1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hello, Hey, is this ivy? 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: How are you doing? Ivy? 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, is this wile? 5 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: Yes? 6 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 2: It is? Oh that's so crazy. 7 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 3: Hi are you? 8 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: I'm good man? How are you? 9 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 2: I'm good. I've got COVID, so this is kind of 10 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: cheering me up. 11 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that. How is your COVID experience 12 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: going are you? Is it a mild thing or is 13 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: it a a serious. 14 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: It's pretty serious. I have a high viral load and 15 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: it's just not been a fun experience for me. 16 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: So, well, what else is going on with you? Ivy? 17 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: It says here, Well, I why don't you tell me? 18 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: I Sometimes I get sick of doing that. It says 19 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: here a thing, and I just want to hear it 20 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: from the person. 21 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: Sure. So I thought this would be kind of like 22 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: slighthearted and fun to talk about because I can laugh 23 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 2: at it. I have a like a fantasy of like 24 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 2: attraction to giant men and the question like I've told 25 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: a few people about that that are really close to me, 26 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 2: and they're always like, oh, so like seven foot and 27 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: I'm talking about like two hundred feet. 28 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: Hmm, So like like an actual like giant like Jack 29 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: and the Beanstalk, type character Godzilla vibes. So tell me, 30 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: would it be so like being the Damsel from King Kong? 31 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: Would be like your absolute dream? 32 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. 33 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: Interesting. So what I'm curious with this What is the 34 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: closest you can get to that? Is it like just 35 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: a seven foot tall guy? 36 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 2: Well, so my boyfriend. So I'm five foot three and 37 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: I'm only like one, and my boyfriend is six foot 38 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 2: three and he's two forty. They're two fifty. So with 39 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: our relationship, you already kind of have like a significant 40 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 2: high difference. And it's weird because I'm not like I 41 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: see like really tall guys and they're usually really skinny, 42 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: So I'm not attracted to that. So it's like you're 43 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: either like because I like, I like big guys, like 44 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: not just like gigantic, but like also like kind of bigger, you. 45 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: Know, like like like heavier, you know, guys who like 46 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: are a little overweight. 47 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 2: Not overweight. I really like the strong dad bods. 48 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: M yeah, Like it's so, what is attractive? What is 49 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: attractive to you about a two hundred foot tall man? 50 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: Just I guess it's just like the extreme power imbalance 51 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 2: that exists between the like myself and the giant Like 52 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 2: it's like, I don't know, it's it's it's very hot 53 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: that like it's for some reason, there's something about me 54 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: that's valuable to this like godly person, like. 55 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: You know, interesting, Like like, so the idea that this 56 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: guy is two hundred foot tall, he's a giant, he 57 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: is like you know, to to you to him, you're 58 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: basically like the size of an ant. And yet yeah, 59 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: he still cherishes you as if you were his. 60 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 61 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: Interesting. So it's it's it's not just the it's not 62 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: so this is not just like the physical thing. It's 63 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: also the the implications around it. The godlike stature of 64 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: this two hundred foot tall guy. 65 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 2: Is also it's also definitely like the physical stuff like 66 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 2: just being like very like helpless and small, you know. 67 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: Interesting, So can I can I ask? And you know, 68 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: we don't have to get into this territory unless if 69 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: you want to. But how would one even like how 70 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: would a normal sized human even have like a sexual 71 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: relationship with the two hundred foot tall guy? How did 72 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: they even work? 73 00:04:58,640 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 4: Well? 74 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 2: Obviously, like sex is out of the question, like normal 75 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: penetrative sex, but like how explicit can I get how E. 76 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: Supposed to do you want me to as explicit as 77 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: he wants? 78 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 2: Okay, So a lot of the because there's a few 79 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 2: like forums that I'm a part of, because it's a 80 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,559 Speaker 2: small community of people that are into you know, giant 81 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 2: men and tiny women. But a lot of the tropes 82 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 2: I see are like a dude using the chick as 83 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 2: like a masturbation aid, like putting her up against his 84 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 2: dick and like. 85 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: Rubbing one out, you know, like wait, so so so 86 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: when you say, like all right, so, like he has 87 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: you in the palm of his hand and then he 88 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: starts like jacking off. Wouldn't that kill you? 89 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 3: Probably? 90 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 2: But okay, so I guess because it's the fantasy, you 91 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 2: can like you know, shift it whatever you want. And 92 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 2: most of the time in the scenario is the tiny 93 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 2: women are kind of like very indestructible, you know, like 94 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 2: they can take a lot because I'm not into like 95 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: the hard stuff where like the woman like gets eaten 96 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 2: or like dies horribly, you know. 97 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm hmm h What do you like? Like I 98 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: would think like like the guy would like lay down, 99 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: you'd have to find you have to find like a 100 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: fucking football field or something where the guy could like 101 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: lay down and you could kind of climb his dick 102 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: like it was like a mountain, like using the veins 103 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: as like grip points and shit. 104 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 105 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: Well, alternatively, there's like the much more feasible option, if 106 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: you could call it that, where the woman is just 107 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 2: tiny and the man is like regular sized. 108 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: Oh so okay, so you right, Okay, So that's an 109 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: interesting idea. How would you feel like your boyfriend, for example, 110 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: how would you feel if you got shrunk down to 111 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: a tiny size so to you, he is a giant guy? 112 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: Or is it not? This is that essentially the same thing? 113 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would. 114 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: I would love it, like as long as I'm like, 115 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 2: you know, if I'm like two inches tall and he's 116 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: just normal sized, that'd be amazing. Or alternatively, I'm normal 117 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: sized and he's gigantic. 118 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: Tell me more about these forms. What's going on in 119 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: these forms? 120 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 2: Well, it's it's really small, like most of the community, 121 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: so the fetish is called macrophilia. Most of the community 122 00:07:52,280 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 2: is into like giant tesses and that's just not like 123 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 2: like large men and small females are so underrepresented. But 124 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 2: the forums are just like stories like smart and that 125 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: kind of stuff. 126 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: So is it frustrating? To you that you have this 127 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: fantasy that is physically impossible to play out. 128 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: Well there so obviously like you can't really play it 129 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 2: out that much. But there are things like my boyfriend 130 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: and I that because my boyfriend knows about it and 131 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 2: he I wouldn't say that he's like super into it, 132 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: but he he definitely like tries it out for me. 133 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 2: So like one thing is, uh, a few months ago, 134 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: we went to the Red Fair and I found these 135 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: like fairy ears, and so I put them on and 136 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: he thought it was like really hot that I looked 137 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: like like a fairy, and so he like we like 138 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,599 Speaker 2: did like role play kind of to where like I 139 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: was a fairy and he like captured me or something. 140 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 1: Do you find Shrek attractive? 141 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 4: No? 142 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: No, no, because when I'm imagine I'm imagining, like when 143 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: you're talking about this like giant guy, I'm imagining like 144 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: a really tall Shrek. 145 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 2: No, just like no monsters or anything, just like a 146 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: normal like guy, but he's just like ginormous. 147 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: Have you made friends on these forums? 148 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 2: Like? 149 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: What what do you talk about with the other people 150 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: on these forms who are into giant people? 151 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: I don't really talk to them because I don't like 152 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: I don't want to get too involved with them. I'm 153 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 2: just kind of like a like a stalker on there, 154 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 2: Like I just read the stuff and I don't interact. 155 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: So you mentioned your boyfriend and that he knows about it. 156 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: How does he feel about this whole thing? I mean, 157 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: I feel like you being five to three and him 158 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: being six ' three. That's like the that's pretty that's 159 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: the closest you can kind of get to what you're 160 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: going for in reality. 