1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 2: It is Saturday, August twenty third, and actions speak louder 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 2: than words. We've been told that our whole lives. And 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: that's what Lyle Menindez was told yesterday, right before he 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 2: was denied parole, just like his brother the day before. 6 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 2: And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: TJ Special Guests today, Amy. That's funny, I'm king. 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 3: It was even funnier that you just called me Amy. 9 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: Well then, well I had to go with the welcome 10 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: to Amy and TJ, so I had to continue. 11 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 3: All right, you've never done that before. I'm just pointing out, but. 12 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: It was see why are we doing this? Hey, everybody 13 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 2: wall good things. She's back, huh uh. But no, I 14 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: have a lot of folks know. Robes has been out 15 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: the past few days since the podcast, dropping off a 16 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: kid at college in Boulder, But was very much Robes 17 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: while you were gone keeping an eye on this story. 18 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: And isn't it the case, Robes that you felt momentum 19 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: was on their side even for the past year plus, even. 20 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 3: Absolutely with all of the different hurdles that they've been 21 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 3: able to cross, so to speak, it felt like, yes, 22 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 3: they there was a consensus building and specifically the LA 23 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 3: District attorney before the elections. People seem to think that 24 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 3: they had served their time for their crime, given the 25 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 3: ages they were when they were committed. In addition to 26 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 3: new evidence that came up that showed a pattern of 27 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 3: abuse by the menandez brother's father, So there seemed to 28 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 3: be reasons for or at least an explanation, a motive 29 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 3: that was understandable, at least for perhaps why they did 30 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 3: what they did. And so, yes, I was surprised. I 31 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 3: was a little surprised. 32 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: That they were both correct. So I. 33 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: Think to your point, we have been watching Momentum Public 34 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: Momentum documentaries, New AffA, Davits, new Information. You had a 35 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: Daou there before he was kicked out. At least he 36 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: was one leading the rallying prize saying yeah, so all 37 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 2: of that, And then the parole hearing happened for Eric 38 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 2: on Thursday. And when I heard that, I said, that 39 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 2: makes perfect sense. When you hear a parole board, Y say, yes, 40 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: folks out there are considering a whole different set of 41 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: circumstances that we have to consider as a parole board. 42 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 2: When I hear the parole board say we don't even 43 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 2: we're not keeping you in prison because of what you 44 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: did to your parents, is because of who you've been 45 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: the past thirty years in prison, and despite what your 46 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: endorsers and some of your celebrity endorsers are saying, you 47 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: two have not been model prisoners. 48 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 3: And you know what's interesting. In Lyle's parole board hearing yesterday, 49 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 3: when they were talking to him about their decision, they 50 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: talked about how they understood that at least there was 51 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 3: an acknowledgment that perhaps part of the reason why they 52 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 3: behaved the way they did, which was explained as entitled 53 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 3: children basically behind bars, could have been because they had 54 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 3: no hope of getting out. They had been sentenced to 55 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 3: life in prison without the possibility of parole. It's only 56 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 3: been in recent months that they've now been eligible, or 57 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 3: even a month, right, how long has it been since 58 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 3: they were It was a may re sentenced because of 59 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 3: the ages they were at the time the crime was committed. 60 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 3: That they were resentenced, which ben made them eligible for parole. 61 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 3: So they finally got even a glimmer of hope that 62 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 3: they could get out actually through parole a few months ago. 63 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 3: So they acknowledged, we see that you perhaps felt like 64 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 3: you had no incentive to behave well, But that doesn't 65 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 3: matter because it's still reflective of who you are as 66 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 3: a person, and. 67 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: To that as well. 68 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: On the cell phone usage, this has been going on 69 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: a while and they knew that this might come up, 70 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: and they knew the DA last year was trying to 71 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: get them resentenced. The Lyle's most recent cell phone violation 72 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 2: was March of. 73 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 3: This year, right, and he had an explanation. Unlike his 74 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 3: brother Eric, he claims that because they do get privileges, 75 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 3: they do get phone privileges. I think through a tablet, 76 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 3: but obviously those conversations are monitored and documented, so there's 77 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 3: no privacy to them. And Lyle claims the reason why 78 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 3: he needed a cell phone was because his conversations were 79 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 3: being monitored and then part of what he was saying 80 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 3: was being leaked to tabloids, so he was using that 81 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 3: as an excuse. Hey, your prison guards or whoever's monitoring 82 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 3: these lines are actually betraying my privacy and selling what 83 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 3: I say to the tabloids. 