1 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Welcome inside, Inside, inside, and inside with the insiders. Tom 2 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: Pellisero there in Minnesota. Ian Rappaport in his basement, Judy 3 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: Batista in her apartment. 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 2: I am in the home office as well. 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: It is Monday, December sixteenth. We are wrapping up Week 6 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: fifteen in the NFL. 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: It was an exciting week. It was a developmental week. 8 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: A lot of things happen, a lot of playoff berths 9 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: and the like were clinched. The Vikings in with that 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: Seattle loss on Sunday night. Tom, if they don't know 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: about it, turn around and let them know. They got 12 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: in without even having to play last night. But they've 13 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: got bigger fish to fry and they want to go 14 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: after that one seat if they possibly can. To keep 15 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: the heat on the Lions who are leaking oil a 16 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: little bit. We'll talk about that coming up here. The 17 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: Texans clinching a playoff berth with that win over the Dolphins, 18 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: and the Steelers clinch a playoff birth, although they left 19 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: Philadelphia with a bad taste in their mouth once again 20 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: not being able to win in that city. So the 21 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: playoffs are starting to formulate here. We looked at the 22 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: wild Cards a couple of weeks ago and said they're 23 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: almost kind of sort of finalized, but there's still some 24 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: jockeying for position with those divisions. Tom, We're going to 25 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: start with you get us ready for this game tonight 26 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: in Minnesota between the Vikings and the Bears. 27 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 3: The Vikings got in last night, as you mentioned by 28 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 3: virtue of the Seahawks loss, but a bigger result for 29 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 3: them was earlier in the day when the Lions lose 30 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 3: to the Bills. Because all of a sudden, now this 31 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 3: takes them from hey, they could you be able to 32 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 3: go and run the rest of the way and still 33 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 3: end up going on the road to a playoff game. Now, 34 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 3: because they've got the Lions in week eighteen, they've got 35 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 3: the opportunity here to end up with the number one 36 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 3: overall scene and certainly asion division title and a home 37 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 3: playoff game. 38 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 4: The Eagles are still in that mix as well. 39 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 3: The whole NFC wide open as we get the referee 40 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 3: mic check better do that for over four hours before kickoff. 41 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 3: So Vikings Bears tonight, they got to take care of business. 42 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 3: It is a winter white out game here, so you 43 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 3: can see it. You can kind of see behind me. 44 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 3: They got the white towels everywhere. This is also you 45 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 3: remember back in the spring when like every week somebody 46 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 3: who put out a team to put out another new 47 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 3: alternate uniform. The Vikings Winter Warriors ones were by far, 48 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 3: in my opinion, the best alternate uniforms. A look at this, 49 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 3: thanks to Vikings pr for bringing these out. 50 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: Look at this. 51 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 4: That's cool, white, white. 52 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 3: All the way around, very slick. We even got a 53 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 3: we got Justin Jefferson's jersey here too. They said, I 54 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 3: don't have to give it back, but then what's he 55 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 3: gonna wear in the game? 56 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 4: Right? 57 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 5: You know? 58 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 3: It's a pretty cool, so it be a different look 59 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 3: for the Vikings. We normally are wearing purple in this building. 60 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 3: Bears team that obviously this season is not gone the 61 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 3: direction that they wanted to go to this point, but 62 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 3: big opportunity on a national stage for Thomas Brown on 63 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 3: for Caleb Williams. Also a couple of injury updates real quick. 64 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 3: DeAndre Swift listed as questionable. I'm told he should be 65 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 3: good to go in this game. Stefan Gilmour, the Vikings 66 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 3: veteran cornerback, sounds like he is not going to go. 67 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 3: If this were a playoff game. They probably play him, 68 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 3: but he's dealing with a hamstring. They're probably gonna hold 69 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 3: him out for a second straight game. 70 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 2: Here, Tom, you it's thirty eight ish degrees. 71 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: I think I saw thirty thirty nine something like that 72 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis right now. 73 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: But to be able to cover a. 74 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: Game inside, you gotta love the luxury of that, when 75 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 1: you've got a home game there in your hometown of Minneapolis. 76 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: There walking into the Yeah, it's good, dude, I was 77 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: freezing yesterday. 78 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: I've got jets on Sunday. 79 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: It's gonna be like twenty degrees at the feels like 80 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: temperature at the start of the show. 81 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: I'm just I'm soft. I can't take it anymore. So 82 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: enjoy that warm indoor climate. Ian. 83 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: We talked about everything that happened here in week fifteen, 84 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: the comings and the goings and the developments. Injuries a 85 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: huge part of it. We're gonna get into all of them. 86 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: Let's start with the biggest one. Patrick Mahomes once again 87 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: with the I mean the laugh about it. He always 88 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: got this like late season thing where you go, oh, yeah, 89 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: he's gonna miss a couple of weeks, and then all 90 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: of a sudden, now he's got a shot to play immediately. 