress. When you were telling
Speaker 2: me about all those positive changes, I was thinking about
Speaker 2: like energetic momentum.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So you know, in physics especially, there is that
Speaker 4: potential energy and kinetic energy.
Speaker 3: Right, potential energy.
Speaker 4: Is still and stagnant, and then kinetic energy is energy
Speaker 4: in motion. And your brain doesn't know the difference between
Speaker 4: being excited or being fearful. And so what you can
Speaker 4: do when you're thinking about the energy of you know,
Speaker 4: new changes in your life or new events in your life.
Speaker 4: When you feel that sense of fear, the energy of fear,
Speaker 4: you can transform it into the energy of excitement by
Speaker 4: just reframing that conversation.
Speaker 3: In your head. But it has to be within a
Speaker 3: certain bounds.
Speaker 4: Meaning, if that stress is this runaway train that's just
Speaker 4: going on and on, it's hard to feel a sense
Speaker 4: of excitement, right because you are so overwhelmed with your
Speaker 4: stress your brain and your body because the mind body connection,
Speaker 4: that amygdala is like volume twenty, and so you want
Speaker 4: to get that amygdalah back to volume five and hopefully
Speaker 4: off all together so that it feels that that healthy
Speaker 4: stress that you have can feel productive and beneficial to
Speaker 4: your life and it can help you thrive rather than
Speaker 4: just merely being in survival mode.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the mind body connection a
Speaker 1: little more because we talked about where stress lives in
Speaker 1: the body, But how do you recognize it in your body?
Speaker 1: Because I think it could be confused maybe with anxiety.
Speaker 1: Do you feel it in your gut? How do you
Speaker 1: know when you're stressed out?
Speaker 4: That is the million dollar question, because there are truly
Speaker 4: one million flavors of stress and everyone has a different manifestation.
Speaker 4: I like to say that it's the canary in the
Speaker 4: coal mine, and we all have a canary song. And
Speaker 4: you know, historically coal miners going down into the minds,
Speaker 4: they would bring a canary with them, and the canary
Speaker 4: a bird would sing and the minute the air got bad,
Speaker 4: the singing would stop, and then they would say, oh
Speaker 4: wait a second, it's time to get out of the
Speaker 4: coal mines. And we all have a canary song, you know.
Speaker 4: For me, I was a stress patient before I became
Speaker 4: an expert in stress, and my canary song was a
Speaker 4: stampede of wild horses. It felt like my chesty palpitations.
Speaker 4: For other people, their canary song could be headaches or dizziness, fatigue,
Speaker 4: abdominal pain, feeling anxious or irritable, a sense of hypervigilance,
Speaker 4: being quick to anger head to toe. There are so
Speaker 4: many things that your body can do in terms of
Speaker 4: signs and symptoms. Of course, the first is to always
Speaker 4: talk to your doctor to see what the cause of
Speaker 4: your whatever sign is. And then often if there is
Speaker 4: no cause, we say it's a diagnosis of exclusion. That's
Speaker 4: what we say stress is. And surprisingly, sixty to eighty
Speaker 4: percent of all doctors' visits here in the US have
Speaker 4: a stress related component. Even though only three percent of
Speaker 4: doctors counsel their patients for stress.
Speaker 3: That's a huge percentage.
Speaker 1: We're taking a quick break, but when we come back,
Speaker 1: doctor Narukar tells us how we can rewire our brain
Speaker 1: to experience less stress, and we're back with doctor Narukar. Okay, doctor,
Speaker 1: it is very clear to me that some people exhibit
Speaker 1: high stress and some people are just really care free.
Speaker 1: Are there one, two, or three things that you think
Speaker 1: the average person can do to lower their stress levels.
Speaker 4: Of the many things that you could do, you can
Speaker 4: do something called stop Breathe B. It's a three second exercise.
