Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Civic Cipher. I am your host.
Speaker 1: Ramsey's job is Ramsey's job.
Speaker 2: I am Hugh Ward. You are once again tuned into Civic.
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Speaker 1: stick around because they have a great show in store folio.
Speaker 1: We're talking about a lot of the goings on politically
Speaker 1: speaking in this country, and trust me when I say
Speaker 1: there are a lot of them. If you've been paying
Speaker 1: attention at all, you realize there's another public outcry slash
Speaker 1: pushback to the goings on in Florida where they are
Speaker 1: doing further rebranding, slash whitewashing of slavery for the quote
Speaker 1: unquote benefit of their school children. And as you can imagine,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that are upset about that
Speaker 1: because they want the history to be told accurately.
Speaker 2: And there's nothing like framing it as a benefit for
Speaker 2: our children.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, Neremid, I mean, but you see, you see
Speaker 1: how they can they can get people to support it
Speaker 1: if they can convince them that it's about children and
Speaker 1: that it's for the best interests. Is joke showing us
Speaker 1: how much they don't care about our children. That's funny exactly.
Speaker 1: And also we're going to talk about a new poll
Speaker 1: that recently came out showing that Trump voters, so it's
Speaker 1: a very specific group of individual but yes, Trump voters
Speaker 1: say racism against white Americans is a bigger problem in
Speaker 1: racism against Black Americans, which goes to show you that
Speaker 1: whatever is being peddled to them in terms of the
Speaker 1: news and the content that they're consuming, suggesting that the
Speaker 1: majority of the country is now anti white for some reason,
Speaker 1: which of course, as you know, as a fallacy, is
Speaker 1: being consumed by them and they're actually buying into it fully.
Speaker 1: And this specific group of individuals is something that we
Speaker 1: can't ignore. So we're going to talk about that as well,
Speaker 1: and so much more. But first off, we're going to
Speaker 1: start the show, as always with some ebony excellence, shall
Speaker 1: we show? So today I'm going to be sharing a
Speaker 1: bit from USA today, and we're talking about the one
Speaker 1: the Only, Reverend Jesse L. Jackson Senior. He stepped down
Speaker 1: from his role as president of the Rainbow Push Coalition,
Speaker 1: prominent civil rights organization that evolved from Operation Push. And
Speaker 1: I'm going to add this myself slash the Rainbow Coalition.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Fred Hampton. Every chance I get with
Speaker 1: a microphone and an audience, I want to shout out
Speaker 1: Fred Hampton because he gave his life or something that
Speaker 1: I believe is very special, and Q and I are
Speaker 1: kind of walking that same path. We believe that all
Speaker 1: of us can support each other very much better than
Speaker 1: we can go at our individual flight to wll all Right,
Speaker 1: the longtime civil rights leader, founded the Rainbow Cuff Coalition
Speaker 1: a half century ago. Vice President Kamala Harris served as
Speaker 1: the keynote speaker for the convention. Commit Sorry and Jackson,
Speaker 1: eighty one, who emerged from civil rights movement to fight
Speaker 1: causes range from gender inequality to economic and social justice,
Speaker 1: was diagnosed eight years ago with Parkinson's disease, the neuro
Speaker 1: degenerative disease that also affected his father. He is succeeded
Speaker 1: by Frederick Douglas Haynes. The third and the reason that
Speaker 1: we are marking this as Ebny excellence is because here
Speaker 1: we have a person who's dedicated his life to a cause.
Speaker 1: He's made a difference, He's had a brilliant career, and
Speaker 1: it happens to be a noble cause you know, there's
Speaker 1: lots of people who give us a noble career. They
Speaker 1: could be sports people. Sports people has a name. I
Speaker 1: forget the name of sports people, but there's actors and
Speaker 1: actresses and athletes is the word I'm looking for. And
Speaker 1: civil rights leaders just termed to deserve, sorry, the same
Speaker 1: sort of recognition. So shout out to Jesse Jackson, and
Speaker 1: shout out to him for being very kind when I
Speaker 1: met him and sending me some encouraging words during the
Speaker 1: formative days of civic cipher. Man. Okay, so now we
Speaker 1: got to talk about Florida. I know, q is.