161 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we are. 162 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: We have like a. 163 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 2: Dominant submissive dynamic, and so to us it's kind of 164 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: like a natural progression to go from, which might sound 165 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 2: like a like a crazy to a lot of people, 166 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: but to me and him, it's kind of like just 167 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 2: an exaggeration of that power. He doesn't like seek it 168 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 2: on his own, but occasionally he'll be like, hey, hey, 169 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: put on the fairy ears and oh my god, it's 170 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 2: it's so ridiculous to actually like talk about this with somebody. 171 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was so that was gonna be. My next 172 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,599 Speaker 1: question is you know, you've kind of been very like 173 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: bashful about all this throughout the call. Is this something 174 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: that you are like embarrassed about or ashamed of or 175 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: don't you know, talk to a lot of people about. 176 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I'm I'm a little bit so because of 177 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 2: like this barrier of anonymity, I feel like a little 178 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 2: bit more comfortable talking about it. It's a lot harder 179 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: to get it out of me, like in person. And 180 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: I guess it doesn't help because the first person I 181 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 2: ever told, uh, told about it was my first boyfriend 182 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: and he was very like emotionally abusive, and he would 183 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 2: use it against me and call me like a fucking like. 184 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 3: Freaking weirdo and nobody would love me, you know, shit 185 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 3: like that. 186 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 2: So it's like, so I I am a little bit 187 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 2: hesitant to bring it up, you know. 188 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, well listen, I'm I'm happy for you that you 189 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: found a new person who seems like they're they're they're 190 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: more willing to lean into it with you and not 191 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: use it against you. 192 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. I really appreciated that about him. 193 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 1: Ivy, Is there anything else about this whole thing that 194 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: you feel like you want to share now that you 195 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: are in a place where you're comfortable getting it off 196 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: your chest. 197 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 2: I just hope that you know people, because it's something 198 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 2: that I've repressed for so long and I'm just now 199 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 2: coming to accept it as part of me. So if 200 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: there's like other people that kind of have those feelings 201 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 2: and just like feel embarrassed or I guess any kink 202 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: for that matter, as long as it's not you know, 203 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 2: harmful to anyone. She I mean sorry, people should just 204 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 2: you know, embrace it and kind of explore, because I 205 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 2: one thing I do when I was kind of like 206 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: on this journey of discovering why I'm into it, I 207 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 2: would just like kind of think about why am I 208 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 2: into this and will it affect me long term? So 209 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 2: I guess what I'm just trying to say is embraced 210 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 2: like who you are, and there are communities out there 211 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 2: for everything. Just be safe with those. 212 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 1: Thank you for calling. I appreciate it. Yeah, have a 213 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: good night, you too, O. Man, Ivy really looked out 214 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: with the six to three boyfriend in that scenario. I 215 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: do wonder what it is like to have a deep 216 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: sexual fantasy for something that is not compatible with reality, 217 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: such as a two hundred foot person. You know, I 218 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: mean listen, one of these days, you know you're gonna 219 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: be able to you know, Ivy's gonna be able to 220 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: hop on VR with some kind of like you know, 221 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: and have some kind of virtual experience where she can 222 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: have sex with a two hundred foot guy. And you 223 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: know what would be tragic is if that happened and 224 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: then she was like, oh, this actually isn't as great 225 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: as I thought it would be. I feel like that's 226 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: that's the thing with a lot of fantasies, right, and 227 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: to spit on here. But but is the idea that 228 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: it's just out of reach? Is that what keeps it compelling? 229 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: Almost such that if if there did exist two hundred 230 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: foot men and she did finally have an experience with them, 231 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: it would almost ruin the fantasy that it becomes reality. Anyway, 232 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: Thanks you, thank you, thank you Ivy for sharing. Glad 233 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: that we could create a form where people are down 234 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: to talk about having sex with two hundred foot giants. Hello, Hey, 235 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: is this Devon? 236 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: It is? 237 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: What's going on with you? Devon? 238 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 5: Not much, just showing at home right now drinking? 239 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: How many drinks, Steve? 240 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 3: Are we. 241 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 5: Three mixers and three beers? 242 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: Three mixed drinks and three beers. Okay, so you're you're like, 243 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: you're probably pretty drunk right now. 244 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 5: Eh, got a nice little bu's going. 245 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: Okay, we can work with you, We can work with 246 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: a buzz, Devin, it says you're that you've been having 247 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: crazy dreams that are predicting the future. 248 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 5: Yes, I'm just gonna I'm gonna say, like the ones 249 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 5: that I remember the most, there was one where it 250 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 5: was like gym time, and I had a dream, like 251 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 5: probably like three months before the event happened, that this 252 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 5: kid threw a basketball at my nuts and I was 253 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 5: in the same like everything was in the same scenario 254 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 5: as my dream, and I told myself, I'm like, oh fuck, 255 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 5: I gotta prepare myself. This guy's gonna throw the ball 256 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 5: at my nuts. So I like covered my crotch and 257 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 5: he fucking threw the ball right at my crotch, and 258 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 5: I because my dream, it saved my nuts that day. 259 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: Interesting, that's one. 260 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 5: That's one dream that's pretty crazy, and then there's another. 261 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 5: This one was crazy because it was actually with someone. 262 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 5: I was with my friend. We're up north duck hunting 263 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 5: and we drove past this gas station. I had it 264 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 5: in a dream that there was this blue pick or 265 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 5: a green pickup truck that crashed into the gas station. 266 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 5: And I told my buddy that I'm like, dude, I 267 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 5: had a dream. 268 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 4: I was like exactly. 269 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 5: I've never been there before. I'm like, I had a 270 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 5: dream a green pickup truck crashing this gas station. He's like, 271 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,959 Speaker 5: he's like, yeah, that's kind of weird. And uh So, anyways, 272 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 5: we get done duck hunting and his mom I'm called, 273 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 5: called his phone and she's like, are you guys okay 274 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 5: or like yeah, we're just driving back and she's like, oh, 275 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 5: there's a huge accident at the gas station. A truck 276 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 5: ran into it, and we drove past. There's a bunch 277 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 5: of ambulances and shit, and there's a green pickup and 278 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 5: my buddy just looked at me and he's like, dude, 279 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 5: that's fucking freaky. And I'm like, yeah, I don't I 280 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 5: don't even know what to say about it. Just I've 281 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 5: had I've had a multiple dreams like that, and it's 282 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 5: just it's kind of freaky. 283 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. Are those are those the two the 284 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: two scenarios in which it's come true? Or has this 285 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: happened to you many times? Many times? 286 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 5: There's another one where I was taking tests and I 287 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 5: wrote some answers on my hand, which you know you 288 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 5: probably shouldn't do, but I didn't study, so I was 289 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 5: being lazy, and I wrote my answers on my hand, 290 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 5: and in the dream I got caught because the teacher left, 291 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 5: but then he said he had to go talk to someone. 292 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 5: And but in my dream he came back for some 293 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 5: reason and he caught me like looking at my hand. 294 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 5: So then it was the same like scene that was 295 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 5: in my dream, and I was like, oh fuck, I 296 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 5: shouldn't look at my hand, but I didn't look at 297 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 5: my hand. And then also he walked back in just 298 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 5: as I put my hand away, and I was like, 299 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 5: there's a bunch of stuff like that. 300 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 4: It's really weird. 301 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 5: And then I also have a lot of fucked up 302 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 5: dreams too. 303 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: Do the fucked up dreams ever come true? Uh? 304 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 5: Gladly No, They're they're full of very gore and brutal stuff. 305 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: Okay, so I guess it's very good that they're not 306 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: coming true. So since these two of them's so, since 307 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 1: these these events have been happening where you've been dreaming 308 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: things and they've been coming true, has has this put 309 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: you on edge at all? Because I mean, look, you're 310 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 1: saying you're having these gory dreams about fucked up shit happening. 