Speaker 4: It can help reset your stress and help to rewire
Speaker 4: your brain and body over time. That's what you want
Speaker 4: to do, and we can do it together. You stop
Speaker 4: whatever you're doing, you breathe, Take a deep breath in
Speaker 4: and out, and you be so you think about your
Speaker 4: body if you are standing up, or maybe you're doing dishes,
Speaker 4: or in the morning when you're getting your kids ready
Speaker 4: for school, or right before you know you click join zoom.
Speaker 3: That's a great time.
Speaker 4: To do it because you want to practice stop breathe
Speaker 4: B the three second reset right before a mundane, repetitive task.
Speaker 3: The more mundane the better.
Speaker 4: Something that you're about to start that's going to bring
Speaker 4: a cascade and flood of stress and negative emotions. And
Speaker 4: so stop breathebe can work because it taps into your
Speaker 4: mind body connection. It gets you out of that what
Speaker 4: if thinking future doom and gloom the amygdala, and back
Speaker 4: to what is in the here and now. It grounds
Speaker 4: you in the present moment. And if you practice stop
Speaker 4: Breathe B throughout the day. I used to practice at
Speaker 4: twenty thirty times throughout the day at different moments, it
Speaker 4: can help decrease your sense of anxiety and overwhelm that
Speaker 4: feeling of hypervigilance anxiousness, and in time tap into your
Speaker 4: mind body connection.
Speaker 2: So the more that we practice these stress relieving techniques
Speaker 2: like stop Breathe B, the easier it becomes to regulate
Speaker 2: stress in the body and mind.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 4: There is this term called neuroplasticity. It's a very long,
Speaker 4: fancy medical word. It simply means that your brain is
Speaker 4: a muscle. So just like you would train a bicep,
Speaker 4: you would do you know, ten bicep curls, and you'd fatigue,
Speaker 4: and then the next day maybe you would do twenty,
Speaker 4: and over time you can get stronger with your muscles,
Speaker 4: your biceps. Your brain can do the same thing. And
Speaker 4: so as you keep practicing stop Breathe B and all
Speaker 4: the other techniques that you do to rewire your brain
Speaker 4: for less stress, what happens over time is that that
Speaker 4: information in your brain goes from like a one lane
Speaker 4: dirt road into this like eight Lane Highway.
Speaker 2: I came across this survey from twenty twenty one that
Speaker 2: really struck me. It was surveyed fifteen hundred workers and
Speaker 2: found that more than half of them felt burned out
Speaker 2: from their jobs. Women have reported higher levels of burnout
Speaker 2: than men, and as of twenty twenty one, that gap
Speaker 2: had more than doubled. Is there a difference between stress
Speaker 2: and burnout?
Speaker 3: You can think of it this way.
Speaker 4: Stress is a short term thing, right, Like, ideally you
Speaker 4: have stress, it's something that happens and you come back
Speaker 4: to baseline, and burnout is what happens when that baseline
Speaker 4: is never reached. It's just this ongoing stress. So that's
Speaker 4: what increases your risk of burnout. The fascinating thing about
Speaker 4: burnout over the past several years is that the definition
Speaker 4: has really changed. So back in twenty nineteen is when
Speaker 4: it was finally recognized by the WHO as an occupational
Speaker 4: phenomenon and it was recognized as like a real clinical syndrome.
Speaker 4: It finally gave a name to something that many workers
Speaker 4: were feeling. But over the past several years, what burnout
Speaker 4: looks like in the face of burn has really changed.
Speaker 4: So when you think about classical symptoms of burnout, you
Speaker 4: think of someone who's apathetic or disengage, not very motivated, lethargic.
Speaker 4: So in one most recent study, sixty percent of people
Speaker 4: with burnout had an inability to disconnect from work as
Speaker 4: their main feature. But increasingly, it's burnout is becoming difficult
Speaker 4: to identify in yourself and others, simply because what burnout
Speaker 4: looks like has really changed.
Speaker 1: Women have reported higher levels of burnout than men for years.
Speaker 1: Some of the reasons I've heard are that women are
Speaker 1: more likely to be heads of single parent families, more
Speaker 1: likely to take on unpaid labor, less likely to be
Speaker 1: promoted than men, so there's financial stress. Do women biologically,
Speaker 1: physiologically experience burnout different than men?