Speaker 3: I believe the expression is champing at the bit chomping,
Speaker 3: and I don't know. That's an interesting place, man. Yeah,
Speaker 3: a lot of people love great state of Florida. I
Speaker 3: know some amazing people that are from down there. But
Speaker 3: was it my favorite place to visit before recently? Now
Speaker 3: it's just downright dangerous to go down there to him,
Speaker 3: So let me paint the picture here a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read a little bit from Yahoo News that
Speaker 1: pulled some of their material from The Daily Beasts. All right,
Speaker 1: here we go. Middle school students in Florida will soon
Speaker 1: be taught that slavery gave black people a quote personal
Speaker 1: benefit because they quote developed skills. All right, we're gonna
Speaker 1: stop right here before I read the rest of this.
Speaker 1: I want to reread this to you just so that
Speaker 1: you hear how this sounds. The students are going to
Speaker 1: be taught that slavery gave black people a personal benefit
Speaker 1: because they developed skills. Do you know how hard it
Speaker 1: is to not just burst into cursing. It's extremely no
Speaker 1: structure at all, just as many curse words as you
Speaker 1: can think of, just rattling them all off as a
Speaker 1: way to just vent it. A frustration that built as
Speaker 1: I listened to you read that twice. You know, the
Speaker 1: crazy thing is that in Florida you have this example
Speaker 1: of people who cannot imagine what it's like to be slaves,
Speaker 1: or what it is like to come out of slavery
Speaker 1: and try to make a go at life in this
Speaker 1: country and to be, you know, stopped at every conceivable
Speaker 1: point in society, whether you go about it yourself, whether
Speaker 1: you expect there to be some sort of government support,
Speaker 1: on and on and on. Right, they cannot conceive of it. Right,
Speaker 1: But for the second half of the show, if you
Speaker 1: stick around. You'll see that they can absolutely conceive of, oh,
Speaker 1: we're the ones being discriminated against the same, more or
Speaker 1: less group of people there. So very interesting. But the
Speaker 1: fact is is that you know, now this is our reality.
Speaker 1: They will be taught in the schools of Florida, which
Speaker 1: doesn't have a small amount of people that slavery gave
Speaker 1: black people a personal benefit. I wonder now that this
Speaker 1: is being taught the people that put this in place,
Speaker 1: if they really feel like there was a personal benefit,
Speaker 1: if they wouldn't mind themselves being slaves.
Speaker 2: It's a very simple Well, I'm sure they'd argue that
Speaker 2: all of the benefits that we gain from slavery, they've
Speaker 2: gained since then, so there's no need for them to
Speaker 2: go back to those basic skills that we learn. So
Speaker 2: do you see how savage is brought over from another
Speaker 2: continent assimilating to this new society, culture, religion, etc. We
Speaker 2: had to be taught very very basic skills, a lot
Speaker 2: of them having to do with agriculture, working with our hands.
Speaker 2: All of these great things that we as a people learned,
Speaker 2: gained and benefited culturally from having been kidnapped, raped, beaten, killed,
Speaker 2: hang burned. The list goes on, but at least we
Speaker 2: know how to sharecrop.
Speaker 1: So it's funny because in Africa, you know, some of
Speaker 1: the most advanced and opulent and decadent civilizations had already
Speaker 1: risen and falled out fell thousands of years before America
Speaker 1: was even discovered. And I'm not just talking about Egypt,
Speaker 1: you know, we can talk about all over Africa, Sub
Speaker 1: Saharan Africa even And you know, Egypt is not the
Speaker 1: only place with pyramids, and it's not the place with
Speaker 1: the oldest pyramids. We'll just leave it there, okay. Anyway,
Speaker 1: and the arrogance, the gall that these savages needed to
Speaker 1: be taught, oh my god, it's it's.
