WEBVTT - A Different Tone, But Same Outcome: Why Parole Was Denied for Lyle Menendez

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks.

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<v Speaker 2>It is Saturday, August twenty third, and actions speak louder

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<v Speaker 2>than words. We've been told that our whole lives. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's what Lyle Menindez was told yesterday, right before he

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<v Speaker 2>was denied parole, just like his brother the day before.

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<v Speaker 2>And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and

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<v Speaker 2>TJ Special Guests today, Amy. That's funny, I'm king.

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<v Speaker 3>It was even funnier that you just called me Amy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well then, well I had to go with the welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to Amy and TJ, so I had to continue.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, you've never done that before. I'm just pointing out, but.

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<v Speaker 2>It was see why are we doing this? Hey, everybody

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<v Speaker 2>wall good things. She's back, huh uh. But no, I

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of folks know. Robes has been out

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<v Speaker 2>the past few days since the podcast, dropping off a

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<v Speaker 2>kid at college in Boulder, But was very much Robes

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<v Speaker 2>while you were gone keeping an eye on this story.

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<v Speaker 2>And isn't it the case, Robes that you felt momentum

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<v Speaker 2>was on their side even for the past year plus, even.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely with all of the different hurdles that they've been

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<v Speaker 3>able to cross, so to speak, it felt like, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>they there was a consensus building and specifically the LA

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<v Speaker 3>District attorney before the elections. People seem to think that

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<v Speaker 3>they had served their time for their crime, given the

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<v Speaker 3>ages they were when they were committed. In addition to

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<v Speaker 3>new evidence that came up that showed a pattern of

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<v Speaker 3>abuse by the menandez brother's father, So there seemed to

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<v Speaker 3>be reasons for or at least an explanation, a motive

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<v Speaker 3>that was understandable, at least for perhaps why they did

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<v Speaker 3>what they did. And so, yes, I was surprised. I

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<v Speaker 3>was a little surprised.

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<v Speaker 1>That they were both correct. So I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think to your point, we have been watching Momentum Public

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<v Speaker 2>Momentum documentaries, New AffA, Davits, new Information. You had a

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<v Speaker 2>Daou there before he was kicked out. At least he

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<v Speaker 2>was one leading the rallying prize saying yeah, so all

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<v Speaker 2>of that, And then the parole hearing happened for Eric

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<v Speaker 2>on Thursday. And when I heard that, I said, that

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<v Speaker 2>makes perfect sense. When you hear a parole board, Y say, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>folks out there are considering a whole different set of

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<v Speaker 2>circumstances that we have to consider as a parole board.

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<v Speaker 2>When I hear the parole board say we don't even

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<v Speaker 2>we're not keeping you in prison because of what you

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<v Speaker 2>did to your parents, is because of who you've been

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<v Speaker 2>the past thirty years in prison, and despite what your

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<v Speaker 2>endorsers and some of your celebrity endorsers are saying, you

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<v Speaker 2>two have not been model prisoners.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know what's interesting. In Lyle's parole board hearing yesterday,

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<v Speaker 3>when they were talking to him about their decision, they

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<v Speaker 3>talked about how they understood that at least there was

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<v Speaker 3>an acknowledgment that perhaps part of the reason why they

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<v Speaker 3>behaved the way they did, which was explained as entitled

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<v Speaker 3>children basically behind bars, could have been because they had

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<v Speaker 3>no hope of getting out. They had been sentenced to

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<v Speaker 3>life in prison without the possibility of parole. It's only

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<v Speaker 3>been in recent months that they've now been eligible, or

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<v Speaker 3>even a month, right, how long has it been since

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<v Speaker 3>they were It was a may re sentenced because of

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<v Speaker 3>the ages they were at the time the crime was committed.

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<v Speaker 3>That they were resentenced, which ben made them eligible for parole.

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<v Speaker 3>So they finally got even a glimmer of hope that

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<v Speaker 3>they could get out actually through parole a few months ago.

