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Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast Doesn't Know about fantasy Football. Welcome
Speaker 1: to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast, presented
Speaker 1: by the United States Marine Or. My name is Dan
Speaker 1: Hands as I'm joined in a room filled with heroes,
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and Greg Rosenthal. What is up? Boys? Hey?
Speaker 1: I mean, let's be real about something. What most of
Speaker 1: us have stepped off the idea of playing fantasy football? Right?
Speaker 1: We don't play it. But if you just dropped any
Speaker 1: one of us, and I'm not trying to be a
Speaker 1: braggart here into a group of civilians and gave us
Speaker 1: time to prepare, draft and and work on a fantasy
Speaker 1: team week to week, we would incinerate individuals. That's how
Speaker 1: I feel. It doesn't feel it isn't. I'll tell you one,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you one thing that you're showing, uh
Speaker 1: a lack of understanding of I will have a follow
Speaker 1: up to that comment. Um, you are still completely, on
Speaker 1: some level vulnerable to things that you cannot control, even
Speaker 1: if you have a great draft, like, for instance, I'll
Speaker 1: use my own team this year where I am buried
Speaker 1: in the standings, where I drafted Ben Roethlisberger and Juju
Speaker 1: Smith Schuster and uh t y Hilton and x y Z.
Speaker 1: And you know, sometimes things don't work out. You know,
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz made perfect sense as a draft pick for me.
Speaker 1: My I'm just I never talked about your fantasy team,
Speaker 1: but in this case, I'm honey. You know that you
Speaker 1: could pick a great team in August and you could
Speaker 1: supplement it with pickups during the year, but it could
Speaker 1: really haunt you where you can't have a dominant team
Speaker 1: that you and I are different. The last time I participated,
Speaker 1: I dropped an absolute mega ton bomb on nine other
Speaker 1: haughty individuals who thought that they were all that I
Speaker 1: played under the guise of my wife's identity and absolutely
Speaker 1: obliterated the competition. That was five years ago. I've not
Speaker 1: touched it since. I was gonna say do it again. Well, no,
Speaker 1: because then my then my theory would be blown to bits.
Speaker 1: I'd come in seventh place. I don't actually think it.
Speaker 1: Almost always I'm in the playoffs in competitive and that
Speaker 1: is obviously the help because of all the NFL work
Speaker 1: we do. But you're not. You're not involved, invulnerable, You're
Speaker 1: just not. I would I you know when I when
Speaker 1: we did Fantasy West, but we would often say or
Speaker 1: I would at least, you know, the most important equation,
Speaker 1: you know, part of fantasy is luck. It's just like gambling,
Speaker 1: Like sixty seventy of it is luck and the really
Speaker 1: good players you work on that other thirty percent, which
Speaker 1: over time gives you a pretty significant, you know, advantage.
Speaker 1: But in any one given season, forget about. Luck is
Speaker 1: mostly the thing. Also, one other thing we learned is
Speaker 1: that fantasy football analysts aren't really great at fantasy football,
Speaker 1: not all of them. Some are, some are good, some
Speaker 1: are bad. You can you can join an expert league
Speaker 1: and win right away if you're good at fantasy football. UM.
Speaker 1: Can't wait for the hate tweets to roll in on
Speaker 1: this one. Wait, but I thought you just said it's
Speaker 1: a luck No, that's I think it's like I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that this camp over here is sort of standing
Speaker 1: on the fact that you draft Big Ben. Well, no,
Speaker 1: Big Jen is not someone I draft to begin with.
Speaker 1: Let's start right there. What are you up to yesterday?
Speaker 1: Fired out of a cannon right now? I don't know.
Speaker 1: All right, it's gonna be an interesting show With Mark Sessler.
Speaker 1: We are at week twelve. The preview show. Tonight, Wes
Speaker 1: and Greg will be handling Thursday night football recap called Texans.
Speaker 1: After that we just did before we started to a
Speaker 1: lovely interview with Cynthia Freeland, the analytics expert UH and UM,
Speaker 1: you know, star of many NFL media programs, both on
Speaker 1: the network and digital side. So we had a nice
Speaker 1: talk with her about how UM she's built her career
Speaker 1: and also how she uses her model as it's called
Speaker 1: UH to figure out what's going on in a league
Speaker 1: that's often difficult to figure out. I feel like it
Speaker 1: was one of those, you know, Marvel movie or some
Speaker 1: sort of thing where you introduce a new character to
Speaker 1: the audience. Has got like a guest role today, but
Speaker 1: it's just it's a promise of future appearances to come.
Speaker 1: It's like, here's here's Cynthia Freeland you guys are gonna
Speaker 1: get used to her. Now get ready for her model
Speaker 1: and her computer to take over your life at some point.
Speaker 1: Skynet baby, That's that's what um alright. So, as we
Speaker 1: always do, it's a draft, it's a snake draft, and Greg,
Speaker 1: you have the first overall pick. Uh this week we
Speaker 1: have we have a thirteen games to get to. Uh,
Speaker 1: so let's do it. M hmmm, fourteen games. Excuse me?
Speaker 1: I really wish I had, uh, you know, known that
Speaker 1: going in. No. UM, let's common theme here, like, let's
Speaker 1: go Seahawks Eagles ten am on Sunday, that first big
Speaker 1: slate of games. Want to make sure I'm watching a
Speaker 1: fun one, and I'm fascinated to see this Seahawks team
Speaker 1: coming off of by and an Eagles team that you
Speaker 1: know desperately needs a win. And if they don't have
Speaker 1: Lane Johnson, who has missed practiced now for the first
Speaker 1: uh two days of this week, which usually is a
Speaker 1: pretty bad side if you're coming off a concussion. I
Speaker 1: do worry about them because to me, that was their
Speaker 1: identity running the ball on the right side of their
Speaker 1: offensive line, you know, turning into a run first team,
Speaker 1: which I don't think it is the worst strategy against
Speaker 1: the Seahawks defense, which has been having some holes. If
Speaker 1: he's out that that's where Jenevan Clowney's gonna be lining
Speaker 1: up a lot of the time. He'll be on both sides.
Speaker 1: Jason Peters isn't a hundred percent either, and Clowney as
Speaker 1: after that performance, they just he's turned into one of
Speaker 1: the most fascinating players in the league to watch snap
Speaker 1: to snap. Oh yeah, I don't know about this Eagles offense's.
Speaker 1: Is this the worst wide receiver corps in the league.
Speaker 1: I think when they're banged up. Yes, they have the
Speaker 1: second most drops and we heard Romo last week called
Speaker 1: Miles Sanders special, called him outstanding. Why are they not
Speaker 1: making him the focal point of this offense? If the
Speaker 1: receivers are so bad and he's so good, it's a
Speaker 1: good question. I mean, I I feel like the Eagles
Speaker 1: right now. They do have the Dolphins, Giants and Redskins
Speaker 1: after this game, But if you want to be taken
Speaker 1: seriously in the NFC at home, I need to see
Speaker 1: them put up a fight because they have been one
Speaker 1: of the more lackluster dullard teams. And I totally agree
Speaker 1: that Clowney in a season of trades that have worked
Speaker 1: for good teams like Minka Fitzpatrick, Marcus Peters, Laramie Tunsil Clowne.
Speaker 1: He's right at the top of the list with those
Speaker 1: guys because he has fit right into a Seahawks defense
Speaker 1: that is not great at all by but they've got
Speaker 1: some players that have been They got some pass rush
Speaker 1: going against the Niners last week. I just trust this
Speaker 1: team to go anywhere in the country and be there
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter and win. And I think they're
Speaker 1: gonna take care of the Eagles. I mean they If
Speaker 1: I'm a Seahawks fan, I'm so excited about that performance
Speaker 1: defensively because that was their best defensive game of the season,
Speaker 1: and so can that carry over Because if this defense
Speaker 1: turns into a Peak Carroll type defense, which is at
Speaker 1: least closer to being a top ten defense, then watch out.
Speaker 1: This team has a really good chance to win a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. And one of the things that was different
Speaker 1: that week was their addition of Quandary Diggs, who had
Speaker 1: a great game. And now their safety position, which has
Speaker 1: been a problem for much of the year, maybe is
Speaker 1: solidified with quadri Digs and McDougald together, who is now
Speaker 1: healthy again, and it's like, Okay, you're starting to fix
Speaker 1: some of the problems you had. But they the the
Speaker 1: defense worth talking about this game is Philadelphia's, which is
Speaker 1: the best in the NFL over the last three weeks,
Speaker 1: enforcing punts consistently. Almost every possession, they're forcing punts. This
Speaker 1: defense has been turned around, and I really think they're
Speaker 1: not gonna lose two games in a row at home.
Speaker 1: I really I like the Eagles in this interesting way
Speaker 1: that is that's very interesting. I mean, what do you
Speaker 1: see Because you could make this statement and you were
Speaker 1: just saying Eagles one point favorites. I think you were
Speaker 1: just saying that the uh, the wide receiver groups as
Speaker 1: bad as you get the feeling that this offense might
Speaker 1: be a little busted. I worry about their ability to
Speaker 1: score points against the Seahawks, and really anybody at this
Speaker 1: stage I agree. I think it'll be a low scoring game.
Speaker 1: But I think that the Eagles defense is the best
Speaker 1: unit in this game. Every week Carson Wentz gets the
Speaker 1: ball at the end of the game, and that it's
Speaker 1: become like a trope in Philadelphia. Now, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: here's Carson Wentz's chance to make a signature drive, like
Speaker 1: he needs that signature drive, like we need that holds
Speaker 1: onto the brake, and they haven't. They haven't had that moment.
Speaker 1: Whereas the Seahawks, like every week is the signature drive.
Speaker 1: They don't know how to do anything but win close
Speaker 1: games in the fourth quarter. That's all they do. I
Speaker 1: just say conversely, the Seahawks, who keep losing tight ends,
Speaker 1: for instance, turned Jacob Hollister in to a star player
Speaker 1: over the cause. I feel like Dan could go into
Speaker 1: the Seahawks offense and put up an eight line without
Speaker 1: any issues. And then you know, Josh Gordon showed up
Speaker 1: at the end of that Niners game and could be
Speaker 1: a factor for that team. They're adding these players at
Speaker 1: the right time. I I trust the Seahawks until they
Speaker 1: show me that they should not be trust. Tyler Lockett
Speaker 1: is uncertain for this game. Pete Carroll believes he will play,
Speaker 1: but Pete Carroll has been overly optimistic about players before.
Speaker 1: He didn't practice Wednesday. That's huge because, as West mentioned,
Speaker 1: it is a different Eagles defense since they've gotten Jurnagain back,
Speaker 1: they're better upfront, and then Ronald their cornerbacks are healthy,
Speaker 1: Mills and Darby and Darby especially played really well last
Speaker 1: week against the Patriots. Alright, uh, I thought about locking
Speaker 1: up the Seahawks. There, go for it. Kind of talk
Speaker 1: me out of it. I should do it together. I mean,
Speaker 1: don't listen. No, they were on different sides of the defenser.
Speaker 1: Don't listen to the guy that's four and seven. Let
Speaker 1: letting you talk. I'm gonna six game streak. Mark. What
Speaker 1: about the idea that the Eagles, even though they've been
Speaker 1: kind of on and off this season, they have a
Speaker 1: couple like out of nowhere big wins at Green Bay
Speaker 1: at Buffalo as another one coming. I I said that
Speaker 1: the Eagles would open six and oh, and I thought
Speaker 1: they were the most complete team in the NFC, and
Speaker 1: they just have been very underwhelming. I think that they're
Speaker 1: unpredictable and untrustworthy. It's a it's a weird lock. But
Speaker 1: if you and I went down Seahawks lock Boulevard, the
Speaker 1: one thing I say is, I just don't care if
Speaker 1: the Seahawks are on the road. I don't care if
Speaker 1: you put them in the middle of Russia. Out. Let's
Speaker 1: lock it up. Let's double lock up. There another double
Speaker 1: lock that. I feel like that is becoming a theme
Speaker 1: of the season, and it's nice. I think it's a
Speaker 1: nice thing. We're gonna win, all right, Next up, West,
Speaker 1: you have the second overall pick, West, who every time
Speaker 1: he would play in an expert league would come out
Speaker 1: with a W every time. First and the title. It's
Speaker 1: gonna a lot of part of fantasy. I'm gonna let
Speaker 1: that stand as the narrative because it's true. So, yes,
Speaker 1: we we got those those flat screens West from that
Speaker 1: I won, the league, got a flat screen. West took
Speaker 1: over the spot. The road spot got a flat screen.
