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Speaker 1: Hi everyone walk on The Mother Knows Death. Let's get
Speaker 1: started with this week's six shocking stories.
Speaker 2: So I don't even want to start off with what
Speaker 2: this one's called because they don't want to give it
Speaker 2: away because it will just ruin the outrageous nature of
Speaker 2: this case. So, this forty eight year old guy was
Speaker 2: riding his motorcycle crashed into a truck. Investigators and the
Speaker 2: driver of the truck found that the accident was odd
Speaker 2: because the guy on the motorcycle clearly had enough opportunities
Speaker 2: to turn away. He hit the truck dead on. They
Speaker 2: didn't know what happened. They're like, he just The truck
Speaker 2: driver just said it came out of nowhere. He wasn't
Speaker 2: expecting it because of all these other factors. So with this,
Speaker 2: with this info, they decided they need to look further
Speaker 2: into the case and try to decide if it was
Speaker 2: purely an accident or a suicide attempt because it just
Speaker 2: seems so bizarre. So in interviews, they had determined that
Speaker 2: this guy had had body dysmorphia stemming back into his thirties.
Speaker 2: He suffered from what's called small penis syndrome. Do you
Speaker 2: want to explain what that is because it kind of
Speaker 2: sounds fake.
Speaker 3: I know, I couldn't even believe this was a real thing.
Speaker 1: But it's also referred to as penile dysmorphic syndrome or disorder,
Speaker 1: and it's a subcategory. I think that now with all
Speaker 1: the plastic surgery and stuff we hear about on the news,
Speaker 1: we hear about body dysmorphic syndrome a lot, and this
Speaker 1: is kind of a subcategory of it, where men feel
Speaker 1: like their penis size is too small, even though their
Speaker 1: penis size is completely normal. They just have this distorted
Speaker 1: view of what it really looks like. Yeah, so why,
Speaker 1: I guess you're asking, like, why is this relevant?
Speaker 2: Right? So they're trying to figure out what was going
Speaker 2: on in this guy's head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and trying to see because just based on the
Speaker 1: testimony of the truck driver, they're trying to see if
Speaker 1: he was suicidal. So it looked like he was suffering
Speaker 1: from this syndrome. And it became so bad that his
Speaker 1: job as a police officer was affected, and he lost
Speaker 1: his job as a police officer and became estranged from
Speaker 1: his wife and children. So it was that bad, all right,
Speaker 1: So let's get to the autopsy. So first I want
Speaker 1: to ask you, when you guys get a body that
Speaker 1: is clothed, is it part of the external exam to
Speaker 1: take the clothes off or it is like an assistant
Speaker 1: do it and then you guys come in and look
Speaker 1: at the butt.
Speaker 2: How does it work?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So in the hospital, obviously we always get someone that's
Speaker 1: wearing a hospital gown or they're naked in the body bag.
Speaker 1: That's how we get them there. But at the medical
Speaker 1: examiner's office, people come in how they're found dead, So
Speaker 1: we would describe exactly what clothes they're wearing, and if
Speaker 1: there was any kind of damage or anything to the clothes.
Speaker 1: You know, if somebody gets shot, you would obviously sometimes
Speaker 1: see a gunshot entry or or exit through the clothes.
Speaker 1: So it's important to document all that kind of stuff
Speaker 1: and also just tells you a little bit about the
Speaker 1: condition the person was living in. Like sometimes if a
Speaker 1: person is wearing pants that clearly haven't been washed in weeks,
Speaker 1: that are soaked with urine, they might they might be homeless,
Speaker 1: or they might have some kind of a mental issue
Speaker 1: that would cause them to be living in that kind
Speaker 1: of condition. But yeah, we I mean, at some point
Speaker 1: we have to take off their clothes to do the autopsy.
Speaker 1: So that would be something when when I was interning
Speaker 1: at the Medical Examiner's office, that's something that we actually
Speaker 1: did as students.
Speaker 3: That was our job.
Speaker 1: Or we would help the investigators or the text working
Speaker 1: there do that. And it's it is kind of difficult
Speaker 1: to undress a dead body because they don't cooperate with you,
Speaker 1: obviously in their literal dead weight. So yeah, but we
Speaker 1: would we would take we would describe the clothes and
Speaker 1: then take them off.
Speaker 2: And I assume you can't just well, depending on the
Speaker 2: state of the body, I assume you can't just like
Speaker 2: cut them off. You have to actually try to preserve them.
Speaker 2: I don't know, we will cut them off sometimes, I
Speaker 2: don't think. I mean, if your family member died and
Speaker 2: was living in their decomp juice, do you really want
Speaker 2: that shirt back?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's I'm not sure. I never even I don't really know.
Speaker 1: What happened at the Medical Examiner's office because it was
Speaker 1: such a long time ago that I was.
Speaker 3: There what they did with the clothes, But if we
Speaker 3: ever had I'm trying to think.
Speaker 1: We don't. I don't think I've ever had a situation
Speaker 1: in the hospital where a person had personal clothing on,
Speaker 1: with the exception of a ring or jewelry here and there,
Speaker 1: which we would definitely make sure goes back to the family.
Speaker 1: But I don't know what they do with the clothes there.