Speaker 4: I will say that there is nothing inherently different in
Speaker 4: a woman's biology and a men's biology in terms of
Speaker 4: stress and burnout. However, we are socialized to experience burnout
Speaker 4: and stress differently, many of us women. We really abide
Speaker 4: by this resilience myth that if you are feeling burnt out,
Speaker 4: you must not be that resilient, which is a complete
Speaker 4: myth because we know that even amongst the most resilient people,
Speaker 4: thirty percent still experience burnout. So resilience is protective, but
Speaker 4: it's not enough to prevent burnout. And the second thing
Speaker 4: that many women and people in general, but particularly women
Speaker 4: face is this idea of toxic resilience, which is, you've
Speaker 4: heard of toxic positivity, but toxic resilience is a manifestation
Speaker 4: of hustle culture is pushing past boundaries, productivity at all costs,
Speaker 4: and inability to say no. And true resilience leans into
Speaker 4: this idea of self compassion and giving yourself grace. Toxic
Speaker 4: resilience doesn't. What does toxic resilience look like? Just look
Speaker 4: around you know, you can take on that extra deadline.
Speaker 3: You're resilient.
Speaker 4: Or you can manage take care of your kids and
Speaker 4: working at full speed. You're resilient. You don't need my help,
Speaker 4: You're resilient. These are messages of toxic resilience, and so
Speaker 4: we really need to reframe the conversation not just about
Speaker 4: stress and good stress and bad stress, but also resilience,
Speaker 4: like what is true resilience? What is toxic resilience? And
Speaker 4: especially when it comes to women, we are so prone
Speaker 4: sidally because of infrastructure, to really get so down on ourselves,
Speaker 4: but in fact you are resilient humans, individuals and women.
Speaker 4: We are resilient. It's the systems that are burning us out.
Speaker 1: I have interviewed a few people on burnout, mostly because
Speaker 1: I always thought that it was sort of like a
Speaker 1: false term. I kind of put it in the box
Speaker 1: of gen Z kids who were overly emotional or weak.
Speaker 1: And then I experienced it myself. And I hate to
Speaker 1: admit that I had to experience it to believe it,
Speaker 1: but I did for this, and I realized that the
Speaker 1: antidote to burnout is not rest, it's actually joy and connection.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you need a complete overhaul, right, Like
Speaker 4: so often people say, oh, like you're burnt out. I
Speaker 4: mean that's what happened with me when I was going
Speaker 4: through my stress struggle.
Speaker 3: My doctor.
Speaker 4: I went to see my doctor. She did the full
Speaker 4: work up and said, oh, you're just really stressed. You're
Speaker 4: probably burnt out. Just try to relax more. So, you know,
Speaker 4: I did all of those things. I watched movies, retail therapy,
Speaker 4: hung out with friends, spend time with family.
Speaker 3: Bought a nice leather jacket.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I was like, oh, this is relaxing, right,
Speaker 4: But nothing was working, and so what really shifted for
Speaker 4: me is when I understood the science of what happens
Speaker 4: to the brain and the body with stress and burnout
Speaker 4: and how you can actively change. So the antidote to
Speaker 4: burnout is yes, joy and purpose. But when you are
Speaker 4: feeling that sense of burnout, like when you are running
Speaker 4: on complete fumes, if you say to that person, as
Speaker 4: I have, you know many of my patients, right, just
Speaker 4: find some joy and purpose. It feels very difficult because
Speaker 4: it feels like that's the top of the mountain and
Speaker 4: I'm so not there right now. Instead, you know, try
Speaker 4: to focus on your sleep. So really protect your sleep.
Speaker 4: Think of it as the vital resource it is. Fill
Speaker 4: up that tank a little bit. You know you're running
Speaker 4: on fumes. Get out and walk for five minutes a day.
Speaker 4: You don't have to run a marathon, you don't even
Speaker 4: have to walk for an hour, just five minutes of
Speaker 4: moving your body. Nourish yourself, stay hydrated.
Speaker 3: Do these small.