311 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: Do you ever have a dream of something fucked up happening, 312 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh shit, well, these other two dreams 313 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: came true, is there a chance that this one might 314 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: come true? 315 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 4: Oh? 316 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: Bless you? 317 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I have I get pretty bad anxiety because like 318 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 5: sometimes they don't always come true, and I'll be like 319 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 5: I'll get the deja voo and then I'll just be 320 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 5: like super on edge, like because some of them will 321 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 5: be like the kind of gory stuff or like the 322 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 5: brutal stuff where like someone gets murdered, and then I'll 323 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 5: just be like freaking the fuck. Oh, I'll be like 324 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 5: is this gonna actually happen? And then luckily it doesn't, 325 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 5: and yeah, it's just crazy, but yeah. And then I 326 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 5: looked it up because like the glory dreams, like because 327 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 5: I talked to a couple of my friends and they're like, 328 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 5: they're like, yeah, that's kind of fucked up, because like 329 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 5: apparently none of my other friends have like super gory 330 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 5: and like detailed dreams that they remember. And I looked 331 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 5: it up and it was like supposedly like nightmare syndrome 332 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 5: and what it said it is like it comes from trauma, 333 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 5: but I've never really had any trauma, so I don't 334 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 5: know where that comes from. 335 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: Have you looked up dreams that predict real life events? 336 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 5: I'm not. I probably should do that because it's a 337 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 5: lot of them. No, probably, I don't know. There's there's 338 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 5: a good amount that have come true where it's kind 339 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 5: of it ful weird. 340 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, these are definitely you know, this is this is 341 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: interesting because these are definitely freaky scenarios. 342 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 5: You know, the kids, the truck one really was over 343 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 5: the time. 344 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, the truck one was crazy. The I mean, the 345 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: football thing also pretty crazy. It's interesting because I'm I'm 346 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: I'm skeptical, right, I'm not a you know, I'm not 347 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: a spirit guy. I'm not everything happens for a reason. Guy. Uh, 348 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not really like deterministic in my thoughts 349 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: about things happening in the universe. But you know, if 350 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: what you tell me is true, then I don't know, man, 351 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: maybe it is just a couple of very freaky coincidences. 352 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think. Do you think that 353 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: you are genuinely predicting the future here or these coincidences? 354 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 5: I think a little bit. Maybe it's I don't know 355 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 5: if like our minds can like because like, I don't know, 356 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 5: this is just from like Facebook and shit, but like 357 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 5: our our brain only works like thirty percent or ten 358 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 5: percent of what it actually does and like limitally it's yeah, 359 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 5: maybe it's just like every so and so it just 360 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 5: like can predict the future or like foreshadow because like 361 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 5: biologically our bodies are designed to like survive. I don't know, 362 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 5: it's just crazy shit. 363 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: Well, thanks for sharing all this. Man, does this ever 364 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: like give you We kind of touched on this a 365 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: little bit, but I mean, day to day, does it 366 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: give you anxiety to think that you might have a 367 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: dream that might come true of some fucking weird thing. 368 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 5: A little bit like and then like some of the 369 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 5: some of the dreams I have, like I'll be awake 370 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 5: and I'll like it's weird because like I go on 371 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 5: like third person and like this is gonna sound really 372 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 5: fucked up. But like I was shopping with my older 373 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 5: brother and then all of a sudden, like I just 374 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 5: like I saw like someone just like walk up to 375 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 5: him and start stabbing him, and I just like and 376 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 5: then all of a sudden, like I came to and 377 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 5: then like noise came back, and then I was just 378 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 5: like that didn't happen. It was just like some like 379 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 5: there's a couple of times where it's happened when I'm awake. 380 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, m hm, So this thing of of of you 381 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: in third person watching you or watching you watch your 382 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: brother get stabbed. This happened while you were awake. 383 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, we're shopping somewhere that this was a few years ago. 384 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 5: And like I think it was with a pencil too, 385 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,719 Speaker 5: just like some random person was just starting like stabbing 386 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 5: him and I'm just like and I couldn't do anything. 387 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,719 Speaker 5: I was just like frozen, and I was like watching 388 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 5: It is weird. 389 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: It sounds like now we're in the territory where both 390 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: of us are trying to be science y in ways 391 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: that we have no business being. But do you have 392 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: like a narcolepsy or something like that. 393 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 5: Uh, I'm not sure that'd be crazy. 394 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: That would be crazy. Go to a guy, I mean, 395 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: or you know whatever. Go to a party, go to 396 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: a thing, go to someone who does sleep stuff, see 397 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: what's going on. I think it'd be worth it if 398 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: you're if you're passing out in the middle of the day, 399 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: you're thinking about your brother getting stead Sorry, what did 400 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: you said? 401 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, I talked to one of my friends and she 402 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 5: she uh, suggested that. 403 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 4: I do that. 404 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a good idea therapist or something, 405 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: But yeah, I just might do that. Devin, is there 406 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: anything else you want to say to the people of 407 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: the computer before we go? 408 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 5: I just want to say, if you have someone that 409 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 5: you love, if it's something they want to do, whether 410 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 5: it's like something silly, just like and you don't want 411 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 5: to do it, just kind of do it to like 412 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,719 Speaker 5: because they want to do it, you know. And then 413 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 5: just like, even if it's something like stupid like go 414 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 5: dancing in the rain or go get ice creaming you 415 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 5: don't want to, just do it, just kind of be 416 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 5: there for them, you know, because you never know what 417 00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 5: someone's going through. 418 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 2: And then. 419 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 5: If I could just give a shout out to my 420 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 5: buddy I and he. 421 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 3: Loves your. 422 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 5: Podcast too, and he's a big fan. We've been following 423 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 5: you since he started this so. 424 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 2: Much. 425 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: Thank you man, Thank you to Ian. Those are nice words. 426 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: I like that, go with the flow, even if you 427 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: don't feel like it, because you care about the person 428 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: wanting ice cream. It's nice. Oh yeah, yeah, thank you 429 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: for calling Devon. 430 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I hope you have a great rest of 431 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 5: your night, Bud. 432 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: You too. 433 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 3: Bye. 434 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: That was interesting from devon these dreams. Like I said, I, 435 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: you know, we get spiritually this is I wouldn't put 436 00:27:52,600 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: this into the spiritual category, but it's definitely freaky and crap. 437 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 3: What was that? 438 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: What was his name? 439 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 2: What? 440 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: I fuck? I don't know names of people, but whatever. 441 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: And the caller, he definitely did. He wasn't leaning into 442 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: the idea. That's what I thought it was interesting about 443 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: this call is this caller was not leaning into the 444 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: idea that he has some kind of psychic He is 445 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: not convinced of his own abilities. He's in the midst 446 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: of wrestling with them, which I find very fascinating. And 447 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: I hope that he does go to a sleep person 448 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: thing and figure out what's going on, because it sounds 449 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: like there's something going on and I would be curious 450 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: to know what that is. 451 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 4: Yellow. 452 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: Hello, is this Tray? 453 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? 