Speaker 1: They probably get rid of them because they're soiled in
Speaker 1: body fluids, like a biohazard bag or something. All right,
Speaker 1: So keep what we were talking about earlier in mind,
Speaker 1: with what's going on in his brain. So they we
Speaker 1: start undressing him, I assume, on the table, and when
Speaker 1: it gets to his pants, they take his pants off
Speaker 1: and find the most shocking thing of all in this story.
Speaker 1: So he has this giant fake penis attached to his body.
Speaker 1: And you have to see the picture of it, because
Speaker 1: that's what makes it so shocking, because it looks so ridiculous.
Speaker 3: It looks homemade.
Speaker 1: It was huge, it was ten inches long, so and
Speaker 1: it's the it doesn't match his skin color.
Speaker 3: It has this fake pubic.
Speaker 1: Hair kind of hot glued onto it, and the most
Speaker 1: odd part of it is it's attached around his hip
Speaker 1: by a wire that is similar to the thickness of
Speaker 1: like a chain link fence. This it looks horribly uncomfortable
Speaker 1: to think about wearing something like that around your waist
Speaker 1: and wow, it imagine how shocked they were to find
Speaker 1: that when they undressed his body.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and ultimately, with all the information they had about
Speaker 2: his mental health and everything, they couldn't determine if he
Speaker 2: made suicidal attempts in the past. So I guess this
Speaker 2: got ruled an accident, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Mean he didn't have any I don't know, because I
Speaker 1: think that if he was suffering from such a mental
Speaker 1: disorder like this and then they found this thing and
Speaker 1: then his family he was estranged from his family, lost
Speaker 1: his job, I would say he was dealing with documented
Speaker 1: mental health issues, but he never really made the claim
Speaker 1: that he had a suicidal ideation. So I'm not sure
Speaker 1: where the threshold for that is. That that would probably
Speaker 1: be based upon the medical examiner who's signing out the autopsy.
Speaker 1: But this really has nothing to do with his cause
Speaker 1: of death. He had a broken skull and a brain
Speaker 1: bleed from the motorcycle accident, so his cause of death
Speaker 1: was due to that. It's just more talking about the
Speaker 1: manner of death was it was it accidental or was
Speaker 1: it soon?
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if the fake penis like got in his
Speaker 2: way and distracted him and that's why he drove into
Speaker 2: the truck. I'm not sure that the thing is just
Speaker 2: it is outrageously it is outrageously huge. I can't imagine
Speaker 2: wearing that in your pants. And because it's not like
Speaker 2: a body part on you, it's a foreign object attached
Speaker 2: to your body. How it might I don't know. You're
Speaker 2: just not used to being there, so I just don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like it could have been very distracting.
Speaker 1: So at the autopsy, so this is not a typical
Speaker 1: thing we do at autopsy, they measured his penis and
Speaker 1: it was four inches flaccid, which is completely within the
Speaker 1: normal average of a penis. So it's not like he
Speaker 1: had he really had some freakishly small penis and this
Speaker 1: is why he was he was obsessive about the size
Speaker 1: of it. Being flaccid at four inches is pretty average.
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure that that really had to be
Speaker 1: done for this case, Like, it's kind of weird to
Speaker 1: think about measuring someone's penis, but it was done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well, that one's called dildo on the dead,
Speaker 2: So I guess you could assume why I didn't want
Speaker 2: to spoil it at the beginning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you really need to you really need to
Speaker 1: see the picture. It's it really is shocking, all right.
Speaker 2: Our next one's called Bloody Barbie. So a mother was
Speaker 2: in another room while her seven year old twin daughters
Speaker 2: were taking a bath, playing with barbies in the tub.
Speaker 2: Suddenly she heard a scream from one of her daughters,
Speaker 2: so she rushes in the bathroom and finds her daughter
Speaker 2: squatting over a barbie doll and she's bleeding. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: the mom takes her daughter out of the bathtub and
Speaker 2: lays her on the bed and then sees that she's
Speaker 2: bleeding out of her vagina, so they quick she quick
Speaker 2: brings her a child to the urgent care center, which
Speaker 2: then had said, okay, what they were asking the kid like,
Speaker 2: what happened, and she said that she was playing in
Speaker 2: the tub with her sister when she fell and got
Speaker 2: this injury. So at urgent care they decided that this
Speaker 2: should be something handled more by the hospital because she
Speaker 2: had to have an internal exam to see what was
Speaker 2: going on, or a pelvic exam, which is not usual
Speaker 2: to do, especially on a child. So they sent them
Speaker 2: to the hospital.
Speaker 1: And what's interesting about this case is that it ends
Speaker 1: up being it ends up being very innocent. But from
Speaker 1: the perspective of the emergency room physicians, when someone comes
Speaker 1: in with an injury like this, they have to not
Speaker 1: always take the word of the parent, because of course
Speaker 1: people do really horrible things to children, so they need
Speaker 1: to interview the child separately and see if they get
Speaker 1: kind of the same exact story that the mom's giving.
