1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WOKF Daily with Me 2 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: your Girl, Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker, Folks. 3 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: Tomorrow is the last date of vote. It is election Day, 4 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: and today I wanted to bring you a really hard 5 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: conversation with friend of the show Danielle Campomore, who has 6 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: been an abortion rights advocate, a repro justice advocate, writer 7 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: for a very long time with this show, and Danielle, 8 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: in our conversation, will talk about what it is like 9 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: for her right now to be pregnant with her third 10 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: child in South Dakota, where she is moved to be 11 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: closer to family. And there were parts of this interview 12 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: and conversation that really just gut punched me because the 13 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: fear that Danielle has and what she lays out as 14 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: her birth plan, no woman, no person should have to 15 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: go through. And it just I appreciated her conversation this 16 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: interview so much in really moving what has been happening 17 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: in the headlines into a real space with a person 18 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: that I've known for years. So as some of you 19 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: are listening, you may have already voted. Others are gonna, 20 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: you know, be the traditionalist and head to the polls 21 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: on Tuesday. For family. For friends that may not have 22 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: voted yet, please share this episode with them so they 23 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: can understand what the stakes are if they still, for 24 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: whatever reason, find themselves on the fence. Coming up next, 25 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: my conversation with writer activist Danielle Campomore. Folks, it has 26 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: been a while since I've had the opportunity to speak 27 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: with our friend, freelance writer reporter Danielle Campomore, who if 28 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: you've been listening to WOKF over the years, Danielle has 29 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: provided such incredible reporting, analysis, and insight into the abortion 30 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: movement and into reproductive justice. And Danielle, we've spoken to 31 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 1: you a number of times since the overturning of Robi Wade, 32 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: but not since you have left New York to move 33 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: back to South Dakota to be closer to your family. 34 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: South Dakota being a just full on abortion band state 35 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: and you yourself are currently pregnant with your third congratulations, 36 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,119 Speaker 1: Thank you. And I want to start off with how 37 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: does it feel to be back and the idea that 38 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: you were pregnant in a red state very different than 39 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: I'm assuming your other two pregnancies with your sons. 40 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's very strange. We didn't take the 41 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: decision to move back lightly. My grandfather, the matriarch of 42 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 2: our family, was diagnosed with Alzheimer's last November, and then 43 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: he fell and broke his hip, and now he's fallen 44 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: and broke his arm and has had surgeries. So when 45 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: we kind of realized the state of his health and 46 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: what the diagnosis was for him, my husband and I 47 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: sat down and made the conscious, difficult decision that, you know, 48 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: we can't get that time back with family, and legislators 49 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: be damned. We just didn't want to lose that time. 50 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: I want my boys to grow up around my grandfather 51 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: and I want memories with him. But we knew what 52 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: that meant. And I actually found out I was pregnant 53 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: the day we flew out to look at houses here, 54 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: and so we had to have another really difficult conversation 55 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 2: about is it safe for us to move here? Is 56 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: it safe for me to be pregnant here? And the 57 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: answer was no, it's not safe, and so we started 58 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: looking at places nearby in Minnesota, And so that's what 59 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: I do now. As I drive to Minnesota, it's about 60 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 2: an hour away from my home, an hour and a 61 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 2: half from where my children go to school for prenattle care, 62 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 2: and that's where I'll give birth in a state that 63 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: I don't call home. And even now, I mean I 64 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: told you a little earlier, I'm waiting to hear from 65 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: my physician. I'm having a difficult pregnancy. It is my third, 66 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 2: I'm thirty seven. It's automatically a high risk pregnancy. I'm 67 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 2: constantly sick. We've had some pre term labor scares and 68 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: incidences where she's trying to make sure that I can 69 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 2: carry this pregnancy further so that it's safer. And so 70 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 2: with all that just comes so much fear and anxiety 71 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: that am I going to be able to get to 72 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 2: my doctor on time? Am I going to be able 73 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: to have someone come watch my children? Can I drive 74 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 2: my self? Even what does that look like? And I'm 75 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: someone of privilege, I actually can leave. People in this 76 