454 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 5: What's up? 455 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: Tray? 456 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 4: So basically, man, I'm going to go from like a 457 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 4: ten thousand people school to a three hundred people school, 458 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 4: and you know, I got kicked out. I made some 459 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 4: bad decisions and basically this has been one of the 460 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 4: most roughest years of my life because I'm losing credits 461 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 4: because I'm going from a big campus to a small 462 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 4: campus and they don't have as many classes, as many electives, 463 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 4: you know, and my parents are really they're really mad 464 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 4: at me. You know, they weren't. They weren't mad at 465 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 4: me at the start. You know, they told me everyone 466 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 4: makes mistakes. But now I'm losing like a lot of 467 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 4: things that I had going for me, and I don't know, 468 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 4: it's just just kind of I don't know. I live 469 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 4: in a I live in a really unpopulated place in Georgia, 470 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 4: and my parents, you know, I'm a very smart kid, 471 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 4: and this is going to be my senior year, so 472 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 4: I don't know. 473 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: All right, So you're eighteen years old, a senior in 474 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: high school. 475 00:29:59,080 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 4: And you. 476 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: We're kicked out of where you were going in place 477 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: to a smaller class. How recently were you kicked out? 478 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 4: I was kicked out. Let me think it had to 479 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 4: be April April because it was my birthday, So April. 480 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 4: It was two weeks before my birthday, Okay. 481 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: And you said that a lot of the things you 482 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: had going for you have been ruined by this. What 483 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: were some of those things? Okay? 484 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 4: So I'm actually very good encoding. I want to pursue 485 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 4: cyber technology, making scripts and writing code, and I have. 486 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 4: I was on the way to get at least like 487 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 4: five credits into different technology classes. And the school I'm 488 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 4: going to doesn't have any electives at all, so I 489 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 4: can't continue that unless I do I go to another 490 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 4: school and there's not one near me. 491 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 5: So well literally move. 492 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: Okay, So that so let's get into that. Really really 493 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: is that? Is that the main one or are there others? 494 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: When it comes to things that you had going for you? 495 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: That's the main one, is the coding thing. Okay, So 496 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: what is it that you wanted to do with coding exactly? 497 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: You said you wanted to go into you know, iation technology. 498 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: I'm sorry if if you could repeat that. 499 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 4: I actually enjoy I actually enjoy writing games. That was 500 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 4: one of the things I like doing. I know that's 501 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 4: kind of like cliche, but it actually is fun to 502 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 4: make video games, like hand old video games. I enjoy 503 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 4: that a lot. 504 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: Well, Trey, you know, uh, here's some great news for you, man, 505 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: is that you know, there are there are a few 506 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: careers out there that really require you to go to school. 507 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: And luckily you can learn how to code on fucking 508 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: YouTube and you don't need to be in any sort 509 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: of formal school to know how to do it. 510 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 4: I just get. I just get. So the whole reason 511 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 4: I'm just calling you, I just I've made my parents 512 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 4: so disappointed in me and the surrounding family, and I'm 513 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 4: kind of just at the point where, you know, if 514 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 4: I don't figure out something to show on paper to them, 515 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 4: that they're not going to be proud of me at all. 516 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 4: I wake up every day and see failure, you know 517 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 4: what I mean. It's just they they don't even look 518 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 4: at me the same. And I know that's kind of 519 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 4: that sounds like bad painting, but it kind of is 520 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 4: because they don't. They don't show the same kind of 521 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 4: hierarchy to me as they did before. And it's just 522 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 4: like what did they get? You know what I mean? 523 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm hm. 524 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: You know, I have a couple of things that I'm feeling, 525 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: is well, Okay, when we first started this, you said 526 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: to me, you said to me, you said, I'm a 527 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: smart guy. So clearly you have, you know, outside of 528 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: what your parents think of you at this very moment, 529 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: you have and maybe it fluctuates day to day, but 530 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: it's there, this rock of self esteem and rock of 531 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: knowledge that you are a capable human being, or else 532 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: you wouldn't have said that little thing that you know 533 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: that you're smart. Yeah, so that's there. 534 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 4: I it's just you know, every year at the awards ceremonies, 535 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,720 Speaker 4: I've taken them things. I've always been a straight a student. 536 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 4: And I don't want to tell. I don't want to 537 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 4: say what I got kicked off for. What was pretty bad, 538 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 4: but I made a dumb decision. I shouldn't have done 539 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 4: what I did. And they they were cool with it 540 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 4: for about I'd say two weeks. They were cool with 541 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 4: me getting kicked out, and then it came to what 542 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 4: school are you gonna do to? What are you going 543 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 4: to do with your life? Are you? Are you serious 544 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 4: right now? You get yourself kicked out? Are you kidding me? 545 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 4: It's just the things like that, Like my dad he was, 546 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 4: he was so chill with me when they when they 547 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 4: were in the meeting room with our headmaster or whatever, 548 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 4: and he just, you know, he was like, we're going 549 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,439 Speaker 4: to get through this, We're gonna we're gonna be better. 550 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,919 Speaker 4: And then after that it just went out the roof, 551 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I'm sorry to get kind 552 00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 4: of emotionally because like I'm. 553 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: Sorry, no yeah, sorry, that big deal. No no, no no, 554 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: uh makes you happy to talk to you about this stuff. 555 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 1: So your mom and your dad, uh, do they both 556 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: have similar feelings? Uh? 557 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 2: Uh? 558 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 1: Towards that situation. 559 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 4: My mom was more comforting in the beginning, and then 560 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 4: you know she because I'm I. I've always been her babe, 561 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 4: you know, her little everything. And then all of a sudden, 562 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 4: my dad he wants to come in, and I feel 563 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 4: like maybe it is leaning more towards my dad because 564 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 4: he's always thought high way of me and he's always 565 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 4: been proud of me, and then all of a sudden he. 566 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:49,879 Speaker 5: Just takes it away. 567 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 2: M hm hm. 568 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 4: These uh. I do you think my mom is I 569 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,399 Speaker 4: think she's of leading on the side of I think 570 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 4: my mom is kind of leading on the side of 571 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 4: she's she's got like she believes in me still, but 572 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 4: I don't think my dad really does. And I think 573 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 4: my dad really thinks I'm a failure and everything. I 574 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 4: don't know, what do you. 575 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: Tell me this? So try tell me this that your 576 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:32,320 Speaker 1: parents proudness in you, what do you believe it is 577 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: based on? 578 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 4: I'd have to say with my mom, she's just proud 579 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 4: of me in general, of me doing you know, anything, anything, 580 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 4: And my dad, I think it would have to be 581 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 4: a materialistic value. You know, he's only proud of me 582 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 4: when I do something that is beneficial to my life 583 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 4: or beneficial to him as a person that may him 584 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 4: look good. I don't think it was ever necessarily him 585 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,399 Speaker 4: being proud of something that made me benefit. I think 586 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 4: he's selfish. That's that's basically the root of it. I 587 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 4: think my dad's selfish. He's a he's like a bread winner. 588 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 4: And I just I I've thought about dropping out because 589 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 4: I know that there is careers like that. But at 590 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 4: the same time, I know it's just going to make 591 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 4: it ten times worse for me because he's just going 592 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 4: to think ten times more that I'm a failure. But 593 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 4: at the same time, I just want to shove it 594 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 4: in his face that I've graduated and I've done what 595 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 4: I knew I could because I am smart, I make 596 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 4: good grades. I just made a dumb decision. And my 597 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 4: dumb decision had nothing to do with academics, you know, 598 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 4: it was just a dumb It was just a dumb thing. 599 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:53,800 Speaker 2: You know. 600 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,439 Speaker 4: Actually, I don't care what I did. I smoked weed 601 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 4: in the bathroom and they saw. 602 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: Really that's it. You smoked weight in the bathroom. Oh, 603 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: tray tray tray tray, tray tray tray. 604 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 2: Man. 605 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,320 Speaker 1: Listen, let me tell you something. Okay, you you have 606 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: as I said before, you have uh and you know this, 607 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:28,359 Speaker 1: your confidence in yourself, it's there. I'm sure fluctuates. I'm 608 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: sure that there are still external factors that influence it. 609 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: That would be better if it didn't influence it. All 610 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: I feel like you should do is water that internal confidence. 