Speaker 1: And in this case, they interviewed this child and asked
Speaker 1: her what happened, and she said that her barbies, we're
Speaker 1: in the bathtub. She and one of them had their
Speaker 1: legs pointing to the sky, and she slipped on another
Speaker 1: one of them and fell and quote, the leg of
Speaker 1: the barbie went inside of her body. So the story
Speaker 1: was exactly what the mom had said. And when they
Speaker 1: ended up doing the pelvic exam, they saw that she
Speaker 1: had a laceration in her vagina, very close to her cervix.
Speaker 1: So I think the most one of the most shocking
Speaker 1: parts of this story, or I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: necessarily shocking, but it's just kind of a crazy picture
Speaker 1: to see is that. The photo that comes along with
Speaker 1: this story is a bathtub that's got five Barbie dolls
Speaker 1: laying across it. One has their leg up so you
Speaker 1: could see which one caused the injury, and they're covered
Speaker 1: in blood.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's a really disturbing sight to see
Speaker 2: children's toys in blood. This is a complete freak accident.
Speaker 2: It's so bizarre that it happened this way. I always
Speaker 2: think of kids, just like, you know, when the girls
Speaker 2: were like taking baths and stuff, they'd just be like
Speaker 2: crazy in there. I'm like, dude, you're gonna fall.
Speaker 3: Be careful. Oh yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: And my kids used to play with the barbies and
Speaker 1: there was a point, remember there was a point that
Speaker 1: there was like ten of them in the bathtub.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: And I let them do it.
Speaker 1: And then after a couple of days, I was just like, dude,
Speaker 1: we can't do this anymore because the fact that they're
Speaker 1: sitting there and they're wet and they're drying out.
Speaker 3: Is just not good.
Speaker 1: It could I can't because barbies aren't really meant to
Speaker 1: be in the bathtub, so water could get into weird places,
Speaker 1: and then that's when mold and bacteria and stuff could grow,
Speaker 1: and you don't want your girls, especially like sitting in
Speaker 1: a tub full of all of that junk when their
Speaker 1: privates are exposed to that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I remember you kind of skiv it out.
Speaker 2: You had one of those like you know, bar or
Speaker 2: table tray, whatever it's called, that would go across the bathtub,
Speaker 2: and it was just filled with their toys. I feel
Speaker 2: like it would take longer to clean up afterworth than
Speaker 2: the bath itself. And I don't know, they were just
Speaker 2: always being crazy. Then they throw them on the floor,
Speaker 2: so when you walk in, you're about to slip on
Speaker 2: the toys too, and then they're You're like, cool, They're
Speaker 2: gonna watch me crack my skull open right in front
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 1: Actually something I was just thinking about that. Remember a
Speaker 1: couple of months ago, I was going to get in
Speaker 1: the bathtub, so I have like a I have a
Speaker 1: regular bathtub, Yeah, and I lift my leg over the
Speaker 1: edge to get into the bathtub and I slid, like
Speaker 1: my foot that was in the bathtub slid and did
Speaker 1: like a split, but my other leg was still on
Speaker 1: the other side of the vat tub and I was like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is this greasy shit all over the
Speaker 1: bottom of the bathtub. So I get I have a huge,
Speaker 1: I'm talking like at least six inch in diameter hematoma
Speaker 1: on the side of my thigh now from.
Speaker 3: Banging against the vat tub.
Speaker 1: And I know, like I one hundred percent know what
Speaker 1: child is responsible for this. So I go out of
Speaker 1: the shower and I'm like, I go up to lucea, dude,
Speaker 1: what did you put in a shower? Did you like
Speaker 1: pour a bottle of olive oil on the floor or whatever?
Speaker 1: And She's like, no, it's lotion, Like duh. And I
Speaker 1: was like, why would you bring lotion in the bathtub?
Speaker 1: You know? So so, yeah, that's what happened, and that
Speaker 1: was really hard to get up. You know.
Speaker 2: The best is she said she always did it, and
Speaker 2: You're like, you certainly have never done this before.
Speaker 3: No exactly, but I just don't. They always just they're always.
Speaker 1: Trying to reinvent the wheel, like soap isn't good enough,
Speaker 1: Let me try to use lotion or whatever, and You're
Speaker 1: just like, dude, so and she was like, oh, what
Speaker 1: did they say now when.
Speaker 3: They make a mistake?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's that. Yeah, Oh my god. All right,
Speaker 2: So this next one's called a fava beans and a
Speaker 2: nice kiante. So I don't know if everybody's familiar with
Speaker 2: that pop culture reference, but it's from Silence of the Lambs,
Speaker 2: the scariest movie ever. I mean, even though scary movies
Speaker 2: have come out after that, don't you feel like that
Speaker 2: still holds up as one of the scariest movies. I
Speaker 2: think it's scary because it's first it's semi based on
Speaker 2: real events or you know, a combination of different people,
Speaker 2: but it's very it seems like it could be very real,
Speaker 2: and that's why it's it's so scary, Yeah, because there
Speaker 2: are people that are that crazy, that do shit to people,
Speaker 2: and it's just freaks you out thinking. I mean, I
Speaker 2: think it's just so well made that even it's one
Speaker 2: of those movies that I've seen a hundred times, but
Speaker 2: every time I still have that like anxiety building up to,
Speaker 2: you know, this confrontation scene towards the end of it.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, the whole thing just gives me
Speaker 2: out so bad. But police got to call that a
Speaker 2: sixty five year old homeless man in Miami was being attacked,
Speaker 2: So it took them eighteen minutes to get to the scene,
Speaker 2: don't you feel it. That's kind of a long time.