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: state can't. And so this is the only state with 77 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: a total abortion band with no exception for rape and incest, 78 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 2: that has abortion on the ballot this November to reinstate 79 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 2: Roe v. Wade era type protections for abortion care to 80 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 2: bring abortion care back to this state. And so that's 81 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: why I'm speaking to you, And so I'm writing so 82 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: much about what's what I'm currently experiencing because this should 83 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: not be happening, and the anger that I feel, on 84 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 2: top of all the fear and anxiety is making an 85 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 2: already difficult, very wanted pregnancy all the more challenging. And 86 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: it really should not be that way. 87 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, Danielle, my heart goes out to you and your 88 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: family the decision to go home to South Dakota. You know, 89 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: we oftentimes hear a lot of people that sit comfortably 90 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,559 Speaker 1: on the coasts saying to people, well, just leave your state, 91 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: just leave your state, as if it is something that 92 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: is easy. And you knowingly went into this red state 93 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: because of family, because of the fact that we don't 94 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: have an infinite amount of time and what does it 95 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: mean to raise your children and your family in close proximity. 96 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: Like you said, you don't get that time back. You 97 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: don't get those relationships and those memories back. Talk to 98 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: us about what it has been like over the last 99 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: several weeks of your pregnancy, having to usher back and 100 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: forth between your home in South Dakota and your doctors 101 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: in Minnesota. Have you gone to a doctor at all 102 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: in South Dakota. 103 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: No, as of right now I've not gone to a 104 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: position at all in South Dakota. I've made it a 105 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: point to actively do everything that I can to make 106 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 2: sure that I don't have to, especially because in order 107 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 2: for us to make this move as soon as possible 108 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: so that I could be here for my grandfather and 109 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: my grandmother, my husband still works on the East coast, 110 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: gone for four weeks out of the year. So I 111 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: am here knowing that I don't have an advocate, kind 112 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 2: of built in via my husband that if I am 113 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: going to go to a doctor here under the worst circumstances, 114 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 2: I will not have someone there to make sure that 115 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 2: they advocate for me if I am uncapable of advocating 116 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: for myself. So no, I've not seen a South Dkota physician. 117 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: And honestly, it's not that easy here. We are close 118 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: to Sue Falls. I'm grateful for that, but there are 119 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: Objian deserts and Sioux Falls now because of what is 120 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: happening or in South Dakota state, excuse me, because of 121 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: the abortion band. Physicians, just like in other states, don't 122 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: want to come here. They want to go to a 123 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: place where they won't face criminal prosecution if they uphold 124 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: their hippocratic oath, and South Dakota is one of those 125 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: states where if you are seen for miscarriage, mismanagement care, 126 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 2: if you have a complicated pregnancy, doctors are afraid to 127 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 2: treat you, or you can't find a doctor at all. 128 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: So in terms of traveling, it's just a lot of driving. 129 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: I have created, thankfully again, I'm very privileged network of 130 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: the family members that I do have here to call 131 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: summer hour two hours away, but can come watch my boys. 132 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: And then it's I take my computer with me to 133 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: the hospital. I work from there. I've worked from there now, 134 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: I think more times than I've worked from home, just 135 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: because it eats up, on average, four or five hours 136 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: of my day to drive there to have even a 137 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: routine prenatal appointment, let alone going there again because I'm 138 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,119 Speaker 2: in danger of preterm labor or I'm dealing with nausea, 139 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: and they're trying to get certain things under control. So 140 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 2: it's a lot of what I call kind of like 141 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: this tetris of moving around my schedule and my children 142 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: and making sure that I have childcare is probably the 143 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 2: number one most important thing, and that's kind of what's frustrating, 144 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: and I get so angry, and then even from members 145 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 2: of my own family are kind of like, well, is 146 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 2: this really necessary? Do you have to do all this? 147 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 2: You could just go see a doctor, and you know, 148 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: chances are maybe I could go to see a physician 149 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 2: here and nothing happens, and I have a totally routine, 150 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 2: normal labor delivery, pregnancy. But that is rolling the dice. 151 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: There's no if fans or butts about it, and everyone 152 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 2: will talk about how these are not necessary, these circumstances. 