91 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: He's got a power his way through and maybe play 92 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: better than you could ever. 93 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: Expect them to play. What do we got on Mahomes? 94 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, so this, first of all, I'll start with the 95 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 6: do is Patrick Mahomes has a high ankle sprain. He 96 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 6: is considered to be weak to weak, and I would 97 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 6: describe it as a moderate slash mild high ankle sprain. 98 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 6: So certainly not something that's gonna say oar. 99 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 5: But he's going to be out. 100 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,799 Speaker 6: Four to six weeks, which you know we are accustomed 101 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 6: to high ankle sprain's basically being four to six weeks. 102 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 6: This does not seem to be the case here. He 103 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 6: has no fracture and he might actually practice this week. 104 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 6: And that's what I was told was Mahomes needs to 105 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 6: see how it responds during practice. Okay, so that's one thing. 106 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 6: The other thing is we have actually seen this before. 107 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:45,679 Speaker 6: We have seen Patrick Mahomes play through a high ankle sprain. 108 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,799 Speaker 6: We've seen Patrick Mahomes play through a high ankle sprain 109 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 6: that he suffered against the Jacksonville Jaguars and played the 110 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,679 Speaker 6: next week. My understanding is this is not as bad 111 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 6: as that. So theoretically, Patrick Mahomes could play this week 112 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 6: if need. However, it is a short week, they're not 113 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 6: in the playoffs, and you know they got a short 114 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 6: week after this. So my sense right now is that 115 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 6: it's more likely that Carson Wentz plays than Patrick Mahomes. 116 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 5: That is my sense. But we will see where this 117 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 5: leads us. 118 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 6: But I think the most important thing I learned in 119 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 6: all of these things is the text I got where 120 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 6: it was like, long term, he's fine, that's it, That's 121 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 6: what it's like. 122 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 5: Now, long term he's vile, which meets for the playoffs, 123 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 5: he's fine. 124 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 6: Oh sorry, is my fault, I should have said Judy. 125 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 6: At the end of the day, I was busy telling 126 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 6: Jude what his homework was from Google. 127 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 7: Close Jude, Judy whatever. The reason why all of this 128 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 7: is important, obviously, is because of the number one seed 129 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 7: is now sort of in play if Mahomes can't go 130 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 7: or it's compromised and he does play, because the Bills 131 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 7: are rolling obviously they beat the Lions yesterday. Here are 132 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 7: the schedules. Keep in mind the Chiefs are still two 133 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 7: games up on the Bills, but the Bills beat the 134 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 7: Chiefs earlier this season, so they would hold the head 135 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 7: to head tiebreaker, so if they finished the season with 136 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 7: the same record, the Bills have the number one seed. 137 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 7: Here's the comparison of schedules, and yikes, Chiefs have Texans, Steelers, 138 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 7: and Broncos, so not easy the Bills have. I mean, 139 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 7: it's practically a preseason like schedule Patriots, Jets, and Patriots again, 140 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 7: so it's hard to envision the Bills losing another game, 141 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 7: and you could certainly envision, especially if Mahomes is not playing, 142 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 7: you could certainly envision the Chiefs not playing. Of course, 143 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 7: home field advantage for the Chiefs. I don't even know 144 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 7: if it matters anymore after we saw what they did 145 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 7: last year when they won the Super Bowl, but it 146 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 7: is an interesting talking point, especially for Bills fans who 147 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 7: obviously would love love to have the playoffs go through. 148 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 6: Look at this remaining strength of schedule from Blaker researcher 149 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 6: point two three to eight. Opponent's strength of schedule or no, 150 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 6: I'm sorry, that's opponents winning percent for the Bills. You know, 151 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 6: anything can happen in the NFL, but you know that's 152 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 6: pretty good. 153 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, high prediction. 154 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 3: I can't sit here and tell you on a Monday 155 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 3: afternoon as I have the drum line, give the soundtrack here. 156 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 4: I can't predict. 157 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 3: What you know is Patrick Maholve's going to be able 158 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 3: to play, But I would would I would predict this. 159 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 3: He is going to try to play high ankle springs. 160 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 3: As we saw its with Justin Herbert earlier this season. 161 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 3: It is an injury that you can play through and 162 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 3: it's going to continue to heal. You're not gonna be yourself, 163 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 3: You're not gonna be able to move around as well. 164 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 3: But we've seen Patrick Maholmes with all kinds of crazy 165 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 3: injury stuff. He's obviously had an ankle through the course 166 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: of this season. If he's got a way to spat 167 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 3: the thing up and get out there and just be 168 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 3: a pocket passer, I think that he's gonna do that. 169 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 3: You can pretty well put away the number one seed 170 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 3: if you get a win this week, and then maybe 171 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 3: you have a week or two to rest on the 172 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 3: back end of it, because they're still up in the 173 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 3: you know, in terms of the loss column right now. 174 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 3: So again, I don't know whether or not Patrick Mahomes 175 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 3: is going to play. You know, most guys get bent 176 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 3: like that and you're like, see you in a month. 