Speaker 2: Sad, you know, Ramsay. The interesting thing is that I
Speaker 2: expressed during our former president's administration how far things were
Speaker 2: going to go. I expressed when people first start talking
Speaker 2: about him running for office, and then when people started
Speaker 2: to take that serious, how far things are going to go.
Speaker 2: I got pushed back from friends and people across the
Speaker 2: aisle alike that I was reacting to extreme. There's no
Speaker 2: way that the systems that we have in place would
Speaker 2: allow certain things to happen. And the more we sit
Speaker 2: and watch history reshape the more I'm terrifyingly being proven correct.
Speaker 2: I saw a very very extreme response from Trump's supporters
Speaker 2: and those who served as enablers for Trump and his supporters,
Speaker 2: those who said they didn't support and voted for him
Speaker 2: for tax reasons and all these other things, and then
Speaker 2: voted for him again after they saw that he was
Speaker 2: exactly who we thought he was as they started to
Speaker 2: propose things with regards to laws and books and education
Speaker 2: in Florida. When these things first came up, I reacted
Speaker 2: very very intensely because I knew that there was nothing
Speaker 2: in place to stop these people from carrying out the
Speaker 2: things that they wanted to do. And somehow people thought
Speaker 2: that there was a baseline decency that they would not
Speaker 2: crawl beneath. And I have no idea why they hungo
Speaker 2: and so strong to those beliefs. They'd already proven what
Speaker 2: they were capable of, how they thought what they wanted
Speaker 2: to be the outcomes. And I was just watching those
Speaker 2: things happen. We're watching the Supreme Court get involved in
Speaker 2: these kind of decisions, you know, so from Roe v.
Speaker 2: Wade to affirmative action, to taking to banning books. But
Speaker 2: they made movies about that, and those movies were supposed
Speaker 2: to be like fantasy, right, and not fantasy like dream
Speaker 2: come true, but like so.
Speaker 1: Inconceived, far yeah, so far removed from removed from any
Speaker 1: type of reality.
Speaker 2: That these movies were made to kind of show what
Speaker 2: a very very far off worst case scenario would look like.
Speaker 2: And they're very very casually making those things real down there.
Speaker 2: It's not just disturbing, it is terrifying. Well, let me read.
Speaker 1: A little bit more from this article here. After the
Speaker 1: Florida Board of Education approved new standards for African American
Speaker 1: history on Wednesday, high school students will be taught an
Speaker 1: equally distorted message that a deadly white mob attack against
Speaker 1: black residents of a Koe, Florida in nineteen twenty included
Speaker 1: acts of violence perpetuated against and by African Americans. In
Speaker 1: other words, what they're trying to do is again rewrite history.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to give you an example of what's
Speaker 1: happening here. Okay, Let's say you have a community of
Speaker 1: black people, right, and this community is who knows it's
Speaker 1: it's a small community of black folks and their self
Speaker 1: determined they don't really need to interact with anyone else. Right.
Speaker 1: And then there's a black person that lives outside of
Speaker 1: this community, right, and they stand to benefit fiscally by
Speaker 1: aligning with the white people that are outside of the
Speaker 1: community to organize an attack a small community of black
Speaker 1: people residents that don't have the same capacity to fight back.
Speaker 1: The way they're rewriting the story is that not that
Speaker 1: you know, one hundred and fifty white men and one
Speaker 1: black person attack the community of you know, fifty residents.
Speaker 1: They're going to say white and black people attack black people, right,
Speaker 1: So that really doesn't accurately encapsulate what happened. It co
Speaker 1: ops in narrative, and it almost suggests that black people
Speaker 1: are the reason that these historical atrocities happened against black people.
