1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. I didn't talk to Chris Mannox, the senior 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: NBA writer from Sports Illustrating. I talked to him prior 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: to the start of the show and recorded an interview 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: with him. So we don't address what just happened with 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: Kawhi or Chris Paul. But I started out asking him 7 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: about some of the coaching decisions made last night by 8 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Bucks. Here's Chris Mannox. No, you're right. This 9 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 1: was I think unequivocally one of the worst losses in 10 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: Buck's franchise history, when you factor in the stakes and 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: the team they were playing against, and the fact that 12 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: at halftime they had a sixteen point lead. Now, Mike 13 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 1: Budenholzer has many critics out there. There are have been 14 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: many of them suggest that he'd be he should have 15 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: been replaced after last season and the way they played 16 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: in the bubble. So if you were a critic of 17 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: Mike Budenholzer, it was a feeding frenzy last night. I 18 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: mean to not attack James Harden on every possession. I 19 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: mean you could see him walking out there and there 20 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: was a noticeable limp in his step. He was not 21 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: going to be able to stay in front. His defensive 22 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: philosophy in this game was to back up as much 23 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: as he could and force guys like Drew Holliday to 24 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: take mid range jump shots. To not attack him was 25 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: just bizarre. And on the other end of the floor, 26 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: like to not take the ball out of Kevin Durant's hands, 27 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: It's not a you know, genius coaching philosophy to do that, 28 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: Like to play like that, you saw a couple of 29 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: days ago the LA Clippers made a decision to send 30 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: double teams at Donovan Mitchell and take the ball out 31 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: of his head. Going back even further, when James Harden 32 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: was a Houston Rocket, we saw defenses load up on him, 33 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: forced the ball out of his hands or force him 34 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: into extremely difficult shots. The Bucks philosophy seemed to be 35 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: like let PJ. Tucker defend him or to follow him. 36 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: And there were I don't know how many possessions Janis 37 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: Garden him, but this is one of the top defensive 38 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: players in the NBA. Allegedly, why wasn't he get more 39 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: turns on Kevin durank I mean, I wasn't quite yelling 40 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: at the TV. I was verbally yelling through Twitter. But 41 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: I had the same same thought process that the coaching 42 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: decisions made by Mike Boudendauzer were just shocking. And then 43 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: there was another one where Jannis didn't want to take 44 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: it to the hoop late he was guarded by James 45 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: Harden and he shot a fade away on James Harden. 46 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: He didn't want to take it to the hoop, possibly 47 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: get fouled and go to the free throw line. I 48 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: get that goes. I mean that goes in the Jannis 49 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: Hall of Shame if you will. I mean a couple 50 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: things on this Dan, Like, Jannis is a two time MVP, 51 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: he is a great offensive player. Did the Nets send 52 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: one double team at him during the course of that game? 53 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: I saw one situation that it was actually the situation 54 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: where Jannis faded away where the Nets started to double team, 55 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: and then Harden waved off the defender. You've got James Harden, 56 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: who on his best day is probably an average defender, 57 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: and he was not on his best day in this 58 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: one is waving off a double team. So against a 59 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: two time MVP who's got like six inches and fifty 60 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: pounds on him, he could so he could defend him. 61 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: One on one and hardened, and Jannie's response is to 62 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: fade away. In that situation, the decision making by Jannis 63 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: was just wild. I mean, when he had Hardened at 64 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: the top of the key, he should have gone at him. 65 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: I think he got gun shy towards the end of 66 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: the game about drawing offensive files. When he had hard 67 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: in the low post. You have to attack him, bully him, 68 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: get to the rim, and yes, get to the free 69 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: throw line, if that's what it comes down to, and 70 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: then at the very end to drop a pass in 71 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: your bread basket that could have given the opportunity to 72 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: tie the game. I mean, this was one of the 73 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: worst games we've seen Yannis play in his career. I 74 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: just wonder how they respond going back home in game six, 75 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: because it's gonna be one or the other. It's gonna 76 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: be we got resolved, we got backbone. There's gonna be 77 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: a game seven, or it's gonna be you know, our 78 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: heads are hanging low here. What you expect in game 79 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: six in this series, Well, they play a lot better 80 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: at home, and they always have historically during the Jannis era, 81 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: so I expected to come out with some energy. The 82 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: question is can they build a big enough lead so 83 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: that in the fourth quarter they're not just going Manuimano 84 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: with Kevin Durant, which is not going to work for 85 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: them in that particular situation. But in a way, Dan, 86 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: I look at this Game six for Yannis in kind 87 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: of the same way I look at Game six of 88 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: the two twelve Eastern Conference Finals for Lebron. James not 89 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: putting Lebron and Yannis in the same company, but up 90 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: until that point, Lebron had not won a championship. He 91 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: had been to two finals. The Celtics were his nemesis, 92 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: and going into Game six, Lebron and the Miami super 93 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: Friends were down three games to two. Lebron came out 94 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: in Game six that one of the best games all 95 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: his career up until that point, to beat Boston on 96 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: the Celtics home floor. This is a different type of situation, 97 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: but I kind of see it through that same len 98 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: where Yannis this is his moment. This is his chance 99 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: to either show he's one of the best players in 100 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: the game or to prove the critics of him right 101 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: that he can't be a number one on championship team. 102 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: And if Milwaukee doesn't get out of this round, there's 103 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: gonna be changes there. Well, the only damn the only 104 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: change you can make, though, is Mike Budenosa. Would I 105 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: would firmly believe that would be the case. I mean, 106 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: they're locked in on this roster. They made that Holiday 107 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: deal at last offseason, and that costs them most of 108 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: their draft capital moving forward. They signed Holiday to a 109 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: max contract. It's Jannis Holiday Middleton. You know, Dante DiVincenzo 110 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: being out certainly hurts them, but we can't put this 111 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: series on that. The Net's have far more substantial injuries 112 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: that they're dealing with, but this is this is it, 113 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: like this is their group. I mean, the Bucks are 114 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: lucky that they've got Yannis signed to that long term extension, 115 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: but I would not expect Mike Boudinos to survive a 116 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: second round defeat. Yeah. Crazy. We're talking to Chris Mannix, 117 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: the Sports Illustrated NBA senior writer. Hawks seventy six ers tonight, 118 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: Game five. What do you expect? Yeah? I like Philadelphia 119 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: in this one. I mean, Joel Embiid was brutally bad 120 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: in the second half of Game four. Over twelve missed 121 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: that Bunny and clearly Dan, you can tell that knee 122 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: is bothering him. Like you watch that last play, that 123 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: last Philadelphia possession, excellent play called by Doc Rivers, excellent 124 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: execution by almost everybody, and then Mbia gets it and 125 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: because he can't explode off that knee, he just muffs 126 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: a lay up at the very end that winds up 127 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: costing them the game. I do expect being back at 128 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: home is going to give Philadelphia bounce. Ben Simmons did 129 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: not play well in that Game four, and beat, of course, 130 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: I think we'll play a little bit better on his 131 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,799 Speaker 1: home FLOORID well, I thought the Sixers perimeter defense overall 132 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: was pretty good against Atlanta, So I think Philadelphia wins 133 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: that game, wins this game six. But man, that Game four, 134 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: they blew a really big opportunity to potentially get mb 135 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: three or four extra day's rest going into a conference finals. 136 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: That could wind costing this team, if not this series, 137 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: in subsequent series moving forward. Are you all in on 138 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: the Clippers now? No? No, no, no, I'm not. I 139 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: can't be, I can't I know, no, No. The Clippers 140 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: to me, yeah, they still look when they flip a switch. 141 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: And I hate using that phrase because it's such a cliche, 142 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: but like they do, they flip a switch and they 143 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: played great. They did it in games three and four 144 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: against Dallas, they did it in games three and four 145 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: against Utah. I just don't know what to expect from 146 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: them in a Game five, Like, wouldn't surprise me if 147 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: Utah went out, Mike Conley came back and they won 148 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: by fifteen points. No, the Clippers are just too wildly unpredictable. 149 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're telling me Paul George is going 150 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: to play exactly like that in Game five, sure, all 151 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: in on the Clippers, but he's unpredictable. The front court, 152 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: the small lot of Marcus Morris is unpredictable. I just 153 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: I think the Clippers did an unbelievable job of getting 154 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: back into the series in those two games. But I 155 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: am still not buying the LA Clippers. Thank you, Chris, 156 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: you got it. Dan. Be sure to catch the live 157 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: edition of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am 158 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: Eastern six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the 159 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio app. John Wortheim has the book The Summer 160 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,559 Speaker 1: of nineteen eighty four and the ninety Days That Change 161 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: Sports and Culture Forever, now available online wherever books are sold. John, 162 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: I'm one hundred pages in now a little over one 163 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: hundred pages in. I got to the point where you 164 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: mentioned me when I was at CNN, and I was 165 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: okay with it, but you know, you throw in the 166 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: word sticky, and I don't know if that's in a 167 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: good way or bad way. John, can you can you help? 168 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: Because it's ruined. It's basically ruined my night last night. 169 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: Oh come on here, we've in the best possible set. 170 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: The NBA has a new commissioner, a guy named David 171 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: Stern in nineteen eighty four, and he's an internal candidate 172 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: and is so little known that in ascending broadcast personality, 173 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: you didn't you didn't say a sending broadcaster, dashing lem. 174 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 1: You didn't even say that. Yeah, you didn't say that. 175 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: Um um, I mean the serious I mean so so well, 176 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: we'll tell the story. So you had a it was fun. Um. 177 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: You ask people on the street if if they knew 178 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: Isaac Stern, Daniel Stern or David Stern. I believe. But 179 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: I think that the real point is like Howard Stern. 180 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: But I think the real point is people forget that 181 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: David Stern was not this celebrated commissioner when he took 182 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: over the job in eighty four, and Uh, this little 183 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: known lawyer quickly got to work. There's a great quote 184 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: in here, and it's early in the book. It says, 185 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: history doesn't send out uh invitations in advance. Uh, apparently 186 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: somebody else's calling John right now. You know it works 187 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: for sixty minutes. So wait, are you on assignment right now? John? 188 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: You say that jokingly? Forgive, forgive that crazy day? Um, 189 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: you you have a history doesn't send out invitationtions in advance. 