177 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 3: This is a guy who doesn't miss games. He's got 178 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 3: I think Andy Reid once said he's got the loosest 179 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 3: ligaments in the NFL. 180 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 4: Like it's true. There's something about him. 181 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 5: Would they say Gumby is healing. 182 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 3: Power and his ability to get bent in different ways 183 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 3: and come back is remarkable. I wouldn't be surprised at 184 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 3: all if I don't know exactly what the practice schedule is, 185 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 3: but if they're on the practice field tomorrow, I wouldn't 186 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 3: be surprised. If Mahomes is out there with like all 187 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 3: the tape in the world on his ankle and it's 188 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 3: just kind of limping around, You're like, there's no way 189 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 3: he can do it, and then comes Saturday, all of 190 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 3: a sudden, there he is. 191 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: You know, it's part natural what he does, part natural 192 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: ability and flexibility. 193 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: It's also something that he works at. 194 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: And if you didn't watch The Quarterback Show, there was 195 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: one episode in particular where he showed everything he does 196 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: to avoid injuries and to be able to bounce back 197 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: from injuries, his workout regime during the core of the 198 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: week that allows him to do these things, and this 199 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: is where you see it really start the show. 200 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: As for Carson Wentz. 201 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: I was just thumbing through Instagram earlier today and I 202 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: saw his post a post ao one audience of one. 203 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:13,239 Speaker 2: That's his long time. 204 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: Catch phraser or whatever you want to call it regarding 205 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: an audience of one, And there's one. 206 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 2: The one is up there. He's upstairs. 207 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: That's who he plays for, that's who he does everything for. 208 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: And it was a picture of him playing in the 209 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: game yesterday, So you know, he's excited about potentially being back. 210 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: I know he was a punchline at one point with 211 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: all the turnovers and the fact that he seemed to 212 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: be in his own head. But he played well last 213 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: year and in the playing time that he got for 214 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: the Rams last year, which allowed him to set himself 215 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: up to be the primary backup to Patrick Mahomes in 216 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: the case the Chiefs would need him, we may very 217 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: well be there. 218 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: You know who needs their backups? The Detroit Lions. 219 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: We're going to bring in Stacey Dale's right now. I 220 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: think this is the first Penta box, if you want 221 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: to call that, in the history of the Monday Insiders. 222 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: Stace and there's no one we would rather don't tell 223 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: anybody else. You know, I've already started to say, there's 224 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: no one we would rather join us for the Penta 225 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: box than you. Stacy Dale's uh Ian, give me the 226 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: rundown of everything we got on the Lions injuries today. 227 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: So that yeah, all of them, well whatever you scooped 228 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: earlier today and just the whole. 229 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 4: In this segment. So I don't know if you're gonna 230 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 4: get my God, all right. 231 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 6: So we'll start with David Montgomery. This is a this 232 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 6: is a bad one, and this is also, I would 233 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 6: say a surprising one. So David Montgomery had a knee 234 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 6: injury yesterday. He came off the field, he finished the game, 235 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 6: he went into the locker room and learned that things 236 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 6: were really bad. So he has a torn MCL. Rarely 237 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 6: do you have a torn MCL. You know, Usually what 238 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 6: it is is a spray in MCL where it's like, 239 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 6: all right, two weeks or maybe four weeks. 240 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 5: This is a torn one. 241 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 6: It's basically the worst type of spray. It's it's not 242 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 6: a good injury. He is going to need surgery. He 243 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 6: is out for the season and the foreseeable future for 244 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 6: one of the best running backs in the NFL and 245 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 6: someone who's a guest on the insiders who we really like. 246 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 5: This sucks. This is a bad one. 247 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 6: Ali McNeil, their big time, big money defensive lineman. Alie 248 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 6: McNeil is also out for the season where they torn 249 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 6: acl This confirmed this morning. This also is a terrible 250 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 6: injury because he also is a great player. Carlton Davis, 251 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 6: a corner broke his jaw. 252 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 5: Now he is out. 253 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 6: My understanding is at least six weeks, which put you 254 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 6: at the NFC title game. 255 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 5: Will he play? 256 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 6: I don't know that's tight, but at least Stacy Dale's 257 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 6: it is possible. So just tell us how in the 258 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 6: absolute world the Lions are going to go from here. 259 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 8: You know, it's interesting you asked that question. 