84 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: And who would ever buy that? Who is sitting there 85 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: in your judgment, You just came up with an excuse. 86 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 2: It's our fault that you decided to break the rule. 87 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 3: That probably doesn't sit well. Now you should have just 88 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 3: said you're right, I'm sorry, and so. 89 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: Let's sell you exactly what did happen. Yes, folks, look, 90 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 2: we thought Eric's was a long day. This one was 91 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: even longer. An eleven hour. An eleven hour parole board hearing. 92 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 2: These things, folks will tell you, usually say two to 93 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 2: three hours, and even before Eric's on Thursday, that was 94 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 2: the prediction it might be three hours. And again we 95 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: remind you because of the rules out there. This is 96 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: a parole board hearing. This isn't an open court hearing. 97 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 2: There's no audio, there's no video, only one pool reporter, 98 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 2: and that pool reporter cannot disseminate information until the thing 99 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 2: is over. So we sat with zero information for eleven 100 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 2: hours waiting to hear what happened. So what happened. Yes, 101 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: they ultimately denied parole, denied parole for him, but he 102 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: is eligible for parole again in three years, but there 103 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,239 Speaker 2: is an administrative review that can take place in a year, 104 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: which could result then in him getting another parole board hearing, 105 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: sooner than that three years could happen. Ultimately, in eighteen months, 106 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 2: his brother Eric got the same deal as well. They're 107 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: going to have these administrative reviews, So why robes the 108 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 2: question is, and many of their reasons were the same 109 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 2: as Eric's for why they're telling him he can't. 110 00:05:59,279 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: Get out of prison. 111 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 3: A lot of the testimony, I say testimony, but a 112 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 3: lot of the questions directed at Lyle throughout the hearing 113 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 3: were at the abuse he suffered at the hands of 114 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 3: his father. They really went back as they did with 115 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 3: Eric and dissected the crime itself, the why, and really 116 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 3: trying to measure how sorry, truly sorry each brother was. 117 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 3: Now with Lyle, he actually said something that Eric did not, 118 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 3: and there were questions as to whether he learned or 119 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 3: maybe he even practiced beforehand, because Eric got hung up 120 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: when the parole board really went after him as to 121 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 3: why he had to or felt like he had to 122 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 3: kill his mother. If the abuse they suffered was at 123 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 3: the hands of his father, why then did the mother 124 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 3: have to die? And Eric really didn't have a good answer. 125 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 3: So Lyle came prepped and look, he had made these 126 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 3: accusations when he was being accused initially, but it was 127 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: never corroborated, and I don't believe it actually ended up 128 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 3: in trial but he said this on equivocally. He stated 129 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 3: it multiple times. He claimed at yesterday's par board hearing 130 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 3: that he was and they were sexually abused by their mother. 131 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 3: He said it happened at the age of thirteen, and 132 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 3: so he said he felt like he was consenting and 133 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 3: he was embarrassed about it, and that's why he said 134 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 3: he never told police about it initially because he felt 135 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 3: like he was consenting because of his age. 136 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: He even he's I think that surprised some of the 137 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,119 Speaker 2: folks on the pro board, and he had an entire 138 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 2: psychological evaluation in review. The question is, well, why didn't 139 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: you say this to somebody? Nobody asked and it sounded 140 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 2: like something now that I don't know, Why is this 141 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: coming up now? And what do you have an indication? 142 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 2: What exactly was the direct question that was asked that 143 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: prompted him to give this information. 144 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 3: I don't know, but it seemed as though it came 145 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 3: within the question of why did you kill your mother? 146 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 2: And this is but he's been asked why for a 147 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: long time. That's I mean, that's you've had thirty six 148 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: years to give this answer, and he gave it yesterday. 149 00:07:58,720 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: Again. 150 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm missing something. And this was 151 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: hinted at or in the past, but this was a 152 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: moment there, it seemed in the parole war here. 153 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 3: And it was a distinctive moment from when his brother 154 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 3: Eric was asked the same question. Eric made no mention 155 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:16,119 Speaker 3: of being sexually abused. Now Eric is younger than Lyle, 156 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 3: so we don't know where Eric stands on this, but 157 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 3: Lyle said they both were sexually abused. But he specifically 158 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 3: talked about his age and got into specifics that no 159 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 3: one had heard before. 