Speaker 4: Things, you know, stay off of social media if you can,
Speaker 4: or create some digital boundaries, and over time you will
Speaker 4: fill up that tank and then you can find your
Speaker 4: joy and purpose and really find a way out. But
Speaker 4: so often when people are feeling burnt out and really
Speaker 4: in that state of despair, they feel a greater sense
Speaker 4: of burden when you know, when we like, oh, just
Speaker 4: find something that brings you joy, because at that time,
Speaker 4: that experience of burnout feels so joyless and they don't
Speaker 4: even know where to turn.
Speaker 2: Often, we got to take a short break, but don't
Speaker 2: go anywhere, because when we come back, doctor Narukar is
Speaker 2: revealing the scientific benefits behind touching grass.
Speaker 1: And we're back. So we have some specific scenarios that
Speaker 1: we'd love your perspective and advice on the first one
Speaker 1: is something I've felt at past jobs. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to name names, but the Sunday scaries are real, and
Speaker 1: that feeling of dread that comes ahead of starting a
Speaker 1: new week. How can we ward off that noise and
Speaker 1: not let it take over the weekend or even feel
Speaker 1: stressed out before we go to bed.
Speaker 4: So the Sunday scaries are real and I've felt those.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4: The reason you feel the Sunday scaries is because anxiety
Speaker 4: is a future focused emotion. It's all the one ifs, right,
Speaker 4: like what if this happens, what if that happens, What
Speaker 4: if this happens? It's doom and gloom thinking, and like
Speaker 4: we talked about earlier in our conversation, it's about shifting
Speaker 4: away from what if and back to what is. One
Speaker 4: very simple technique that you can do is have something
Speaker 4: to look forward to and plan out on a Monday.
Speaker 4: So do something that brings you a lot of joy, yeah,
Speaker 4: and then again plan something later on in the week.
Speaker 4: When you have that sense of looking forward to it.
Speaker 4: You know, there's lots of reasons why you have Sunday scaries,
Speaker 4: and it ebbs and flows. If it's happening once in
Speaker 4: a while you're feeling that sense of Sunday scaries, that's okay.
Speaker 4: But if it is happening for months and months and
Speaker 4: months at a time and debilitating, then it's time to
Speaker 4: take a closer look into what's happening and what's causing
Speaker 4: you to have those Sunday scaries for Monday.
Speaker 2: Doctor Narkar, I was listening to talk about toxic resilience
Speaker 2: and I was like, wow, that is such a profound
Speaker 2: term and that is so smart to talk about it
Speaker 2: and want to encourage people to avoid it. And resilience
Speaker 2: is a part of my reality as a parent. I
Speaker 2: have no choice but to be resilient because there are
Speaker 2: so many stressors that are sent my way as a
Speaker 2: mom of two active little boys. So what's your advice
Speaker 2: on navigating parental burnout? How can we extend self compassion
Speaker 2: when we're walking through that.
Speaker 4: I love this question because I have to coach myself
Speaker 4: every single day, simon, because I too as a working mother.
Speaker 4: You know, we're so hard on ourselves. First and foremost,
Speaker 4: give yourself lots of grace. Self compassion is just not
Speaker 4: a nice to have. When we change our self talk
Speaker 4: and that inner critic it has a direct effect on
Speaker 4: your omigdala dials down the volume of your amygdala, and
Speaker 4: so really leaning into that sense of grace and self
Speaker 4: compassion is really really important. Of course, we know based
Speaker 4: on the science and also just our lived experience as
Speaker 4: parents that having a sense of community is so important.