190 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: I love that line. And you know, going back and 191 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: reading all the things that happened in nineteen eighty four, 192 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if there was a point where you 193 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 1: go there is enough to be able to write a 194 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: book about this, Like what was there a certain number 195 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: that you were looking at to go. If I get 196 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: to that, then I can write this book. Once we 197 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: had eight, No, I mean the real challenge, Like, so 198 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: all this stuff happens in eighty four. Right, You've got 199 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: the ascent of Jordan, and he's sort of the spine 200 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: of the book. You imagine you're David Stern and you've 201 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: got bird magic in a game seven and in a 202 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: few days after that, you come to New York for 203 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: your first draft and oh right, it's Sam Bowie, Elijah 204 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: and Jordan Barkley in among your top five picks. But 205 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: I mean they're real. So all the stuff happens, as 206 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: you say, and since Gretzky wins his first Cup and 207 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: you've got the profitable Olympics and karate Kid and the 208 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: real the real mystery to me was sort of why 209 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: was it just coincidence or was there something that really 210 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: was going on in the culture that was elevating sports 211 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 1: and making it such such a big deal in this 212 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: this compressed period of time and the importance that music 213 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: played in writing this book, because you do mention there's 214 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: Springsteen and Prince on the cover. MTV was just getting 215 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: big at that moment, So that intersection, how did you 216 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: try to weave that in what Cable and ESPN was 217 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: to sports that summer, which was sort of like, holy cow, 218 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: we've got this force and we can get it anytime 219 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: we want and it's a new experience and by the way, 220 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: there's going to be some real money here. It was 221 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: really similar to what MTV did to music. And you know, 222 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: this was just as we went from like, oh, there's 223 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 1: a Game of the Week too. Wow, I can get 224 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: this anytime I want. Twenty four to seven, you could 225 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: not only listen to the artists that you loved on 226 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: the radio, but you can see these little mini movies 227 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: that went with all the songs. Is there a moment 228 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: that stood out because it's something that you didn't realize 229 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: in the moment, or maybe you would you you'd forgotten 230 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: about it. That's a good question. I mean, I think 231 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: some of it was just how big an impact Jordan had. 232 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,719 Speaker 1: As much as we know about Jordan, and we all 233 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: know the six Rings, we can all do our sort 234 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: of the last Dance recitation. But I think people don't 235 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: realize how much he changed the model and the leverage 236 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: of talent and the athlete and this five hundred and 237 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: fifty grand whatever it was the bulls are paying me. 238 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: That's nice, but I can make a lot more money 239 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: from a lot of different places that hadn't really happened 240 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: before him. And the other one. I'm sure you've probably 241 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: heard this story, but I didn't realize this whole victory tour. 242 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: You know, Michael Jackson, most popular man on the planet. 243 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: His parents say, this thriller album is great, but you 244 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: gotta make us rich. You gotta make your brothers rich. 245 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: They do a victory tour. Don King somehow manages to 246 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: insinuate himself as the promoter, but the tour is bankrolled 247 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: by the Sullivan family. They collateralize Sullivan Stadium. The tour 248 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: is in absolute fiasco. The brothers hate each other. Michael's 249 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: bringing along Emmanuel Lewis and Brookshields and the brothers still 250 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: talk to him, and it loses so much money that 251 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: the Sullivan family sell the team through a number of 252 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: twists that ends up with this gentleman named Bob Kraft, 253 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: And you could make a credible case. I think the 254 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: Patriots dynasty doesn't happen if Michael Jackson doesn't do the 255 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: stupid victory tour. There's so many things that are connected here. 256 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: I love the Martina Nevatolova stuff because people forget how 257 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: brave she was when she defected, and really she was 258 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: part of the modern athlete. Her and Jordan. About that 259 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 1: same time, Mike had hired Tim Grover to be his trainer. 260 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: It was okay to lift weights. Martina said, it's okay 261 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: to to look like this, to be in shape. And 262 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: I thought that those were very interesting parallels between those two, 263 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: an esteemed weekly sports publication that will go unnamed made 264 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: fun of Martina. You know, she used a supercomputer to 265 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 1: tech to check on the statistical tendencies of her opponents. 266 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: Now we would saw that analytics, and you know she 267 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: had I think I think the quote was like she 268 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: had vines of gnarled vanes crawling up her arms. Well, gee, 269 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: she got herself in shape to play a sport. That's 270 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: that's a crazy thought. And she had an entourage of 271 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: people that acted as a support team. She was way 272 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: ahead of her time and wasn't just It wasn't just 273 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: that she didn't get credit for it. She was mocked 274 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: this food played something. You made fun of her for 275 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: for using a supercomputer, and in nineteen eighty four she 276 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: was basically playing moneyball with tennis. He's John Wertheim, the 277 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated executive editor and of course, the author of 278 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: Glory Days. You can see him on sixty Minutes. It's 279 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: the Summer of nineteen eighty four, The ninety days that 280 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: changed sports and culture forever, now available online wherever books 281 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: are sold. I was in the early stages of my career. 