611 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 1: You're lucky that it's that it's there, and now all 612 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:47,240 Speaker 1: you have to do is is water it. Your father 613 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 1: only seeing only having pride in you based on materialistic 614 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: things is very much his problem. And you're not going 615 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: to arrive at this overnight. You're extremely young. But eventually, 616 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 1: over time, as you do your thing and pursue what 617 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 1: is important to you, as you know that you will, 618 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: I think you will develop a calmness when you think 619 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: of your relationship with your father, if that makes sense, 620 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 1: like like you'll come to peace with this whole thing 621 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: of like my dad only sees value in me from 622 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 1: material objects and like you know, God bless him that 623 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 1: has no effect on me and my life and my confidence, 624 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,760 Speaker 1: because my confidence, my life, my self esteem, my pride 625 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: in myself comes from things that I know and I 626 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,800 Speaker 1: believe to be true. Comes from things that are important 627 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 1: to me. You know, I don't know what is important 628 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: to you. In fact, let's get into that real quick. 629 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 1: What is it that makes you proud of yourself? 630 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 4: You know, when I accomplish something that like I've been 631 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 4: wanting to do, like when I get learned a new skill, 632 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 4: or when i'm when I finally you know, figure something out. 633 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 4: You know, the biggest I think the biggest accomplishment of 634 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 4: my life was you know, becoming good as something. You know, 635 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,360 Speaker 4: just in general, I like to like to just be 636 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 4: good at things, you know, Like I don't ever want 637 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 4: to just look at myself and say I can't do it. 638 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 4: I want to try and do it. I don't know, 639 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 4: I just feel like I feel like this was like 640 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 4: a big just like a bump in the road for 641 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 4: me because I've always had the mentality of if you 642 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 4: want it, go get it, And now I can't. 643 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 1: Why why can't you? What do you mean you can't? 644 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:21,440 Speaker 4: I just there's just so much holding me back. I've 645 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:28,399 Speaker 4: literally I if I moved out, you know, I'm gonna 646 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 4: get harassed by my dad and he's just gonna he's 647 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 4: just gonna just just disown me. If if I tried 648 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 4: and to not pass school, you know, he's just gonna 649 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 4: be in my ear about it. I just, I just 650 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 4: I just want to do my best while I can. 651 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,879 Speaker 4: And if my best is not good enough for him'm 652 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 4: actually you know, he can screw it now that I 653 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 4: think about it, because I've done I've done it, I've 654 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 4: done the most I can do. I'm generally like the 655 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 4: perfect son to him. He has leave the bathroom because 656 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,320 Speaker 4: I was trying to get high. Get high, bro. It 657 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 4: felt good, it did, it felt good. I hate a blinker. 658 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 4: And the only reason they found out is because I 659 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 4: still I fill out in the middle class. 660 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 1: Tray please, tray, tray, if if please, let if if no, 661 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 1: if nobody in your life or who you've been talking 662 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: to in the past few weeks has has told you 663 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: this yet I am honored to to hope, hopefully not 664 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:28,840 Speaker 1: be the first. But I am honored to tell you 665 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: that although you smoked weed in a bathroom, there is 666 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: remains many, many, many, many many opportunities UH for for 667 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,919 Speaker 1: you to be successful in life, that that uh does 668 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,359 Speaker 1: absolutely nothing to define you in any way at all. 669 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,919 Speaker 1: I think it's horrible that you feel as though it does, 670 00:42:55,320 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 1: because it's such a nothing thing. I smoke weed in 671 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:08,440 Speaker 1: bathrooms all the time every day, and things are going 672 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 1: pretty decent. Dude. Please don't, please, please please don't let 673 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 1: this be dude, Please, please don't let this change your 674 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 1: perspective of yourself and and and your opportunities in life. 675 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,760 Speaker 1: Please don't. I know that because you're like I remember 676 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,400 Speaker 1: being in high fucking high school and everything was like 677 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 1: life and death and shit. But please, I'm telling you 678 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,759 Speaker 1: it's not. Please don't feel this way. Even if your 679 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 1: dad is trying to get you to feel this way, 680 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,839 Speaker 1: or your mom or whatever guidance counselor person is trying 681 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: to get you to feel this way. The world does 682 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,360 Speaker 1: not work like that. Even though you have people around 683 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:53,319 Speaker 1: you convincing you it does, it really doesn't. And you're 684 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,400 Speaker 1: not some fucking guy who you know. We can all 685 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 1: tell that you have the desire to do shit and 686 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,400 Speaker 1: that's all that you need. Man. You have that you 687 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 1: have the Internet at your disposal. You have all the 688 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,280 Speaker 1: infinite resources you could possibly need to learn these skills 689 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 1: that you want to learn, and dude, fucking go for it. Please, 690 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,239 Speaker 1: please don't let the fact that you got suspended when 691 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 1: you were eighteen for smoking weed in the bathroom have 692 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,799 Speaker 1: any effect on your belief as to what you can 693 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,919 Speaker 1: do with your life moving forward. I mean, that's crazy. Man. 694 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 1: You're going to look back on this when you're twenty 695 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,760 Speaker 1: four and you're gonna be like that was funny. 696 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,719 Speaker 4: You want to know something else is really fucked up 697 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 4: about this situation. 698 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: Sure, my girlfriend of. 699 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 4: Six months that I was dating, we met in middle 700 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 4: school and we've been like best friends only lest you 701 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,759 Speaker 4: definitely popped through the question, you know, do you do 702 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 4: you think you want to be more than friends? The 703 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:03,880 Speaker 4: day that I got kicked out of school, I was 704 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,759 Speaker 4: blocked on everything. Her mother called me, told me to 705 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,479 Speaker 4: come and get some of my things from our house 706 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 4: and that she didn't want to be involved with her 707 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 4: daughter anymore at all. And I have And that was 708 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:19,840 Speaker 4: that was That was. 709 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 1: Trey, Man, you're cutting out a little bit. But are 710 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 1: you saying that she dumped you because you got caught 711 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:29,400 Speaker 1: smoking weed in the bathroom? 712 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 4: Yes, exactly exactly, And I think it was. 713 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: Tray, listen, I know that, try, I know that you 714 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,440 Speaker 1: know you're you're in high school and this ship all 715 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:51,880 Speaker 1: feels very very real right now. But dude, yes, dude, 716 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 1: oh my god, dude, you know you know it's funny. Man, 717 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,840 Speaker 1: it's fun talking to you because I I remember, like, 718 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,920 Speaker 1: because I did shit like that, you know, fucking taking 719 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,799 Speaker 1: weed edibles and going to class and shit. And it's 720 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,759 Speaker 1: just like you at this period in your life, you're 721 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,640 Speaker 1: living in such a like defined so like everything in 722 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,920 Speaker 1: high school, like there's this rule book and if it's 723 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 1: against the rules, it's bad, and if it isn't, it's 724 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,520 Speaker 1: you know, getting grades is good and smoking weed is bad. 725 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,840 Speaker 1: And in the real world there's no fucking binaries of 726 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,279 Speaker 1: rules of things like this. I'm fucking kind of rambling here, 727 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,200 Speaker 1: but dude, if anything, bottom line, Tray, can I tell 728 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,719 Speaker 1: you this bottom line? Focus on what you want. 729 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:42,960 Speaker 4: Man. 730 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,640 Speaker 1: You seem like you want to pursue skills, seem like 731 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 1: you want to learn it, seems like you want to 732 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:49,960 Speaker 1: pursue coding, you want to make games, you want to 733 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,879 Speaker 1: do things like that. Dude, Just do that. Don't get 734 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,239 Speaker 1: all in your head. Don't let your dad get in 735 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,200 Speaker 1: your head. Don't let this girl get in your head. 736 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 1: Don't let the school thing get in your head, don't 737 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,520 Speaker 1: your mom get in your head. Just really focus on 738 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,759 Speaker 1: going on YouTube, going on Reddit, whatever it is, where 739 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,880 Speaker 1: you can learn how to do the things that you 740 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,840 Speaker 1: want to do. And when you get out into the 741 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:17,960 Speaker 1: real world, you'll learn that. You know, as long as 742 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,240 Speaker 1: you have this skill that you can use to provide 743 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,960 Speaker 1: value to other people, nobody's gonna give up. Fuck if 744 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,040 Speaker 1: you smoked weed in the bathroom, and I'm sure eventually 745 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,360 Speaker 1: you will find a nice girl to hang out and 746 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,919 Speaker 1: smoke weed in bathrooms with. So please, man, I'm really 747 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,960 Speaker 1: telling you, please, don't let your dad or your mom 748 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,520 Speaker 1: or anything. I'm saying it again because I really believe it. 749 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,200 Speaker 1: Don't let any these people get into your head. Man, 750 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,400 Speaker 1: Just don't. All right, please take it from me. Man, 751 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,720 Speaker 1: Like you seem like this, learning these skills is important 752 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,440 Speaker 1: to you. Just hunker down and do that. Don't let 753 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,719 Speaker 1: anyone else get into your head, and you're gonna find 754 00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,359 Speaker 1: yourself in a much much mony. It's gonna take time, 755 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,600 Speaker 1: but you're gonna find yourself in a much better position 756 00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,239 Speaker 1: a few years from now, where you'll be able to 757 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,720 Speaker 1: look back on this and it'll be funny. And also, 758 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,319 Speaker 1: you know, at this age, when you're reliant on your 759 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,880 Speaker 1: parents for things, your relationship with them is so much different. 