WEBVTT - The State of Reproductive Care

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WOKF Daily with Me

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<v Speaker 1>your Girl, Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker, Folks.

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<v Speaker 1>Tomorrow is the last date of vote. It is election Day,

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<v Speaker 1>and today I wanted to bring you a really hard

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<v Speaker 1>conversation with friend of the show Danielle Campomore, who has

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<v Speaker 1>been an abortion rights advocate, a repro justice advocate, writer

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<v Speaker 1>for a very long time with this show, and Danielle,

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<v Speaker 1>in our conversation, will talk about what it is like

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<v Speaker 1>for her right now to be pregnant with her third

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<v Speaker 1>child in South Dakota, where she is moved to be

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<v Speaker 1>closer to family. And there were parts of this interview

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<v Speaker 1>and conversation that really just gut punched me because the

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<v Speaker 1>fear that Danielle has and what she lays out as

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<v Speaker 1>her birth plan, no woman, no person should have to

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<v Speaker 1>go through. And it just I appreciated her conversation this

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<v Speaker 1>interview so much in really moving what has been happening

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<v Speaker 1>in the headlines into a real space with a person

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<v Speaker 1>that I've known for years. So as some of you

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<v Speaker 1>are listening, you may have already voted. Others are gonna,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, be the traditionalist and head to the polls

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<v Speaker 1>on Tuesday. For family. For friends that may not have

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<v Speaker 1>voted yet, please share this episode with them so they

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<v Speaker 1>can understand what the stakes are if they still, for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever reason, find themselves on the fence. Coming up next,

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<v Speaker 1>my conversation with writer activist Danielle Campomore. Folks, it has

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<v Speaker 1>been a while since I've had the opportunity to speak

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<v Speaker 1>with our friend, freelance writer reporter Danielle Campomore, who if

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<v Speaker 1>you've been listening to WOKF over the years, Danielle has

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<v Speaker 1>provided such incredible reporting, analysis, and insight into the abortion

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<v Speaker 1>movement and into reproductive justice. And Danielle, we've spoken to

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<v Speaker 1>you a number of times since the overturning of Robi Wade,

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<v Speaker 1>but not since you have left New York to move

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<v Speaker 1>back to South Dakota to be closer to your family.

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<v Speaker 1>South Dakota being a just full on abortion band state

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<v Speaker 1>and you yourself are currently pregnant with your third congratulations,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. And I want to start off with how

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<v Speaker 1>does it feel to be back and the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>you were pregnant in a red state very different than

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<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming your other two pregnancies with your sons.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's very strange. We didn't take the

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<v Speaker 2>decision to move back lightly. My grandfather, the matriarch of

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<v Speaker 2>our family, was diagnosed with Alzheimer's last November, and then

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<v Speaker 2>he fell and broke his hip, and now he's fallen

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<v Speaker 2>and broke his arm and has had surgeries. So when

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<v Speaker 2>we kind of realized the state of his health and

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<v Speaker 2>what the diagnosis was for him, my husband and I

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<v Speaker 2>sat down and made the conscious, difficult decision that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we can't get that time back with family, and legislators

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<v Speaker 2>be damned. We just didn't want to lose that time.

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<v Speaker 2>I want my boys to grow up around my grandfather

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<v Speaker 2>and I want memories with him. But we knew what

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<v Speaker 2>that meant. And I actually found out I was pregnant

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<v Speaker 2>the day we flew out to look at houses here,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we had to have another really difficult conversation

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<v Speaker 2>about is it safe for us to move here? Is

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<v Speaker 2>it safe for me to be pregnant here? And the

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<v Speaker 2>answer was no, it's not safe, and so we started

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<v Speaker 2>looking at places nearby in Minnesota, And so that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I do now. As I drive to Minnesota, it's about

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<v Speaker 2>an hour away from my home, an hour and a

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<v Speaker 2>half from where my children go to school for prenattle care,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's where I'll give birth in a state that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't call home. And even now, I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>told you a little earlier, I'm waiting to hear from

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<v Speaker 2>my physician. I'm having a difficult pregnancy. It is my third,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thirty seven. It's automatically a high risk pregnancy. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>constantly sick. We've had some pre term labor scares and

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<v Speaker 2>incidences where she's trying to make sure that I can

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<v Speaker 2>carry this pregnancy further so that it's safer. And so

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<v Speaker 2>with all that just comes so much fear and anxiety

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<v Speaker 2>that am I going to be able to get to

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<v Speaker 2>my doctor on time? Am I going to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to have someone come watch my children? Can I drive