Speaker 1: And so forgive that kind of awkward example, but you
Speaker 1: could go into any of these stories and perhaps find
Speaker 1: a person who was the quote unquote snitch or the
Speaker 1: quote unquote you know whatever that said, Oh I thought
Speaker 1: I saw them, boss, I saw a massive you know
Speaker 1: like that sort of stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Their history has several instances where there's a co conspirator
Speaker 2: fits the description. Yeah, but this person is very very
Speaker 2: much the exception to the rule, right, Right. Most of
Speaker 2: the time, it's one of the time. I haven't found
Speaker 2: any stories to the opposite. But it's a mob of
Speaker 2: white people terrorizing, brutalizing, burning, killing, raping, pillaging black.
Speaker 1: Towns and communities. I've never encountered an instance where it
Speaker 1: was a mob of black people unjustifiably going after innocent
Speaker 1: white folks. Have never seen that. You know, if it's
Speaker 1: black people who are always protecting, insulating, you know, we're
Speaker 1: not going to offending. That's the word I'm looking for. Reacting, right,
Speaker 1: but never initiating, because as you can imagine, if you're
Speaker 1: a black person in this country at any point in
Speaker 1: time now or at any point in time since this
Speaker 1: country became a country, it doesn't make sense, logical, linear
Speaker 1: sense to organize and attack against white people because they're white.
Speaker 1: Because there's way more of them, they have way more
Speaker 1: power in the courts and the guns and the you know,
Speaker 1: there's numbers, et cetera. It would never make any sense.
Speaker 2: Add on to that the fact that the idea of
Speaker 2: people being white has never been something that made us
Speaker 2: angry or hate them or see them as beneath that's asinine.
Speaker 1: So then there's that it's like, that's so ridiculous. Why
Speaker 1: would we attack someone just for being white and nearby.
Speaker 1: That only happens if you're black in nearby. And for
Speaker 1: people that don't know that phrase, it's a common phrase
Speaker 1: for black people when when we get in trouble from
Speaker 1: police or any sort of thirty figures and we've done
Speaker 1: nothing that nearby is the crime. We were just black
Speaker 1: and nearby. We were black and nearby, and that's what
Speaker 1: we got in trouble for. But there is no equivalent
Speaker 1: for white folks. You cannot be white in nearby and
Speaker 1: then you know, a group of people take issue with that.
Speaker 1: Now I'm talking about a group of people take issue
Speaker 1: with another group of people. Yeah, not one individual. You
Speaker 1: guys will pick me apart, and that's that's absolutely will Yeah.
Speaker 1: But there's obviously more documentation to the contrary to you know,
Speaker 1: black people hanging out of trees with their net by
Speaker 1: the next et cetera. Anyway, I got to keep reading.
Speaker 1: So dozens of black residents were killed in the I
Speaker 1: wish I knew how to say this O Koe, Florida massacre,
Speaker 1: which was perpetuated, sorry, which was perpetrated to stop them
Speaker 1: from voting. According to members of the board that distorted
Speaker 1: portrayal of the racist massacre is factually accurate. Marylynn Magar,
Speaker 1: a member of the board appointed by Ron Desantish, said
Speaker 1: at the Book Boards meeting in Orlando on Wednesday, that
Speaker 1: everything is there in the new history standards, and the
Speaker 1: darkest parts of our history are addressed. The Tallahassee Democrat
Speaker 1: reported all right, the majority of the speakers who provided
Speaker 1: public testimony on the plan curriculum were vehemently opposed to it,
Speaker 1: warning that crucial context is omitted, atrocities are glossed over,
Speaker 1: and in some cases, students will be taught to blame
Speaker 1: the victims. I just said that, So this is what's
Speaker 1: happening here. There's you know what, I don't think that
Speaker 1: we think of ourselves as victims, certainly not on this show. Right,
Speaker 1: we with the real the reality of the situation is
Speaker 1: that we are under attack. We are under attack from
Speaker 1: the criminal justice system. Now we're under attack in the
Speaker 1: in the education system. And this is you know, if
Speaker 1: those on the far right have their way, this is
Speaker 1: going to be the way that the country moves forward.