160 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he spoke. 161 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: It was almost like he was sympathetic to his mother 162 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 2: and his answer it sounded like he said she was 163 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: with a fear that she had in some way as 164 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 2: well in things he was trying to understand about her 165 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: background and her upbringing. 166 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: That. So, yeah, this was all he got. 167 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 2: Complex and a mess and a family mess and just 168 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: a tragedy from start to finish. 169 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 3: It really the darkness and the dark It just was 170 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 3: really and he talked. He got really specific about his 171 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 3: father's abuse and saying it happened at a very young age. 172 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 3: And he said that when it ended, when he told 173 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 3: or asked to sleep in his nieces or sorry, his 174 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 3: it was his cousin's room, his niece's room, some other 175 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 3: female relative's room, because he said, my dad touches me, 176 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 3: and so he told a relative. He said, once he 177 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: told a relative, it never happened again. But then he 178 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 3: said he felt a loss that his dad didn't love 179 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 3: him as much, or that somehow he wasn't his special 180 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 3: son or his special boy that his father called him. 181 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 3: So he felt rejected and all the complexities that come 182 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 3: with that. So he really got into a lot of 183 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 3: his psychological the impact on him and what he was 184 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 3: thinking at the time and how it affected him. 185 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people can be sympathetic 186 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 2: to a certain degree about that. But what the parole 187 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: board is having to deal with really is what rehabilitation 188 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: and your past behavior and how likely we have to 189 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: make a decision to put you back out on the streets, 190 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: to recommend if the governor is going to put you 191 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 2: back out in the streets, you just have to take 192 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 2: what kind of risk is this person? And they keep 193 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: talking rogues about your if you cannot follow the rules 194 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 2: in here, we have like zero faith in you doing 195 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 2: it out in society. 196 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 3: And the examples they have leading up and in the 197 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 3: days and weeks after their parents' death was nothing but 198 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 3: lies and spending like copious amounts of cash after their 199 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 3: parents were brutally murdered by them knowing that they had 200 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 3: been cut off earlier for whatever reason financially, so they 201 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 3: were struggling financially. So there are all of these like, yes, 202 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 3: this all sounds and could be true about this abuse, 203 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 3: of course, but it doesn't excuse the way you behaved 204 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 3: leading up to and certainly in the days and weeks 205 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 3: after your parents' death, and then all of the lies. 206 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:52,359 Speaker 3: Lyle was the one who like repeatedly lied to detectives 207 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 3: and investigators, And so they said, if you have a 208 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 3: history and a pattern of deceit, how can we trust you? 209 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: Now? 210 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 2: You know, they has some pretty strong words for the 211 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 2: Lyle characteristics of anti social personality traits like deception, minimization, 212 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 2: and rule breaking that lie beneath that positive surface. I mean, 213 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: they spoke of him like a guy like you're going 214 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 2: and teaching a class and telling people how to be 215 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: good citizens in here and then leave them and go 216 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: back to your cell and continue a pattern of violating rules. 217 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: Wasn't there a six year stretch? They said he had 218 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 2: a cell phone, yes, the whole like he was breaking rules, 219 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: not on a one off for this, or that he 220 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: was a repeat violator. 221 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 3: Yep, of the rules. Yes. And it's interesting because they 222 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 3: did say that they found that his remorse was genuine, 223 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 3: so they did give him that nod. And there was 224 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 3: a different tone in how they talked to Lyle versus 225 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 3: how they talked to Eric. It's almost like they wanted 226 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 3: to believe him and they were encouraging him to be 227 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 3: the person he appears to be. But there was also 228 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 3: this acknowledgement that that all could be a mask of 229 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 3: deception and they just weren't sure who the real Lyle was. 230 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 3: I mean, the parole commissioner specifically told him, don't ever 231 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 3: not have hope. This denial isn't the end. But I 232 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 3: thought it was interesting that she said, this is a 233 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 3: way for you to spend some time to demonstrate to 234 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 3: practice what you preach, who you are and who you 235 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 3: want to be. And notably she said, don't be somebody 236 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 3: different behind closed doors. 