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Speaker 2: and fourteen of Hurdle, a while miss focused podcast where

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Speaker 2: I connect with everyone from your favorite athletes to top

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Speaker 2: We all go through hurdles in life, and my goal

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Speaker 2: to chat with Emma bad She's an ACEIX sponsored pro

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Speaker 2: I am sitting down with Emma Bates. She is a

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Speaker 1: So that was like a really tough time. And it

441
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Speaker 1: was like, you know, a couple of years of just

442
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 1: you know, this isn't this isn't going well, and this

443
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 1: isn't providing any kind of you know, outlet for me

444
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 1: or any kind of comfort. So I need to just

445
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 1: kind of change some things.

446
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,719
Speaker 3: And yeah, how do you flip the perspective?

447
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 1: I just you know, going through a parent, you know,

448
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 1: passing away before it's their time, it's just it makes

449
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 1: you realize how short life is and how you know,

450
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 1: things are so minuscule, so so many things are trivial,

451
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 1: and it's it's like running isn't that important, and your

452
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 1: performances aren't important. Running doesn't need to be, you know,

453
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 1: the forefront of my life, but it can still be

454
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 1: there for me in a way that like, uh services me.

455
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of how I flipped it was like,

456
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 1: you know, nobody cares like if you win a race

457
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 1: or don't win a race or this and that, like

458
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: it's all about just like who you are and who

459
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Speaker 1: you become, and and running can be that, you know,

460
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 1: that uplifting thing. And so I turned it into that.

461
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 2: It goes back to what Emma said in her little

462
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 2: blurb before when she was saying that you could be

463
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 2: like walking down the street and someone wouldn't know that

464
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 2: you're one of the best marathonors that our country has

465
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 2: ever seen. And before I keep going with this question

466
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 2: when I say that, like how does that make you feel?

467
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 1: I don't believe it. I mean like it's it's weird,

468
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't sink in that that's like a fact.

469
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so funny.

470
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: We were just talking the other day about like when

471
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 2: someone pays you the same compliment four times, you're like, oh,

472
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 2: it must be true because four different people have told

473
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 2: me the same thing. But it's hard, Like sometimes it's

474
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 2: hard to be your own hype man. And you can

475
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 2: be the most confident human on the face of the planet,

476
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean that there aren't going to be

477
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 2: moments of like inherent self doubt.

478
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Like we have such high expectations for ourselves, and

479
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a bad thing. It's just, you know,

480
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: it's nice to be reminded of, like you know, this

481
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: is where you are, and like you start to think back, like, oh, yeah,

482
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: I have come a long way, and like you're right,

483
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: I am, you know, the best in the world kind

484
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: of you know, you gotta you gotta, yeah, you gotta.

485
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 1: I gotta admit it to yourself from the roof. Yeah. Absolutely.

486
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: I also appreciate that because it's evidence that you're still humble.

487
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 2: But it is a really beautiful thing when you step

488
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 2: into this fact that I am really good at insert

489
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Speaker 2: whatever fill in the blank, being a marathon er, look

490
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 2: at me being a podcaster, conducting conversations, like whatever it

491
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: is that you're good at, owning that there's just so.

492
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 3: Much power in that.

493
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 2: So it's really cool to go back to though what

494
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 2: Emma had said. She was saying, like how humble you are? Right,

495
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: And this also goes then into a discussion that we

496
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 2: should have about balance, because when I put out that

497
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 2: little like blurb on Instagram, that question box on Instagram,

498
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: so many people were like, how is she so balanced?

499
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 3: You are at.

500
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 2: Least, at the very least giving off the projection or

501
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 2: you know, incident people get that you like aren't just

502
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 2: all about running. So how have you managed to become

503
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: or embrace not being neurotic about your training.

504
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: I think it's the things that I've gone through in life,

505
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: like the really shitty stuff, And I am so grateful

506
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: for that stuff that I've gone through because it's it's

507
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: made me the person that I am today that's so

508
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: balanced that realizes that, you know, running isn't that important.

509
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 1: It's not the end all be all, Like people will

510
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 1: still support me if I don't run, and I still

511
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: have these other qualities if I don't run, And so

512
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: just really being focused on being happy in this moment,

513
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: like you know, again, life is so short, and so

514
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 1: I do what I want to do. All the time,

515
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 1: you know, Like I, of course have to train every

516
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 1: single day and be disciplined in that, but it's like, well,

517
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: what can I do the rest of the day, Like,

518
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: you know, I trained for a couple hours in the morning,

519
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: But I love going on hikes, I love you know,

520
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: eating you know, fun food, and like drinking wine and

521
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,160
Speaker 1: just like really enjoying like social events. And so I'm

522
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: not going to keep myself from doing those things because

523
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: I want to win a world medal. It's you know,

524
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 1: I want to do all those things in hope that

525
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: I win a World metal. And I think when people

526
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: become so rigid and like I have to you know,

527
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: I can't drink, I can't I can't eat these certain foods.