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<v Speaker 2>my self? Even what does that look like? And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>someone of privilege, I actually can leave. People in this

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<v Speaker 2>state can't. And so this is the only state with

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<v Speaker 2>a total abortion band with no exception for rape and incest,

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<v Speaker 2>that has abortion on the ballot this November to reinstate

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<v Speaker 2>Roe v. Wade era type protections for abortion care to

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<v Speaker 2>bring abortion care back to this state. And so that's

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<v Speaker 2>why I'm speaking to you, And so I'm writing so

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<v Speaker 2>much about what's what I'm currently experiencing because this should

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<v Speaker 2>not be happening, and the anger that I feel, on

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<v Speaker 2>top of all the fear and anxiety is making an

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<v Speaker 2>already difficult, very wanted pregnancy all the more challenging. And

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<v Speaker 2>it really should not be that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Danielle, my heart goes out to you and your

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<v Speaker 1>family the decision to go home to South Dakota. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we oftentimes hear a lot of people that sit comfortably

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<v Speaker 1>on the coasts saying to people, well, just leave your state,

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<v Speaker 1>just leave your state, as if it is something that

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<v Speaker 1>is easy. And you knowingly went into this red state

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<v Speaker 1>because of family, because of the fact that we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have an infinite amount of time and what does it

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<v Speaker 1>mean to raise your children and your family in close proximity.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you said, you don't get that time back. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't get those relationships and those memories back. Talk to

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<v Speaker 1>us about what it has been like over the last

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<v Speaker 1>several weeks of your pregnancy, having to usher back and

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<v Speaker 1>forth between your home in South Dakota and your doctors

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<v Speaker 1>in Minnesota. Have you gone to a doctor at all

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<v Speaker 1>in South Dakota.

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<v Speaker 2>No, as of right now I've not gone to a

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<v Speaker 2>position at all in South Dakota. I've made it a

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<v Speaker 2>point to actively do everything that I can to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that I don't have to, especially because in order

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<v Speaker 2>for us to make this move as soon as possible

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<v Speaker 2>so that I could be here for my grandfather and

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<v Speaker 2>my grandmother, my husband still works on the East coast,

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<v Speaker 2>gone for four weeks out of the year. So I

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<v Speaker 2>am here knowing that I don't have an advocate, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of built in via my husband that if I am

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<v Speaker 2>going to go to a doctor here under the worst circumstances,

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<v Speaker 2>I will not have someone there to make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>they advocate for me if I am uncapable of advocating

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<v Speaker 2>for myself. So no, I've not seen a South Dkota physician.

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<v Speaker 2>And honestly, it's not that easy here. We are close

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<v Speaker 2>to Sue Falls. I'm grateful for that, but there are

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<v Speaker 2>Objian deserts and Sioux Falls now because of what is

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<v Speaker 2>happening or in South Dakota state, excuse me, because of

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<v Speaker 2>the abortion band. Physicians, just like in other states, don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to come here. They want to go to a

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<v Speaker 2>place where they won't face criminal prosecution if they uphold

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<v Speaker 2>their hippocratic oath, and South Dakota is one of those

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<v Speaker 2>states where if you are seen for miscarriage, mismanagement care,

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<v Speaker 2>if you have a complicated pregnancy, doctors are afraid to

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<v Speaker 2>treat you, or you can't find a doctor at all.

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<v Speaker 2>So in terms of traveling, it's just a lot of driving.

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<v Speaker 2>I have created, thankfully again, I'm very privileged network of

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<v Speaker 2>the family members that I do have here to call

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<v Speaker 2>summer hour two hours away, but can come watch my boys.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it's I take my computer with me to

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<v Speaker 2>the hospital. I work from there. I've worked from there now,

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<v Speaker 2>I think more times than I've worked from home, just

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<v Speaker 2>because it eats up, on average, four or five hours

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<v Speaker 2>of my day to drive there to have even a

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<v Speaker 2>routine prenatal appointment, let alone going there again because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in danger of preterm labor or I'm dealing with nausea,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're trying to get certain things under control. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's a lot of what I call kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>this tetris of moving around my schedule and my children

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<v Speaker 2>and making sure that I have childcare is probably the

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<v Speaker 2>number one most important thing, and that's kind of what's frustrating,

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<v Speaker 2>and I get so angry, and then even from members

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<v Speaker 2>of my own family are kind of like, well, is

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<v Speaker 2>this really necessary? Do you have to do all this?