Speaker 1: Still have it? You got the hardware, You're winning prizes,
Speaker 1: expensive valuable prizes. What do you get for winning it
Speaker 1: every year? Or winning it once? They won? You just
Speaker 1: had to keep passing it along the line to new
Speaker 1: road to World people because the road World people kept
Speaker 1: winning it. No, it was not a violation of company
Speaker 1: policy at road World where they didn't have rules. All right, West,
Speaker 1: you're up. I'm a little flam mixed, a little non
Speaker 1: plushed by Greg bypassing cowboys at Patriots. And the only
Speaker 1: explanation I have for it is that he's afraid of
Speaker 1: the cowboys. And does not want to watch the Patriots
Speaker 1: losing this game. You gotta learn how this game works,
Speaker 1: the picking the There's only two games in the afternoon,
Speaker 1: so it does. I'm gonna be watching it regardless. That's
Speaker 1: how you know. You gotta play the game in good
Speaker 1: faith though. That's all Okay, no, no, no, I'm saying
Speaker 1: it is. Just My point is there's a way to tritchy.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure I have the ten am
Speaker 1: games that I want because ultimately I'll work it that
Speaker 1: I'm covering this game. I miss red, Greg. He has
Speaker 1: a lot of confidence in his quarterback, who has a
Speaker 1: lower touchdown to interception ratio and passer rating than Mitchell
Speaker 1: Trabiskie and Mason Rudolph over the last seven games. Seven games.
Speaker 1: That is quite a sample size, Greg Rosenthal, and I
Speaker 1: don't think Brady is the problem. I think he's playing fine.
Speaker 1: I think it's everything else around him. Last last week,
Speaker 1: I think he was part of the problem. But that
Speaker 1: would be the first time I thought that all year
Speaker 1: that I think he had a really poor I think
Speaker 1: weather played more into that than we could see on TV,
Speaker 1: and I was I was thinking, Okay, this week, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe you get healthier, you do get Isaiah win back.
Speaker 1: He's going to be activated left tackle. Uh yeah, Isaiah
Speaker 1: Munus And that's fine. It's not really the past protection
Speaker 1: that's totally killed them. It's the running game. And to me,
Speaker 1: Burkehead is not an asset, and they need to get
Speaker 1: Sony Michelle going because he's the only one that can
Speaker 1: make people miss maybe on a running down, but the line.
Speaker 1: You know, your boy, Dante Scarnecki is having a tough
Speaker 1: year with some of these injuries that they've had, and
Speaker 1: they haven't been able to overcome it. In theory, this
Speaker 1: should be a matchup. Maybe you can run the ball
Speaker 1: a little bit. If I'm the Cowboys, I would be
Speaker 1: a little concerned that I saw both Scarborough and Jeff
Speaker 1: drisk Will be able to run it so well, especially
Speaker 1: Scarborough in the red zone. And I think what Tom
Speaker 1: Brady said about wanting to play to their defense, you
Speaker 1: need to have a running game for that. I mean
Speaker 1: you need if you want to have some longer drives
Speaker 1: like they are to one dimensional. I'm not saying that's
Speaker 1: everything they've gotten by with this. Okay running games over
Speaker 1: the years, but their thirtieth in the league and yards
Speaker 1: per carry and it's just it's hard to watch that
Speaker 1: they can't survive these second and eleven's third in in
Speaker 1: in Nines because they don't have guys on the outside
Speaker 1: who can catch and fillip their setser and Mohammed Sanu
Speaker 1: hurt his ankle that looked like a pretty serious ankle injury.
Speaker 1: I do not expect him to play multiple I mean,
Speaker 1: you're right, the Patriot, it's and you've been harping on
Speaker 1: this and I just naturally, because of we've been watching
Speaker 1: New England do this forever. I just expended expecting to
Speaker 1: round out and get through whatever known on paper issues
Speaker 1: they have. But their last four games on the ground
Speaker 1: seventy four, seventy nine, seventy four and seventy four yards,
Speaker 1: and it looks that way they they even the past,
Speaker 1: have been able at this time of year to start
Speaker 1: to pound on teams with a hundred and sixty a
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty two hundred yard performances where they dominate
Speaker 1: the time of possession, they dominate the clock, and I
Speaker 1: think that's obviously led to some of Tom Brady's issues.
Speaker 1: And you know, we can always point to Tom Brady
Speaker 1: is the guy unlike Peyton Manning back in the early
Speaker 1: two thousands that had no talent around him and still
Speaker 1: made it work. You get to a point where they
Speaker 1: their roster and their injuries and the depletion around him
Speaker 1: is is gonna put too much pressure on him to
Speaker 1: make plays that he's not making right now. Statistically, I
Speaker 1: think they can still turn it around though. And this yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if the Cowboys are an easy matchup
Speaker 1: or hard matchup on paper. You know there there, Look,
Speaker 1: they look pretty good up front to me. They certainly
Speaker 1: have a lot of talent. Defensively, it's really on their defense.
Speaker 1: The Patriots are fighting ways to win games. I do
Speaker 1: think they can get better offensively, but their defense, who
Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about this year, They're gonna be
Speaker 1: tested here in the span of five weeks, they play
Speaker 1: the Ravens, the Cowboys in the Chiefs. For my money,
Speaker 1: those are the three best offenses in the league. Kyle
Speaker 1: Vannoy is their best player up front, which is wild on.
Speaker 1: On a defense this good, they're gonna have to find
Speaker 1: a way to get pressure on Dak Prescott because there's
Speaker 1: just so many weapons. I I always trust offense in
Speaker 1: the NFL, not defense. That's why I don't I don't
Speaker 1: feel great about this game, at least not them as
Speaker 1: a heavy favorite. If you figure what Belichick usually does,
Speaker 1: I would imagine he puts Gilmore on Gallop and double
Speaker 1: teams of Marie Cooper and then says, beat me with
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb and Jason Witten. Sounds that sounds about right. Well,
Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott might beat you because you're getting up like
Speaker 1: five point two yards per carry. I think that is
Speaker 1: probably the risk they would take. You gotta try to
Speaker 1: stop this Cowboys passing attack. And I'm not saying Zeke
Speaker 1: looks bad, but he led the NFL and yards per
Speaker 1: game in his first season, is a rookie as a
Speaker 1: in his second season and in his third season, and
Speaker 1: he's nowhere nearer that this season. Second level, they're not
Speaker 1: as good a running team. They're they're a good running team.
Speaker 1: They're fine, but they're not what they used to be.
Speaker 1: And the Patriots at home, they have four held teams
Speaker 1: to fourteen points or fewer in seventh straight and it's
Speaker 1: that is legite not going to happen. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I'm with you that this is a
Speaker 1: tougher matchup the most. But what they've done to quarterbacks
Speaker 1: four touchdowns to nineteen picks this season, and their defense
Speaker 1: is not the defense earlier in the year that was
Speaker 1: scoring points left and right. But I love the matchup
Speaker 1: of Kellen Moore verse, not Bill Belichick, but Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: versus Steve Belichick. This is the future of the NFL
Speaker 1: coming at us right, more vers there you go more
Speaker 1: Verse the moment, perhaps it's perhaps it's an injury, but
Speaker 1: why are we in week twelve and Zeke Elliott is
Speaker 1: still not Why is he not making people miss? Like?
Speaker 1: What what's changed right now? I don't know. That's a
Speaker 1: good question. I don't think he looks as explosive. I
Speaker 1: also think some of those linemen are not blocking a
Speaker 1: ty Tyrant Smith find as a pass blocker according to
Speaker 1: ProFootball Focus, not having a good run blocking, and he's
Speaker 1: not healthy either. Trey Flowers really beat him pretty good
Speaker 1: last week. And Lyle Collins is questionable for this game,
Speaker 1: which I think is big for the Cowboys. Yeah, last week,
Speaker 1: watching the game, I thought you gotta keep Pollard in
Speaker 1: there because you can do a few things that Zeke can't,
Speaker 1: absolutely including make people miss that easily in the open field.
Speaker 1: That is a great backfield, But you gotta keep Pollard
Speaker 1: in the mix. That see money right now. That had
Speaker 1: to be one of the takeaways from last week's Cowboys game,
Speaker 1: as Pollard is underutilized. Moving on, I am going to
Speaker 1: go with a game in the NFC South, a Dirt
Speaker 1: Knapp game for one team. They gotta win the game,
Speaker 1: and it's a really tough assignment because they got the Saints.
Speaker 1: So it's the Panthers and Saints, um matchup between were
Speaker 1: the best young running backs in the league. Oh, that
Speaker 1: was the other mistake I made. You know, in hindsight
Speaker 1: it's a mistake, but picking third, I took Alvin Kamara,
Speaker 1: picking fourth Christian McCaffrey. One guy has a high ankle sprain,
Speaker 1: doesn't do anything all year. The other guy can't. Can't
Speaker 1: beat yourself up for that one. If you got the
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara of last week starting a week one till now,
Speaker 1: it would have been exactly He's back for the money
Speaker 1: time of the fantasy season. Um. Anyway, so you got
Speaker 1: Kamara versus McCaffrey. The problem, I guess is Drew Brees
Speaker 1: is against Kyle Allen. If you're a Panthers fan, and
Speaker 1: Kyle Allen is coming off um a game where he
Speaker 1: was not competitive. It was a twenty nine three loss
Speaker 1: to the Falcons. And I know Atlanta's revitalized on defense magically,
Speaker 1: almost suspiciously over the last two weeks. But you you
Speaker 1: wonder if if Kyle Allen this version, this slumping version
Speaker 1: of Kyle and Allen. Remember it wasn't so long ago
Speaker 1: we saw him in London. They had won five of six.
Speaker 1: He little juice to him. Maybe he wasn't, you know,
Speaker 1: playing extremely well, but he was part of a winning team.
Speaker 1: Do they have it in them to go to the
Speaker 1: Superdome and keep their season alive against the Saints? Team
Speaker 1: eight and two got back on track a little bit
Speaker 1: last week, uh in Tampa thanks to Jamis Winston a
Speaker 1: lot of help from him in that game. UH So,
Speaker 1: I think this could be a good game because one
Speaker 1: team is very desperate. Uh And we'll see how it
Speaker 1: plays out. I don't think they can the Panthers, to
Speaker 1: answer your question, because the Saints are superior in the ways, uh,
Speaker 1: like on the offensive line and the toughness of their
Speaker 1: defense and even rushing the passer. I would say that
Speaker 1: the Panthers used to be better than the Saints. These
Speaker 1: two teams have played a lot of good games over
Speaker 1: the years. They played in the playoffs a few years ago,
Speaker 1: and that was the Panther's edge was they were a
Speaker 1: little tougher, they could protect pretty well. And now it's
Speaker 1: the Saints. To me that Okay, Breeze throws those sideline
Speaker 1: creepers that uh that West said, and I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta give West credit because there were a couple last
Speaker 1: week that back to back outs that he threw to
Speaker 1: the opposite halts that you were like, oh wow, I
Speaker 1: mean that was interesting. Uh. And they didn't try anything
Speaker 1: like that the rest of we But it sort of
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. They they have turned the ball over less
Speaker 1: than any team in the league. They have a great
Speaker 1: offensive line. They now got Kamara running in full flow.
Speaker 1: It's a very complete team. I'm not that worried about
Speaker 1: breeze arm strength because I think it's just a really
Speaker 1: good team so much more completely. I throw in Jared Cooked.
Speaker 1: Two looked healthy and athletic last week and they needed
Speaker 1: they needed that. And you know, they've gone through this
Speaker 1: stretch with a with Kamara not at full strength, without
Speaker 1: Jared Cook without Drew Brees. They're getting healthy at the
Speaker 1: right time. And they when they went up twenty nothing
Speaker 1: on the Bucks last week. I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of Tampa Bay issues going on there, but to me,
Speaker 1: I that was the Saints team I've been waiting to
Speaker 1: see all year and you have. I don't if Carolina
Speaker 1: wins this and you're I think teams are getting more
Speaker 1: and more tape on the quarterback there, and and that's
Speaker 1: different than when he was making his second or third start.