528
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: I can't you know, hang out with these people. I

529
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: can't do all the stuff that they like, actually want

530
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: to do and are sacrificing. Then all of a sudden,

531
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: all this pressure gets built up in their in their

532
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: system and and running just becomes so heavy or competition

533
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: becomes so heavy, and like you can crack under that

534
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: pressure completely. And that's how it was for me before.

535
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: Do you experience shame for your choice to live a

536
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 2: balanced lifestyle sometimes?

537
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: But it's from the people that aren't balanced and don't

538
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 1: understand how to be balanced and are probably you know,

539
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 1: cracking under the weight of their pressure. So it's I

540
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 1: think they understand that that's probably the route to go,

541
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: but they just can't get past, you know, what their

542
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: their vision and their goals are. They're just so about

543
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: the end results and aren't about like living in the moment.

544
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: To your point, you just ran your best time of

545
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: all time, and you did that while living this balanced lifestyle,

546
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 2: at least in the way that balance looks for you.

547
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 2: So you know that for you, this is a way

548
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: that works, this is what functions, but for others they

549
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: may not find the same to be true.

550
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And it's sad because like, I performed the

551
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: best when I'm happy, and I think a lot of

552
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: people underestimate how much that their performance is are affected

553
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: because of you know, all these sacrifices that they're making,

554
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: or you know, they get into like this just like

555
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: slump of you know, if I'm not doing this, then

556
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: I'm not worth that, and it's like it's it sucks

557
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: because it's that's not true. You know, like we're we're

558
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: all worth so much more than we think, and I

559
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: think people if they just enjoyed their life on the

560
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: daily and and didn't focus again on those end results,

561
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: they would be a lot further in their goals and

562
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: dreams and aspirations.

563
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and taking that sentimant to navigating like one subpar

564
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: effort or workout, right, it's so easy, especially goodness summer.

565
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 2: We're in the summer right now, a lot of people

566
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 2: gearing up for some sort of a fall marathon in

567
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: that it's hot, it's humid, like it's hard.

568
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 3: Running is hard, period.

569
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 2: Running is harder when it's hot and humid, and so

570
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 2: it's so easy during these months, in particular, to like

571
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: lose sight of the fact that you are capable of

572
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: things because of one crappy workout that makes you feel

573
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 2: like you're just like a pile of crap on the ground.

574
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: Oh completely. I mean, I had the worst workout of

575
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: my entire build up a week before the race, and

576
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: then I had to skip another workout because I just

577
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: wasn't I wasn't feeling good because it was so hot

578
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: out and everything. And I could have like let that

579
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: completely consume me and be like, oh, well, that's it,

580
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: Like my race is going to go horribly. But it's

581
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: like it's one or two days like out of you know,

582
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: the grand scheme of things. It's it's not a big deal.

583
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 1: And it turned out to not be at all. So

584
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: there you go, there's proof.

585
00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 3: It turned out to work well for me.

586
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: So talk to us a little bit about what else

587
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: you do for finding balance in your life when it

588
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: comes to kind of your every day. You said you

589
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: do have a fair amount of free time. So what

590
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: are you doing in that free time that makes you

591
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: feel like you are I guess we'll take a note

592
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: from the A six book, like channeling that sound mind,

593
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: sound body, because we all know it's so much bigger

594
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: than just the training.

595
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I just try to find things that

596
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: I enjoy doing. And I mean I enjoy like educating

597
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: myself and like reading books and just like expanding my

598
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: knowledge on anything and everything. And so people have probably

599
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: seen like my Strava and like they're like fun facts

600
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: every day and like I am just like reading up

601
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: on all these like little tidbits of all these like

602
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: different facets of anything and everything, and I just that's

603
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: what I want. I just want to be like a

604
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: well rounded person. So I just try different things and

605
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: try to like teach myself like different activities. And I

606
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: love to paint and I love to draw, and so

607
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: I'm always like challenging my myself in those little ways

608
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: and trying to keep people close too. Like I've I've

609
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: learned over the years how important it is to have,

610
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: you know, a strong community, So reaching out to like

611
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: friends and family and trying to keep them close and

612
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: just really like loving on them as much as I can,

613
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: And that has created such a balance for me. And yeah,

614
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: it's just I don't know, like what I do day

615
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: to day, that's like a necessarily a balanced thing because

616
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: I don't really think about it anymore. It's just like

617
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: so innate that I just like I just live my

618
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: life like how I want to live it every single day. Yeah,

619
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: and I I mean I worry about like bills and

620
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: stuff and all that, you know, like everybody does, but

621
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: like I try to not let that consume me like

622
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: it used to.

623
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you were working fifty to sixty hour work weeks, yes,

624
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: now the work is just a little bit different. Yes,

625
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: keeping people close. When you made the move to Boulder,

626
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: that probably became more important than ever, especially because of

627
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: what you were navigating in your personal life at the time.

628
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: What did that look like for you, Like, how did

629
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: you go about maintaining those relationships and making sure that

630
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: you were filling up your cup so that you could

631
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: continue to pour out to both your sport and then

632
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: obviously yourself.