260 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 7: Ian. 261 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 9: Hey, guys, it was great to see Judy at the 262 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 9: game too. 263 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 8: We had a nice Yeah, we got to hang out. 264 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 5: That was cool. 265 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 9: I actually asked somebody in the press box before the 266 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 9: game with the Lions in their personnel department, how have 267 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 9: you guys just obviously done some great patchwork and you've 268 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 9: had to do great patchwork? And he said, coaching period. 269 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 9: Now here's the thing. Yes, they have great coaching. We 270 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 9: know they have great coaching. Aaron Glenn has you know 271 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 9: this group basically ranked in the top ten in a 272 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 9: number of categories defensively, but how far can coaching now 273 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 9: take you defensively? They're in a query And I found 274 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 9: very interesting you guys this week. And you know, every 275 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 9: team's a little bit different, but I thought it was 276 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 9: interesting that Dan Campbell opted to go to pads at 277 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 9: practice this week because of this stage in the season. 278 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 8: He wanted to get his guys back to fundamentals. 279 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 9: They felt like the games they've been winning, they found 280 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 9: ways to win, but they were close games and they 281 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 9: could do better. So they went back into pads this week, 282 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 9: and shoot, they're not going to be able to go 283 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 9: with pads moving forward with the number of guys that 284 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 9: are down. Allen McNeil is huge because he's become kind 285 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 9: of the heart and soul of their defensive front, and 286 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 9: as you guys know, he's a very emotional player. He 287 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 9: kind of drives that thing up front for Aaron Glenn. 288 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 9: But their secondary, I'm looking at their roster right now. 289 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 9: This is an injury to Carlton Davis, who's had just 290 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 9: an incredibly good season for them, and what a guy 291 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 9: to learn from if you're Terry on Arnold. So I 292 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 9: just they play so much man to man defense, you guys, 293 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 9: it's it's really going to be challenging for them. And 294 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 9: you could kind of feel them get bullied all day yesterday. 295 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 9: That's how it fell, right, Judy. 296 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 7: Yeah, it did it really it felt from the very 297 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 7: beginning that they could not keep up with the Bills, right. 298 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 7: I mean, first of all, the Bills got out to 299 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 7: the fourteen nothing start, But just in that first drive 300 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 7: on that third down that Josh Allen converted right where 301 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 7: he like was avoiding pressure and escaped to his right 302 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 7: and like was waving and waving and waiting and waiting 303 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 7: and stopped like you know, one foot inside the boundary 304 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 7: and then pot the like they just could not contain him. 305 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 7: They couldn't pin him in. They were getting no pressure 306 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 7: on him. I mean, my feeling at the end of 307 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 7: the game. Dan Campbell sort of said it himself, is like, 308 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 7: you know, they now know how they measure up against, like, 309 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 7: you know, one of the best, if not the best 310 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 7: team in the AFC right now, and it's not good enough. 311 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 7: And I mean that was what like Stacy and I 312 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 7: were talking about it in the press box, that like 313 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 7: they had enough. Aaron Glenn was able to piece things 314 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 7: together and to hold things together with duct tape, and 315 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 7: that's enough to beat most teams. Because the offense is 316 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 7: so good they can win shootouts. It's is it going 317 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 7: to be good enough though, when you're playing the absolute 318 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 7: top teams in the NFL, which is what they want 319 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 7: to do because this is a Super Bowl team or 320 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 7: hasban until this incredible wave of injuries. I mean, I 321 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 7: watching it yesterday, I don't think they can stay with 322 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 7: the Bills again if they face them again, or the Chiefs, 323 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 7: and you wonder if they could stay with the Eagles, 324 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 7: you know who I have not been as explosive as 325 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 7: the Bills, certainly, but have ways to win. 326 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 9: You know. 327 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 7: It was it was disheartening watching the Lions and then 328 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 7: watching even more injuries happen yesterday. 329 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 4: We we talked about it. 330 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 3: I think a couple of weeks ago too, when they 331 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 3: you know, they had a slew of injuries. They signed 332 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 3: a bunch of guys off other teams practice squads and 333 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 3: had to roll them out and play. Uh hold on, 334 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 3: just come back, come back. 335 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 4: To me. 336 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 7: European. 337 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 5: Uh Tom, you're good now? You have no sound? Can 338 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 5: you can talk to us? Right? 