Speaker 1: They're learning about how to get to him and how
Speaker 1: to deal with You know, if you're Christian McCaffrey is
Speaker 1: their entire offense, and if you can if you can
Speaker 1: keep that in check, you're good. I don't want to
Speaker 1: see any more Curtis Samuel breakout articles next offseason. I'm
Speaker 1: done with the Curtis Samuel break out. How come d J.
Speaker 1: Moore can get a hundred yards every week with Kyle
Speaker 1: Allen at quarterback, but Curtis Samuel hasn't gotten a hundred
Speaker 1: yards in a game all season. Well, mars a more complete,
Speaker 1: solid receiver. He's the guy that you know, Steve Smith said,
Speaker 1: reminds me of me. Uh and he's I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's a top ten in the NFL receiver at
Speaker 1: any point, but he's a really good about runner and
Speaker 1: a solid starting receiver. He makes more sense to me
Speaker 1: as a true number one type of guy for them,
Speaker 1: And and David Tepper says he doesn't want to do
Speaker 1: with mediocrity. This isn't mediocrity there five and five, But
Speaker 1: they're twenty seven in d v O A. They're down
Speaker 1: there with the dregs of the league. It's not a
Speaker 1: special defense. And to you know, to defend Allen a
Speaker 1: little bit, it's like Greg Little. They put back in
Speaker 1: the lineup last week and left tackle and he just
Speaker 1: got destroyed. I think They're line has struggled, and sometimes
Speaker 1: that is partly on the quarterback, Like I think Donald's
Speaker 1: ruggles some of this year at least like a little
Speaker 1: bit on because when you're that young, you're not used
Speaker 1: to being able to set protections and do all these
Speaker 1: sorts of things that a veteran like Cam Newton could do,
Speaker 1: and you don't. You just don't even expect a second
Speaker 1: year guy like Alan or Donald to be experts at
Speaker 1: doing at this point, Uh, did we fork the Panthers
Speaker 1: on two yeah with with without looking back, no no concerns.
Speaker 1: They go and Mark, you're up all right? Well, uh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just say this and you can disagree with me.
Speaker 1: This slate of games this week is I feel like
Speaker 1: the first time we've hit a point where there is
Speaker 1: not a lot of hotness to choose from. Some of
Speaker 1: these are matchups between two teams. All the good ones
Speaker 1: are in the prime time games are great. I think
Speaker 1: there's some time there are five great games for once,
Speaker 1: but that means that there's a lot of well they've
Speaker 1: been picked at this point. So I I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: where my heart is, and it's you know, we talked
Speaker 1: about another team right on the edge of existence and
Speaker 1: potentially close to extension extinction if they don't make it happy,
Speaker 1: and is the Browns at home against Miami, and I
Speaker 1: what I want to see is how they respond to
Speaker 1: obviously a Steelers game full of tumult full of chaos,
Speaker 1: and what came out of it was the tipping point.
Speaker 1: And I've expected this in many ways, and it's not everyone,
Speaker 1: but for those who wanted to just finally unleash on
Speaker 1: the Browns experience of this season for multiple reasons. The
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett scenario at the end of Thursday Night Football,
Speaker 1: which was a total circus, gave you full right to
Speaker 1: because this is a team that the B line and
Speaker 1: I look at the Dolphins and the Browns is very
Speaker 1: different in a couple of ways. The Dolphins, you can
Speaker 1: look at them the first couple of months and say
Speaker 1: they were an absolute mess. You look at the last month.
Speaker 1: They are disciplined. The Browns are not disciplined. The Dolphins
Speaker 1: do not kill themselves with penalties. The Browns have been
Speaker 1: doing that up until a couple of weeks ago. I
Speaker 1: I truly wonder who the better coach in this game
Speaker 1: is because what I'm seeing week to week and having
Speaker 1: tracked the Dolphins, you know, just out of curiosity, is
Speaker 1: that Brian Flores is one thing they can build on
Speaker 1: now that can change by next season. I just believe
Speaker 1: in that coach and Freddie Kitchen's week after week in game,
Speaker 1: I believe has been outdueled and their defense was dominant
Speaker 1: against a bad quarterback Mason Rudolph and again at Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: last week. What they had to do in this one
Speaker 1: is make up for the fact that you lost in
Speaker 1: the course of three hours, Miles Garrett, Larry Ogunjobi your safety,
Speaker 1: Morgan Burnett and I realized this player is not valuable,
Speaker 1: and they made the decision on their own. But depth
Speaker 1: of wide receiver in Antonio callaway. You've lost three core
Speaker 1: defenders who were starters and major contributors. Myles Garrett had
Speaker 1: a higher pressure rate than basically anyone in the league.
Speaker 1: I was doing more for Cleveland than almost any defensive
Speaker 1: player is doing for their own team. At this point,
Speaker 1: he is a huge unmask double loss. And at this
Speaker 1: point you just take Nick Chubb and say we're gonna
Speaker 1: run you and use Kareem Hunt the wave in using him,
Speaker 1: and you attack Miami from start to finish on the ground.
Speaker 1: That's my guests, and I think it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: closer game than anyone in Cleveland would want, and they
Speaker 1: will take care of business. But they're not gonna win
Speaker 1: games and blowouts. They're just not gonna do it. If
Speaker 1: we lowered the bar of the Texans when J. J.
Speaker 1: Watt went out, I feel like it's fair to do
Speaker 1: the same thing with the Browns. How important Garrett is
Speaker 1: to that defense, I'd say even more so, though, But
Speaker 1: it's not this game. The Dolphins have an XFL caliber
Speaker 1: offensive line, they are brutal, they are terrible, and all
Speaker 1: those players you mentioned the Browns missing, so now they're
Speaker 1: only five times as talented as as the Dolphins, and
Speaker 1: they've not been living up to their drive. That's my
Speaker 1: issue with Cleveland. I don't care about the talent, they've
Speaker 1: not lived up to it outside of the running backs.
Speaker 1: But I understand what Mark saying, because if you have
Speaker 1: Garrett and Ogan job, this is a game that because
Speaker 1: of that defensive line, and because Fitzpatrick, even when it's
Speaker 1: going well, has to overcome so much. That's why I
Speaker 1: think he's really just played outstanding this year, even a
Speaker 1: game like last week. I mean, he this year is
Speaker 1: a feather in his kid. He did what he could.
Speaker 1: You would just think the Browns would dominate it so much,
Speaker 1: kind of like they did against Pittsburgh. Then it almost
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what happens on offense, they'll get enough. Whereas
Speaker 1: now you're missing a couple of pieces. Could Fitzpatrick make
Speaker 1: up the plays and and make this one uncomfortable? I
Speaker 1: I respect Floris enough to think it can. He's he's
Speaker 1: he hasn't found many players to to hold onto for
Speaker 1: next year. But one of them that he has his
Speaker 1: Nick need Him, an undrafted free agent rookie who since
Speaker 1: Week seven is tied for the number one cornerback in
Speaker 1: the NFL in Pro Football focuses ratings, And so how
Speaker 1: about the need Him Beckham matchup? That would be big time.
Speaker 1: One of them is not Calin Balage. I watched him,
Speaker 1: and I want a refund. I want to watch a
Speaker 1: real running back. Nine carries for nine yards. I believe
Speaker 1: this week he has a chance to set the all
Speaker 1: time record for yards per carry. No one over a
Speaker 1: certain threshold, maybe it's a hundred. Uh has ever averaged
Speaker 1: under two yards per carry? Which is where he is
Speaker 1: at for the season, So he can make some history. Uh.
Speaker 1: And let's give a little credit to DeVante Parker after
Speaker 1: seven different making the leaps, uh, you know offseason tropes,
Speaker 1: he's finally made the leap in his sixth season. I
Speaker 1: believe Mark Walton was a big loss in their backfield
Speaker 1: when he's been did well. They needed to after what
Speaker 1: happened last week. And then yeah that he had a
Speaker 1: domestic violence incident that he was connected to which led
Speaker 1: to his release. And I'm just seeing four hours ago
Speaker 1: posted on TMZ nfls Mark Walton bizarrely skips and sprints
Speaker 1: out of jail after battery arrests. So, uh, that's no
Speaker 1: something's going on there. And to be clear, we're taping
Speaker 1: this before we know the appeal. Uh answer on Ogan
Speaker 1: Job and Garrett, which the league plans to put down
Speaker 1: or notify everyone before this game, so they'll probably have
Speaker 1: an answer for it on Friday. Maybe there's a chance
Speaker 1: oken Job plays. By the way, I think I thought
Speaker 1: open Jovis was held up, but they are waiting still.
Speaker 1: On Miles Garrett, I have been I am corrected. Let's
Speaker 1: do a little breaking news. As we were taping Myles Garrett,
Speaker 1: it's indefinite band has been upheld and Markue's pouncey of
Speaker 1: the Steelers had his reduced to two games. So little date.
Speaker 1: There you go, Uh, Mark, let's go through it. They
Speaker 1: have six games to play, they've won two in a row. There,
Speaker 1: four and six. Just give me win or loss? You ready,
Speaker 1: home Miami at Pittsburgh. That game is gonna be crazy.
Speaker 1: Um loss? Okay? Five and seven home Cincinnati? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: six and seven at Arizona win. I don't feel great
Speaker 1: about even in seven home Baltimore loss, seven and eight?
Speaker 1: Are you going against Cincinnati on the road win? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so eight and eight is what you say? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think they're a playoff team with the way that
Speaker 1: they've gone through this season. That's not exactly going out
Speaker 1: on a limb. All right, it's snakes to you. Where
Speaker 1: do I claim? Right? Just what I see? Uh wow?
Speaker 1: In another just a corner copy of excitement to pick
Speaker 1: from here. But I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take the late Jacksonville at Tennessee game out and now
Speaker 1: you know what I'm good. Yeah, you guys are critical
Speaker 1: of my uh four pm? Anyways, go ahead, No, I mean,
Speaker 1: I hope that didn't step on your toes with that pick.
Speaker 1: But I'm interested in this, and you know this is
Speaker 1: low hanging fruit. But I want to see Nick Foles
Speaker 1: and uh him progressing. You know, I thought about one
Speaker 1: thing is that to go through what Nick Foles went through,
Speaker 1: to suffer broken bones and come back and want everyone
Speaker 1: wanting him to light it up right away and be
Speaker 1: the super Bowl nick Foles on a team that he
Speaker 1: was with the Eagles that had the greatest you know,
Speaker 1: tight end duo in a while to play in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and he's got nothing at that position right now.
Speaker 1: They just lost Josh Oliver has been sent to I R.
Speaker 1: They've got nobody playing at that position, and D D.
Speaker 1: Westbrook is not expected. Well, he didn't practice Thursday, so
Speaker 1: he could be out. So it's Fules and DJ Shark.
Speaker 1: And what concerns me about the Jaguars is how they
Speaker 1: were absolutely run over stampeded last week to run defense
Speaker 1: two sixty four yards by the Colts. And now you
Speaker 1: got Derrick Henry and I just trust Tennessee's I will
Speaker 1: almost wanted to lock up the Titans, which I don't
Speaker 1: think I've ever done on this show. But we have
Speaker 1: to lock a game. We do at some point you do.
Speaker 1: But I, I just this feels to me. If Tennessee
Speaker 1: wants to go flip flop win loss, win lost, if
Speaker 1: you at one point want to start to build some momentum,
Speaker 1: this is where you do with with Derrick Henry and
Speaker 1: you get the job done. And Ryan Tannehill has been
Speaker 1: more of a big play quarterback than we've really ever
Speaker 1: seen from person number two in that position up the Titans. Yes,
Speaker 1: I I lost the lock on Titans Jaguars back in
Speaker 1: Week three, very different teams back then, Gardner Minshew and
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota in a rainstorm that Jack's d had Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey back then, and although they didn't because he was
Speaker 1: sitting out right, who knows. I think they really miss
Speaker 1: even as much as Jalen Ramsey Telvin Smith. Uh, that's
Speaker 1: part of like the read like their linebacker core has
Speaker 1: been totally victimized in the running game and sometimes in
Speaker 1: the passing He Miles Jack is a guy who they
Speaker 1: believe in as a core guy who's not having his
Speaker 1: best season, and maybe it's partly because he doesn't have
Speaker 1: his tag team partner Telvin Smith, he retired out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: who just made so many plays in pursuit for that team.