760 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,160 Speaker 1: And I promise you, when you eventually do get to 761 00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,080 Speaker 1: the point, as I know you will, because you are 762 00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:28,800 Speaker 1: a smart guy, and you are you know, inclined towards 763 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:33,280 Speaker 1: making something of yourself and learning skills to provide value, 764 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,040 Speaker 1: you will eventually make enough money to live on your own, 765 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,719 Speaker 1: to eat food on your own, to pay for your 766 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,360 Speaker 1: own fucking phone bill, and you won't need your parents financially. 767 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,800 Speaker 1: And when that happens, your relationship with them is gonna 768 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,800 Speaker 1: be so much better because it'll all be elective. You 769 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:54,040 Speaker 1: won't need anything from them, and it'll be so much better. 770 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if any of the things I'm saying 771 00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,120 Speaker 1: to you are fascinating, but. 772 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,920 Speaker 4: Let me just tell you one thing. It was like 773 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,160 Speaker 4: it was a good process for me that I got 774 00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:13,080 Speaker 4: to do this because I just I really like, I 775 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,080 Speaker 4: really like bonding with people, you know, because they make 776 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,440 Speaker 4: me feel a lot better, a lot better about myself, 777 00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,120 Speaker 4: and the chat like really boosting my ego a little bit. 778 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,560 Speaker 4: And you know, I sound a lot happier now. I 779 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,399 Speaker 4: just I just like this made my day sometimes better, 780 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,640 Speaker 4: my weak even maybe even my mud because I haven't 781 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,719 Speaker 4: really been talking to anybody. I've been really secluded. I've 782 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,480 Speaker 4: just been kind of doing my own thing, and I 783 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,480 Speaker 4: feel like I need to get out and try to 784 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,839 Speaker 4: make something better of myself because I actually was being 785 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:47,320 Speaker 4: that failure that he told me I was, So you 786 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,320 Speaker 4: know what, I just thank you, thank you. 787 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,600 Speaker 5: I'm happy that this happened. 788 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:53,960 Speaker 1: Good man, thank you for talking to me about that. 789 00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:58,840 Speaker 1: I'm actually, yeah, if I. 790 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,920 Speaker 4: Want to smoke fat ass dad pen after this, I 791 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,879 Speaker 4: will because I'm about to get high at fuck, That's 792 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,000 Speaker 4: what I'm gonna do. And fuck if he walks in 793 00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,920 Speaker 4: my room, I'm a laugh at e. I'm a laugh atty. 794 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:12,120 Speaker 4: That's what I'm gonna do. 795 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 1: Trey, listen, man, you know, I'm glad I got to 796 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:17,760 Speaker 1: talk to you too, because I just did. I remember 797 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,960 Speaker 1: fucking being in high school and everyone had their sort 798 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:27,719 Speaker 1: of idea of what success was and whatnot, and I 799 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,800 Speaker 1: felt really constrained by it. And I don't know, I 800 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,480 Speaker 1: hope that you, you know, find it in yourself to 801 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,239 Speaker 1: define what success is for yourself and pursue it and 802 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,040 Speaker 1: not let anyone else get in your head about it. 803 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,840 Speaker 4: And I won't. I won't. I'm gonna do better than 804 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:49,239 Speaker 4: this day. 805 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:49,440 Speaker 5: Man. 806 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:51,279 Speaker 4: Fuck what other people say. 807 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,480 Speaker 5: I'm loosted up, bro, I'm. 808 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,759 Speaker 1: Bost up, Trey, Is there anything else you want to 809 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,200 Speaker 1: say to the people of the computer before we go? 810 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:01,560 Speaker 4: Fuck bitches, get money. 811 00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:09,880 Speaker 1: Thanks for calling, Trey. You're welcome, Love you, love all Youah, 812 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,480 Speaker 1: Try try There's one important thing I forgot to tell you. 813 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:13,799 Speaker 2: Try. 814 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,360 Speaker 1: There's one important thing I forgot to tell you. And 815 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:20,520 Speaker 1: and I and I sort of there's one important thing 816 00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,040 Speaker 1: I forgot to tell you, and I I I this 817 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:29,279 Speaker 1: is important. Try so listen to this cause I didn't 818 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,600 Speaker 1: tell you this because I was hearing I was hearing 819 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:38,439 Speaker 1: this in your voice a little bit. Don't go into 820 00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:43,799 Speaker 1: the whole. At the very end, you were all like, well, 821 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,040 Speaker 1: fuck my dad and fuck my mom and fuck them 822 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,880 Speaker 1: and fuck this and fuck you and fuck these people 823 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,440 Speaker 1: and funck all this. Don't don't. I understand the inclination 824 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:57,560 Speaker 1: to have that. I understand the inclination to have that 825 00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,400 Speaker 1: be a guiding force for you, because you know it 826 00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,640 Speaker 1: riles you up and gets you motivated. But it's not 827 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:10,920 Speaker 1: a sustainable form of energy, and it only will reinforce 828 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:18,520 Speaker 1: their role as puppet masters in your life. So if 829 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:24,800 Speaker 1: you're listening, don't you know, don't go and make a 830 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,320 Speaker 1: bunch of successful video games or apps, or get a 831 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,160 Speaker 1: job you really wanted or anything like that in the 832 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:37,319 Speaker 1: name of proving your parents wrong. That's not a good 833 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,240 Speaker 1: reason to do things, and it still holds you captive 834 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,880 Speaker 1: to their grasp. Do it because you want to do it, 835 00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,400 Speaker 1: Do it because you believe in yourself. Don't do it 836 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:52,400 Speaker 1: for them. Treat your parents with nothing but love and appreciation. 837 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,640 Speaker 1: And part of that love and appreciation is disagreeing with 838 00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:03,120 Speaker 1: them their ideas of what success and failure is. But 839 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:08,040 Speaker 1: don't let yourself, you know, don't let your train run 840 00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,320 Speaker 1: on the energy of you know, fuck them and I 841 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,120 Speaker 1: want to prove them wrong because it's not going to 842 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:18,520 Speaker 1: work out for you doing that. That was all I 843 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,120 Speaker 1: had left to say. What is going on with you, Molina? 844 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,440 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm just hanging out, you know, just as usual. 845 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,400 Speaker 3: I'm about to maybe go in the pool with my 846 00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:31,960 Speaker 3: nieces and my sister, and the only person here who 847 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,080 Speaker 3: knows who you are is my brother. 848 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,479 Speaker 1: That's totally fine. Uh well, Melina, is there a reason 849 00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,600 Speaker 1: why you called in today, anything in particular you wanted 850 00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,120 Speaker 1: to talk about. Yeah? 851 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:48,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I just recently started becoming a stripper. 852 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:49,480 Speaker 2: Now. 853 00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,000 Speaker 3: I live in San Diego, so I strip in San Diego. 854 00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:53,839 Speaker 3: So I figured there was probably a lot of things 855 00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:55,960 Speaker 3: we could talk about with me being a baby stripper. 856 00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:01,719 Speaker 1: Okay, tell me those things. What, uh well, what inspired 857 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,800 Speaker 1: you to start to start stripping? 858 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:07,000 Speaker 5: Well? 859 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,000 Speaker 3: What inspired me? Well, I mean, I don't know if 860 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,880 Speaker 3: this is going to sound just like totally awful, but 861 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,440 Speaker 3: I know a lot of people listening will probably relate. 862 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,520 Speaker 3: I've kind of like always wanted to be a stripper. 863 00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,920 Speaker 3: So I was probably in like third grade when I'm 864 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,400 Speaker 3: in Love with a Stripper came out. And you know, 865 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,719 Speaker 3: I grew up with five older sisters. As you can 866 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:29,399 Speaker 3: hear in the background, I have a gigantic family. And yeah, 867 00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,719 Speaker 3: and on that note, my aunt also used to be 868 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,720 Speaker 3: a stripper when I was in high school. She actually 869 00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,759 Speaker 3: used to dance at the same club that I dance 870 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,440 Speaker 3: at now. So I mean, there's just a lot of reasons. 