282 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: Of course, in ascending career, but I was there to 283 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: cover the USFL and I went to those press conferences 284 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: at Trump Tower where he'd have the big waterfall and 285 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: the escalator and you know, if it was Doug Flutie 286 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: or herschel Walker, I covered the USFL trial. Like these 287 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: are all these brings Like I get twitched and I 288 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: start to twitch a little bit when I think back 289 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: to that, what did you find out about Trump? Then? 290 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: That maybe would have braced you for us that this 291 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: is who Trump is? Now that that is a great 292 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: way to put it. He give him this, He's he's 293 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: committed to the role. I mean you mentioned press conference 294 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: and escalators and Trump Tower and uh sure use that 295 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: playbook again. Um No, I mean you go back and 296 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: I'm part of the Jeff Perlman wrote a great book 297 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: about Trump in the USFL and there were some great 298 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: stories from eighty four is sort of when he became 299 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: this national figure. And you read those stories and it's 300 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: amazing to compare that to you know, Trump. Trump plays 301 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: fast and loose with the truth, but he sure has 302 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: a certain magnetism. There was a story that Willie geist 303 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: dad wrote an article and it said something like, you know, 304 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: riding around with Donald Trump is like you know, riding 305 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: around Manhattan with a motorcycle with no windshield, you get 306 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: a lot of bugs in your teeth, but it sure 307 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: is fun. And basically he is what he is, and 308 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: the same sort of the same playbook he used with 309 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: the USFL, the same way. There was a lot of vagueness, 310 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: There was a lot of media. I mean, Charlie Steiner, 311 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: who is sort of the voice of the general, tells 312 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: the story is that the players love Trump because after 313 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: the game, he'd go to the locker room, but he'd say, 314 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, everyone did, it's Trump kr Ump, same as 315 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: the building. And he would hold the press conferences and 316 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: the players would say, fine, up, I'm leaving, I'm vote 317 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: out to dinner. You can hear and do the press conference, 318 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: but it's it's a lot of the same mo in 319 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four that it would be thirty two years later. 320 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: How close do you think the USFL or some of 321 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:43,119 Speaker 1: these teams came to being absorbed by the NFL. That's 322 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: a great question, because I mean, the one thing that 323 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: became clear to me researching this book is we cannot 324 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: underestimate the force and you know, the spione the force 325 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: that is cable television, and this was right around the 326 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: time that these networks were realizing you could charge the 327 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: cable systems the subscriber fee and totally change the economic 328 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: And by the way, these networks all need programming. And 329 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: if Trump, I mean, I think single handedly Trump did 330 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: to the USFL, like you know what Isaiah Thomas did 331 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: for the CBA in basketball. I mean, Trump just wrecked 332 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: this league. If they had hung around and gotten a 333 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: cable TV deal, whether it would have been a competing 334 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: league or whether it would have had to have been 335 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: absorbed ABA NBA style the USFL, had they hung out 336 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: a couple more years, I think they really could have 337 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: made it. What stood out at the eighty four Olympics 338 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan No, I think I think what stood out 339 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: was you had this this boycott, and everyone thought that 340 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: this was the death of the Olympics, right. You had 341 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: terrorism in Munich and Montreal was a financial disaster, a 342 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: boycott and eighty and the Soviets aren't gonna compete in 343 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,959 Speaker 1: eighty four and it didn't matter. And for a variety 344 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: of reasons. Peter Ubroth comes in for a lot of 345 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: credit in this book. There was no terrorism, there was 346 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: no drama. We all watched this. It was a slow summer. 347 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: We all got big Max and Fries. When Americans won medals, 348 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: it was the highest, you know, the most viewed program 349 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: in American TV history at the time. Peter Eber, you know, 350 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: we all love Marry lou Retton and Carl Lewis and 351 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,719 Speaker 1: Jordan and Knight who I see, uh tier left, But 352 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: Peter Ubroth was the the MVP of those Olympics. This 353 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: stuff with Jordan's interesting going back to where he wanted 354 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: to stay for his senior North Carolina and it almost 355 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: felt like Dean said, hey, you're going to the NBA. 356 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: And the fact that Bob Knight, it didn't take long 357 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: for him to realize that this is the greatest basketball 358 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: player talent wise he had ever seen. Trying to convince 359 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: the Blazers to take Michael Jordan and they said, you know, hey, 360 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: we got Clyde Drexler and Jim Patterson. We have no 361 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: room for Michael Jordan. Those were great, Those were great stories. There, 362 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: great Nuggets. Knights quote to stut Inman, the GM of 363 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: the Blazers, who was a friend of his, and you're right, 364 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: the guy said, hey, well, we don't need Jordan already 365 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: got a swing man. We got the Drexler guy. We 366 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: have h you know, ironically enough, we have Jim Paxson. 367 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: And nice quote was, trust me take Jordan, play him 368 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: at center if you have to. You don't want to 369 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: miss on this kid. For whatever his flaws were. Give 370 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: give bot Night credit for that. One toughest interview to 371 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: get for the book was who the interview that never happened, 372 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: which was Jordan. He's tough and you know you I mean, 373 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: I was saying this the other day. You go back 374 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 1: and you look at nineteen eighty four. He is so 375 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: cool and he's funny, and he's a prankster, and you know, 376 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I certainly understand how fame can can wear 377 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: you down. But to me, it's a bit of a 378 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: pity that he's been a little reclusive because he was 379 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: great as a twenty year old, great as a twenty 380 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: one year old, and I think that the fame monster 381 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: sort of beat him up. But no, people were great 382 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: for this book, and I think it's because a st 383 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: David Stern was a real resource and he was basically saying, 384 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: everyone remembers it right, everyone knows magic and bird and 385 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: people have these memories, but it's it's fared up away, 386 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: so I don't have to worry about, you know, saying 387 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: something I shouldn't. So people were great when I got him, 388 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: but Jordan full disclosure, Jordan declined my outreache well, and 389 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: I went through this first hand. I was very lucky 390 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: to