Speaker 1: And you're right there. Their defense just isn't it's not
Speaker 1: even it's an average defense. And it's just another reminder
Speaker 1: it's tough to build around epic defenses because who have
Speaker 1: been the most epic defenses in the last few years.
Speaker 1: Jaguars in seventeen, Bears in eighteen. You know, those those
Speaker 1: were one time thing. It's so hard to ruin it
Speaker 1: back the next right, they ran it back that as
Speaker 1: good and then now they're just now, they're just back
Speaker 1: to kind of normal. Even when the Jaguars had Telvin
Speaker 1: Smith and they were the best defense in the league,
Speaker 1: they had issues with the Titans. The eight and eight,
Speaker 1: nine and seven Titans whatever they were, would go in
Speaker 1: and beat sweep them when they were at their best.
Speaker 1: And I think that Derrick Henry is gonna be a
Speaker 1: handful for this defense, which allows I believe, five point
Speaker 1: three yards per carry on the season. One the reason
Speaker 1: Henry where Henry went off. Henry's had a good year,
Speaker 1: and uh, I think they lean on him now more
Speaker 1: than ever. They don't even play Deon Lewis barely. And
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I worry about Nick Foles
Speaker 1: keeping up in a shootout is just Cam Robinson and
Speaker 1: Joan Taylor. Their two tackles are ranked fifty two and
Speaker 1: sixty nine out of about eighty, you know, tackles, So
Speaker 1: that's what that's also one of the worst tackle groups
Speaker 1: in the league. And if you wanted to make an
Speaker 1: argument for Minshew, it's it's Foals getting hit last week,
Speaker 1: which he did quite a bit, just kind of standing
Speaker 1: there and it reminded me of that kind of trope
Speaker 1: where people are always like those running quarterbacks. You know
Speaker 1: it's a risky they're gonna get hurt at some point.
Speaker 1: It's just like guys who get hit hard a lot
Speaker 1: are the guys who get hurt. And it's like, now
Speaker 1: there's no rule to it, because like Tom Brady doesn't
Speaker 1: get hit because he gets rid of the ball or
Speaker 1: he moves. Peyton Manning was good at that. The guys
Speaker 1: like foals who have no mobility but stand there and
Speaker 1: choke some courage but then just get destroyed. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's one way to get hit hurt too. Derrick Henry
Speaker 1: feels underrated. He is since last December he leads the
Speaker 1: league in rushing and touchdowns. He's also I believe set
Speaker 1: to be a free agent. Seems like a guy that
Speaker 1: the Titans up. There's some Leonard four Nette to his game,
Speaker 1: where the script has to be to his liking in
Speaker 1: order for him to dominate, and he can disappear for
Speaker 1: long stretches of time. Better version than of four net
Speaker 1: though he's shown. Um all right to the old Zeuser
Speaker 1: Raiders at Jets is my pick easy for a couple
Speaker 1: of reasons. Um, I do want to see the Raiders
Speaker 1: in a trap game once. The last time the Raiders
Speaker 1: have been in a trap game two two. It was
Speaker 1: week fifteen of two thousand two. The Raiders were in
Speaker 1: the trap. No they it's been it feels like it's
Speaker 1: been a minute and uh last week. That may actually
Speaker 1: be the case, unless you go back to the playoff
Speaker 1: year from a couple and they play the Bengals last week,
Speaker 1: if you wanted to make a case for that. But
Speaker 1: a trap game and you're looking ahead to the next opponent,
Speaker 1: that's good. Isn't that what a trap game is? Well,
Speaker 1: I view a trap game, is you, Yeah, you look
Speaker 1: at they would look past the Jets. I mean the
Speaker 1: Bengals slung around that. It's just like a game you're
Speaker 1: expected to win, but this much more dangerous because the
Speaker 1: Jets actually have a quarterback and it's on the road. Alright,
Speaker 1: So here we are here, here are the Raiders. Yeah,
Speaker 1: coming off a game against Cincinnati. Cincinnati gave up more
Speaker 1: points than anyone in the league on a weekly basis,
Speaker 1: and somehow at home, the Raiders scored seventeen and squeaked
Speaker 1: by UM. And I wonder what that's about, um, Because
Speaker 1: as good as a story as the Raiders are are
Speaker 1: they a team that could be vulnerable to I know
Speaker 1: they're six and four, um, but on the road against
Speaker 1: a Jets team that is by no means a good
Speaker 1: team but has shown flashes of confidence. And they're coming
Speaker 1: off back to back wins off teams that are combined
Speaker 1: three and seventeen, So that's important to keep in mind.
Speaker 1: But also, um, it seems like we're starting to get
Speaker 1: some actual progress on the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: Their offensive line has been better. Ryan Khalil to two
Speaker 1: big swings and missus by Joe Douglas, which I don't
Speaker 1: kill him for because he kind of had to hit
Speaker 1: the ground running and improvised to try to find ways
Speaker 1: to improve the line, and neither move worked. Colletchi assembly
Speaker 1: didn't work at guard and then it led to behind
Speaker 1: the scenes drama about an injury and he eventually was released.
Speaker 1: Matt Khalil. They gave him eight million dollars, said we
Speaker 1: need a veteran center to stabilize the line and also
Speaker 1: work with our young quarterback. And on paper again and
Speaker 1: and logically it was like, oh, this is a good move,
Speaker 1: this was a smart It was a disaster. Not only
Speaker 1: was Khalil Uh not close to the player he was
Speaker 1: UH with the Panthers. Apparently his his style of play
Speaker 1: in his the way he goes about the position. UH
Speaker 1: led to some confusion and was part of the reason
Speaker 1: why that line seems so out of sync is what
Speaker 1: we're hearing coming out of the Jets. So Jonathan Harrison
Speaker 1: has replaced him at center. So there's some stability now
Speaker 1: UH on that line, which should help again against the Raiders.
Speaker 1: Max Crosby as a guy to look out for it.
Speaker 1: You want to talk about this the baby Raiders man
Speaker 1: every week It's it sounds like a tired storyline, but
Speaker 1: it keeps happening every week. These guys come out and
Speaker 1: have big games. And Max Crosby had four sacks last week.
Speaker 1: He had a huge Thursday night game the week before UH.
Speaker 1: In terms of pressures. UH. He is a rising guy
Speaker 1: and just another example of what Mike Mayock and John
Speaker 1: Gruden have been able to do building a young core
Speaker 1: very quickly. I feel like that's the difference between like
Speaker 1: the Raiders and the Jets is having a rookie class
Speaker 1: come in on both sides of the ball and stay
Speaker 1: you know, outside of the safety, stay healthy, and contribute
Speaker 1: every one of them. They what would the Raiders be
Speaker 1: without Josh Jacobs right now? I mean they they They
Speaker 1: are leaning on these guys and they're contributing. He runs
Speaker 1: downhill like the field is tilted. I get more impressed
Speaker 1: with him. Every week there's six and one in one
Speaker 1: score games the Raiders, which means they haven't won a
Speaker 1: single game all year UH by more than eight points,
Speaker 1: which to me is a sign of a team that's
Speaker 1: you know, had the right schedule and has learned how
Speaker 1: to win close games, but is beatable, that has had
Speaker 1: some good fortune. And I do think this is the
Speaker 1: trap game. I picked the Jets uh in my game
Speaker 1: Picks column because I don't think the Raiders have much
Speaker 1: of a pass rush. I think if you've got a
Speaker 1: pass rush, I just don't trust this Jets offense to
Speaker 1: do anything. But I don't think the Raiders really do.
Speaker 1: I think Crosby has been really good, but he's not
Speaker 1: gonna keep me up at night. He did a lot
Speaker 1: of his damage against one of the worst tackles in
Speaker 1: the league last week, and it was nice to seem
Speaker 1: Sam Donald do Sam Donald things last week. A lot
Speaker 1: of beautiful throws. They got him on the move more,
Speaker 1: they're throwing the ball short more. You know, it's less
Speaker 1: Robby Anderson, which is, you know, bad for him, he's
Speaker 1: having a terrible free agent uh contract a year if
Speaker 1: he was looking to get paid next year. Good for
Speaker 1: the community. But I just think it's is like a
Speaker 1: coin flip game. In the Raiders luck is, uh is
Speaker 1: they don't feel like a team that's gonna like win
Speaker 1: every single week. It's where don't I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: feel that good about typical trap game because next week
Speaker 1: the Raiders are at Kansas City, and think about that.
Speaker 1: If they don't, if they stumble and get beat by
Speaker 1: the Jets, they're staring at six and six, uh potentially
Speaker 1: if they don't um stage a big win on the
Speaker 1: road in Kansas City. So this is a big They
Speaker 1: did a nice job. They had that home stand out
Speaker 1: of that long, long, long road trip, and they swept
Speaker 1: the homestand against Lions, Chargers Bengals. But now this will
Speaker 1: be a real challenge, well know, three weeks from now,
Speaker 1: whether the Raiders are a team that you know could
Speaker 1: make suse I would say this flip forget. On the
Speaker 1: other side of the trap game is the Jets, who
Speaker 1: are probably in the wrong division because they just went
Speaker 1: three and one against the NFC East, But you could
Speaker 1: change the vibe of a season that's gotten pretty dark
Speaker 1: at times if the Jets knockout Oakland. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that there are answers here or that you necessarily want
Speaker 1: the coach to stick around and outa casee. But if
Speaker 1: they can pick up from here, and the Raiders have
Speaker 1: been one of the teams that have given up more
Speaker 1: twenty plus completion yards and forty plus you can you
Speaker 1: can strike on them through the air. Would be a
Speaker 1: three game winning and by the way, after that, they
Speaker 1: go at Cincinnati whole Miami, So yes, everything changed. The
Speaker 1: whole narrative around this Jet season changes. If they win
Speaker 1: against Oakland's would make me lock them up like I'm
Speaker 1: that this week? Well oh yeah, let's I want to
Speaker 1: see if if this game shows us exactly why Levian
Speaker 1: Bell did not get traded, did not get the paid
Speaker 1: a he thought he was gonna get because Josh Jacobs
Speaker 1: is so much better than him. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's a more boring running back in the league to
Speaker 1: watch right now than Levion Bell. A lot of three
Speaker 1: yard runs a year. There's just doesn't have a yard
Speaker 1: run uh this year. I mean you're right when you
Speaker 1: when you saw Billy Powell and last week you're like
Speaker 1: that a little extra Josh Adams gotta gotta carry and
Speaker 1: I think it was called back on penalty, but he
Speaker 1: shot out of a cannon compared to Levy on Bill. Alright,
Speaker 1: moving on, it is now time for Chris Wesley to
Speaker 1: make a selection. I'm gonna go with the Broncos at
Speaker 1: the Bills. Broncos at the Bill. Fun game. It could
Speaker 1: be a fun game, and the Bills might be right
Speaker 1: for the picking. I liked how well they played last week,
Speaker 1: but they are riding so high, beating a bad team
Speaker 1: to a pulp, talking about comparing it to a Thanksgiving feast.
Speaker 1: That's how much we ate out there today against the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: Give me a break, Bills. That's the that's the only
Speaker 1: offensive line that could make your defensive line look good.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. And they were talking up this Tremaine Edwin's
Speaker 1: speech speech and I like a second year linebacker kind
Speaker 1: of you know, stepping into a leadership role. But after
Speaker 1: the game they were talking about it like it was
Speaker 1: you know, it was new Rockney or something. Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're playing the Dolphins, like if they if they beat
Speaker 1: the Broncos. I mean, it's the best team they've beaten.