237 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: See I don't know. 238 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 2: I mean, if he knows he has a possibility for 239 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 2: review in a year, he is what knitting Christmas sweaters 240 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: for all the staff, right? Now, why wouldn't he he's 241 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 2: the best. Obviously he's gonna be on his best behavior. 242 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 2: So how if this is a guy that you're already 243 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 2: saying has a history of deception and manipulation, and isn't 244 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 2: he just gonna go do. 245 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: What he has to do? 246 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 3: But oddly it seemed as though they were telling him, Hey, 247 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 3: they were dangling a carrot. Just be good for a year, 248 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 3: you'll be up for review, and then you can get 249 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 3: out in a year and a half. I thought that 250 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: was interesting. 251 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 1: We just don't want this to be on us. 252 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 2: Kind of that's wild. But still, after all of this, 253 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 2: he's been denied, his brother has been denied. But would 254 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: you believe he still has a chance to get out 255 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: of prison, even immediately? And the power to do that 256 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 2: lies in one man in Sacramento. 257 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 3: Welcome back, everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ, 258 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 3: where we are talking about Lyle Menendez. His parole has 259 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 3: been denied, despite the Parole Board acknowledging they believed his 260 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 3: remorse was genuine. We heard from Lyle directly yesterday, with 261 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 3: tears in his eyes, saying, my life has been defined 262 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 3: by extreme violence. I wanted to be defined by something else. 263 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 3: He said, I am so sorry to everyone and I 264 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 3: will be forever sorry. And the commissioner said, we believe you. 265 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 2: Did I see as well? He spoke of he's a 266 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: big brother like he Yes, he led this and spoke 267 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: of I hadn't seen that anywhere before. Actually that he 268 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 2: almost felt bad as a big brother for letting down. 269 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: His little brother. 270 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 3: And he talked about the violence that he saw his 271 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 3: brother and dure at the hands of both his mother 272 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 3: and his father, and felt very defensive in that regard 273 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 3: for not being able to protect him and the family. 274 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: Again, I think it was he had a dozen or 275 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: so folks speaking there for him, family and friends, mostly family. 276 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 2: But they have been very supportive of both of these men. Now, 277 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 2: I haven't been pushing for them to get out of prison. 278 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 2: They put out a statement after Eric was denying, saying 279 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 2: they were hopeful for what was going to happen with Lyle. 280 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 2: Obviously it didn't go that way for Lyle, but they 281 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: spoke again Roams and this is for me still extraordinary, 282 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: this family that is speaking their family members were murdered 283 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 2: and they are pushing for the murderers to be let 284 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 2: out of prison. Yes, I know their family members as well, 285 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 2: but this has just been extraordinary. 286 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 3: Hey, there was only one family member that I can 287 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 3: think of who had publicly been against the brothers ever 288 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 3: being released, and that was their mother, Kitty's brother. Well, 289 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 3: he passed away earlier this year. So the only dissenter 290 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 3: from the Menendez family has passed on. And so it 291 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 3: appears that every living member of their families is in 292 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 3: support of them coming home. And one of them older 293 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 3: and aging and cancer, Yeah, has cancer and said I 294 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 3: want to be able to spend time with my family 295 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 3: before I passed, you. 296 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: Know, And I just remember this. I wish I could 297 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: give him credit for a prosecutor. I spoke about this 298 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 2: in a previous episode. I just someone who was a 299 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: federal prosecutor said, in all of my days in this career, 300 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 2: I have never been to a parole hearing with a 301 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 2: family of the person murdered is pushing for the murderer 302 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 2: to get out of prison. Said, never ever have I 303 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 2: seen that. I know it's a family connection here, but 304 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 2: it's still extraordinary to see how supportive they are and 305 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 2: how much they're pushing it. 306 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 3: Is I mean, if you think about it, because people say, oh, yeah, 307 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 3: well they're family too, but no, imagine if your brother, 308 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 3: if your sister was murdered by their children. That doesn't 309 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 3: mean you necessarily are praising or supporting their children. You're 310 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 3: probably pretty damn pissed at your niece or your name. 311 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 2: We see this all the time on all the true 312 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 2: crime absolutely absolute parents and whatever, they will break down 313 