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<v Speaker 3>So they acknowledged, we see that you perhaps felt like

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<v Speaker 3>you had no incentive to behave well, But that doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>matter because it's still reflective of who you are as

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<v Speaker 3>a person, and.

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<v Speaker 1>To that as well.

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<v Speaker 2>On the cell phone usage, this has been going on

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<v Speaker 2>a while and they knew that this might come up,

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<v Speaker 2>and they knew the DA last year was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get them resentenced. The Lyle's most recent cell phone violation

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<v Speaker 2>was March of.

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<v Speaker 3>This year, right, and he had an explanation. Unlike his

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<v Speaker 3>brother Eric, he claims that because they do get privileges,

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<v Speaker 3>they do get phone privileges. I think through a tablet,

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<v Speaker 3>but obviously those conversations are monitored and documented, so there's

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<v Speaker 3>no privacy to them. And Lyle claims the reason why

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<v Speaker 3>he needed a cell phone was because his conversations were

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<v Speaker 3>being monitored and then part of what he was saying

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<v Speaker 3>was being leaked to tabloids, so he was using that

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<v Speaker 3>as an excuse. Hey, your prison guards or whoever's monitoring

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<v Speaker 3>these lines are actually betraying my privacy and selling what

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<v Speaker 3>I say to the tabloids.

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<v Speaker 2>And who would ever buy that? Who is sitting there

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<v Speaker 2>in your judgment, You just came up with an excuse.

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<v Speaker 2>It's our fault that you decided to break the rule.

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<v Speaker 3>That probably doesn't sit well. Now you should have just

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<v Speaker 3>said you're right, I'm sorry, and so.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's sell you exactly what did happen. Yes, folks, look,

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<v Speaker 2>we thought Eric's was a long day. This one was

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<v Speaker 2>even longer. An eleven hour. An eleven hour parole board hearing.

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<v Speaker 2>These things, folks will tell you, usually say two to

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<v Speaker 2>three hours, and even before Eric's on Thursday, that was

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<v Speaker 2>the prediction it might be three hours. And again we

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<v Speaker 2>remind you because of the rules out there. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a parole board hearing. This isn't an open court hearing.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no audio, there's no video, only one pool reporter,

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<v Speaker 2>and that pool reporter cannot disseminate information until the thing

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<v Speaker 2>is over. So we sat with zero information for eleven

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<v Speaker 2>hours waiting to hear what happened. So what happened. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>they ultimately denied parole, denied parole for him, but he

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<v Speaker 2>is eligible for parole again in three years, but there

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<v Speaker 2>is an administrative review that can take place in a year,

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<v Speaker 2>which could result then in him getting another parole board hearing,

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<v Speaker 2>sooner than that three years could happen. Ultimately, in eighteen months,

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<v Speaker 2>his brother Eric got the same deal as well. They're

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<v Speaker 2>going to have these administrative reviews, So why robes the

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<v Speaker 2>question is, and many of their reasons were the same

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<v Speaker 2>as Eric's for why they're telling him he can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Get out of prison.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of the testimony, I say testimony, but a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of the questions directed at Lyle throughout the hearing

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<v Speaker 3>were at the abuse he suffered at the hands of

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<v Speaker 3>his father. They really went back as they did with

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<v Speaker 3>Eric and dissected the crime itself, the why, and really

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<v Speaker 3>trying to measure how sorry, truly sorry each brother was.

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<v Speaker 3>Now with Lyle, he actually said something that Eric did not,

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<v Speaker 3>and there were questions as to whether he learned or

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<v Speaker 3>maybe he even practiced beforehand, because Eric got hung up

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<v Speaker 3>when the parole board really went after him as to

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<v Speaker 3>why he had to or felt like he had to

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<v Speaker 3>kill his mother. If the abuse they suffered was at

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<v Speaker 3>the hands of his father, why then did the mother

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<v Speaker 3>have to die? And Eric really didn't have a good answer.