Speaker 1: Is this the best team they've beaten all year? I
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess they beat the Titans. The Titans
Speaker 1: would be the best team they do. And I I
Speaker 1: expect the Bills to win at home, but I just
Speaker 1: don't think it'll be easy. I think the I think
Speaker 1: these teams are much closer than their records would suggest
Speaker 1: they are. I think Denver's offense. So we've all seen
Speaker 1: this and talked about it over the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: Their parts are starting to play the way that you
Speaker 1: would have hoped with Philip Lindsay, Cortland, Sutton has been
Speaker 1: awesome obviously. Noah font finally has woken up and had
Speaker 1: big plays. You know, this is a tough game for
Speaker 1: the Bills and they've only crossed thirty points twice all year,
Speaker 1: and it's to the Dolphins built times, to your to
Speaker 1: your point right there, and you just can't trust them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had long touchdown drives last week and it's really
Speaker 1: the only time all season where you could count on
Speaker 1: them to score touchdowns versus field goals. But the Broncos
Speaker 1: can make this tough. I could see this being like
Speaker 1: sixteen to thirteen. Buffalo ekes it out, and Stephen House
Speaker 1: has not exactly been an ace in the whole either.
Speaker 1: I like the aggressiveness though. Two things that the Bill's
Speaker 1: coaching staff did, which is just they blitz a lot more.
Speaker 1: They're not getting much pass rush pressure, and you have
Speaker 1: such a good veteran secondary get creative, which I think
Speaker 1: you can do against Brandon Allen in a in a
Speaker 1: pretty bad offensive line. And then more importantly, I think
Speaker 1: they leaned into Josh Allen's running nobility a little more elastic.
Speaker 1: That's what he does best, and he sells the hell
Speaker 1: out of a fake. You know, I'm always killing Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: but man, he is one of the best that those
Speaker 1: run action plays where the defense gets confused because he's
Speaker 1: so great at faking it. He's very good at running.
Speaker 1: That's why they're so good in the red zone. It's like,
Speaker 1: that's what he does the best. Just lean into it.
Speaker 1: Let him be Cam Newton, you know, not right, label
Speaker 1: was creative, Like that's when they've been at their most fun,
Speaker 1: and that's when I'd be the most afraid of them
Speaker 1: is when they're running him as much as possible. Sixteen
Speaker 1: of their twenty two first downs came by his arm
Speaker 1: or his legs. He was sort of a one man gang.
Speaker 1: I mean, John Browne had a great game too, but
Speaker 1: that was Devin Singletary's worst game, I think. And he's
Speaker 1: playing snaps and I think four straight weeks, which means
Speaker 1: Frank Gore has used, like Greg said, only in short
Speaker 1: yardage unsolicited advice to the Bills. They bought themselves a
Speaker 1: nice little bit of rope here with the seven and
Speaker 1: three start. Win this game, get the eight and three
Speaker 1: because it closes out pretty tough at Dallas home, Baltimore
Speaker 1: at Pittsburgh at New England home Jets. Get yourself that
Speaker 1: eighth win and give yourself a little bit of wiggle
Speaker 1: room if things get hairy in December. I think it's
Speaker 1: a big week for the a f C wild Card
Speaker 1: race because of that. The Bills and the Raiders both
Speaker 1: in spots where if they don't win this week where
Speaker 1: they're favored, then that they could really fall off the map.
Speaker 1: And team like teams like Mars Brown's rise up. Who knows,
Speaker 1: maybe the Jets do it with that. We talked about
Speaker 1: potentially forking the Browns. They're not dead yet. Like wait,
Speaker 1: I thought you just said there eight and eighth this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's a month plus from now. That's not forking
Speaker 1: them yet. And I, by the way, I could either
Speaker 1: for either. Well, what a lucky guy I am. I've
Speaker 1: got the best team in football still on the door.
Speaker 1: It's the Atlanta Falcons at home that I can here
Speaker 1: about this. Well, technically we haven't gotten to it. We
Speaker 1: haven't gotten to the first ones. That was Dan, that's
Speaker 1: on you. You just look sleepy. When I looked over
Speaker 1: to you. Dan immediately name drops the producer. I'm just
Speaker 1: in the comments section. Oh, what's going on over there?
Speaker 1: Let's let's take a quick pause, Greg to check in
Speaker 1: with the comments. This is streaming live on YouTube. Get excited. Yeah,
Speaker 1: someone said I lock up Greg giving a hot take
Speaker 1: and then backing out of locking it up, and they
Speaker 1: were correct. WHOA, what do you mean? No? I mean,
Speaker 1: how is that that's not a hot time. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying they're gonna win a game. He doesn't mean you could?
Speaker 1: Was that? Nick Wesley also trying to get right up
Speaker 1: the you know they want a lock so bad. They
Speaker 1: want a spicy lock. Here we go. How about let's
Speaker 1: go down to lock up the Falcons. You know I
Speaker 1: was doing that the whole time. When you can lock
Speaker 1: up a three and seven team, you gotta do it
Speaker 1: every time. Twice on Sunday. The Falcons have a plus
Speaker 1: sixty scoring differential since halftime of the Seahawks game to
Speaker 1: half weeks ago. How about that. I don't think they'll
Speaker 1: necessarily keep that up, but I do like the matchup
Speaker 1: against as the fantasy heads would say, a pass funnel
Speaker 1: as strong as the Bucks, which is like you've gotta
Speaker 1: you've gotta running. You know, great run defense, but terrible passing.
Speaker 1: That's a pass funnel. Oh you want to invite Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan to throw the ball fifty times? I love it.
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure Julio Jones is playing in
Speaker 1: this game. He did return to practice on Thursday. That's huge.
Speaker 1: They still without Austin Hooper, which worries me, but I
Speaker 1: do think they're just a much more complete team than
Speaker 1: the Bucks. Maybe they're not gonna dominate defensively the rest
Speaker 1: of the year, but I do think Matt Ryan and
Speaker 1: the offense is gonna be really good, and they're going
Speaker 1: up against Jameis Winston and they'll get pressure on him.
Speaker 1: And I think the most disappointing thing as a Winston fan,
Speaker 1: based on what I thought about him as a rookie,
Speaker 1: is his pocket presence. As West would put it, he
Speaker 1: called him a gangly giraft back there. I thought his
Speaker 1: pocket presence was kind of one of his strengths because
Speaker 1: on some place he does have that great movement where
Speaker 1: he buys time for himself. But I think as he's
Speaker 1: gotten more mature in the league, he seems more frenetic, uh,
Speaker 1: and that skill set has gotten worse. And I think
Speaker 1: that's not gonna work. Mark that. I mean no disrespect.
Speaker 1: You know I love you. I'm jumping out of our
Speaker 1: lock and I'm jumping over to Falcons Nation. I'm I'm excited.
Speaker 1: I want it. I love this game for the Falcons.
Speaker 1: And you know what, you know what else he needs
Speaker 1: to be known right here? He's going for a double lock. Wait, no,
Speaker 1: that's not a thing. What needs to be remembered here,
Speaker 1: Not only there is the Atlanta Falcons defense. Now West
Speaker 1: bears some people, Um, Jamison Winston is coming up on
Speaker 1: a very Uh, sobering century milestone. He has ninety eight
Speaker 1: turnovers in less than five seasons. He's gonna set that
Speaker 1: mark in the building where you can get a hot
Speaker 1: dog and a beer for five bucks in the in
Speaker 1: the modern risk averse NFL, it's hard to have that
Speaker 1: many turnovers, uh, and not get bench. They've had endless
Speaker 1: um faith in Winston to turn around. He just he's
Speaker 1: just so sloppy. And it's it's proven now that Bruce
Speaker 1: arians as respected as he is as an offensive he
Speaker 1: couldn't fixed him either. One of my not looking too
Speaker 1: far ahead and we're in the middle of the seas still,
Speaker 1: but who is gonna buy in on Jameis Winson in
Speaker 1: the offseason? And what will they buy in him as
Speaker 1: as a backup quarterback or like the guy like A
Speaker 1: with a first round pick that's ultimately gonna be the guy.
Speaker 1: I would like to see him at some point with
Speaker 1: like A. I don't think he's the worst starter in
Speaker 1: the league. He's just he's closer to that. He does
Speaker 1: make a lot of places. He's just they've given up twenties.
Speaker 1: Here's another record breaking day that they could have on Sunday.
Speaker 1: They've given up twenty seven points in eight straight games.
Speaker 1: They're only the third team ever to do that. They
Speaker 1: can break the record by giving up twenty seven on Sunday.
Speaker 1: That's what reminds me the Bucks. To me, they are production,
Speaker 1: not wins, points not wins. It's like you get you
Speaker 1: get these big numbers years in a row, and they
Speaker 1: see to be the same thing. This year, you're getting
Speaker 1: pass rush, but it's not changing the game either. Went
Speaker 1: to your point on Winston, his eighteen picks are the
Speaker 1: second most by any player through ten games in over
Speaker 1: two decades. I mean he's killing them with his blackup
Speaker 1: pocket presence with you never keep your job this long
Speaker 1: to be able to throw thirty interceptions. It's it's got
Speaker 1: to be a couple of different factors in place to
Speaker 1: let it happen. And that could be where we like
Speaker 1: his tenure, unless he does get benched. Uh finally, but
Speaker 1: who knows. If his tenure ends with a thirty interception season,
Speaker 1: it would be so fitting uh and the and two
Speaker 1: for the Bucks, as as bad as that is, and
Speaker 1: as the idea of oh my god, we invested so
Speaker 1: much time in this guy and believe them for there's
Speaker 1: no decision It's like, we're not gonna be on the
Speaker 1: fence about this guy anymore. It just didn't work and
Speaker 1: you gotta move on. You get a compensatory pick for him.
Speaker 1: How about that one question, Greg about your Falcons as
Speaker 1: of week? Do you have more confidence in their defense
Speaker 1: or in an offense with no running game and no
Speaker 1: Austin Hooper. I would say the offense still because it's
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan and Julio Jones and Calvin Ridley, trust that
Speaker 1: passing game, trust that quarter. And I never thought I'd
Speaker 1: be asking that question, but but here we are. Don't
Speaker 1: get them to what back out of this lock that
Speaker 1: is due? Feel really good? I felt conflicted about that one.
Speaker 1: Are our lock? Mark this one? There weren't a lot
Speaker 1: of obvious ones on the board. I don't feel this
Speaker 1: isn't the safest one in the world. I'll agree with
Speaker 1: that Mark. Coming out of Sunday, people are gonna be
Speaker 1: talking about Brian Schottenheimer was getting head coach interviews after
Speaker 1: they wax the Eagles. All right, now we snake back.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and um, I really did not do a
Speaker 1: good job drafting. I take I take take it back, West.
Speaker 1: I should have just taken that Cowboys. Uh, I didn't
Speaker 1: see whole that's your whole story. Yeah, I blew it
Speaker 1: because I'm taking because I didn't realize I'd be owned
Speaker 1: up with three ten am games and now I'm doing.
Speaker 1: Now I'm doing Assessler strategy and taking the worst game
Speaker 1: possible and that's Lions Redskins. And I'm sorry that Jeff
Speaker 1: Driscoll that I'm saying you're involved in the worst game
Speaker 1: possible because you know what, You've given me a little something.
Speaker 1: You've made these game passes experiences without Matthew Stafford enjoyable.
Speaker 1: You made a lot of throws last week. Jeff Driscle
Speaker 1: made more quality throws last week than eight, ten, twelve
Speaker 1: starters out there in the NFL. So credit to him
Speaker 1: and Darryl Bevil And uh, I think Jeff Dristle is
Speaker 1: gonna get a win as a starting quarterback this week.
Speaker 1: Why not? You can move to ate some plays with
Speaker 1: his feet. Oh, he moved the Bengals moved him the
Speaker 1: wide receiver. At some point, he might be the most Scarborough.
Speaker 1: He might be the most athletic quarterback other than Lamar Jackson, Hawk,
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray Hawk with you know Andrew Hawkins who does
Speaker 1: the game to have you show with me. Bengals player,
Speaker 1: the Bead mcgost players would just like rave about drifts
Speaker 1: call on the basketball court and just like everything insane
Speaker 1: thing that he was just like the best athlete on that.
Speaker 1: So he's the new Josh McCown. There you go. The
Speaker 1: Redskins have the worst home field advantage in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Yes or no, Yeah, because you can get We have
Speaker 1: people telling us and tweeting and us saying that they're
Speaker 1: getting into the game for like thirty bucks. This is
Speaker 1: a you know, in whatever. But the Redskins feel like
Speaker 1: an operation that almost needs to be taken over by
Speaker 1: the Commissioner's office at this point. The same way, wasn't
Speaker 1: that a Milwaukee Brewers thing that happened way back when
Speaker 1: in baseball? Uh No, he was just the owner. He was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that was weird too, and finding nothing about baseball.