153 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 2: You know that I don't need to be driving, that 154 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 2: I don't need to be this stressed out or this worried, 155 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 2: But when it's your life, the alternative seems like such 156 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: an unfathomable risk. I have two children, I have family members, 157 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: and it's separate from that, separate from being a mom. 158 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: I have my own life, like I would like to 159 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 2: keep living just for myself, you know, separate from being 160 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 2: a parent. And so it was. It's some thing that 161 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 2: I find really frustrating is that we hear all these 162 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 2: stories about women bleeding out, women losing their ability to 163 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 2: ever have children again because of doctors delaying care, denying care, 164 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 2: women dying out of Georgia. For every one of those 165 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: horrible stories that should be told. There are also other 166 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: stories of this, of people being put under constraints and 167 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: more stress that who knows, could very well be affecting 168 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 2: my pregnancy, and they shouldn't be all under the name 169 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 2: of being pro life, and it's the exact opposite of that, 170 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 2: And so I think that's why it's important for these 171 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 2: stories to be told as well, to show the spectrum 172 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 2: of harm that is being caused, from even a routine 173 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 2: prenatal visit that ends up being four hours long because 174 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 2: of travel, to someone being told to go bleed in 175 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 2: the parking lot. All of this is harm being caused 176 00:10:51,840 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 2: by abortion bands, and none of it is okay. 177 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: What does your word it's too much? Please just say that. 178 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: What is the plan for when you go into labor? 179 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: Is it for you to be in Minnesota, like around 180 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: or before your due date? Or like what does that 181 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: look like? Because I can't imagine driving in labor an 182 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: hour and a half. 183 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, as of right now, the plan is to do 184 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: just that. If I go into labor early enough, you know, 185 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 2: if I catch it early enough, definitely not a wait 186 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 2: around type situation. But then it's to again call on 187 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: family and friends. I have a cousin near and dear 188 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 2: to my heart. She lives two hours away her mother 189 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 2: and father in law who I'm not related to, but 190 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 2: her mother and father in law live closer. They would 191 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 2: perhaps come watch my children so I could drive until 192 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 2: she can come get them, or perhaps one of them 193 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: stays and they drive me if I can't drive. So 194 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: it's just relying on this patch work of people to 195 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 2: hopefully step in if they can, and the event that 196 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: my husband's not here. If my husband's here, then hopefully 197 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: either he can help get the kids situated and drive 198 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 2: me and we'll be there together. But that kind of 199 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 2: remains to be seen too, So it's a lot of Again, 200 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 2: you just kind of hope that you have enough time, 201 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 2: and that is pretty indicative of what it's like to 202 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 2: be pregnant in the United States right now in a 203 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 2: post real world. Is whether you are looking to end 204 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 2: your unwanted pregnancy or you're looking to carry a pregnancy 205 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 2: to term and give birth in a safe environment with 206 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 2: a physician who's not going to be criminalized. You just 207 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 2: hope you have enough time. You have enough time to 208 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: get to where you need to be, because not every 209 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 2: place is safe anymore. And so in that way, it 210 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 2: is something that can't be understated. Abortion care and prenatal care, 211 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: birth care, they're all connected because you are all under 212 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: a time constraint in you're all hoping for more time, 213 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: buying for more time, especially when people are attacking the 214 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 2: physicians and healthcare providers who could give you the life 215 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 2: saving care that you may need. 216 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: Have you had the ability and I know through your freelancing, 217 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: talk to either physicians in South Dakota that have left 218 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: the state or that are still there about the toll 219 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: that it's taken on them. And do you have a 220 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: network of other pregnant people in the state that you 221 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: kind of because I can hear it in your voice, Daniel, 222 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: the emotional toll of all of this. You know, everybody says, oh, 223 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: when you're you know you're pregnant, like, you know, try 224 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: not to stress the baby out. In both I can't 225 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: think of a more stressful fucking time to have, you know, 226 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: than now for anyone to be pregnant, regardless of where 227 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 1: they are. But then on top of that, being in 228 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: a state that you can't feel safe in. What have 229 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: those conversations been, like I have I've. 230 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 2: Talked to a lot of people on the ground, a 231 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 2: lot of grassroots organizers who are fighting for Amendment SHEI 232 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: here in South Dakota, that is the ballot measure that 233 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 2: will essentially put Roe v. Wade in the state's constitution. 