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<v Speaker 2>You could just go see a doctor, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>chances are maybe I could go to see a physician

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<v Speaker 2>here and nothing happens, and I have a totally routine,

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<v Speaker 2>normal labor delivery, pregnancy. But that is rolling the dice.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no if fans or butts about it, and everyone

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<v Speaker 2>will talk about how these are not necessary, these circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that I don't need to be driving, that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need to be this stressed out or this worried,

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<v Speaker 2>But when it's your life, the alternative seems like such

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<v Speaker 2>an unfathomable risk. I have two children, I have family members,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's separate from that, separate from being a mom.

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<v Speaker 2>I have my own life, like I would like to

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<v Speaker 2>keep living just for myself, you know, separate from being

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<v Speaker 2>a parent. And so it was. It's some thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I find really frustrating is that we hear all these

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<v Speaker 2>stories about women bleeding out, women losing their ability to

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<v Speaker 2>ever have children again because of doctors delaying care, denying care,

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<v Speaker 2>women dying out of Georgia. For every one of those

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<v Speaker 2>horrible stories that should be told. There are also other

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<v Speaker 2>stories of this, of people being put under constraints and

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<v Speaker 2>more stress that who knows, could very well be affecting

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<v Speaker 2>my pregnancy, and they shouldn't be all under the name

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<v Speaker 2>of being pro life, and it's the exact opposite of that,

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think that's why it's important for these

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<v Speaker 2>stories to be told as well, to show the spectrum

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<v Speaker 2>of harm that is being caused, from even a routine

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<v Speaker 2>prenatal visit that ends up being four hours long because

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<v Speaker 2>of travel, to someone being told to go bleed in

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<v Speaker 2>the parking lot. All of this is harm being caused

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<v Speaker 2>by abortion bands, and none of it is okay.

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<v Speaker 1>What does your word it's too much? Please just say that.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the plan for when you go into labor?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it for you to be in Minnesota, like around

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<v Speaker 1>or before your due date? Or like what does that

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<v Speaker 1>look like? Because I can't imagine driving in labor an

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<v Speaker 1>hour and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as of right now, the plan is to do

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<v Speaker 2>just that. If I go into labor early enough, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if I catch it early enough, definitely not a wait

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<v Speaker 2>around type situation. But then it's to again call on

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<v Speaker 2>family and friends. I have a cousin near and dear

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<v Speaker 2>to my heart. She lives two hours away her mother

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<v Speaker 2>and father in law who I'm not related to, but

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<v Speaker 2>her mother and father in law live closer. They would

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps come watch my children so I could drive until

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<v Speaker 2>she can come get them, or perhaps one of them

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<v Speaker 2>stays and they drive me if I can't drive. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's just relying on this patch work of people to

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully step in if they can, and the event that

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<v Speaker 2>my husband's not here. If my husband's here, then hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>either he can help get the kids situated and drive

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<v Speaker 2>me and we'll be there together. But that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>remains to be seen too, So it's a lot of Again,

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<v Speaker 2>you just kind of hope that you have enough time,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is pretty indicative of what it's like to

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<v Speaker 2>be pregnant in the United States right now in a

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<v Speaker 2>post real world. Is whether you are looking to end

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<v Speaker 2>your unwanted pregnancy or you're looking to carry a pregnancy

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<v Speaker 2>to term and give birth in a safe environment with

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<v Speaker 2>a physician who's not going to be criminalized. You just

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<v Speaker 2>hope you have enough time. You have enough time to

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<v Speaker 2>get to where you need to be, because not every

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<v Speaker 2>place is safe anymore. And so in that way, it

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<v Speaker 2>is something that can't be understated. Abortion care and prenatal care,

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<v Speaker 2>birth care, they're all connected because you are all under

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<v Speaker 2>a time constraint in you're all hoping for more time,

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<v Speaker 2>buying for more time, especially when people are attacking the

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<v Speaker 2>physicians and healthcare providers who could give you the life

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<v Speaker 2>saving care that you may need.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you had the ability and I know through your freelancing,

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<v Speaker 1>talk to either physicians in South Dakota that have left

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<v Speaker 1>the state or that are still there about the toll

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<v Speaker 1>that it's taken on them. And do you have a

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<v Speaker 1>network of other pregnant people in the state that you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of because I can hear it in your voice, Daniel,

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<v Speaker 1>the emotional toll of all of this. You know, everybody says, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're you know you're pregnant, like, you know, try

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<v Speaker 1>not to stress the baby out. In both I can't

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<v Speaker 1>think of a more stressful fucking time to have, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>than now for anyone to be pregnant, regardless of where

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<v Speaker 1>they are. But then on top of that, being in

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<v Speaker 1>a state that you can't feel safe in. What have

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<v Speaker 1>those conversations been, like I have I've.