Speaker 1: No, I just think I don't know if it took
Speaker 1: eighteen minutes. I know that when they arrived they thought
Speaker 1: that the guy was having what was happening to this
Speaker 1: guy was going on for eighteen minutes, but I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if he was not. I don't know who called
Speaker 1: nine one one in this situation, so maybe it just
Speaker 1: was that was a delay as well.
Speaker 2: Okay, so when they got there, they were surprised that
Speaker 2: this attacker was eating this guy's face. Yeah, he was
Speaker 2: apparently high on a psychoactive substance and he was eating
Speaker 2: his face, literally eating his face covered in blood like
Speaker 2: Hannibal Lecter style. And they were saying that it was
Speaker 2: being done up to eighteen minutes. So I don't know
Speaker 2: if witnesses at the scene solid or whatever happened. Because
Speaker 2: think about this, like the guy's homeless. So you have
Speaker 2: people that are just walking by around and then you
Speaker 2: look across and see someone eating someone's face. It might
Speaker 2: take you a couple minutes to be like, what the
Speaker 2: hell is going on here? Oh my god, this is bad,
Speaker 2: Like I have to call nine on one, Like it
Speaker 2: just you don't see that every day. I'm trying to say,
Speaker 2: I truly cannot imagine witnessing something like this.
Speaker 1: That's why we want you guys to share your stories
Speaker 1: with us, because there's somebody that witnesses these things and
Speaker 1: we want it. We just got to go one today actually,
Speaker 1: but just right before we started recording, so we'll do
Speaker 1: that one next week, but we are we really do
Speaker 1: want to know if you guys have ever witnessed anything
Speaker 1: insane like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, as if this guy's face getting eaten off
Speaker 2: is not enough, the cops are having the hardest time
Speaker 2: trying to get the attacker off of him, so they
Speaker 2: had to resort to shooting him. So they shot him twice,
Speaker 2: but unfortunately the victim got shot twice as well. The
Speaker 2: attacker did end up dying, but you know, the other
Speaker 2: guys survive. So he not only has his phase eaten off,
Speaker 2: but he goes blind and he shot twice, all within
Speaker 2: a matter of like a couple of minutes, essentially like
Speaker 2: less than an hour. A sow goes down, so he.
Speaker 1: Gets to the hospital and basically all of his skins
Speaker 1: and soft tissue and muscle are gone from his forehead
Speaker 1: into his nose, his scalp is exposed. It's it's just
Speaker 1: so shocking, even to the doctors that are there. His
Speaker 1: what is left of his eyeball. So apparently this, this
Speaker 1: person that attacked him ate one of his eyeballs and
Speaker 1: there was like kind of a piece of it left,
Speaker 1: but he was blind. They were not able to salvage
Speaker 1: his eyeballs, and they were able to stabilize him and
Speaker 1: keep him alive, and they wanted to give him They
Speaker 1: met up with a bunch of surgeons and created a
Speaker 1: team so they were able to reconstruct his face and
Speaker 1: they so they thought maybe we could get on prosthetic
Speaker 1: eyes and a prosthetic nose, and he declined to have
Speaker 1: any more intervention at that point.
Speaker 2: He declined it. But he ended up recovering pretty okay
Speaker 2: within a month of this happening, and he went on
Speaker 2: to live in the facility. He was working with an
Speaker 2: occupational therapist. He learned how to feed himself, get dressed again,
Speaker 2: and he's even playing guitar, which is kind of cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is really cool. I'm glad.
Speaker 1: It seems like such a horrible thing, but maybe it
Speaker 1: almost It gave him kind of a new lease on
Speaker 1: life and he you know, he was able to enjoy
Speaker 1: the rest of his life like that, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I think it's kind of cool. If if
Speaker 1: he was just homeless and stuff, it might have just
Speaker 1: been you know, sometimes people have to have this like
Speaker 1: near death experience to get their stuff together a little
Speaker 1: bit more, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, all right. Our next one is one of
Speaker 2: the wildest deer Abbey submissions I've ever seen. So a
Speaker 2: person wrote into deer abby which is an advice column,
Speaker 2: so you could write in and get advice. So they
Speaker 2: had a pretty complicated predicament. They said they were close
Speaker 2: with their neighbors, and their neighbors had three adult children,
Speaker 2: so the parents wanted to have more of a friendly
Speaker 2: dynamic with the kids, not as harsh parenting. I feel
Speaker 2: like you and I have a pretty good balance of that,
Speaker 2: where like we're best friends, but at the same time
Speaker 2: you know where to step in and be my parent
Speaker 2: and discipline me over my life. I mean, not that
Speaker 2: you've had to do that much of it.