234 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: I've talked to physicians who have not left but are afraid, 235 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 2: who say that they're not sure, just like physicians in 236 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 2: other states, They're just not sure when they can intervene 237 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 2: and it be safe to do so without the risk 238 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: of potentially being held in criminal court. It's a felony 239 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: here in the state of South Dakota to provide abortion 240 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 2: care in any other circumstance, then if a person is 241 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 2: in danger of dying, But again, how dying is dying 242 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: enough is the question now on every physician's mind, which 243 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 2: is absurd, and so it's a scary environment for people. 244 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: At the same time, Unfortunately, like I mentioned, you do 245 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 2: have others who aren't awake enough to realize how dire 246 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: this is and tell it happens to them their loved one, 247 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: or they read about someone actually physically dying from an 248 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: abortion band like in Georgia, and it's frustrated that even 249 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: in those instances, and I know you saw this too, Danielle. 250 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: Then you have the anti abortion movement blame the women 251 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 2: who died for the outcome, and so there's a lot 252 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 2: of denial and a lot of again, this is you 253 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: just being hysterical. It really isn't this bad. And that's 254 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 2: what we're combating here in South Dakota, and I think 255 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 2: across the nation. That's what the referendum really is in 256 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 2: this election, is that yes, it really is this bad. 257 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: It really does impact people in ways both big and small. 258 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: And you're right. I mean again, the stress, the anxiety, 259 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: the constant worry, having to plan more, having to travel more, 260 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 2: as you get more pregnant, all those things become more 261 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 2: difficult to handle on top of everyday life. And again, 262 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: this is a choice that I made because at the 263 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 2: end of the day too, I want to be there 264 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 2: for my family. I want to be there so that 265 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 2: my sons can remember their great grandfather. I want to 266 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 2: be there so that when the incomes I can say 267 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 2: that I got all the time that I could and 268 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 2: not wishing for time for the rest of my life. 269 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 2: And these are decisions that shouldn't be impacted by a 270 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 2: legislature or a ban, or a Supreme court or a 271 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 2: president of the United States who has no idea who 272 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 2: I am or what my family's going through, and yet 273 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: are in the room when these decisions are being made 274 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 2: in a way because we have to take into accountany's laws. 275 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 2: And so I think that as a mix of so 276 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: many people sounding the alarm, physicians, people on the ground, women, 277 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 2: their partners, and then also people who are plugging their 278 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 2: ears and saying it's not so bad. It really isn't 279 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: what I see and hear, and are deciding again to 280 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: live in this alternative reality that Trump has continued to perpetuate, 281 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 2: that the GOP continues to perpetuate so that they can 282 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 2: sleep at night while the rest of us just try 283 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 2: to again buy as much time as we can to 284 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 2: make sure that ourselves and our families are safe. 285 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: I mean, they sleep at night, why the rest of 286 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: us live in the nightmare that they created for us. 287 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: I think that what is extraordinary is that people only 288 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: thought about abortion, and I think a very siloed manner, like, oh, 289 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: that woman over there, she doesn't want to be responsible, 290 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: she doesn't want to have a kid. That's why we 291 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: need to do away with abortion. I think that we 292 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: have done and I mean, like the collective we have 293 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: done a terrible job of explaining reproductive care and that 294 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: a part of reproductive care is also access to abortion 295 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: for a number of reasons, like the fact that there 296 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: are women now, one of the most famous being Chrissy 297 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: Teagan who realized that when she was miscarrying, the procedure 298 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: that the doctor is used on her to save her 299 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: life was in fact an abortion. But because you don't know, 300 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: because that word is not being said, and because doctors 301 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: in blue states are moving in a way or have 302 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: always moved in a way where it's just like, we're 303 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: going to do what is necessary to save this person 304 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: that is in front of us, to save their lives. 