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<v Speaker 3>So Lyle came prepped and look, he had made these

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<v Speaker 3>accusations when he was being accused initially, but it was

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<v Speaker 3>never corroborated, and I don't believe it actually ended up

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<v Speaker 3>in trial but he said this on equivocally. He stated

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<v Speaker 3>it multiple times. He claimed at yesterday's par board hearing

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<v Speaker 3>that he was and they were sexually abused by their mother.

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<v Speaker 3>He said it happened at the age of thirteen, and

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<v Speaker 3>so he said he felt like he was consenting and

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<v Speaker 3>he was embarrassed about it, and that's why he said

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<v Speaker 3>he never told police about it initially because he felt

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<v Speaker 3>like he was consenting because of his age.

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<v Speaker 2>He even he's I think that surprised some of the

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<v Speaker 2>folks on the pro board, and he had an entire

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<v Speaker 2>psychological evaluation in review. The question is, well, why didn't

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<v Speaker 2>you say this to somebody? Nobody asked and it sounded

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<v Speaker 2>like something now that I don't know, Why is this

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<v Speaker 2>coming up now? And what do you have an indication?

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<v Speaker 2>What exactly was the direct question that was asked that

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<v Speaker 2>prompted him to give this information.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but it seemed as though it came

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<v Speaker 3>within the question of why did you kill your mother?

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<v Speaker 2>And this is but he's been asked why for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time. That's I mean, that's you've had thirty six

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<v Speaker 2>years to give this answer, and he gave it yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>Again.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I'm missing something. And this was

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<v Speaker 2>hinted at or in the past, but this was a

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<v Speaker 2>moment there, it seemed in the parole war here.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was a distinctive moment from when his brother

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<v Speaker 3>Eric was asked the same question. Eric made no mention

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<v Speaker 3>of being sexually abused. Now Eric is younger than Lyle,

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<v Speaker 3>so we don't know where Eric stands on this, but

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<v Speaker 3>Lyle said they both were sexually abused. But he specifically

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<v Speaker 3>talked about his age and got into specifics that no

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<v Speaker 3>one had heard before.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he spoke.

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<v Speaker 2>It was almost like he was sympathetic to his mother

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<v Speaker 2>and his answer it sounded like he said she was

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<v Speaker 2>with a fear that she had in some way as

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<v Speaker 2>well in things he was trying to understand about her

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<v Speaker 2>background and her upbringing.

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<v Speaker 1>That. So, yeah, this was all he got.

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<v Speaker 2>Complex and a mess and a family mess and just

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<v Speaker 2>a tragedy from start to finish.

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<v Speaker 3>It really the darkness and the dark It just was

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<v Speaker 3>really and he talked. He got really specific about his

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<v Speaker 3>father's abuse and saying it happened at a very young age.

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<v Speaker 3>And he said that when it ended, when he told

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<v Speaker 3>or asked to sleep in his nieces or sorry, his

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<v Speaker 3>it was his cousin's room, his niece's room, some other

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<v Speaker 3>female relative's room, because he said, my dad touches me,

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<v Speaker 3>and so he told a relative. He said, once he

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<v Speaker 3>told a relative, it never happened again. But then he

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<v Speaker 3>said he felt a loss that his dad didn't love

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<v Speaker 3>him as much, or that somehow he wasn't his special

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<v Speaker 3>son or his special boy that his father called him.

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<v Speaker 3>So he felt rejected and all the complexities that come

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<v Speaker 3>with that. So he really got into a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>his psychological the impact on him and what he was

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<v Speaker 3>thinking at the time and how it affected him.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think a lot of people can be sympathetic

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<v Speaker 2>to a certain degree about that. But what the parole

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<v Speaker 2>board is having to deal with really is what rehabilitation

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<v Speaker 2>and your past behavior and how likely we have to

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<v Speaker 2>make a decision to put you back out on the streets,

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<v Speaker 2>to recommend if the governor is going to put you

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<v Speaker 2>back out in the streets, you just have to take

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<v Speaker 2>what kind of risk is this person? And they keep

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<v Speaker 2>talking rogues about your if you cannot follow the rules

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<v Speaker 2>in here, we have like zero faith in you doing

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<v Speaker 2>it out in society.