339 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 4: It's so loud. 340 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 5: I don't. 341 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 4: I just don't know. Yeah, you guys, go on, all. 342 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 5: Right, I'm good, Mike, take it away. 343 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, No, it's it's it's just it's hard to 344 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: judy you're talking about it being disheartening because we've we've 345 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: gotten to know this Lions team and what we expect 346 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: to see from them on the field, and to not 347 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: be able to see it for reasons out of their control. 348 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: It's not like they just all of a sudden lost 349 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: that edge or maybe you know, going through the motions 350 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: or the things that we don't expect from them, but 351 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: to see it happen because of injuries has just been extremely, 352 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: extremely frustrating. 353 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: Stace. 354 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: You know, you look at the other side of this 355 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: game with the Buffalo Bills and the way I thought 356 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: that was an impressive performance by the Bills. I thought 357 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: that was a trouble spot for Buffalo. 358 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 2: So the way that they. 359 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: Go in there to Detroit and really dictated things from 360 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: the beginning I thought was what they absolutely had to do. 361 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: They're scoring touchdowns, it wasn't field goals. And the way 362 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: that this game started off early on, I'm saying, well, 363 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: eventually Detroit's gonna pop back and it's gonna like they 364 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: just never got there. 365 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: It was impressive by Buffalo. 366 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 9: Well, I mean, as we talked about on the press box, 367 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 9: Mike Judy and I like, we're obviously talking about these 368 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 9: lines injury, but the story of the game was Josh Allen. 369 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 9: I mean, what he's doing is it's really unprecedented. I mean, 370 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 9: is it how many straight games with thirty points for 371 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 9: this offense? 372 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 8: Eight? 373 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 9: Yes, and we're talking, we're we really have to assess 374 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 9: MVP conversations surrounding this quarterback right now because he has 375 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 9: three straight games with fourteen combined touchdowns. The only two 376 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 9: other players to have fourteen or more are Tom Brady 377 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 9: and Peyton Manning. And in the seasons both of those 378 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 9: men did those I believe they were the MVP right 379 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 9: it was. 380 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,239 Speaker 8: I think I wrote it down. I took it out 381 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 8: of our research. 382 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 9: Tom was in twenty oh seven was sixteen and Peyton 383 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 9: was in twenty oh four with fifteen, and they were 384 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 9: the most valuable players what I witnessed yesterday. And this 385 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 9: is where too, like it's exposed Aiden Hutchinson. If you 386 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 9: don't have like going into the playoffs and Aiden Hutchinson 387 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 9: on your defensive front, it's going to be hard to 388 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 9: stop an MVP caliber quarterback or a quarterback going into 389 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 9: the playoffs who's playing football, right, So I just think 390 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 9: that was exposed for me, and then Josh Allen is on. 391 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 8: Another level right now. 392 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,239 Speaker 9: What I'm kind of curious about with Buffalo, you guys, is, 393 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 9: as I say that about Josh and the offense is 394 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 9: playing the way it is, they've given up too straight 395 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 9: forty three point per game performances defensively. I was standing 396 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 9: with them before I interviewed James cook right at the 397 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 9: end of the game, and they were so pissed when 398 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 9: the Lions scored with like twelve seconds to go. They 399 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 9: were it's their sideline. Was furious that that the Lions scored. 400 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 5: I was like Cooking, I was very annoying. 401 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 9: It was very annoying, And like, so is that because 402 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 9: of the Is that because it was Matthew Stafford and 403 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 9: Jared Goff Or is it is it because the secondary 404 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 9: is so banged up? But I'd like to see Buffalo 405 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 9: kind of tighten things up defensively a little bit, which 406 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 9: they can because this schedule. 407 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 7: Duty talked about, well, I think we're missing three starters 408 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 7: in the secondary. Yesterday, right which at the outset of 409 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 7: the game, you thought, whoa, this could be a big factor, 410 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 7: and then you realized right away it's not going to 411 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 7: be as big a factor as the fact that the 412 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 7: Lions cannot get a stop at all. Look, the Bills 413 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 7: have beaten both of the number one seeds in the 414 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 7: space of a month, one at home the Chiefs, which 415 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 7: was good. Beating the Lions, even an injured Lions team 416 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 7: on the road in that atmosphere is pretty impressive. I 417 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 7: was struck when they beat the Chiefs at home. They 418 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 7: were I thought very straight line about, like it's all 419 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 7: about January. This is nice, but we've got to beat 420 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 7: them in January. This they seemed a little bit more 421 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 7: excited about, like it meant something to them, especially coming 422 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,479 Speaker 7: off the Rams game, to be able to refocus and 423 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 7: put on that kind of performance on the road against 424 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 7: a very very good team and win a shootout right 425 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 7: after losing a shootout last week. So I think they 426 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 7: felt really good about this. And again, the schedule just 427 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 7: is so so there for the taking for the last 428 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 7: three weeks. They are in a very very good position 429 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 7: and they are playing I think their best ball because 430 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 7: Josh Allen is spreading the ball all over the place. 