633
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really hard to leave all my friends

634
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: in Boise. I had like created such a great community

635
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: there and so and I'm I'm terrible at like keeping

636
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: in touch with people like from really far away like

637
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: all the time, Like I'm such like a in person

638
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: kind of person, and so that was really hard just

639
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: to know, like I need to really immerse myself in

640
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: the community of Bolder to really like just get a

641
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,479
Speaker 1: sense of community and just like have like this support system.

642
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: But like it's so easy and Boulder, Like there's so

643
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: many wonderful people in Boulder, So like I just like

644
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: try to keep everybody close to me that's from Afar,

645
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: but like really like hone in on like the people

646
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: that are in front of me every single day and

647
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: like just really try to uplift them and you know,

648
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: supporting them. And it's just like such a such a

649
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: cool thing to have in Boulder because so many people

650
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: are willing to like be behind you in return, and

651
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: so that's something that's really amazing, And especially the running community.

652
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: Like there's so many different running communities in Boulder, and

653
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: so I love to just like immerse myself into each

654
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: running community and learn from each running community because there's

655
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: so many stories. And that's what I've really appreciated over

656
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: the years is just like finding people from like different

657
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: places and like why they started running. And it's it's

658
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: way more inspiring, honestly to hear those stories of people

659
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: that kind of joined the sport later in life rather

660
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: than like somebody that had the same journey as me.

661
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: So like kind of immersing myself into that and like

662
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: getting reinspired and reinvigorated in that way.

663
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: Simply look at the woman who represented the US for

664
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: the marathon, right, You've got Kira, You've got Sarah, and

665
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 2: you all at a different point in your lives with

666
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: your own journey, and it's just really an example of

667
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: what can happen if you're willing to put in the

668
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: work and if you're willing to be honest with yourself

669
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 2: about where your passions lie.

670
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, like it's it's amazing to be on

671
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: a team with those two because again such different stories

672
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: but equally as inspiring. You know, Kira taking eight years

673
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: off of running and then having you know, two children

674
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,479
Speaker 1: and coming back into the sport and just like you know,

675
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: just going all in and you know, seeing those results

676
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: is just something that's so so inspiring, not only to

677
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: like me, but like to people that you know maybe

678
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: didn't have it, you know during their twenties or thirties.

679
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: They know that they can, like they still have dreams,

680
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: they can go for those dreams. And like she really

681
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: has like provided such a different area of like inspiration

682
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: that like I have for people, or Sarah has, and

683
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: like Sarah of course like has these children that she

684
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: adopted and is fostering, and like this is such an

685
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: amazing thing because you can still be and still you know,

686
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: run your fastest times ever. And she's been in the

687
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: sport for so long, but she's you know worked her

688
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: way up into you know, breaking the American record and

689
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: the half marathon. Like that's that's incredible.

690
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is incredible.

691
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 2: And I think all three of you really do run

692
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: happy for lack of a better designation, You're talking about

693
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 2: how that joy and that vibe is like entirely what.

694
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: You only you only accept that vibe.

695
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: You're like, I'm going to be happy and this is

696
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 2: what I'm going to embody. Do you feel as though

697
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: for you on that note that it starts maybe with

698
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: saying something like that and then is followed by action

699
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: or do you feel like your actions are what make

700
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 2: you happy?

701
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: I think sometimes you have to fake it till you

702
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: make it. Honestly, it's kind of one of those like

703
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna decide to be happy whether or not,

704
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: like I mean, I feel it right now. Like it's

705
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: it's hard with running because there's so many times where

706
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: it's like it's just really hard, you know, and just

707
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: making that decision like just you know, just kind of

708
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: giving gratitude to like everything is around you. Like I

709
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: that's the way that I've like become happier is just

710
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: realizing every amazing thing that's in my life and deciding

711
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: to focus on those things rather than things that worry

712
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: me or the things that like maybe you know, are

713
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: stressing me out or or something like that. It's just

714
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 1: like really being grateful. Yeah, And that's that's how I've

715
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: I've viewed like happiness and I know that that's not

716
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: like the case for everybody, but that's that's how I've reached.

717
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: It is just I'm just gonna have a great attitude

718
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: and and you know, life may be shitty at times,

719
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: but I mean it could it could always be worse, Yeah,

720
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: but just focusing on the amazing little things and the

721
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: amazing people, because I have some amazing people in my life,

722
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: and I have a lot of amazing things that have

723
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: happened and a lot of cool things to just like

724
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: focus on and like kind of build momentum on.

725
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: In that gratitude practice, so to speak. Is there anything

726
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: specific that you do or is it really just a

727
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 2: way of life?

728
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 3: Like do you journal, do you use affirmations? Do you

729
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 3: do any of that stuff?