871 00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,000 Speaker 3: My mom used to be a dance instructor before I 872 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,840 Speaker 3: was born, and like my first concert was like eminem 873 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,760 Speaker 3: and Little John east Side Boys. When I was nine, 874 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,680 Speaker 3: my mom took me, So yeah, I mean it's kind 875 00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,439 Speaker 3: of like why not. But I also had some things 876 00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,960 Speaker 3: happen in life where like I had to come up 877 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,720 Speaker 3: with a lot of money really quickly, and I couldn't 878 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,520 Speaker 3: work like normal business hours because I come from like 879 00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,759 Speaker 3: the corporate world, and I also used to manage like 880 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,360 Speaker 3: a lot of different things. So it's not like, you know, 881 00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:11,920 Speaker 3: I needed to be a stripper, but I did for 882 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,160 Speaker 3: the money and I did for the hours, and it 883 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,360 Speaker 3: just was something I always wanted to do. And the 884 00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,359 Speaker 3: bad thing that happened in my life kind of led 885 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,360 Speaker 3: me to like this one good thing in my eyes, 886 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,440 Speaker 3: which is a silver lining that I get to do 887 00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:24,600 Speaker 3: something I've always wanted to do. 888 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,640 Speaker 1: So you said that you've always wanted to do this. 889 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,080 Speaker 1: It says you're twenty seven years old. Why did you 890 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:40,120 Speaker 1: wait until you know, so late to pursue this, Well, 891 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:40,920 Speaker 1: I'm twenty. 892 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,160 Speaker 3: Six, almost twenty seven. But because I was always in 893 00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,400 Speaker 3: like relationships and like long term ones. You know, I 894 00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,320 Speaker 3: was in one for a really long time when I 895 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,920 Speaker 3: was in high school. So for about eight years, my 896 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,080 Speaker 3: high school sweetheart and I were together until I was 897 00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,799 Speaker 3: about twenty three, and then you know, like a few 898 00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,239 Speaker 3: things in between, you know, us breaking up, there a 899 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,280 Speaker 3: few different like relationships, but then another long term relationship 900 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,040 Speaker 3: which ends up being the father of my child. So 901 00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,800 Speaker 3: I also have a ten month old son, So it's like, 902 00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,320 Speaker 3: that's actually what happened. Where now I need to you know, 903 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,080 Speaker 3: come up with money really quickly. Is I'm I'm in 904 00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,719 Speaker 3: a custody battle for my son right now, and I 905 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,799 Speaker 3: can't pay the lawyer's fees and I can't pay all 906 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,400 Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. So I was like, hey, I 907 00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,160 Speaker 3: mean it's legal, it's a license, Like I talked to 908 00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,480 Speaker 3: my lawyer about it, So it just kind of seemed 909 00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,319 Speaker 3: like the right thing to do. Like it was also 910 00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,200 Speaker 3: not gonna lie like a pain point for my for 911 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,080 Speaker 3: the father and my child. For my baby daddy. He 912 00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,920 Speaker 3: was always like, oh, like, you cannot do that. Even 913 00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,320 Speaker 3: though I'd ask him. He wouldn't let me have only fans, 914 00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,880 Speaker 3: you know, he wouldn't let me dance. So now it's like, 915 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,320 Speaker 3: not only do I get to do that because like 916 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,680 Speaker 3: we're apart, but now like I need to because. 917 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,719 Speaker 2: He's taking me through this nasty custody battle, so you. 918 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:54,680 Speaker 3: Know it kind of so. 919 00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,200 Speaker 1: Wh how long have you been in this custom city 920 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:00,719 Speaker 1: battle for? 921 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:08,320 Speaker 3: Since my baby was six months old? So five months now, okay? 922 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,640 Speaker 1: And you are not on good terms with the father? 923 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:15,879 Speaker 3: No, we're not on good terms with each other. 924 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:16,920 Speaker 1: Okay. 925 00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,720 Speaker 3: Do you see his parents because the father is a 926 00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:21,640 Speaker 3: lot younger than me. 927 00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:26,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, do you see yourself being able to eventually 928 00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,240 Speaker 1: work this out and get it to a less stressful place? 929 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. I mean I feel like it's actually leveling 930 00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,880 Speaker 3: out right now, Like I have my next court dates 931 00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,520 Speaker 3: coming up. It's leveling out right now. I see my 932 00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,320 Speaker 3: son a lot, and so that's good. 933 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:46,200 Speaker 4: And the time that I. 934 00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,000 Speaker 3: See my son's only going to increase, So like that 935 00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,760 Speaker 3: part of the situation is really bad. But like I said, 936 00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,800 Speaker 3: just trying to like look at the silver lining, which 937 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,600 Speaker 3: is like, this is something I've always wanted to do 938 00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,240 Speaker 3: and now I get to do it, and it's also 939 00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,000 Speaker 3: helping me get through my situation. So I feel like 940 00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:02,640 Speaker 3: it's almost leveling out right now. 941 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:08,480 Speaker 1: And and the the relationship with the father of the child, 942 00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,920 Speaker 1: you know, is it is it sort of catastrophic to 943 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,840 Speaker 1: a point where you know, you don't think it will 944 00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,480 Speaker 1: settle down and you guys will be able to co 945 00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,000 Speaker 1: parent together, because it's I feel like that's got to 946 00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,600 Speaker 1: be difficult if you're not in a situation where you 947 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,240 Speaker 1: know you're not even on speaking terms with the father 948 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,040 Speaker 1: of your child, because you guys have so many things 949 00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,240 Speaker 1: that you know you have to work out between each other, 950 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:36,200 Speaker 1: right right. 951 00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,480 Speaker 3: I think that eventually it will because and that's getting 952 00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,320 Speaker 3: into something like a lot like different and deeper, which 953 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,520 Speaker 3: I mean, hey, we can get into it, but we 954 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,440 Speaker 3: me and him, like we have a lot of the 955 00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,960 Speaker 3: same beliefs, Like I like to say even now, like 956 00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,720 Speaker 3: there's a reason I chose him to be the father 957 00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,440 Speaker 3: of my child, Like I do have like faith and 958 00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,080 Speaker 3: trust in him, and like we do have a lot 959 00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,120 Speaker 3: of the same beliefs and everything, and he and I 960 00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,280 Speaker 3: truly believe that, like we're soalmates. And you know, like 961 00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,720 Speaker 3: if we don't find each other again in this dimension 962 00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,560 Speaker 3: in that love sense, like we will find it again 963 00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,680 Speaker 3: in another one. And we're definitely always both going to 964 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,760 Speaker 3: be the parents to this child, and we love him 965 00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,720 Speaker 3: more than anything on this earth, Like me and the 966 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,480 Speaker 3: father both love the child more than anything on the planet. 967 00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:20,800 Speaker 3: So I think that we will always be able to 968 00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,160 Speaker 3: come back to a point where we can reconcile the differences, 969 00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,520 Speaker 3: at least a co parent. But I would go beyond 970 00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,439 Speaker 3: that to say that we might get to the point 971 00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,400 Speaker 3: where we could be back together and as long as 972 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:31,960 Speaker 3: it's a few years down the line and we both 973 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,000 Speaker 3: get like the help that we need. 974 00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:38,520 Speaker 1: Okay, that's good to hear that you have some optimism 975 00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,760 Speaker 1: for the future of that relationship. I'm hoping that the 976 00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:46,160 Speaker 1: optimism for the future that relationship is you know, it 977 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,880 Speaker 1: comes from a grounded place where you can still operate 978 00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:54,240 Speaker 1: and do your stuff without I guess holding out for 979 00:59:54,360 --> 01:00:00,800 Speaker 1: this guy. So has your family It sounds you're very 980 01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:08,600 Speaker 1: very much a family oriented person. Yes, yes, And has 981 01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:12,240 Speaker 1: your family been supportive of your decision to go and stripping? 982 01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:20,360 Speaker 3: Oddly enough, my dad has been the most supportive, like 983 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,040 Speaker 3: my actual father and yeah, but other than that, my 984 01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:25,760 Speaker 3: whole family knows, which I've. 985 01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,400 Speaker 2: Found is not super common. 986 01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,560 Speaker 3: Like when I'm talking to other dancers, like a lot 987 01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,439 Speaker 3: of the dancers' families don't even know. So I feel 988 01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,080 Speaker 3: like the fact that like my family knows, and like 989 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,160 Speaker 3: I'm able to be open with them about it is 990 01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,480 Speaker 3: them being supportive enough, you know, like they're not always 991 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,240 Speaker 3: gonna like everything that I do. But my dad is 992 01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:46,880 Speaker 3: super supportive, and yeah, actually just gave me a big 993 01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:50,280 Speaker 3: chunk of money to upgrade my license so I can 994 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,080 Speaker 3: dance at different clubs, which means more money. So yeah, 995 01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,600 Speaker 3: I feel like my family's been super super supportive. And 996 01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,680 Speaker 3: I mean, like right now I'm standing in my brother's 997 01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,360 Speaker 3: room talking about this in front of him when he's eighteen, 998 01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,320 Speaker 3: So I mean, they're as supportive as they can be. 999 01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:04,680 Speaker 2: Right. 1000 01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,000 Speaker 1: Have you always had a really good relationship with your dad? 1001 01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,200 Speaker 3: With my dad, now it's been actually like a really 1002 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,200 Speaker 3: bad relationship. It was not until all of this happened 1003 01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,320 Speaker 3: with my son that my relationship kind of with my 1004 01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:19,720 Speaker 3: dad kind of got back together. 