Speaker 1: But they've done it, and I think they've done it
Speaker 1: in all the major sports at one time or another.
Speaker 1: It's a crisis bubbling up in so many different ways
Speaker 1: on the field, off the field, in terms of a
Speaker 1: great fan base that's been left by the side of
Speaker 1: the road like a dead corpse. I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: I would like to make a an apology to the
Speaker 1: Lions and their fans my theory that the line should
Speaker 1: be flexed out of Thanksgiving. People do not like that.
Speaker 1: It's unfair. Dave Feldman, uh, big social shadowy league figure
Speaker 1: here um and fellow Peloton rider. He came after me
Speaker 1: really hard. He was not happy with me, and it
Speaker 1: was a similar Everyone that has been upset has the
Speaker 1: same thing. Don't take this from us. And then I
Speaker 1: thought to myself, the Lions, you know, sad franchise, my team,
Speaker 1: the Jets. What if the Jets got Thanksgiving? Would I
Speaker 1: want that taken away? Now? I wouldn't. So I'm sorry
Speaker 1: and I and listen, would it be better if Would
Speaker 1: it be better if the Cowboys and Patriots, for example,
Speaker 1: this week we're playing on Thanksgiving like a game of
Speaker 1: that caliber. Yeah? Probably, But um, I understand traditions. So
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. There's no there's no jokes. I just I
Speaker 1: didn't mean to backhanded compliment. Well, I think you're your strategy.
Speaker 1: There are your comm initial comment and I got off
Speaker 1: Scott for because I strongly back to you and didn't
Speaker 1: hear about it from anyone. But uh so I thank
Speaker 1: you for apologizing for both of us. But I thought
Speaker 1: that was earnest and well done. Yeah, thanks man, I
Speaker 1: know you mean it too, I do. I know you
Speaker 1: mean it. No, I like I'm I'm happy that the
Speaker 1: fans of Detroit have that. I know you mean it.
Speaker 1: Back to this game for a second. I think Haskins
Speaker 1: has replaced Mason Rudolph as the hardest quarterback to watch.
Speaker 1: He makes a couple of plays, though, but yeah, they
Speaker 1: at least I don't think he knows what he's doing
Speaker 1: back there. They need a developmental league for guys like
Speaker 1: him because he is not ready to play in the NFL.
Speaker 1: This would be the week to get a win, though.
Speaker 1: Trey Flowers is hurt. He's been the only pass rush
Speaker 1: that they've had. He's played pretty well over the last month,
Speaker 1: and it looks like he's gonna miss the game. They're
Speaker 1: missing another starter up front, and I don't know this
Speaker 1: line's defense. You got Darius guys in there. Your boy
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson, I don't know if he's ever gonna break that.
Speaker 1: Walter Payton now he's not getting snaps and now he's hurt.
Speaker 1: You don't think they'll bring him back as a sometimes
Speaker 1: starter for next season two, and well, he's not done
Speaker 1: for this season. He's just gotta I mean, I think
Speaker 1: he entered the season three behind Peyton for the touchdown mark.
Speaker 1: It's not even first place. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's gotten a touchdown you this season. Maybe one. They
Speaker 1: might want to take that outside pitch out of the playbook.
Speaker 1: He's not making anybody miss laterally, it's fair dog Lighten
Speaker 1: lines released tackle dance skipper. I want you guys to
Speaker 1: know that he came across my wire. Game changer. All right,
Speaker 1: up next, Chris westling Oh back to me. I'll take uh,
Speaker 1: I'll take my boy Mason Rudolf, who like, how many
Speaker 1: different ways can the We can West take the Broncos
Speaker 1: and Mason Rudolph every single week? Well, you guys are
Speaker 1: just gonna leave him out there. I mean, what did
Speaker 1: the other options take? M r Bisky? How about the West?
Speaker 1: The guy on the roof, Um, he's still there. He
Speaker 1: needs that he needs that w to get off the
Speaker 1: roof in Cincinnati. I'm not see I'm so not plugged
Speaker 1: into this story. Everyone keeps sending me this guy. It's
Speaker 1: it's a copycat. This happened in with wild Man Walker
Speaker 1: who lived on a billboard for sixty one days. Wild
Speaker 1: Man Walker a famous local entertainer. This guy just some
Speaker 1: jamoke walker. It's happened a few times, stuff like it
Speaker 1: was a trope in very Yeah, late eighties, early nineties
Speaker 1: attention Grabber West, usually for a radio promotion. Yeah. West
Speaker 1: sent me a photo um of wild men walk around
Speaker 1: the roof and he actually had a mailbox on the roof.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a really nice touch, with the
Speaker 1: lightful touching. You're right that that is commitment to the bit.
Speaker 1: And wild Man Walker was that kind of personality where
Speaker 1: he was from the roof. I believe he did well,
Speaker 1: what's the point endless hits up to the billboard in
Speaker 1: the business place he had, they had built like a
Speaker 1: man cave up there for him. He was actually living
Speaker 1: on the billboard. It was amazing. So West, does he
Speaker 1: come off the roof? This guy whoever this jamoke is
Speaker 1: this chooch, this guy that's just taken off the wild
Speaker 1: Man Walker's angle. I don't think so, because because Ryan
Speaker 1: Finley's bad uh Bengals quarterback. I mean, he's as bad
Speaker 1: as Mason Rudolph. Probably all their throws are scripted one
Speaker 1: read quick throws early in the game designed you know,
Speaker 1: this is what good coaches do, get the ball out
Speaker 1: of the rookie quarterback's hands, and those coaches don't go,
Speaker 1: those players don't go anywhere. He's off the mark on
Speaker 1: his checkdowns like it's it's a awful offense to watch.
Speaker 1: And I know Greg tweeted about this. They are Zach
Speaker 1: Taylor didn't really answer the question when they asked if
Speaker 1: he's playing his best quarterback. He's certainly not playing his
Speaker 1: best quarterback, not even by a long shot. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I understand why they wanted to get a glimpse at him,
Speaker 1: but that's probably what like late December is for. What
Speaker 1: was his answer? So they asked him, does Ryan Finley
Speaker 1: give the team the best chance of winning? And his
Speaker 1: answer was, we wouldn't play Ryan if we didn't feel
Speaker 1: like he gave us a chance to win, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, a clear non answers. It's not a bad answer,
Speaker 1: but it's of course he can't say that he is
Speaker 1: him the best chance to win because his players would
Speaker 1: know he's lying. I mean, of course Andy Dalton's better.
Speaker 1: I was willing to be surprised by Finley, but then
Speaker 1: he threw you know, under four yards per attempt against
Speaker 1: the Raiders, so that you know, Andy Dalton could have
Speaker 1: probably won that game if you wanted to. You know, really,
Speaker 1: I think he would have too. And I've killed Dalton
Speaker 1: and I and it's a sort of a be careful
Speaker 1: what you wish for, because I've wanted to see someone
Speaker 1: else play quarterback. But I like quarterback switches, when you
Speaker 1: go from type of quarterback A to something drastically different
Speaker 1: and try to liven up an offense that they brought
Speaker 1: in Zach Taylor. You know, it couldn't be more of
Speaker 1: an opposite Sean McVeigh effect if you tried, because nothing's
Speaker 1: changed has gotten worse. He seems relatively powerless to me.
Speaker 1: The team is so ultra lifeless and also looks no
Speaker 1: different than the same issues and the same cast of
Speaker 1: characters as last year. And I don't need Trent Green
Speaker 1: telling me thirty five times during the game that Joe
Speaker 1: Mixon's family all bought tickets and how great it is
Speaker 1: and how they believe in the Bengals. It's like, give
Speaker 1: me a break. This team is going nowhere. So annoyed
Speaker 1: at Tred Green all last Sunday for Blow and Well,
Speaker 1: because they refused to even criticize an operation that is
Speaker 1: that is launchly saying we are not going to keep
Speaker 1: up with thirty one other teams. We're gonna do it
Speaker 1: our way, and it's gonna be a problem for if
Speaker 1: you're a fan of this. I don't think they're chanking.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're trying to lose. But as upset
Speaker 1: as everyone was in September about Miami, I think playing
Speaker 1: a quarterback that's worse and maybe they do think that
Speaker 1: he could have had a future and you want to
Speaker 1: evaluate him and now is the time to find out,
Speaker 1: or else you get the number one pick. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like win win if you're the Bengals, or I
Speaker 1: think that's a little more egregious that you're you're you're
Speaker 1: playing a guy that you pretty much know is not
Speaker 1: is going to hurt your team's chances of winning if
Speaker 1: you're not tanking, and we haven't heard that connected to Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: certainly not even close to the level of Miami. Uh,
Speaker 1: then it was just a huge mistake to bench Dalton
Speaker 1: because you got well, I think they are. I think
Speaker 1: this guy's this head coach has to win a game.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're now they put themselves in position by
Speaker 1: putting this kid in the quarterback where they can potentially
Speaker 1: go own sixteen and that that sticks with the organization forever.
Speaker 1: It's in its Cat Tarrell, who once covered the Bengals,
Speaker 1: suggested after I tweeted about it and now she covers
Speaker 1: the Saints doesn't does an awesome job on the athletic
Speaker 1: that it suggested to her just from the outside that
Speaker 1: he's the one not making that he's not the one
Speaker 1: making the decisions. That's the type of answer you make
Speaker 1: when you're not the one that making the decisions. And
Speaker 1: that made a lot of sense to me. And that
Speaker 1: goes back to why Chris Wesseling quit and on the
Speaker 1: Bengals all those years ago and made that dossie. I
Speaker 1: give Brian Flora has a lot of credit for playing
Speaker 1: his best quarterback when the Redskins are not, the Bengals
Speaker 1: are not, the Steelers arguably are not. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: we gotta see a little more a Duck Hodges, but
Speaker 1: but but definitely, the Bengals and Redskins are not playing
Speaker 1: their best quarterbacks and the Dolphins are, um right, yeah,
Speaker 1: how many games and rude off by the way. Erase
Speaker 1: that stingfest that you made us watch last week, Missa Rudolph,
Speaker 1: please the demon two and eight at the Bears. Ooh,
Speaker 1: this is a rough one. This one will not be
Speaker 1: getting a lot of love nationally, so I will try
Speaker 1: to do my best for our national podcast to give
Speaker 1: it the respect it deserves as a game that features
Speaker 1: professional football players giving it. They're all, um, Mr Rbiski
Speaker 1: has a hit pointer, but apparently he will be playing
Speaker 1: this week, looks like, so we'll see where that goes. Now.
Speaker 1: Is the toothpaste out of the old container, as they say,
Speaker 1: the tube by taking him out of the game, um,
Speaker 1: because he could have I still think that something was
Speaker 1: still weird about all that. And they said, oh, he
Speaker 1: was injured, but the the intimate sideline exchange between Naggie
Speaker 1: and Trabiski and fact that you know he could have
Speaker 1: played for three more minutes of game time and survived.
Speaker 1: So I think there was some naggy dr Shall win
Speaker 1: in on that. What did Shall say? I need to
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks with more egregious aches and pains played through
Speaker 1: them least so James and Mitchell Trobinsky. The injury occurred
Speaker 1: in the second quarter. Right, So Peggy's explanation made sense.
Speaker 1: He pulled Trabinsky once he saw the injury started to
Speaker 1: affect the quarterback's decision making. Okay, that made sense to me.
Speaker 1: All Right, well, let's hope it's better because if this
Speaker 1: hip pointer comes back, I guess he'll be taken out
Speaker 1: of the game again with an injury. But I just
Speaker 1: wonder if if this is just the beginning of the end.