730
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: I do a bit of everything. But I think the

731
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: biggest thing is trying to slow down my everyday life

732
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: and focus on the really small things. Like I had

733
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: a post once that I was talking about gratitude and

734
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: the way that I give it is just looking at

735
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: like something as simple as you know, the laughter of

736
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: a baby, or like you know, somebody holding a door

737
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 1: for a stranger, or just like a smile from across

738
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: the room. It's like those little things that like, you know,

739
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: some people just you know, maybe it's in the background,

740
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: but like I like to be observant and kind of

741
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: just like you know, see everything and take it all

742
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: in and really just realize how beautiful this world is.

743
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 2: Someone might hear you talking about this and think like, oh, well,

744
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: how does she stay that way? Right? Like, does this

745
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: mean that the bad things don't shake you? What do

746
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,280
Speaker 2: you say to that that's not true?

747
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: I mean I have bad days, you know, Like I

748
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: have days where I don't want to leave the house

749
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: and days that I'm just crying, and those those are

750
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: hard days. But I've realized that, you know, you have

751
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: to have those days to have balance, And like, I'm

752
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: all about balance, and that's how you create balances. You cry,

753
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: sometimes you're mad, sometimes you let your feelings wash over you.

754
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 1: And like it's not a bad thing. It is something

755
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: that is just human nature and we all go through it.

756
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: Taking a break from today's episode to talk to you

757
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: about my friends at Open now. I have mentioned my

758
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 2: obsession with Open in the past. For those of you

759
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: that are new to the platform, Open is a digital

760
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: mindfulness platform that combines breathwork, meditation, and movement. I lean

761
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 2: in to using Open first thing every morning. I have

762
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 2: now graduated to a five minute breathwork session and doing

763
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 2: that session first thing, it really helps me come into

764
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 2: my body, be present with what is actually going on,

765
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: and take a really deep breath or well a series

766
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: of breaths if you get my drift before I jump

767
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 2: head first into my day. The best part about Open

768
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 2: is if they have classes under ten minutes. Like I said,

769
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: I'm loving the three minute sessions. This means it's super quick,

770
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: it's super easy to stick with.

771
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 3: And in doing that, in sticking.

772
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Speaker 2: With my Open breathwork every morning, I feel like I

773
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 2: sleep better, I am stressing a lot less, and I

774
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: have more energy and focus to get through my day.

775
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 3: Now.

776
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Speaker 2: I would love for you to get in on the

777
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: open action with me. Get thirty days free when you

778
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Speaker 3: What are you waiting for? I'll see you in class.

782
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 3: When was the last time you cried?

783
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,479
Speaker 1: Oh, like just a few days ago. I was, Yeah,

784
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: it was I was very emotional. I mean my so,

785
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: my sister just had a baby recently, so like that was,

786
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: like I have been overcome with emotion just because of

787
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: you know, that shiny little light, you know, being brought

788
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: into our lives. There are times when I'm crying about happiness.

789
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: There's times I'm crying about sadness. I mean, it's just

790
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: whatever it is. I just take it for what it is.

791
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 3: Take it for what it is.

792
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 2: When things like your sister are having a baby and

793
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: you having such a big day here in Oregon on Monday,

794
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: when these like big moments happen for you, how do

795
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 2: you navigate those moments without your dad.

796
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: It's it's tough, Like I miss him the most when

797
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: when I'm the happiest and he's always in my mind

798
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: when I'm at those points, so like it's it was

799
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: really hard for a while, and I would like, you know,

800
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 1: I should I shouldn't be happy, you know, like he's

801
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: not here, Like I feel guilty kind of thing. But

802
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 1: I just know that he would be so proud and sorry.

803
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: I love like crying about it because I had somebody

804
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: that I love so much to miss, you know, like

805
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 1: I'm so lucky that I had him in my life

806
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: and had those times with him. But it is like

807
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: really hard when you know, you're you have these moments

808
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: and you know there's a little bundle of joy being

809
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: brought into our family and he's not there to meet her.

810
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

811
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 2: At the same time, though, when you think about those

812
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 2: the tough miles later in the marathon, right, and I

813
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 2: remember in the pres content conference, you were saying like,

814
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: oh my god, yeah, like I was in this dark place,

815
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 2: and then you think about how when you're in that

816
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: dark place, you also think of your dad and the

817
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 2: strength that he's given you to navigate those hurdles. It's

818
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: such a gift to have that perspective and to have

819
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 2: had someone that literally makes you a better person.

820
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that's like what brings me out of like

821
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: the sad part of it is you know, like I

822
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: know that he wouldn't want me to be sad. He

823
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,479
Speaker 1: would be so upset if you knew I was sad

824
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: about it. He's like, you would want me to turn

825
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: it into a positive and be you know, gain more

826
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 1: strength from.

827
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: It to go back to those tough moments in the marathon.

828
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: Whether you're running or you're just trying to like live

829
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 2: your day, we all have like these like dark moments

830
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: that sprinkle into the mix. And for you knowing that

831
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: you weren't done yet to be able to pull yourself

832
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 2: out of that spot. Talk to us about maybe the

833
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,959
Speaker 2: mental gymnastics that happens there.