Speaker 1: And it's the same with your Yeah, well well you're
Speaker 1: you were kind of an easy kid, but I it's
Speaker 1: the same with the kids now. Like I had I
Speaker 1: I try to be friends with them. I want them
Speaker 1: to come to me and like want to hang out
Speaker 1: with me and want to be around me. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, like you got to keep them in
Speaker 1: line a little bit, you know. Yeah, so these people
Speaker 1: and still have to keep your kids in line even
Speaker 1: when they're thirty years old. There's no time that there's
Speaker 1: no time to cut that off, you know, because the
Speaker 1: only way you get better in life is if people
Speaker 1: are constantly checking you and putting you in your putting
Speaker 1: you in your place, right cause if you always have
Speaker 1: somebody that's like you're the best, I agree with you,
Speaker 1: you're just gonna suck as a person, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean we've been talking about that theme a lot
Speaker 2: over the last couple of weeks, just how we're like
Speaker 2: thankful our husbands, you know, are very much okay with
Speaker 2: telling us when we did something wrong and we suck. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but you need that in your life because, like you said,
Speaker 2: if somebody's you know, just telling you you're the best
Speaker 2: thing in the world, you're just gonna become a monster
Speaker 2: and just not know how to treat anybody, or you're
Speaker 2: gonna just be totally negligent like these people. So basically
Speaker 2: one of their kids who was nineteen years old. She
Speaker 2: was having a severe drug and alcohol problem. The parents
Speaker 2: had been called one night because she was at a
Speaker 2: friend's house and she was absolutely melting down having a
Speaker 2: freak out. They had to go pick her up, so
Speaker 2: on the way back, they call this neighbor and they're like,
Speaker 2: can you come help us with her? She's freaking out
Speaker 2: so badly. We don't know what to do. So at
Speaker 2: this point they're asking the neighbor for help, so keep
Speaker 2: that in mind as we keep going. So the they
Speaker 2: get back and the daughter keeps throwing a fit. She's
Speaker 2: freaking out so bad, So the neighbor wants to call
Speaker 2: nine one one, and the parents are like, no, We're
Speaker 2: gonna tie her down to the furniture and let her
Speaker 2: keep freaking out until she falls asleep and sleeps it off.
Speaker 2: Like is this something you could sleep off?
Speaker 3: People live? Really?
Speaker 1: A lot of these stories are just like what is
Speaker 1: happening in the world? This is so insane, And I
Speaker 1: think like, if she said that she was going to
Speaker 1: tie up her daughter to a piece of furniture to
Speaker 1: let her work out whatever episode she was having, I'm
Speaker 1: sure it's been done in the.
Speaker 2: Past exactly, because you wouldn't just be so forthcoming with
Speaker 2: that information like it's just a regular occurrence in your household,
Speaker 2: that that's what's happen, that's what happens.
Speaker 1: Well, the kid went and like, I feel like you
Speaker 1: left out kind of a part that is even what
Speaker 1: was a little bit even more like above weirdness is
Speaker 1: that when this kid was in the got picked up
Speaker 1: from wherever she was, she was freaking out in the
Speaker 1: car so bad that she kicked the window out and
Speaker 1: was peeing in the car.
Speaker 2: She was peeing in the car, and she was saying
Speaker 2: she wanted to die.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I think clearly the neighbor can, being
Speaker 1: an outsider, looks and says, okay, when people people are
Speaker 1: acting like this, it's like a huge cry for help,
Speaker 1: or she's having some kind of psychotic episode, or on
Speaker 1: top of that, she just has a mental illness which
Speaker 1: is exacerbated by whatever substance abuse issues she's having. But
Speaker 1: that kid clearly needed to get.
Speaker 2: Some help, right absolutely, So she keeps freaking out so badly,
Speaker 2: so the neighbor is finally like, I'm gonna call nine
Speaker 2: one one because a she's threatened she's threatening her life,
Speaker 2: saying she doesn't want to live anymore, and she just
Speaker 2: nothing could calm her down, which it's not a normal situation.
Speaker 2: So the guy tells the parents he's gonna call nine
Speaker 2: one one, and they flip out, so he does it
Speaker 2: anyway because it's just not de escalating at all. They come,
Speaker 2: she gets fifty one fifty, which puts her in an
Speaker 2: involuntary seventy two hour hold in a psychiatric facility, and
Speaker 2: the parents are now mad at the neighbor.
Speaker 3: That's typical of parents that act that way.
Speaker 1: That that reminds me of the parents that are always like,
Speaker 1: it's not my kid, My kid's not the problem, you know,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's And that's how when you when
Speaker 1: you see a parent that's like that, their their child
Speaker 1: always ends up growing up to be a complete nightmare
Speaker 1: because of that, you could see it, you.
Speaker 2: Know, we know a situation right now or why didn't
Speaker 2: that go down? So I don't know like this, So
Speaker 2: the point of this is the person is writing into
Speaker 2: der Abby asking advice on how to handle this, to
Speaker 2: which the writer, I don't is this person's name actually Abby?