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<v Speaker 3>And the examples they have leading up and in the

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<v Speaker 3>days and weeks after their parents' death was nothing but

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<v Speaker 3>lies and spending like copious amounts of cash after their

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<v Speaker 3>parents were brutally murdered by them knowing that they had

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<v Speaker 3>been cut off earlier for whatever reason financially, so they

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<v Speaker 3>were struggling financially. So there are all of these like, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>this all sounds and could be true about this abuse,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, but it doesn't excuse the way you behaved

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<v Speaker 3>leading up to and certainly in the days and weeks

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<v Speaker 3>after your parents' death, and then all of the lies.

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<v Speaker 3>Lyle was the one who like repeatedly lied to detectives

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<v Speaker 3>and investigators, And so they said, if you have a

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<v Speaker 3>history and a pattern of deceit, how can we trust you?

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<v Speaker 1>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they has some pretty strong words for the

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<v Speaker 2>Lyle characteristics of anti social personality traits like deception, minimization,

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<v Speaker 2>and rule breaking that lie beneath that positive surface. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they spoke of him like a guy like you're going

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<v Speaker 2>and teaching a class and telling people how to be

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<v Speaker 2>good citizens in here and then leave them and go

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<v Speaker 2>back to your cell and continue a pattern of violating rules.

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't there a six year stretch? They said he had

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<v Speaker 2>a cell phone, yes, the whole like he was breaking rules,

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<v Speaker 2>not on a one off for this, or that he

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<v Speaker 2>was a repeat violator.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, of the rules. Yes. And it's interesting because they

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<v Speaker 3>did say that they found that his remorse was genuine,

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<v Speaker 3>so they did give him that nod. And there was

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<v Speaker 3>a different tone in how they talked to Lyle versus

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<v Speaker 3>how they talked to Eric. It's almost like they wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to believe him and they were encouraging him to be

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<v Speaker 3>the person he appears to be. But there was also

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<v Speaker 3>this acknowledgement that that all could be a mask of

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<v Speaker 3>deception and they just weren't sure who the real Lyle was.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the parole commissioner specifically told him, don't ever

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<v Speaker 3>not have hope. This denial isn't the end. But I

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<v Speaker 3>thought it was interesting that she said, this is a

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<v Speaker 3>way for you to spend some time to demonstrate to

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<v Speaker 3>practice what you preach, who you are and who you

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<v Speaker 3>want to be. And notably she said, don't be somebody

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<v Speaker 3>different behind closed doors.

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<v Speaker 1>See I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if he knows he has a possibility for

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<v Speaker 2>review in a year, he is what knitting Christmas sweaters

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<v Speaker 2>for all the staff, right? Now, why wouldn't he he's

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<v Speaker 2>the best. Obviously he's gonna be on his best behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>So how if this is a guy that you're already

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<v Speaker 2>saying has a history of deception and manipulation, and isn't

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<v Speaker 2>he just gonna go do.

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<v Speaker 1>What he has to do?

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<v Speaker 3>But oddly it seemed as though they were telling him, Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>they were dangling a carrot. Just be good for a year,

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<v Speaker 3>you'll be up for review, and then you can get

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<v Speaker 3>out in a year and a half. I thought that

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<v Speaker 3>was interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>We just don't want this to be on us.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of that's wild. But still, after all of this,

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<v Speaker 2>he's been denied, his brother has been denied. But would

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<v Speaker 2>you believe he still has a chance to get out

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<v Speaker 2>of prison, even immediately? And the power to do that

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<v Speaker 2>lies in one man in Sacramento.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back, everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ,

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<v Speaker 3>where we are talking about Lyle Menendez. His parole has

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<v Speaker 3>been denied, despite the Parole Board acknowledging they believed his

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<v Speaker 3>remorse was genuine. We heard from Lyle directly yesterday, with

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<v Speaker 3>tears in his eyes, saying, my life has been defined

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<v Speaker 3>by extreme violence. I wanted to be defined by something else.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, I am so sorry to everyone and I

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<v Speaker 3>will be forever sorry. And the commissioner said, we believe you.