834
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, this time around, it was it was dark for

835
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: a long time because I had never gone out that

836
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: fast in a marathon before, so things were uncomfortable very

837
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: very early on, and so I was you know, there's

838
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: ebbs and flows at the marathon, but there was a

839
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: lot of a lot more ebbs to this one. Like

840
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: it was it was really tough, and so there was

841
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: so much emotion that went through so many different of

842
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: those like kind of roller coasters, and my dad went

843
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: was in the forefront of most of those. But it

844
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: was at the end where you know, you're at twenty

845
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 1: miles and like it's you know, six miles to go. Still,

846
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: I just was like I felt defeated because every like

847
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: it just felt so hard, and I felt like the

848
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: race had like completely just you know, it was being lost,

849
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I just remembered where I was.

850
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm at the World Championships. I'm running for Team USA.

851
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: There are all these people here to support me, and

852
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: I just want to make them proud. I want to

853
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: be proud of my performance as well. I want to,

854
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: you know, just go out here like this is my

855
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: one opportunity, like, just go for it. And so once

856
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: I got to that point of mentality, like I just

857
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: I just sent it, and so I didn't care how

858
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: bad it hurt. I just went for it. And those

859
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: last six miles were some of the most fun miles

860
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: ever just because I I didn't care. I was just like,

861
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: you know, let's just get this done. Like this is

862
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: this is it? Like this is you know what what

863
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: I trained? You know these last you know, however many

864
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: years for is is this moment in time.

865
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: When someone tells you, as they have over the last

866
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 2: few days since Monday, that you inspire them?

867
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:21,919
Speaker 3: How does that make you feel?

868
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: I'm it's it's overwhelming because I'm like really like why,

869
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: like why do I inspire you? But then I mean,

870
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: I try to remember what inspires me, and you know,

871
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: Sarah Hall inspires me and cured him. All these track

872
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: and field athletes, all these people going out there and

873
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: training day in and day out to do you know,

874
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: their very best at their respective sport. That inspires me.

875
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, well, yeah, if they inspire me,

876
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: then I can inspire you too, and that's incredible. Like

877
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: that's so heartwarming to know that, Like I'm like that

878
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: to them. Like that perspective is so weird to me

879
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: because I just I don't feel like what I do

880
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: is special A lot of times. It's just like I'm

881
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: just running, you know, like this is just this is

882
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 1: what I love to do. But it's amazing that that

883
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: can be, you know, a side effect of.

884
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,479
Speaker 2: It to double click on. I had never gone out

885
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: that fast in a marathon. Can you give us or

886
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 2: paint the picture of what happened versus maybe what the

887
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,240
Speaker 2: race plan was versus like maybe what conventionally happened.

888
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: Before I going into it, thought I was just going

889
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: to kind of like do what I did at Chicago.

890
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: So at Chicago Marathon, I started out very conservatively and

891
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: then like started picking it up and eventually found myself

892
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: in second.

893
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: So for those of you who are not familiar with

894
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 2: how this played out, we had a second place finish

895
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 2: in the Chicago Marathon last year.

896
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, so keep going.

897
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: Now, Yes, And that's how I ran. It was very

898
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: conservative in the beginning and then like kept picking people off.

899
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: So I thought that that was going to kind of

900
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: be the game plan again. But Joe, my coach, told

901
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: me like, Nope, We're just going to go for it.

902
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: Like if you intend to meddle, you have to go

903
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: out at a fast clip. We're gonna go out at seventy.

904
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: I think you can do it. You're at into twenty shape. Like,

905
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: just let's go show America what you can do. That's

906
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: what he said. A little blindsided, but so stoked, like

907
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: the fact that he like he doesn't say those things

908
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: unless he believes them, Like he doesn't say a lot

909
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: of words, and when he does, like they're so meaningful.

910
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: I also feel like someone saying that to me I

911
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: would just be like, when the hell did we get here?

912
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: That's That's how I was thinking. Yeah, it was just

913
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: like okay, Joe, like that would have been nice to know,

914
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: maybe like a month ago or whatever, but here we are,

915
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: the day before, we're gonna we're gonna send it yep,

916
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: full send Okay. So going into it, Sarah was like, hey,

917
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: can we work together on this? Like we should work together, right?

918
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: I was like, Hell, yeah, we should work together if

919
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: you think that, you know, we're compatible enough in our

920
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: training and our capabilities to go out with each other.

921
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I'm going out in seventy.

922
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: She's like, perfect, let's do it. And so then we

923
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: got Kira and she's like yep, like that's what's gonna happen.

924
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: And so that was a decisive moment that we were

925
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 1: just like we're we're gonna do this.

926
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 3: Thing, man.

927
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 2: And just the fact that like Kira just got thrown

928
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 2: into this, I know it. It kills me. It truly

929
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: kills me. It's just like, yeah, sure, like I'd love

930
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 2: to go out at seventy. That sounds good for me,

931
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 2: that sounds fine.