Speaker 4: Loneliness to parenting is a real issue. Loneliness is at
Speaker 4: epidemic proportions all throughout America and the world. Frankly, but
Speaker 4: you know, for parents, especially especially when you have young kids,
Speaker 4: making sure that you have a tribe so you're not
Speaker 4: going through it alone. And finally, to really normalize and
Speaker 4: validate the difficult experience that all of us are having,
Speaker 4: whether we be parents or if we aren't parents or
Speaker 4: parents to fur babies. You know, we're all caregivers in
Speaker 4: some capacity and understanding that caregiving as an act, it's
Speaker 4: a beautiful thing, but it also takes a lot of
Speaker 4: out of you. And when you're running on fumes, it's
Speaker 4: just very difficult normalizing and validating the difficult experience of
Speaker 4: whether it be stress or burnout or parental burnout or
Speaker 4: whatever it is you're experiencing. When you can do that,
Speaker 4: you can show up for yourself and for others in
Speaker 4: a much deeper way.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Simona and I have been known to use
Speaker 1: the phrase touch grass on this podcast, which to us
Speaker 1: means like go take a break, but also it means
Speaker 1: grounding yourself, coming down to earth, and we've heard you
Speaker 1: talk about grounding now in this podcast. Obviously nature is
Speaker 1: so good for our mental health. Are there scientific benefits
Speaker 1: to touching grass? Oh?
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 4: I love when people on social media like as the
Speaker 4: clap back, they're like, go touch some grass, dude. It
Speaker 4: always makes me laugh too. I find it so hysterical.
Speaker 4: So there's a Japanese custom called forest bathing. And it's
Speaker 4: a beautiful concept. It simply means that you go into nature,
Speaker 4: and not specifically grass per se, but just like a
Speaker 4: area with lush nature, with lots of green and trees,
Speaker 4: and you just bathe yourself in the forest. I have
Speaker 4: not studied the science deeply, but I can tell you
Speaker 4: what happens to you from the brain standpoint. You feel
Speaker 4: a sense of awe and you feel a sense of
Speaker 4: connection you tap into. Danielle, you alluded to this purpose
Speaker 4: and meaning. There are two kinds of happiness. There is
Speaker 4: he done happiness. He Donic happiness is like getting that
Speaker 4: new bag or the new shoes, or taking a trip,
Speaker 4: or you know, buying a new car, easy things that
Speaker 4: we look at as oh, that person must be so
Speaker 4: happy they have all of these things in their life.
Speaker 4: But there is another kind of happiness, you dimonic happiness.
Speaker 4: You dimonic happiness is not like the thrill and the
Speaker 4: joy and all of that that he done happiness is You.
Speaker 4: Dimonic happiness is about contentment, purpose, meaning. And so when
Speaker 4: you're in the forest, when you're on nature, when you
Speaker 4: look at the ocean, when you look at tall mountains,
Speaker 4: you feel that deep sense of purpose and meaning that
Speaker 4: sense of belonging, and in fact, your brain and your
Speaker 4: body know the difference. In one study, he done happiness
Speaker 4: was compared to you diaimonic happiness, and your cells know
Speaker 4: the difference, and your DNA knows the difference between the two,
Speaker 4: and he donnic happiness didn't have the same benefits as
Speaker 4: you daimonic happiness. And so really doing things, you know, unplugging,
Speaker 4: being out in nature, like you say, touch grass, doing
Speaker 4: things that are all inspiring that make you feel a
Speaker 4: sense of connection and that feeling of you dimonic happiness, contentment, purpose, meaning,
Speaker 4: that is what's so therapeutic, and that's why going out
Speaker 4: in nature feels so so good.
Speaker 2: I'm adding a new word to my lexicon. It's you
Speaker 2: demonic happiness. Me dimonic happiness? Is you dimonic happiness?
Speaker 1: I love it?
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Doctor Narukar, thank you so much for sharing your expertise
Speaker 1: here with us. On the bright side, we really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Guys. Doctor Adit Narukar is an internal medicine physician at
Speaker 2: Harvard and a stress, resilience and public health expert. That's
Speaker 2: it for today's show. Tomorrow, we've got sisters and best
Speaker 2: selling authors Amber Ruffin and Lacey Lamar. They're here on
Speaker 2: the bright Side to talk comedy, family, and so much more.
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Speaker 1: I'm Danielle Robe on Instagram and TikTok.
Speaker 3: That's ro b A.
Speaker 2: Y see you tomorrow, folks. Keep looking on the bright side.