do those interviews after he was winning championships. But 391 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: he was going to be the number one athlete, the 392 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: Sports Century number one athlete, and we couldn't get him 393 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: for an interview, and we were treating we were chasing 394 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan down too. He was going to be the 395 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: number one athlete, and then we like, Mike, you're going 396 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: to be the number one athlete. Everybody else has done 397 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,719 Speaker 1: an interview here, And we eventually got him. I had 398 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: to go to New York last minute to his hotel, 399 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: set it up. He came in from golfing and he 400 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: sat down and I don't know how long he went, 401 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: and I don't even know how good it was, but 402 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: we would have looked really bad with the number one 403 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: athlete and he wouldn't sit down. But I just think 404 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: he gets to that point where what does he need 405 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: to answer anymore? But if you had one question you 406 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: knew you were going to get an honest answer from 407 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, what would you have asked? I wondered whether 408 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty four he had a sense of where 409 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: this was going. He was supremely confident, he knew about 410 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: he understood the business right away. I mean, David Fauk 411 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: did not have to convince him that he needed his 412 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: own signature shoe. I think Michael Jordan, for as much 413 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: as we talk about him, I don't think he's gotten 414 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: enough credit for really changing the balance of power in 415 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: terms of athlete and management. And I wonder in nineteen 416 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: eighty four if he was already onto this. And I 417 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: think you know, I mean you and I know this right, 418 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: some athletes are cut out for this, and some athletes 419 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: say they are what they do. Maybe they're just not 420 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: that interesting. Maybe they've been burned by the media. I mean, 421 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. Go back and read about you know, his 422 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: quotes and the way he conducted himself. You know, his decision. 423 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: We've never experienced a fraction of his fame. I certainly haven't, 424 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: But this guy has Peyton Manning sense of humor and 425 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: Barkley's instincts. I mean, at age twenty at age twenty one, 426 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: he was fantastic as as a character. So it's it's 427 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: it's a little it's a bit of a pity to 428 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: me that he's so reclusive now because he had it 429 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: in him to be this fake figure who is a 430 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: lot more prominent in the call. I mean, his call, 431 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: his decision. I hope he, you know, enjoys the golf, 432 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: But I do think he had it in him to 433 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 1: be Peyton Manning or Barkley if he wanted to. Yeah, 434 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: But I look back differently on Jordan. His mom made 435 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: him go to Portland and meet with Nike. You had 436 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: the two different agents who were going to represent him. 437 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: They kind of said, you get Sam Perkins and you 438 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: get Michael Jordan. Sonny Vicarro's the one who deserves the 439 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: credit from Michael Jordan being that because Sonny said, give 440 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: him all the money. Let's let's do a shoe based 441 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 1: on a player that was unheard of because you had 442 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: Magic and Larry were doing in Converse, and as you 443 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: point out in the book, Converse didn't really invest in 444 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: in these individuals. They just basically gave you a check. 445 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: Sonny McCarroll had the wisdom to say, we're going to 446 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: create a shoe from Michael Jordan. That's the that's the 447 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: genius there. Mike just went along for the ride. Success 448 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: house many fathers. George Raveling played a role. I mean 449 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: I think some of this too. You know, David Falk 450 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: is this tennis agent and he has his boss, Donald Dell, 451 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: who's in falk is really kind of you know, it's 452 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: like entourage. I mean, you know, David Falk is really 453 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: trying to make a name for himself, and he seizes 454 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: on Jordan and says, this guy is charismatic, he's playing 455 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: in a big media market. He understands intuitively what I'm 456 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: trying to do. Um. So, yeah, I mean I think 457 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 1: Sonny gets credited. I think Ravelin gets credited. I think 458 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,959 Speaker 1: Falk gets credit. But I think Jordan got it. And 459 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 1: Jordan understood that there was a lot more money on 460 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: the table for an athlete than what his rookie contract 461 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: would Bulls was going to pay him. And Jordan really, 462 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: you know, Jordan leaned into the role, right. I mean, 463 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: he did the shoots and the limos, and he did 464 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: the Mars Blackman, and Jordans understood intuitively that he wasn't 465 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: going to make nearly as much money from the Bulls 466 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: as he should have, but there were these other revenue sources, 467 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 1: and I think this is a real Yeah, we talk 468 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: about sort of activism and then you know card sixty 469 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: eight Olympics and uh, even more recently Kaepernick. But I 470 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: think Jordan understanding commerce is one of these pivot points 471 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: in sports history that we're gonna be talking about. I 472 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: think that's true with Jordan and Martina understanding that speak up, 473 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: use your voice. I think those were the two the 474 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: two things that stood out so much with the book 475 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: so far that I've read, And he did a great job. 476 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: It's it's it's a great read, John, And uh, I 477 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 1: can't wait for the sequel nineteen eighty five that I'm 478 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: sure you're working on that right now. Right trying to 479 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: think who we get. You get Lakers and Celtics again, 480 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: we got that going for us, but I'm not sure 481 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: it will be quite as pivotal. No. I appreciate there's 482 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: the Patrick Ewing, there's lottery, h the Chicago Bears. Come on, John, 483 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 1: do some research. Yeah, where's my agent? No, you're right, 484 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: we have we got frozen uh, frozen envelopes. No, you're 485 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: we're at it. Do you have the City Royals? No, 486 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: this is uh no, but Sea, I appreciate it. And uh, 487 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: I like that you you came across that, you came 488 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: across the anecdote with with Howard Stern and Isaac Stern. 