932
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: Like she hasn't been training for the marathon in a

933
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 1: very long time, and she it's funny because she got

934
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: carried away. She went with that front pack, but it's

935
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: like she's been ten k training, so it's like that

936
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: felt so easy for her. And then she's like, well

937
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: this is getting hard. So I'm so glad that she

938
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: like slowed down and to like get into our pack

939
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: and so that we could work together and like, I mean,

940
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: to finish like as close as we did, Like I

941
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: can't imagine it happening any other way.

942
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 3: So special, so special.

943
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 2: There's this like great photo of like I call it

944
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: like the butts photo. It's like your two little butts

945
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 2: waiting for Kira to like cross the finish line and

946
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 2: you're facing her so like the butts are the closest

947
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: thing to the camera, and it's like, I just love

948
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: this for you. Just love this culture of like happiness

949
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: and acceptance.

950
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: You know.

951
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: The other thing here to note as well is like

952
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: the fact that again this culture of support is just

953
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: so special and the fact that like all three of

954
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 2: you genuinely wanted so much goodness for the other. It

955
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: was truly coming into this event as a team and

956
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: not just I am here to do the best that

957
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 2: I can and like I hope you do well, but

958
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: like I'm really focused on myself.

959
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: Completely, and that's like that's very rare, and I understand that,

960
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,959
Speaker 1: especially like with all the stuff that I've gone through

961
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: with women, you know, and friends and stuff like that,

962
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: being petty and competitive and stuff like that. I it's

963
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: crazy what female distance running is right now, because I

964
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: don't feel that anywhere. And that's something that I think

965
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: has changed the game so much. Like my good friend

966
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: Laura Sweet and I were talking about it, and like

967
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: we think that the reason why women's distance running is

968
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: on the rise and like maybe the men aren't as

969
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: much right now is because like we're so supportive of

970
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: each other and we empower each other and we're like

971
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: always our biggest cheerleaders for each other, and the men

972
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: are so like, oh, I just want to beat these people,

973
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: you know, and like that creates an environment and just

974
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: like I don't know, toxic energy. Like whenever I'm around

975
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: like people like Sarah and Kira, like I am so

976
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: excited and so just like, oh my god, I'm just

977
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: like doing this thing with my friends, you know, Like

978
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: it makes it so it's not so serious. And that's

979
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: what I really like about it, is just like I'm

980
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: just here to have fun.

981
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 2: Just here to have a good time. Yeah, what else

982
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 2: excites you right now?

983
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: This is a really exciting time to be an American

984
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: distance runner, especially, so like I'm just so cool. It's

985
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: just so cool to see like the American records being broken,

986
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: and so to think that I am in the realm

987
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: of maybe even breaking an American record at some point

988
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: within the next few years is something that really like

989
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: gets me excited and gets me going. But also just

990
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: like focusing on my team like they're they're just such

991
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: an amazing group of people, and like they're they're accomplishing

992
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: these big goals too, and just like really embracing just

993
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: like their journeys and everything like that. It's just been

994
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: really wonderful. And I mean again, like my little niece

995
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: being born. It's just like, you know, the little things

996
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: in life that like are so exciting and the changes

997
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 1: that are going to be had, like within this next year,

998
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: and I don't know where life is going to go.

999
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: And I know what Fall Marathon I'm doing, but beyond that,

1000
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: I don't really know, like what's coming next.

1001
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 3: What Fall Marathon are you doing?

1002
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: I can't say, but I know you guys will know

1003
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: soon hopefully.

1004
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 2: Oh man, I can't break any news here today.

1005
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: Sorry, it's no but it's fine.

1006
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 3: And there's probably better places for the news to be

1007
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 3: broken than on hurdle.

1008
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: When someone comes to your Instagram page, they see a

1009
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 2: woman who proudly came in second place as Chicago Marathon

1010
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 2: last year. Now someone such a prominent runner in the

1011
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 2: American distance community. When you look in the mirror, what

1012
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: is it that you see looking back at you?

1013
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: I see a woman that is completely confident in who

1014
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: she is and what she wants. And that's something that

1015
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever thought I would see looking

1016
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: back at me.

1017
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 3: Who are you?

1018
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: I am somebody that expects so much out of myself

1019
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: that I won't stop until I get what I want

1020
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 1: and what I think I deserve.

1021
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: Do you feel as though on that journey you've been

1022
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 2: good at having grace and compassion with yourself when it

1023
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 2: doesn't go as you'd hoped.

1024
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: I haven't always and being able to recognize that I

1025
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: haven't always done that is a huge step, And so

1026
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: I know that I have so much more growth to have,

1027
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: But I've come a long way, and I've given myself

1028
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: a lot of grace this past couple of years, and

1029
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: that has made all the difference.

1030
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: That recognition and that realization for so many, to get

1031
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: to that place alone is truly challenging. To recognize that

1032
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 2: is the first step in doing something going forward, in

1033
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 2: embracing a little bit more grace, embracing your potential because

1034
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 2: we all deserve to have a positive dialogue. We all

1035
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 2: deserve to talk to ourselves the way that you might

1036
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 2: want to talk to your best friend. And so if

1037
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: you're in there, you know, shit talking yourself, and that's

1038
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 2: the person that you're talking to the most in any

1039
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 2: given day.