431 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 7: There's no Stephan Diggs that he's got to look to 432 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 7: to try to get the ball. He's spreading the ball. 433 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 7: I think he completed passes to nine guys yesterday. Obviously 434 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 7: they're running the ball really well. It's really a balanced attack. 435 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 7: They can win a shootout if they have to. They 436 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 7: don't want to have to play every game as a shootout, 437 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 7: but you saw yesterday they can win them. 438 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's kind of what I want to talk about. 439 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 6: Was the you know, we came into the season knowing 440 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 6: it was going to be a rebuilding year, for rebuilding 441 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 6: year for the Buffalo Bills. They lose to Von Diggs 442 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 6: and all that. I think what we mee but also 443 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 6: we collectively missed, was how much it would help Josh 444 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 6: Allen to just be able to throw to who's open. 445 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,719 Speaker 6: And this is like kind of weird, but come with 446 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 6: me on this. I remember when the Cowboys had a 447 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:00,239 Speaker 6: really good young quarterback in Dak Prescott, and we're all 448 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 6: trying to figure out what was going to happen with 449 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 6: Dez Bryant and would the Cowboys bring back des Brian 450 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 6: Edward do salary and what they did. 451 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 5: Was they cut him. And I was like stunned. I 452 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 5: remember I was on the golf course. I was stunned. 453 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 6: And the explanation was, it's not that we have better 454 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 6: receivers than des It's that the pull of a young 455 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 6: quarterback from a veteran receiver to have to throw in 456 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 6: the ball all the time can be something that can 457 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 6: really be like detrimental and can stunt the growth. And 458 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 6: I think the Bills saw that with Stefan Diggs. They 459 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 6: saw that with Josh Allen, and they traded him and they, 460 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 6: you know, gave him a bunch of receivers who were 461 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 6: also good, but probably not as good, and it has 462 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 6: helped immensely. 463 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 5: He just throws to the open guy, or he just 464 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,959 Speaker 5: throws to the open running back or whatever it is. 465 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 5: Tom And like, we are seeing an MVB caliber season 466 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 5: from Josh Allen in part because he could just run 467 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 5: the offense. And that is awesome. 468 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 3: I'm conducting my annual early Awards poll asking general managers 469 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 3: for their picks, and a lot of different categories today, 470 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 3: still early in the process, but I would say there's 471 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 3: a lot of Josh Allen boats. 472 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 4: Not unanimous, but he's certainly. 473 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 5: Get a lot of votes. 474 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 3: A little bit of recency bias in that, probably, but 475 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 3: that's it's a level of which he's playing as they 476 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 3: continue through practice, the pregame sound and light show here, 477 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 3: I aways want to make this point. We have been 478 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 3: talking about this with the Lions and the amount of 479 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 3: attrition that they've had, particularly in the defense of front seven, 480 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 3: and now it's extended to the secondary with Carlton Davis 481 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 3: getting hurt. 482 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 4: You know, you watch them. 483 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 3: Play and it's like, how are they doing this? And 484 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 3: the answer was, you know, there's only so much you 485 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 3: can withstand. I think that's true with any team at 486 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 3: a certain point, you know you're you're just gonna have 487 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 3: to win games a different way. And that's why for 488 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 3: as much as I saw a lot of comments about 489 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 3: what the world is Dan Campbell doing, you know, going 490 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 3: for that onsite kick when they cut to ten points, 491 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 3: my thought was Dan Campbell is watching this game and going, 492 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 3: we have no chance to stop these guys. We are gassed, 493 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 3: We've got no depth, we are down so many guys 494 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 3: in that front seven. 495 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 4: By the way, that was a really good on site 496 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 4: kick by Jake Bates too. 497 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 3: He got the second hop the high hop and if 498 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 3: worn't for Max Hop Mac Collins. If Mac Collins as usual, 499 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 3: we're not wearing shoes, he wouldn't have the fingertip to 500 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 3: get that ball. 501 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 4: It was a great on side kick. They're just recover it. 502 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 4: It doesn't end up working out. 503 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 3: But I understood the philosophy in that moment, which is, 504 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 3: all right, you know what, what is it seven percent of 505 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 3: onside kicks get recovered right now, but at this point, 506 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 3: it wasn't a better than seven percent chance that the 507 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 3: defense is gonna get consecutive stops. I understand the presenters 508 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 3: wearing his favor here, but you know that's that's kind 509 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 3: of the spot the Lions are in right now, which 510 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 3: is they're gonna have to outscore people because it's just 511 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 3: not a lot of ways you're gonna be able to 512 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 3: find a whole bunch of more players to fortify that defense. 