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<v Speaker 2>Did I see as well? He spoke of he's a

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<v Speaker 2>big brother like he Yes, he led this and spoke

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<v Speaker 2>of I hadn't seen that anywhere before. Actually that he

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<v Speaker 2>almost felt bad as a big brother for letting down.

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<v Speaker 1>His little brother.

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<v Speaker 3>And he talked about the violence that he saw his

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<v Speaker 3>brother and dure at the hands of both his mother

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<v Speaker 3>and his father, and felt very defensive in that regard

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<v Speaker 3>for not being able to protect him and the family.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, I think it was he had a dozen or

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<v Speaker 2>so folks speaking there for him, family and friends, mostly family.

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<v Speaker 2>But they have been very supportive of both of these men. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't been pushing for them to get out of prison.

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<v Speaker 2>They put out a statement after Eric was denying, saying

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<v Speaker 2>they were hopeful for what was going to happen with Lyle.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously it didn't go that way for Lyle, but they

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<v Speaker 2>spoke again Roams and this is for me still extraordinary,

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<v Speaker 2>this family that is speaking their family members were murdered

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<v Speaker 2>and they are pushing for the murderers to be let

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<v Speaker 2>out of prison. Yes, I know their family members as well,

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<v Speaker 2>but this has just been extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, there was only one family member that I can

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<v Speaker 3>think of who had publicly been against the brothers ever

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<v Speaker 3>being released, and that was their mother, Kitty's brother. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>he passed away earlier this year. So the only dissenter

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<v Speaker 3>from the Menendez family has passed on. And so it

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<v Speaker 3>appears that every living member of their families is in

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<v Speaker 3>support of them coming home. And one of them older

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<v Speaker 3>and aging and cancer, Yeah, has cancer and said I

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<v Speaker 3>want to be able to spend time with my family

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<v Speaker 3>before I passed, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, And I just remember this. I wish I could

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<v Speaker 2>give him credit for a prosecutor. I spoke about this

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<v Speaker 2>in a previous episode. I just someone who was a

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<v Speaker 2>federal prosecutor said, in all of my days in this career,

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<v Speaker 2>I have never been to a parole hearing with a

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<v Speaker 2>family of the person murdered is pushing for the murderer

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<v Speaker 2>to get out of prison. Said, never ever have I

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<v Speaker 2>seen that. I know it's a family connection here, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's still extraordinary to see how supportive they are and

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<v Speaker 2>how much they're pushing it.

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<v Speaker 3>Is I mean, if you think about it, because people say, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>well they're family too, but no, imagine if your brother,

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<v Speaker 3>if your sister was murdered by their children. That doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>mean you necessarily are praising or supporting their children. You're

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<v Speaker 3>probably pretty damn pissed at your niece or your name.

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<v Speaker 2>We see this all the time on all the true

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<v Speaker 2>crime absolutely absolute parents and whatever, they will break down

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<v Speaker 2>a relationship based on somesh like this.

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<v Speaker 3>Especially when you're talking cousins and Anne's there's not it's right,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a little bit removed, and so yes, if you

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<v Speaker 3>took away another beloved family member, yes, So it just

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<v Speaker 3>shows that there's at least some understanding, it appears from

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<v Speaker 3>the family members as to why, Because if there wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>a good answer for the why, I don't think there'd

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<v Speaker 3>ever be this level of forgiveness or support. It's because

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<v Speaker 3>they understand the why, and that's been a huge part

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<v Speaker 3>of the push to have these brothers not exonerated, but

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<v Speaker 3>at least allowed out based on the time they have

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<v Speaker 3>served for their crime.