1040
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 3: It's not going to serve you at all.

1041
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: Not one bit. And self awareness is like been a

1042
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: huge part of my growing process. And if people just

1043
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: can know thyself, that's a huge step. And like you

1044
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: have to you probably have to dig, and you know,

1045
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: dig up some pretty shitty things. But once you, you know,

1046
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: dig yourself into a hole, then you can climb back

1047
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: out of it and leave all that shit behind.

1048
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 3: Leave all that shit behind.

1049
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 2: I do need to point out that about like two

1050
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 2: minutes and twenty seconds ago, you said I can be

1051
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: someone that breaks an American record in the next few years.

1052
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 2: When I say that back to you, how do you feel?

1053
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: It feels like I need to hold myself accountable to that.

1054
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it.

1055
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 2: So I mean, you know what Fall Marathon you're doing.

1056
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 2: You're not telling us. That's fine, I'm not mad. But

1057
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 2: one of the questions that came in from the community

1058
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 2: was asking about if you had to pick a favorite

1059
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 2: from your past, what it would be.

1060
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 3: Do you have one? Would you say this over Chicago?

1061
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: Oh, one hundred percent. I'm sorry. I love Chicago and

1062
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: I love taking second at a world major, but to

1063
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: represent my country in front of a home crowd. There's

1064
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: nothing that will ever match this, like this, Oh, I

1065
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: want to do it all over again. It was so incredible.

1066
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 2: Does that mean that there's going to be maybe a

1067
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,959
Speaker 2: twenty part recap on deck for your time?

1068
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for anybody that doesn't want to see twenty

1069
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: photos of me in a row, but it's going to

1070
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: be a lot, honestly, Like, there's so many emotions and

1071
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: like I I've kind of started writing it, but again

1072
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm like still processing, so like I try to let

1073
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: it alls can until like I release everything. So it's coming.

1074
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a lot to be to be said.

1075
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 2: If you weren't in the loop after Chicago last year,

1076
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 2: I believe it was a fifteen part recap.

1077
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1078
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 2: I love that though, And I think it's so helpful

1079
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 2: to like see where your head was at during that

1080
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 2: and understand the process, and even more so when you

1081
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 2: take the time throughout that recap to give us some

1082
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 2: insight into the journey, right, because you don't wake up

1083
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 2: one morning and become someone who's saying the sentence I

1084
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: am capable of breaking an American record in the marathon

1085
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 2: that doesn't happen. There's been so much work and so

1086
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 2: much effort and so much recognition that you deserve as

1087
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 2: someone who is getting out there and putting yourself out

1088
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: there right, So to be able to shed that light

1089
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: is obscenely helpful for so many people who may be

1090
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 2: spinning their wheels stuck in the process.

1091
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 1: And that's incredible to me. Like, I didn't realize how

1092
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: much impact those stories would have on people, but they

1093
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: them realizing that, like I am going through the same

1094
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: things that they're going through, whether that be in the

1095
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: race or throughout the entire training process, that just like

1096
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: is so comforting. They're like, oh my gosh, Like even you,

1097
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: like a professional runner has the same like thoughts through

1098
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: your head, like I want to, you know, DNF, Like

1099
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 1: I want to like drop out so many times during races,

1100
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: but I you know, like that's that's what goes through

1101
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: my head as well, Like, yeah, I get paid to

1102
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,720
Speaker 1: do this, but like I still have the same emotions.

1103
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm still a human being and like this is really

1104
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: freaking hard.

1105
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah this is so easy.

1106
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 3: Yeah no, it's not no runner ever.

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00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: I Mean it's crazy though, because like very rarely do

1108
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 2: you have that like perfect flow state experience. Especially I

1109
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 2: will say this, especially for a marathon. You're just out

1110
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 2: there for so long and it is such like a

1111
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 2: beautiful analogy for life, right like that you have to

1112
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 2: like find parts of yourself at different places during this

1113
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 2: race if you want to like come to that place

1114
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 2: where you're at your full potential. And it's not going

1115
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 2: to be beauty beautiful all the time, and it's going

1116
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 2: to be gritty and like that's okay.

1117
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: Yeah again, just let things wash over you during that

1118
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: process and like let it, let it be. I think

1119
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: that's the beauty of the marathon is like you go

1120
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: through so much, but you learn so much about yourself

1121
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: through that process completely.

1122
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 2: Would did you step into the race this week marinating

1123
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 2: or thinking back to any one particular piece of advice

1124
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 2: or sentiment.

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Speaker 1: So my coach like has always had like mantras for

1126
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: each like training cycle, and so this one was how

1127
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,280
Speaker 1: easy can you make it? And that sounds that sounds

1128
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: stupid because running isn't easy ever, But it's to stop

1129
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: get out of your head, stop forcing it, you know,

1130
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: just loosen up, stop being so rigid, and just again

1131
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,720
Speaker 1: let it be, Like let what is happening right now,

1132
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: and just like keep it like where it is, Like

1133
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: feel what you're feeling, be with an yourself, let your

1134
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: body do what it needs to do. Get out of

1135
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: the way of your body, and like get your head

1136
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: out of the way, and just like make it easy

1137
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: in that way.