Speaker 1: We'll remember the Sunday night game and as kind of, oh,
Speaker 1: they are not going to get better with him. And
Speaker 1: this is just because that was kind of like a
Speaker 1: referendum game. I know they had the season had already
Speaker 1: kind of spun into a bad place already, but maybe
Speaker 1: they could have kind of gotten it back together in
Speaker 1: prime time and they didn't even come close. So I
Speaker 1: think we're seeing the end of the Trabinsky era obviously. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then on the Giant side of it, there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of talk this. You know, we've had our
Speaker 1: disagreements with the injury stuff, Greg about whether you should
Speaker 1: say a guy should you know, rest a little bit
Speaker 1: longer that I am all anti this. Let's shut down
Speaker 1: se kuon Barkley for the rest of the year talk,
Speaker 1: because no one is saying that he's actually um still injured.
Speaker 1: I don't know where that came from. That was just
Speaker 1: something that was being brought up a lot, I guess
Speaker 1: by the media and they were being asked it, and
Speaker 1: both side, both the head coach Pat Shermer and Sae
Speaker 1: Juan Barkley shot it down and said that we have
Speaker 1: no interest in in um shutting this thing down. So
Speaker 1: it will be interesting, I guess, to see how Barkley looks,
Speaker 1: because that has been one thing that's been missing from
Speaker 1: this season compared to last season, was how explosive and
Speaker 1: exciting on a week by week basis. Sat kuon Barkley
Speaker 1: is maybe he gets back his mojo against the Bears.
Speaker 1: Bears defense that is good but not great. Sterling Shepherd
Speaker 1: is on act at least to return for this game.
Speaker 1: It's not official. He's gotten close before and then there
Speaker 1: was a setback, so we'll see. That would help Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones a lot. Uh. I don't I don't think it
Speaker 1: matters like picking this game, whether Trabiski plays or not,
Speaker 1: there's not much of a difference. They they're last in
Speaker 1: the league and explosive plays. They're not using Alan Robinson
Speaker 1: nearly to the you know, full capability. Like Blake Bortles
Speaker 1: did a better job hooking up Allen Robinson with with
Speaker 1: big plays than than the Bears are doing. With that said,
Speaker 1: the Bears could be the ultimate false hope team because
Speaker 1: I still think they're the favorite in this game, and
Speaker 1: then they're on Thanksgiving Day against old Jeff Driscoll get
Speaker 1: ready for that at nine thirty. Uh, and you know
Speaker 1: they're Bears are capable of losing any game, but they're
Speaker 1: probably favorites right now to go six, to get to
Speaker 1: six and six and still be just hanging around before
Speaker 1: the schedule gets very hard and then the bottom falls out.
Speaker 1: So in a in a painful season for Bears fan,
Speaker 1: I feel like they might tease them a little more
Speaker 1: over the next couple of weeks by beat a couple
Speaker 1: of bad teams. My boldest note was this game makes
Speaker 1: me sad, because it does because it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: and the Giants. So the Giants, and we're probably looking
Speaker 1: at the final weeks of Patch Shermer and I I
Speaker 1: always felt like he was brought into carry forth the
Speaker 1: message of ELI and the ownership and do all that,
Speaker 1: and I'd also think that it's been a tough situation
Speaker 1: for him, and I don't I hope that doesn't happen
Speaker 1: to him. Giants fans may disagree, but Matt Nagy, I mean,
Speaker 1: we are not too far removed from a last season
Speaker 1: and Andy Reid prior to last season singing long songs
Speaker 1: about the creativity and what Matt nig brings to offense
Speaker 1: no matter who the players are, and this has been
Speaker 1: one of the least interesting attacks in the league. And
Speaker 1: to look at the regression from last year to this,
Speaker 1: when you brought in Matt Nigi to light a spark
Speaker 1: under a Bears offense that was that fired the previous
Speaker 1: coach because the offense was so boring. He was brought
Speaker 1: in to fix mr business. He won Coach of the
Speaker 1: Year doing it, and every cause of the defense, every
Speaker 1: single position. He was one of the best coaches in
Speaker 1: the league. It's Trabinsky was not one of them. Not fixed.
Speaker 1: The whole point is Nega did an amazing job creating
Speaker 1: opening every single position on this offense is worse than
Speaker 1: it was last year. It's one of the craziest I
Speaker 1: just think it's on Trabisky, though sometimes it's not on
Speaker 1: the coach. I want to see him get a chance
Speaker 1: with the different quarterbacks. One of the craziest storylines of
Speaker 1: this week is when you saw it popped up. He
Speaker 1: was being asked, Naggie, are you going to give up
Speaker 1: play calling? This guy a year ago was being He's
Speaker 1: part of that, Sean McVeigh. The young coaches that are
Speaker 1: gifted with their offensive game planning. That just to me,
Speaker 1: in a nutshell is how awfully this season has gone.
Speaker 1: That's why I don't need two weeks from now. Oh
Speaker 1: there's six and six and they're back in the shut
Speaker 1: it down. It's like this, I don't need the bear.
Speaker 1: It's they need an off They need an off season
Speaker 1: as much as any team out there right now. All
Speaker 1: right time now for Road to Victory, presented by the
Speaker 1: United States Marine Corp. I love our Marines are troops
Speaker 1: both here and abroad. Okay, the Packer the excuse me Packers, Yes,
Speaker 1: oh man, the Green Bay Packers. They travel to the
Speaker 1: Big Ballot Bottom to face the Niners eight and two
Speaker 1: against nine and one. What else needs to be said?
Speaker 1: Chris Westling, This is has potential to be one of
Speaker 1: the games of the year. If the forty Niners have
Speaker 1: some semblance of health, sure, but I don't think they're
Speaker 1: the same team they were three or four weeks ago.
Speaker 1: When George George Kittle's not playing, Matt Breed is not playing,
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Sanders is banged up. Um, Deebo Samuel has banged
Speaker 1: up in Deebo Samuel, I think you had eight for
Speaker 1: a hundred and back to back games, first time in
Speaker 1: franchise history. That guy was playing well, he's like a
Speaker 1: running back with the ball in his hands. I just like,
Speaker 1: who are the forty Niners? If all these guys are
Speaker 1: are out? Their defense has not been dominant for three
Speaker 1: straight weeks. I think the defense has been great, really,
Speaker 1: I mean they're given up twenty five points a week now. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean against Seattle they basically didn't have up an
Speaker 1: offensive touchdown until late in the fourth quarter. This the
Speaker 1: Seahawks had twelve thirteen drives. They couldn't move the ball
Speaker 1: at all. That the turnovers are putting them in a
Speaker 1: bad spot there. They're not compare that when they were
Speaker 1: giving up three, seven and zero. Right, They've they've stepped
Speaker 1: up in class in terms of opponent and the Cardinals,
Speaker 1: for whatever reason have played them well, but even the
Speaker 1: Cardinals have punted the ball a ton, and to me,
Speaker 1: it's been more on their offense. But I've got some
Speaker 1: news for you West. George Kittle and Deebo Samuel returned
Speaker 1: to practice Thursday wearing non contact jerseys, so it sounds
Speaker 1: like it's a baby step and they're neither one of
Speaker 1: them is guaranteed to play. Emmanuel Sanders did play through
Speaker 1: that injury. Not you know, you didn't finish the game.
Speaker 1: But if you have those three guys on the field
Speaker 1: and Kittles, the key one Kittle, to me is is
Speaker 1: gronk because it not only kills their passing game, it
Speaker 1: kills their running games. You know, some some people were
Speaker 1: pointing out just how the tight ends that replaced Kittle
Speaker 1: doing well catching some passes, but have been blown up
Speaker 1: in their running game and they have not run the
Speaker 1: ball very well. We haven't seen Green Bay in a
Speaker 1: ball because that there was that snow game before their
Speaker 1: bye week, and they two things. I thought their pass
Speaker 1: rush came back to life in that attack a little
Speaker 1: bit against Carolina, and they ran the ball well. They
Speaker 1: slashed Carolina's defense. And they're not the first or last
Speaker 1: team to do that, but that's a good formula for
Speaker 1: taking care of business against San Francisco. Will not be
Speaker 1: as easy to do that against the front of the
Speaker 1: Niners defense. I know. Jimmy Garoppolo had a couple of
Speaker 1: turnovers UM, including the second pick pick, which was credit
Speaker 1: to the Niners defense for getting that three and out,
Speaker 1: because if they don't get a three and out, the
Speaker 1: game is over and the Cardinals have a huge win.
Speaker 1: And everyone's looking at both teams a lot differently, but
Speaker 1: credit to Um that stop and then Garoppolo making the
Speaker 1: big drive and beating the blitz the zero blitz at
Speaker 1: the end for the touchdown to Wilson. So he's just
Speaker 1: been a lot more fun to watch UM for me
Speaker 1: the last few weeks, and I just wanted he's becoming
Speaker 1: a storyline to me, like not Kirk Cousins esk West,
Speaker 1: but kind like all right, let's figure out who Garoppolo is.
Speaker 1: Is he a kind of premier field general type guy.
Speaker 1: Is he below a Kirk Cousins type guy, Like where
Speaker 1: does he fit in? And we're starting to get, for
Speaker 1: the first time ever, an actual sample size of this
Speaker 1: guy because he's either been a backup to Tom Brady
Speaker 1: or an injured quarterback. We're finally getting a collection of
Speaker 1: games that is lasting months upon months, and he's just
Speaker 1: kind of a fun guy to see develop. He's now
Speaker 1: started more games this year or equal than he did
Speaker 1: the entire rest of his career. I mean he's he's
Speaker 1: started the same amount of games as Donald. That's just
Speaker 1: where he is. And and I think you're right that
Speaker 1: he's getting better each week. And I give the four
Speaker 1: Niners a ton of credit if you think about what
Speaker 1: they've lost throughout the year. It's not just this week.
Speaker 1: I mean they played without their tackles for a while.
Speaker 1: Remember Jerick McKinnon. I mean he was supposed to be
Speaker 1: part Remember Jason Barette, he was supposed to be part
Speaker 1: of it. Kwalan Alexander's long gone and Kelly with Witherspoon,
Speaker 1: their starting cornerbacks been in and out. Ronald Blair's on
Speaker 1: injured reserve. It's like d Ford's hurt. Deford's barely played
Speaker 1: and this team has battled through it to get to
Speaker 1: nine and one. That's why I've been leaning Packers all week.
Speaker 1: And now this news that Kittle and Samuel are back
Speaker 1: at practice, I think they've been the better team for
Speaker 1: the most part this year because of all they've withstood.
Speaker 1: The Packers are the exact opposite, maybe the healthiest team
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Have had virtually no significant injuries in
Speaker 1: the entire season, which is which is almost impossible. At
Speaker 1: least right now, all the guys on their team are
Speaker 1: healthy and they haven't lost anyone of real value for
Speaker 1: the whole season. I want to see how their defense
Speaker 1: plays in this game. We were down on their defense
Speaker 1: before the bye, uh before that Panthers game, and they
Speaker 1: were all right against the Panthers. But I I want
Speaker 1: to see in this game this defense played like they
Speaker 1: did in September and not in October and early November.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're getting that defense again. We'll see.
Speaker 1: I got some news for you guys. If the Packers
Speaker 1: do win this week and then moved to night and two,
Speaker 1: I think you're there the first seed in the NFC
Speaker 1: after this game at Giants home, Red Skins home Bears,
Speaker 1: as opposed to the forty Niners, who play three straight
Speaker 1: teams that currently have an eight and two record. The
Speaker 1: Ravens and the Saints are after them, and and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of these matchups. We also who's after that?
Speaker 1: Say it? You could say it all the Falcons the
Speaker 1: toughest game on the schedule, yet I didn't even know that.
Speaker 1: And uh and we also have Seahawks forty. It's great
Speaker 1: that all these BY teams are all playing each other
Speaker 1: down the stretch, tasty Sunday night game. If you noticed
Speaker 1: that BY teams have not been playing well coming out
Speaker 1: of the By, especially the London ones. I think there's
Speaker 1: I think no one won coming out of there by
Speaker 1: after London. But if you look a lot of people
Speaker 1: were tweeting. If you look at who some of those
Speaker 1: teams played, it wasn't like the we weren't crazy. Results
Speaker 1: were like suddenly an a f C title type team
Speaker 1: doesn't show Goodbye in general is overrated as like a
Speaker 1: positive factor. I mean, of course it gets you healthier,
Speaker 1: but there's no like stats over the years that say
Speaker 1: it makes you better. It's just you're just the same
Speaker 1: team when you come back. If you if you got
Speaker 1: to take a week vacation, everyone's like, oh, are you
Speaker 1: were fresh now? It's like no, now, I just know
Speaker 1: that I want more vacations. You don't come back doing
Speaker 1: your job better, said you know who should have gotten
Speaker 1: a bye coming out of London. You're on the NFL podcast.