Speaker 1: This is not the only place where they are trying
Speaker 1: to teach things like this. They are teaching things like
Speaker 1: this in Ohio, Texas, Oklahoma and other places around the
Speaker 1: country and if possible. And we remember when when the
Speaker 1: previous president was in office, he was pushing for a
Speaker 1: reality where, let's be honest, the sensitivities of white children
Speaker 1: were centered. We don't want to make kids feel bad
Speaker 1: about their history. We don't want to make America seem
Speaker 1: like it's a bad place. Let's teach people how to
Speaker 1: be patriotic. This was kind of the rhetoric of the
Speaker 1: previous president. And you know, we feel like that's an
Speaker 1: attack on our identity, on reality or shared reality. I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't want you to position that as subjective by
Speaker 2: saying we feel no, that is an attack. Okay, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean that these things happen, that's not
Speaker 2: our opinion. Yeah, you know what I mean. It's not
Speaker 2: that we feel that they happened. No, they happened, and
Speaker 2: teaching that they didn't and and worse off, that there
Speaker 2: was a benefit to us because it happened. It's more
Speaker 2: than a slap in the face. Right, And we have
Speaker 2: this self affirmation where we don't want to see ourselves
Speaker 2: as victims. But let's not puff our chest out so
Speaker 2: far that other people get to say, see, they're not victims.
Speaker 1: They don't even think so. We were very much victims.
Speaker 2: People like we don't want to be in the position
Speaker 2: of meek or broken or weak, so we stand against
Speaker 2: the idea of being identified that way. But if someone
Speaker 2: assaults you, you are the victim of an assault. That
Speaker 2: it's not about how you feel. That is the truth.
Speaker 2: I think our people were very much victims to the
Speaker 2: history and creation of this company, being on our backs
Speaker 2: and our throats. That's very much the truth.
Speaker 1: You said company, and I like that, And I think
Speaker 1: you were saying country, but company because.
Speaker 2: The United States incorporate there you go.
Speaker 1: You know, I appreciate you saying that, and I think
Speaker 1: that for me at least, I as you know, I
Speaker 1: subscribe to a lot of white supremacists blogs and forums
Speaker 1: and so forth on the Internet, and there's this common
Speaker 1: narrative that exists in those circles that you know, black
Speaker 1: people are perpetually the victims, right, and so in these forums,
Speaker 1: in these spaces where these racist people can have their
Speaker 1: own little echo chamber, they are justified in throwing their
Speaker 1: hands up at the reality for their let's be honest.
Speaker 1: Brothers and sisters. We all share this planet, older brothers
Speaker 1: and sisters, we should call ourselves because we were here first.
Speaker 1: They can throw their hands up more comfortably by saying,
Speaker 1: no matter what we do, they will always find a
Speaker 1: way to be the victim. But the fact is is
Speaker 1: that I don't believe that that is the truth for us,
Speaker 1: especially on this show, especially on this show. But I
Speaker 1: haven't seen that to be true anywhere because the only
Speaker 1: thing that I've seen in my life, and granted it's
Speaker 1: my take. I'm trying to be as fair as I
Speaker 1: can to people who don't feel the way that I feel,
Speaker 1: but the only thing that I've seen in my life
Speaker 1: is that we are dealing with the realities of our situation.
Speaker 1: And sometimes when people do they take two steps forward,
Speaker 1: you know, or they take a step forward, it causes
Speaker 1: us to take two steps backward. And so they look, well,
Speaker 1: look I took the step forward. We yeah, but you
Speaker 1: didn't do this, and you didn't do this, and guess
Speaker 1: who benefited from it? These people, not us, you know,
Speaker 1: and these things, and now we're even further behind, and
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and then it's like, well, listen, we
Speaker 1: can't do anything to ever help you because you're you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it ends up being really
Speaker 1: a battle over what's true. And the way that they're
Speaker 1: comfortable restating that headline is by saying they're always, they're
Speaker 1: perpetually the victims, and so that's where that came from.