489 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: But but seriously, when you caught this cable wave and 490 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: it's I think, okay, cable TV. We we uh, it's 491 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: it's propping up sports and it's it's made figures like 492 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: Dan Patrick, and I think it's gonna be interesting where 493 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: we go from here because cable's really the story of 494 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: sports in the last thirty five years. John, thanks for 495 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: joining us. Uh, have a great weekend and we appreciate 496 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: your time anytime. Thanks Dan. 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Nick Wright, first Things First, co host, 509 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: He was there for the game last night, Bucks nets 510 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 1: game five at Barkley, says the series now shifts to 511 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: Milwaukee for Game six, and I have no idea what 512 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: to expect from the Bucks, well both teams going into 513 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: Game six. But let's reflect on game five. Do you 514 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: want to start with the obvious with Kevin Durant or 515 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: do you want to start with the Milwaukee Bucks game plan? Nick, 516 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: Let's start with the good. Let's start with the obvious 517 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,719 Speaker 1: in Kevin Durant, and do me a favorite Dan at 518 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: the end of this leave thirty seconds because I have 519 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: a question for you at the very very end. We'll 520 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: start with Durant. It's not only unquestionably the finest game 521 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: of his career, and I don't know what the most 522 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: impressive part is. I think it's the forty eight minutes, 523 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: playing forty eight out of forty eight. The only guy 524 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: in this era that we've been able to rely on 525 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: doing that is Lebron, and his body is just historically 526 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: built differently. Like I didn't think Durant could do that. 527 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: He did it without ever resting at any moment. And 528 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: when you look at the greatest wings of all time, 529 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: Dan Lebron, Michael Kobe, and Bird, I am hard pressed 530 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: to find a playoff game that Bird or Kobe had 531 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: ops this one. Bird had thirty seven, nine and nine 532 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: in a game seven to beat the Pistons in eighty seven, 533 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: get an unbelievable Game seven against the Knicks, Kobe at 534 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: a fifty point game and a loss when he was 535 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: undermanned the way Durant is to the Sons that year, 536 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: and oh six when they lost in seven. This is 537 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: one of the finest playoff games a wing has played 538 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: in NBA history, and it's the greatest game I've ever 539 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: been in person for. And I don't think any of 540 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,959 Speaker 1: that as prisoner of the moment stuff. You obviously watched 541 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: Bird live. I can't think of a time he was 542 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: better than this. Well, and I know you're talking about 543 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: wing players because I think what Magic did in the 544 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: NBA Finals his rookie year when he played center. Absolutely, 545 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: you know, I could make a case for Clyde Frasier 546 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: Game seven NBA Finals against the Lakers when he went 547 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: thirty six and nineteen and sixteen or something. Yeah, yeah, 548 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: But what we saw with that team with no supporting 549 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: cast around him, and it's one of those This is 550 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: why I thought Steph Curry was the MVP this year. 551 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: Everybody in the building knew that Steph was going to shoot, 552 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: but he still led the league in scoring and he 553 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: was wonderful this year. Everybody in the building last night 554 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: knew Kevin Durant was the option for this team, and somehow, 555 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: some way, the Milwaukee Bucks thought, let's just put one 556 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: game or one player on him. Let's stay on that 557 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: for a second, because before we get to the Buck's 558 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: ridiculous game plan on both sides of the ball, just infuriating. 559 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: What you touched on there, it's in an odd way. 560 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: Durant's brilliant last night is why fans were so mad 561 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: at him for Golden State and then got mad at 562 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: him all over again when they got hardened. Because what 563 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: is your favorite Steph Curry season? Maybe this one? What 564 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: are some of your favorite Lebron James moments in series 565 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: the twenty fifteen Finals when he was app salutely outgunned 566 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: maybe the greatest Lebron game ever, Game one of the 567 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: twenty eight team finals. Where you want to watch John 568 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: McLean in Diehard against twelve terrorists, you don't want to 569 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: watch three John mccleans against two terrorists. And so there 570 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: is a part as a sports fan where you almost 571 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: you don't need to see it all the time, but 572 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: you want to see the best in the world when 573 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: they when the odds are totally stacked against them. And 574 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: for Durant, aside from one playoff series against the Grizzlies 575 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: after Ross got his knee blown or torn up by 576 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: Patrick Beverley, he's always had an MVP alongside him in 577 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: every playoff series he's played in one with Golden State 578 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: Steff when there, but Clay was and so we never 579 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,719 Speaker 1: got to see this from Durant. I think people wanted 580 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: to see it, even if that's unfair to him, Like 581 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: does that make sense? Like this is what we wanted 582 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: to see, even if it's not sustainable for a career. 583 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: You wanted to see it for maybe a season, Like 584 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: we got to see from step this year. Yeah, I agree, 585 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: it's a great point. We're talking to Nick Wright, first 586 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: Thing's first co host on Fox Sports One. I yelled 587 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: at the TV last night. Nick. It's been a while 588 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: since I've yelled at the TV. And I'm by myself, 589 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: and I'm just wondering that at some point, does somebody 590 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: on Milwaukee's bench tell Mike Budenholzer, how about we run 591 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: another guy at Durant. How about we have him pick 592 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: up his dribble. How about we double team him. If 593 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: if Danny Green's gonna beat us, great Harden's not gonna 594 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: beat us, let's let's You know, I like our chances 595 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: over here than I do with this. But you have 596 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: one guy on him. You let him go right, You 597 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: let him do what he wants to do. He was, 598 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: he was incredible, but I kind of get the ball 599 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: out of the best player's hands. Nick, it was offensive coaching. 