Speaker 1: Didn't happen, not gonna happen, did not happen. We have
Speaker 1: a bye coming up. We have a bye week schedule.
Speaker 1: That's what they want to hear from us. Uh. Next
Speaker 1: year they it's like, not only send us, Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: gonna take that next week off. Sorry, stay in London
Speaker 1: for another week. And that was the road to victory
Speaker 1: presented by the United States Marine Corps supporting your troops. Uh. Finally,
Speaker 1: Monday Night football, the Baltimore Ravens eight and to travel
Speaker 1: to the Coliseum to face the Rams. So the Rams
Speaker 1: get back to back primetime games here Sunday night. Last week,
Speaker 1: got the win against the downtrodden not quite moribund, but
Speaker 1: down trodden Chicago of Bears. Uh, and now they get
Speaker 1: the Ravens another game. I thought very hard Mark about
Speaker 1: locking up, because God, I mean, for who, what do
Speaker 1: you mean the team that wins every week and has
Speaker 1: the best quarterback in the league this season. I don't
Speaker 1: think you could look yourself in the mirror locking up
Speaker 1: the Ravens against the Rams. I agree with Mark on that.
Speaker 1: I go, I go by the Vegas test and no,
Speaker 1: I always go by the field goal to look in
Speaker 1: the mirror. Well, that would be controversial, but more per
Speaker 1: I've always done it. I disagree just because because of that,
Speaker 1: Like we think it's so predictable. But there's a reason
Speaker 1: that you're like halfway on the Rams payroll. So there's
Speaker 1: a reason though, there's a reason why. Let's say, for instance,
Speaker 1: the Rams or the Ravens are not that heavily favored
Speaker 1: in this game, because the Rams are at home, and
Speaker 1: there are six and four team that has something going
Speaker 1: on to them, and it really wouldn't be that crazy
Speaker 1: to me to see the Rams and the Ravens in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter of this game. I know you can
Speaker 1: take every game apart like this and say the other
Speaker 1: team is a chance, right, because it's almost always true,
Speaker 1: So like we should just be able to lock every one.
Speaker 1: I say, if it's it's more than I would say
Speaker 1: this the Rams. The Rams are are the Ravens at
Speaker 1: this point, thirty thirty seven in a row. They had
Speaker 1: some issues at times. They are playing at the height
Speaker 1: of their powers right now, issuing death blows to teams
Speaker 1: midway through the second quarter. And if you tell me.
Speaker 1: You look at Jared Goff at this point in the
Speaker 1: season and what happened against Chicago last week, and you
Speaker 1: give me Lamar Jackson, and which one of these two
Speaker 1: is changing the lives of every single person inside the
Speaker 1: organization and about to have two hundred people fitted for
Speaker 1: Super Bowl rings. That's much closer to Lamar Jackson than
Speaker 1: Jared Goff right now. And I hear you, Greg, it's
Speaker 1: in l A. But that doesn't feel like huge November.
Speaker 1: I think is is the bigger thing. Not that the
Speaker 1: Ravens need to be worried about you. It's not like
Speaker 1: they need to play worse, but they're peaking right now
Speaker 1: and two months from now, you know, will they still
Speaker 1: be peeking. Teams change? And I think the Rams especially
Speaker 1: tried to change last week. It was against the Bears.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna go crazy, but I think they max protected.
Speaker 1: They changed the way they did some of their running game.
Speaker 1: The offensive line played well, they had a good game,
Speaker 1: and they opened up some holes. And so if you're
Speaker 1: the Rams there now kind of it's funny. They were
Speaker 1: the eight team a year ago at this point when
Speaker 1: they were on Monday NFL. Now the Ravens are the
Speaker 1: team and the Rams to me, are kind of just
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, play to their defense and run
Speaker 1: the ball and not turn the ball over, and that's
Speaker 1: probably their best route of of winning this game. Robert
Speaker 1: Woods not in the building right now. Practice on He
Speaker 1: returned Thursday. He returned Thursday. Brandon Cooks is going to play. Uh.
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley said, I guess I felt like the old
Speaker 1: Todd after the game, and I thought the first half
Speaker 1: was his best half of football all year. And then
Speaker 1: I went and watched Christian McCaffrey right after. Todd Gurley said,
Speaker 1: that's not the old Todd, Like, that's not the old Todd,
Speaker 1: because Christian McCaffrey looked like totally different player than than
Speaker 1: than two thousand nineteen Todd Gurley, So that guy's gone.
Speaker 1: Can the guy that's in his place be productive he
Speaker 1: was last week? I think you have total yards? Like
Speaker 1: Greg said, they changed some things up. They went with
Speaker 1: Johnny Munt their third string tight end as as kind
Speaker 1: of a lead blocker on a lot of plays, which
Speaker 1: they never did in the past. So they were trying
Speaker 1: some new things and Gurley did look good, and they
Speaker 1: protected goffwell for maybe the first time all year, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was what that said. Well,
Speaker 1: they barely passed for That's maybe not the worst idea ever.
Speaker 1: If if you're ahead in the game or competitive, how
Speaker 1: about a legit revenge game Marcus Peters revenge game. I
Speaker 1: think this is closer than some of the ones that
Speaker 1: have been tossed around as anyone who have employee play.
Speaker 1: I blew it because my favorite revenge game of the
Speaker 1: year was the one before. I'm still going to talk
Speaker 1: about it. Kyle Sanahan, I mean, Matt Lafleur tried to
Speaker 1: hire Mike Lafleur, his brother over the We're back in
Speaker 1: the road. Let's get on the road. Give up the Marines.
Speaker 1: He tried to hire his brother. What a great story,
Speaker 1: Mike Lafleur. We're gonna be the la Fleur brothers and
Speaker 1: take over the Kyle Shannon said, Nope, I've got the
Speaker 1: best la Fleur. I know. Mike is better than Matt.
Speaker 1: He's the La Fleur I want. I'm keeping him in
Speaker 1: San Francisco, maybe even against his wishes. He's gonna be
Speaker 1: my co ordainer. And now Matt Lafleur gets to commit
Speaker 1: trat side against his brother he's gonna kill him. I
Speaker 1: don't care. Hey, we have bits. Can we close out
Speaker 1: this Rams Ravens thing with a what's more likely? Before
Speaker 1: we do that, can we just give Marcus Peters a
Speaker 1: little bit love for how how incredible he's been on
Speaker 1: this events, because that was another trade that didn't get
Speaker 1: that much pub when it happened, was like, oh, Marcus Peters,
Speaker 1: the Rams aren't gonna sign him anyway, the Ravens go
Speaker 1: get him and he's He's not been making Fitzpatrick great
Speaker 1: in the secondary, but he's been an impact player. Good
Speaker 1: teams stay good. Bad teams stay bad. Wes, Wow, this
Speaker 1: one is kind of geared towards Mark Sessler. What's more likely?
Speaker 1: Wink Martindale wins Assistant Coach of the Year, Greg Roman
Speaker 1: wins Assistant Coach of the Year, another or John Harball
Speaker 1: wins NFL Head Coach of the years One. Well, I
Speaker 1: think two out of three is very possible. Assistant coach.
Speaker 1: There a voters. I don't know how if they ever
Speaker 1: went Wink Martindale and not Greg Roman and Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: pipes this up, there would be a revolt. Just this
Speaker 1: is someone I think Greg Roman has not had to
Speaker 1: reinvent himself, just that he was a hot commodity kind
Speaker 1: of vanished into the mist, and that was back with Lamar,
Speaker 1: a superpowered version of anything Colin Kaepernick would have ever
Speaker 1: given you times ten in Lamar Jackson and Greg Roman
Speaker 1: was ten, let's calm down. Colin Kaepernick took the league
Speaker 1: by arm for six games. It's not a Colin Kaepernick thing.
Speaker 1: But I would say the reason that John Harbaugh deserves
Speaker 1: it is because John Harbaugh, unlike a lot of coaches,
Speaker 1: was able to look in the mirror and say let's
Speaker 1: change everything and have the boldness to do it. And
Speaker 1: the whole staff at least looked at Lamar Jackson had
Speaker 1: said he's a quarterback. I know there was the press
Speaker 1: release that like Greg enjoyed very much this week about uh,
Speaker 1: their former offensive aid. But Lamar Jackson is a quarterback
Speaker 1: and we're gonna roll with it when a bunch of
Speaker 1: other teams didn't. And also, by the way, oh Joe Flacco,
Speaker 1: who we are all married to and the owner loves,
Speaker 1: is broken down at this point. He's gone. Har Jackson well,
Speaker 1: but he They always were backing Flacco and it took
Speaker 1: it took some guts that some head coaches don't have
Speaker 1: to make the changes they did last year and become electrifying,
Speaker 1: and then a full off season of saying this will
Speaker 1: never carry over, Lamar Jackson doesn't do enough. Well, everyone's
Speaker 1: gonna figure it out and bang there twice as powerful.
Speaker 1: So give everyone coach a year, rum and hard Boswe Martindale.
Speaker 1: Martindale's defense is number one in UH efficiency according to
Speaker 1: Football Saider since Week seven, So since week seven they
Speaker 1: have the number one defense in the NFL and the
Speaker 1: number one offense. I have no idea how long assistant
Speaker 1: coach has been around that award, but no one's ever
Speaker 1: no team's ever swept this, right, that's impossible, not yet.
Speaker 1: I think it's only been around for a few years years.
Speaker 1: I mean very important. This is very like. I want
Speaker 1: to say that the Ravens are playing incredibly right now,
Speaker 1: and perhaps we're getting caught up in the excitement of
Speaker 1: that that they they're so unstoppable and perfect right now.
Speaker 1: I would worry that they're peaking. Well maybe not, maybe
Speaker 1: they keep winning. That's finally, I totally hear what Greg
Speaker 1: and you were saying that it's not gonna go week
Speaker 1: after week after week here, But why are we starting
Speaker 1: to diminish them? I would never do that. I think
Speaker 1: it's more common on like how awesome they are right
Speaker 1: now that you could have this conversation and you could say, oh,
Speaker 1: I pick all three of them, and West would agree,
Speaker 1: and that the Ravens are the talk of the league.
Speaker 1: Right well, how awesome are they? They beat Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and Deshaun Watson by double digits. Bang. To
Speaker 1: answer your question, Dan, the assistant Coach of the Year
Speaker 1: has been around for five years, and uh, the Bears
Speaker 1: swept it last year. Next year, Naggy and Fonio. There
Speaker 1: you go right there, that's not special and uh, the
Speaker 1: first time it ever was an award. Sweet. It was
Speaker 1: also a sweep back in two thousand fourteen. Bruce Arians
Speaker 1: and your boy Todd Bowles. Wow for the two thousand
Speaker 1: four I would call it especially narrative driven. Well, it
Speaker 1: makes sense. The teams that have a great coaching staff,
Speaker 1: they you know, they get awards or they have a
Speaker 1: great year I mean assist and you go on to
Speaker 1: become head coach typically too. Yeah, I think almost except
Speaker 1: for way to think you have to be a coordinator. No,
Speaker 1: because Scarneckia got some votes. You know there was a
Speaker 1: there was like a year of some dark course. You
Speaker 1: know SCARNECKI a buzz, but uh, I don't think beat bowls.
Speaker 1: When you got him to your New York Jets, they
Speaker 1: didn't and that didn't work out so well. Greg Roman
Speaker 1: is the prohibitive favorite right now, whereas I think for
Speaker 1: the Coach of the Year, Sean Payton would be right
Speaker 1: up there for me with John Harbor. Um, all right,
Speaker 1: we will be back uh tonight, as I said, Colts
Speaker 1: Texans and then Cynthia Freeland. That's fun. And then on
Speaker 1: Sunday we will recap every game we just previewed. Here
Speaker 1: the wheel goes round and round. Stand hands to signing
Speaker 1: off for a quiet storm, the mailman, the old Boss,
Speaker 1: Ricky Hollywood, right on, Marlin, Christie Zack, who all is
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