1138
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 2: Do you feel like there has been anything else in

1139
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 2: your life over the last let's say year or two,

1140
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 2: or maybe even the pandemic that you've needed to apply

1141
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 2: that same philosophy to.

1142
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean every everything, honestly, Like I can't think

1143
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: of anything that I haven't really applied that to. You know,

1144
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's stop forcing everything, you know, like

1145
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: life is too short to worry. And you know, just

1146
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: kind of I like to go with the flow. And

1147
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: that's kind of like how you keep it easy, you know,

1148
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: like be adaptable, just like don't don't try to do

1149
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: things that maybe it's just not the right time. Like

1150
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm so like in tune with what the universe wants.

1151
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: Like the universe just like it has signs for you,

1152
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: and if you could just like listen to it. And

1153
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: and you know, some people who get like injured, for instance,

1154
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 1: like they try to like come back too quickly, and

1155
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: it's like obviously, like you got injured, reason you need

1156
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: to take a step back. And maybe this is, you know,

1157
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: a blessing in disguise.

1158
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 2: Kind of thing for someone who struggles getting there, who

1159
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 2: struggles being okay with being malleable, flexible, adaptable, Do you

1160
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 2: have any actionable advice for them to become a little

1161
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 2: bit better?

1162
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,439
Speaker 1: Trying to think of how I became that way, it's

1163
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: just to experience, like once you start to like let

1164
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: go of those things, you start to realize how minuscule,

1165
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: like that certain thing that you wanted to happen is,

1166
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: and you're able to just kind of be happy with

1167
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: what is in front of you instead. So like living

1168
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: in the moment has always been so just that's that's

1169
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: kind of like always my thing is mindfulness and like

1170
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: focusing on what's in front of you and giving gratitude.

1171
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: Like honestly though, all those things have have helped me

1172
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: so much in.

1173
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 2: That way, and recognizing when you make a stride in

1174
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,959
Speaker 2: doing that, right, like if something happens where you realize, hey,

1175
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 2: I actually was okay with going with the flow on

1176
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 2: that or I was able to pivot here. Great because

1177
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 2: so often like these moments pass and we're.

1178
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 3: Just like, oh cool, Onto the next thing, Onto the

1179
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 3: next thing.

1180
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 2: But like, if you don't take the time to commemorate

1181
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 2: in the same way you would another win, so to speak,

1182
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 2: then if you don't notice that, then you can't do

1183
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 2: something with that.

1184
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: Going forward absolutely and accomplishing things like in a way

1185
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: that like is different from you know, the way that

1186
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: you accomplish them before, is like something to be proud of. Also, Like,

1187
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: that's that's how I've kind of had that perspective of things.

1188
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 2: What was the quote that my life coach told me

1189
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 2: the other day? She said, be okay with changing the plan? Yeah,

1190
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 2: And I keep thinking about that. You may have in

1191
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 2: your mind a way that something is going to go,

1192
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 2: But if you were okay with the fact that you

1193
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 2: might be able to get to where you want to

1194
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 2: be by making a little bit of a shift, then

1195
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 2: a whole world of opportunity opens up to you because

1196
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: you could find things as you pivot that are so

1197
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 2: much better than what you even thought were there for you. Absolutely,

1198
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 2: be okay with changing the plan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that all the good things in my

1200
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: life have happened because of a pivot. Honestly, yes, all right,

1201
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: we got track to watch. So we're gonna wind up here,

1202
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: wind down here, wind up, wind down. We're gonna wind own,

1203
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: wind down to wind up.

1204
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 3: We're gonna wind down so that we can turn up. Yes,

1205
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 3: a final question for you, my friend.

1206
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 2: Right now, you have the opportunity to offer yourself a

1207
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 2: piece of advice. Going through the hurdle moment of moving

1208
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 2: to Boulder, walking away from Boise, making a huge life change,

1209
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 2: and picking yourself up after a few difficult years. What

1210
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 2: do you tell yourself, with the knowledge that you have.

1211
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: Now everything works out, go with the flow. I mean,

1212
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: even if it's not again what you planned, like something

1213
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: beautiful will come out of it, because I mean nothing

1214
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: in life is guaranteed, but like there's some really ful

1215
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: things that can come out of the unexpected.

1216
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 2: Beautiful things come out of the unexpected. Emma baits so

1217
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 2: happy that we're able to do this. How do the

1218
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 2: hurdlers follow along with you? How do they keep up

1219
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 2: with you? Give me your details?

1220
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: I got some Instagram Emma. Janelle Bates is the.

1221
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 2: Name we've turned into us on their an accent. We're

1222
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 2: about to go turn up at a country happy hour upstairs.

1223
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 3: Let's do it. Let's do it.

1224
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 2: I am over at Emily a Body and at Hurdle Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.