513 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 2: Stays bring us home on this game. 514 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 9: Yeah, I just everybody was shocked that onside kick happened. 515 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 9: With ten minutes just in the building. We are all 516 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 9: just like ghosts, our facewk ghosts. I just want to 517 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 9: finish on this for the first time this season. Josh 518 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 9: Allen's doing something with his offense on Fridays. I was 519 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 9: talking to a high ranking official in the locker room 520 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 9: after the game for about fifteen minutes, and he gathers 521 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 9: up the entire offense, you guys, and no coaches are 522 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 9: in there. So this is players only every Friday, basically 523 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 9: at the end of the day on Fridays. 524 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 8: In their bills facility. He's got this. 525 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 9: Group together and they just they go back and forth 526 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 9: like here's what works, here's what doesn't. And he's done 527 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 9: this with the offensive line group as well. When Joe 528 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 9: Burdy took over last year for Ken Dorsey, he started 529 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 9: jumping into the O line meetings and the running backs 530 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 9: then jump into those meetings. So now they've expanded it 531 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 9: on Fridays to the entire offense, and I think we're 532 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 9: seeing that communication and chemistry and cohesiveness kind of manifest 533 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 9: itself this season. His leadership has totally gone to another level, 534 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 9: which also speaks to the way he's playing. 535 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: Stacey Dale's always appreciate you providing insight no matter the 536 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: day of the week, and thank you for bringing it 537 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: on a Monday here on The Insiders. As we wrap 538 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: up the Sunday portion of week fifteen and head toward Monday. 539 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 2: We've got two games a night. 540 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 5: Two games a night. 541 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: Time's at one of them. Tom, I know you're struggling 542 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: with the audio there, but I'll tell you what. The 543 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: visuals are amazing and I'm not struggling. 544 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 4: They're not struggling at all. Here. 545 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 3: The audio is on full blast. I can confirm it's working. 546 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 3: We probably don't need to run the full forty five minutes. 547 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 2: The lighting is unbelievable though. 548 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,719 Speaker 1: It's just the flashing lights behind you, and then there 549 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: was this bright light that you look toward. 550 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 2: It almost looked like v light. Don't go to the light, Tom, please, 551 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 2: we need a little bit more coming up here. I 552 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 2: spent you coming up here. 553 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: We're going to talk more on the number one seed 554 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 1: in the NFC, which is wide open now. As the 555 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: Lions again are starting to suck a little bit of 556 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: wind here because of all the injuries and that loss 557 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: to the Buffalo Bill that's coming up next on the Insiders, Well, 558 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: we had our healthy what we call the A block here, 559 00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: so we're gonna be quick here as we get through 560 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: the second portion of the program here. Eagles Steelers mentioned 561 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: this earlier on Listen to me. This was like, oh, 562 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: this is a litmus test. But the Eagles have passed 563 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: every litmus test this year. It's not like they've just 564 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 1: beat up on the soft opponents. And to do what 565 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: they did the way that they did it against the Steelers, 566 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: that four minute offense become a four minute offense nerd 567 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: this year. 568 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 2: I love it. 569 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: A lot of teams are running it really really well, 570 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: especially the teams that can run the football are running 571 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: it really well. They did an amazing job. My understanding 572 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: is they came back to the coaches, the players had 573 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: no idea that they had held the football as long 574 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: as they did down the stretch there. That was absolute 575 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: just perfection for what you want from that four minute offense. 576 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 7: Judy didn't this Steelers have like only two second half 577 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 7: drives and they totaled like less than six minutes, right, 578 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 7: I mean, it's crazy crazy that they you know, couldn't 579 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 7: get them off the field. The Eagles are you know, 580 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 7: I feel like about the NFC, and we've spent a 581 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 7: lot of time talking about the Lions, but like that, 582 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 7: there's a clear difference between the you know, you've got 583 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 7: Lions and Eagles at the very tippy top and then 584 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 7: you've got a little bit of a gap before you 585 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 7: get to the other NFC playoff contenders. And of course 586 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 7: now we'll see if the Lions come back to the 587 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 7: field a little bit. But the Eagles are in position. 