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: So this I think when it started back because it's
Speaker 1: been around a really long time. I don't think she's
Speaker 1: like the aridge. I'm thinking I think it's like a
Speaker 1: team of people. At this point, it's been going on
Speaker 1: for decades.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: But the whole thing is just kind of weird because
Speaker 1: she just writes back and she's just like, yet, no,
Speaker 1: your neighbor sucks, you were right kind of thing. It's
Speaker 1: it's I think it's funny that somebody would, even you're
Speaker 1: when you're around craziness, that you even have to question
Speaker 1: that this was that this was wrong of them to
Speaker 1: not want to send their kid to get help. It's
Speaker 1: just it's kind of funny that somebody would take their
Speaker 1: time out to like write this letter just and not
Speaker 1: really know that they were one hundred percent right.
Speaker 3: Imagine if imagine if.
Speaker 1: The neighbor didn't I mean, first of all, like how
Speaker 1: do you even go home and go to bed at
Speaker 1: night after that?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: But imagine if the neighbor didn't intervene, and the kid
Speaker 1: went home and either ended up killing herself or ended
Speaker 1: up getting really hurt because the parents were trying to
Speaker 1: restrain her and stuff. How would you live with yourself?
Speaker 1: Knowing that you didn't do what your gut feeling told
Speaker 1: you that was the right thing to do.
Speaker 2: You know, Listen, my advice would be give it six
Speaker 2: months and if they don't sell their house, you got
Speaker 2: to sell your house because you just can't keep living
Speaker 2: next to these people.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't even know why you would be friends with
Speaker 3: those people? Like what good? They're mad at you. They
Speaker 3: won't talk to you anymore, will you win?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Right, well, that, but do you want to keep witnessing
Speaker 2: this going down? I mean, clearly this person is in
Speaker 2: crisis or they're having a drug issue, so like they
Speaker 2: need help in their parents or just like oh, they'll
Speaker 2: figure it out. That people need help sometimes. It's why
Speaker 2: there's a whole television show called Intervention, Like they need
Speaker 2: people to step in and help them. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean it's sad.
Speaker 1: And one of the you know, the biggest fears as
Speaker 1: a parent is when I mean, I have an older
Speaker 1: kid that got out of all that stuff, but it's
Speaker 1: like you have two little ones, and then when you
Speaker 1: hear stories about this about kids that are teenagers and
Speaker 1: they're on drugs and they're just acting like this, it's
Speaker 1: it's so scary to think that that happens as a parent.
Speaker 1: But you also can't be in denial. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what it is. It's denial that there's something wrong. You
Speaker 1: should never have to go pick up a nineteen year
Speaker 1: old child and feel like you need to tie them
Speaker 1: to furniture to work whatever out temper tantrum they're having out.
Speaker 2: You know, that is just absolutely ridiculous. I don't blame honestly,
Speaker 2: if I were the neighbor, I would feel good that
Speaker 2: I could sleep at night knowing I did the right
Speaker 2: thing in that situation.
Speaker 1: I I'm if this story is how it all is,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what the neighbor had told the cops.
Speaker 1: I feel like the cops should have and there should
Speaker 1: be an investigation on the parents because if they said
Speaker 1: they wanted to tie the child down, I mean, she's
Speaker 1: not a child anymore. She's nineteen years old, right, yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Couldn't be child.
Speaker 1: But but you it's stole people abuse like you need
Speaker 1: to yeah, you know what I mean. You're not allowed
Speaker 1: to tie down another human, no matter what age they are.
Speaker 1: So they really should investigate and see, like, what the
Speaker 1: hell is going on in that household? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Yeah, and like they shouldn't just like ignore that,
Speaker 1: and like, are the other kids they have okay or
Speaker 1: is this one just a problem. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm curious what the other siblings think about all of this.
Speaker 1: And it just seems like an incredibly problematic dynamic from
Speaker 1: parent to child. Could you imagine just I mean, it's
Speaker 1: better that it's not you, I guess, but live in
Speaker 1: next door to someone that's just like living this absolute ceyziness.
Speaker 3: It's just no because all my neighbors are getting dragged
Speaker 3: into that shitjeseus.
Speaker 2: Well, all my neighbors are old, so nothing really goes
Speaker 2: down in my neighborhood. But when I lived in South Philly,
Speaker 2: you know, things like this were going on all the time.
Speaker 2: There is one day I was home and all these
Speaker 2: people tried to break into my next four neighbor's house
Speaker 2: because she called the cops on them for selling drugs.
Speaker 2: It was like crazy, Oh my god, And I'm like,
Speaker 2: I gotta get out of here, dude. Like I love
Speaker 2: watching the drama from Afar, but I don't want to
Speaker 2: be like smack in the middle of it. Yeah, especially
Speaker 2: when I have to like go to work and there's
Speaker 2: a confrontation outside. Yeah, no, thank you. Okay. This next
Speaker 2: one's called Buried Alive. A twenty five year old male
Speaker 2: was digging a ditch that was over sixteen foot deep.
Speaker 2: So when you're digging, you're not really supposed to dig
Speaker 2: deeper than your shoulders because of the obvious frisks if
Speaker 2: it were to cave in. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So in this case, he was doing some kind of
Speaker 1: construction stuff and digging a ditch or a trench. But
Speaker 1: we we heard a story we reported on Mother Nose Death, Yeah,
Speaker 1: about the child and the sand on the beach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's it's a similar thing like you just can't.
Speaker 3: You can't.