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<v Speaker 2>We are incredibly proud is what the family says here

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<v Speaker 2>in their statement. We are incredibly proud of how Eric

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<v Speaker 2>and Lyle showed up with honesty, accountability, and integrity. We

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<v Speaker 2>know they are good men. Who have done the work

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<v Speaker 2>to rehabilitate and are remorseful. We love them unconditionally and

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<v Speaker 2>will continue to stand by them on the journey ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>That's man, that's you want a family like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And they said they're disappointed, but they're also not discouraged.

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<v Speaker 2>And they also know they have the options are dwindling,

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<v Speaker 2>but they still have options because of how this thing

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<v Speaker 2>works out their ropes. It wasn't just the parole board.

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<v Speaker 2>They can make a recommendation, but ultimately they are not

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<v Speaker 2>the ones who would spring them from jail.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, actually has two

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<v Speaker 3>different ways. He could not approve so Actually, in California,

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<v Speaker 3>the state law says that the governor has to approve,

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<v Speaker 3>basically ratify, so to speak, the parole board's decision, or

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<v Speaker 3>he can disapprove it. He can throw it out and

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<v Speaker 3>he could set the brothers free, or he could give

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<v Speaker 3>them paroles so to speak, so he could overturn the

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<v Speaker 3>recommendations of this parole board. He could also because the

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<v Speaker 3>brothers have put in a bid for clemency, so the

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<v Speaker 3>governor also has the ability to extend clemency to the brothers. However,

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<v Speaker 3>Most people point to the fact that it appears as

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<v Speaker 3>if Newsom will be running for president. Oh, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think that's and that might not bode well for him.

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<v Speaker 3>It certainly could be used against him. If we want

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<v Speaker 3>a president who's tough on crime, who's tough for us,

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<v Speaker 3>for America on national security, you really want that person

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<v Speaker 3>to have been someone who overturned or went against a

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<v Speaker 3>parole board's recommendation and let two double murderers out. So

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people say, because of his presidential aspirations,

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<v Speaker 3>it's highly unlikely he's going to do either of those

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<v Speaker 3>two things. So the other opportunity, with the other chances

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<v Speaker 3>their brothers have of getting out, is a new trial.

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<v Speaker 2>And they have made that request. Is that I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know the status of it. I don't know when they

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<v Speaker 2>are going to hear about their conviction being reviewed.

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<v Speaker 3>This is based on the new evidence. There is somebody

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<v Speaker 3>out there who was with a boy band who Manuda Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>who said that they were abused by the Menendez brother's father.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's some of the new evidence. And then there's

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<v Speaker 3>this letter that Lyle wrote to his cousin before the

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<v Speaker 3>murders happened about being sexually abused, so there is documentation

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<v Speaker 3>about the abuse and given their ages, so that is

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<v Speaker 3>part of the reason this new information, this new evidence

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<v Speaker 3>that could be that is the determining factress to whether

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<v Speaker 3>or not they would get a new trial.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why I just don't know the timeline on

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<v Speaker 2>that one. As far as Gavin Newsom goes, I think

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<v Speaker 2>what the pro war has decided, I think this part

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<v Speaker 2>of it is done.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's one hundred and twenty days. I think he

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<v Speaker 3>has to make a decision on whether or not he

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<v Speaker 3>approves it or disapproves.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of the Iowa caucuses.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew you were kidding, but yes, this has been

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<v Speaker 2>a heck of a journey and it's not over.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not by any.

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<v Speaker 2>Stretch, So so quickly appreciate you as always hanging with

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<v Speaker 2>us and trusting us to give you updates about all

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<v Speaker 2>that's going on and Robes.

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<v Speaker 1>Good to have you back, dere Letting.

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<v Speaker 3>Great to be back again. Thanks everyone for listening. We

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<v Speaker 3>hope you have a great rest of your weekend.