588 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 7: I mean, listen, the Lions I have to worry about 589 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 7: not losing the division. Certainly, the Eagles have a real 590 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 7: chance to seize the number one seat in the NFC, 591 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,479 Speaker 7: and man, that would be something to make everybody go 592 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 7: through Philadelphia is probably not what the rest of the 593 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 7: NFC wants to have to do. What I thought was 594 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 7: impressive about the game yesterday is obviously they got the 595 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 7: passing attack going again, which you could see coming from 596 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 7: a mile away after all the conversation last week, which 597 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 7: means they can they can beat you. I Jalen said 598 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 7: it in the post game on the field, and you know, 599 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 7: just because we don't do it doesn't mean we can't 600 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 7: do it. 601 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, Tom go, you're a word. I don't know 602 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 3: what game you guys are talking about. That's about the 603 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 3: Steelers Eagles game? 604 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 4: Is that what we're on? 605 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 5: Yes? 606 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 2: No? 607 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 3: Great, Yeah, I mean I thought that it was. It 608 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 3: was a strong answer from the Eagles. Everything going on 609 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 3: we've talked about it. You know, there's not a lot 610 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 3: of teams that, right now, what are they? 611 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 4: Twelve and two? 612 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 3: They get talked about the way the Eagles are and 613 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 3: there's a lot of dim picking and there's a lot 614 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 3: of you know, trying to figure out, you know, where 615 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 3: is where's the issue gonna be. 616 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 4: Maybe they're just really really good. 617 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 3: Maybe we don't have to be looking for what the 618 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 3: fatal flaw is for the Eagles. You know, they haven't 619 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 3: had to throw the football as much because te Kwon's been. 620 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 4: Doing what he's been doing through the course of this season. 621 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 3: And then yesterday, all right, you're gonna take away the 622 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 3: You're gonna take away. 623 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 5: The run game. 624 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 3: We're just gonna throw the ball all over you. You know, 625 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 3: I think that you've got a bunch of guys on 626 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 3: that team. We're playing at a really high level right now. 627 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 3: Nick Sirianni probably doesn't get the amount of credit that 628 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 3: he deserves too for pushing the right buttons, especially in 629 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 3: a in a week like this. Uh And right now, 630 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 3: you know, it's it's the Eagles, the Vikings, the Lions. 631 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 3: It's a three way race for the for the number 632 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 3: one seed, and it's entirely possible that the road of 633 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 3: the Super Bowl is gonna go through Philly. 634 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 5: Yeah. My very quick addition to this is I talked 635 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 5: about on. 636 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 6: Game day morning something that I think Sirianni had said 637 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 6: earlier in the week, which is that they showed the 638 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 6: team plenty of pictures of celebrating and like, how we 639 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 6: do this together? And I don't read the Twitter comments, 640 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 6: but people tell me that it was a lot of 641 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 6: people making fun of the Eagles, and I sort of 642 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 6: get that. Sirianni does a lot of things that makes 643 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 6: people laugh. It's like, oh, showed them togetherness, Well, that's 644 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 6: sort of corny cool. All of that stuff works. All 645 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 6: of the togetherness stuff works, all of the competition stuff works. 646 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 5: Sirianni. 647 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 6: I'm sure people will never give him credit and will 648 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 6: always laugh, and I'm sure people think it's very funny 649 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 6: when he has like the number one or two seed 650 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 6: in the playoffs. 651 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 5: That's all. 652 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: Listen, the greatest coach in the history of the NFL 653 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: and the ACC once showed his team and it's caught 654 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: by NFL films images of them celebrating together and what 655 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: it does to the other team. It was a game 656 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: for the Patriots against the Broncos on Monday night, and 657 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: Belichick was saying, you should celebrate. You worked hard to 658 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: get to this point. You work hard to earn this moment. 659 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: You might as well enjoy it. And it does have 660 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: an impact on the other team. And this celebration between 661 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: Hurts and Brown after that touchdown look like a little 662 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: bit of kid and play or something going on there. 663 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: I'm not hip with these celebrations. H I can't believe 664 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: I just said I'm not hip anyway, I'm. 665 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 3: Hip to that group those famous thirty five years ago 666 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 3: speaking thereof Stick around for part two of this Entires podcast, 667 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 3: because and this is serious, Vanilla Ice is supposed to 668 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 3: start rehearsing this. 669 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 4: Come on, we're gonna have that to come over? 670 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:45,479 Speaker 5: Come over? All right? 671 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 4: If Rob comes over here, I will, I'll see it'll 672 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 4: come on. 673 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 2: Would he come over if you called him Rob or Ice? 674 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 2: You might want to think about that one. 675 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: But listen, we're going to talk about teams whose playoff 676 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: odds have dropped significantly, and perhaps a performance from Vanella Ice. 677 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 2: We shall see. Tune in