305 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,959 Speaker 1: So we're not going through the particular saying that what 306 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: we're doing is abortion care. Right. Do you find that 307 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: that they're needed to or their needs to be still 308 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: more encompassing education for all people to understand the necessity 309 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 1: around abortion. 310 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think you really hit the nail on 311 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 2: the head is that the collective week, especially those in 312 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 2: the media, have really done a poor job and have 313 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 2: kind of kowtowed to anti abortion narratives using their language 314 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 2: and really kind of hyper focusing on a specific group 315 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 2: of individuals who seek abortion care. The majority of people 316 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: who have abortions or parents already they have at least 317 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 2: when child at home. And then yes, abortion care is 318 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 2: also miscarriage management. It's also to save the life of 319 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 2: a person if they have an e topic pregnant, and 320 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 2: see it is also in a lot of instances to 321 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 2: preserve fertility if you have a complicated pregnancy that's going 322 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: to end in a catastrophic way. And it also, honestly 323 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 2: is there to provide peace of mind for those like 324 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 2: me who I am carrying a very wanted pregnancy. I'm 325 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 2: very excited about my pregnancy, but I want to know 326 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 2: that when I go and see my doctor that my 327 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 2: life matters and that she will put my life first. 328 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 2: And when your experience a pregnancy, and so much is unknown, 329 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 2: and it is a major medical event, and there can 330 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 2: be complications that arise that no one can foresee, you 331 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 2: search for any peace of mind possible. You get it 332 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 2: in ultrasounds hopefully, sometimes you get it in tests, and 333 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 2: you definitely get it from your physician. And so abortion 334 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 2: care is part of that peace of mind and that 335 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 2: autonomy that a pregnant person desperately clings to. When so 336 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 2: much of what their body is going through is out 337 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,719 Speaker 2: of their control. I mean that alone, when you talk 338 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 2: about the mental health of a person living in a 339 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 2: country with a maternal mental health crisis, is also just 340 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 2: as valuable, and yet we don't talk about it in 341 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 2: these ways. So yeah, I think we need to do 342 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 2: a better job. And one of the ways we do 343 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 2: that as centering people who've had abortions and the myriad 344 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 2: of ways in which abortion care exists. We sent our 345 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 2: physicians who've provided abortions and myriad of ways in which 346 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 2: they needed to care for their patients, and we stop 347 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 2: using anti abortion rhetoric in language that has unfortunately been 348 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 2: very very persuasive, and I think that's where you're getting 349 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 2: so many, even Republicans. Well, that's not an abortionate treated 350 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 2: in actopic pregnancy, that's not an abortion. No, it is, 351 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: and we need to start speaking correctly and with a 352 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 2: full throat and our chests out about exactly what this 353 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 2: care encompasses, because it is vital to safe pregnancies. 354 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: Danielle, I can't thank you enough for all your thoughtful 355 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: analysis and like your guidance over the years in educating 356 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 1: me as well as my audience about reproductive justice, about abortion. 357 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: That can't thank you enough, and honestly, you know, sending 358 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: you prayers and really good vibes for the final weeks 359 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: of your pregnancy and for safe delivery. 360 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: No, thank you, my friend, Thank you for always speaking 361 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: out about this topic and centering the people that are 362 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 2: impacted by it. We are not an island, as much 363 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 2: as it kind of feels that way right now, and 364 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 2: I think together there is a sea change coming and 365 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 2: I am very very hopeful both for this state via 366 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 2: this abortion amendment, but nationwide so from our lips to 367 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 2: our Lord and Savior Beyonce's years, hopefully things will get 368 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 2: get a little bit. 369 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: Better, get a little bit better. Thank you, my friend. 370 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. 371 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: Yes, you too. 372 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: That is it for me today. Dear friends on wollkf 373 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: as always, power to the people and to all the people. 374 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: Power up woke and stay woke as fuck.