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<v Speaker 2>Talked to a lot of people on the ground, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of grassroots organizers who are fighting for Amendment SHEI

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<v Speaker 2>here in South Dakota, that is the ballot measure that

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<v Speaker 2>will essentially put Roe v. Wade in the state's constitution.

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<v Speaker 2>I've talked to physicians who have not left but are afraid,

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<v Speaker 2>who say that they're not sure, just like physicians in

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<v Speaker 2>other states, They're just not sure when they can intervene

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<v Speaker 2>and it be safe to do so without the risk

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<v Speaker 2>of potentially being held in criminal court. It's a felony

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<v Speaker 2>here in the state of South Dakota to provide abortion

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<v Speaker 2>care in any other circumstance, then if a person is

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<v Speaker 2>in danger of dying, But again, how dying is dying

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<v Speaker 2>enough is the question now on every physician's mind, which

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<v Speaker 2>is absurd, and so it's a scary environment for people.

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<v Speaker 2>At the same time, Unfortunately, like I mentioned, you do

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<v Speaker 2>have others who aren't awake enough to realize how dire

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<v Speaker 2>this is and tell it happens to them their loved one,

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<v Speaker 2>or they read about someone actually physically dying from an

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<v Speaker 2>abortion band like in Georgia, and it's frustrated that even

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<v Speaker 2>in those instances, and I know you saw this too, Danielle.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you have the anti abortion movement blame the women

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<v Speaker 2>who died for the outcome, and so there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of denial and a lot of again, this is you

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<v Speaker 2>just being hysterical. It really isn't this bad. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>what we're combating here in South Dakota, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>across the nation. That's what the referendum really is in

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<v Speaker 2>this election, is that yes, it really is this bad.

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<v Speaker 2>It really does impact people in ways both big and small.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're right. I mean again, the stress, the anxiety,

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<v Speaker 2>the constant worry, having to plan more, having to travel more,

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<v Speaker 2>as you get more pregnant, all those things become more

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<v Speaker 2>difficult to handle on top of everyday life. And again,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a choice that I made because at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the day too, I want to be there

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<v Speaker 2>for my family. I want to be there so that

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<v Speaker 2>my sons can remember their great grandfather. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>be there so that when the incomes I can say

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<v Speaker 2>that I got all the time that I could and

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<v Speaker 2>not wishing for time for the rest of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>And these are decisions that shouldn't be impacted by a

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<v Speaker 2>legislature or a ban, or a Supreme court or a

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<v Speaker 2>president of the United States who has no idea who

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<v Speaker 2>I am or what my family's going through, and yet

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<v Speaker 2>are in the room when these decisions are being made

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<v Speaker 2>in a way because we have to take into accountany's laws.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think that as a mix of so

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<v Speaker 2>many people sounding the alarm, physicians, people on the ground, women,

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<v Speaker 2>their partners, and then also people who are plugging their

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<v Speaker 2>ears and saying it's not so bad. It really isn't

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<v Speaker 2>what I see and hear, and are deciding again to

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<v Speaker 2>live in this alternative reality that Trump has continued to perpetuate,

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<v Speaker 2>that the GOP continues to perpetuate so that they can

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<v Speaker 2>sleep at night while the rest of us just try

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<v Speaker 2>to again buy as much time as we can to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that ourselves and our families are safe.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they sleep at night, why the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>us live in the nightmare that they created for us.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that what is extraordinary is that people only

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<v Speaker 1>thought about abortion, and I think a very siloed manner, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that woman over there, she doesn't want to be responsible,

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<v Speaker 1>she doesn't want to have a kid. That's why we

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<v Speaker 1>need to do away with abortion. I think that we

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<v Speaker 1>have done and I mean, like the collective we have

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<v Speaker 1>done a terrible job of explaining reproductive care and that

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<v Speaker 1>a part of reproductive care is also access to abortion

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<v Speaker 1>for a number of reasons, like the fact that there

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<v Speaker 1>are women now, one of the most famous being Chrissy

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<v Speaker 1>Teagan who realized that when she was miscarrying, the procedure

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<v Speaker 1>that the doctor is used on her to save her

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<v Speaker 1>life was in fact an abortion. But because you don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>because that word is not being said, and because doctors