600 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: I you'd have done better. Whoopee Goldberg just from filming 601 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: Eddie would have done better. Your older new listeners all 602 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: like that. The drunk teenager. And I know teenagers aren't 603 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: supposed to drink, but I'm pretty sure he's the teenager. 604 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he was drunk sitting behind me and 605 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: the stands would have done better. What listen you a 606 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: couple of things. One is our statistician guy named Dustin Wade. 607 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: I want to give him credit. He tracked the game 608 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: by hand at three this morning so I could have 609 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: this info and I I'll share with your audience. Kevin 610 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: Durant was double teamed true, double teamed zero times all games. 611 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: They sent a second guy at Durant so little he 612 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: took zero jump shots with a help defender on him. 613 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: Every time they sent a help defender on him, he 614 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: made the pass and they defended it as if Kyrie 615 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: were out there and Harden was full strength, and it's like, oh, 616 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: we can't double him, Yes you can. You can double him, 617 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: And if Jeff Green goes for forty seven instead of 618 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: twenty seven, then you lose. But I don't even think 619 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: that was the worst coaching job. See James Harden. What's 620 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: the old line? Dan a one legged man in an 621 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: ass kicking contest? James Harden was one legged man in 622 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: Game five of the playoffs. They didn't make him defend anybody. 623 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: How do you not just say hate? He can't move 624 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: at all? Like obviously he's not a great defender when 625 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: he's healthy. I thought in the first half, honestly, and 626 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: this is me giving the Bucks coaching step too much credit. 627 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: I thought they knew that if they went at Hardened, 628 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: that they would take that Nash would take Harden out. 629 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: And they were having such an easy way of it 630 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: that they were like, we don't want Harden out. We 631 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: know we can go to that if we need to, 632 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: but they never went to it. It was that is 633 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: the type of franchise changing loss. You're up seventeen with 634 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: seven minutes left in the third quarter and the other 635 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: team's got one guy and you just to let him 636 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: shoot flames out of eyeballs and burn your house down. 637 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: It was unbelievable, unbelievable, and I know that if you 638 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,719 Speaker 1: look at the stat line, Greek Freak had a great night, 639 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: But it's it's not how much you have, it's when 640 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: you get that total. And he shot a fade away 641 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 1: with James Harden on him. They didn't even double him. 642 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: Harden said, I don't need a double, waved it away, 643 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: and you know, then he fumbles the ball with a turnover, 644 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: he misses a free throw, like these are small things, 645 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: and I know I'm nitpicking, but you nitpick with great 646 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 1: players in these moments where you want them to be 647 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 1: able to show you why they're better than everybody else. 648 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 1: This is a two time MVP, and he shied away 649 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,800 Speaker 1: from going to the hoop because I think he was 650 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: worried about shooting free throws. Okay, you nailed that at 651 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 1: two time MVP and one time Defensive Player of the Year. 652 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: And he guarded Durant on two shots last night that 653 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: ain't great. And Chuck said it, your friend Charles Barkley, 654 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: My friend Charles Barkley said it after the game, and 655 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: I think he's right that the fade away I think 656 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 1: is because he doesn't want to shoot free throws and 657 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: the fumble on what should have been an easy dunk, 658 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: Charles said, And I'll take his word for it because 659 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: he's been in the situation not afraid of the shooting 660 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: free throws, but in this situation in the game that 661 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: he said he rushed it because he was trying to 662 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: go up too fast because he was afraid of getting hit. 663 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: That's that's not tenable. And and Yannis, I I almost 664 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: feel like at times the way we talk about Yannis, 665 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: the way we talk about some of these superstars can 666 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: be toxic. I get it, and I feed into that 667 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: sometimes and I now that I like, for example, I 668 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,720 Speaker 1: see that Kawhi Leonard has like a real lower body, 669 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: like you know, medical issue. I feel badly about some 670 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: of my commentary from last year, so I But the 671 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 1: other extreme of that is I think we're almost patronizing 672 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: with some of our commentarity, honest, because everybody loves him. 673 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: He's so likable, he's loyal, he almost seems childlike likes 674 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: at times, and so we don't hold him nearly to 675 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: the standard we hold anyone else in the league that 676 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: has half of his accomplishments, which is, you gotta be better, 677 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 1: You gotta find a way to hold on to the 678 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: lead and hold onto the ball, and he couldn't do 679 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: either last night. And now the entire Bucks franchise is 680 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 1: on the brink, not just the season. It's been a 681 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: busy day this morning. You got stan Van Gundy's out, 682 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: Scott Brooks is now out with the Wizards, and you 683 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: got Kawhi out Game five tonight, and my Chris Paul 684 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: is in COVID product. I mean this is I've said 685 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: this the last couple of days the healthiest team is 686 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 1: going to win the NBA Championship. It feels like it's 687 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: just all of the injuries. We're gonna look back on 688 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: these playoffs and it'll be it'll be the year of 689 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 1: the injury. Yeah, you know what's amazing. I agree with 690 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: you as far as the overall point. But you know what, 691 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: the healthiest team is Milwaukee and they're blowing up like 692 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: they are actually the healthiest team and they are blowing it. Um. 693 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, you've got if Chris Paul misses 694 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: a game, you're gonna have nine guys who made the 695 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: All Star Game. This your missile playoff game. Think about 696 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,879 Speaker 1: that nine guys and then a tenth in Lebron who 697 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: was clearly not one hundred percentum And speaking of the 698 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: injuries thing, I are you nervous for k D? I 699 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:19,919 Speaker 1: am Nash. I don't think Nash has done a great job. 700 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: I know I'm in the minority on that. I didn't 701 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,360 Speaker 1: understand how Hardening can go from out to doubtful to questionable. 