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 2: a relationship based on somesh like this. 314 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 3: Especially when you're talking cousins and Anne's there's not it's right, 315 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 3: it's a little bit removed, and so yes, if you 316 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 3: took away another beloved family member, yes, So it just 317 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 3: shows that there's at least some understanding, it appears from 318 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 3: the family members as to why, Because if there wasn't 319 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 3: a good answer for the why, I don't think there'd 320 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 3: ever be this level of forgiveness or support. It's because 321 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 3: they understand the why, and that's been a huge part 322 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 3: of the push to have these brothers not exonerated, but 323 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 3: at least allowed out based on the time they have 324 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 3: served for their crime. 325 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: We are incredibly proud is what the family says here 326 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 2: in their statement. We are incredibly proud of how Eric 327 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 2: and Lyle showed up with honesty, accountability, and integrity. We 328 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 2: know they are good men. Who have done the work 329 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 2: to rehabilitate and are remorseful. We love them unconditionally and 330 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: will continue to stand by them on the journey ahead. 331 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 2: That's man, that's you want a family like that. 332 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, And they said they're disappointed, but they're also not discouraged. 333 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: And they also know they have the options are dwindling, 334 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 2: but they still have options because of how this thing 335 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 2: works out their ropes. It wasn't just the parole board. 336 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 2: They can make a recommendation, but ultimately they are not 337 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 2: the ones who would spring them from jail. 338 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 3: Yes, Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, actually has two 339 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 3: different ways. He could not approve so Actually, in California, 340 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 3: the state law says that the governor has to approve, 341 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 3: basically ratify, so to speak, the parole board's decision, or 342 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 3: he can disapprove it. He can throw it out and 343 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 3: he could set the brothers free, or he could give 344 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 3: them paroles so to speak, so he could overturn the 345 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 3: recommendations of this parole board. He could also because the 346 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 3: brothers have put in a bid for clemency, so the 347 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 3: governor also has the ability to extend clemency to the brothers. However, 348 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 3: Most people point to the fact that it appears as 349 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 3: if Newsom will be running for president. Oh, I don't 350 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 3: think that's and that might not bode well for him. 351 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 3: It certainly could be used against him. If we want 352 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 3: a president who's tough on crime, who's tough for us, 353 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 3: for America on national security, you really want that person 354 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 3: to have been someone who overturned or went against a 355 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 3: parole board's recommendation and let two double murderers out. So 356 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 3: a lot of people say, because of his presidential aspirations, 357 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 3: it's highly unlikely he's going to do either of those 358 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 3: two things. So the other opportunity, with the other chances 359 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 3: their brothers have of getting out, is a new trial. 360 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 2: And they have made that request. Is that I don't 361 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 2: know the status of it. I don't know when they 362 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 2: are going to hear about their conviction being reviewed. 363 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 3: This is based on the new evidence. There is somebody 364 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 3: out there who was with a boy band who Manuda Yes, 365 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 3: who said that they were abused by the Menendez brother's father. 366 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 3: So that's some of the new evidence. And then there's 367 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 3: this letter that Lyle wrote to his cousin before the 368 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 3: murders happened about being sexually abused, so there is documentation 369 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,479 Speaker 3: about the abuse and given their ages, so that is 370 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 3: part of the reason this new information, this new evidence 371 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 3: that could be that is the determining factress to whether 372 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 3: or not they would get a new trial. 373 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 2: And that's why I just don't know the timeline on 374 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 2: that one. As far as Gavin Newsom goes, I think 375 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 2: what the pro war has decided, I think this part 376 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 2: of it is done. 377 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's one hundred and twenty days. I think he 378 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 3: has to make a decision on whether or not he 379 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 3: approves it or disapproves. 380 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: It's one of the Iowa caucuses. 381 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 2: I knew you were kidding, but yes, this has been 382 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 2: a heck of a journey and it's not over. 383 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: It is not by any. 384 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 2: Stretch, So so quickly appreciate you as always hanging with 385 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 2: us and trusting us to give you updates about all 386 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 2: that's going on and Robes. 387 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: Good to have you back, dere Letting. 388 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 3: Great to be back again. Thanks everyone for listening. We 389 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 3: hope you have a great rest of your weekend.