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<v Speaker 1>in blue states are moving in a way or have

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<v Speaker 1>always moved in a way where it's just like, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to do what is necessary to save this person

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<v Speaker 1>that is in front of us, to save their lives.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're not going through the particular saying that what

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing is abortion care. Right. Do you find that

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<v Speaker 1>that they're needed to or their needs to be still

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<v Speaker 1>more encompassing education for all people to understand the necessity

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<v Speaker 1>around abortion.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, And I think you really hit the nail on

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<v Speaker 2>the head is that the collective week, especially those in

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<v Speaker 2>the media, have really done a poor job and have

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<v Speaker 2>kind of kowtowed to anti abortion narratives using their language

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<v Speaker 2>and really kind of hyper focusing on a specific group

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<v Speaker 2>of individuals who seek abortion care. The majority of people

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<v Speaker 2>who have abortions or parents already they have at least

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<v Speaker 2>when child at home. And then yes, abortion care is

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<v Speaker 2>also miscarriage management. It's also to save the life of

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<v Speaker 2>a person if they have an e topic pregnant, and

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<v Speaker 2>see it is also in a lot of instances to

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<v Speaker 2>preserve fertility if you have a complicated pregnancy that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to end in a catastrophic way. And it also, honestly

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<v Speaker 2>is there to provide peace of mind for those like

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<v Speaker 2>me who I am carrying a very wanted pregnancy. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>very excited about my pregnancy, but I want to know

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<v Speaker 2>that when I go and see my doctor that my

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<v Speaker 2>life matters and that she will put my life first.

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<v Speaker 2>And when your experience a pregnancy, and so much is unknown,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is a major medical event, and there can

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<v Speaker 2>be complications that arise that no one can foresee, you

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<v Speaker 2>search for any peace of mind possible. You get it

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<v Speaker 2>in ultrasounds hopefully, sometimes you get it in tests, and

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<v Speaker 2>you definitely get it from your physician. And so abortion

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<v Speaker 2>care is part of that peace of mind and that

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<v Speaker 2>autonomy that a pregnant person desperately clings to. When so

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<v Speaker 2>much of what their body is going through is out

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<v Speaker 2>of their control. I mean that alone, when you talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the mental health of a person living in a

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<v Speaker 2>country with a maternal mental health crisis, is also just

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<v Speaker 2>as valuable, and yet we don't talk about it in

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<v Speaker 2>these ways. So yeah, I think we need to do

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<v Speaker 2>a better job. And one of the ways we do

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<v Speaker 2>that as centering people who've had abortions and the myriad

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<v Speaker 2>of ways in which abortion care exists. We sent our

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<v Speaker 2>physicians who've provided abortions and myriad of ways in which

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<v Speaker 2>they needed to care for their patients, and we stop

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<v Speaker 2>using anti abortion rhetoric in language that has unfortunately been

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<v Speaker 2>very very persuasive, and I think that's where you're getting

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<v Speaker 2>so many, even Republicans. Well, that's not an abortionate treated

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<v Speaker 2>in actopic pregnancy, that's not an abortion. No, it is,

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<v Speaker 2>and we need to start speaking correctly and with a

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<v Speaker 2>full throat and our chests out about exactly what this

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<v Speaker 2>care encompasses, because it is vital to safe pregnancies.

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<v Speaker 1>Danielle, I can't thank you enough for all your thoughtful

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<v Speaker 1>analysis and like your guidance over the years in educating

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<v Speaker 1>me as well as my audience about reproductive justice, about abortion.

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<v Speaker 1>That can't thank you enough, and honestly, you know, sending

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<v Speaker 1>you prayers and really good vibes for the final weeks

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<v Speaker 1>of your pregnancy and for safe delivery.

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<v Speaker 2>No, thank you, my friend, Thank you for always speaking

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<v Speaker 2>out about this topic and centering the people that are

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<v Speaker 2>impacted by it. We are not an island, as much

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<v Speaker 2>as it kind of feels that way right now, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think together there is a sea change coming and

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<v Speaker 2>I am very very hopeful both for this state via

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<v Speaker 2>this abortion amendment, but nationwide so from our lips to

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<v Speaker 2>our Lord and Savior Beyonce's years, hopefully things will get

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<v Speaker 2>get a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Better, get a little bit better. Thank you, my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you too.

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<v Speaker 1>That is it for me today. Dear friends on wollkf

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<v Speaker 1>as always, power to the people and to all the people.

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<v Speaker 1>Power up woke and stay woke as fuck.