Speaker 1: You can bury a hole if you're going to go
Speaker 1: into it up to your knees and you'll be fine,
Speaker 1: but think about if it's up to your shoulders and
Speaker 1: it compresses your chest, you're not going to even be
Speaker 1: able to get your arms out and be able to
Speaker 1: get out of it. So you just have to be
Speaker 1: really careful if you're ever digging in that kind of situation.
Speaker 1: But it's funny like Gabe and I will be driving
Speaker 1: around all the time and you just see people doing
Speaker 1: construction on houses, especially kind of around. I don't know
Speaker 1: exactly what they're doing when they're digging around the house,
Speaker 1: like maybe for some kind of drain or something or
Speaker 1: I don't know, but He'll always just be like, those
Speaker 1: people are such idiots. They should not be standing in
Speaker 1: a hole that deep that I only could see their
Speaker 1: head sticking out of it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So in this case, when they did the autopsy on
Speaker 1: this guy, it's such it's such a striking autopsy to
Speaker 1: see because there's just sand like packed inside the guy's mouth,
Speaker 1: inside the guy's trachea, inside the guy's esophagus. So his
Speaker 1: cause of death was caused by asphyxia, which he just
Speaker 1: had the inability to breathe. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: this also proves that he was actively trying to breathe
Speaker 1: while he was stuck under the sand, which is so scary.
Speaker 2: So, like, how if this were going to cave in, Like,
Speaker 2: do you have any chance of surviving it or does
Speaker 2: it just happen so quickly that it fills up in
Speaker 2: your mouth?
Speaker 1: Well, if you're if you're I mean, you're gonna panic, right,
Speaker 1: and your heart rate's going to increase and everything like that.
Speaker 1: And if you're going to try to grasp for air,
Speaker 1: because that's the problem. It's like twofold. It's number one
Speaker 1: that the weight of the sand is compressing on your chest,
Speaker 1: so you're having a hard time expanding to breathe anyway,
Speaker 1: and then the sand is filling up inside of your
Speaker 1: mouth if you don't keep your mouth shut. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess if this even happened with that child though,
Speaker 1: Like I think it happened in front of the parents
Speaker 1: and they just weren't able to get her out in time,
Speaker 1: just because it goes so fast. I mean, think about
Speaker 1: how long you could hold your breath when you go
Speaker 1: underwater or something. It's not very long, yeah.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: And and just that fight or flight response of panicking
Speaker 1: and stuff. You what, are you just going to sit
Speaker 1: there and just try to be calm though, You're going
Speaker 1: to try to move as much as you can, and
Speaker 1: like you know, and the movement causes you to need
Speaker 1: to take increased breaths and everything. It's just it's just
Speaker 1: you just have to try to prevent it. Like this
Speaker 1: is a completely preventable accident. And it's the same exact
Speaker 1: thing with the digging of the holes in the beach
Speaker 1: and stuff like that it's just preventable, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think just with a lot of these cases,
Speaker 2: everybody just has the mindset of it won't happen to me,
Speaker 2: and it's just better to be safe, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2: Our last one is called teamwork. So a sixty nine
Speaker 2: year old male was found dead in his house, which
Speaker 2: I feel like, that's young to be found just did.
Speaker 3: My cut off?
Speaker 1: I guess my cutoff is seventy, So I would say, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is, it is young, but seventies, like seventy is
Speaker 1: the age where I feel like you see it more,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like more people die over
Speaker 1: the age of seventy. That's when that's the more common
Speaker 1: thing to say under seventy. So it's like sixty nine
Speaker 1: is kind of like right there at the magic number
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm sure I've said this before, but
Speaker 2: my friend Alicia worked a retirement home when she does
Speaker 2: speech therapy, So she was working at a retirement home
Speaker 2: at some point, and every time like, oh, a ninety
Speaker 2: year old died, She's like, that is so young. You
Speaker 2: don't you wouldn't imagine how long people live until you
Speaker 2: work in that environment and you're around so many elder people.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I in my mind, thinking of
Speaker 2: everything she says, I think sixty nine is pretty young
Speaker 2: to be found.
Speaker 1: Well, this is how I look at it. Right, If
Speaker 1: you're sixty nine and you've been living a healthy life,
Speaker 1: like you have a pretty good wait and you work
Speaker 1: out once in a while, and you eat well, and
Speaker 1: you take care of yourself, and you don't smoke and
Speaker 1: you don't drink, sixty nine is young to die. But
Speaker 1: there's a certain point, and probably it's right around my age,
Speaker 1: like forty forty five, where you start getting old, like
Speaker 1: your shit starts shutting down. You can't eat the way
Speaker 1: you used to, you can't drink the way you used to,
Speaker 1: you can't not exercise the way you used to, Like,
Speaker 1: you have to start maintaining. And if people don't maintain
Speaker 1: from the age of forty on, then you're going to
Speaker 1: see people that are dying at in their sixties and seventies.
Speaker 1: But and then there's like this other big component component
Speaker 1: of genetics too, you know what I mean. So it's
Speaker 1: just like a combination of both. So so many of
Speaker 1: the autopsies that I did, we're in people that were
Speaker 1: seventy years old, right, But it's always people that had
Speaker 1: they drank alcohol, or they smoked cigarettes, or they just
Speaker 1: had they were overweight their whole life or whatever, and
Speaker 1: it's just kept caught up with them, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So police search through this guy's house and they
Speaker 2: realize it's filled with urine feces and there's thirty plus
Speaker 2: cats roaming around the house.