702 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: The forty six and a half minutes problem with that 703 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,240 Speaker 1: Nick that like I have, like I have, I worry 704 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: more about Harden going forty six than I do Durant 705 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,839 Speaker 1: going forty eight, which sounds crazy considering what Durant's coming 706 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: off of, But forty six for Harden, that's a whole 707 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: lot of minutes. It's a whole lot of minutes. And 708 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: it's I just and you know, we talked about on 709 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: TV this morning, and my coach, Brandon Marshall said, listen, 710 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 1: sometimes it's not the coach's choice. If a guy is, 711 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: you know, hardened stature, says I'm gonna play, He's gonna play, 712 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: And I buy that to a degree, but it is 713 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,320 Speaker 1: certainly the coach's choice how much he plays. And I 714 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,359 Speaker 1: and I'm guessing when James Harden's like, coach, I'm gonna 715 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: give it a go, he didn't think that meant he 716 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: was going to sit for ninety four seconds like I. 717 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,399 Speaker 1: So I now I understand. I don't want to play 718 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: Mike James either. If I'm Steve Nash, I think their 719 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: best point guard option is Steve Nash. And you might say, well, Nick, 720 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: then the Bucks would just you know, torture Nash on defense. No, 721 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,879 Speaker 1: they wouldn't. They didn't torture Harden on defense. Nash could 722 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: have suited it up. Stood in the corner two. Maybe 723 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:41,800 Speaker 1: knock down some threes. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. Can I 724 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: ask you my question? Yes you can, assuming it happens. 725 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 1: Do you want to go to game seven? Let's do him? Dan, 726 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: Come on, you and I've never hung out. You can't 727 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: be that far up and drive. I don't know. I 728 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: don't get any comp tickets like you. I'm not fancy. 729 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: I don't sit in press area. I sit amongst the people. Good, 730 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 1: not amazing seats. Now, if you want to go, when 731 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:04,839 Speaker 1: you want to pay for them, we can upgrade them. 732 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 1: That's fine. But otherwise, let's go to the game seven. Man, 733 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,879 Speaker 1: come on, make the drive. Do it Dan. You don't 734 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 1: have to commit right now, but promise me you'll think 735 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 1: about it. Saturday night. My family's out of town. I'm 736 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: all alone. I took my wife and daughters to the 737 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 1: game yesterday. They all leave me tomorrow. I'm gonna be 738 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: sad by myself unless you come. Let's go. Let's do it, Dan. Wait, 739 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 1: so game seven is if it exists. It's Saturday night. 740 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: I am visiting my son and his wife. God, oh 741 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: my god, I don't even know that you have a son. 742 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: I do I have one, and uh, he's in Charleston, 743 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: South Carolina. I'm gonna go visit him. Wow, right now, 744 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: Fritzie booking your plane ticket just so you as the 745 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 1: alibi checked out? No, Wow, you rather you'd rather yes, 746 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: And it's worth buying a fake ticket than to go 747 00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: I think with you to the game, because if you 748 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: had better seats, then I could I You know what, 749 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,879 Speaker 1: how about mclovin. Mclovin lives in Brooklyn. He lives right 750 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: by Barclays him in a train ride where you know, 751 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,320 Speaker 1: I'd like to sit up closer, but I could settle well, listen, 752 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: I don't buy terrible seats. I was like twelveth row 753 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 1: behind the nets bench left. What I'm saying is I 754 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, Dan Patrick's motto has been if 755 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: your feet ain't on the wood, it's no good. And 756 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: I don't got Dan Patrick money. I got Nick right money. Okay, 757 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: But are you just saying you don't want to have 758 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 1: mcloven go with you? Just say that Nick. What I'm 759 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: saying is I'm visiting my son in Charleston, South Carolina. Mclovin. 760 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:44,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and that that is fair. It's a great excuse. 761 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna use that one day, Well you should if 762 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: you're going to be in Charleston with Dan you know 763 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: what Nick the next round, then we'll go to a 764 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,799 Speaker 1: Brooklyn game. How about that? Oh? Okay? Locked? If they 765 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 1: may take which let me let me, do you think 766 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 1: they can win a game without Durant doing this? Like 767 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: that's the other thing. It's like, does Durant have to 768 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,799 Speaker 1: do this again? I think he's gonna have to. He's 769 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,359 Speaker 1: gonna have to come close to it. Now, Harden can't 770 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: be as bad as he was. Um, but then Danny 771 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 1: Green is probably not gonna knock down Yeah, Jeff the 772 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: same thing. Um, he's not gonna be shooting the way 773 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 1: he did. Probably maybe Joe Harris comes alive, you know, 774 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: pick up the white phone. Do you think when Joe 775 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,359 Speaker 1: Harris goes in the locker room and he takes off 776 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 1: his jersey's actually Kyle Korver, And it's like, hey, look 777 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: the greatest three point shooter in NBA history until the 778 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 1: playoffs start and then it's side of the backcourt. Wow, Like, 779 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: I oh, was that unfair? Am? I? Am? I still 780 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 1: better that Corver costs lebron Is at the game three 781 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,919 Speaker 1: against Urrant, twenty seventeen. Maybe a little bitter, a little bitter. 782 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: I'll see in Charleston this weekend. Absolutely, our sons were 783 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 1: all gonna force him playing golf. It'll be great, that's right. 784 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 1: First things first, co host Fox Sports One, be sure 785 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 1: to catch the live edition of The Dan Patrick Show 786 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific on Fox 787 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,880 Speaker 1: Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app