Speaker 1: I do want to read a little bit about somebody
Speaker 1: who is Ron DeSantis's right hand woman. I should call
Speaker 1: her in this effort. Her name is Kim Daniels. She's
Speaker 1: a black woman, and we came across a video of
Speaker 1: hers that was sent by Van Lathan. I want to say,
Speaker 1: we're posted by Van Lathan if I'm not mistaken, and
Speaker 1: she's one of the people that is kind of supporting
Speaker 1: the Santis at least she's an elected official in Florida.
Speaker 1: I don't really know what unfortunately she is, but a
Speaker 1: black woman, not unlike that, you know, the snitch or
Speaker 1: you know whatever example we were using earlier. And we
Speaker 1: have her own video. We're not going to play that video,
Speaker 1: but we have her own video saying I thank God
Speaker 1: for slavery. I'm going to remind you one more time,
Speaker 1: this is a black woman, she says. Black woman in
Speaker 1: the South in the United States. Yeah, so she says,
Speaker 1: I thank God for slavery. I thank God for the
Speaker 1: crack house. Actually said that she was at a church,
Speaker 1: so hold on, let me repaint this picture. She's at
Speaker 1: a church with black people in the audience. Okay. And
Speaker 1: for those of you that have ever been to a
Speaker 1: black church, it's very much in the tradition of the
Speaker 1: call and response sort of engagement in more European based
Speaker 1: worship institutions. There is a minister. He talks to the crowd,
Speaker 1: the crowd listens, and then everyone goes home. At the end.
Speaker 1: At black churches, the minister says something the crowd. The
Speaker 1: congregation is very involved. Yes, the crowd responds, and you
Speaker 1: keep going, preacher, Let the Lord use your cadence. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's throughout the rhythm is there. Okay. If you've never
Speaker 1: been to a black church, please go. It is the
Speaker 1: best experience, even if you're not religious. It's just a
Speaker 1: good term. All right. She's in a black church saying,
Speaker 1: I thank God for slavery. I thank God for the
Speaker 1: crack house. If it wasn't for the crack house, come
Speaker 1: on somebody.
Speaker 2: Now, as you all know, the come on somebody is
Speaker 2: the minister trying to conjure up some support for the
Speaker 2: message that he or she is delivering that did not
Speaker 2: get the type of response he or she had anticipated.
Speaker 2: She said this to a dead silent audience, come on, somebody,
Speaker 2: And even with her come on somebody, cricket continue to
Speaker 2: get zero audible support from the congregation.
Speaker 1: So she says, come on, somebody. God wouldn't have never
Speaker 1: been able to use me how he can use me now?
Speaker 1: And if it wasn't for slavery, I might be somewhere
Speaker 1: in Africa worshiping a tree. Okay, So this goes to
Speaker 1: show you that it is possible. It is a human
Speaker 1: condition to be susceptible to the sauce. You can get
Speaker 1: lost in the sauce. It doesn't matter what color you are.
Speaker 1: White supremacy doesn't have to be perpetuated by white people. Right,
Speaker 1: here's a textbook example of that. And of course she
Speaker 1: gives white folks an out so they don't have to
Speaker 1: feel like it's a white versus black. I want to
Speaker 1: read this last thing before we move on. Conventions are
Speaker 1: canceling events in Florida. All of the major cities are
Speaker 1: affected by it. The state of Florida is suffering from
Speaker 1: the consequences of one man's political agenda to secure the
Speaker 1: White House. And he's actively falling behind and pulling and fundraising,
Speaker 1: And I want to read a Yahoo article headline DeSantis
Speaker 1: is planning on a campaign reboot as he struggles to
Speaker 1: close the gap with Trump. The poll numbers are stagnant,
Speaker 1: the finances are out of whack, and Mondesstance's viral GOP
Speaker 1: presidential care candidates are smelling blood in the water around
Speaker 1: the Florida governor and now