Speaker 3: So it was like a hoarded situation.
Speaker 2: So what did they see it the autopsy were they
Speaker 2: even able to determine how he died? So when they
Speaker 2: did the autopsy, they looked at all of he had
Speaker 2: a lot of wounds. His whole entire neck, his bottom
Speaker 2: of his face was essentially gone. His neck was essentially gone,
Speaker 2: and his chest and abdomen were open and looked like
Speaker 2: it had wounds around it. But the interesting thing is
Speaker 2: is that the edges of the wounds. Normally, if you
Speaker 2: saw someone that had trauma like that to their body,
Speaker 2: you would think.
Speaker 3: Okay, they were murdered. You see these horrible like open
Speaker 3: gashes on this person's body. How would you do that?
Speaker 3: But the edges of the wounds.
Speaker 1: Were very like a yellowish color and they didn't look
Speaker 1: like they were done while the guy was alive and
Speaker 1: his heart was still beating. It looked like it happened
Speaker 1: after he was dead. So they came to the determination
Speaker 1: that his cats ate him after he died, and which
Speaker 1: happens more often than you would think because guess what,
Speaker 1: like if an animal's left alone in a house, then
Speaker 1: the person, the only person that was living there, is
Speaker 1: not feeding them anymore, then they start to eat you
Speaker 1: because you're a piece of meat at that point, right,
Speaker 1: And they they weren't able to determine how he died
Speaker 1: because almost all of his lungs and heart were missing,
Speaker 1: so they couldn't really say, like what he died from.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is just kind of nuts, like DoD
Speaker 2: dogs do this too? Or is it just mostly seen?
Speaker 3: Yes, dogs do it?
Speaker 1: Even did dogs do it worse because they have they're
Speaker 1: I mean, thirty cats is a lot. But it was
Speaker 1: interesting in this case report how they were saying that
Speaker 1: you could see like what happens when a pack of
Speaker 1: like carnivores works together, and it because the guy didn't
Speaker 1: really seem to be dead for a whole long of
Speaker 1: a time. He doesn't really look too decomposed, and they
Speaker 1: just they just ate them, like like you would see
Speaker 1: a lion eating a hyaena or something.
Speaker 2: It is not how long do you think it took
Speaker 2: them to start eating him, like a couple hours after
Speaker 2: he died, or until he started decomposing. It's hard to say,
Speaker 2: because like if this happened, if I lived at this
Speaker 2: house by myself with my cat, right, my cat has
Speaker 2: she ate this morning? She got a full bowelt of
Speaker 2: food there that will last her a couple of days, right,
Speaker 2: but at some point, I mean she eats every day,
Speaker 2: but she eats lunch and dinner or every single day,
Speaker 2: or breakfast and dinner every day, and on top of
Speaker 2: that has access to a bowl of food every day.
Speaker 2: This situation these cats were living in, I mean, think
Speaker 2: about beating thirty cats. They might have been like very
Speaker 2: hungry before he even died. Thirty cats is just so
Speaker 2: much cat food. I mean, yeah, that's was he adequately
Speaker 2: feeding them? I don't know, so they could have already
Speaker 2: been in this like desperation starvation mode, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean at that point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, clearly, I feel like you're breaching on
Speaker 2: unless you're running an animal facility or shelter or something
Speaker 2: like something's going on, if you're having thirty animals in
Speaker 2: your house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like try like having five animals plus sives kind
Speaker 3: of It depends.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a lot, but it I guess
Speaker 1: it just depends on what kind of house you live in,
Speaker 1: like what size, because if you have like a ten
Speaker 1: thousand square foot house, having five dogs isn't that big
Speaker 1: of a deal. But when actually, when I was growing up,
Speaker 1: one of the girls that was in my class, I
Speaker 1: went to a sleepover at her house and she had
Speaker 1: this super tiny, like Cape Cod house. It was similar
Speaker 1: to our first house. It was like that small, and
Speaker 1: she had three Great Danes living in that house. They're
Speaker 1: the size of a fucking horse. Like it was insane,
Speaker 1: and I can't I just remember being like what the
Speaker 1: fuck like they were they were just in the whole.
Speaker 3: House, like all over the place. It was just the
Speaker 3: most insane thing I ever saw.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really I don't understand how you would have
Speaker 2: three dogs at large in a house that size.
Speaker 1: I I also I don't know if that's even good
Speaker 1: for them, you know what I mean, Like don't I
Speaker 1: guess if there's a backyard or something, But should they
Speaker 1: really be living in a space like that. It was
Speaker 1: almost I remember the dogs kept like knocking stuff off
Speaker 1: of the counters in the kitchens and stuff because they
Speaker 1: just were like there was nowhere for them to even
Speaker 1: really turn their bodies. It was just it was really weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it sucks that, you know, you just
Speaker 2: love them your whole life and then the second you
Speaker 2: die they eat you. So is what it is. Yeah,
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