1005 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,760 Speaker 1: Interesting, how do you feel like the lowest point in 1006 01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,080 Speaker 1: my life, how do you feel like your son sort 1007 01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:31,600 Speaker 1: of changed the dynamic between you and your dad. 1008 01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:36,479 Speaker 3: Because I was at the lowest point of my life 1009 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,360 Speaker 3: and even at the end of my pregnancy there I 1010 01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:43,720 Speaker 3: was getting sick often, so like you know, throwing up 1011 01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:45,760 Speaker 3: for like sixteen hours at a time and needing to 1012 01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,400 Speaker 3: be carried down the stairs into like the emergency room 1013 01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,440 Speaker 3: type thing, and there was a couple of times that 1014 01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,760 Speaker 3: we had no choice but to call my dad to 1015 01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,440 Speaker 3: come help like carry me, and so that was like, 1016 01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:57,720 Speaker 3: you know, kind of like broke the eyes. But then 1017 01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,840 Speaker 3: after I had my son, like this is my first child, 1018 01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,880 Speaker 3: and my dad doesn't have a good relationship with my 1019 01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,320 Speaker 3: sister and her kids. So I feel like he was 1020 01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,920 Speaker 3: like excited, kind of like a clean slate and wanted 1021 01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,400 Speaker 3: to like you know, move past everything for that reason. 1022 01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,360 Speaker 3: But when everything happened with my son, like when I 1023 01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,760 Speaker 3: actually like you know, broke up with my baby daddy 1024 01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:18,240 Speaker 3: and you know. 1025 01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,320 Speaker 2: We went through this custody battle we started it. 1026 01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,480 Speaker 3: My dad was one of the only people that was 1027 01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,200 Speaker 3: like there for me, you know what I mean. Like 1028 01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:29,280 Speaker 3: it was actually like a super bad situation where I 1029 01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,640 Speaker 3: needed to be like taken out of another state and 1030 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,280 Speaker 3: brought back home, and my dad like ends up paying 1031 01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,880 Speaker 3: like a four hundred dollars like cab fee to get 1032 01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,160 Speaker 3: me down, you know, to the airport and you know, 1033 01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:40,800 Speaker 3: like make sure I got on the flight and everything 1034 01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,200 Speaker 3: like that. So I feel like he kind of used 1035 01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,680 Speaker 3: that catastrophe in my life to like show that he 1036 01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,800 Speaker 3: can be there for me now. Even though he wasn't 1037 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:49,600 Speaker 3: when I was a kid. 1038 01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:54,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, So so he he kind of wasn't 1039 01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:56,360 Speaker 1: stepping up to the plate for you while you were 1040 01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,720 Speaker 1: growing up, and he saw this as an opportunity to 1041 01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,440 Speaker 1: show that he's changed and that he wants to be 1042 01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,640 Speaker 1: an active part of your life and help you out. 1043 01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, especially because it is about my son, you know, 1044 01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:11,640 Speaker 3: so it's like the biggest part of my life. Like 1045 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,080 Speaker 3: I feel like I was made to be a mom, 1046 01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,800 Speaker 3: you know, like this's totally destroyed my life when it's happened. 1047 01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,640 Speaker 3: And so yeah, like him stepping in and saying, like, 1048 01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,320 Speaker 3: we'll do what we have to do to make sure 1049 01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,520 Speaker 3: that we maintain your son's presence in your life. But 1050 01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,680 Speaker 3: like it was like the most impactful. 1051 01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:26,000 Speaker 4: Thing he could have done. 1052 01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's awesome. It sounds like you're surrounded by 1053 01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:33,160 Speaker 1: by good people that and also it kind of sounds 1054 01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:37,000 Speaker 1: like it took you a while for everyone to kind 1055 01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,520 Speaker 1: of get on this solid footing that everyone's on. 1056 01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,880 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, definitely, what would. 1057 01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,280 Speaker 1: You say, I mean, before we go, and I appreciate 1058 01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:49,720 Speaker 1: you sharing all this stuff with us, What would you 1059 01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,800 Speaker 1: say or like, you know, at this very moment because 1060 01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,240 Speaker 1: it sounds like you went through a lot of conflict 1061 01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:59,240 Speaker 1: and the conflict is kind of settling and resolving. What 1062 01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,400 Speaker 1: would you say are the biggest pain points in your 1063 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,920 Speaker 1: life right now that you that you hope to resolve. 1064 01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,520 Speaker 3: That I don't have a fifty percent custody of my child, 1065 01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,640 Speaker 3: like I want, you know, to raise him equally with 1066 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,760 Speaker 3: his father. That drives like every thought and everything in 1067 01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:21,640 Speaker 3: my brain, you know. So that's why I was like 1068 01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,880 Speaker 3: when I tried, when I thought about calling in, it's 1069 01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,160 Speaker 3: funny because I tried not to talk about this, but 1070 01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,320 Speaker 3: here we are talking about it anyway, not because I 1071 01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,080 Speaker 3: didn't want to, but because you know, like you don't 1072 01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:34,400 Speaker 3: always do like these serious discussions and everything. But yeah, 1073 01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,040 Speaker 3: like my son is like the forefront of every thought 1074 01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,280 Speaker 3: in my brain. So that really still is a pain 1075 01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,360 Speaker 3: point for me, is that, you know, I'm missing his infancy. 1076 01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,680 Speaker 3: It's hard to see him because I see him four 1077 01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,520 Speaker 3: times a week and so that's a lot. But every 1078 01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,320 Speaker 3: time I see him, it's something new, like he'll have 1079 01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,480 Speaker 3: like a new tooth, or like now he can stand, 1080 01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,360 Speaker 3: or he can clap, or he can say mama, you know, 1081 01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,760 Speaker 3: and it's like I miss all of that up until 1082 01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:01,040 Speaker 3: that point. Yeah, and so it's like the borderline of 1083 01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,440 Speaker 3: being grateful that I still get to see it, but 1084 01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,640 Speaker 3: also like the pain of knowing that I don't see 1085 01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,560 Speaker 3: him all of the time and I don't get to 1086 01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:10,000 Speaker 3: put him to bed at night and stuff like that. 1087 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,800 Speaker 3: It also does hurt that, you know, everything with the 1088 01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:15,800 Speaker 3: father of my child, Like, of course, I wish it 1089 01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,680 Speaker 3: hadn't happened that way, and like I wish that we 1090 01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:20,720 Speaker 3: would have worked out. So that's still a paid point. 1091 01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,200 Speaker 3: But obviously I do go to a real therapist, like 1092 01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:27,160 Speaker 3: obviously multiple times a week. So yeah, I mean, but 1093 01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,160 Speaker 3: those are the two things that really stick with me. 1094 01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,000 Speaker 3: But I try to focus on the happy parts and 1095 01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,200 Speaker 3: like do what I can, because you know, you can't 1096 01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,640 Speaker 3: go back and change anything, but you can only go forward. 1097 01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,280 Speaker 1: Well, Melina, thank you for sharing all that stuff. I'm 1098 01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,440 Speaker 1: you know, I remember when at the beginning of this, 1099 01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,640 Speaker 1: when I asked you how the custody battle is seems 1100 01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:52,240 Speaker 1: like it's resolving that you said that it is hopefully 1101 01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,520 Speaker 1: going in a good direction for you, or you'll be 1102 01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,480 Speaker 1: able to see your son at least fifty percent of 1103 01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:00,720 Speaker 1: the time. I hope that works out for you. I'm 1104 01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,680 Speaker 1: glad to hear that, you know, I mean, this doesn't 1105 01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:05,240 Speaker 1: sound like it's the first time in your life where 1106 01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:12,000 Speaker 1: you've experienced something tumultuous that then ended up you know, 1107 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,200 Speaker 1: working out for you. Glad to hear that you have 1108 01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,400 Speaker 1: a lot of good people around you and that things 1109 01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:21,120 Speaker 1: are settling in a good way. Sounds like you very 1110 01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,520 Speaker 1: much enjoy the stripping. I feel like, you know, you 1111 01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,560 Speaker 1: called in mainly to talk about that, but I feel 1112 01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:29,120 Speaker 1: like we got into sort of the this overall portrait 1113 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:33,880 Speaker 1: of your life right right, And yeah, good luck to you. 1114 01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:39,040 Speaker 1: You know, everyone's everyone's kind of trying to like attain 1115 01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:43,000 Speaker 1: this harmony of every you know, their personal life and 1116 01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,400 Speaker 1: their you know, what they're doing for money, and how 1117 01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,480 Speaker 1: things are going with their family and their friends, and 1118 01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:51,200 Speaker 1: you you you sound like you're getting there, So you know, 1119 01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,880 Speaker 1: good luck to you in the future. And is there 1120 01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:55,040 Speaker 1: anything else you want to say to the people a 1121 01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:55,840 Speaker 1: computer before you go? 1122 01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, just if there's anything that you want to do, 1123 01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,720 Speaker 3: just go for it. Because when I first went into 1124 01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,440 Speaker 3: audition for the Strip Club, I had never stepped from 1125 01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,000 Speaker 3: in the strip club, and you know, it was one 1126 01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:10,240 Speaker 3: of the most nerve wracking things that I've ever done. 1127 01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:12,680 Speaker 3: But that goes for anything, you know, like follow your 1128 01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,720 Speaker 3: heart and definitely like listen to your gut feeling, but 1129 01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:19,120 Speaker 3: don't be afraid to take that jump because sometimes it's 1130 01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:21,040 Speaker 3: like the best thing that could have ever happened for you. 1131 01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:22,880 Speaker 3: It's not as scary as it seems. 1132 01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:24,440 Speaker 1: Thank you for calling, Melina. 1133 01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:27,960 Speaker 3: Thank you, have a good day. I love you. 1134 01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:33,160 Speaker 1: Everything goes on the line, making your phone calls every night. 1135 01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:37,640 Speaker 1: Everything goes to teaching your cloud in the of your life. 1136 01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,200 Speaker 1: Body's not ready. An expert